1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,360 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 2: It's a Fleetwood Macian process. When we're. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 3: At a lot of songs you can kind of are 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 3: grappling with infraband dynamics to be fit, to be honest, 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 3: you know, and you're finding nuggets of truth in things 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 3: that you're learning, and you're learning from each other, and 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 3: there's just as much value in that as there is 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 3: in a personal relationship or some other experience that you 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: went through that inspired you. And because you mentioned we 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: spent so much time together, that is literally like it 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 3: does end up becoming a part of like what occupies our. 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: Minds and what we're processing and going through. 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 4: I'm Lyn Hoffman and welcome to the Music Save Me podcast, 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: the podcast that explores the deep healing forces of music. Now, 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 4: if you like this podcast, thank you, and please share 16 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 4: with your friends and don't forget to follow so you 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 4: never miss an episode. I'm so grateful today I get 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 4: to speak with Matt Jervase and Charity Rose Deelin from 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 4: the American indie folk band Head and the Heart. Maddie 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 4: and Charity, welcome to Music Save Me. This is a 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 4: big thrill for us. 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having us. 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much. 24 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: All right, So first I want to ask you. Your 25 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 4: band formed rather serendipitously at an open mic night at 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 4: a bar in Seattle. Can you tell us how music 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 4: brought all of you together? Initially? 28 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it was kind of a hodgepodge of us 29 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 6: of individuals being attracted to this Irish pub called Connorburne 30 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 6: and Ballard and John had moved from a lot of 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 6: us were actually, you know, coming from different states, and 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 6: it was in our early twenties. 33 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 5: John moved from Virginia. 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 6: Kenny had come up from La Josiah also came up 35 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 6: from kind of the LA area to go to school 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 6: in Seattle. And I had just been studying overseas and 37 00:01:59,320 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 6: coming home. 38 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 5: I was born and raised Seattle. 39 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 6: But had literally, you know, met the band two weeks 40 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 6: after getting home. 41 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 5: Chris was the only. 42 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 6: One there who who who later joined, and he was 43 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 6: the bartender of this open mic, and you know, we 44 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 6: all kind of met very serendipitously. You know, Kenny went 45 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 6: to even not even play music at the open mic, 46 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 6: but he came to watch a Lakers game and saw 47 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 6: a couple of us, you know, performing, and. 48 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 5: You know said, oh, well, I play piano. 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 6: Never never had been in the band, didn't read music, 50 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 6: but you know, Kenny has this has this you know, 51 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 6: musical genius that he possesses, and and so he joined 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 6: and I came through a friend, and you know, and 53 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 6: so with the exception of Tyler, no one. Tyler later 54 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 6: drove out from Richmond, Virginia. 55 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 5: He knew John, but with the exception. 56 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 6: Of them, you know, we we we hadn't known each other. 57 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 6: And then we later met Maddie at the music festival, 58 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 6: the kind of first music festival that the band played, 59 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 6: and his band was playing, and you know, because of circumstances, 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 6: we lost one of our members and he wanted Maddie 61 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 6: to take take his place. And so it's just been 62 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 6: this this kind of family collective. How we've operated as 63 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 6: a band with multiple songwriters and multiple personalities, and we've gotten. 64 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: To know one another real time. 65 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 5: You know, we we didn't. 66 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 6: We really we really bonded from this kind of we formed. 67 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 6: You know, there was there's with you know, in a 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 6: very unspoken way. We formed because we connected immediately and 69 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 6: had this kind of wild wonder about you know, at 70 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 6: that point in life and music, and and didn't know 71 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 6: what we were doing, didn't know who we were and 72 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 6: we just were meant to be together, and if we've 73 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 6: tried to maintain that that kind of uncertain wonder, I 74 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 6: think through the whole thing, the whole time. 75 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: That's very special. 76 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 4: It's a big band, so I mean there's a lot 77 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: of arts. 78 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so that's a lot. 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: Your music often explores themes home, belonging, personal growth. How 80 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 4: is your relationship with these concepts sort of evolved through 81 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 4: the years that you've been together. 82 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think I think the early days, you 83 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 6: know so much, especially the first first album was yeah, 84 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 6: you know, leaving home looking for belonging, looking, you know, 85 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 6: kind of questioning what is home? 86 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 5: Who am I, where do I belong? And kind of 87 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 5: you know a lot of a lot of. 88 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 6: The themes that that occur, you know, in all of 89 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 6: us kind of in the in that time frame of life, 90 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 6: I would say, But then it reoccurs, you know, and 91 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 6: you get into your thirties and have another existential and 92 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 6: forties have another existential crisis, you know, and and and 93 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 6: you kind of are reminded of the same questions. But 94 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 6: I think there's so much comfort in kind of moving 95 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 6: through uncertainty and music, you know, there's so much comfort 96 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 6: that you find from making it and also engaging with 97 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 6: it as a listener, and you. 98 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: Know that's for sure, you know this matter. Did you 99 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: have anything to add to that? 100 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 5: Oh? 101 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just going to say, like, you know, 102 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: you're kind of processing these things, and you're talking about 103 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: personal growth when you're when you when you all started music, 104 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: you know, you're all you know in our teens basically, 105 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: and it starts off being this like almost like one 106 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: plus one equals to sort of dynamic where you have 107 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 3: a feeling and