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Speaker 1: recap of the week eight action. Yes, we are now
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Speaker 1: great to have you with us. We've got a new
Speaker 1: Verballer Top twelve poll that we're going to unveil here momentarily.
Speaker 1: We've got some news in the coaching world starting to
Speaker 1: trickle in. Took a little bit longer maybe than we thought,
Speaker 1: but starting to occur. We do have those leftover thoughts
Speaker 1: from week eight, and we're going to take a glimpse
Speaker 1: ahead at some of the big games this coming weekend
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Speaker 1: Why don't we start with our new verboler Top twelve pole,
Speaker 1: though we've kind of grown accustomed to starting here. Whenever
Speaker 1: we do these Tuesday spillover episodes, it is voted on
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Speaker 1: at number twelve, it's BYU at number eleven, It's Indiana
Speaker 1: at number ten, It's Tennessee. Number nine, is Clemson number eight,
Speaker 1: LSU number seven, Iowa state moving up, just creeping on up,
Speaker 1: number six, Miami, number five, Texas, Yes, they drop down
Speaker 1: to five, number four, Penn State number three, Ohio, state
Speaker 1: number two, Georgia, and number one your Oregon Ducks, Dan thoughts, reactions,
Speaker 1: deep inner feelings.
Speaker 2: Who else received votes? Do you have that in front
Speaker 2: of you as well like you have thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 2: am I putting you on the spot.
Speaker 1: With thirteen would be notre dame? Okay, fourteen would be
Speaker 1: a and m okay. Fifteen is Alabama? Uh huh? And
Speaker 1: sixteen is the Army Black Knights ooh okay.
Speaker 2: So, as a Notre dame human, do you feel like
Speaker 2: they should have received more Top twelve consideration or you
Speaker 2: find because they are ranked higher than the eighty people?
Speaker 1: Right they are? They are? And no, The answer is no.
Speaker 1: I think, ok I think putting BYU in Indiana in
Speaker 1: front of them at this point is totally justifiable. I look,
Speaker 1: I have been a Notre Dame skeptic for a while now.
Speaker 1: Really ever since that n You game, I've You've been
Speaker 1: a Notre Dame skeptics since nineteen ninety three thirty three.
Speaker 1: I have struggled a little bit with where to put
Speaker 1: this team on that totem pole, and so it doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me to see them outside of our group's top twelve.
Speaker 1: I think there are varying opinions on that, but by
Speaker 1: and large it's the back half of the top ten
Speaker 1: if they're in at all. Right now, I do think
Speaker 1: if push comes to shove, if they keep winning out,
Speaker 1: it looks probable that they will continue winning out. Notre
Speaker 1: Dame will find a way into a playoff. There's almost
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But certainly Army on the schedule
Speaker 1: in a few weeks, Navy on the schedule this week,
Speaker 1: which will preview on the Thursday episode. If you've got
Speaker 1: games against Florida State, they still got that game against
Speaker 1: USC as well to close out the year, So Notre
Speaker 1: Dame will have opportunities here, I think, to showcase what
Speaker 1: they can do on national television. YEP, But for the
Speaker 1: time being, this seems about right. To me, Iowa State
Speaker 1: at seven is the only team I really react to.
Speaker 1: And you know that I'm pretty high on Iowa State.
Speaker 1: I've been for a while. Seven feels high to me.
Speaker 1: Seven fields high to me. Based on what we saw,
Speaker 1: be inclined to put LSU above Iowa State just based
Speaker 1: on recent results and the poll if we look at
Speaker 1: the points, seems to dictate, dictate. Excuse me that there's
Speaker 1: a bit of a drop off after Miami. After Miami
Speaker 1: at six, that's when there's a lot of sameness, let's say,
Speaker 1: for the next five or six spots, and my sense
Speaker 1: that that's where our voting public really struggled to place
Speaker 1: teams in order.
Speaker 2: Okay, Interestingly, when I look at the back half of
Speaker 2: this top twenty five, I see a lot of danger,
Speaker 2: Like I see a lot of potential for dramatic jump ups.
Speaker 2: Whereas you're right, I mean, I don't think I would
Speaker 2: consider myself an Iowa State skeptic. But the way that
Speaker 2: the defense performed, or rather didn't perform against UCF just
Speaker 2: has me has me has.
Speaker 1: My eye a skance. I don't know if that's the
Speaker 1: right way to say. No, Well, I it just gave
Speaker 1: up so many big plays, you know, the big place.
Speaker 2: And look they won their clunker, right, That's what winning
Speaker 2: teams do. That's what good teams do. They have down weeks,
Speaker 2: but they still win in their down weeks. But when
Speaker 2: I look at the back half, I look at the
Speaker 2: ceiling of ole Miss, I know, not a great loss
Speaker 2: to Kentucky. I grant you the ceiling of ole Miss.
Speaker 2: The ceiling of Poise State has now one of the
Speaker 2: best laws in America. They've exclusively lost to the number
Speaker 2: one team in America, America's Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're Orgon docks. Yeah, America's Surgon Ducks. If you see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kansas State is looking stronger by the week. And
Speaker 2: we'll get into this a little bit more with spillover thoughts.
Speaker 2: My god, did their offense look clean? I don't know
Speaker 2: if the Kansas State equipment managers need to do laundry. Yeah,
Speaker 2: after how little West Virginia was able to get to them,
Speaker 2: and they appear to be especially Avery Johnson like he is,
Speaker 2: it's no surprise the quarterback is the identity right now.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: He is a grower. He is an absolute grower. May
Speaker 2: not have been a shower in September, but is growing
Speaker 2: into his role quite impressively. So I look at those
Speaker 2: two teams, Kansas State, Ole Miss, which.
Speaker 1: By the way, I should add if you want, I mean,
Speaker 1: we didn't really read these off. But if we want
Speaker 1: to go through the full top twenty five, I know
Speaker 1: ball Side please do. Boise State at seventeen, followed by
Speaker 1: Pitt Navy, Illinois, Kansas State, SMU, Old Miss Vanderbilt in
Speaker 1: the Zoo. That will be your full top twenty five.
Speaker 1: SMU another team that has vault potential. I have some
Speaker 1: leftover thoughts on SMU. I do.
Speaker 2: I imagine you do, because I have some leftover potential here.
Speaker 2: But there are leftover thoughts on their potential SMU, just
Speaker 2: with the rest of their schedule, with how the defense is.
Speaker 1: Peaking right now.
Speaker 2: It was Stanford this past weekend, So I don't know
Speaker 2: how much spillover you have about SMU Stanford specifically, but
Speaker 2: there's a lot of danger in this back half, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, like with what Texas's schedule, I don't
Speaker 2: have Texas schedule in front of me. Another at Vandy
Speaker 2: this week. Oregon schedule has opened up a little bit,
Speaker 2: like I don't know Miami, you're sure is going to
Speaker 2: take a hit here or there. Indiana is now and
Speaker 2: this is another spill over without Curtis Rourke for an
Speaker 2: indeterminate amount of time. Right, it's a Taven Jackson Indiana
Speaker 2: program right now. Just there's a lot of interesting wiggle
Speaker 2: room in this back half.
Speaker 1: All right, well, right in soliverbogmail dot com or we're
Speaker 1: going to have this posted out on our social media accounts.
Speaker 1: Chime in out there if you haven't had a chance
Speaker 1: to do so already on overbowlers dot com, comment thread
Speaker 1: or discord server, any of that stuff. We'd love to
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on who's too high, who's too low?
Speaker 1: And again, if you go on out tiverbowlers dot com,
Speaker 1: you can sign up and vote in the poll next week.
Speaker 1: Every now and again, maybe next week I'll give out
Speaker 1: a few invites to vote. I've done that on occasion.
Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about Penn State at four? It's fine, it's fine, slow
Speaker 1: down with the enthusiast, Well, it's okay. In our poll,
Speaker 1: Georgia's above Penn State, and I think that's right. That
Speaker 1: feels about right to me. I'm glad that they're getting
Speaker 1: the nod over. I'm not glad, but I think it's
Speaker 1: right that they would get the nod over. I think
Speaker 1: their performance on the road has earned them something. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll find out what Penn State's all about in two
Speaker 1: weeks when Ohio State comes to town. But for the
Speaker 1: time being, anyway, I think it's I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with this. I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with Texas at five. I think this kind of act
Speaker 1: up in a pretty good way.
Speaker 2: I think Texas is better, but Penn State hasn't lost
Speaker 2: and so and that's the time with them before does
Speaker 2: winning is better than losing no matter who you're playing.
Speaker 2: Penn State has won. Below Texas is where I start
Speaker 2: to see, like, as much as Clemson has grown, I
Speaker 2: want to see it against somebody interesting. But I think
Speaker 2: Clemson being the top ten is totally good. Tennessee winning
Speaker 2: as a skill. They won. That was a nice win.
Speaker 2: I just think there's so much volatility potential here between
Speaker 2: six and sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not ready to let this go. I was
Speaker 1: ready to move on. You're ready, I know, my business man.
Speaker 1: I'm hyped tie, I'm into it. You're not even a
Speaker 1: pole guy and you're into this poll.
Speaker 2: No, I'm into it because when I see it organized
Speaker 2: in front of me, and I look at AP poles
Speaker 2: and coaches poles and everything. But when I see top
Speaker 2: to bottom what the top twenty five is looking right now,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I get a little tingle.
