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Speaker 1: HOODI who Glamour Girls. This is just your weekly reminder

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it's been so long since we've done

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Speaker 2: a show. That's actually crazy.

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Speaker 1: I know we are leaving money on the table. I've

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Speaker 1: said it once and I'll say it again.

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Speaker 2: We are bad at our job as podcasters. But that's

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Speaker 2: what makes us relatable. And guess what, this show is

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Speaker 2: Pulitzer Prize winning Andrea long Tooo. Yeah, we're bringing a

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Speaker 1: You know, I have heard a rumor that she might

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Speaker 1: bring the physical prize and potentially, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: it would be fun if we actually if she gave

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Speaker 1: us the price then came on stage and we presented

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Speaker 1: can be like Radio Lab presents the Pulitzer Prizes.

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Speaker 2: Wait, that's actually unfortunately that's a whole new show that

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Speaker 2: we have to do. All right, We're doing it, but

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Speaker 2: check around, stick around. But anyway, see you at the

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Speaker 2: Bellhouse on.

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Speaker 1: Tickets are on our in our Instagram bio. But also

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Speaker 1: guess what, google it. Yeah, it's pretty easy. You're smart,

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Speaker 1: all right, enjoy the episode.

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Speaker 2: Bye okay. Podcast starts now. Wow. Wow, we are coming

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Speaker 2: in so deeply red hot, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I uh, you know, I'm gonna I think We're gonna

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Speaker 1: tell the story while maintaining a sense of empathy for

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Speaker 1: everyone involved. Empathy is so important to remember, while maintaining

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Speaker 1: a sense of social justice. Of course, we are coming

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Speaker 1: at everything we're about to say from a sense of

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Speaker 1: how do we redistribute wealth?

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Speaker 2: Of course, that is the key to everything that we

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Speaker 2: will be saying. But I also want to just counter

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Speaker 2: that slightly and say we will also be coming from

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Speaker 2: a place of self love self respect.

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Speaker 1: I have never had more self love or self respect

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Speaker 1: in my life, to the point where I would say

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Speaker 1: I'm romantically attracted to myself. Yeah, in a way that

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Speaker 1: feels a little perverse. It's sick even, it's nasty, it's disgusting,

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Speaker 1: and it's giving sort of it's very like you know,

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Speaker 1: when Janet Jackson on tour would do those especially sexy

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Speaker 1: parts where she like humped someone on stage, except I

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Speaker 1: have none of her grace or talent, so it seems

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Speaker 1: it's coming for me. It feels a little like whoa

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Speaker 1: it is okay, yeah, and it's you humping you, so

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Speaker 1: it's like really messy to look at it. Yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 1: I'm humping my own leg like a dog, like a dog,

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Speaker 1: like a very flexible dog. And by the way, yeah,

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Speaker 1: other people are in the room. I'm like doing this

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Speaker 2: But the whole thing is you don't care because you

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Speaker 2: are so filled with self love and self respect exactly.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, dead sober ten am.

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Speaker 1: This is not some sort of I don't have a

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Speaker 1: whether after the story maybe that's that's a solution to

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Speaker 1: our issues. I mean, when it comes down you know

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Speaker 2: No, you should say it. I like, I'm actually too biased,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know if I could be leading with

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Speaker 1: The thing, the thing with leading with love is like,

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Speaker 1: there is not a single person I can point to

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Speaker 1: public school ps. Sixty nine that we are part of. Sure, sure,

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Speaker 1: there's not a single person I can point to and

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Speaker 1: many people involved in a decision making process and communication

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Speaker 1: breaks down. And that leads me to my story, which

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Speaker 1: is that pretty much, we went into the building where

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Speaker 1: we record, Yes, gave our.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's ten am the time when we were

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Speaker 1: on first comedic sketch that you might find on let's

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Speaker 1: say SNL or the Catherine Tate Show if you're British.

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Speaker 1: That lasted approximately twenty five minutes. I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of sort of someone readding us to a list, then

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Speaker 1: But then the list, But then we would show the list,

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Speaker 1: We're like, well no, if they could come downstairs, then

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Speaker 2: And so then we are stuck downstairs.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want ever want to imagine this visual.

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Speaker 2: You know it's visually it's a fancy, fancy business ye building.

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Speaker 1: Fancy businessy building. People going in and out. We are

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Speaker 1: talking women with blazers that cost upwards of ten million dollars.

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Speaker 2: We are both dressed in collared shirts, and yet we

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm not even gonna look down at

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Speaker 2: Every single person that passed us, you could feel them

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Speaker 2: being like you, like, who let them in?

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Speaker 1: Well, we were holding coffee cups, people kept putting coins

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Speaker 2: Then to get denied at the door. It just like

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Speaker 2: in fact we should get them out of the city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of crazy to be on so many lists,

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Speaker 1: seventeen lists total, probably at this point, and yet to

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Speaker 2: The way that as soon as you were denied entry

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Speaker 2: like it's really hard for me not to be like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I run a fucking pot cast, right, you

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Speaker 2: know I have a fucking podcast that. Yeah, Vulture really

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Speaker 2: seems to like does that mean nothing in this town anymore?

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Speaker 1: Can I say something though, to bring it back with

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Speaker 1: social justice? Sure, because we have to acknowledge our own

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Speaker 1: psychoses here, m here's the thing. What we're mad about

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Speaker 2: Like we are, in fact.

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Speaker 1: We are coming from a place of elitism and and

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Speaker 1: you found privilege. Sure we are. Like, if it's a

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Speaker 1: allow in the iHeart studio? Suddenly suddenly you're being exclusionary.

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Speaker 1: You're like, well, no, we are because we're on the list.

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Speaker 1: We are not coming at it from like a liberatory

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Speaker 2: No, I have to disagree with you. I actually do

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Speaker 2: kind of think everyone should be on the list. I

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Speaker 2: think there should still be a door guy. Okay, but

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Speaker 2: you should be able to be like, no, I have

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Speaker 2: a meeting or whatever, and it can be a lie.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you're lying, but you do have

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Speaker 1: So you want to want the aesthetics of you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, what a fun story for them to tell. Be like,

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Speaker 2: I put on a hat, I went upstairs. No one

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Speaker 1: And guess what, maybe the rich people can go downstairs

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Speaker 1: for sort of like unethical tourism. Yeah, and they can

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Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I'm being so lower class right now. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So you want, basically like corporate America as a whole,

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Speaker 2: Well I want the door guy to be theater of course.

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Speaker 1: Well the door guy should be a very tall drag queen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the whole towering over you.

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Speaker 2: I'm I want bar culture. I want to show my

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Speaker 2: then it's like, go head upstairs. That would be fun,

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Speaker 2: Like you're you're over twenty one, go for it. Wow,

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Speaker 2: that's literally like that's kind of what I thought a

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Speaker 1: Well, it's so funny because I feel like you were

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, even as

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it never occurred to me.

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Speaker 2: Do you want a free macha? You know? I well,

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Speaker 2: I think the reason I want it to be so

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Speaker 2: so I want a corporate America to be a cabaret

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Speaker 2: is because whenever I walk into a building, I am

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Speaker 2: Like when he was like, are you visiting or do

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Speaker 2: you I'm like, mmm, I don't know, like visiting. I

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Speaker 2: guess I could be, but I also.

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Speaker 1: Could be working here. You know what this reminds me

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Speaker 1: stat but this reminds me of recently when you were

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Speaker 1: talking about someone and you were describing how uh there

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Speaker 1: and you were like, well, you know, I'm silly and

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Speaker 1: he's serious. Do you remember this?

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Speaker 2: No, who was I talking about? Oh? Yeah, you know what?

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm getting. That's what I'm getting again.