you're translating it through song and it's 108 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: very direct. And as you you kind of learned that 109 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: you work that muscle and you and you and you 110 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: realize the catharsist that comes with that. Slowly but surely 111 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: as adults, it becomes more and more of like, oh, 112 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: I see what I'm doing now. At first I didn't 113 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: realize what this was, and now I see what its 114 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: power is and I can almost harness it more intentionally, 115 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: if that makes sense. Yes, And so that's kind of 116 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: been really an amazing thing. It's kind of like as 117 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: we've all matured and as a songwriters, like we've we've 118 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: found ways of looking into what that experience is and 119 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: what that transaction is that you're having when you're writing 120 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: and understanding it. And it's been really interesting to like 121 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: go back and listen to records from you know, heroes 122 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: of ours that are like, we're at the same point 123 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 3: in their careers that we are now, you know, where 124 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 3: before it used to be like we're looking up to them, 125 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 3: and now we're like, Okay, this person is the same 126 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: age when they made this record that I love that 127 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: I am now and what does it mean to them 128 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 3: at the time, and what does it mean to me 129 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: to be making music at that same age? And you know, 130 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: that's just been kind of a really you know, comforting 131 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: thing almost, you know. 132 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 2: To have that. 133 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, certainly when you have a certain 134 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: amount of time behind you and you can look back 135 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: and see patterns and things that you've learned and you 136 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 4: didn't even realize you were going through at that time 137 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: until you get here exactly, it's pretty amazing. Speaking of which, 138 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: and you mentioned you have a large band and a 139 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 4: lot of moving parts. You have spoken about seeing a 140 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 4: therapist the band as a whole, and all I could 141 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: think of in my mind is when you're together, you're 142 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: probably more together with the band than you are with 143 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 4: your own families. I mean, you work really hard and 144 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 4: it's almost like a marriage and that can't always be easy. 145 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: And I think prioritizing mental health is pretty incredible. I've 146 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 4: only heard of one other band that did this, and 147 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: it was Metallica. 148 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: No, but I mean that same documentary, right, and I. 149 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: Mean it was pretty it was brutal, but it was 150 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 4: it was like amazing that they did that. And that 151 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 4: was a group of guys, which is hard enough to 152 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 4: get people to seek some counseling. As you know, how 153 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 4: is prioritizing that mental health affected the creative process? Now 154 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 4: now that you've sort of gone through. 155 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: That, well, it's interesting, Like, you know, every time that 156 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: we've mentioned that or brought it up with other bands 157 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: that are peers of ours, when we encounter them on tour, they're. 158 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: Always like, wow, that's cool, you guys do that, and they. 159 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: Kind of and you can see their gears spinning, like 160 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: why haven't we done this? Like we should be doing 161 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: this too, because there's so much that can be gleaned 162 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: from it, and you realize that your fortunes are tied together. 163 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: Whether you like it or not. 164 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: You know, you know, it's like this, you're greater than 165 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: the summer of your parts, and no one member necessarily 166 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: like has the ability to go off and strike it 167 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: on their own. 168 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,119 Speaker 2: And you know, Metallica actually. 169 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: Hits so ironically one of the few where that actually 170 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: did happen with Dave Mustaine going off and create Megadeth, 171 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: but it's very rare for that to happen. And so 172 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: like realizing that we have like a uh, you know, 173 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: our fortunes are tied together and it's important that we 174 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 3: stay together. It has been something that's definitely informed where 175 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 3: we're going to answer your question though, So you're talking 176 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: about how does it like impact our song a creative process, right, Yeah, 177 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of very Fleetwood MACI to be, 178 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: it's a Fleetwood Machian process whatever. Literally a lot of 179 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: a lot of songs you can kind of are grappling 180 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: with interraband dynamics, uh to be, to be honest, you know, 181 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 3: and you're finding nuggets of truth in things that you're learning, 182 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: and you're learning from each other, and there's just as 183 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: much value in that as there is in a personal 184 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 3: relationship or some other experience that you went through that 185 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 3: inspired you. And because you mentioned we spent so much 186 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: time together that is literally like it does end up 187 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: becoming a part of like what occupies our minds and 188 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: what we're processing and going through, Yeah to things. 189 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 5: Two things that come to mind for me. 190 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 6: For me, songs that are incredibly impactful for me as 191 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 6: a listener are songs that feel like the writer was 192 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 6: very connected to themselves from within, very honest. And I 193 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 6: think when you aren't just a solo artist, but you're 194 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 6: in a collective, you have to get to a place 195 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 6: where you're safe enough to be vulnerable. And for me, 196 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 6: you know, songs and music, I can be more honest 197 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 6: in songs than you know, talking about something you know, 198 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 6: talking about that theme and and when you have you know, 199 00:10:53,960 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 6: multiple relationships, and then there's dynamics in groups, right, you 200 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 6: have to you have to work with intention to get 201 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 6: to a place where you feel safe with one another 202 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 6: in order to kind of release in such an honest 203 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 6: way and create in such an honest way, which then 204 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 6: if everyone's guards come down, you know, and the like 205 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 6: the recording writing process is a collective, then you know, 206 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 6: that's another layer of connection in the process that is 207 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 6: so powerful, and that nuance in magic can be captured 208 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 6: in live takes, you know, in the music itself. And 209 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 6: so it's just building upon this connection that starts within 210 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 6: the individual and then it starts moving outward, you know. 211 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 6: And and so I think therapy is necessary for that 212 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 6: just it really gives a lot of tools in terms 213 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 6: of communication. I think that's the biggest takeaway, is just 214 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 6: learning how to be more understanding, more curious with one 215 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 6: another in communication. And the second thing is that it 216 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 6: baffles me that it isn't more of a a norm. 217 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 6: It's it's I think in my mind, the support the 218 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 6: infrastructures that support bands, like labels, there should be an 219 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 6: arm of like a mental health arm, a holistic kind 220 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 6: of domain that is supporting the bands, because. 