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Speaker 3: Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm

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Speaker 3: Will Pearson and it's always I'm joined by my good

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Speaker 3: Look over there, Mango at Sue Harang, you know, the

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Speaker 3: All right, so who were like, you know, like the

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: The craziest part was like the crowd was booing and jeering.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I kind of love that story. It might

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Speaker 1: You're listening to.

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Speaker 2: And why is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, Great Britain won the curling competition way back in

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, my friend Dave was a ski archer, and

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Speaker 2: I was always hoping they'd make ski archery a sport

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Speaker 3: You know, I've met Dave before, and he never bragged

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Speaker 1: The ski archery thing.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's weird to think about things that

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Speaker 2: So what changed over the course of those eighty some years.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you brought up demo sports because I

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Speaker 1: No, is that like corfball.

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Speaker 2: It's exactly like corfball on skis. So this comes from

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Speaker 2: Why it was this one off event that never returned

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Speaker 3: I mean, I have to admit that sounds like a

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Speaker 1: It was still attached to it. But I've never heard

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Speaker 3: I mean, I did know that dogs made an appearance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of crazy because sled dog racing seems

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Speaker 2: always have the Iditarod, but sadly for like a lot

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Speaker 2: So there's one called ski Ballet or across Sky, and

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Speaker 1: Huh, which sounds awesome, right, yeah it does.

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Speaker 2: It cropped off at two Winter Olympics. It was shown

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of weird, but I'd probably watch it.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think i'd be really good at it,

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Speaker 2: Wait, how did this not catch on? Skis, horses, guns, swords,

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Speaker 3: You're not kidding, I mean, I feel like everybody can

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Speaker 2: So here's an event that, despite fan outcry, was also

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Speaker 1: All right, that can't be a real thing, No way.

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Speaker 2: I know it's only sort of a thing. So a

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Speaker 2: casual fans of chicken sled racing may not know the

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Speaker 2: g's It's almost a half pound. Seriously, don't try this

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Speaker 1: I love how serious he is with that. That's pretty great.

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Speaker 3: to the demo phase though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean, the company started this social media

442
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,959
Speaker 2: campaign that include this petition to make it an official

443
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,439
Speaker 2: event at the twenty eighteen Games, but as far as

444
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Speaker 2: I know, it won't be debuting there.

445
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,320
Speaker 1: That's probably for the best.

446
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,159
Speaker 3: But all right, well, speaking of Bob's ledding, did you

447
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,920
Speaker 3: ever hear how the sport got it start? Actually kind

448
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 3: of a three for here, because there were two other

449
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 3: winter sports that involved the icy track. You've got the

450
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 3: luge the skeleton, and those can also be traced back

451
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 3: to the same source.

452
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Speaker 2: So, I mean, I know what loses it's when there's

453
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 2: like a single person on a sled face up and

454
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 2: feet first. But remind me what's skeleton again.

455
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 3: It's pretty much the reverse, like you sled face down

456
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 3: and face first, which is just awful.

457
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: It's terrifying. It just makes me like nervous thinking about it.

458
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 3: I know me too, But the story is pretty strange

459
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 3: as well. So apparently lose skeleton and bob sledding. All

460
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 3: owe this huge debt to a Swiss hotel owner. His

461
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 3: name was Casper Badrutt, and in the eighteen sixties Casper

462
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 3: hit upon the idea of a winter resort and this

463
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 3: was kind of a way to fill empty rooms during

464
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 3: the freezing winter months in Saint Marins. So he convinced

465
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 3: English tours that there was plenty of fun to be

466
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 3: had by speeding through the town's streets on kind of

467
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,239
Speaker 3: a modified sled that that happened to be popular at

468
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 3: the time among local delivery boys. It was only one

469
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 3: problem to this, and that's an i'mateure. Sledgers were routinely

470
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 3: smacking into unsuspecting pedestrians. They were just trying to walk

471
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 3: down the street, and I guess in some ways that

472
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 3: wasn't great for business. So Casper came up with a solution,

473
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 3: and that was to construct this icy halfpipe, and so

474
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 3: people could, you know, no longer have to recavoc in

475
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 3: the streets, and they started experimenting with new configurations. They might,

476
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: you know, strap two sleds together to make somewhat of

477
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 3: a bob sled, And within a decade this recreational sledding

478
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 3: had morphed into a few distinct competitive sports, and by

479
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Speaker 3: the time the Winter Olympics rolled around in nineteen twenty four,

480
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 3: bob sled or bob slag as they used to call it,

481
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,719
Speaker 3: it was kind of a natural inclusion on the program.

