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Speaker 2: Today's episode will contain a spoiler free and a spoiler

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Speaker 2: laden conversation about Marvel's Fantastic Four. First steps were Hello,

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Speaker 2: my name is Jason Concepcion, and on Meersday Night, and

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Speaker 1: Say in today's episode, oh baby, It's finally here. Instant

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Speaker 1: reactions to Marvel's first family joining the see you and

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Speaker 1: this weekend this movie comes out, and guess what. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be at San Diego Comic Con where you can

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Speaker 1: come and find us talking about this movie and many

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Speaker 1: other things like Superman, our favorite comic books. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: for the whole time. Baby, let's live it up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but first Fantastic Four reactions spoiler free, first spoiler free,

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Speaker 2: and then we're gonna get into it a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a recap. Okay, Rosie, we have seen the Fantastic

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Speaker 2: four film. I got my little click viewer thing that

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Speaker 2: they handed out you Moss at the screen, my viewmaster.

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Speaker 2: I got my little card that they gave us, the

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Speaker 2: Future Foundation card. Did not see any read popcorn buckets,

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Speaker 2: but I've seen the film. You have seen the film.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on Fantastic four? Four steps non spoiler where not?

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Speaker 2: This is the non spoiler part of the discussion.

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Speaker 1: I was enticed early on. I personally, they make some

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Speaker 1: very interesting stylistic choices. I feel like the first forty

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Speaker 1: then I feel like as the movie went on, it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt you know, when you have Paedro Pascali

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Speaker 2: It felt a little bit like driving a sports car,

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Speaker 2: It's about them being a family and the way they

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Speaker 2: For the action, you always know that Marvel's going to

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Speaker 2: But contrasting the home life and the domestic life of

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Speaker 1: I think that that speaks to the biggest issue with

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Speaker 2: Were credited screenwriters. Five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a very complex, clearly processed, but I

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Speaker 1: But otherwise, and I'll have some funny things to say

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Speaker 2: bit off, strange, a little bit off, a little bit sterile.

433
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: And they're very clean. Everything all like too clean, and

434
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: and I almost want and you know, weird lighting where

435
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: you can't tell where where's the light coming from. Everything's lit,

436
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: but like where is everything's flat enough?

437
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: Everything's dark in space, and it's like, guys, we want

438
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: to see what's happening in space. In space, that's where

439
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: the Fantastic Four do best. And so they get back

440
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: to Earth. They are in a position where they say, hey,

441
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: what does Galactus want? Did you defeat him? No, we

442
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: didn't defeat him because he wants to take off this

443
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: creepy CGI baby, which again, selfish decision. I feel like

444
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,239
Speaker 1: Reid would have tried to talk let me stop there.

445
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: This here's a much more interesting here's a much more

446
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: interesting take to me. First of all, I would start

447
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: with the they just get maybe this is like Superman

448
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: biased now right, but like you just start in space

449
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: and they come home.

450
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: And then I gotta say, guys, Superman's looking is look

451
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: at tasty off to this mone.

452
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: Just just start right there. I do feel like, first

453
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: of all, to your point that Reid is done, why

454
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: are you telling everybody this right now? Just I hate

455
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: we just got back from space. We need to process

456
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: all the information that we just got back from space.

457
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: Here's the bottom line. Galactus is coming. We're going to

458
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: figure something. I'll talk to you about it later. You

459
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: don't have to go into oh, well we didn't defeat

460
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: collect this because he wanted our baby or he's going

461
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: to destroy the earth, and of course we didn't do it,

462
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: and then like why would you even tell you?

463
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: Would you tell them there?

464
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: And to me, it's much more interesting. There were moments.

465
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 2: There was a moment I forget the exact dialogue, right,

466
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: but there's a moment where Reid has like a crisis

467
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: of confidence in his own abilities and he's talking to

468
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: Sue and he's like, I'm not He says something like

469
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: I'm not good enough or it's my fault or you know,

470
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: and it led me to believe for a second like

471
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: that Reid had a secret, Like Reid knew something about

472
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: glack this, or about what the math said, or about

473
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: some way out of this, but it was too terrible

474
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: to ever contemplate, and he was keeping it secret from everybody.

475
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: That to me, is the more interesting read, the read

476
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: who like because he's so smart, he sees all these things,

477
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: but some of them are just so horrific that he's like, well,

478
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 2: how do I even say this to people? I know,

479
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 2: I'll try and solve it on my own so people

480
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: don't get scared. And that's how he gets in trouble

481
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: yep all the time in the comics because he tries

482
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: to go it alone because of how smart he is.

483
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: That never happened, and I found myself being like, Read,

484
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: why are you telling people this? And then why are

485
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: you so confused that everybody's like mad at you? Yeah,

486
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: it's much more interesting to me if the family tries

487
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: to keep it secret and then it comes out.

488
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: I think so too also as well. I think that

489
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: you make a great point because the reality is this

490
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: version of Read that we get in this is super sad.