221 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 5: It's it's a pretty it's. 222 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 6: You know, it's like it's like a faceless marketplace that's 223 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 6: not considering the human and it's not sustaining. And there's 224 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 6: a reason why addiction is prevalent amongst musicians and why 225 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 6: you know they're there. 226 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 5: It's it's it's bogged. It's mind boggling to me. 227 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 6: And and we're moving, we're moving more towards where, you know, 228 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 6: towards support. 229 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 5: But I wish that there were even within there's more. 230 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 6: Of a recognition and infrastructure for that, uh than just 231 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 6: kind of tertiary, you know, organizations, And but yeah, I'm 232 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 6: grateful that. I'm grateful that, you know, we found this 233 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 6: incredible and credible therapist who I knew intuitively would would 234 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 6: would you know? She really emphasizes group dynamics and it 235 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 6: really she's she's resonated with everyone, and she's been amazing 236 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 6: for us. 237 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 4: I have to thank you for sharing that. You know, 238 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: a lot of people assume that, you know, you have 239 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 4: it all. You've got this great band and you're touring 240 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 4: the world, and you know they do. People don't realize 241 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 4: how difficult it can be for artists to be together 242 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: like that. And and music is a therapy in and 243 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: of itself, but you still need levels of things to 244 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 4: get yourself through life. And and for you to share 245 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 4: that is is pretty astounding. Actually, you know, you're letting 246 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 4: you're feeling vulnerable enough to say that publicly, And I 247 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 4: bet it helps a lot of people to know that 248 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 4: even the most talented and you know, famous people actually 249 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 4: do need some help too, and it's okay to to 250 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 4: get that and it and it works. 251 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 6: Oh oh yeah, I mean I think you thank you 252 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 6: for for even you know, thank you for saying that. 253 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 5: You know, I think I can't help, but just always, 254 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 5: you know, be honest. 255 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 6: I know, cursed with it too, but I think that 256 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 6: you know, there's always and there's always a thread of 257 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 6: deep gratitude and understanding of the privilege and the gift 258 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 6: that that we have through everything, you know, and that's 259 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 6: what one of the you know, drivers, and that keeps 260 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 6: us going, you know, and and and that you know, 261 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 6: grand acknowledgment, but you know, every relationship, we're human, and 262 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 6: and if you're a human in a relationship, there's always 263 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 6: going to be it's always a dance of understanding. And 264 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 6: then you multiply that times so many and and. 265 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 5: And also you know, when we started as a band, 266 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 5: we were young. 267 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 6: We were trying to stay informed and be sage and 268 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 6: all these things, but we were still we this is 269 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 6: new for all of us, and we didn't know one another, 270 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 6: so we didn't have that foundation, and so all of 271 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 6: this is happening, and it was just there's such an 272 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 6: intensity and an extreme. 273 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 5: When you're on in the industry. You know, we've extreme extreme. 274 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 6: Our year, you know, is booked with extremes where you're honor, 275 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 6: you're really honor, you're really off, you're gone and away 276 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 6: or you're home, and you know, and so I think 277 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 6: it's just it's trying to navigate those extremes to kind 278 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 6: of bring them more towards the center in a healthy 279 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 6: balance way. 280 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 4: When did you first both discover that music had healing 281 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 4: benefits to your fans and to listeners of music. 282 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think we all started making music because 283 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: we recognized that power from you know, very very very 284 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: very young, and we you know, whether the music where 285 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: we experienced it, you know, going to For me, it 286 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: was Catholic church every Sunday, and you know, and sharing 287 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: the songs with family members. My grandfather was a singer, 288 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: and you know, just the shared experience that you have 289 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: with that. My parents were big, huge music fans, and 290 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: so we grew up listening to all the classics, you know. 291 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 5: Like they have great takes Bob Dylan music, Bob. 292 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 3: Dylan records and Neil Young records, and Bruce Springsteen and 293 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 3: you know, you know, Buddy Holly and music from the 294 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 3: fifties and the forties and and a lot of great 295 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: jazz records too, and. 296 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: Just uh, pretty you know, as an early teen slash tween. 297 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: I guess, you know, before I was even a teenager, 298 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: I had an older brother who started learning guitar and 299 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 3: kind of we formed a band with our close neighbor 300 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: down the street, and it became this very immediate like 301 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: form of processing and an outlet for stuff that you know, 302 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 3: feelings and experiences that you couldn't you know, quite necessarily 303 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 3: you know, comprehend, you know, And so music was always that, 304 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: you know, it's always a way of transporting to the. 305 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: To someplace else in a healthy way. 306 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 3: That that gave us that drive to do it ourselves essentially, 307 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 3: and then you know, come full circle and seeing what 308 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: you what you mentioned like with how the music that 309 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: then you then write affects others. It's just the most 310 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: profoundly amazing experience and affirming experience to ever have happened. 