Speaker 1: It's great. Let's get to some news, shall we. Okay,
Speaker 1: we do have some breaking news. Seth Latrelle out as
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at Oklahoma. Brent Vnables made that announcement. They
Speaker 1: are turning the reins over to Joe John Finley along
Speaker 1: with Kevin Johns, who was formerly an analyst, formerly an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for Duke, but Kevin Johns was with Oklahoma
Speaker 1: in an analyst role. They're going to be kind of
Speaker 1: tag team in this. It looks like Joe John Finley
Speaker 1: is going to be sort of the main guy. We've
Speaker 1: got Andy Ludwig resigning as offensive coordinator at Utah kind
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere. And we've got Mike Houston,
Speaker 1: the first head coach fired this season, fired by ECU.
Speaker 1: ECU lost a week ago, and it turns out that
Speaker 1: was the final straw ECU came into the season, notably
Speaker 1: with one of the better defenses in conference, but offense
Speaker 1: is always going to be a bit of a struggle bus,
Speaker 1: and as such, they decide that they are going to
Speaker 1: cut the cord. SEU, the first on the board, will
Speaker 1: confer coach an in reaction to these coaching maneuvers.
Speaker 2: You know, when you look at what Seth Latrell the
Speaker 2: hand he was dealt a little bit this year, and
Speaker 2: same with Andy Ludwig with quarterback injury, you say to yourself,
Speaker 2: on one hand, behind your back, what are you supposed
Speaker 2: to do with the receivers that are hurt for Oklahoma?
Speaker 2: With Jackson Arrold not working out? That said, as the
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, you're supposed to help Jackson.
Speaker 1: Arrald to work out. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: And I know they had losses on the offensive line
Speaker 2: as well, and it's a tough schedule and there's a
Speaker 2: number of checkboxes there. But also you got to make
Speaker 2: chicken salad, and Oklahoma's ability to make chicken salads seem
Speaker 2: to get worse every week. And so obviously we're not
Speaker 2: privy to exactly what's happening behind the scenes, and or
Speaker 2: heads budding if you know, the communication was broken down whatever,
Speaker 2: But bigger picture, Brent Vnables has now fired a defensive
Speaker 2: coordinator and offensive coordinator in the lasts something like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like he had to do something though, I mean,
Speaker 1: the offense has been an unmitigated disaster.
Speaker 2: You risk total mutiny. Oh, I'm not saying it's the
Speaker 2: wrong move. I'm saying Brent Venables's ability to go after diagnose,
Speaker 2: connect with potential coordinator candidates. If it's not, we're if
Speaker 2: we're talking about both sides of the ball in ten months,
Speaker 2: where's the confidence that Brent Vnnibles is working out long term?
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has just has a small
Speaker 2: network because he was at Clemson for so long, or
Speaker 2: it was just unwilling to take a shot on somebody
Speaker 2: he didn't know or hadn't spent time with. Like, I
Speaker 2: don't know what the thinking was behind those two hires.
Speaker 2: Those were very much people he was familiar with, instead
Speaker 2: of like, what is the best thing to do in
Speaker 2: college football in twenty twenty four? In the SEC it
Speaker 2: wasn't Seth Latrell, it wasn't Ted Roof. So I'm calling
Speaker 2: into like the program vision right now of Brent Venables.
Speaker 1: Well, and I was going to bring up the ted
Speaker 1: roof thing. I mean, it's become a popular punchline on
Speaker 1: this show. I talk about the leaky roof often. But
Speaker 1: that was a guy that he sort of knew, right,
Speaker 1: And we have seen other recent instances of hiring the
Speaker 1: guy that you know, not really working out. Marcus Freeman
Speaker 1: did that with Jared Parker, right. We see how well
Speaker 1: that's working out at Troy at present, So you know,
Speaker 1: they had to do something. This offense was not in
Speaker 1: a good place. It is not solely because of the quarterback,
Speaker 1: but the quarterback is going to be the most prominent
Speaker 1: reason why that people I think cite and that will
Speaker 1: they won't they start Jackson Arnold? Will they go to
Speaker 1: Michael Hawkins Junior. You know, we've kind of gone a
Speaker 1: few cycles through this now, and I suspect if you're
Speaker 1: an Oklahoma fan, there's reason for frustration. This was a
Speaker 1: move that needed to be done just so not to
Speaker 1: forget about the locker room so you don't lose the
Speaker 1: fan base. Fan base was extremely frustrated. What do you
Speaker 1: think of this? Andy Ludwig resignation? At you tak Utah?
Speaker 2: So I think I looked this up Utah had like
Speaker 2: the one hundred and twelve points per drive offense has
Speaker 2: the most, has the one hundred and twelve points for
Speaker 2: drive offense thus far this year and Oklahomas at about
Speaker 2: one hundred and eleventh.
Speaker 1: They're right there, neck and neck.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this was a conversation to
Speaker 2: say face, I don't know what the agreement was behind
Speaker 2: the scenes. I mean, always get fired instead of resigning
Speaker 2: just for money reasons. I guess severance, right, what that
Speaker 2: take that money? Yeah, I don't know if some sort
Speaker 2: of agreement was in place that he would get his severance,
Speaker 2: but you know, has the dignity to be the one
Speaker 2: stepping down because he felt like he wasn't able to
Speaker 2: get the most out of his players and that he
Speaker 2: should take the responsibility. Maybe behind the scenes there was something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I've got some thoughts on Utah. By the way,
Speaker 1: when we get to leftovers, I have well, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's not exactly a secret theory, but I have a
Speaker 1: theory on this decision. I have.
Speaker 2: I have a theory myself, and I think Utah just
Speaker 2: lost their their by far, their best recruiting, their biggest commitment.
Speaker 2: Aaron Dunn offensive lineman. They may have all a couple
Speaker 2: of pretty decent sized ones, and now Andy Ludwig decides
Speaker 2: to resign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't say it. Don't say Let's save it for
Speaker 1: the next segment. Okay, we're both going to the same
Speaker 1: place with this. Wait, i'd not have to finish a
Speaker 1: sentence no, No, you're not, because I know where you're
Speaker 1: going with it, and I don't need to steal my thunder. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh ty, I was gonna make a point before you could.
Speaker 1: Everybody listening knows where we're going with this. Okay, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: By the way, speaking of behind the scenes, I have
Speaker 1: a very small dog here that I'm trying to keep
Speaker 1: entertained while we are doing this episode. So far, so good.
Speaker 1: She's chewing on a box. But I'll keep you posting.
Speaker 1: They're both lady dogs. There are lady dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's all okay, And news wise, they Mike
Speaker 2: Houston also lost Mike Houstonie. He also lost to Charlotte
Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago, correct, which was probably like very
Speaker 2: close to the last straw. Let's see how you do
Speaker 2: against Navy. Yeah, the Tavian Jackson news is a bummer.
Speaker 2: Just in terms of news, I mean not Tavin Jackson,
Speaker 2: but that the injury Indiana is about Curtis Rourck. I
Speaker 2: hope Taven Jackson succeeds. I praise that completely inappropriately. David
Speaker 2: Jackson came in to look pretty good against Nebraska in
Speaker 2: the second half.
Speaker 1: We were calling him Raven Tavin last year. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: a moment like two weeks and there was a stretch.
Speaker 1: Any other news to you right now? That is newsworthy.
Speaker 1: I want to get into my spill over thoughts place,
Speaker 1: place place I have. I have some good ones from
Speaker 1: this past week. So we mentioned smu Dan smu Hammered
Speaker 1: Hammered Stanford forty to ten. The sp plus our trusted
Speaker 1: metric is projecting them to win their next five games
Speaker 1: over Duke Pitt, Boston College, UVA, and Cal understandably. So
Speaker 1: something that I trained in on when I was going
Speaker 1: through and trying to build one of my spreadsheet specials
Speaker 1: was this switch at quarterback to Kevin Jennings. Caught a
Speaker 1: lot of us by surprise because Preston Stone was pretty
Speaker 1: good last year and in the early part of the season.
Speaker 1: Obviously they had that eighteen to fifteen loss against Boy
Speaker 1: You that raised some myebrows. This is before we knew
Speaker 1: what BYU was going to become a that lost his
Speaker 1: age pretty well, to be honest, Yeah, but notably on
Speaker 1: the Kevin Jennings front. Right now, PFF has him ranked
Speaker 1: as the tenth best passer in the Power for And
Speaker 1: there are two really interesting trends in his game that
Speaker 1: I noticed and that I want people to watch out
Speaker 1: for moving forward. So it's it's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a spillover thought from the weekend and from the Stanford game,
Speaker 1: But I think broadly speaking, it's just it's a trend
Speaker 1: to watch as SMU rounds the bend and gets into
Speaker 1: some of these games. Here the rest of the way,
Speaker 1: his completion percentage when you blitz him is seventy nine percent. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: it is higher when you blitz him than when you don't.
Speaker 1: When you don't blitz him, his completion percentage is sixty percent.
