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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about with Roger Bailey.

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Speaker 3: Roger Bailey is one of a team of attorneys representing

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Speaker 3: thousands of Palisades residents who got burned out in the fire,

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Speaker 3: and they're starting to do depositions state Park Reps. They

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Speaker 3: have texts between State Park's personnel which indicates that the

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Speaker 3: original fire on January first, and then the Palisades fire

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Speaker 3: on the seventh both were in what is called well.

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Speaker 3: The January first fire created a fire periermitter and in

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Speaker 3: that fire perimeter was an avoidance area where they did

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Speaker 3: not want the plant life disrupted.

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Speaker 2: So when the La Fire Department went in.

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Speaker 3: With bulldozers to build some kind of fire line for

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Speaker 3: the first fire, that's when they got chased out by

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Speaker 3: the State Park Reps. And so the second fire started

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the avoidance area and this is

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Speaker 3: actually in the text. Let's get Roger Bailey on Roger.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well, John, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Every time you come on, I want to say, I

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Speaker 3: just don't believe this, but tell us you're now doing depositions.

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Speaker 3: Are these texts part of the document drop for the depositions?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Actually, I'm actually on the way back from a deposition

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Speaker 4: right now. We've got several of them scheduled over the

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Speaker 4: next several days. And the documents that we're getting for

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Speaker 4: the depositions include the text messages that you see and

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Speaker 4: the area of avoidance map that I sent over. You

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Speaker 4: may remember last time I was on, the state didn't

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Speaker 4: give us those maps, right, we knew where the Palisades

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Speaker 4: fire started, and we said, I wonder if the reason

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Speaker 4: they didn't give us those maps is because the Palisades

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Speaker 4: fire started in one of these areas that's off limits

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Speaker 4: to firefighters. And lo and behold, when we got the

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Speaker 4: that's right where the Palisades fire started.

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Speaker 2: Ray Lopez, my producer, just handed me.

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Speaker 3: A couple of the text Can I read them to

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Speaker 3: the audience, because I have not read these out loud.

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Speaker 3: I just got there and this is the night of

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Speaker 3: the first fire, January first, two, three am. And it says, Hi, Christy,

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Speaker 3: will be. I'm getting ready now. There is federal endangered

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Speaker 3: strake along timescal fire road. Would be nice to avoid

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Speaker 3: cutting it if possible. Do you have avoidance maps? I

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Speaker 3: have a couple of RIA ds on standby. I wait

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Speaker 3: to deploy them until you get unseen and assess the situation.

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Speaker 3: Definitely want to send them down if heavy equipment arrives.

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Speaker 3: And Christie rights back, well, yeah, Christy Wright's back, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'll let you know. So I guess she was the

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Speaker 3: state fire state parks representative that we know started getting

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Speaker 3: was being told to look at the avoidance map because

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Speaker 3: you've got this astragallus plant that has to be protected.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 4: That plan is also known as the milk vetch. That's it, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the milk vetch. So that maybe the name you know

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Speaker 4: more than the astra gallas, but it's the milk vetch.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah. That was identified by in the LA time stories.

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Speaker 3: Early on the milk basically right, Yes, that's right, got it,

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Speaker 3: This is all true.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So so these avoidance areas are designated by the

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Speaker 4: state park to protect, among other things, plant species, and

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Speaker 4: they make these maps available to the firefighters, and they

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Speaker 4: also have these r eads are called resource advisors, and

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Speaker 4: can't go. Can't just have the equipment over here. Their

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Speaker 3: So the fire department couldn't use the bulldozers to create

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Speaker 4: Break right there. The state's policy. Now remember once this

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Speaker 4: determined to be the Lockman fire, the January one fire.

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Speaker 4: Once that was determined to be burning on state land,

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Speaker 4: when they get there, their their job is to interact

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Speaker 4: so you know you've got And by the way, the

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Speaker 4: state park reps also saw smoldering, the smoke coming from

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Speaker 4: after the fire is declared contained. Smoke's coming out of

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Speaker 2: This just can't be.