491
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: He's like a Charlie Brown read and the moments that

492
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: made the most sense was when he was like, there's

493
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: something you know so terrible inside me. That's all I

494
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: do is just think of the worst possible scenario bro

495
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: that hit I have OCD. I do that like every

496
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: single day. It's literally like my whole life. And it

497
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: feels like it makes sense for this version of Reid,

498
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: who is a kind of sad sack, sorry Read. But

499
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: the thing that I didn't get is like this Read

500
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: is so intelligent. He's basically, along with his family, made

501
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: world peace and option on Earth. He's taught kids. He

502
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: understands everything that happens. But when it comes to kind

503
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: of using his brain in the moment when they're with Galactus,

504
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't understand why he didn't offer to like help

505
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: with Galactus's hunger. I feel like that would be something

506
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: that would interest instantly just intrigue Reed, like can I

507
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: make a Hadron collider that will somehow free him? Like Also,

508
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: something that we didn't mention in the recap is when

509
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: they meet Galactus. And this is very interesting and kind

510
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: of ties into a theory, a kind of cultural context

511
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: theory that I have right now about comics in general.

512
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: We hear that Galariason. Galactus wants Franklin is not because

513
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: he's like the most powerful being in the world and

514
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 1: he wants to utilize him to become some kind of

515
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: like super villain or anything. It is because they chose

516
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: to take from the really honestly like quite controversial Earth

517
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: X storyline by Jim Krueger and John Paul Leon with

518
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: obviously you know, very heavy influenced by Alex Ross. That

519
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: is the world where Franklin is Galactus, but that is

520
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: like a small mini series and they decided to pluck

521
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: from that that. The reason Galactus wants Franklin is because

522
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: he knows that Franklin will take on the Mantle and

523
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: allow him to be freed from his hunger. This is

524
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: like again, and this is not a critique of Superman,

525
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: which we really did enjoy, but James Gunn took the

526
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: hypno glasses explanation for Superman's glasses, which was very hated

527
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: at the time because Tom King had mentioned it in

528
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: a meeting. We are kind of getting to this really

529
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: interesting place where the comics that were supposed to change

530
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: the world and storytelling and shape the stories that kind

531
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: of generations would see are no longer the ones that

532
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: are shaping them. It's kind of these weirder, unexpected things.

533
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: So I thought that was a really odd pull, and

534
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: again kind of makes it way harder for the Fantastic

535
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: Four to argue that they shouldn't give up Franklin, like

536
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: there's I just feel like that choice is an odd

537
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: one and it sets us up for this kind of

538
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: action packed you know, second half of the movie where

539
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: some of the stuff, for example, something I will say

540
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: that looked better than in the trailers. I thought that

541
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: Julia gana Charli bal silver Surfer looked much better than

542
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: we'd seen her in the trailers. There was a little

543
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: bit more matt she felt a bit more whole, but

544
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: saying that there is a moment when she surfs through

545
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: lava pretty sick. But it looks like when Aladdin and

546
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: a Boo are on the rug in Aladdin in nineteen

547
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: ninety six or whenever, when they're flying on the thing

548
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: through lava. I was like, guys, how has the CG

549
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: not got better from one of the first times it

550
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: was ever used? Like they did not give people enough

551
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: time to work on this, and I felt like some

552
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: of the action and some of the CG just really

553
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: took me out of what the vibe of the movie

554
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: was kind of I think missing.

555
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: I think that listen, Superman had a shorter spin up time,

556
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: production time, and so much shuff looks great. I think

557
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: to me that it's clear to me that this movie

558
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: was cut, cut, cut, cut a million times, re edited, cut, reassembled.

559
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: It feels like a movie of a thousand cuts.

560
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that Marvel. I think Marvel has enough time.

561
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: I think the issue is they keep changing things, they

562
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: keep going back. That's a great way to put it. Actually,

563
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: they have enough time if they kind of lock their

564
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: movie in. For instance, Here's to me is a huge

565
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: tell to me that this movie was changed a lot. Uh. Franklin,

566
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: he's very powerful. Galactys can sense it. He's gonna be

567
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: Galactus's successor, Galactus hopes. Glactus says he's very powerful. Rita

568
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: is like, no, Scandamy's normal. He's like, that's because he's hiding.

569
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: He's hiding his true nature from you. Okay, why do

570
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: we never get even a single instance of Franklin doing

571
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: anything powerful except for till the end, right, he never

572
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: lifts anything. There's never anything, and you know there must

573
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: be stuff, but they probably cut it out. It's not

574
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: there anymore.

575
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna tell you why. This is my biggest

576
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: theory about this movie. And I think even though, like

577
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of feel almost like I'm on

578
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: drugs thinking about the fact that I've seen this movie, Guys,

579
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this movie since before existed. I

580
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: was in the comic shop ten eleven years ago, annoying

581
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: people talking about how they would get the Fantastic Four

582
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: into the MCU, to the point where it became like

583
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: a trope of my carrot so that my friends would

584
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: get annoyed about it. Feels so weird to have said

585
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: it and to have seen it, and to be sitting

586
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: here in it not be this kind of groundbreaking thing

587
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: that that's not the world we live in. We've had

588
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: so many superhero movies. I think the biggest issue with

589
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: this movie. I think the reason that we didn't see Franklin,

590
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: and I think something that Disney was probably incredibly aware

591
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: about is that to an entire generation of people, this

592
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: movie is going to seem derivative of The Incredibles, and

593
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: I think that is why they do not have Franklin

594
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: doing multiple powers, because it makes him seem too much

595
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: like Jack's because I was watching the movie. There is

596
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: a character. The end of the movie has a character

597
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: who drills into the ground, and that is very similar

598
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: to where we end up in the end of this