482
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Speaker 2: That's kind of funny because it's actually a similar thing

483
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 2: that happened with the snowboard. So the basic idea of

484
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 2: snowboards first cropped up in the eighteen hundreds, but they

485
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 2: didn't become a commercial product. And I didn't realize this

486
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: but until the nineteen sixties. And that's when a Michigan

487
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 2: man named Sherman Poppin strapped two skis together to make

488
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: a new kind of ride for his daughter. And you'll

489
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: love this. He dubbed the invention the snurfer snurfer and

490
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: he sold over a million of them in the next decade,

491
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: and then athletes made their own adjustments and improvements, just

492
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 2: like with the bob sled, and then the sport became

493
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: a full blown craze in the eighties and nineties. Also,

494
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 2: I really do wish we could keep calling it snurfing.

495
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's try to bring that back if we can.

496
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's wild to think about how recent a

497
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 3: breakthrough something as familiar as snowboarding really is.

498
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Speaker 1: And what's weird.

499
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Speaker 3: It's kind of the same with figure skating too. I mean,

500
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: ice skating has been around for hundreds of years, but

501
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 3: you know, the expressive acrobatic version that we think of

502
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: with figure skaters, that didn't come around until the mid

503
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: nineteenth century. And believe it or not, it was an

504
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: American who actually popularized it. The guy's name was Jackson Haynes,

505
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 3: and he was looking for a way to combine his

506
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: ballet dance training with ice skating at a time when

507
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: most of the skaters were focusing on just doing these

508
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 3: complex patterns and the ice and so moving gracefully to

509
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 3: music and all the spinning and jumping. That was something

510
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 3: that no ice skater was doing at the time, and

511
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: it all seemed too theatrical, I guess for some people,

512
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 3: so this restricted view frustrated Haynes, and so he left

513
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: for Europe and this international style, as they started to

514
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 3: describe it, it began to thrill these audiences in London

515
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,239
Speaker 3: and Paris and other places that they were taking it.

516
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: And so we chriss crossed the European continent as this

517
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: skating celebrity for over a decade. And so today people

518
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 3: remember him as the father of figure skating.

519
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: Oh I love that anyway. I know there are plenty

520
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 2: of other innovations connected to the Winter Olympics like we

521
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: should probably talk about, but first let's take a little break.

522
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Speaker 2: So Dave Bergart is a dear friend of mine. This

523
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: is how far we go back. So I was on

524
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: a study abroad trip to Tibet, and I knew no

525
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: one on the program. And as I was walking onto

526
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: this bus as a total dork. I mean, I think

527
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 2: I had a sketch pad in one hand and a

528
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: ukulelea in my other, and I had this ridiculous little

529
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: suitcase while everyone had these awesome hiking backpacks. And by Dave,

530
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: and he was on this bus just playing with a

531
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: Rubik's cube and he was wearing a Coffeels T shirt

532
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: which was a little band from Delaware, and I thought,

533
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: another cool dork. I found my people. But then later

534
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: Dave was so humble about this, and I was shocked

535
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: to learn he was number one in the country and

536
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: ski archery and and the fact that he was a

537
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: real athlete just blew me away. But that's what I

538
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about today. So Dave Brogart, welcome to

539
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: the program.

540
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Speaker 5: Hey, thanks mangusch And we can debate real athlete with

541
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 5: ski archery.

542
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: So I'm always interested in these like fringe sports, and

543
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 2: I'm so curious, like how did you even learn about

544
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: ski archery and how did you get into it?

545
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good question. So you know, obviously I

546
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 5: grew up as a competitive archer. I was just like

547
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 5: I think I was one of those kids. I just

548
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 5: went to summer camp and you know, picked up archery

549
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 5: and you know, just fell in love with it. And

550
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 5: it just happened like the camp counselor like lived down

551
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 5: the street for me, and he shot archery year round,

552
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 5: and so he invited me to, you know, start shooting

553
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 5: with him, and so like in I don't know, elementary school,

554
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 5: middle school, like I was kind of going around the

555
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 5: East Coast doing all these archery tournaments, and then like

556
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 5: I hit high school and like, archery is fun. I

557
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 5: learned a lot from it, but it was like a

558
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 5: little bit too mellow, and all my friends are doing

559
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 5: Nordic skiing and so I just picked it up and

560
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 5: then like learned about it and I'm like, wait, I

561
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 5: can combine these two things and this really obscure sport,

562
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 5: Like that sounds awesome and it's like the.