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Speaker 3: And this is in the middle of the National Weather

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 4: We were told days before the Palisades fire that these

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Speaker 4: did happen. Atf confirmed the Palisades fire was a rekindling

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Speaker 4: of embers smoldering in the ground after the Lockman fire,

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Speaker 4: So we know it happened. And now we know that

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Speaker 4: the state had areas that it wouldn't allow the firefighters

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Speaker 4: to go with their heavy equipment to protect this milk

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Speaker 4: fetch plant. And that's exactly where the Palistaates fire starts.

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Speaker 3: What because I've talked with a number of people about this,

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Speaker 3: and they always say, well, why was the milk vetch

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Speaker 2: What do you know why they.

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Speaker 3: Were so bent on protecting this no matter how dangerous

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Speaker 4: I didn't know what a milk vetch was until this case,

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Speaker 4: but I've looked into it and it's an endangered plant species.

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Speaker 4: But from what I can tell, interestingly, it proliferates after wildfires.

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Speaker 2: God, so yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Look, I'll say I'm all for you know,

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Speaker 4: let's protect the environment, but you've got to balance in

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Speaker 4: the public safety. You've got houses right next to this

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Speaker 3: Is it reasonable for people to think that at the

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Speaker 4: Well that's one part of it. But here's the second part.

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Speaker 4: And I know we talked about this last time. The

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Speaker 4: State's own Operations Manual says, and I quote, where areas

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Speaker 4: and rectified any public safety issues. So even after the

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Speaker 4: LAF they leaves, assuming they had been able to do

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Speaker 4: everything they wanted to do, the State's owned Policy and

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Speaker 4: Operations Manual says, you need to be up there close

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Speaker 4: the park, and when you got smoke coming out of

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Speaker 4: the hills that your reps can see, you should be

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Speaker 4: up there and rectifying the public safety issues. So had

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Speaker 4: followed their own Operations manual, palistads, fire wouldn't have happened.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Oh, that's just so crazy.

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Speaker 4: It's stunning, And I mean it's stunning. Every day when

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Speaker 2: And you're only at the beginning of these depositions, right.

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Speaker 4: The first one was today, and we've got sixteen more

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Speaker 3: Can you hang on for a moment, You bet all right,

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Speaker 3: Roger Bailey, he's the one of the attorneys for the

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Speaker 3: thousands of Palisades homeowners who got burned out in the fire.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you're hearing this right.

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Speaker 3: In order to save the milkvetch plant, State Parks Department,

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Speaker 3: Department was prevented from doing the cleanup the next day.

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Speaker 3: The MAPA and bulldoze to create a fire break and

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Speaker 3: the whole bit. And the state was supposed to close

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Speaker 3: it too with CalFire.

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Speaker 2: And then this doesn't happen. Oh my god, this is

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Speaker 3: more with Roger Bailey, the attorney, along with others representing

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Speaker 3: thousands of Palaces residents. And the big bombshell today is

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Speaker 3: fire Roger, what else are you looking for as you

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Speaker 3: go through these depositions. I think you've got the milk

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Speaker 3: Vetch story here, or at least you know enough to

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Speaker 3: lead because I know as you get more testimony you're

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Speaker 4: Well, as I said before the break, the State's owned

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Speaker 4: Operations Manual has a section that requires It's not optional.

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Speaker 4: It requires closure of any area of the state park

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Speaker 4: that has burned, and it's to remain closed until state

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Speaker 4: park representatives have been up and inspected the property. The

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Speaker 4: confirmed it wasn't closed because you clearly had the Lockman

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Speaker 4: fire that burned to Panka State Park State park land.

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Speaker 4: Why was the park not closed? Number one?

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Speaker 1: Number two?

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Speaker 4: Why did the state not send its own inspectors up

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Speaker 4: there to check for the hotspots that were reported and

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Speaker 4: were videotaped by members of the public. You know, members

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Speaker 4: the Lockman fire, videoing smoldering embers and smoke coming out

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Speaker 3: They followed their own manual, right, and then send in firefighters,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well right, send anybody in. But first to you,

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Speaker 3: And who makes that decision to close the park and

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Speaker 4: It comes from somebody within the state, and from what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and newsome As first denied that the state had

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Speaker 4: Absolutely happy to do it all right.