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Speaker 1: It's like, actually, what's going on is that you come

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Speaker 1: from the culture of silliness. Yeah, and you are rubbing

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Speaker 1: up against a culture of dead seriousness, like there is

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Speaker 1: no there's no sense of camp to whether someone is

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Speaker 2: Have some fun with it, you know. Yeah, it's also

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Speaker 2: like you everything's fake. Your job is fake. Everything like

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Speaker 2: being the door guy at the corporate building.

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Speaker 1: Come on, okay, if you're listening, your job is not

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Speaker 1: bad as the CEO of iHeart.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's job. I think it's all fake.

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Speaker 2: Like just let me up, let me up, and let

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Speaker 1: Books can be written. I mean, maybe your next book

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Speaker 3: It's just like how there's no longer truly a shirt

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Speaker 1: Like one of them was like a fake Mets merch,

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Speaker 1: and you're like.

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Speaker 2: Wear a suit.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's going to be counterculture suit.

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Speaker 1: Well, you you are wearing a T shirt? Would you

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Speaker 3: But it's a part of the problem and I cannot

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Speaker 2: Oh we are falling apart. The alarm is ringing, beepeep,

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Speaker 1: Well we've already been visually.

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Speaker 3: Wait.

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Speaker 2: I had something to say about that, and I completely forgot,

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Speaker 1: Well, because they give it out like hotcakes at every event,

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Speaker 2: Well it makes me fearful. I feel like bad for

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Speaker 1: But here's my thing with a twenty four merch, and

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Speaker 1: It's like for it to be out there like for someone.

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Speaker 1: You see an instagram of it, you see someone making

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Speaker 3: I haven't ever purchased any A twenty four merch, but

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll let you in a little secret. Oh the

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, I guess I'll go see another you

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Speaker 2: I think me thinks is back. Oh my god, okay,

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Speaker 1: Where did that come from?

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about shirts that go hard and like

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Speaker 2: is like gonna be coming back in a big way.

443
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Speaker 1: Well, it's sort of the flip side of indie sleeves.

444
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 1: It's like Indie sleeves is like the too cool for

445
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,640
Speaker 1: school people during that era, and the people that were

446
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 1: not too cool were like the interwebs.

447
00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,560
Speaker 2: Methinks yeah, and.

448
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 4: Guess what if any think production company?

449
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the interwebs?

450
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,639
Speaker 1: Me thinks, yeah, it's actually a twenty four is in

451
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,399
Speaker 1: house production company.

452
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 3: It's back to two thousand and six. Babe. We can

453
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 3: do this, We can go back.

454
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Speaker 2: I mean maybe we should add a Me thinks we should. Well, Okay,

455
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 2: the other day it came out of me, completely against

456
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 2: my will, and I was like, why did I say that?

457
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,199
Speaker 2: And then I was getting drinks with dear friends and

458
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 2: it came out of their mouths and they're cool.

459
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 3: What did they say? What context did they use?

460
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 2: Me? We were just having a drink and they said

461
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 2: something about like something about summer, and methinks this is

462
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: going to be a good summer or something. And I

463
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute, two people do it.

464
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Speaker 4: It's a drench No one flinched at the table.

465
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Speaker 2: No, I mean we laughed and we were like and

466
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Speaker 2: then I proposed that Me Thinks is back.

467
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Speaker 3: Wow, New York is amazed.

468
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Speaker 2: It's a center of culture.

469
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Speaker 1: I mean, there is a point sort of as as

470
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Speaker 1: things become as the concept of irony like eats its

471
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Speaker 1: own tail. It's like things go from earnest to ironic

472
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 1: so fast that they basically just are born as ironic

473
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Speaker 1: to begin with.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

475
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're like, I guess we will reach a

476
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Speaker 1: point where it's just like a sea of reference and

477
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 1: like it doesn't sort of matter which when you choose,

478
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Speaker 1: as long as you say a word.

479
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a word will be a reference to something I don't.

480
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Speaker 3: I mean, I I'm trying to think of how I

481
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Speaker 3: would use me Thinks. I know, I'm going to like

482
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Speaker 3: try to drop it into the episode at the perfect moment.

483
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Speaker 4: It's not going to hit the.

484
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Speaker 2: Way, No, it's gonna it's gonna You have such a

485
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Speaker 2: great sense of that stuff.

486
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Speaker 1: I do think you, of all people, could be the

487
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Speaker 1: the thought leader to bring me thinks back into the mainstream.

488
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: Just say it in all your book From now on,

489
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Speaker 1: every time you do an interview, you have to say

490
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Speaker 1: every sentence with.

491
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Speaker 3: Me thinks I'm going to the Mark Twain House tomorrow.

492
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Speaker 3: I feel like you will be who Yeah, me thinks it.

493
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Speaker 1: Will Oh my god, it's already happening.

494
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Speaker 3: I can feel it kind of feels good. Yeah, yeah,

495
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 3: it does feel I mean because I feel like, well,

496
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Speaker 3: I thought about me thinks as like a like a

497
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Speaker 3: kind of a Fendora coded Sure, thinks the lady.

498
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Speaker 1: Of course you're like.

499
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Speaker 4: Another drink yeah type of thing.

500
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: But that reminds me of I don't know, those aren't

501
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 3: the worst dates that I've been on with me.

502
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Speaker 1: You've been on dates with me, thinks because this is

503
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: a uniquely like sort of straight coded woman experience that

504
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: we like don't know about it. It's like meeting these

505
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: kinds because these kinds of straight men don't have like

506
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 1: gay friends obviously, so it's like it's this secret world,

507
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like sometimes you hear dating

508
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Speaker 1: stories from women, you meaning, like a gay guy hear

509
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: stories from women are like whoa like like in the movies,

510
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: like like there are guys like that and realize, yeah, yeah,

511
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: there are.

512
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Speaker 3: They're out there and they don't have any friends that

513
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 3: will tell them that. It's like a confusing and disorienting

514
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 3: thing to do.

515
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Speaker 2: Do you ever, is it like a do you like

516
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Speaker 2: stop the date? If they're like that, are you like, well,

517
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: let's see where it goes.

518
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Speaker 3: I've never stopped a date in my life because I'm

519
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 3: afraid and so, but no, I this one I'm thinking

520
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: of was like a guy I had a crush in

521
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 3: high school. Like it was like a date that was

522
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 3: like seven years in the making. I'd gotten out of college,

523
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: I'd gotten out of this horrible relationship, and I like

524
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: ran into him when I was visiting home and he

525
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 3: thinks that we should go on a little date one day,

526
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 3: and I was like so thrilled. That takes all my

527
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: friends from high school. And it turns out he was

528
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: a methinks type the whole time. He really wanted some

529
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: like foamy IPAs with me and to catch up. I

530
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: haven't seen him since, but he wore a fun little

531
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: hat man and he thinks I needed a second drink,

532
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: and he was right about that, and then I left.

533
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: Damn me.

534
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: Thinks the lady would like another glass of ale, some grog.

535
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

536
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 3: Can we bring that grog? Could? Is there a place

537
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 3: where we could get D and D language into everyday life?

538
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean then it's always tough.

539
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: It's always tough when you circle around the gene field

540
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: of nerd culture. Yeah, you know what I mean, because

541
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: it's so loaded. It is because it is simultaneously the

542
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: underdog and what is dominating the entire entertainment industry at

543
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: any given.

544
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Speaker 3: Point, when you say something about it, you don't realize,

545
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 3: or when you say something negative about it, you're hurting

546
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: someone you love. You don't know.

547
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Speaker 2: Chris Hardware.

548
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Speaker 3: I love Chris hard No, No, I don't care how

549
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 3: big his house is. I don't care how far they

550
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: put him into into Hurst mansion.