599
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: movie with more Man. Now, all of that is to say, guys,

600
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: the reason Pixar made The Incredibles is because Marvel did

601
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: not have the Fantastic Four rights, so they made an

602
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: animated you know, scratch the kind of license numbers off,

603
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: and you have some new version in The Incredibles. But

604
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: I actually think they got too into their own heads

605
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: and started worrying that it seemed too much like The Incredibles,

606
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: because yeah, we never see anything that Franklin does. The

607
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: only thing you get is at the end, which is crazy,

608
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: and also like I got we got to talk about

609
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: that because it's insane. But like, also, the thing that

610
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: they decided to do was to seeg his face to

611
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: try and make him seem emotionally intelligent, which, by the way,

612
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: is what happens in fucking Twilight. That's why they see

613
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: g the baby's face, because she is emotionally intelligent and

614
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: constantly growing. So I think they wanted to show it

615
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: that way, but it was not hitting visually, and then

616
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: you end up in a situation where I feel like

617
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: as we like, the next part of the recap is

618
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: essentially Galactus comes to Earth and they come up with

619
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: a plan, which, by the way, bad plan. Let's talk

620
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: about the plan.

621
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: I mean it's very much like a like a three

622
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: body problem type plan where the future foundation and well,

623
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: first of all, everybody gets mad at Sue and then

624
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: the family because they're this is what they're doing. They're

625
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: choosing their child over you know, six billion people on Earth,

626
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: and you people start protesting. Let's they start saying, like

627
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: I have a family too. Sue goes out with the

628
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: baby and basically talks everybody down. Gives this big speech

629
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: about how she's not going to sacrifice her baby for Earth,

630
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: but she's not going to sacrifice Earth either, that they're

631
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: going to save Earth, and it works. I don't think

632
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: like I would have been sold by it, but everybody

633
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: definitely buys it. In the movie, I was like, I'm

634
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: not your family.

635
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm not living in the back like where am I

636
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: living in this retrofuturistic world? But everyone else lives in

637
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: like Brownstones. We never see anyone's like quality of life.

638
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: We just see like a school in a synegogue with

639
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: some kids, which is like cute, you know, but I

640
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: don't feel like we know, I wouldn't buy everybody buys it.

641
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: And then kind of Sue says something thing that makes

642
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: Read realize, Oh, the teleporter that I was working on,

643
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: I can just scale it up and we can teleport

644
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: the entire planet out of Galactus's way.

645
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: Okay, cool plan, cool plan.

646
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: While that's happening, Johnny is breaking down the space messages

647
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: using his understanding of Shahla Baal's language because he had

648
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: gotten one kind of like translated snippet. She had told

649
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: him what the one thing that she had said to

650
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: him meant, so he was able to like back engineer

651
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: the rest of the right clever.

652
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: Behavior more of a read behavior in my opinion. But

653
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I love that Johnny want to go for it, live

654
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: it up man. Maybe he's the cleverest.

655
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: Well, they had to give him something because Johnny's usual

656
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: thing is like, I fuck but it's a Disney movie,

657
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: so that I can't fuck it.

658
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, pause, let's talk about this momentarily. I know

659
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: we will dig into it more in our roundtable, which

660
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: it produces are chomping at the bit to get to

661
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: after our I was gonna say, I was gonna say, okay, okay, yeah,

662
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: let's start to break and then we'll come back and

663
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: talk about the sexless, fantastic pour and we're back.

664
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Speaker 2: Okay, Rosie, what were you gonna say?

665
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: Basically, all I was gonna say is in relation to

666
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: this thing, like, yeah, Johnny wants to have sex with

667
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: this off surfer. It's very fun, but it doesn't feel

668
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: like they have had sex and in a movie where

669
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: there is a baby, even though I do believe from

670
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: like the very early interactions between them that this version

671
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: of readings who have fucked the movie is generally like

672
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: very sterile, very sexless. It doesn't feel like Johnny is

673
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: kind of a guy who's going out being a lothario.

674
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: It more feels like he's got a crush on an

675
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: untouchable space lady because then he actually will never have

676
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: to commit to it. Even the Ben relationship, which spoiler, guys,

677
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: there is no Alisha Masters here. We don't get a

678
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: beautiful blind girlfriend. Instead, we get a new character, natash Leone.

679
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: She plays a character. I believe her name is like

680
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Rachel Rosaman. I think The reason that they did that

681
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: is because as that relationship continues, they will probably end

682
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: up calling her Ros, which was Jack Kirby's wife's name.

683
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: And I think again it's another allusion to how much

684
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: Kirby made the Fantastic Four. He was the creator of Galactus,

685
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean co creator of Galactus, creator of Silver Surfer.

686
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: He did that without Stan's knowledge. Stan was not a fan,

687
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: ended up becoming obviously an iconic character. And I love

688
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: like we even get a moment when kind of all

689
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: this destruction is going on and there's a fight. We

690
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: see two guys inside Timely Comics, which is what Marvel

691
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: was called back in the day, and they're they're looking

692
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: out drawing, and it's obviously meant to be Jack and Stan.

693
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: I love all those little twists, but again Ben needs

694
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: to have a Leisha in my opinion, Hey, he can

695
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: maybe have this Ros version, but even then it's very

696
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: un sexualized, unadult. It's very like, hey, I have a

697
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: crush on you. I'm gonna come to your space. It's

698
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: a weird choice because I feel like with Pedro, with

699
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: Vanessa Kirby characters actors who have both shown how like

700
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: sexy and sultry and interesting they could be. I feel

701
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: like the sterile nature of it is a strange choice. Hey,

702
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: I don't get it, especially yeah, say yeah, I.