Speaker 1: When you do, it's seventy nine. Loves his hot routes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you do get the pressure on him, the completion
Speaker 1: percentage comes way down, like fifty percent. And so I
Speaker 1: think the long and short of it with SMU is
Speaker 1: who can get the pressure without blitzing. And if you're
Speaker 1: looking at this in terms of the teams that remain
Speaker 1: on that schedule, if you know a little bit about
Speaker 1: defensive lines, you know a little bit about how some
Speaker 1: of these teams play, it's not that difficult to calculation
Speaker 1: to figure out who can and can't do that. Guy's
Speaker 1: a mobile quarterback. Most of his rushing guards come on scrambles,
Speaker 1: not designed runs. The game plan has to be getting
Speaker 1: the pressure without blitzing, keeping him in the pocket, keeping
Speaker 1: him in a spot where you're not bringing his legs
Speaker 1: into the equation. So I don't know if you're playing
Speaker 1: contains with your ends or what you're doing, but something
Speaker 1: to kind of keep him bottled up, prevent him from
Speaker 1: breaking outside the pocket, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you got your receivers doing scramble drills. I think that's
Speaker 1: where SMU right now is finding a lot of success.
Speaker 1: And you know, Duke Pitt, Boston College, UVA and Cal
Speaker 1: maybe Cal maybe Pitt, maybe Duke, Like we could debate
Speaker 1: the merits of who can and can't do that, but
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the game plan, at least defensively
Speaker 1: when you're playing against a team like an I enjoy that.
Speaker 1: How many weeks into the season are we were pre
Speaker 1: week nine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, your hot tip for the rest of SMU's schedule
Speaker 2: is have a killer defensive line who can get pressure
Speaker 2: without help. That's the big the big time tie strategy.
Speaker 1: Well, it's okay, it's not a big time strategy. It's like,
Speaker 1: here's here's my strategy.
Speaker 2: Have a Heisman caliber quarterback and two bullet and a
Speaker 2: coff Receaver's a case in point.
Speaker 1: Pressure without blitzing gas. Of course, here's a case in point.
Speaker 1: Why bring this up? It wasn't all that long ago.
Speaker 1: On one of these Tuesday shows, I talked about the
Speaker 1: value of Louisville. This is early season. Yeah, early season
Speaker 1: Louisville being able to get pressure without blitzing. And I
Speaker 1: talked specifically about the game against Miami and how if
Speaker 1: they could do that against a guy like a cam
Speaker 1: Ward that would give them more success. Now, they didn't
Speaker 1: really have that success, especially in the first half. They
Speaker 1: didn't do anything to get any pressure on him. In
Speaker 1: the first half, they didn't even try to blitz and
Speaker 1: as such, cam Ward's sort of went wild. Second half,
Speaker 1: they started dialing up pressure. That's when the game got
Speaker 1: kind of wild. So this is of course not any
Speaker 1: foreign schematic advantage or anything, but I'm just saying this
Speaker 1: is what the numbers are showing. With Kevin Jennings.
Speaker 2: You can do more interesting things with four than just
Speaker 2: right send them straight at a quarterback, like you can
Speaker 2: do your stunts and twists and drop into zone blitzes
Speaker 2: and stuff, and you know, simulated pressure. There's all sorts
Speaker 2: of things you can do. But yeah, easier said than done.
Speaker 2: Because look, the connection between Kevin Jennings and I think
Speaker 2: it's r J. Maryland tight end has been thriving for
Speaker 2: I mean, Burschard Smith on the ground like they're able
Speaker 2: to adapt pretty quickly. The receivers seem sharp obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: Rehet Lashley is a sharp offensive mind. And by the way,
Speaker 2: just in terms of top assistance this year and Broils
Speaker 2: Award whatever Scott's is it Simmons or Simons, and he's
Speaker 2: been a Rhet Lashley guy for some time. He was
Speaker 2: at Liberty before. But that defense has done a remarkable
Speaker 2: job this year.
Speaker 1: It has all right, my next item, Yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: talk enough about Virginia Tech this past week because they
Speaker 1: played earlier in the week. They beat Boston College soundly
Speaker 1: forty two to twenty one mentioned them as a lurker
Speaker 1: on our Saturday I mention it. We did mention them
Speaker 1: as a lurker. Everyone present, company included was high on
Speaker 1: this team at the start of the season, and then
Speaker 1: it cooled. Why did it cool because they lost to Vandy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: losing a Vandy historically kind of a black eye. Not
Speaker 1: as much the case this year.
Speaker 2: AP top twenty five program, vanderbil anchor down.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. They have also since lost to Rutgers
Speaker 1: in Miami, the Miami game. We know about the Miami game.
Speaker 1: They could have won that one. All three losses have
Speaker 1: been by one score. Again, there are some in there
Speaker 1: that maybe could have gone a different way. First Off,
Speaker 1: that Vandy loss, in hindsight is not bad at all.
Speaker 1: Even the Rutgers loss was not terrible. But to your
Speaker 1: point crazy well, but ye, to your point, I know
Speaker 1: you're starting to buy in on Virginia Tech, and I
Speaker 1: needed to go and look at the numbers to see
Speaker 1: if I was there too. Okay, there has been a
Speaker 1: trend emerging over the last three games. In each of
Speaker 1: their last three games, they have outperformed their projections. By
Speaker 1: about fifteen points. That includes the Miami game back in
Speaker 1: Week five, That includes every game since. What we have
Speaker 1: yet to see is both the offense and the defense
Speaker 1: both overperforming in the same game. But it seems like
Speaker 1: when you've got a team that very clearly is building
Speaker 1: some momentum, Dan, the writing is on the wall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you don't want to peek in early September.
Speaker 1: I think the writing is on the wall. I think
Speaker 1: it's going to start happening soon. I'm back. I am
Speaker 1: back in on the tech train. Is there room on
Speaker 1: the tech train for me? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, look, there's room on what the Brent Priy
Speaker 2: massive hog, caboose whatever, that's what it's called. That's such
Speaker 2: like a specific reference that we at one point did
Speaker 2: a show in which we reacted to messageboard geniuses and
Speaker 2: somebody said, you can just tell Brent Priby as a
Speaker 2: massive hog. That's the way he carries himself, right, And
Speaker 2: we had to react to that. There are always gonna
Speaker 2: be there are these teams in every conference, and we
Speaker 2: can go through them. When we went through a little
Speaker 2: bit with the Lurkers or the Growers or whatever, that
Speaker 2: Virginia attack, You're right, if they can put it all together.
Speaker 2: I think it was the second quarter against Miami, yep,
Speaker 2: if they could be a little bit less streaky and
Speaker 2: just a little bit more decent all the time. I
Speaker 2: don't know who's on the back half of their schedule,
Speaker 2: but I suspect it's workable given your enthusiastic.
Speaker 1: Consistency is key. Consistency is key. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about that Utah theory. Now. Okay, so Utah lost thirteen
Speaker 1: to seven. It was the late night game on Saturday
Speaker 1: that we didn't get a chance to discuss. First off,
Speaker 1: it was a big win for TCU, gets them to
Speaker 1: four and three. It looks like they should be slightly
Speaker 1: favored and like four their next five maybe have a
Speaker 1: shot at eight, four, nine and three. That seemed impossible
Speaker 1: to me personally when we did our preseason stuff because
Speaker 1: I was just in on the under seven and a
Speaker 1: half of this team. I was convinced. But right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna act like this is some sort of juggernaut.
Speaker 1: But four and three, the schedule in front of them
Speaker 1: is workable after going three and three the first six
Speaker 1: weeks of the season. Right now, TCU, if you're a
Speaker 1: TCU fan, I think you gotta like the direction that
Speaker 1: they're headed and this is a big win. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. I think so. I mean there are still
Speaker 1: real questions, don't get me wrong, but you know, beating
Speaker 1: Utah that was not really one that we had planned
Speaker 1: for before the season. So I think I think you
Speaker 1: feel like you got one here that you can use
Speaker 1: and you know, propel you into a bowl.
Speaker 2: If you think the story there is TCU's defense has
Speaker 2: finally woken up and they performed super well against a
Speaker 2: good Utah offense. Sure, I think the story here is
Speaker 2: Utah's collapse. Utah's collapse. So this profile as a game
Speaker 2: that Utah should have run wild in literally run wild, Yes,
Speaker 2: and instead they finished with sixty eight yards on the ground.
Speaker 1: Utahs now four and three. There's a good chance they're
Speaker 1: a dog in four of their next five. At this point,
Speaker 1: there is zero shot of them hitting their over nine
Speaker 1: and a half, which I think we were both in on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they'll make a bold dan. That's not a
Speaker 1: given though, And I think this is building to Kyle
Speaker 1: Whittingham's last year. I think so too, because he named
Speaker 1: Morgan Scalley as the head coach in waiting. That was
Speaker 1: something of a story before the season kicked off. It
Speaker 1: just feels like the momentum is there for a coaching change,
Speaker 1: that after all of these preseason expectations, the letdown of
Speaker 1: cam Riisen getting hurt again, it feels like Utah may
Speaker 1: be ready to turn the page of sorts. Kyle winnie
Speaker 1: Hand's been a great coach at Utah, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: It just seems like now would be the time to
Speaker 1: kind of get a fresh start with somebody else in charge,
Speaker 1: even though he's been there forever. I am I wrong
Speaker 1: with that? Is that where you were going with it too?