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Speaker 3: Roger Bailey, one of the attorneys representing the thousands of

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Speaker 3: Means they didn't stamp out the remnants of the fire,

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Speaker 2: For the milkvetch plant. We're gonna talk to Royal Oaks.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next about that illegal alien a Brego Garcia,

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Speaker 3: now from ABC News. Abrego Garcia full name is Kilmar

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Speaker 3: a Brego Garcia.

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Speaker 2: That sounds familiar.

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Speaker 3: Also known as Maryland Man, also known as one of

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Speaker 3: He was sent to that supermax prison in El Salvador

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Speaker 2: By ice.

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Speaker 3: And now we've had a judge release him and he's

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Speaker 3: Let's get Royal oaksaw to see why he's been let out.

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Speaker 2: Uh, he could be a flight risk. You know, well,

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Speaker 2: how are you.

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Speaker 1: Fine? John?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean we've deported I don't know how many tens

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Speaker 3: I think we've deported like hundreds of thousands. Why was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very weird. It's because an Obama appointee federal

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was born in El Salvador, comes

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Speaker 1: but an immigration judge says, oh, no asylum. You know,

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Speaker 1: he'd be dangerous if he went back to El Salvador.

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Speaker 1: So then March of this year, Donald Trump's administration accidentally

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Speaker 1: deports him to El Sibador, who's administrative air, and so

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Speaker 1: him Liberia in Africa. His lawyer says, oh no, it isn't.

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Speaker 1: The Liberia Costa Rica is just fine. So they fuss

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Speaker 1: over that. But but now the judge says he's out,

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Speaker 1: there's no valid basis to detain it.

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Speaker 3: Well, are they going to keep track of him until

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Speaker 2: Otherwise he's going to disappear.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And in that way, John, he's just

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Speaker 1: We all have jails to lock them up. Instead, we

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Speaker 1: So you're right, there's a possibility of a flight risk.

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Speaker 1: And he's got these human smuggling charges, as you say

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Speaker 3: I've never seen a guy with more. He's had like

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Speaker 2: Or get rid of them, he keeps bouncing back.

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Speaker 1: No, that's right. For some reason, he has a lot

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Speaker 3: We would all choose, we would all choose Costa Rica

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Speaker 1: So I think, especially if he's a surfer.

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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, you know the Trump administration is free now

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's just saying, you know, I'm staying here. I'm

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Speaker 1: want to be held by ice. But it's just another

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Speaker 1: you know, when they're claiming asylum. Every time they do,

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Speaker 1: send somebody back and have been portrayed and killed by

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Speaker 1: the political opponents that they had in those countries. But

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Speaker 3: They found evidence that he was driving a vehicle filled

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Speaker 3: taking him to the East coast and like eight guys

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Speaker 2: And that's the nature of the charges.

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Speaker 1: Exactly right. And he could be looking at years behind

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Speaker 1: bars for doing that because it's not just being in

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Speaker 1: that raises the question, you know, why wouldn't the judge

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Speaker 1: consider him to be at flight risk because he obviously

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Speaker 1: but he also doesn't want to go to prison for

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Speaker 1: human smuggling. So it's like cap dancing and molasses. When

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Speaker 1: you try to get rid of people who are here illegally,

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Speaker 1: but who are willing to go to court, lawyer up

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Speaker 1: why it would be unfair for them to be sent

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Speaker 1: out of the country.

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Speaker 2: Royl looks, thank you for coming on again.

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Speaker 1: You bet, thanks.

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Speaker 3: John Royal looks ABC News Legal analyst coming up next segment, Well,

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Speaker 3: we got another congressional cruk. We got Alexandria Ocassio Cortes

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Speaker 2: You've all heard of her.

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Speaker 3: New York Post has a story that she has spent

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Speaker 3: almost fifty thousand dollars on hotels and meals in Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 3: and apparently it's her campaign money. She's just like everybody else.