563
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: Most amazing ben diagram of things I'd never.

564
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 4: Put together totally.

565
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 5: And so yeah, I just started racing in the the

566
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 5: archery archery Bathlon and like I just was at the

567
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 5: right time, like it was starting to get bigger internationally

568
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 5: and had some opportunities to start traveling and racing, and yeah,

569
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Speaker 5: I did that from like nineteen ninety eight to like

570
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 5: two thousand and seven ish or so, and I raced

571
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 5: all over Europe in Russia, and yeah, it was a

572
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 5: good experience.

573
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: That's amazing. So when you started, how many people were

574
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: you competing against in the US?

575
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 4: Like pretty small?

576
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Nordic skiing is a pretty small

577
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 5: niche and then like if you add like biathlon, which

578
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 5: is the sort of the cousin sport, which just uses

579
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 5: you know, rightful instead of a bow and arrow that's

580
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 5: even smaller and then if you like take, it's like

581
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 5: even a smaller piece of that.

582
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: And chess boxing, which you know is that where they're

583
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: like rounds of chess and followed by boxing, Like it

584
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: has to be an okay chess player, but it helps

585
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: to be a really great boxer like Mike Dyson would

586
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: destroy Gary Kasparov. But do you have to be a

587
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: better skier archer and ski archery?

588
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question. I would probably say skier.

589
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 5: You have to be good at both for sure, but

590
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 5: fast gears tended to do better I think than just

591
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 5: straight archers.

592
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I know when you traveled abroad to competitions,

593
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: families would put you up. Could you tell us about

594
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: your Russian host family and how they welcomed you and

595
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: your computing there?

596
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, this cracks me up because you know, there's

597
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 5: this one race I did in like a Siberian outpost

598
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 5: and there's like no hotel. So yeah, I was put

599
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 5: up by host family, and uh, you know, I was

600
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 5: like in shape and like kind of living a monk lifestyle,

601
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 5: like eating pretty healthy and they were so tickled to

602
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 5: have like an American in their house. They wanted to

603
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 5: give me like the best hospitality possible, and they, like

604
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 5: the night before the race, like insisted that I just

605
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 5: take like vodka shot after vodka shot, and like then

606
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 5: they're like heated up there like wood fired sauna, and

607
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 5: like you know, like would accept like no.

608
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 4: For an answer.

609
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 5: So I went out there and like kind of craziness

610
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 5: just ensued with like a local policeman coming and all

611
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 5: of a sudden, we were firing his gun at like

612
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 5: pepsi cans in the backyard. I was not in tip

613
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 5: top race shape the next day, but I didn't know

614
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 5: if that was a yeah, part of like my competitors'

615
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 5: plan or what. But you know, years later, like I

616
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 5: don't think it mattered how we did in the race.

617
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 5: It was a pretty fun story and cool cultural experience

618
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 5: and yeah, I feel really lucky.

619
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: That's pretty awesome. So we want to put you to

620
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: a quiz because we always put our favorite guests to

621
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: a quiz. So this is called real discontinued Olympic event

622
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: or something we made up. I love it, Okay, So

623
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: the first one is tug of War. Is this a

624
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: real discontinued event or something we made up.

625
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 5: Oh, I I'm gonna go real event. I bet, I

626
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 5: bet in the old like you know. Really, I could

627
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 5: see this in early nineteen hundred, so I can see

628
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 5: I can see Tug of war.

629
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right. They had eight men team and England

630
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: was particularly good at it. And it was from nineteen

631
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: hundred to nineteen twenty. All right, one for one solo

632
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: synchronized swimming.

633
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to go made up.

634
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if we so I thought it was

635
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 2: it was fake too, but it's a real event. This

636
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: is from nineteen eighty four to nineteen ninety two, and

637
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: despite the name, apparently the synchronized is actually with the

638
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: music and not with other people.

639
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: Oh that is so good.

640
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?

641
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 5: We missed ot calling that gosh.

642
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: H tandem horse dancing.

643
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 6: Oh god, I want to say false, but after that

644
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 6: last one threw me for a loop tandem horse dancing,

645
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 6: it's I have to say false.

646
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's false, but I want it to be a

647
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: real event. For two men's snowman construction.

