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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone. Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about Nicole Palizzi, otherwise known as Snookie,

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Speaker 2: and how cancerous cells were found in her cervix. An

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Speaker 2: older story that's been circulating online this week that we

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Speaker 2: must have somehow missed back in September about el and

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Speaker 2: John turning his kneecaps into jewelry, Like, I don't know

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Speaker 2: how we missed that, but we need to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: There's a new infection the CDC wants us to panic

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Speaker 2: about that is called a flesh eating parasite, and we'll

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit more about what that is. A

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Speaker 2: teacher who is being sued for throwing out a kid's

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Speaker 2: amputated fingertip, a firefighter who bludgeoned his wife to death

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Speaker 2: with an axe after reading her diary, and a woman

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Speaker 2: in Canada who was euthanized against her will. Wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: call that murder? I don't know exactly. We'll finish up

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Speaker 2: the episode with your question, comments and emails. All that

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Speaker 2: and more on today's episode. So let's talk about Snookie.

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Speaker 1: So Snookie went on social media and revealed that she

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Speaker 1: had an unusual pap smear and doctors had found Cantor's

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Speaker 1: cells on her cervix.

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Speaker 2: So this is what I think happened based upon her

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Speaker 2: interview that she did. It seems like she got a

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Speaker 2: pap smear within the past couple of years that was abnormal,

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Speaker 2: and they said, you need to come in and get

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Speaker 2: So let's start off with that first. When you I

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Speaker 2: used to do this for a living, so I know

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Speaker 2: a lot about this before I was I was a

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Speaker 2: cytotechnologist and that was what my undergrad degree was in.

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Speaker 2: So I used to look at pap smears all day

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Speaker 2: long as a job. So the reason that they do

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Speaker 2: a pap smer is because in your uterine cervix there

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Speaker 2: is a level of high activity that could happen if

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Speaker 2: you get an infection with a virus called HPV virus.

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Speaker 2: So the HPV virus is human papillomavirus, and that is

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Speaker 2: a virus that is sexually transmitted, and some strains of

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Speaker 2: it that are higher risk can cause cells to become

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Speaker 2: abnormal and can become cancerous. So this area of the

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Speaker 2: uterus where there's high cellular turnover in activity is where

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Speaker 2: the cervix of the uterus is up at the top

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Speaker 2: of the vagina and where it starts to transition and

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Speaker 2: go up into the uterus. So at that point where

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Speaker 2: that transition area is, cells can become abnormal, and when

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Speaker 2: you do a pap smear, you're scraping those cells to

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Speaker 2: see if there's any changes that can be considered abnormal

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Speaker 2: that may eventually lead to cancer. So back in the day,

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Speaker 2: this doctor Papa nicolel he figured out that by screening women,

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Speaker 2: you would be able to catch the cancer before it

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Speaker 2: turned into invasive cancer. So you would see the cancer

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Speaker 2: when it was pre cancerous, which is why we're always

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Speaker 2: having to get pap smears as women now because it

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Speaker 2: really has lowered the chance of us getting cervical cancer.

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Speaker 2: And now, especially within the past twenty years or so

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Speaker 2: to see if you have one of these strains that

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Speaker 2: are considered to be high risk that would cause you

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Speaker 2: to get cancer. So she had this done and the

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Speaker 2: first step is we look at the pap smear and

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Speaker 2: we look at the cells and can see if they're abnormal. Now,

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Speaker 2: sometimes they just look a little funny and you're like, eh,

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Speaker 2: Like sometimes if you have a yeast infection or something,

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Speaker 2: the cells could look a little funny. Other times it's

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Speaker 2: pretty obvious that they're they're really angry and they could

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Speaker 2: potentially be pre cancerous cells. But it's not, it's not

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Speaker 2: very it's not an absolute diagnostic, so it's a screening test.

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Speaker 2: So the next thing would be to look at the

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Speaker 2: cervix with a camera called the colposcopy and take a

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Speaker 2: this papsmerror don it's abnormal, and the doctor's like, you

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Speaker 2: and she had said that he was. The doctor was

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Speaker 2: bugging her for a little while, it appears, and she

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Speaker 2: she had a feeling it was something bad. So that's

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Speaker 2: an I'm glad that she's saying this out loud, because

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Speaker 2: and it turns out that it does match whatever findings

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Speaker 2: to have another procedure done called a cone biopsy, and

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Speaker 2: a cone biopsy is when they go into the cervix

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Speaker 2: and that's where a baby would come out if you

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Speaker 2: it looks like a cone because they cone it out.

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Speaker 2: And when we get that in pathology, then we're looking

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Speaker 2: to see if any of these really atypical cells that

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Speaker 2: are seen on both the papsmir and biopsy are to

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Speaker 2: the point where they are cancer and if they're invasive cancer.