703
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, especially coming off of Superman, where Lois

704
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: and Clark are making out like all the time.

705
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: And also obviously fuck no. But this is the this

706
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: is the problem that I think Marvel is going to

707
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: find itself in. Superman was the underdog. I don't necessarily

708
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: know that should have been the case, because I think

709
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: our perception of what Superman is often writes out the

710
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: fact that Superman's logo itself is a cultural icon. It

711
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: has a lot of connections around the world, it has

712
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: connections here. I think people love it. I think they

713
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: want hope. But I don't think there was any world

714
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: where Marvel thought that Fantastic Four would be the not

715
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: as good movie, which is why it's placed afterwards. I

716
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: think they thought they had it in the bag with this,

717
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: but I think that that is clearly not the case,

718
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: and it's hard not to compare. I was doing a

719
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: straw pole just asking people, Hey, what did you like

720
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: more Superman or Fantastic Four? After I watched this movie.

721
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: I was asking critics I knew. I was asking families,

722
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: and every single person said they thought Superman was a

723
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: better movie, which I thought was kind of crazy.

724
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: So they come up with this planet to teleport the

725
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: entire Earth out of Galactus's path to some star system

726
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 2: that's very similar, but the Silver Surfer destroys all the

727
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: teleport nodes. They basically like turn Earth. They put it

728
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: on like this huge, like austerity construction project where it's

729
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: like everybody has to reaction.

730
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: Very World War two, like you have to turn the

731
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: lights off, yes, yeah, and they together to do it.

732
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: But also like if you if you lived in that Earth,

733
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't you be pissed? And the Fantastic Four because like,

734
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: why are we doing all of this for your baby?

735
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: Like just give him the fucking baby? Why did they

736
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: make it a choice like that? I think it immediately

737
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: causes issues with the heroic nature of The Fantastic Four,

738
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: And also like I believe that Reid would be so

739
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: intrigued by a character and a creature like Galactus that

740
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: he would be trying to do something other than just

741
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: like let's move us away. They're moving the Earth. Insane plan,

742
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: But I like how much of a big swing is

743
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: That's a great kind of insane read plan, like that's

744
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: the kind of shit he should be doing, even though

745
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: it's crazy.

746
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: But that doesn't work because the Silver Surfer blows up

747
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: all the teleportation device, leaving only the one in Times Square.

748
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: What do we do with new plan? We lure Galactis

749
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: to the teleporter using Franklin, and then we teleport Galactus

750
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: to some other part of the universe and we don't

751
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: care where. He'll just he'll be without his ship and

752
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: he'll just be done. And then Sue is like, well,

753
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: but you know all these people live around here, what

754
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: do we do? Okay, we evacuate everybody to Subterranea. We

755
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: patch things up with Harvey the Moleman, and we say, hey, Harvey,

756
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: can can eight million people come live with you while

757
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: we're fighting Glactus? And Harvey agrees.

758
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: I Also, I just want to say, I actually think

759
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: that one of the weirdest things about this movie that

760
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: I can't wait to read about is like they clearly

761
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: went very in on Subterranea, but it is like a

762
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: minor point but noe pun intended because it's underground, but

763
00:42:55,120 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: also like it's like a very whole place. They go

764
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: down there and it feels like there was probably something else.

765
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: Also again weird for it to be humans. Is no

766
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: one talking about how while the Fantastic Four have made

767
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: this beauty retro futuristic paradise above, there's all these people

768
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: living in poverty below. I want to know more about that,

769
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: which you can learn in the New Fantastic Four First

770
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Steps prequel comic by Matt Atchin. But then again I didn't.

771
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: I love it, like the reasoning, but I thought that

772
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: was very funny that they were just like, hey, go

773
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: live underneath here in this fully formed world that we

774
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: have never touched on at any point really apart from

775
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: the opening credits. Wild choice. But it's good. It works.

776
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: It's huge.

777
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: Swings comes down, he comes out of his ship to

778
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: go get Franklin. They do this fast switch a rule.

779
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: By the way, this is my worst part where I'm like, read,

780
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: you are dumb, Like you thought you could just switch

781
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: out the bacinet, just leave the baby. Why did you

782
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: even make the bacinet like a bomb proof bascinet If

783
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: you're not gonna leave it there, you think Galactus isn't

784
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: gonna notice there's just an empty baby Like that is

785
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: some stupid last minute planning, and I not believe that

786
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: the smartest man in this world or you know, one

787
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: of the smartest men in the universe, this was his

788
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: best plan. Was just like switch it out, like come on,

789
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: my guy, like.

790
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 2: Who wrote that, Like think of a bad plad please,

791
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: So Galactus doesn't He's not gonna step in the thing,

792
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: and then he's rescans. He sees where they hid Franklin.