311 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 3: You know, you can there's nothing that can even remotely 312 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 3: come close to it, because you realize the full circle 313 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: benefit of putting yourself out there and you and you've 314 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: you've gotten so much from all the people that came 315 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 3: before you, and you're channeling and turning your life experiences 316 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 3: into these new creations that are doing that for someone else. 317 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: It's a profoundly gratifying thing, and it's easy to forget 318 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 3: that that's what you're doing, you know, But like it's 319 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 3: just when you see it on the faces of people 320 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 3: that come out to the shows, it's just it's everything. 321 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, because I think in many ways in the creation 322 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 6: process I am, I think I was born this way 323 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 6: but also conditioned. I don't know, you know, but I'm 324 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 6: a deep EmPATH highly sensitive being and I love it. 325 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 6: And I'm the youngest, you know, and in our family line, 326 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 6: and you know, I can't help but just think of 327 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 6: others a lot. But in the music creation process, I'm 328 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 6: not thinking about anyone else. I'm again trying to be honest, 329 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 6: the most honest that I can be with myself, so 330 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 6: I can connect to the deep parts of who I 331 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 6: am and also be open to receiving whatever is coming 332 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 6: from beyond me, you know. And it's yeah, it's cathartic 333 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 6: and healing for myself. And so it's it's extremely not unexpected, 334 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 6: but surprising every time, and so beautiful to know that 335 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 6: someone is reacting in the same way and like to 336 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 6: to the music to how I did when I was 337 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 6: making it. And so I think there's that you know, 338 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 6: you can't you can't truth is truth can't help but 339 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 6: be attractive, you know, and connect. So it's that's the power, 340 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 6: you know, and it's beyond I say, like the the 341 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 6: most powerful you know, songs and music canon come from 342 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 6: this place that is beyond yourself, beyond the writer and 343 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 6: in the room and and you're almost receiving you know, 344 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 6: you're a conduit and vessel for this, and so it's 345 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 6: it's it's outside of it's outside of ourselves, you know 346 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 6: what we're connecting. 347 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: With absolutely and empaths and have a hard time with 348 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 4: large crowds. It makes sense though, because you're you're sucking 349 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 4: in all of the energy, good and the bad and 350 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 4: all of it. But but the weird thing is is that 351 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 4: at a concert where you have fans of your music 352 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 4: and you're fans of making the music and performing it, 353 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 4: and you're feeding off of each other all the good, 354 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 4: then that's a safe large crowd environment for someone who 355 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 4: picks up on all that stuff, which it just kind 356 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 4: of dawned on me. 357 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: I've always had issues with large crowds, and. 358 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 4: I've never been a musician on stage making them just 359 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 4: feel amazing. So I it just sort of dawned on 360 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 4: me that that's how you could probably handle it, and 361 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 4: that yeah one. 362 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: And as a fan, you know, I think about experiences 363 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 3: and like when when I'll you know, be in the audience. 364 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: We've we've been lucky enough to see you know, Paul 365 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 3: McCartney a couple of times, and you know, just like 366 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: you look at the faces and the tears streaming down 367 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: these strangers that you don't know, that are sitting in 368 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 3: the same row as you, and you sharing this experience, 369 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 3: and this music is meant the same thing to them 370 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 3: as it's meant to you for so long, for decades 371 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: and decades, your whole life. And so as a fan, 372 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 3: you know that that's what's happening in the audience, or 373 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 3: at least you as a performer, that's what you hope 374 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 3: is happening in the audience. And you know that it 375 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 3: is when you see and you look out and you 376 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: see those tears and you see those smiles, and you 377 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 3: see that release that everyone's experience experiencing, and it just 378 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: gives you the ability to. 379 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: Reinvigorate what those songs meant to you in the first 380 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: place when. 381 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: You were writing them, and it just yeah, I mean, 382 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 3: it is a spiritual experience. 383 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 2: There's no other way of putting it. 384 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 3: Like that's the whole Like that's the joy of live 385 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 3: music and of concerts, and especially with artists that you love. 386 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: It's all about. 387 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,479 Speaker 3: It's all about that shared sense of community and shared 388 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 3: history and Catharsis and all the good things. 389 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 6: And it's crazy that you know that can that it's 390 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 6: it's that like power to unify, especially in like the 391 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 6: live the live music is setting, you know. Is I 392 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 6: always go back to the fact that I learned a 393 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 6: few years ago that the average American attends one one 394 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 6: concert per year, and so it's a rare occurrence to 395 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 6: be in attendance at this concert, you know, And I 396 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 6: think that there's so much power in that. And so 397 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 6: everyone in attendance, you don't you don't know their relationship 398 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 6: with the music, but nine times out of ten they've 399 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 6: been moved deep enough by the music to want to 400 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 6: come see an experience it live. And so it's this 401 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 6: rare occurrence for the person, but everyone is is drawn 402 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 6: there for the same reason, and you and and it's 403 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 6: like you're uniting. Thousands of people are united and connecting 404 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 6: in various moments and ways and songs, and that is 405 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 6: such a powerful, beautiful thing to have in society and 406 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 6: moving moving our collective, you know, towards unification, towards connection 407 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 6: and away from division like that, that is the tool 408 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 6: that music can have. Live live music and also just 409 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 6: listening to it, you know, on headphones or in your car. 410 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 6: Having that as a tool that can't heal and and 411 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 6: bring us, you know, move us away from fear and 412 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 6: more towards love on that spectrum is beyond extraordinary. And 413 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 6: you know, I think we're learning there's evidence, there's greater 414 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 6: and greater evidence on the neurological side. 415 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 5: Of of how how how. 416 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 6: It can't heal the individual and thus the collective and 417 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 6: in our society. 