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Speaker 2: If it's invasive cancer, they're going to want to take

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Speaker 2: to take the risk of it growing back. Once you

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Speaker 2: did that cone biopsy, now it's an interesting question because

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Speaker 1: Right, she's thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she's thirty eight, so technically she's still child

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Speaker 2: bearing years. I know she had kids, and she said

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Speaker 2: she doesn't want to have kids anymore, so I feel

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Speaker 2: like it's an easier decision, and honestly, like I feel

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Speaker 2: like if I had a high level of atipia that

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Speaker 2: get my uterus taken out to be honest at my age,

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Speaker 2: like not planning on having more kids. But unfortunately this

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Speaker 2: you face real problems, especially because doing a cone biopsy

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Speaker 2: could weaken the cervix and cause problems for future pregnancies.

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Speaker 2: Although people, even one of my best friends had this

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Speaker 2: did go early on both of them because her cervix

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Speaker 2: I guess, I guess. The thing is is that it's

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Speaker 2: good someone like Snookie is talking about this because just

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Speaker 2: because she has HPV like so to millions of other people,

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Speaker 2: so it's not like she should be embarrassed to talk

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Speaker 2: perhaps when she had the initial papsme're done, she had

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Speaker 2: the biopsy done and it was a lower grade and

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Speaker 2: it wasn't cancer yet, she could have had treatment done

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Speaker 2: especially if it's caught very early, can be a good prognosis,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes that cone biopsy alone is enough to remove it

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Speaker 2: if there's any of those atypical cells approaching where the

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Speaker 2: surgeon cut it out. But like I said, I'm always

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Speaker 2: a fan of like I mean, you know, there's always

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Speaker 2: once she gets the results from this cone biopsy to

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Speaker 2: see what further surgeries, if any, she needs to get well.

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Speaker 1: Thank god we have the pep smear queen over here

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Speaker 1: to explain all of this, because you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: I do really like that she's going out there just

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Speaker 1: being open about it and telling people, like very honestly,

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Speaker 1: I was very scared, which is why I didn't go

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Speaker 1: turn out to be this horrible prognosis for her, And

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Speaker 1: I think in regards to possibly getting a hysterectomy, like

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Speaker 1: she has admitted, like you were saying earlier, that she's

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Speaker 1: probably done having kids, but the thought that she can't

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Speaker 1: anymore is still upsetting, And like, I'm sure you understand

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Speaker 2: Time, I'm done, so I don't care. I'd rather not

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Speaker 2: have a uteris right now, Honestly, I listen, like I'm

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Speaker 2: not talking shit on her at all because I and

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Speaker 2: maybe it's because I had you when I was fifteen

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Speaker 2: years old, right, I just don't like going to the gynecologist.

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Speaker 2: I don't like getting a PAP smear, like I don't

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Speaker 2: like I know what that entails. It entels them cutting

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Speaker 2: finding out something worse. I mean, really, we see it

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I think anybody could speak out

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Speaker 2: Till you give birth, you'll be quite aware of what

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Speaker 2: that area feels like.

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Speaker 1: No, totally, because like my for me, the worst part

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Speaker 1: especially since I've had that since I've been pregnant, I'm

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Speaker 1: like the pressure is quite different down there. So maybe

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Speaker 1: I think the important message here is you have to

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Speaker 2: It's just like right now, if I said to you, Maria,

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Speaker 2: stick a needle in your eyeball, like you would be

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Speaker 2: like I mentally have to prepare for this appointment. I

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Speaker 2: feel like the same thing with the cervix, just like

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Speaker 2: just like I want to be out completely. And typically

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Speaker 2: not out at all. And that's the thing that could

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Speaker 2: also be talked about with like men's health care versus

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Speaker 2: women's healthcare, and just you know a lot of women

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Speaker 2: without any anthesian stuff. And it's just like some of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that definitely will happen. So Maria could spend one

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Speaker 2: Like that would be the best case scenario. But I

436
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Speaker 2: just think of a bunch of frantic peace people freaking

437
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: out that that happened, That it wasn't the first thing

438
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: on their mind. And maybe since it was such a

439
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: small part of the tip, they didn't realize that that

440
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Speaker 2: it hit even cut off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, Maybe they realize it.

442
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: It seemed like this was a pure accident too. She

443
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: was in the bathroom, she was leaving. It seemed like

444
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Speaker 1: another student accidentally closed the door, not realizing her hand

445
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: was still there, and that's when this happened. I think

446
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: this lawsuit, I don't know. I don't know how it's

447
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: going for it. I mean, they're seeking three hundred thousand dollars.

448
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: They're claiming that the school district was quote negligent, careless, willful,

449
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 1: well and reckless and grossly negligent, like it was an

450
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Speaker 1: accident there. What's the fee? How much they want? Like?

451
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like where do you get the number of three

452
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars?