648
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: Two men, I'm gonna go false. I hope this is false.

649
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also false and number five swimming obstacle.

650
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: Course, well, we've only had one true one so far.

651
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: I don't know if that two hm true?

652
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So according to the Guardian, the discipline

653
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: required swimmers to clamber over a pole hovering just above

654
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: the surface of the water, scramble over a row of

655
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: parked boats, and then swim under another row of little ships.

656
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: And apparently people who grew up in harbors would tend

657
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: to win this competition.

658
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Dave one astounding four for five, which entitles

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Speaker 2: him to our top prize. A hand written note to

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Speaker 2: his wife or boss, singing his praises Dave Virgart, thanks

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Speaker 2: for being on Part Time Genius.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Part Time Genius. So one thing I

665
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: noticed while prepping for this episode is just how many

666
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: breakthrough innovations happened to coincide with the nineteen sixty Winter Olympics.

667
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Speaker 2: And it's not an exaggeration to say that the Games

668
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Speaker 2: would never be the same again after that year.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's a big statement, right, So what kind of

670
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: stuff were you thinking about?

671
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Speaker 2: Well, for starters, nineteen sixty was the year of the Zamboni.

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Speaker 1: The Zamboni So like the thing on the hockey rinks

673
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Frank Zamboni invented in nineteen forty nine and

675
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: he used it at his family owned rink, and then

676
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: it started to catch on with the public in the fifties,

677
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: especially after Sonya Henny bought one to take along on

678
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: her travels. And you remember Sonia Henny as the Norwegian

679
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: young kid.

680
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: I do remember her. And it was his name, really,

681
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: Frank Zamboni. That's awesome, Yeah, it was.

682
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 2: And when it came time for the nineteen sixty Games,

683
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: Zamboni's were finally ready to make their Olympic debut, so

684
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: they used Frank's padded method. The machine actually shaves the

685
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: surface of the ice and then sweeps away the shavings

686
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: and then it washes the ice though it's nice and

687
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: slick for skaters, and all these years later, Zamboni's are

688
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: still the gold standard.

689
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting fact.

690
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: I'm still not one hundred percent convinced you didn't sneak

691
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: that in just so you can say Zamboni. But anyway,

692
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: what else was big for the nineteen sixty Games.

693
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: Well, Zamboni's and Bonie's Ambonie well, the biggest game changer

694
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: that year was that the Olympics were televised for the

695
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: first time. And it's kind of hard to imagine today

696
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: when you can watch round the clock live coverage of

697
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: every single event, But until the nineteen sixties and the

698
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty Games in particular, the only people who could

699
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: watch the Olympics were those who attended them. And that

700
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: changed when CBS paid this tiny, paltry sum of fifty

701
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for exclusive broadcasting. Oh wow, yeah, I mean,

702
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: it's so little money, right, but it totally paid off

703
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: for the network and they saw record setting ratings that year,

704
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: but the athletes and organizers actually benefited from it as.

705
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Speaker 1: Well, So all right, so how's that?

706
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there was some confusion during the men's

707
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: slalom skiing event that year, and officials were unsure whether

708
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: one of the skiers had actually missed a gate during

709
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: his run. But thanks to this new deal with the

710
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: TV network, the officials actually had this chance to resolve

711
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: the matter, and they asked members of the CBS team

712
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: if they could review the tape to confirm what had happened.

713
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 2: CBS obliged, and in doing so, they actually came up

714
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: with something that became indispensable in all sports, the instant replay.

715
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Speaker 2: So that all started from the Winter Olympics.

716
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Speaker 3: Oh, that's pretty cool. I guess you're accurate. So nineteen

717
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: sixty was a pretty big year for the Winter Games.

718
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: But you know, actually one of my favorite innovations didn't

719
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: come along until almost thirty years later. It was in

720
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: the eighty eight Games in Calgary, and that was the

721
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Speaker 3: year when the National Research Council of Canada devised a

722
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: special all weather Olympic torch. This was to be used

723
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: in the traditional relay before the Games, and unlike previous torches,

724
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: this one was designed to be especially lightweight and it

725
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: was powered by this special fuel that allowed the flame

726
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: to stay lit during its eighty eight day, eleven thousand

727
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: mile trip across the Canadian tundra.

728
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Speaker 2: That's amazing across the tundra. And actually it reminds me

729
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: of something I read about this year's Olympic Torch relay,

730
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: which is going on right now. But apparently in December

731
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: there was one leg where the torch was carried by

732
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Speaker 2: the South Korean robot named Hubo.