Speaker 2: That's exactly where I was going with it that. It
Speaker 2: just seems that, like, I don't know if it's Morgan Scalley,
Speaker 2: I'm fully speculating irresponsibly, but with how recruiting has gone recently,
Speaker 2: with the on field stuff with Andy Ludwig, you know,
Speaker 2: stepping down, it just has the the air of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: Morgan Scalley is gonna be taking on more responsibilities now,
Speaker 2: and like this show might, this particular segment might be
Speaker 2: out of date by the time this show is even released,
Speaker 2: Like the vibes are pointing in that specific direction.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: That's the vibe I get from how things are going
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. That utah right now, my.
Speaker 1: Only other spill overthought and then I'll kick it over
Speaker 1: to you in I want to circle back to LSU
Speaker 1: for a second. Oh yeah, rewatched that this morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of panned LSU's overtime win against
Speaker 1: Ole Miss two weeks ago, I think because so much
Speaker 1: else happened that week and got an email about that.
Speaker 1: Wanted to make sure that I gave LSU it's due.
Speaker 1: And this is a spot in which we looked. We
Speaker 1: saw LSU's on the road at Arkansas in a game
Speaker 1: that's historically kind of weird, and it's a week before
Speaker 1: they were squaring off against Texas A and M and
Speaker 1: Kyle Field. Yes, it's kind of getting to the point
Speaker 1: where you shouldn't just pan this LSU defense. When you
Speaker 1: say pan, what do you mean, hand wave it? You
Speaker 1: know what happened last year? You know what happened last year?
Speaker 1: They stunk. They were historically bad. Yes, and there have
Speaker 1: been moments this season, for sure where we've seen that
Speaker 1: version of it, but I have seen real strides. For one,
Speaker 1: the tackling is way better, way better tackle success rate
Speaker 1: a measure of this last year hovering around fiftieth in
Speaker 1: the nation. Right now, it's fourth best in the nation,
Speaker 1: right and that's without Harold Perkins. To without Harry Perky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're creating those havoc plays again. Last year finished in
Speaker 1: the sixty to seventy range nationally. So we're talking tackles
Speaker 1: for loss, pass breakups, interceptions, fumble recovery, things like that.
Speaker 1: So far tenth this season again doing it without Harold Perkins.
Speaker 1: So whatever they are doing, whatever they played, whatever, they
Speaker 1: paid Blake Baker to come in there and try a
Speaker 1: lot of money, paid him a lot of potatoes to
Speaker 1: come over and try to fix this thing. It may
Speaker 1: have taken a little bit initially, but LSU defensively is
Speaker 1: looking much much better. And this is another team that
Speaker 1: we had in that lurker category last episode. Tough One
Speaker 1: this weekend at A and M. But let's look at
Speaker 1: their November there's a good chance going four to oh
Speaker 1: against Bama, it could beat Bama, Florida, Vanderbilt, and Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Those are four games in November with the trajectory of
Speaker 1: LSU right now, and you look at where those other
Speaker 1: teams are at I'm not saying it's easy. Nothing in
Speaker 1: the SEC is, but in light of losing two coordinators
Speaker 1: and Jaydon Daniels and dealing with the whole defense thing,
Speaker 1: if they go eleven and one here, if they go
Speaker 1: ten and two, that's like, that's a coup. That is
Speaker 1: a coup in my book, if they're able to put
Speaker 1: in this kind of season given some of the questions
Speaker 1: they had coming into it.
Speaker 2: Okay, a couple thoughts. One, LSU lost Week one to
Speaker 2: USC in a crazy tight game.
Speaker 1: Week one.
Speaker 2: As I've said all season long, I'm always willing to
Speaker 2: extend grace for Week one results. That was a wild game.
Speaker 2: Ls was not fully formed. They've gotten better over the
Speaker 2: course of the season.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 2: Garrett Nussmeier, I would imagine there is a certain quality
Speaker 2: of LSU fans that, as much as they've enjoyed this
Speaker 2: season thus far, that dude throws off his back foot
Speaker 2: a ton, that dude feels pressure and says, all right, scool,
Speaker 2: let's see what's going to happen, and.
Speaker 1: Say let's just throw it up. Let's and you know what,
Speaker 1: when you've got receivers that are good, a lot of
Speaker 1: times get away with it. I agree, it works better
Speaker 1: when you've got Kyrien Lacy than it does this you've got,
Speaker 1: you know, most of the other receivers in college football.
Speaker 1: But I take your point and it's not invalid.
Speaker 2: He's not always a feel the pressure on the edge,
Speaker 2: step into the pocket and throw it over the middle
Speaker 2: and be decisive about his footwork and his progressions college.
Speaker 2: That's okay, that's okay. He'll get there hopefully, but just
Speaker 2: in terms of what he does when he feels things
Speaker 2: breaking down there, there are some risky decisions that he
Speaker 2: is still prone to making, and that's okay. And the
Speaker 2: emergence of Caden Durham hopefully will help keep sort of
Speaker 2: defenses on their heels kind of thing, because I thought
Speaker 2: he was very good against Arkansas. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he went for one hundred yards but burned out some
Speaker 2: tough yards. The other thing was I still worry a
Speaker 2: little bit about LSU because you're right about the defense.
Speaker 2: The defense has improve. They're getting a ton of pressure.
Speaker 2: Brayden Swinson like, I'm not crazy about their linebackers right now,
Speaker 2: but if you're generating pressure, you know, it's a way
Speaker 2: to cover up for some defensive deficiencies. There is something
Speaker 2: about the drive finishing in this moment. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's a play calling thing. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's an execution thing.
Speaker 1: They had.
Speaker 2: If memories are two touchdown drives against Arkansas, they kicked
Speaker 2: a bunch of field goals. They had, like the three
Speaker 2: yard short field touchdown after an incredible interception. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying only having two touchdown drives is bad. If you
Speaker 2: can generate points elsewhere, it's a plus on LSU overall.
Speaker 2: It's a question on LSU's offense in this moment that
Speaker 2: if we're going to start saying, here's who they have left,
Speaker 2: this is their record right now, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: It's pretty workable. There is something about LSU. Now, if
Speaker 2: the big things seem to be operating, let's look the
Speaker 2: little things and a little the casual nature of Garrett
Speaker 2: and Usmyer under pressure and their ability to finish drives
Speaker 2: right now. Look, they did it at Arkansas, they uncomfortably.
Speaker 2: They checked every box for me as a quality team.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if you're gonna nitpick, that's where I
Speaker 2: might look the little things. Not finishing out drives and
Speaker 2: emphatically sending messages. But they'll get there. It's a new team.
Speaker 1: It's a new team. What else do you got from weekate?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I watched the Colorado Arizona game in its entirety.
Speaker 2: I watched a lot of Big twelve that I didn't
Speaker 2: fully watch on Saturday. Colorado's defense is pretty interesting to me.
Speaker 2: Sam Oakinlola bj Green like they're getting after the quarterback
Speaker 2: in impressive ways and they're still dealing with a beat
Speaker 2: up Travis Hunter, who only played part of the game
Speaker 2: against Arizona.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like their corners more than I thought I would
Speaker 2: against Arizona because that's a measuring stick game in terms
Speaker 2: of a passing attack. How can they handle Noah Fafida
Speaker 2: and t mac and some of the guys there. I
Speaker 2: thought they handled themselves really nicely on defense. The defense
Speaker 2: looks ahead of the offense to me, and I like
Speaker 2: that they leaned on the run a little bit when
Speaker 2: they had that lead. Dalan Hayden had a couple nice runs.
Speaker 2: I'm still not a huge fan of this offensive line.
Speaker 2: But in terms of Shador as a playmaker, one of
Speaker 2: his pay he had two picks, one of them was late.
Speaker 5: In the game.
Speaker 2: It was a tipped ball and it was bad low
Speaker 2: throw from him, but it wasn't a consequential interception.
Speaker 1: I think Colorado's pretty good and you've come around. Man,
Speaker 1: You've come around on him. I've come around.
Speaker 2: But I'm not going to say like I was super
Speaker 2: low on Colorado, and I'm going to stick with that
Speaker 2: feeling as they as I watched their games all season long,
Speaker 2: I was a low.
Speaker 1: It wasn't high.
Speaker 2: It was just sort of neutral and not super bought
Speaker 2: in on them dramatically improving. But this Big Twelve, and
Speaker 2: again this is not a knock on Colorado's performance this year.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of drek. There's a lot of garbage
Speaker 2: in this Big Twelve this year, maybe not as a
Speaker 2: full team, but a garbage offense, garbage defense, a garbage quarterback,
Speaker 2: and Colorado is doing what a pretty good team should do,
Speaker 2: which is take advantage. Arizona is a mess. By the way,
Speaker 2: Arizona is a mess. They're beat up on defense. Offensively,
Speaker 2: No Fafita is constantly running and trying too hard to
Speaker 2: make plays that are ending in poor decisions.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, you.
Speaker 2: Brought up the buyout stuff. I'm not willing to pour
Speaker 2: dirt on the Brent Brennan era. I didn't like his
Speaker 2: HighRes before in Duyna Quina and Dino Babers as coordinators,
Speaker 2: and they've already made a change in terms of play
Speaker 2: calling on offense at least a couple times. He better
Speaker 2: be recruiting. I have not looked on Arizona's recruiting, but
Speaker 2: this was the year for Arizona. There were opportunities on
Speaker 2: this schedule, and Arizona.