418 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 4: Yes, listening to music, going to shows together and listening 419 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 4: to music, all of it. We'll be right back with 420 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 4: more of the Music Saved Me podcast. And by the way, 421 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 4: if you like this podcast, you are going to love 422 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 4: our companion podcast called Taken a Walk. It's hosted by 423 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 4: my dear friend buzz Night, and you can find it 424 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 4: wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Music 425 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 4: Saved Me Podcast, the podcast where we discussed the healing 426 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 4: powers of music with some of the biggest names in 427 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 4: music as well as up and comers. Mattie, we'll start 428 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 4: with you. Who are some of your favorite artists? Are 429 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 4: songs that have truly impacted you saying maybe a particularly 430 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 4: difficult time in your life. 431 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good one. 432 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: I mean, there's because there's countless. 433 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: There's so many, you know, I can think back to 434 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 3: my teenage years and you know, listening to you know, 435 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 3: bands like Nirvana and Pearl Jam and and like you know, 436 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: you know, Green Day and bands that you know, I 437 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 3: looked up to when I was younger, and you know, 438 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: going through the trials and tribulations of early adulthood and 439 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 3: the Bachelor Number two record by any Man and Rufus's 440 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: Want Records are just so influential and so got me 441 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 3: through my early twenties, and Neil Young's Silver and Gold, 442 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 3: you know, around a similar. 443 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: Period of time, Harvest Moon, just. 444 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: Countless, countless acts like that, you know, you know, one 445 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 3: of the one of the ones that always sticks out 446 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: of my head. And it wasn't necessarily like a personal 447 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: and difficult time, but like as a nation Post nine 448 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 3: to eleven, Bruce Springsteen puts out the rising, and it's 449 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 3: just this like absolute He sums up so many of 450 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: the feelings we were all having, like in this way, 451 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: they're like, I don't know how you performed that magic trick, 452 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 3: but thank you for that, you know what I mean. 453 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: And every so often you just you just have to 454 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 3: come to come to this like realization, like, oh my god, 455 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 3: thank god I live at the time that I live 456 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: where these people gave these gifts to all of us, 457 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 3: because it's I can't imagine my life without it. And 458 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 3: I can put those records on that I put on 459 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 3: it when I was in my early twenties or in 460 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: my teens, and I have the exact same feeling that 461 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 3: I had, and I can remember the reason why I 462 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: was going through something in that moment. 463 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: You know, I can re. 464 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 3: Experience painful as it was, like when I lost one 465 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 3: of my best friends to a drug overdose, or when 466 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 3: I lost my grandparents, or all these different feelings that 467 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 3: you go through in life, and they. 468 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 2: Come right back to you, you know. 469 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: But then of course they're viewed through the lens of 470 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: history and all the things that you learned in process 471 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: before that, and after that it just becomes it's just 472 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: a very peaceful feeling because you get you realize, Okay, 473 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 3: I can put this record on whenever I want to, 474 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 3: and it's like, I can't believe all the anxiety that 475 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 3: I was having because of what was happening today just 476 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: drifts away. It's gone and I have that that release again. 477 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 3: It's it's an incredible gift. 478 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: So, yeah, was. 479 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 7: There I have a question actually where there like talking 480 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 7: about your grandfather, was there like a specific song that 481 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 7: kind of in the moment I guess of his his 482 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 7: life's decline and mental decline that yeah, point two. 483 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: Or yeah, you could probably google the words. I can't 484 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 3: remember the name of the actual artists because it was 485 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 3: we didn't really have it was pre pre google back yeah, 486 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 3: old days. But it was like, here's my song, it's 487 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 3: the song that's in my heart, and this is you know, 488 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 3: my grandfather who had Alzheimer's, was you know, not capable 489 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 3: of conversation and in a way other than kind of 490 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: reliving stories and reliving things that he had gone through 491 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 3: and the you know, distant, distant past. But you know, 492 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 3: these songs and these these these these melodies would come 493 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 3: back up and he would sing them over and over again. 494 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 3: He just kind of like, you know, have an appreciation 495 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 3: for the staying power. It lives in a different part 496 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 3: of you than than the part of the brain that 497 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 3: we typically access when we're you know, responding to an 498 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: email or driving down the highway or whatever. 499 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: It might the case might be. It's it lives somewhere else. 500 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 2: It lives you know, in the soul. 501 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 3: And so it's just it's it's amazing to see that 502 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 3: happen in real time with someone who has you know, 503 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 3: a mental decline or situation or you know, somethings like 504 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 3: like Alzheimer's, which my grandmother. 505 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 4: Does that answer your question, yeah, take time to your charity. 