733
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Speaker 1: Wait is that allowed I think it all had to

734
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Speaker 1: be people.

735
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Speaker 2: No, it can apparently, And the best part was that

736
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: Hubo used a power drill to cut a hole in

737
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Speaker 2: a wall and then he passed the torch over to

738
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Speaker 2: the inventor who created him.

739
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Speaker 3: That is a little bit ridiculous, but I mean also

740
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: a good reminder that the Olympics can be, you know,

741
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: pretty entertaining.

742
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes, especially when you add robots to the mix, which

743
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: is something South Korea is going all in on this year.

744
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was reading about how their Ministry

745
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: of Science is working with these local companies and so

746
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 3: they're rolling out new technologies all through the games. Like

747
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: apparently they've been testing these multilingual and autonomous robots at

748
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: the airports so they can guide visitors to correct gates

749
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: or provide information about flight times, and then when they

750
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 3: aren't busy with guests, they just roam around and clean

751
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: things up.

752
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

753
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: And so the hope is that the bots can be

754
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: put to work in pyeong Chang as a way to

755
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: get visitors around this language barrier there.

756
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: That's pretty neat And from everything I read, this year's

757
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 2: games are going to be like this true Techi paradise.

758
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: So aside from the full on robots. Hyundai has these

759
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: self driving buses that risk visitors around the host city,

760
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: and they've got a fleet of aerial drones they'll be

761
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 2: watching over the proceedings. And that's not just to help

762
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: broadcast events, but also for security purposes and maybe also

763
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: part of the entertainment offerings.

764
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Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll find out.

765
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Speaker 2: But the thing that'll catch most nerds attention is that

766
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: the Winter Olympics will be the test site for the

767
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: new five G mobile network, and so most of us

768
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: won't be able to connect to this new platform until

769
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, but for those in attendance, the network will

770
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: actually provide data speeds up to a thousand times faster

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Speaker 2: than the current networks.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

773
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: I mean that's fast enough to download almost a gig

774
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Speaker 2: of data in a single second.

775
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: That's pretty well all right.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've talked about some of these very you know,

777
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: tech heavy innovations that we should be seen, but there

778
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: are also some non tech based first that we should

779
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: look forward to as well. There was one of I

780
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: was reading about, you know. For example, Adam Rippon will

781
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Speaker 3: compete in figure skating as the first openly gay male

782
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: athlete to represent the US and the Winter Olympics, which

783
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: is kind of hard to believe that it's not until

784
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 3: this year that that's happening. But you know, all the

785
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: next activity aimed at homosexual athletes during the twenty fourteen Games,

786
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Speaker 3: and so Chi Adam's performance hopefully will be an uplifting

787
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 3: moment for many people at this year's event.

788
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of the first I'm most looking forward

789
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Speaker 2: to this year is Nigeria's debut at the Winter Olympics.

790
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: Huh.

791
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: The African nation will become the latest warm weather country

792
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: to buck the cold climate trend and that's all thanks

793
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: to its women's bobsled team.

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00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So it's kind of like cool Runnings all

795
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: over again.

796
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, And just like with the famous Jamaican bob

797
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: sled team, Nigeria's team is a total labor of love.

798
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: So they actually crowdsourced the seventy five thousand dollars they

799
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: needed on GoFundMe for like sleds and equipment and fees.

800
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Speaker 2: And according to the sled driver, her name is Seon

801
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: Attigan and anyway, this is her quote. I was inspired

802
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: to start the Nigerian women's bobsled team in hopes of

803
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: being the first ever African representative men or women to

804
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: qualify for the Winter Olympic Games in the sport of

805
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: bob sled.

806
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: Well, mission accomplished on that one. That's pretty neat and

807
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see how they do. You know,

808
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: this year more than others, I'm really.

809
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: Looking forward to the Games.

810
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: You know, things feel pretty divided these days, so it

811
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: does seem extra important to have this event where people

812
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: from all different regions and all different cultures they can

813
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: come together and you kind of celebrate what humanity is

814
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 3: capable of, and to do so in this friendly spirit

815
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: of competition that the Olympics.

816
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: Is really all about.

817
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: I know, and in South Korea, Yeah, no kidding, but

818
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: will I know the opening ceremonies are still a few

819
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: weeks away, but would you say we kick things off

820
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: early with the men's freestyle fact off event?