Speaker 1: Is a mess.
Speaker 2: They are thin pretty much everywhere in terms of quality depth,
Speaker 2: And it is you mentioned to me, like, who are
Speaker 2: you ready to just give up on Arizona's making it
Speaker 2: pretty easy right now?
Speaker 1: One final point on the Colorado stuff, then I want
Speaker 1: to get the remainder of your thoughts here. We do
Speaker 1: still have our verball or segment and some other stuff
Speaker 1: here to get through. Colorado improved both offensively and defensively
Speaker 1: and dramatically, so not as dramatically on offense because they
Speaker 1: had a pretty good offense all things considered. Last year.
Speaker 1: It was mostly built around the pass and shadoor. But
Speaker 1: in terms of the sp plus, which is not gospel
Speaker 1: but something that I like to use forty eighth last
Speaker 1: year at the end of the year. Offensively, now up
Speaker 1: to twenty ninth, so a top thirty offense is pretty good.
Speaker 1: And defensively, this is where we've really seen the Strides.
Speaker 1: The final year of Carl Durrell. They were one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty eighth nationally last year. They only moved up
Speaker 1: fifteen spots to one hundred and thirteenth this year, all
Speaker 1: the way up to fifty sixth. This will change. We're
Speaker 1: only about halfway or so ish through the season, but
Speaker 1: given what we've seen, it seems like there's real steam
Speaker 1: on that defensive side of the ball and more people
Speaker 1: or taking notice that, yes, this is in fact a
Speaker 1: much improved defense. It's not gonna shut you down. You're
Speaker 1: going to score points on Colorado. But to the extent
Speaker 1: that the Big twelve is still sort of in a
Speaker 1: blender and still sort of has a lot of weakness
Speaker 1: across the board. Yeah, I don't know Colorado's remaining schedule
Speaker 1: For those playing the home game, Cincinnati, Texas Tech a
Speaker 1: very flawed Utah, Kansas, and Oklahoma State yet to win
Speaker 1: a Big twelve game, yes, almostate yet to win a
Speaker 1: Big twelve game. The projected margin right now in all
Speaker 1: five of those games is five points or fewer. In fact,
Speaker 1: most of them are less than a field goal. So
Speaker 1: it's just there. It's there for Colorado. They're projecting to
Speaker 1: be in some close games here, but by this measure,
Speaker 1: winning four out of five, you're Colorado, you win four
Speaker 1: out of your next five, you finish the season with
Speaker 1: nine wins. That's a pretty good season. That's a pretty
Speaker 1: good campaign for Dion.
Speaker 2: These are decidedly half teams by the way that they're playing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh, he has a ton of opportunity.
Speaker 1: In terms of.
Speaker 2: Cincinnati, I think is quality and they've been pretty consistent.
Speaker 2: They haven't played a ton of good teams. Texas Tech
Speaker 2: defense is willing to fall apart at any moment. They
Speaker 2: are on call to fall apart the Texas Tech defense.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Utah's offense falling apart. Kansas is a nice
Speaker 2: one against Houston, but you're talking about two basement dwellers
Speaker 2: right now in the Big Twelve going at it. We'll
Speaker 2: see if Jalen Daniels has turned a corner. That becomes
Speaker 2: more interesting if true, because he did have a really
Speaker 2: nice game and Oklahoma State's a mess on defense this year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so no, there's a lot of opportunity there for Colorado.
Speaker 2: I have two lane down once again. The lost Oklahoma
Speaker 2: isn't great. They should have beaten Kansas State, which I
Speaker 2: don't know if you can say like a should have
Speaker 2: beaten Kansas State. Moment has aged nicely, I guess. But
Speaker 2: for twu Lane, who has North Texas on the road,
Speaker 2: which will be challenging to hold down that offense. They
Speaker 2: finish at Navy and then a bye week before Memphis.
Speaker 2: Tulane is either deciding the American excuse me for somebody
Speaker 2: else or for themselves at the end of this season.
Speaker 2: They're real interesting. They look pretty complete, they're well coached,
Speaker 2: and they look beautiful.
Speaker 1: In those uniforms. Yeah yeah, oh I love those uniforms.
Speaker 2: So Tulane's they're lurking their quality. I'm paying you know,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough to get that that that G
Speaker 2: five spot with two losses, but I mean it's Kansas
Speaker 2: State and Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: They're a quality team. I like Tulane a lot. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna talk about that Boise UNLV game a
Speaker 1: little bit later on because that has real significance with
Speaker 1: respect to that G five playoff spot, and that game's
Speaker 1: on late Friday night, you know, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: young enough, stay up to watch the whole thing. Uh
Speaker 1: late kick, but definitely has I think some real significance
Speaker 1: with respect to not just that G five playoff spot,
Speaker 1: but also two lane role in that conversation, Yes, what
Speaker 1: else do you got? The Boise thing is interesting, We're
Speaker 1: going to get there. They've just taken care.
Speaker 2: Of business in a way that I love to see.
Speaker 2: And they had a bye week this past week before UNLV. Correct,
Speaker 2: but I went back and watched a little more Boise.
Speaker 2: I don't love their passing game, but if they continue
Speaker 2: to play defense and run the ball, I don't know man.
Speaker 1: Continue to play defense for the first time, Yes, that's
Speaker 1: the problem I have with them.
Speaker 2: Well, the defensive numbers aren't great because of that first
Speaker 2: game against Georgia Southern and the game against Oregon, but
Speaker 2: I don't think that fully characterizes their season. I'm willing
Speaker 2: to extend grace on Boise. When I was looking at
Speaker 2: some updated numbers, they're a couple of outliers within like
Speaker 2: the top fifteen or twenty. Do you know who has
Speaker 2: by far the worst defense in that like top fifteen
Speaker 2: to twenty range.
Speaker 1: You're talking about spot for Bowl or top top twelve.
Speaker 2: Poll anybody, I'm looking at the net points per drive.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at analytics here, but like these are all
Speaker 2: relatively the same teams. We're talking about Texas Miami. Miami
Speaker 2: has by far the worst defense. They are around I
Speaker 2: think sixty ninth or seventieth in points per drive allout.
Speaker 2: And you look at the Virginia Tech game, you look
Speaker 2: at the col game, now you look at the Louisville game,
Speaker 2: and that would be a concern point to me right now.
Speaker 2: Kansas State's defense needs to improve, but I think they've
Speaker 2: gotten better. My other point about Kansas State, by the way,
Speaker 2: is in rewatching or really watching in full for the
Speaker 2: first time that West Virginia game, it looked like practice.
Speaker 2: Kansas State looked like they just came off of the
Speaker 2: practice field. And Chris Climban's talking to Beat reporters and say,
Speaker 2: I thought we were really crisp out there. I thought
Speaker 2: it was a really nice Wednesday practice. We're really like
Speaker 2: firing on all cylinders. I'm excited for the weekend and
Speaker 2: for the season that we have to come. West Virginia
Speaker 2: did not offer much, and.
Speaker 1: That surprised me. It surprised me, you know, I it's
Speaker 1: not surprising that k State would win. They were favored.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Garreck Green went down, didn't come play in
Speaker 2: the first in the second half, excason.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not surprising that case State would win
Speaker 1: that game. I do think on the whole, they're a
Speaker 1: better team. I am surprised by how easy it felt.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised by that, truly, because Kyse State, especially in
Speaker 1: the road, especially with Avery Johnson, who I think generally
Speaker 1: we like Avery Johnson a lot, but he's had his
Speaker 1: moments of inconsistency this year. To go on the road
Speaker 1: at night in Morgantown and to basically just throttle West
Speaker 1: Virginia and the manner that they did, that's it should
Speaker 1: open some eyes, right. And it wasn't just that, I
Speaker 1: mean they did they held West Virginia town. It was
Speaker 1: a domination of both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever played a like a
Speaker 2: six year old in one on one basketball tie the best.
Speaker 1: It's the only time I feel good about my basketball game.
Speaker 2: You're palming the ball over their head and you're hitting
Speaker 2: fadal way to Avery Johnson, it was as if in
Speaker 2: a in an offensive meeting leading up to the game,
Speaker 2: a QB coach, a coordinator, somebody you you know when
Speaker 2: you look at the bottom of a website and there's
Speaker 2: those weird paid ads like doctor say this one trick,
Speaker 2: Kelly Fly. It was as if a coordinator said, Avery,
Speaker 2: I've got this one trick that's going to make life
Speaker 2: so much easier for you. He looked so calm in
Speaker 2: the pocket. He didn't take off prematurely in the way
Speaker 2: that he had early on in the season. He looked
Speaker 2: out at that West Virginia defense and had his own
Speaker 2: offensive line smothering the West Virginia front, but was going
Speaker 2: through progressions that again, it's West Virginia. I don't know
Speaker 2: what this means for the rest of their schedule. I
Speaker 2: don't know what this means if they end up in
Speaker 2: a Big twelve championship game against Iowa State or something. Well,
Speaker 2: to play Iowa State and Farmageddon, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: It looked like a man reborn. Okay, what else do
Speaker 2: we got any other?