506 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I. 507 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 6: Mean I think I think the more that I learned, 508 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 6: we learn, you know, but just about how there's you know, 509 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 6: a part of the brain that can only be communicated 510 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 6: with through music is and the fact that our brains 511 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 6: have evolved, you know, to maintain this access is said 512 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 6: something you know, and that makes me think of the 513 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 6: Disney film Cocoa that happened to be the first kind 514 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 6: of Disney film we showed our eldest who's four almost four. Yeah, 515 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 6: I think it's just the power to be able to 516 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 6: communicate and heal. You know, the music, the music, the 517 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 6: power that music has to do that that is beyond 518 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 6: a talk talking a talk therapy or somatic therapy, or 519 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 6: it makes me I. 520 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 5: Can't help but cry. 521 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 4: It just to make you feel better. I think almost 522 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: every one of these podcasts that I've done has brought 523 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 4: me to tears. 524 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: In a good way. But it's there. I mean, you 525 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: don't see it, but I turn around, I'm. 526 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's just so special all of that for me. 527 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 4: Can I share with you this song hurts, but it 528 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 4: goes away. Oh okay, So tell me first. You have 529 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 4: to tell me about the song. Because for me, having 530 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 4: someone my husband or my best friend, or someone anyone 531 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 4: close to me when I'm going through something they say 532 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 4: to me it's going to be okay, that changes everything, 533 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: especially if it's someone that you trust and love and 534 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 4: they tell you that, and you need to hear that sometimes. 535 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 4: And I was just curious if you could tell me 536 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 4: a little bit about that song. 537 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the line that sticks out to me 538 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 3: is like I've been noticing the leaves or changing colors. 539 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 3: It just kind of like it's talking about the passage 540 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 3: of time. And despite the fact that we might be 541 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 3: in the thick of it right now. There's beauty in 542 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 3: the passage of time and the healing lies there. I'm 543 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: not the only one who feels the way to this, 544 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 3: you know, it knows it shows that you're You're not 545 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 3: the only person going through this. It's a shared experience, 546 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 3: regardless of whether or not you feel like you're at 547 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: the center of it. We've all we're all in this together, 548 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: even when it comes down to like your own personal struggles, 549 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 3: because we've you know, everyone shares those struggles at one 550 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: point or another in their life, and they are always 551 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 3: an invitation to take the next step and move beyond 552 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 3: the plane of existence that you've been on and step 553 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: towards something greater than you could you you would have 554 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: conceptualized had you not gone through that experience in the 555 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 3: first place. And so yeah, I like to say it 556 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: goes away. I mean, it's it's it's almost like it 557 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 3: would be better almost to say it hurts and it 558 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 3: stays with you, but it. 559 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: Get easier to deal with. 560 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 3: It's to quote the great Britney spears stronger than yesterday. 561 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's it's one of those things where. 562 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 3: You become stronger for it, if that makes sense. 563 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 6: Right, And I think as a person, as a person 564 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 6: who carries and lives with heightened anxiety, I'd say, you know, 565 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 6: and I think that there's a lot of there's a 566 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 6: lot of collective pain in the endemic of of anxiety, 567 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 6: but you know, emotional and mental pain, you know, and 568 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 6: suffering that we all kind of dance through on a 569 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 6: daily basis to varying degrees living with anxiety. 570 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 5: It's it's really the understanding. 571 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 6: That kind of trying to find the hope, hope is 572 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 6: the only way to kind of bring you out of 573 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 6: that and bring you through it and not thinking worst 574 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 6: case scenario, you know, bringing you out of that cycle 575 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 6: and that things your thoughts aren't it's not the end 576 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 6: of the world, you know, And that's you find that 577 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 6: and then you build that strength and that resilience to 578 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 6: be able to move forward. 579 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 3: You know. 580 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 6: Again, music is one of the main tools that can 581 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 6: bring me bring me through that. 582 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of funny. 583 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 3: You could go, you could read a thousand self help 584 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 3: books and before you realize, like, oh, all I really 585 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 3: needed to do was put on my favorite record and 586 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 3: that that had the same effect of just release and 587 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 3: self actualization that you were looking for in the first place. 588 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of like I think we 589 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: can all we've we've all been through the part where 590 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: you're kind of just I mean, I can't say this 591 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 3: is true for everyone. I'm sure it is, but like 592 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 3: you're just overthinking everything all the time and you're like, 593 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: oh my god, I just I've just remembered that that 594 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 3: harvest moon exists. I'm going to put harv of the 595 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 3: Moon on. I did that last week. I was like, okay, 596 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 3: this is everything is good now. 597 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 5: The noise, you know, you're able to quiet the noise. 598 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 5: You're able to quiet. 599 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 6: The noise, and it's like a form of meditation really, 600 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 6: you know, and I guess the reference kind of songs together, 601 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 6: songs that were poignant for me along my life. 602 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 5: You know, thus far you knows. 603 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 6: As a child, I grew up in a musical household 604 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 6: with my mother being a finalist bolis orchestra teacher, so 605 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 6: I couldn't help but be surrounded and played violin since 606 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 6: I was very young, and so classical music I was 607 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 6: just we listened to that so much. 608 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 5: And also I have. 609 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 6: Two older sisters and then my mother that that I 610 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 6: grew up with, and we would sing hymns a lot 611 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 6: as well. There are moments when I remember singing singing 612 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,479 Speaker 6: hymns in my Grandma's Cadillac in small town, Minnesota where 613 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 6: we moved to for a handful of years. As a 614 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 6: kid and being the youngest, I would always add the 615 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 6: last harmony, you know, I would. 