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Speaker 3: This is why they run for office. This is why

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Speaker 3: they want to stay in office. It's because they give

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Speaker 3: They get to live a life that they never would

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Speaker 3: have lived if they had to earn money based on

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Speaker 3: their own intelligence and talents. But if you can fool voters,

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Speaker 3: then you've got a gold mine you can tap into.

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Speaker 3: So we'll we'll talk about her coming up, and then

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Speaker 3: at three o'clock, Oh god goodness, this is really a

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Speaker 3: big deal too, and it's related to the fire. We're

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Speaker 3: going to have David Goldbluemon. David has a documentary called

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Speaker 3: Big Rock Burning, exploring what happened in Malibu in the

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Speaker 3: Big Rock community as they've been trying to rebuild. And

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Speaker 3: you know, we told you about the new revelations in

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Speaker 3: the Palace, the Palistates fire, you know, bird a chunk

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Speaker 3: of Malibu as well, and these new res relevation revelations.

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Speaker 3: Now about these text messages, the State Parks reps were

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Speaker 3: basically saying, well, we can't have the LA Fire Department

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Speaker 3: cleaning up, mopping up the day after the fire because

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Speaker 3: the milk vetch plant is going to be endangered by

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Speaker 3: the bulldozers.

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Speaker 2: Big day on the fire front.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM

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Speaker 5: six forty.

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Speaker 3: We are plagued by so many fakes and phonies and

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Speaker 3: frauds in public life.

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Speaker 2: That's it's overwhelmed. I'm overwhelmed. Today.

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Speaker 3: We've had so many insane stories. I feel like, personally

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Speaker 3: I'm insane. Not that I'm going insane, I feel like

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Speaker 3: I'm insane. Talk more about that. Next hour, three o'clock,

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Speaker 3: right after Brigita's news, we're going to have the director

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Speaker 3: David Goldbloom. He has a documentary, Big Rock Burning, which

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Speaker 3: I watched this week, and it's about how the fire

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Speaker 3: affected the Big Rock community in Malibu, right next door

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Speaker 3: to the Palisades, same fire. It's very powerful emotionally, Big

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Speaker 3: Rock Burning, And we're going to talk with David Goldbloom

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Speaker 3: coming up right after the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, we know about the.

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Speaker 3: About the fake, fraudulent phoniness of Gavin Newsom. Here's another one,

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Speaker 3: Alexandria Ocassio Cortez. She is the favorite by far among

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Speaker 3: pressive because she's always going after rich people. She was

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Speaker 3: touring with Bernie Sanders all over the country, drawing crowds

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Speaker 3: of tens of thousands of people, going after the oligarchy.

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Speaker 3: She wore a dress to the met remember the met

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Speaker 3: gala in New York City, and the dress was a

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Speaker 3: white one with what looked like red spray paint on

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Speaker 3: it graffiti that said tax the rich.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's her stick, that's her act.

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Speaker 3: Rich people are bad, wealthy or bad, taxes have to

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Speaker 3: be raised on them. Alexandri Cassia Cortes, like all politicians

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Speaker 3: have a have a political action committee and a political

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Speaker 3: campaign account and apparently you can spend money on almost

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Speaker 3: anything when you have a campaign account. And the deal is,

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Speaker 3: obviously they get donations and then they have to provide

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Speaker 3: some kind of service for the donors, right, some kind

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Speaker 3: of vote, some kind of bill has to be pushed, right,

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Speaker 3: or something has to be blocked. You know, even if

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Speaker 3: you could work a few lines into an amendment in

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Speaker 3: some massive bill that nobody reads, that's what she get

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Speaker 3: paid for, Okay, Basically, most politicians are prostitutes. That's their purpose.

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Speaker 3: So AOC takes in plenty of money down The New

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Speaker 3: York part says that she spent fifty thousand dollars on

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Speaker 3: hotels and meals in Puerto Rico third quarter of this year.

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Speaker 3: She also rented out some venue in San Juan, and

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Speaker 3: she was caught dancing at an August Bad Buddy concert.

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Speaker 2: The committee spent six.

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Speaker 3: Hundred and eighty dollars so she can stay at the

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Speaker 3: hotel Palatio.