Speaker 1: Any other trailing thoughts here before we get into our
Speaker 1: overballer segment. I don't think so. I think we're good,
Speaker 1: all right. So we kind of have this thing on
Speaker 1: our show. It started years ago. It actually ended up
Speaker 1: on college game Day. It was in the midst of
Speaker 1: an Iowa season where they weren't playing offense. Nothing new there,
Speaker 1: but in the middle of that season we started a
Speaker 1: little line that we said, well, we got to talk
Speaker 1: to our kids about Iowa. We thought I was going
Speaker 1: to go and defet it. Yeah, caught on College football
Speaker 1: World took notice. As per usual, we ended up being trendsetters.
Speaker 1: Your favorite podcast, favorite podcast. That's right, that's right. We
Speaker 1: have the talking to your kids about dot dot dot
Speaker 1: question comment line that comes in via email every year,
Speaker 1: and now it has come into us from Kyle out
Speaker 1: at verballers dot com. He says, which college football things
Speaker 1: need to be taken seriously and explain to our children
Speaker 1: who may or may not comprehend the gravity Dan. My
Speaker 1: question is which teams are we talking to our kids at.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you a bunch of questions. I want to
Speaker 1: have them answered immediately immediately. Who needs to be taken
Speaker 1: more seriously? Who do we need to talk to our
Speaker 1: children about?
Speaker 4: Dan?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's sort of dovetails with what we were
Speaker 2: just talking about. Like, I think Tulane needs to be
Speaker 2: taken more seriously. I think SMU needs to be taken
Speaker 2: I mean, they haven't lost in the a sec but
Speaker 2: still they're sort of an afterthought in this moment because
Speaker 2: it's a Clemson Miami race. I mean, in sort of
Speaker 2: mainstream thought, I would say, who needs to be taken
Speaker 2: more seriously? Colorado once again, ASU with a healthy Sam
Speaker 2: levitt is a team that I would take seriously.
Speaker 1: Can I be honest with you about something here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't watched a whole lot of ASU this year. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, we've been kind of wrapped up in whatever
Speaker 1: we do, and sometimes it's easy to miss teams, teams
Speaker 1: to fall through the cracks. But yeah, I watched that
Speaker 1: last game that Sam levit Pley didn't play the last
Speaker 1: game because he was hurt, didn't play against Cincinnati, but
Speaker 1: the one before that, I forget against which team I
Speaker 1: was really impressed. I was really genuinely impressed by how
Speaker 1: good he looked, He seemed to have command, he was accurate,
Speaker 1: he was tough to get in his face and pressure.
Speaker 1: I mean Kenny Dillingham, his pedigree is as an offensive
Speaker 1: mind is as a child of Tempe Arizona. So clearly
Speaker 1: with everyone out in the field a couple weeks ago,
Speaker 1: you could see Kenny d was feeling it. But it
Speaker 1: felt to me like with Sam Levitt in there, they
Speaker 1: have a chance of beating you, and there was a
Speaker 1: little bit of spark there. There was spark last year
Speaker 1: they didn't have the personnel, but there was definitely spark
Speaker 1: this year, I think with a little bit better quarterback play.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about Wisconsin in terms
Speaker 2: of tell your kids about. I'm trying to find that
Speaker 2: big ten team that is being overlooked in this moment.
Speaker 2: Wisconsin is both Penn State and Oregon in Madison. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't know if Wisconsin is actually good or is decent.
Speaker 1: Situationally, Okay, so what am I telling my kids about Wisconsin?
Speaker 1: Don't count them out?
Speaker 2: I guess that's as like dramatic as I can be
Speaker 2: about Wisconsin in this moment. Otherwise, who we should be
Speaker 2: taking seriously Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Vanderbilt seriously. You know I am already. I
Speaker 1: know I'm trying to avoid the obvious ones like Indiana
Speaker 1: and Yu and I will state like they're all ranked,
Speaker 1: they're borderline top ten teams if they're already not in it.
Speaker 1: But you know, Vandy just cracked the top twenty five
Speaker 1: five and two. They need one win to get Bowl
Speaker 1: eligible against what right now projects as the sixth toughest
Speaker 1: schedule in America. Yeah, they do project as underdogs in
Speaker 1: their next five games, but I do not see them
Speaker 1: going on five, Dan, I don't think the improvements of Fluke.
Speaker 1: Eighth most improved offense in terms of points per drive
Speaker 1: in the Power For twenty fifth most improved defense by
Speaker 1: that metric in the Power For. This is a team
Speaker 1: that has definitely seen something of a transformation in the
Speaker 1: off season. It's not all just Diego Pavia. They are
Speaker 1: better across the board. They're obviously taking teams to the gun.
Speaker 1: They knocked off Alabama, So I'm just feeling like Vandy's
Speaker 1: a tough out. I don't know what their final record
Speaker 1: is gonna be. They could be one of these teams
Speaker 1: that gets into a bowl game with a six and
Speaker 1: six mark, and you're you got to pick them because
Speaker 1: you know that the schedule made them six and six.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a team that was foundering, right, Vandy
Speaker 1: need to take Vandy seriously. The other one I have
Speaker 1: here per your analytics, by the way, of course, is Army. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can speak a little bit more to the context
Speaker 1: of your net points per drive improvement stat that you
Speaker 1: keep track of and how you calculate that and what
Speaker 1: that means. I don't want people's eyes and ears to
Speaker 1: glaze over talking about this, Okay, I am guilty of
Speaker 1: that more than a few times. But fair enough, Army
Speaker 1: is like four and a half points better per than
Speaker 1: they were a year ago. And that's including both offense
Speaker 1: and defense.
Speaker 2: Right, So the offensive points scored per drive minus the
Speaker 2: defense points allowed per drive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I mean, you've been doing this a
Speaker 1: while now, the points per drive thing, that's kind of
Speaker 1: been your stat. Yeah, minus their yards. But yours is
Speaker 1: always points per drive relative to others.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm putting you on the spot. Four point five to four,
Speaker 1: I believe is the number in improvement that feels astronomically
Speaker 1: larger than most of the other ones I have seen.
Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy. Now here's the added context, Hie, they've
Speaker 2: played the worst schedule in America. Well, their strength of
Speaker 2: schedule is sitting at one hundred and thirty third right now,
Speaker 2: they're yet to play a team with either an offense
Speaker 2: or a defense. Yeah, the last team they played Army
Speaker 2: just fired their coach. They're playing one of the most
Speaker 2: disappointing teams in search of the Commander in Chief trophy
Speaker 2: and Air Force after a buye. They have a North
Speaker 2: Texas team that doesn't play defense. They've got a very
Speaker 2: good maybe Notre Dame team, a UTSA team that fell off,
Speaker 2: and a resurgent Navy. So I have no idea how
Speaker 2: seriously or not seriously to take Army. But if they're
Speaker 2: a good team, they've performed like a good team should
Speaker 2: have against this schedule thus far, so I have I'm
Speaker 2: fully selling on not selling on or selling on Army.
Speaker 2: I'm fully selling on having an opinion about Army other
Speaker 2: than winning is so much better. Okay, More interestingly, who
Speaker 2: are you not telling you? Who are you not taking seriously?
Speaker 2: Who are you telling your kids like you can go
Speaker 2: to sleep? They're not winning me.
Speaker 1: I'm still not really taking Illinois seriously. I know they're
Speaker 1: a top I'm not taking them seriously the top whatever team,
Speaker 1: top twenty caliber team. They're one to me that I'm
Speaker 1: not fully in on. I still struggle with the BYU thing.
Speaker 1: I know, I really do, and it's I'm running out
Speaker 1: reasons why because they have been a or Jake rehtz
Speaker 1: laugh has been pretty good, He's gotten better both as
Speaker 1: a passer and a runner. This team just feels like
Speaker 1: they're unkillable, and those are the teams generally that I
Speaker 1: gravitate towards. So personally, if I can just kind of
Speaker 1: have a moment of self reflection, hm, I think it's
Speaker 1: one of those deals where I kind of hated them
Speaker 1: in the preseason and it has taken me a long time.
Speaker 1: Now we're eight weeks into this deal. Yeah, it has
Speaker 1: taken me a long time to start having this conversation
Speaker 1: with myself about you were wrong, dog, you were really
Speaker 1: wrong about I think team.
Speaker 2: You know, I think you're right and wrong. Like, I
Speaker 2: just think you should view the BYU thing through the
Speaker 2: lens of let's not think about what they can be,
Speaker 2: let's appreciate.
Speaker 1: What they are. That's fair. I've been that's fair, and
Speaker 1: I probably need to come around to that.
Speaker 2: But I understand when you're undefeated in a power conference,
Speaker 2: you start thinking about a team as a potential conference
Speaker 2: champion at this point, and maybe you're not taking them
Speaker 2: seriously in that regard, but I think you can accept
Speaker 2: their success for what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm not taking into Miszoo seriously in their mind. I
Speaker 1: don't think this is any kind of surprising revelation at
Speaker 1: this point. The win that they had against Auburn was gutsy.
Speaker 1: That was a gutsy win to come from behind and
Speaker 1: win in the manner that they did. Brady Cook kind
Speaker 1: of coming literally coming back from the hospital after having
Speaker 1: an MRI to go out there and win the game.