616 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 5: Fit in where I could, which is a lot. 617 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: You know. 618 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 5: It applies to being in this band too. 619 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 6: With my harmonies, I'm always kind of the last, the 620 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 6: last voice to find their way. One class little song 621 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 6: that I always come back to, and now I'm playing 622 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 6: for my one daughter who calls it the most so 623 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 6: so beautiful and makes her fall asleep at the same 624 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 6: time is dabc's Clear d Loon, which is just one 625 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 6: of the most that it makes me feel all of 626 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 6: the emotions whenever I put that song on, as well 627 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 6: as Carnival of the Animals, the Swan Song, my Sas Song, 628 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 6: Both of those tracks I think I could go to, 629 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 6: you know, for the rest of my life and have 630 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 6: carred with me, you know, since being a kid. But 631 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 6: then moving forward, Green Day's Good Ridance The Time. 632 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 5: Of your Life came. 633 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 6: Out right when I was twelve, Like I said, we 634 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 6: had moved. 635 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 5: I'm born and raised Seattle. 636 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 6: All my extended family were in Minnesota, including my you know, 637 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 6: Grandma Corrn in small town and it was kind of 638 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 6: near the end of her life, so my parents moved 639 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 6: us all out to to to become have a relationship 640 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 6: with her and the rest. And for me, I had 641 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 6: quite an existential crisis and realize that that has been, 642 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 6: you know, since then given me this kind of fierce 643 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 6: independence and understanding, you know, like being comfortable with isolation, 644 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 6: and you know, later in my life really lends itself 645 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 6: to to writing songs and for the first time and 646 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 6: et cetera. But I remember the day that we that 647 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 6: we moved away and we were we had like an 648 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 6: overnight actually with with our church community, and they put 649 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 6: Green Day's Good Riddance as the soundtrack to the photos 650 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 6: the photo like the slideshow. 651 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 5: I was profoundly moved by that song. 652 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 6: For my sisters, there is sadness for the leaving of 653 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 6: the relationships, the community and now we're you know, we're 654 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 6: moving back to Seattle. 655 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 5: For me, there was it was almost tears of joy. 656 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 6: And I'll never forget just the visual, the visual of 657 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 6: me like looking out of the rear of the car 658 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 6: and and it's all waving, you know, goodbye. But for 659 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 6: me it were it was, you know, these tiers of 660 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 6: of joy knowing you know, I'm good rints like I'm 661 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 6: happy to be leaving you, I'm happy to be moving 662 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 6: on and moving back to where I feel like my 663 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 6: home really is, you know, back in Seattle. And uh yeah, 664 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 6: I'll never you know, forget the poignants of that song 665 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 6: and and and come to think of it, you know, 666 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 6: there's such a like violin instrumental in the middle of 667 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 6: that song, you know, for quite a long time, and 668 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 6: uh that obviously resonates with with me. But speaking of hymns, 669 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 6: you know, growing up with that when I when we 670 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 6: moved home to Seattle, and probably a couple of years later, 671 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 6: right before I started getting a guitar and writing writing music. 672 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 5: Sister act too. My sister and I would. 673 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 6: Sing to, you know, the classic hymn His Eyes on 674 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 6: the Sparrow, and that was really my introduction into Lauren Hill. 675 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 5: We would always, you know, do at that song. 676 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 6: And there's such profound power in that in that rendition 677 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 6: and that song, and that really opened up my world 678 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 6: to you know Lauren Hill and the education her solo stuff, 679 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 6: and you know, she was a huge, huge influence on me, 680 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 6: you know, musically and just seeing the power of music. 681 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: It's pretty powerful. 682 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 4: There's something about harmonies too that I don't know what 683 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 4: it is. Yes, Yes, Oh my gosh, I wish I 684 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 4: knew what it was. 685 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: Still trying to figure it out, but we're yes. 686 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 3: Now. 687 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 4: I have a couple of more things that I want 688 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,479 Speaker 4: to ask you about before I let you go, because 689 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 4: you've been so generous with your time. First of all, 690 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 4: I wanted to comment on something you said earlier. It's 691 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 4: almost as if the way you were describing music was 692 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 4: your record shelf, for lack of a better word, or 693 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 4: the thing you go through to find your albums or 694 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 4: however you get your music, which is kind of dating 695 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 4: myself now. It's kind of like your your medicine cabinet. 696 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 4: Totally go in there and you have a problem and 697 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 4: you're looking for which one it's going to help you 698 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 4: get through that moment. 699 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: That was just a comment your new album. 700 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong, But this is more about 701 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 4: what you had just spoken about Hope and Light. Can 702 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 4: you can you tell us a little bit more what 703 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 4: we're going to find on that new album. 704 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 3: We've been going through this period of not knowing who 705 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 3: you are, not not not necessarily being satisfied. 706 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 2: With where we are, uh, you know. 707 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 3: Not not necessarily appreciating the things that are beautiful that 708 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 3: are already there. And the idea is that, you know, 709 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 3: we're stepping forward into something new that feels that that's 710 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,240 Speaker 3: always been there, but we're only now opening up the aperture, 711 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 3: opening up our ability to see it and to take 712 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 3: it in for the you know again, as if it 713 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 3: was you know, for the first time. And so it's 714 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 3: kind of like those moments in life where you've you 715 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 3: whether you've met to or not, you you've kind of 716 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 3: been having sort of some sort of long dark night 717 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 3: of the soul. Which I've always loved that phrase, and 718 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 3: I feel like it's very apt for songwriters and myself, 719 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 3: Like you go through these periods of despair and depression 720 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 3: and and they seem like they're going to last forever, 721 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, whatever the lessons that were 722 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 3: in that period of time, they can jeal in your brain. 