551
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 2: I think the gay equivalent. I was recently at like

552
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: a gay campground where like I'd say, you know, there

553
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: were some lovely people there, but I do think the

554
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: humor level was lacking in sort of a similar way

555
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: where it was like I heard people like playing volleyball,

556
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: and I overheard them be like, oh, what should our

557
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: team name be? And then one of them goes, oh,

558
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 2: the sexy bitches, and then everyone that is amazing, and

559
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: it was like, that's we need to hold ourselves to

560
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: a higher standard.

561
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: People can't tell about impressing the button that launches me

562
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: into outer space and it's not work.

563
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Speaker 3: That also feels very two thousand and six.

564
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: It's very sick. It's very like if you can put

565
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: it on a mug, you shouldn't say it out loud,

566
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: Like you need to to think bigger. And I understand

567
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 2: that we all come to this place to relax and

568
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: let our hair down, but and maybe it's a slow process.

569
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: You don't need to be there immediately, but like, next

570
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: time you're here, I need you to have a higher

571
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: level of you.

572
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Speaker 4: We can do better than sexy bitches.

573
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Speaker 3: I mean, how many master's degrees do you think we're

574
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: on that volleyball team?

575
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, at least too just.

576
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 4: Absurd, just ridiculous.

577
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Speaker 2: People when they I understand people are trying to be

578
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 2: polite by like laughing at everything, but it really really

579
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: teaches the wrong lesson sometimes. Yeah, sometimes it's so powerful

580
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: to hold back that laugh.

581
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Speaker 1: Sam tag, you're railing against participation trophies in our culture.

582
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Speaker 2: I can't help it. I'm so cranky. I'm gonna be

583
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: an absolute.

584
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: You are, in fact the going off alarm has been wrong?

585
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: Do you think we should do our first segment and

586
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: then absolutely rush into talking about the topic aka the

587
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: book that is sponsoring this episode?

588
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we should absolutely do the first segment.

589
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: Jamie Loftis two time guests, Jamie Loftis. Our first segment

590
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: is called straight Shooters, and in this segment we ask

591
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: you a series of rapid fire questions. We have to

592
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 1: choose one thing or another thing to test your familiarity

593
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: with and complicity in straight culture. And the one rule

594
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 1: is you can't ask any follow up questions about how

595
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: the game works, and if you do, we.

596
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: Will quite literally do verbal abuse to you.

597
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Speaker 4: I really like that, Okay, I have no questions.

598
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Sam okay, Jamie yes, sipping a cold brew or sucking

599
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Speaker 2: a hot dude.

600
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: Sucking a hot dude?

601
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Jamie eating a sloppy Joe or voting for sleepy

602
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: Joe eating.

603
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 4: A sloppy Joe.

604
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: Okay. Paul McCartney's temporary Secretary or mgmt's oracular spectacular.

605
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 3: Good ooh, I think oracular spectacular. That's so embarrassing.

606
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Jamie strutting your stuff on the red carpet, or

607
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: saying that's enough at the farmer's.

608
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: Market, stretting my stuff with the red carpet. I don't Yeah,

609
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 3: I don't have the confidence to go to the farmer's market.

610
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: Okay, marrying your high school sweetheart, or burying your college

611
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: bachelor of arts and your parents'.

612
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 4: Basement, burying my my bachelor.

613
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: Of arts for sure, Stacy's mom has got it going on.

614
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: Or our father who art in.

615
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: Heaven, our father who are in heaven. That's making a

616
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 3: comeback as well.

617
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Speaker 2: Yes, very much. Religion so big right now, Pip Pip

618
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: Cheerio or criss cross Apple sauce.

619
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: I'm laughing already, Tgan, Tegan and Sarah or Reagan in Power.

620
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna kill myself.

621
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, not again, not a yes, keep

622
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: doing that.

623
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: We're too high up. We need to stop recording in.

624
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: The Red Room. In the Red Room scan taken in.

625
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: Wow, that was really good.

626
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: That was a really good performance in Power.

627
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: Damn, I think nine hundred and ninety nine doves.

628
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we rank you from one to one thousand doves.

629
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: I gotta agree that it's a nine to ninety nine situation.

630
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: I'll take it. I'll take it.

631
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: I actually find that that was a cleansing little segment.

632
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that's sort of a I have found the

633
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: point of that segment is like, no matter what directions

634
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: we are going in, you're completely unstructured. We can get

635
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: back on track. I do want to address one thing

636
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: you said, which is that the choices were between a

637
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: red carpet and a farmer's market. You chose red carpet

638
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: and said, I don't have the confidence to go to

639
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: a farmer's market.

640
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: I would feel I would is there nothing there? I

641
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: feel like I have never been to a farmer's market.

642
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: I walked through them.

643
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: Sure, but once again, you're comparing it to a red carpet,

644
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: the most elite of spaces.

645
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: You're like a red carpet, I feel at home.

646
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Speaker 3: I would feel better because no one is like asking me.

647
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: No one would ask me a question. I don't know

648
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: the answer to that.

649
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: I think they would. The red carpet is a stage,

650
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: and a farmer's market is like an interpersonal event. Like

651
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: I think the farmer's market you have to like you

652
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: are going, You're waiting in line at someone's stand, and

653
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: then you have to be like, what cheese do you have?

654
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: And if they're like I have these four cheeses and

655
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: I've never heard of them, I'm gonna be like, yeah,

656
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: I guess I don't like any of those.

657
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: Bye. Yeah. I hate small businesses.

658
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's start there.

659
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: And I hate people, you know, doing their best and

660
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: making it on their own, connecting with their community. It

661
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: stresses me out, No, but I like there. And then

662
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: if you're on a red carpet, I'm assuming you could also.

663
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: It's like not inappropriate to be like where should I go?

664
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Speaker 4: Is it a lot?

665
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: Like I feel like you can ask actual questions and

666
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: it's just like a good brain dead environment. Yeah, where

667
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: you just have to look okay and people will ask

668
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: you the easiest questions of your life and you don't

669
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: need to know about ingredients.

670
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.

671
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: A red carpet it's like costplaying sort of like feudalism,

672
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: Like it's like the worst of income inequality, capitalism, you

673
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: know whatever. Whereas the farmer's market is costplaying communism, and

674
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: it is telling that I would know what to do

675
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: more in the red carpet situation than in the farmer's market.

676
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: Like in the red car I'm like, I have seen

677
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: enough footage of red carpets I have. I can so easily,

678
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: like you, so easily look at it, and you're like, Okay,

679
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: those are the reporters, those are the stars.

680
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: That's the carpet.

681
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: That's where everyone's going. You know what's going on at

682
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: the farmer's market. It is true that you feel like

683
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: you might make a mistake, and also then the meta

684
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: part of that is like, and then you feel bad

685
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: that you are not that you don't know your place

686
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: within a communist state.

687
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and.

688
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: It's I don't know. This is like I'm bringing my

689
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: own anxieties to the table, to the red room. But

690
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: I do feel like I fear judgment within the farmer's

691
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: market space. I don't like I think if I ask

692
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: the wrong question, someone will be deeply annoyed me.

693
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: Farmer's markets are like the record stores of food.

694
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: Yes, totally, yes.

695
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: I yeah, And I don't have the clothes, and it's

696
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: it's so hot outside and I don't know. I just

697
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: can't do it.

698
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: I can't do it. All right, We'll see you on

699
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: the right carpet, on.

700
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: The right carpet with your non locally sourced meats.

701
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like munching on pursuoto on the red carpet,

702
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: corporate corporate.

703
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: Prosuo, pepperoni, wrapped cheese, or perhaps a hot dog. Oh

704
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: look at that.