Speaker 1: That all that stuff is good. Yes, the reason I
Speaker 1: am not buying is because the big plays just are
Speaker 1: not there. There aren't there are not there. They have
Speaker 1: not been able to create big plays. And like I
Speaker 1: said a few months ago, months a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna need to do a full like sixty minutes report.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need the athletic in on this. Give me
Speaker 1: ten thousand words in the offseason about how you have
Speaker 1: Luther Burden on the team and you can't generate big plays. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: You're gonna need those. They are predictive of success and
Speaker 1: they have not had any of those So for as
Speaker 1: long as Missou remains this team on offense not being
Speaker 1: able to generate any of that explosion, I just I
Speaker 1: can't take them seriously against an SEC schedule. You know
Speaker 1: what am I betting on here? I'm betting on Fluke
Speaker 1: wins essentially like we saw this past week against Auburn.
Speaker 2: For all of these teams, I take seriously what they've
Speaker 2: done so far, but I don't take seriously what it
Speaker 2: means for the back. You know, four or five games
Speaker 2: Pitt Douke and Syracuse in the ACC.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not there.
Speaker 2: They've played a lot of down teams that they've snuck
Speaker 2: by in retrospect. Just I respect the wins. I appreciate
Speaker 2: the wins. The wins don't sway me in any sort
Speaker 2: of meaningful way. But I like that they're winning. I
Speaker 2: think that's a good thing. I am not a believer
Speaker 2: right now in Texas Tech with their record, No, no,
Speaker 2: I and look, I really want to be the butt
Speaker 2: game tie. I want to be a believer. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: not there. I'm not there with Texas Tech. I'm not
Speaker 2: there with Illinois. I am definitely not there after this
Speaker 2: weekend with Iowa in the way that they I'm not
Speaker 2: there with Michigan State in the opposite direction yet, but
Speaker 2: I like seeing it. I liked seeing something new and
Speaker 2: unexpected from Michigan State. Yeah, a novel performance is always
Speaker 2: welcome to my end in the SEC. You mentioned Miszoo,
Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm fully in on Texas A
Speaker 2: and M right now.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because I felt like you were a week ago.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 2: I just another week where they are what one of
Speaker 2: two teams that are undefeated in the conference. I think
Speaker 2: they're good, but now we're talking about like winning the SEC.
Speaker 2: I don't think Connor Wigman is an SEC winning quarterback,
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I again, I appreciate what they've done.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really nice story near one of
Speaker 2: Mike Elco. I mean, needless say, I'm not in on
Speaker 2: Bama right now. Yeah, are you a.
Speaker 1: Believer in Bama long term? This season?
Speaker 2: No, it's a real tough watch. Again, I'm extending grace
Speaker 2: to Kaylin de Boor in year one. It's an impossible job,
Speaker 2: it's an impossible ask. It's it's just it's all on
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe. Yes, it's all in jail. Milroe I'm telling
Speaker 2: my children to watch South Carolina games.
Speaker 1: South Carolina is just a fun TV show watching Looney Tunes.
Speaker 1: It's great. It's just a good TV show and you
Speaker 1: never know what kind of madness you're going to see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that, but I can't get there on Bama.
Speaker 1: I just can't not after what we've seen this season.
Speaker 1: You know, it's one two weeks feeling like the offense
Speaker 1: isn't getting into gear. That's one thing. But yeah, this
Speaker 1: has been a trend, man. I mean it's been like
Speaker 1: four or five weeks now where we're saying the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's just at some point, you are who you're telling us,
Speaker 1: you are, right, I am. This is a big picture.
Speaker 2: If you're talking about telling your children something, I'm telling
Speaker 2: my children not to fall in love with any freshman
Speaker 2: for your team.
Speaker 1: Right. This is big twenty twenty four. This is bigger.
Speaker 2: Like I just bought my kid a show hey O
Speaker 2: Tani shirt, and I feel pretty great about that. In
Speaker 2: terms of long lasting stick around, stick aroundedness, stickuitiveness. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you have a dream freshman, I don't care who
Speaker 2: you are, don't fall in love. Tell your kid that
Speaker 2: maybe there's another freshman all the way next year. No,
Speaker 2: I don't know what about you anybody else that you're
Speaker 2: not believing in, believing in?
Speaker 1: What do you tell the kids about you stole my
Speaker 1: Syracuse pick. I was going to go there next okay,
Speaker 1: because we're going to talk about some of the week days.
Speaker 2: I'm into it. I'm into their success. I celebrate their success.
Speaker 2: But I don't look at somebody else's schedule and when
Speaker 2: I see Syracuse and Pitt think to myself, ooh, that's
Speaker 2: going to get real difficult.
Speaker 1: Well, Syracuse and Pitt play. Let's get to that. By
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Speaker 1: Special Thursday at seven thirty on ESPN, It's Syracuse at
Speaker 1: five and one, It's Pit at six and oh pit
Speaker 1: favor by five and a half points. This is a
Speaker 1: perfect segue into the Pit Syracuse conversation. Yeah, you set
Speaker 1: me up perfectly. I look at Syracuse for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: Every defense at Syracuse play is the rest of the
Speaker 1: season is better than every defense they've played thus far. Yes,
Speaker 1: and yes. That also includes their game on November twenty
Speaker 1: third against the Yukon Fighting Huskies. So you're right. I
Speaker 1: want to root for the for animal. I still believe
Speaker 1: in the Syracuse project. I like watching the team, but
Speaker 1: their past defense is really bad. Yeah, really suspect, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what holds them back. It would not
Speaker 1: surprise me if this game against Pitt ends up being
Speaker 1: a quasi shootout, because I have questions about Pitt as well.
Speaker 1: I think both teams can score. I think it's a
Speaker 1: fun Actually, I think there are a handful of fun games.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great game May Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 1: I'm going Pitt thirty eight thirty. I like pitting this spot.
Speaker 1: They're at home.
Speaker 2: I think so too. I think I'm I said thirty
Speaker 2: seven thirty four actually in my mind. So I don't
Speaker 2: know what the spread will be a kickoff, but so
Speaker 2: you would go, you would go Syracuse. Then I would
Speaker 2: go points in a shootout.
Speaker 1: I don't blame it. Yeah, I understand that the big
Speaker 1: one here with real consequence, I think, is on Friday
Speaker 1: at ten thirty CBS Sports Network, Boise at five and one,
Speaker 1: favored by three on the road in Vegas against UNLV
Speaker 1: coming into this game at six and one, So both
Speaker 1: teams have that loss, but both were to non conference opponents.
Speaker 1: Boise to your Oregon Ducks, UNLV to the aforementioned Syracuse Orange.
Speaker 1: This is a monster matchup, man, yes, say big matchup
Speaker 1: in the Mountain West. Also, we're probably going to see
Speaker 1: a rematch of this game, so get ready for that.
Speaker 1: These are the top two teams in the Mountain West
Speaker 1: at present. Both of them are too clear in the
Speaker 1: lost column of the next best teams per the standings.
Speaker 1: I don't know if either team is taking a loss
Speaker 1: after this game, right, and so that's why schedule was
Speaker 1: amazing after this game amazing amazing. That's why I say
Speaker 1: it looks to me like this is a rematch the
Speaker 1: first of two. Yeah, I expect a lot of points.
Speaker 1: So is Vegas sixty five and a half? Is your
Speaker 1: is your over under here? I'm going UNLV home dog
Speaker 1: of the week? Play the wrong sound there? It is
Speaker 1: the Yokos home dog of the week. Let's not get
Speaker 1: crazy and lock this up, all right. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: hit the wrong button there, But I think lost in
Speaker 1: the Ashton jenty craze is the fact that the Boise
Speaker 1: defense is very suspect and so, yeah, it's been better,
Speaker 1: it's been better. You're right to bring that up. Yeah
Speaker 1: it's still kind of bad. Yeah, I think you and
Speaker 1: LV is good for thirty seven, thirty eight, forty five
Speaker 1: points on Boise. I can see this being one of
Speaker 1: those deals where there's like a late touchdown, someone's got
Speaker 1: to go for two or they want to go for
Speaker 1: two and get the win. UNLV outright, forty two, forty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have this high smat. I like UNLV as well,
Speaker 2: and they have your pet stat. I think their yards
Speaker 2: before contact. You gotta look at a team's rush defense
Speaker 2: right before they play ashion gent and it's nice. I
Speaker 2: think it's top fifteen or so. UNLV's it's not bad.
Speaker 2: I like Barry Odom's ability. We did see winning as
Speaker 2: a scale. They went to Oregon State last week in
Speaker 2: Corvallis and won that game. Thirty was seven or eight
Speaker 2: points they won that game. I'm going UNLV here. I'm
Speaker 2: going UNLV at home. Stadium's gonna be rocking. And I
Speaker 2: like the versatility of their offense a little bit more
Speaker 2: than I like Boyse's as.
Speaker 1: Well, I might have to stay out for this ten
Speaker 1: thirty kick.
Speaker 2: I can't wait ten thirty. Yeah, you're going to stay up.
Speaker 2: You'll make it a Vegas has set the line. This
Speaker 2: is a UNLV game. If Time makes it to the
Speaker 2: midway point of the second quarter, it will be the
Speaker 2: upset of the week.
Speaker 1: Well, sixty five and a half see over under sixty
Speaker 1: five and a half minutes is probably a good over
Speaker 1: under for how long I make it.
Speaker 2: And I like that ten thirty kicks, so making it
Speaker 2: to eleven thirty five.