793
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: He goes for him. Sue flips out and is like,

794
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: now I'm going to push you all the way back

795
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: into the teleporter. She uses like she marshals like all

796
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: her strength. She's using a titanic amount of power. She's

797
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: pushing Galactus like two blocks back towards this thing. Reid

798
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: goes up, gets the baby, They get Galactus in the teleporter,

799
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: they hit it. He's going through and then he starts

800
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: to climb back out jump scare. Johnny is like, I'm

801
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: gonna be the one. I'm gonna sacrifice myself to get

802
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 2: Galactus all the way through. But then, because we know

803
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: that Shala Bald doesn't really want to be Galactus as

804
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: herald and only did it to sacrifice herself so that

805
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: her planet can live, she does it. Everything's fine, but

806
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: Sue is dead. But then and you saw it. I

807
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: saw it coming a mile away.

808
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: He come out too. It's really funny, like they have

809
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: her dead on the floor. Also, this is another issue,

810
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: I think, and I think it goes back to them

811
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: not knowing how to represent their powers working together on screen.

812
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: They also don't really, like I guess, conceptually explain or

813
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: get like how their powers work in my opinion, like

814
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if Sue just like kills herself because

815
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: she uses her invisible powers as a shield. Like no,

816
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: but don't worry, guys, because I got crazy Sue. Take that.

817
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put on that round table and you're gonna love.

818
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: It as it just does an aside I think, you know,

819
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: in the comics who Is, her powers are often depicted

820
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: as like her creating these kind of shapes like cylinders

821
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: and rods and balls and stuff of her force shield,

822
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 2: and she's able to use those kind of like cylinders

823
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: to push people or to trap that like hard light.

824
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: Or something like that kind of And.

825
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: So I thought that while I did like the crystalline

826
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 2: kind of prismatic look of her force fields, I also

827
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: thought that they should have been bent around a concrete

828
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: sheep that she.

829
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: Was making that. I think that would have been a

830
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: really cool visual. Also, I was cracking up because like

831
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: the one thing that they must have been like they

832
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: were like throughout this we bat have, we bat have

833
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: Sue Storm doing some Jack Cuby for shortening dude man

834
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: that Lee were sitting next to each other and we

835
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: were just like every single time she came on screen

836
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: with just like like she's doing it. She's like she's

837
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: pushing back. It's a coal view, but like, let's have

838
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of difference, guys, let's shake it up

839
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: a little bit.

840
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: So she's dead. Then Franklin uses what you know his

841
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 2: reality warping powers or whatever to bring her back to life.

842
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: She comes back to life. Her eyes are like cosmic.

843
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: She has the kind of power cosmic inside her.

844
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: It seems like, and everything's fine. We go back to

845
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: the TV show format. They're going to do this big

846
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: hit on Ted's TV show where they talk about everything

847
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: that's happened in the last few months and years. But

848
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: then they get an alert and so they have to

849
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: fly out. We don't even know what, we don't know where.

850
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: They go again. I think make it more fun show

851
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: a tease of a different villain or something.

852
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: You know, we get this great bit that should have

853
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: been in the beginning or middle of the movie where

854
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: Reid and Johnny and Ben are like all arguing about

855
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 2: how to put the baby seat in the fantastic.

856
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: Very funny, very good stuff, like in.

857
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 2: The middle of the movie somewhere not at the very end.

858
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: Let's go to listen to some messages from our sponsors

859
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: and then we'll be right back to talk more than

860
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: because the full.

861
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: And we're back, and then the movie ends, and then

862
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: you get the first stinger, which is doctor Doom showing

863
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: up at the Baxter Building Franklin now four years old.

864
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but which, by the way, like four year time

865
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: jump randomly not I think that was I know they

866
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: want to age up that baby, but like that was

867
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: very random. And also, okay, Jason, most important question, which

868
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: member of the crew of Fantastic four is the real

869
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: first appearance of doctor Doom? Because you know that was

870
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: not Robert Downing Junior? No, like which pa or eight?

871
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: What first ad was it like? And also maybe or

872
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: something I imagine that that would actually be amazing. I mean,

873
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: this does follow a trend because of course we know

874
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: that you know. Danos was originally played by a different actor,

875
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: Damien Poiitier, and then was replaced by Josh Brolin. But

876
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: for me, as somebody who's number one Dr Doom fan,

877
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 1: this did not hit I thought it was very mid

878
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: I did not like the way the cloak looked. I

879
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: did not like the mask, which was like shiny. I

880
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: also don't know why he's there looking at Franklin like

881
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: he wants Franklin to be Galactus, Like it doesn't even

882
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: make sense with what we know of Franklin's powers. Also,

883
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: biggest issue with this movie that this Stinger sums up

884
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: is I don't think you can make a good Fantastic

885
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: Four story without Doctor Doom being a part of it.

886
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the biggest issues of this f.

887
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: It also made me. It also left me feeling that

888
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: we're never gonna get Valaria. I think it's going to

889
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: be Evil Area and Doomsday slash Secret War is going

890
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: to be Doom harnessing Franklin's power.

891
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely to become And I do also think that the

892
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 1: movie brings us to a situation where we can assume

893
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: that Reid is probably going to become the Maker, which

894
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: is another big part of that Jason Aarron Asadribic Secret Wars,

895
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: which we think is probably what they're basing a lot

896
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: of this on, because I do think that doing such

897
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: a drab, sad, kind of like everything is weighing on him.

898
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: Read is definitely the kind of Read who can become evil,

899
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: can become a super villain, can become disconnected from his family.