705
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: Oh small business.

706
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: So Jamie, you know it's funny. I was at your

707
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: I performed even you did. Yeah, well one could say that,

708
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: I could say if one was being literal, because I did.

709
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: I I was.

710
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: I performed at your big launch book launch, New York

711
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: book launch, because you've alread launched it in LA.

712
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: It needs to be launching everything.

713
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: It does, it does am I Hertford.

714
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, exactly clear Carver, But I want to I

715
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: was really raving about it to my living partner last

716
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: night because I was like, you know, he's a writer,

717
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: and you know, you tend to sort of go to

718
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: a lot of book events that are like you go

719
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: to like the ninety second Street y you go to

720
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: like a bookstore, and it's like the author in conversation

721
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: with I'll say it's someone with no screen presence, and

722
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: then you just like are seeing them talk like go

723
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: back and forth and back and forth. The author is

724
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: making some sort of like MFA references. Everyone in the

725
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: crowd literally has an MFA, so they're all like so true,

726
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: so true, and it's just sort of like, why hasn't

727
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: anyone hacked a way to make this form more enjoyable?

728
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: Then I go, I go to your event last night,

729
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: we're talking there is stand up comedy you are. You

730
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: had three costume changes, you brought up three different special

731
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: guests that were not comedians, that were each contributing something

732
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: different that had to do with hot dogs. There was

733
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: literally a point when you were interviewing one of the

734
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: guests where I teared up.

735
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: Wait, which the hot dog?

736
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: He was amazing.

737
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: Jamie was interviewing this guy, what's his name. His name's

738
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: Dan Rossi, Dan Rossi, who is who has a hot

739
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: dog cart outside the met and was talking about how

740
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: he has been sued by basically every New York mayor,

741
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: starting with like Juliani and also by Donald Trump, and

742
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: he's like an every time I win, and he's like

743
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: probably like you know, seventy eight years old or.

744
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: Something, yeah, oh yeah, And then he did he had

745
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: I mean, he had a bar where he was like

746
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: and you have to like just keep fighting and like

747
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: follow your dreams and if you keep standing, you'll win.

748
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: And then everyone's like, yeah.

749
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: It was just cool.

750
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: But it was just like I was like, Wow, just

751
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: put on a variety show if you want to save books.

752
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: It's not that hard.

753
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: It's not that hard.

754
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: It's more fun and it's less like, I don't know,

755
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: it's like less work for me on stage totally.

756
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 4: I can get breaks.

757
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so maybe think about that next time, Hanya Yannagahara.

758
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: Jamie, is it stressful for you to single handedly have

759
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: the book industry on your back?

760
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: Yes, but I feel ready.

761
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: No, I've been. I've I really like, I don't know,

762
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: it's like I've never worked within publishing before, and it's

763
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: really interesting to like putting these events together has been

764
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: so bizarre and fun because I'm just like, oh, oh,

765
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: I'm going to have this, like I'm gonna have some

766
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: stand ups on the show, and it's like.

767
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: You've reinvented the wheel.

768
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: Hold on, you're doing what It's like, this happens every

769
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: day in your neighborhood.

770
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: In these same venues again, in.

771
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: These same cavernous room there are stand ups doing a

772
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: little set, but like, in this way it is revolutionary

773
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I would love to take credit for

774
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: the idea of shows we've been doing for a decade

775
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 3: and be like, and I'm kind of like changing the narrative.

776
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm changing the narrative around book. So I want to

777
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: know a little bit about Like I mean, I do

778
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: think we should get into how hot dogs are straight,

779
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: because of course that is I think such a complimentary

780
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: because I feel like, and I have not read the

781
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: book yet, that's okay, but based on what I know

782
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: about it and what you talked and the readings you

783
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: did last night, I feel like a big part of

784
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: it is like hot dogs are American, hot dogs are capitalism,

785
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: hot dogs are class war, hot dogs are inequality, and

786
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: I think potentially the missing link with all of it,

787
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: it's like the complimentary thing to every idea rais in

788
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: the book is where do they fall on the Kinsey scale.

789
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: I feel like it's changing. I feel optimism. Now this

790
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: is where I need to talk about social justice as well.

791
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: Please is I think that things actually are changing, and

792
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: in the last fifteen twenty years, the hot dog has

793
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 3: grown increasingly queer. But that doesn't mean.

794
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: That we're there exactly.

795
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 3: It just doesn't.

796
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.

797
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 3: There after I got that I got last night on stage,

798
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: like right before the show, I got an email from

799
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: my algebra.

800
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: Two teacher that was like, you guys talk often.

801
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: Haven't heard from him since tenth grade since he gave

802
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: me a C plus in his class. Oh my god,

803
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: yeah I did not. I was like, and he reached

804
00:36:53,840 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: out through my little website page and he said like, hey,

805
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: I saw that you released a book. I was your

806
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: teacher in tenth grade. I really think you should write

807
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: about math in your next book. I think it's really

808
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: important to get the message out, the message being math.

809
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: Lord, I've seen what you've done for hot dogs? Could

810
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: you do that al two?

811
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: Which is wild because he has to remember how bad

812
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,479
Speaker 3: I was at it.

813
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: That also makes you think like someone's so single minded.

814
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, if he had the energy to email

815
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: you that, that means that his entire day is basically

816
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: reaching out to various people and asking them to promote math.

817
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: You can't be the first on it, you know, it's

818
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't think this is

819
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: like the first time he's done this.

820
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: I'm not an ideal candidate, Like, it doesn't really make

821
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: sense for him to have done it. But yeah, so

822
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, there's all these missing I thought

823
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: I hit every angle on the hot dog. Clearly I

824
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 3: missed the math totally. That's already been brought to my attention.

825
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: And now I didn't discuss the Kinsey scale.

826
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: Well you have to, you did, We should say. The

827
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: book is called Raw Dog, and it's sort of part

828
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: cultural history of the hot dog and part travelogue of

829
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: this road trip that you took in the summer of

830
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one going around the country eating approximately seven

831
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: hot dogs a day. From what I just did, that's correct. Yeah,

832
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: you did have one thing.

833
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, I didn't realize.

834
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, quite a few, quite a few. Yeah your town.

835
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: Did that hurt or yeah it did. It didn't feel good,

836
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: and I feel like it did send me into sort

837
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: of like a I don't know, because it's like twenty

838
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 3: twenty one, so you're already sort of in a psychosis state.

839
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: But eating that much hot dogs certainly did not improve

840
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: the situation. And then people like will give you hot

841
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: dogs once they.

842
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: Find oh yeah, so it.

843
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 4: Those numbers can even go up. It was pretty gnarly.

844
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was there reached a point where I just like,

845
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, my brain would I was like sleeping

846
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: really hard, yeah, really hard, in a lot and the

847
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: rest of the day I was eating hot dogs and

848
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: taking notes about them and stuff.

849
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so crazy that the sort of the journey

850
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: of doing creating something that is about a topic is like, Okay,

851
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: you're like, you pick a topic you love or are

852
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: interested in, and you're like, great, So now I'm gonna

853
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: like sort of drive this to the ground. And the

854
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: goal is like by the end of it, inevitably you

855
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: will be so sick of it.

856
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it didn't really happen.

857
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: But it didn't happens.

858
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I was so excited last night. I mean,

859
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily thrilled to eat hot dogs at this

860
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: late stage, but I'm still excited about the hot dog

861
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: community and i've been so that is actually something I

862
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: was thinking about with professional eating in the hot dog

863
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: sphere specifically, because it's really like it's gotten worse over time.

864
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: And I was trying to confront noted hot dog eater

865
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: Crazy Legs.

866
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: About this last night.

867
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: Who was one of the guests last night was a

868
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: professional eater.