723 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 3: You somehow you've translated them into the thing that that 724 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 3: or into the lesson that you needed to learn at 725 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 3: that point in your life, and all of a sudden, 726 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 3: it's like, Okay. 727 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 2: I have this new I get to you know, I get. 728 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 3: To take a walk down the street, and all of 729 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 3: a sudden, it just feels different again. I can I'm 730 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 3: taking notice of the color of the moss on the branches. 731 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 3: You know, I'm starting to see the things that were 732 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 3: always there but for a while you were shut off to. 733 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 3: And so there's there's sort of there's hope in that. 734 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 3: And you know, another line in the song is time 735 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 3: was made for running out. I don't know why it 736 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 3: took us so long. You know, the sun was made 737 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 3: for coming out, even though the night is long. So 738 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 3: it's kind of just giving you again the reassurance that 739 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 3: you know, you've been through this before, it's going to 740 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 3: happen again. But the sun always rises at the end 741 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 3: of the day or at the beginning of the. 742 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: Day after ang what depends on where you are. 743 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 2: The wrong finality to use of that moment. 744 00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: Sounds like to looking. 745 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 4: What you're saying is is, you know, finding those silver 746 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,399 Speaker 4: linings when things seem really the darkest, and then when 747 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 4: you realize what they are, it's time to celebrate that 748 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 4: and and be okay, which is amazing. 749 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: It's yeah, and you were. 750 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 4: It's almost as if you too were or your band 751 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 4: collective is it was picked to do this because you 752 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 4: you sound like musical therapists, but you're giving of yourself 753 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 4: and your skills and talents to those that need it desperately. 754 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting. 755 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 4: It's interesting to hear from your side how much you 756 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 4: go through this too, And I think. 757 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: That's so important. 758 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. 759 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 4: I am really excited to hear about the Rivers and 760 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 4: is it the Rivers and Road Foundation, the Rivers, Rivers 761 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 4: and Roads. 762 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: Yes, Roads, tell us about that. 763 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that. 764 00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 6: You know, so the Rivers and Roads Foundation really the 765 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 6: the heart mission of it is to kind of allow 766 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 6: greater access or to music education for for for children, 767 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 6: you know, in the in the Seattle area and greater community, 768 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 6: as well as mental health support and access to services 769 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 6: for for musicians. So a lot of you know, kind 770 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 6: of it was a very natural extension for the band 771 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 6: and how really understanding how we can support the community 772 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 6: that supported our band in the early days and and 773 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,240 Speaker 6: the foundation leading to where we are and and again 774 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 6: going back to understanding the power of music and and 775 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 6: as a as a as a necessary tool to have 776 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 6: in in you know, for in society, young society especially, 777 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 6: and in all so the having a compassionate understanding of 778 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 6: the need for mental health support for artists and for 779 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 6: crewe you know, who support the artists on the road 780 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,240 Speaker 6: and in venues and such. 781 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,760 Speaker 3: And we're lucky that we have a bunch of really 782 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 3: amazing pre existing nonprofits in Seattle that we kind. 783 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 2: Of allocate with. 784 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, So we've been able to like over 785 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 3: the you know, each year designated different recipient of the 786 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 3: funds that we've been able to raise and so and 787 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 3: so there's an infrastructure, you know, because our own infrastructure 788 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 3: is more just a fundraiser essentially, and then we were 789 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 3: able to give that to different organizations that can then 790 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 3: translate that into direct you know, a person to person 791 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 3: benefit to you know, in different communities within within Seattle. 792 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,879 Speaker 1: So that's great. You guys, just keep doing what you're doing. 793 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 4: I'm so impressed and you're just so lovely and it. 794 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,280 Speaker 1: Was so wonderful to meet you and Maddie and Charity. 795 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 4: Please come back and see us again and share more 796 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,280 Speaker 4: great stories from your career. 797 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: I suspect you have. 798 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 4: Many many, many more years of performing and giving back, 799 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,319 Speaker 4: and I'm just blessed to know you, and. 800 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 5: I'm grateful. 801 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 6: Thank you for for having this type of podcast that 802 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,760 Speaker 6: really is not you know, as you were saying earlier, 803 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 6: not the gossip uh fluff train of sorts. That's you know, 804 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,840 Speaker 6: really getting to the heart of what makes us human, 805 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 6: you know, and what connects us. 806 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 5: And so so thank you. 807 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 6: For giving us a platform and for your time to 808 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 6: share it with us. 809 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 2: It's really true. It's it's like what music. 810 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 3: Does you know we could have We could talk to 811 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 3: you all day about this, you know what I mean. 812 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 2: And so that's really good. 813 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 5: Wells are in school. 814 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,439 Speaker 4: We've got a few more, all right, Well listen Part 815 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,719 Speaker 4: two down the road, go out, you know, kick some asks, 816 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 4: take some names, and just keep doing what you're doing, 817 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 4: keep rock in the free world. And I'm sure that 818 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 4: we will cross paths again and we'll have park part. 819 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 2: You absolutely, yes, please, we'd love. 820 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: To all right, Thank you so much, Thank you. 821 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 5: M