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Speaker 2: One night.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen hundred and seven dollars on August to twenty ninth,

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Speaker 3: nine thousand, four hundred and forty dollars on September twenty ninth.

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Speaker 3: By the way, while she was in Puerto Rico, she

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Speaker 3: was complaining on social media about gentrification. You know that

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Speaker 3: that poor people were being shoved out by wealthier people

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Speaker 3: in some neighborhoods.

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Speaker 2: So she actually spent.

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Speaker 3: Almost twelve thousand dollars on hotels between two month period

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Speaker 3: between July and September and Puerto Rico. I guess she's

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Speaker 3: going down there constantly and she drops all the campaign money.

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Speaker 3: The Palatio Provincial Hotel is described as first class adults

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Speaker 3: only situated within a historic early nineteenth century building with

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Speaker 3: transented hints of the grand colonial past. Ten thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: spent on meals and catering services on August twenty fifth

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Speaker 3: and September twenty ninth.

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Speaker 2: This is according to federal filings.

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Speaker 3: She was dancing at a Bad Bunny concert Oliver Hidago.

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Speaker 3: Wallabin told Fox News that she regularly travels to Puerto Rico,

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Speaker 3: AOC to support local causes and host events that require

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Speaker 3: staff and security. August twenty fifth, AOC paid thirty eight

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars to Hotel El Convento. Total, her campaign paid

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Speaker 3: fifteen four hundred and eighty nine dollars for hotels in

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Speaker 3: Puerto Rico during the quarter July first to September thirtieth.

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Speaker 3: She spent thousands of dollars more on other boutique hotel

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Speaker 3: stays on the US mainland, sixty six hundred dollars to

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Speaker 3: stay at a hotel in the Hotel Vermont in Burlington,

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Speaker 3: two thousand dollars at the Thompson Central Park Hotel in Manhattan,

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Speaker 3: three thousand dollars stay at the Arlow Williamsburg in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: She's from New York.

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Speaker 3: Look at the expensive hotel she's staying at the in

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Speaker 3: her own city. Sixty three hundred dollars spent on a

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Speaker 3: meal at an Italian restaurant called Ama, eleven thousand for

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Speaker 3: dining in DC, Vermont, Bronx and Bronx and Latham, New York.

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Speaker 2: She is a complete fraud.

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Speaker 3: They get in the business to enjoy the high life.

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Speaker 3: That's what it is to live a rich life. And

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Speaker 3: their stick is to complain about rich people. And so

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Speaker 3: many boobs in this country fall for it, So many

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Speaker 3: soft minded morons fall for this nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Look, if it's.

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Speaker 3: Legal, you want to builk your donors, this is the

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Speaker 3: war you want for passing whatever legislation they have. It's legal,

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Speaker 3: I guess I could you know? Why not do it?

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Speaker 3: But spare me the oligarchy tour with Bernie Sanders. He's

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Speaker 3: another one, another phony. He's a millionaire with three homes.

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Speaker 3: Good Lord, we come back. David Goldbloom. Big Rock Burning

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Speaker 3: is the name of the movie, powerful documentary about people

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Speaker 3: in the Big Rock Malibu community who were burned out

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Speaker 3: in the fire and how they're trying to come back.

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Speaker 3: But it'll shake you up watching it make you mad too.

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Speaker 3: Between this and the other documentary watched last week. It's

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Speaker 3: so furious at all the idiots who you know, whether

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Speaker 3: it's the people who ran the fire department, it's Karen

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Speaker 3: Bass and the idiots on the city council. This was

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Speaker 3: completely avoidable, as pretty much was proven in the last hour,

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Speaker 3: right when we found out the text messages kept La

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Speaker 3: Fire Department firefighters from cleaning up the January first fire

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Speaker 3: for the milkfitch plant, and then it rekindled, and then

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Speaker 3: the Palisades fire happened, and we'll talk next with David Goldbloom. Hey,

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Speaker 3: you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You

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Speaker 3: can always hear the show live on KFI AM six

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Speaker 3: forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday,

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Speaker 3: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.