869
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, and that's his legal name, so I can't

870
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: tell you what his real name.

871
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: That is his real name, But so I was.

872
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 3: Trying to sort of Grill Crazy Legs towards the end

873
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: of the show about sort of the gender politics of

874
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: the hot dog Eating Contest because it used to be

875
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: all genders and then they split it into a men's

876
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: contest and women's contest, and I was like, has anyone

877
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: ever challenged like that? Or have there are there like

878
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: non binary hot talg eaters? Are their queer hot dog eaters?

879
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: Like and they we don't know, we don't know, we

880
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 3: don't know, and like I've I've looked, there's like the

881
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: most I can find in terms of like, uh, pushing

882
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: back against these decisions. Uh, is the women's contest wants

883
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: to be back on ESPN and not ESPN three.

884
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 4: Where they are now.

885
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: Whoa damn is ridiculous. It genuinely makes me upset. But

886
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: outside of that, I'm like, there's I don't I'm like, maybe,

887
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: I mean, there has to be queer hot dog or

888
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: maybe not, Like I don't know, I'm trying to trying

889
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 3: to learn more.

890
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean I would like for there to be.

891
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also listen.

892
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: I'm opening the floor.

893
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: You know what there is.

894
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you some sort of Fourth of July

895
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: drag queen that is sort of faking doing a blue

896
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: job to.

897
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 2: A hot dog.

898
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 3: I have seen a hot dog eating contest with drag queens.

899
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: Yeah now that now that Yeah, yeah, I have seen it.

900
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: But I'm like, we gotta get we gotta get them

901
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: in the league.

902
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

903
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: No, totally. The queering the hot dog, you know, it's

904
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: a dangerous. Uh, it's a dangerous process. Because here's my

905
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: here's my guess, not knowing much about this world, is

906
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: the more you queer the hot dog, the more you

907
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: sort of gentrify it. Like I when I imagine like, oh,

908
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: we're a queer owned hot dog vendor and they're called

909
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: justice dogs. Yeah, it's kind of it's look under that hood,

910
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: there's no justice to be found.

911
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: It's kind of PORTLANDI a sketch at that point. Yes,

912
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: I see, it's almost Yeah, it's again to queer, it

913
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: would be to politicize it and to call it straight,

914
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: whereas right now it's almost like assumed straight but ignored,

915
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: like it's like.

916
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: Well it's so straight that it is not. It does

917
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: become almost camp like that. The visual of the hot

918
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: dog is inherently ridiculous and funny. Yeah, you know, it's

919
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: like because it's so American it's so ridiculous. It's so phallic,

920
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: like it would be so sort of like besides the

921
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: point for us to be like, Okay, why are hot

922
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: dogs straight? Well, first of all, they're fallic like, second

923
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: of all, they're unhealthy. Third of all, they're not vegan.

924
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, we know.

925
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: I actually think one reason though that is a sort

926
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: of among that list. Yeah, so they're so easy to cook.

927
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: I think that is part of what makes us straight.

928
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: Oh totally.

929
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: And it's like it's like that's why grilling is so straight,

930
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: because it's like, what if cooking was easy and men

931
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: could do it and look tough.

932
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many there, so much like straight dad

933
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: ness to like almost everyone I would talk to, they'd

934
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: be like, Oh, that's the food my dad would make me.

935
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 3: That's the food my dad would make me because you

936
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: couldn't make shit. Yeah, and you're like, oh, this is

937
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: the food that makes you love your dad's pad. You'd

938
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: be like, Wow, you really put in an effort that day.

939
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean talk about Freudi and that the food dad's

940
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: make is like a giant.

941
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, your dad's boiling up a bunch of cops with

942
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 3: the family and You're like, he's really doing his best.

943
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: He really is. Meanwhile, my mom is making sloppy Joe's

944
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: from scratch, slaughtering the cow outside yoursell. Yeah, and I'm

945
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: hating it second of it. Where's the fucking food?

946
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

947
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: When I think back to, like how much of a

948
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: bitch I was about my mom's cooking when I was

949
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: a kid, and no part of it did not cross

950
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: my mind that it was I was being hurtful. I

951
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: mean this, you know obviously when I was young, No,

952
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: when I was like seventeen, but you know, it's like

953
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: you're I remember she would make this one like meat loaf,

954
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: and I would always very performatively like be like, well, it's.

955
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: Hard because you are at their mercy, so it's really

956
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: hard to be like have notes. Yeah, Like I even

957
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: remember like getting groceries and like when I would be

958
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: like I don't like this type of cookie, Like I

959
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: need you to stop getting me this. I'd rather have

960
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: nothing than have to eat this.

961
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: Wow, howd it go over?

962
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: Not great? It would always I would like be hurtful,

963
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be that bitchy. I was, you know,

964
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: not a thirty something gay man.

965
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: But you haven't learned. Now you go back and you're

966
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: so bit and your mom cries.

967
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 2: She cries, but she's also like, but honestly, work, Oh

968
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: my god.

969
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I do. I wish that there

970
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: was more. There is more gay hot dog culture, totally.

971
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's time, We've got time. I feel

972
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 3: like if and also, it just takes a champion. I

973
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 3: think I was trying to think if there was a

974
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 3: place I went to on the trip was owned by

975
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 3: not some.

976
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: Guy totally straight guy, or even if there are any

977
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: people you interacted with, whether they were customers or fans

978
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, that were visibly queer.

979
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: So the crowns at my show are very queer.

980
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: And so I'm trying.

981
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, this is this is the opportunity to

982
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: really And then last night, Crazy Legs Kanti gave the

983
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: whole crowd of like fucking two hundred people the the

984
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: location for the after party for the fourth of July

985
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: Hot Dot contest, as well as the password you give

986
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: it the door swordfish whoa. And so Crazy Legs Kanti

987
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: has invited the floodgates. That's and and to invite you know,

988
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 3: a heavily queer audience to see Joey Chestnut, and I

989
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: think we could really get some results. The place that

990
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of that I am pretty sure was owned

991
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 3: by a queer couple. But it was in like deep Georgia,

992
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: so they were like it was ambiguous, but it was.

993
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: And they were so mean to me.

994
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: They're hiding and they don't want you to expose them. Yeah,

995
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: here you're on a podcast outing them.

996
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: I won't say where I was, but I'm pretty sure,

997
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 3: but I so. I went is early in the morning

998
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 3: and their specialty was this hot dog that was like

999
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 3: a breakfast hot dog, wet covered in beans. They they'd

1000
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: been working together for many years. Uh, they lived together,

1001
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: they run the business together, and that's all they have

1002
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: to say about it. One they were in some sort

1003
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: of argument when I got there about how one was

1004
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: afraid of chickens growing up.

1005
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: This is two men now women.

1006
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were in some sort of performative argument, and

1007
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: everyone was loving it. Apparently this happens a lot, and

1008
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: everyone's loving it. One of them was wearing a big

1009
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: dog T shirt like they're awesome, and they made me

1010
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: like a pretty gnarly hot dog. It was like slap

1011
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: the bun down on the and then you know, making no,

1012
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: I appreciate this, making no, Like what am I trying

1013
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 3: to say? Not trying to hide the fact that the

1014
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: one was from a grocery store and was just out

1015
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: of the bag, slaps it down right, pulls out, you know,

1016
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: takes the tongs, takes the hot dog, can of beans,

1017
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: can of hot beans, so the bread is essentially just

1018
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 3: like liquid gluten at this point, and then you know,

1019
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: puts it in front of me and I'm trying to

1020
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: make conversation. I want to make contact. I want to

1021
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 3: know more about them, and it's like, oh, am I

1022
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: the first person to order a hot dog today? And

1023
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 3: they couldn't have been meaner about it. They were like, no,

1024
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 3: there's been people coming here since five in the morning

1025
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: for this, and then turned around and walked away and

1026
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: then like continue their argument about one woman's sphere of chickens.