821
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: You know what, Mango, I say, let the Games begin.

822
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: So did you know that only one person has won

823
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: gold at both the Winter and Summer Olympics, and that

824
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: honor goes to American Eddie Egan. He won the light

825
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: heavyweight boxing event in the nineteen twenty Olympics, and over

826
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: a decade later he was part of the four man

827
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: Bob's led team that took gold at Lake Placid. There

828
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: are three other athletes that have won in winter and summer,

829
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: but Egan is the only one to take gold at both.

830
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Speaker 2: So I know, we were just talking about the Jamaican

831
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: bobsled team that got so much attention for the Calgary

832
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: Olympics and cooled runnings, and you know, the team was

833
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: kind of a punchline for a while, but they eventually

834
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: won their fans over because of their hard work and determination.

835
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: But what I didn't remember, and what most people probably

836
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: don't remember, is that the team still competes and they've

837
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: actually gotten much better. In fact, only six years after

838
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 2: those nineteen eighty eight games, the Jamaican team actually beat

839
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 2: both US teams in the event.

840
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: Wow.

841
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: I didn't know that either, all right, So, which country

842
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: is most dominant in a single sport? I was looking

843
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: ato this and you may remember that four years ago

844
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: in Sochy, the long track speed skaters from the Netherlands

845
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: took home something like seventy percent of the medals in

846
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 3: that sport.

847
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: I mean, just completely dominant, right.

848
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: But the Atlantic was looking back at metals over the

849
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: past eleven Olympics and they found that the most dominant

850
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: country in a single sport, those would be Germany's losures,

851
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: and they took home something like thirty seven percent of

852
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: medals over that period of time. Now, I should note

853
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: this would include East and West Germany as well as

854
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: the unified Germany, so they did get to have more

855
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 3: competitors over that period of time.

856
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: But that's still pretty remarkable.

857
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. So the only winter sport where an

858
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: American athlete has never meddled is the biathlon. But you know,

859
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: I have a feeling that they're gonna pull it off

860
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: this year. Yeah, But I mean, the truth is, I'm

861
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: saying that, like I know anyone who competes it.

862
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know exactly who does that, but

863
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: I hope that we win one there. So all right, Well,

864
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: earlier we mentioned Norway being a powerhouse in the Winter Olympics,

865
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: and it's even more impressive if you look at their

866
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: performance per capita. But approximately five million citizens, they're roughly

867
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: the same size as my home state of Alabama, and

868
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: they've won approximately one Winter Olympic medal for every seventeen

869
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: thousand residents. Now, I don't know if that sounds like

870
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: much or not. But compare that to the US, where

871
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 3: it's one for every one point two million.

872
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: So I like the fact, but I can actually top it.

873
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: And that's because everyone forgets about Liechtenstein.

874
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: I forgot about lickeden Stein.

875
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: So they've won a total of nine medals all in

876
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: alpine skiing, and that's actually close to one for every

877
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: forty two hundred people there.

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Speaker 3: That is pretty crazy that one out of every forty

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Speaker 3: two hundred people that.

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Speaker 1: Live there has won a medal.

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Speaker 2: That is, it's on all the recruiting materials.

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Speaker 1: Well, Mango, I have to admit it.

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Speaker 2: You have won it.

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Speaker 1: You win this week's fact Off Trophy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys for listening. That's it for today.

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Speaker 3: If we've forgot any great facts about the Winter Olympics

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Speaker 3: or just the Olympics in general, we'd love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you. It's part time genius at HowStuffWorks dot com.

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Speaker 3: You can always call us on our twenty four to

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Speaker 3: seven fact Hotline. It is still twenty four to seven mango.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 3: One eight four four pt genius. You can also hit

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Speaker 3: us up on Facebook or Twitter. Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again for listening. Part time.

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Speaker 3: Genius is a production of how stuff works, and wouldn't

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Speaker 3: things we couldn't even begin to understand.

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Speaker 2: Tristan McNeil does the editing thing.

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Speaker 3: Noel Brown made the theme song and does the mixy

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Speaker 3: mixy sound thing.

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Speaker 2: Jerry Rowland does the exact producer thing.

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Speaker 3: Gabelozier is our lead researcher, with support from the research

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Speaker 3: Army including Austin Thompson, Nolan Brown and Lucas Adams and Eves.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Gook gets the show to your ears. Good job, Eves.

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Speaker 1: Good review for us. Could we forget Jams Jason who