900
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: But I think the reason that hits so much is

901
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: because usually he's so connected. Here, we didn't necessarily, you know,

902
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: get that, and then we get a secondary stinger, which personally,

903
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: for me, I thought was quite rude, which is it's

904
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: like it's like a it's kind of just a cartoon

905
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: version of The Fantastic Four, and they're kind of you're

906
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: watching it like you're on TV, and then Herbie's hand

907
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: turns it off. But the weirdest thing about it is

908
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: they made a new song, which is, you know, fine,

909
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: I can't even remember it, but I love Michael Giaccino.

910
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: I think otherwise the score is very good. I love

911
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: how much Funny was having with it. He was in

912
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: his Danny Elfman bag for a little bit when it

913
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: started snowing. But also, can I just say met an

914
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: incredible another podcast produced called Jade Last Night, and we

915
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: were both The reason we met is because we were

916
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: outside when that Danny. We were outside the theater talking

917
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: about that moment when the Danny Elfman style soundtrack is

918
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: coming in. Sue's walking in an empty New York because

919
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: everyone's in Subterranea. She didn't even put a fucking hat

920
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: on that baby, and we were both mad about it.

921
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: We were like, white, take that baby outside, a baby like,

922
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: even wearing like a coat like, and we ended up

923
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: bonding over that sous storm not a good mum, but

924
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: the thing that I think again, it maybe sums up

925
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: what they don't get about the fandom. The movie The

926
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: Fantastic Four had a great, great cartoon. You don't have

927
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: to show that exact cartoon. I get you wanted to

928
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: do the kind of old school like Johnny quest Mouth

929
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: Badly Moving Up. But that song also has one of

930
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: the most iconic theme tunes of all time by Giorgio Moroda.

931
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: They were hit by cosmic yes, and I feel it's

932
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: like a disco track. I feel like they sort of

933
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: want to They wanted to make it something people could

934
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: accessibly jump into, but they also kind of took away

935
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff that has made the Fantastic

936
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: Four special made them stay relevant for a long time,

937
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: which I think, again, sorry to compare, is kind of

938
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: something that James Gunn succeeded at, which is keeping the

939
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: core of Superman and who he is at the heart

940
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: of the movie while doing a lot of different stuff

941
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: around it to kind of open it up. But yeah,

942
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: this is this was a hard one. I thought it was.

943
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: I was hoping it was going to be like better

944
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: or more consistent, consistent.

945
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: I came away feeling like Disney is just kind of scared.

946
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: It was such a play.

947
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: It feels so so played safe, to the point where

948
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: even the idea of like you have to choose one

949
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: member of your family or the whole world, it's been

950
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: done so many times.

951
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: But they don't even dive into like what the societal

952
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: of Like there's no exploration about how people would turn

953
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: on the there's you know, a turn on the Fantastic before,

954
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: and even when they do do that, it's so brief.

955
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: Then Sue's able to just explain it away with this

956
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: speech in front of like fifty people, Like the whole

957
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: world feels like this, and there's just many things like

958
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: this where it felt like that the movie was cut

959
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: and changed and moved around a million different ways to

960
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: just make the safest version of this movie. And I

961
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: think it's unfortunate it just came away. It's not a

962
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 2: bad movie by any means, but it certainly I came

963
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 2: away feeling like it just felt a little. It felt inert,

964
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: It felt like a It felt like reading a Wikipedia

965
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: summary of a movie, and you don't get any of

966
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: the emotional depth or the kind of passions that these

967
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: characters have for each other. I wanted more family moments,

968
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: whether it was whether it was arguments, whether it was

969
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: you know, that scene with the bassinette that there's a

970
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: million different things that they could have done. They needed

971
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 2: like these you know, forgive the reference, but these Tarantino

972
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: like scenes where it's just characters around a dinner table,

973
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, shooting the shit, and you need more of

974
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: that instead, it's you know, two characters together, these two,

975
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 2: and now these two and now these two. You needed

976
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: them all on screen more to develop that feeling of emotion,

977
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: like for instance, here's here's what was I don't know

978
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: what really anybody's other than the baby saving the baby

979
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 2: which happens thirty five minutes into the movie. I don't

980
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: know when anybody when any of these characters really want

981
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: or what their motivation really is at any given time.

982
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: Even then, like his motivation is usually to be changed back.

983
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: And I love the idea that he's at least slightly

984
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: comfortable and we don't have to do that. Oh he's

985
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: a monster, blah blah blah. But like what does he want?

986
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: Like does he want human companionship? Like is that way

987
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: he's seeking out? You know, Rachel Roussmann is. I didn't

988
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: get it on really any I think Johnny like he

989
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: wants to be respected by reading Sue, and I think

990
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: that was an interesting kind of take, But that was

991
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: something I was definitely reading into from what happened in

992
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: the movie. They don't really dig into it. Yeah, And

993
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: also like no one really gives him credit for the

994
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: fact that he is the one who saves the day,

995
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: and the way that he saves the day is by

996
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: communicating with someone and finding a shared language. I think

997
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: that's very interesting. Didn't dig into it. What does Sue

998
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 1: like to do apart from have a baby and put

999
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't out in the cold with no hat on

1000
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: with no jacket on, having a creepy twilight. Reneesme, baby,

1001
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1002
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: And finally, like you know, Reid opens the movie in

1003
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: the kind of you know, newsreel clip where he's explaining

1004
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: how they got their powers and what happened. Reid says, well,

1005
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: I assembled the greatest science team. They also have it

1006
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: in me, my friends and family. Yeah, and yet I

1007
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: come up, if you're gonna say that, because that's not

1008
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: the that's not really the original fantastic for Ben Gram's

1009
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: a great pilot. But Reid is just like it's just nepotism,

1010
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 2: Like he.