1027
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: Wow, I really liked it.

1028
00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, the.

1029
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: Most queer moment from your research was two closeted lesbians

1030
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: pouring a can of beans. Yes, what would you say

1031
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: were the straightest moments?

1032
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: Oh, the straightest moments. There was a lot of I mean,

1033
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: it's kind of hard to choose, I mean being it

1034
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: depends on if you consider the Nathan's Contest camp, because

1035
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: I feel like it does sort of so I wouldn't

1036
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: even say that that's the straightest thing involved. I feel

1037
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: like the straightest thing that was Like in New Mexico,

1038
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: I was at this car park and it was a

1039
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 3: guy who would run the place with his wife for

1040
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: like forty years, and I ordered a hot dog and

1041
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: instead of writing the order down, he instead complained that

1042
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 3: no one wants to work anymore for like ten minutes

1043
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 3: and then took my orders.

1044
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: Classic.

1045
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm addicted to that. I think it's so fun. Sorry,

1046
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: I have a different story, but keep going.

1047
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: But also the concept of a car park that's such

1048
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: a sort of straight. It's like take a park, you know, nature, beautiful,

1049
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: butterflies car.

1050
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 3: And it is like it was whatever originally designed for

1051
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 3: straight teenagers to finger each other football games.

1052
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 4: So it is, yeah, the car park setting.

1053
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: Now it's been gentrified by straight hot dog ventures.

1054
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty straight setting. The car park.

1055
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: Wow, when I was in Chicago, I used to live

1056
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: in Chicago, and they're a real hot dog place. They're

1057
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: obsessed with the stuff, And in that space, I felt

1058
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: like it was almost able to become queer because it

1059
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: was like part of it had like a specific ritual

1060
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: and a specific little dance to it, and like like

1061
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: if you know, you know, like it's got to be

1062
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: like this, and everyone has like their favorite place, and

1063
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: it was like this thing where even though they live

1064
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 2: in Chicago and have live in Chicago forever, it's still

1065
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: like fun to get the hot dog and that surprised me.

1066
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: It felt very to their chosen family. Is that the

1067
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: future of do you think that will spread? Do you

1068
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: think there's a way like the hot dog could become

1069
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: more integral, more beloved, more seen as like something valued

1070
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: than something like accepted.

1071
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: I think so. But it's also it's like, yeah, it's

1072
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 3: the fine line between because it's like cities like New

1073
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: York and Chicago and La also underrated. La eats the

1074
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 3: most hot dogs per capita of anyone in the country,

1075
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: but we're not, you know, talking about it.

1076
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 2: That's crazy, it's.

1077
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 3: A shocking fact, but it is true. There's a lot

1078
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: of hot dog places and a lot of hot dogs

1079
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: in LA. I think that the because of the culture

1080
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 3: of LA, it's downplayed. There's a lot of great hot dogs,

1081
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: but like cities have hot dog infrastructure. But it's like,

1082
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 3: if you're building hot dog infrastructure in a city, now,

1083
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: it's going to be super gentrified, and it's like, well,

1084
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 3: how do you how do you split the difference? I

1085
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: don't know. I feel like you got to get like

1086
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: places from like small businesses from like Chicago and New

1087
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: York and even even Michigan. Let's go nuts and then

1088
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 3: Ohio while we're at it, and get them to do

1089
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: like small franchises. Yeah, and hopefully not like get out

1090
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: of control, because there's a bunch of places. The thing

1091
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 3: with la hot dog culture is that I'm talking too

1092
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: much about hot No, No, it's the whole point is that,

1093
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: like they there's a lot of gentrified ones downtown that

1094
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: essentially like rip off Mexican hot dog recipes and then

1095
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 3: sell them for fourteen.

1096
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: Dollars, got it.

1097
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: So it's like, well, how do we get someone to

1098
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: not do that. There's a place in Chicago I would

1099
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: love to franchise called Fatso's Last Stand.

1100
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that so good. Well, it

1101
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: definitely implied some drama.

1102
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's holding on for your life.

1103
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: That's me against the music.

1104
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 4: I mean, Fatso is I regret to inform you dad.

1105
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's the way a few years ago.

1106
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: But he was like so funny and he people I

1107
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 3: think they tried to cancel him. They tried to cancel

1108
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 3: him for body shaming himself.

1109
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 2: Wow, the woke mob, Oh my god, the woke.

1110
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 3: Mob came for Fatso Fatso's last stand.

1111
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: He didn't even live through. It killed him.

1112
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 4: Cancel culture, but it's so good. I don't know.

1113
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: And they have like yell those freaky Chicago rituals with

1114
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: the hot dog where they're like, don't touch the counter

1115
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: or like I like it and yelled at a little bit.

1116
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: Hot Dog Culture is getting yelled at.

1117
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, well is it that place, the Wiener Wi Circle?

1118
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: It's like their whole deal.

1119
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: No one I went like last month and no one

1120
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: yelled at me. They couldn't have been nicer.

1121
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: Oh maybe under new management.

1122
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: I actually don't know about this.

1123
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 2: Weird Circle is a place in Chicago that's like you

1124
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: go there and people they yell at you and they

1125
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: call you a bitch and you like order the dog

1126
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 2: and they're like, here you go, you hungry bitch or whatever.

1127
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: That's a pretty campy hot Oh that's fun, that's queer.

1128
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fully LGBT h is kink positive.

1129
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: It is.

1130
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: It's okay if you come, yeah exactly when.

1131
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: They yell at you. Yeah, but they're like the they

1132
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: famously there's like this American there's.

1133
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 2: This life about it because there are there's also like

1134
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: a complicated racial element because like it's in like a

1135
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: white neighborhood, but it's like a lot of black employees,

1136
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: and it's like, this is weird and potentially problematic. I see, I.

1137
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: See, I see they did I when I first learned

1138
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: about because I didn't know anything about anything when I

1139
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 3: started doing this, and when I learned about the WAIM circle,

1140
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: they were only doing drive up and so it was

1141
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: like drive up verbal abuse and it looks even more bizarre,

1142
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: like in the space of the restaurant, you're like, this

1143
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 3: is what happens here, Like everyone is like welcome to

1144
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 3: have their criticism of it because it is like pretty bizarre.

1145
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: But but taking it to the sidewalk was very strange.

1146
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1147
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: Well, also, I mean, obviously it's always sort of heart

1148
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: when employees are forced to do a gimmick as part

1149
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: of their job, whether it's something as simple as like

1150
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: wearing pieces of flair or like class resort like in

1151
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: cold Stone, where they have to like sing every time

1152
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: you tip them, things like that. But there is another

1153
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: layer of weirdness when the thing they have to do

1154
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: is berate the customers.

1155
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and then if and then the customers who

1156
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 3: show up, if they're not berated, they're.

1157
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 4: Like me disappointed?

1158
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: Right, And what is that?

1159
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 4: I kind of I was, I was kind of reliefs.

1160
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,479
Speaker 2: Well did you go? I think it also gets more

1161
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: mean because it's like a late night place too.

1162
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. I went at like three pm, and I think

1163
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: that they were They're like, this.

1164
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 4: Is the nice shift. Yeah, this is where we just

1165
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 4: want to get through.

1166
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 3: The shift after me. Yeah, yeah, I think it's late

1167
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: at night. There was another There was another place. There's

1168
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: this guy in Berkeley. The theme of the restaurant is

1169
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: like seventies era libertarianism. It's that was a pretty straight space.