Speaker 1: And then the other game on Friday at eleven on Fox,
Speaker 1: it's Rutgers traveling to USC. USC favored by fourteen points.
Speaker 1: There's a big time vibe check game right here. Sure
Speaker 1: you know USC and Rutgers both coming in with three
Speaker 1: straight losses. On the Rutgers side, two of them were blowouts,
Speaker 1: and one of them was against UCLA, which is almost worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of think they get annihilated by USC here.
Speaker 1: That's my instinct, that's my gun. I kind of think
Speaker 1: they get annihilated because USC may not have a great defense, right,
Speaker 1: but it is better. And I am not of the
Speaker 1: mind here that Rutgers is going to come in and
Speaker 1: consistently put together long clock killing drives. Sure, I think
Speaker 1: that's their only shot to keep this one close. They're
Speaker 1: not going to win a shootout if they get into
Speaker 1: one with USC. They just don't have the offense. I
Speaker 1: thirty seven seventeen USC. I think they win handily in
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 2: I saw somebody tweet out or on Instagram somewhere said,
Speaker 2: you know, you can take your Dodgers Yankees. The clear
Speaker 2: tri State Area Southern California matchup of the weekend, Rutgers
Speaker 2: traveling to whatever three and four USC. It's a If
Speaker 2: USC loses this game at home, USC fans should just
Speaker 2: pay attention to the Lakers, pay attention to the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: They're in the World Series. Yeah yeah, yeah, and just
Speaker 2: abandon the season. You should not pay attention to USC.
Speaker 2: If they lose this game at home to Rutgers, this
Speaker 2: would be a waste of your time. You deserve better.
Speaker 1: This would be a horrible loss. And you know what,
Speaker 1: Rutgers isn't necessarily a horrible team, but this is a
Speaker 1: game they should win. Yes, Okay, I got a dog
Speaker 1: bark in here. I apologize. Okay, Oh it's okay. We
Speaker 1: have some other big ones this week. Once we get
Speaker 1: to the weekend. We got the Notre Dame Navy game,
Speaker 1: a line that's come down already. By the way. We've
Speaker 1: got Washington versus Indiana. We will talk more about the
Speaker 1: Curtis rourkean.
Speaker 2: By the way, vir check looks your vibe check. Now
Speaker 2: you mentioned vibe check usc rutgers the vibecheck Navy Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: I think Notre Dame is gonna cream them, Okay. I
Speaker 2: think Notre Dame should cream Navy. Okay, they should not
Speaker 2: to say they will. That line when I made this
Speaker 2: document was thirteen in favor of Notre Dame. I looked
Speaker 2: before we hit Live Eric Live here down to eleven
Speaker 2: and a half. So there is steam on Navy. I
Speaker 2: hope it keeps coming down. I'm inclined to go heavy
Speaker 2: on Notre Dame, so I think that's a good matchup
Speaker 2: for them. We got Oregon playing host to Illinois. Alabama
Speaker 2: favored by a pretty hefty margin against Miszoo, Penn State
Speaker 2: minus about a touchdown on the road against Wisconsin. By
Speaker 2: the way, it was just announced that the Penn State
Speaker 2: Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Game is going to be a noon kickoff. Which means
Speaker 1: that Oregon Michigan will be a three thirty, won't wear out.
Speaker 1: Oh oh great, goodbye, my pretty good, pretty good time
Speaker 1: set up. Love that and uh LSU against A and
Speaker 1: M is sort of like the big matchup in the SEC.
Speaker 1: That game's in Kyle Field. It is at seven thirty
Speaker 1: on ABC. An M is favored by two and a
Speaker 1: half points. So those are the big games. There are
Speaker 1: some other ones of note Nebraska, Ohio State, Georgia Tech,
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech byu UCF, Texas Vandy who knows right in Nashville, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: We've got Michigan, Michigan State, SMU Duke not bad, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: Colorado so maybe lacking for obvious Georgia versus Texas style headliners,
Speaker 1: But that's plenty of intrigue here. There are a bunch
Speaker 1: of games on this docket that I'm pretty excited about.
Speaker 2: By the way, did you see that the SEC ruled
Speaker 2: on the bottle throwing for Texas. They got fined I
Speaker 2: think two hundred and fifty K and they have to
Speaker 2: use all available technologies to identify and ban any of
Speaker 2: the bottle throwers.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw, I saw one of the
Speaker 1: barstool Accounts was tweeting out a screen grab of a
Speaker 1: text message that was reportedly going around to students. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen that actually confirmed anywhere. Yeah, but yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be something.
Speaker 2: To students announcing that they're banned from Texas events the
Speaker 2: rest of the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that they're pulling their tickets. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's legit, but you know, if they're using all
Speaker 1: available technology. All of these stadiums have high powered cameras
Speaker 1: where they can look for people.
Speaker 2: By the way, the ultimate losing effort is everybody who
Speaker 2: threw bottles. It was a winning effort for that play
Speaker 2: because I don't know if the SEC commented on the
Speaker 2: horrible play or the horrible call that brought out the throwing.
Speaker 2: But all those Texas throwers getting banned for the rest
Speaker 2: of the year as they watched their team lose the
Speaker 2: biggest game of the season for them.
Speaker 1: You miss games at home against Florida and Kentucky. Okay,
Speaker 1: it would have been a fun night. A and M
Speaker 1: is on the road this yere Kyle Field. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: those are the big games. Again. We're going to do
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Speaker 3: It's Jimmy fromman All and I can't wait for tomorrow
Speaker 3: morning to see if Dusty May can get the Wolverlines
Speaker 3: ready to make a run at the dance.
Speaker 1: This yeah, dan Ty Travis from Ferndo, Key, Florida.
Speaker 6: This is Patrick from Tavia, Hellen. Hello, this is Alex
Speaker 6: from East Lansing, Michigan.
Speaker 1: Get out of your muster packet because it's the home
Speaker 1: dog of a.
Speaker 4: Week baby, No Green go stay.
Speaker 6: Jonathan Kim more like Jonathan him sick. Field goals to
Speaker 6: beat Iowa at their own game.
Speaker 4: No Green, So wait, is Texas not back? Or is
Speaker 4: Vanderbilt better than Georgia? Or are both of those things
Speaker 4: true or neither of them true? I'm very confused.
Speaker 7: Hey, asverb, this is Don in Maryland. This call is
Speaker 7: being overturned because my household members just threw a water
Speaker 7: bottle at me.
Speaker 6: Any who are showing the beer on the fielders?
Speaker 1: That's just me? No, No, Carson, Carson, We're wearing the
Speaker 1: white shirts, not the white helmets. We've been over this, Carson,
Speaker 1: Go dogs.
Speaker 6: Be those tears, take slight, crappy, burnt, overdone Texas barbecue,
Speaker 6: Go dogs sick the woof woof.
Speaker 1: I just watched my Gators absolutely kick Kentucky's ass. It
Speaker 1: was glorious period. Just letting you know that this happens
Speaker 1: against your lock of the week, Dan Arkansas Razorbacks.
Speaker 6: Go Taggers.
Speaker 3: Hi, This is e J and Family checking in from Madison,
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Speaker 7: This is Steve from Atlanta, Georgia talking about seven wing Diana.
Speaker 1: So what when we got on boys?
Speaker 5: Coach stick wins again.
Speaker 3: So I write a newsletter called the Solid Plates, and
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the year I made a bunch
Speaker 3: of predictions. One of them was that this is Miami's year.
Speaker 3: Other ones were that Oklahoma would do better than expected
Speaker 3: and the UCF would win the Big twelve. Yeah, all
Speaker 3: those aren't panning out. My Miami one's doing great.
Speaker 5: Main fan here. Could Maine really get their first shutout
Speaker 5: in eleven years against number five with Villanova? Uh No,
Speaker 5: Villanova scored with two minutes left to make it thirty
Speaker 5: five to seven, one of the most surprising results of
Speaker 5: the year.
Speaker 4: Go Black Bears.
Speaker 6: California gold Bears are like the little brother of the
Speaker 6: entire acc. It's like when you're playing Smash Bros. Your
Speaker 6: little brother, and you let him get you down to
Speaker 6: twenty cent and then you come back and beat the
Speaker 6: everlove and crap out of him about cal You'll you'll see.
Speaker 7: What my prosper When will the WVU end the Neil
Speaker 7: Brown era? Can we please wow stop watching this horrendous
Speaker 7: product and bring back home the prodigal West Virginia native
Speaker 7: and Jimbo Fisher at the next EP coach.
Speaker 1: Of course, Wow, you just extended Neil Brown. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wasn't a huge believer for last year, but I
Speaker 2: always appreciate improvement.
Speaker 1: But it's tough. It's a tough watch this year. Thank
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Speaker 1: You heard just a small sampling of them. I'm excited
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Speaker 1: around campus. She would run away from me. Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: right now. But for those watching the video, if you're wondering,
Speaker 1: why have I been distracted and kind of all over
Speaker 1: the place, I've been chasing her around the room. So
Speaker 1: thank you for your patience. Try not to do this again.
Speaker 1: All good in the meantime for that guy of there,
Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself Tye Hildebrand, thanks
Speaker 1: for downloading, for listening, for supporting the show. We will
Speaker 1: talk to you all on Thursday. I meantime, stay solid, peace,