1011
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: Wants to hang out, wants to hang out with them.

1012
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: He loves his wife, and his wife has this like

1013
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 2: hot shot high school brother that it's better to keep

1014
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: him in the tent where he can like make less

1015
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 2: trouble than outside of it. Right, Yeah, exactly, if you're

1016
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 2: gonna say, well, these they have these incredibly specialized skills,

1017
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: what are they like? I don't know what Johnny does,

1018
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what his what is his specialty? What

1019
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: is Sue's specialty? You know? And so I thought that

1020
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: was another thing where you needed to say why these

1021
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: are Actually it's not just you picked your family and

1022
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 2: friends to go on this mission with you. It's and

1023
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 2: it's not just well, they have these powers. Also, it's

1024
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 2: here's why they are actually, Like what are the people

1025
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 2: for this? What do they do? What does Johnny do

1026
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: we get?

1027
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: I feel like we do get a tease of it

1028
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: with Sue being good at like negotiating, She's kind of

1029
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: the face of the Fantastic I thought that was an

1030
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: interesting twist. I want to know what her specialty in

1031
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: science is. You know, it's not like, for example, when

1032
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: I spoke to James Gunn for DC dot Com about

1033
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Superman and Lois Lane, he had this whole kind of

1034
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: I was talking about why journalism was so important and

1035
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: speaking to him and Rachel Brosenhan, it was so clear

1036
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: that they'd spoken to investigative journalists. Lois even has a

1037
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: specialty which is kind of corporation reporting, and that comes

1038
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: in a little bit. But it's going to be explored

1039
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: more in other spaces. I don't know what is going

1040
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: to happen in another Fantastic Four movie. I don't know

1041
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: why they would pick Read to lead the Avengers. I

1042
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: don't know why if they did come to our world,

1043
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: people would have any more reaction to them than any

1044
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: of the Avengers that we've already had. And also, you know,

1045
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: and I was complaining that they were connecting it to thunderbolts,

1046
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: that connection does not become immediately clear. My theory is

1047
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: that when they were trying to first escape Galactus and

1048
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: the Silver Surfer, we see them kind of pop through

1049
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: different spaces and different kind of with a FTL drive,

1050
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: they kind of go faster than light, and they go

1051
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: through these different sections of space. My guess is like,

1052
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: probably the it would be very easy to say, oh,

1053
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: the Fantastic Ship was, you know, in their universe for

1054
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: a minute, But then why do it?

1055
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 2: Like I feel like my I mean commit, I think

1056
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: that it's a different ship.

1057
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: But that's even crazier to me though, because they can't commit.

1058
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: Why not commit to that if you want to connect it,

1059
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: connect it? Otherwise why do the ts?

1060
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: I just think it's a much I thought they were

1061
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: going to do something darker and much more interesting, which

1062
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: is the Fantastic Four try to fight Galactus, but then

1063
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: they failed. Galactus eats the Earth, so they flee with

1064
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: Franklin and they end up on this earth. I think

1065
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: that is much more interesting they tried to do it,

1066
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: and they've got murked and at the end of the day,

1067
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: they didn't choose their son overdy.

1068
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: Is it that like they essentially paved the way for

1069
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: that so much that every single person I talked to

1070
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: who came out was like it they didn't destroy the world.

1071
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: And I had been I had been a skeptic on

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Speaker 1: that because I do believe that it's very dark for

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Speaker 1: a Fantastic Four movie, But this movie was kind of

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Speaker 1: dark and depressing anyway, So why not commit again not committing,

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Speaker 1: not committing? Maybe that didn't play well. Also, I have

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Speaker 1: to say I did think Alactus looked really cool, but

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Speaker 1: I felt like Ralph Enison is like wasted because he

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Speaker 1: doesn't really get to do anything in this it's so

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Speaker 1: cged over his face. Even his voice doesn't really sound

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Speaker 1: like he's that classic husky accented voice. So I just

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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, getting Julia Garner, who I literally

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Speaker 1: was lucky enough to just interview and watch in Weapons,

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Speaker 1: which is fucking incredible, the new Zach Kreger movie. Go

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Speaker 1: in with no knowledge of what happens, guys and Ralph

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Speaker 1: Ennison incredible. Thespian Pedro Pascal who we have seen in

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Speaker 1: everything and who we know can be dark and be

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Speaker 1: scary like he is in the Last of Us, which

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Speaker 1: is again why I think they cast him as read

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Speaker 1: because I think they want him to be the maker.

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Speaker 1: But we didn't really get to see any of those chops.