1170
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's such a stressful.

1171
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: Intersect with hot dogs. So I read a book.

1172
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 3: He he doesn't know, but the way he added, and

1173
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 3: it's so this is camp to me. Okay. On the menu,

1174
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 3: the hot dogs are listed with tax included, but then

1175
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 3: next to the tax they say how much of it

1176
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 3: is tax, and then there's a little cartoon of a

1177
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 3: hot dog slashing the tax with an axe and people,

1178
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: and this guy is known for like punching customers in

1179
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: the phone. Oh yeah, very libertarian, very libertarian of him. Yeah,

1180
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: that was a pretty straight hot dogs damn.

1181
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

1182
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you barely made it out alive.

1183
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 2: I didn't realize the hot dog scene was so tense,

1184
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: so so intense, and I didn't realize that it was

1185
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: such a thriving subculture.

1186
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 3: It rocks and everyone is very much hanging by a thread.

1187
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I think, And let me know

1188
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: if you if this rings true. It's like the hot

1189
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: dog is, at the end of the day, is such

1190
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: a simple thing. There are only so many things you

1191
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: can do with it, so people, and yet it's so popular.

1192
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: So if you are a small business owner selling hot dogs,

1193
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: you have to find a way to differentiate yourself and

1194
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: you can only do so much with the actual quality

1195
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: and content of what you're selling. Yeah, and maybe that's

1196
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: why there's so many gimmicks, rivalries like whatever.

1197
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: Do you think that is part of it?

1198
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it definitely is.

1199
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 3: And there's yeah, because it's sometimes like it's you can

1200
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: have a really good hot dog.

1201
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 4: There are really good hot dogs, but.

1202
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: If you're running like a place that's like you want

1203
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: low overhead, the hot dog can only be kind of

1204
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: so good, and so you just have to find like

1205
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: maybe you do it. There are places that do like

1206
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: something weird to a hot dog. There's and there's places

1207
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: where it flops hugely. There's this place in New Mexico

1208
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: where they put spaghettios on the hot dog and you're

1209
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: just like, what are we doing here? But yeah, it's

1210
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: like you got to have you gotta have your little thing.

1211
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's so quintessentially American to just have

1212
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: this like giant industry of people desperately doing things to

1213
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: try to charge like seventy five cents more. And you

1214
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: look into it, you look into it, and what's at

1215
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: the core of it. It is a piece of the

1216
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: most disgusting like plastic meat you have ever seen. And

1217
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: it's like it's just like the rot at the core

1218
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: of it all.

1219
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 4: It's all pain to get to.

1220
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, yeah, there's there's places where like the

1221
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: gimmick is kids work here exact that's not a good gimmick,

1222
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 3: that's an unethical gimmick.

1223
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 4: But that's people don't talk. People, don't you know, They're like,

1224
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 4: I love the hot dogs.

1225
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, anything to make a splash, I guess. Yeah,

1226
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: it's all about headlines these days in the hot dog business.

1227
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: Used to be about quality dog. Now it's headlines. Damn wow.

1228
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 4: Do you ever eat hot dogs to either of the others?

1229
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: I love hot I had two hot dogs last night.

1230
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Oh, because it's it was just Memorial Day. Yeah,

1231
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: you have a preference. Wait, what are your what are

1232
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 3: your makes?

1233
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 5: Well?

1234
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this last night because you were

1235
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: talking about how a lot of people are anti ketchup

1236
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: and you sort of roll your eyes out like anyone

1237
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 1: with such strong opinions about what not to put.

1238
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: And I'm not.

1239
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be like holding a sign that's like

1240
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: I hate ketchup. But I am one of the people

1241
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: that would prefer mustard relish maybe, which is I think

1242
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: the classic New York style, as I learned from the

1243
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: New York King last night, is mustard relish and a

1244
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: little bit of onion. I would say that, and actually

1245
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't even need the onion because I go back

1246
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: and forth with the onion, but definitely mustard and relish

1247
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: is my preference.

1248
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: I'm I'm Chicago dog pilled. I love this stuff.

1249
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 3: It was it was the salad on the dog.

1250
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: I do the salad on the dogs. There's just a

1251
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: ton of stuff. There's like tomatoes, celery, spear, sport, peppers, salt,

1252
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: and you know what else.

1253
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: I need a giant, sort of disgustingly phallic pickle on

1254
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: the side as well. Oh, I like the taste of

1255
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: a pickle when you're eating like a hamburger, a hot dog.

1256
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: I mean there's nothing like well this chocolate. Do they

1257
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: put the pickle right on there?

1258
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: All right?

1259
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 3: Well, anything just knock it off a little.

1260
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: Well. I the Chicagotak was a real breakthrough for me

1261
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: because I was a real plain hot dog guy. Like

1262
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't like condiments.

1263
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 3: I was Betty White type.

1264
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a child and it really symbolizes for

1265
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: me the growth from childhood to adult.

1266
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 3: Ye kind of.

1267
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, when no one's like when my

1268
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: parents are around, I like this stuff. Well, I have started.

1269
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: This is something I learned from my boyfriend as like

1270
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: a you know, you have sort of things in your

1271
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: repertoire that are quick dinners. When you don't want to cook,

1272
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: whether it's truly like a frozen Trader Joe's dinner or

1273
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: whatever else. And one of the things we now just

1274
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: have in the freezer is sausages from I want to say.

1275
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: They're called like Brooklyn Dogs or some weird some like

1276
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: brand like that. And it's like it's filling you duel,

1277
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: maybe a little side salad.

1278
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 2: Put some mustard in there.

1279
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: Nic, I mean, you got yourself a beautiful dinner.

1280
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 3: Oh that's wonderful.

1281
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: You know what I hate?

1282
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: All right?

1283
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: Here she goes, Okay, okay when people are like, oh,

1284
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: you know what we should do for dinner, like let's grill,

1285
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: let's do burgers and dogs. But then someone's like, oh,

1286
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: actually you don't be good burgers and brots. Like I'm like,

1287
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: just do it normal, get the burgers and dogs. I

1288
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: hate the like Brot as like like spitting on the

1289
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: lower class. Like it's like, no, we're better than hot.

1290
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 4: Dogs a little bigger.

1291
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. I couldn't get it. There was someone in line

1292
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 3: last night who was like to put their hand meaningfully

1293
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: on the book and was like, do you get into Brots?

1294
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: Valid question?

1295
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 3: I was like I do not. That's a separate book. Brots,

1296
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 3: that's out of my purview. That's like, that's it's like

1297
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 3: a Wisconsin thing. That's Wisconsin vibes and I and I

1298
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 3: and I honor it.

1299
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 4: But I don't want to throw Brots on the grill.

1300
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 3: Be serious. The serving size is all off.

1301
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: I really think a hot I sort of think.

1302
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: I gotta say your book is coming out like at

1303
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: the right time politically and social.

1304
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1305
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: That's an essential part of Biden era art. Yeah, quite frankly.

1306
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 4: Defining the Biden era period. How embarrassing.

1307
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: You're a very Biden era artist. Yeah, your book is

1308
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: giving me thinks.

1309
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 3: About the summer where the me Thanks returned.

1310
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: The me thinks movement, that me thinks.

1311
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 5: Oh I'm really gonna just like, oh the me thinks

1312
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 5: movement thanks movement.

1313
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Speaker 3: You can't say, you can't.

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01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 2: You can't say that out here. Should we do our

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Speaker 2: final segment? Yes? I think we should. You know, it's crazy,

1316
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: I had one million things I wanted to I have.

1317
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 2: I can start describing it and you can you can

1318
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: think about it, so Jamie, Yes, our final segment.

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Speaker 1: Our final segment is of course called shout Outs, and

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01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: in this segment we pay homage to the classic straight

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01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: tradition of radio shoutouts.

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01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: You are at.

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01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: TRL, you are at Z one hundred. You are calling

1324
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: in to shout out to your boys and girls back home.

1325
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: It is a radio shout out, and it can be

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01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: anything that's on your mind lately that you want to

1327
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: promote out into the world.

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: And I can, I can go.

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01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:24,479
Speaker 1: I have Truly, it's like the most anti hot dog

1330
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: thing I could possibly recommend. Are you ready?

1331
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm so ready? What's up, leasers?

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01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to the Metropolitan

1333
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: Operas Fridays under forty, which is when if you are

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01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: under forty you can get discount tickets to the opera.

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01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 2: And that's right.

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01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: I saw a labbo app for fifty dollars. I have

1337
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: to say, there is some you know, you think these

1338
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: things are not for you, You think they're only for

1339
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: the one percent.

1340
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: But guess what, because the one percent is dying.

1341
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: They are making these tiny little doors that are for

1342
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: people that are willing to sort of like go on

1343
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: the Internet at a specific time and then press the

1344
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: button and then and then pay fifty dollars for it.

1345
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: And you got to.

1346
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: Take advantage of that stuff before they take it away

1347
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: from us, Go to the MET website. Get a ticket

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01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: to Friday's Under forty. I had a real dream that

1349
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: I would be sure moved by the opera that I

1350
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: will cry. I was honestly pretty unmoved. However, I will

1351
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: say that the sets were beautiful. At one point there

1352
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: were there was a two floor a two story Parisian

1353
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: market on stage, and a donkey came out and guess

1354
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: a real donkey. Wow, it came out. It came out

1355
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: just for literally the gag of a donkey being there.

1356
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: It had no place in the plot, and everyone was like, gag, haha, yes, mama.

1357
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: Then a horse came out, whoa, And that also was

1358
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: there for only plit second what I'm telling you, And

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01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: I paid fifty dollars, So get out there, go to

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: the Met website and if you want to see it,

1361
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: I have donkey on stage. Look up Friday's under forty

1362
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: and see La Bom and you two can be like

1363
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: Sharon moonstruck.

1364
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Speaker 2: Really okay, I have one? What's up everyone around the globe.

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01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 2: I want to give a huge shout out to Shelter.

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01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: I recently went camping and I was in a tent

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01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 2: for two nights and let me tell you, this is

1368
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 2: what no one tells you about a tent. It still

1369
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: gets very cold in there. The outdoors is quite violent.

1370
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 2: Even though it is beautiful, you are not comfortable at night.

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01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 2: This is a fact. During the days, I'd be like, wow,

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01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: camping so beautiful. At night, I'd be like, I don't

1373
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 2: know if I will live through the night because it

1374
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 2: is forty eight degrees. That was one of the hardest

1375
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 2: things I've ever been through in my whole life. And

1376
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: now I am back in buildings and I am loving it.

1377
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: I am living my true, authentic self inside of an

1378
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: apartment that is inside of a building, and I am

1379
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 2: controlling the temperature, and I am laying in bed, and

1380
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 2: I am plugging my phone in at whenever I feel

1381
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 2: like it, and I have never been more myself and

1382
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: I love society XXO. Wow wow. Yeah, it actually was tough.

1383
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if it ever gets warm at night.

1384
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 2: I hate camping, but I hope it does because I

1385
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: love the concept. But in practice, I was like, it

1386
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 2: just is hostile out there.

1387
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I ultimately want is glamping. But then you're like, Okay,

1388
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay that bunch money. It genuinely feels stupid.

1389
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: Just stay at a hotel.

1390
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Yeah, you're like the mean family

1391
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 3: and a goofy movie. Yeah you can't do that.

1392
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: Well, Jamie, whenever you're ready.

1393
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 3: All right, what's up, losers? I'd like to shout out

1394
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 3: my pet rock coming back again. I was so thrilled

1395
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 3: the other day. I've had a pet rock since two

1396
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 3: double six. I love her. She's in my pocket right now.

1397
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 3: I love my pet rock. I got it at a

1398
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: baseball game due to my hometown baseball team being called

1399
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 3: the Brockton Rocks. Are like, what should we do? Sell

1400
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 3: rocks to the kids? They did?

1401
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 4: I bought one.

1402
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 3: I loved it. I carried it around with me every day.

1403
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 3: It kind of became my thing until I got a

1404
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 3: back brace, and then I put it away because I

1405
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 3: was like, that's too many weird things. We gotta put

1406
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: her away for a couple of years. I took her

1407
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 3: to Paris during my semester abroad. Wow, I thought I

1408
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 3: lost her in Paris. She's gone for ten years, right,

1409
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 3: and I thought she's never coming back. Eight years A

1410
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 3: long time, A long time. I go home last summer.

1411
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 3: My dad is like, my dad is like clearing out

1412
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 3: our house has left a bunch of items on my

1413
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 3: childhood dead low and fucking behold, there she is. I

1414
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 3: lose my mind. We immediately begin traveling the country together again.

1415
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 3: We're having a great time. I bring her to the

1416
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: Magic Castle about a month and a half ago. Then

1417
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 3: next morning can't find her. I was like, holy shit,

1418
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 3: it's happened again. She's gone. There's no time I've been doing.

1419
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,479
Speaker 3: I'm back on the road without her. It crosses my mind,

1420
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 3: but I'm like, I can't. I only found her when

1421
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 3: I forgot, when all hope was lost, So I cannot devote,

1422
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 3: I cannot look. I just need to let her come back. Right.

1423
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 3: My book comes out last week. I'm asleep on the

1424
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 3: couch because I'm leaving. The next morning, I hungover. I

1425
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: wake up the next morning on the floor. There she

1426
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 3: fucking is.

1427
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 4: So I just wanted to shout out her coming back again.

1428
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 3: It was a much shorter absence than eight years. It

1429
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 3: was about two weeks. This time. She could leave at

1430
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 3: any moment, and so I cherish every moment. And that's

1431
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 3: why I'm so thrilled to be with the two of

1432
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 3: you and my pet rock in New York.

1433
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. Well that was amazing.

1434
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: That was incredible, very much giving word you go. Burnadette.

1435
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: Also, I hate when like a pet rock is better

1436
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: traveled than I am. I know it's not fair, it's great.

1437
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: Well should she should guess on the pod?

1438
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 3: She should?

1439
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 4: She's actually pretty chic.

1440
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: Oh is soil.

1441
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 3: Really the.

1442
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 2: Wow? Well this has been an absolute delight. Thank you

1443
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 2: for doing the podcast, and honestly, thank you for being

1444
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: here in our most trying time. Yeah, we came in.

1445
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: I've actually never been lower in my entire life than

1446
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: at the beginning of this podcast.

1447
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 3: I feel like you've really bounced back the content professional.

1448
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 3: I know you to be well.

1449
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 2: I feel much better and I couldn't have done it

1450
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 2: without you. I'm so relaxed.

1451
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,919
Speaker 1: And thank you for saving the publishing industry.

1452
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, stand up.

1453
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: With Thank you for saving books. The written word has

1454
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 2: never meant more than it does today. Thank you for

1455
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: writing Raw Dog by Jamie Loftis.

1456
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for subjecting yourself to thousands of hot dogs,

1457
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: not that.

1458
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 3: Man, I mean a good life fifty Yeah, okay, yeah.

1459
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 2: That's a lot of hot dog.

1460
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: For the sake of your public and everyone.

1461
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: Listening, and go out and buy Raw Dog by.

1462
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus, or even by the audio book which you

1463
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: read yourself. I sure do, crazy all right, Okay, bye,

1464
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: bye bye