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Speaker 1: I feel like eBAM was the only one who's bringing

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Speaker 1: the same vibe that he brings in other movies to

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Speaker 1: this performance where you go, yeah, that's why you cast

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Speaker 1: this guy. Johnny Storm unexpected little fav for me, if

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about things that worked. I thought Joseph Quinn

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Speaker 1: was fantastic. I could see him in the MCU. I

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Speaker 1: kind of love that they made him into their kind

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Speaker 1: of like he's almost like one of the old school

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Speaker 1: like Rock Hudson, Heartthorpes, where they're actually secretly gay but

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Speaker 1: everybody loves them because they're really beautiful and well put

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Speaker 1: together and funny. But I don't you know, what I

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Speaker 1: think the sad thing is is that it very easily

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Speaker 1: could be that we never see these characters on screen

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Speaker 1: together again. And that is an insane thing to say,

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Speaker 1: but I think there is a world where we don't

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Speaker 1: ever really see like Franklin growing up or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: And the next time they said the Fantastic Four we'll

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Speaker 1: return in Doomsday, Well, guess what, They're probably gonna be

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Speaker 1: spread all over the world, or maybe it will just

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Speaker 1: be a cameo. It feels crazy to say, but this

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Speaker 1: movie does not feel like it's necessarily going to have

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Speaker 1: the impact on the MCU that it needs to to

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Speaker 1: keep that going. And I think that in the DC

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Speaker 1: Marvel movie space, I feel like DC is inching ahead

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Speaker 1: in a way that they haven't since the animated era.

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Speaker 2: I think that's right. I think they're a scenden right now.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: And I think they are coming out a lot more

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Speaker 2: confidently with the stuff they're delivering, whereas Marvel just feels timid. Now,

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Speaker 2: I will caveat that by saying I thought Thunderbolts was

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Speaker 2: as excellent and it was a big swing and was

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Speaker 2: a bit like had a really cool message.

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Speaker 1: Everyone I spoke to said they thought Thunderbolts was a

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Speaker 1: bad movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was with good characters that they really

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Speaker 2: explored their you know, their interior psychees and their emotional

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Speaker 2: makeups and the way they relate to it to each other.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a really, really well executed and

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Speaker 2: well done film.

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Speaker 1: And especially in hindsight, yes.

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Speaker 2: Especially in hindsight now the money wasn't necessarily there, but

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Speaker 2: that's a good one. So I want to acknowledge that,

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Speaker 2: like my disappointed in the Fantastic Four does not necessarily

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Speaker 2: extend to saying Marvel is kind of on an you know,

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Speaker 2: has not put out a good movie recently, because they

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Speaker 2: have that said, this was a big one to you know,

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Speaker 2: Fantasy four is huge. That's a huge one.

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Speaker 1: Even Thunderbolts I don't think has hit five hundred MILLI yet,

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Speaker 1: which obviously you can still make a great movie that

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Speaker 1: doesn't need to make that money. But Marvel used to

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Speaker 1: be the billion dollar like security, like you would know

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Speaker 1: if that movie came out it is going to make

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Speaker 1: a billion dollars, And I don't know if this movie

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Speaker 1: is going to open to more than Superman. We might

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Speaker 1: open to one hundred and twenty four mil, which I'll

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Speaker 1: take some guests like perfectly, what is your opening theory?

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Speaker 1: Because Marvel can open high and drop, That's what happened

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Speaker 1: with Quontomania. You know, Thunderbolts opened pretty well. But I'm

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Speaker 1: interested to know, like the reviews right now are looking

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Speaker 1: pretty good. So maybe it will open big in four,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know if it will open to one

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Speaker 1: hundred mil.

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Speaker 2: I think it will open to just over one hundred

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Speaker 2: with a steep drop. I think it goes like one

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Speaker 2: oh five okay, with a with a big drop off

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Speaker 2: week two.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Yeah, I think so too. I don't think

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Speaker 1: the word of mouth is going to be particularly good

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Speaker 1: on this movie. I think everyone's gonna be comparing it

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Speaker 1: to Superman. I'm interested to see what it's out of

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Speaker 1: cinema kind of cinema score is because I feel like

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Speaker 1: often movies that are a little bit more you know, depressing,

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Speaker 1: or a little bit more kind of like drab, don't

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Speaker 1: often do as well. It's why horror movies often kind

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Speaker 1: of don't work. I don't know that people are gonna

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Speaker 1: love the ending, because I think everyone had kind of ironically,

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Speaker 1: this is a classic thing with fan theories. I think

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Speaker 1: everyone had read into what Marvel was hinting at and

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Speaker 1: felt like they understood where the movie was gonna go.

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Speaker 1: I don't really know what earth to eight eight to

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Speaker 1: eight really like, what does it do now in the MCU?

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Speaker 1: Is it going to become completely Subterranea. Is that it

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Speaker 1: like it's I'm I'm intrigued to see where they go

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Speaker 1: and I love that they did so much good. Jack

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Speaker 1: Cuby kind of nods that was great, but like, also

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Speaker 1: like do it mate? How about you like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you guys have settled out of court as families getting

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Speaker 1: the money, the estates getting the money. Now, how about

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Speaker 1: you know pay or marched him by making a really

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Speaker 1: fantastic movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be good. I just felt a little

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Speaker 2: too stop playing it safe and just start.

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Speaker 1: Going do something weird, make a big swing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to do something weird and good. On the next

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Speaker 2: episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into the biggest news

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Speaker 2: from the floor of San Diego Comic Con. We will

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Speaker 2: be there. Check out our social media for the itinerary.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be all around see you there, and then

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Speaker 2: we will be delving into the Fantastic Four again with

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Speaker 2: our Fantastic Four roundtable. That's it for this episode. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for listening, farewell. X ray Vision is hosted by Jason

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Speaker 2: Concepcion and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 1: Are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Faye Wack.

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Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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