453
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really Again, this is a question

454
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Speaker 1: we asked constantly, how are we coming up with these figures?

455
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Speaker 1: And I guess the question we have is just are

456
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Speaker 1: they saying about the entire incident or just because they

457
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: threw the fingertip out, Because if it wasn't if it's

458
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: just because they threw the fingertip out, I guess they

459
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Speaker 1: have a case because that did happen. But at the

460
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Speaker 1: same time, I think you're worried that the kids. You're

461
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: worried about the kids well being, right, so you're not

462
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Speaker 1: worried about the fingertip. There might have been so much blood,

463
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: like you're saying, they might have not even realized what happened.

464
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Speaker 1: If it was a small portion of it.

465
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Speaker 2: So I don't.

466
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Speaker 1: Really understand where they're coming at with this unless they're

467
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Speaker 1: just trying to get the medical bills covered.

468
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Speaker 2: I mean, like, and what is fingertip Because as a woman,

469
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: the fingernail is a very important body part. So if

470
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Speaker 2: the fingertip came off with the fingernail included, and she

471
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Speaker 2: no longer has like her whole entire distal fingertip, then

472
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Speaker 2: I think that that is something to consider maybe just

473
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Speaker 2: because I mean, you would if her finger is is

474
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: that much shorter and everything, she could have life long.

475
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: I mean, she'll be fine, she'll surve but like kind

476
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: of a lifelong deformity in a way, and the fingertips shorter,

477
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: so your grasp can be a little bit different in

478
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 2: things like that. But I just feel like if her

479
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: whole entire fingertip got amputated and her nail and everything

480
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: was missing and her finger was actually shorter, that they

481
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Speaker 2: would have noticed that. I don't know. And if like

482
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Speaker 2: if a janitor saw a fingertip with like an actual

483
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Speaker 2: fingernail on it, it would it would be a little

484
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Speaker 2: bit more. I'm just thinking that it was it was

485
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Speaker 2: like a like a pinchy just like on the tip,

486
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Speaker 2: and I guess, and like this money's just kind of

487
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: like not necessary.

488
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. These are the questions we need to answer,

489
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Speaker 1: because if they did knowingly see the fingertip on the

490
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Speaker 1: ground and we're just like, okay, we're gonna throw it out, yes,

491
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Speaker 1: the lawsuit, in my opinion, is worthy at that point.

492
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Speaker 1: But if it was a small piece, they really didn't

493
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: see it. They didn't know what happened. It was purely accental.

494
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Speaker 1: I don't know how this family's going after them.

495
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Speaker 2: Like if I had to get my nails done and

496
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 2: not get one finger done, it would really it would

497
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: really ruin things for me. It would ruin a small

498
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: portion of my life.

499
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: You would figure it out. I don't.

500
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: You can't figure it out. What would you have to wear,

501
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: like a clip on, like one of those ones that

502
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: that used to come with a game when you were

503
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: a little kid, or something like. There's no you can't

504
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: put fake now on skin like that.

505
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Speaker 1: People are born with congenital anomalies that could have a

506
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: shorter finger, like it's not unheard of. People live with it.

507
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: I understand that. I understand that, But this was this

508
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: was an accidental thing that happened. That's all I'm saying.

509
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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by the Grocerom guys.

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511
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Speaker 2: posting today is on Elizabeth Holmes and Farahos. That is

512
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513
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Speaker 2: it was a fake blood collecting company, right, A very

514
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Speaker 2: very crazy case that we're going to get into later

515
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Speaker 2: on in the week on this show, but for this purpose,

516
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Speaker 2: in the gross Room, we really went into all of

517
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Speaker 2: the details about how this woman was able to basically

518
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519
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520
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Speaker 2: tested on actual, real patients that turns out that the

521
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522
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Speaker 2: you know how, I really go into my part of

523
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524
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Speaker 2: with lab regulations and everything like that, and how she

525
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Speaker 2: was somehow able to bypass all of these things that

526
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Speaker 2: we consider our agencies that are put in to keep

527
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Speaker 2: us safe as Americans. So how was she able to

528
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Speaker 2: just bypass all of that stuff? And it's it's really

529
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531
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Speaker 1: All right, So, last week, this fireman flagged down police

532
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Speaker 1: and asked if they could do a welfare check on

533
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Speaker 1: his wife. They get to their house, they find her

534
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: murdered in this completely gruesome, bloody scene. So after questioning him,

535
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Speaker 1: he allegedly confessed to killing her with an AX and

536
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Speaker 1: now reports are saying that moments before he killed her,

537
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Speaker 1: he read her diary, which revealed that she was having

538
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Speaker 1: an affair.

539
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Speaker 2: Like who you hear about this sometimes of people of

540
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Speaker 2: like diaries getting read or getting leaked, like who keeps

541
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Speaker 2: a diary?

542
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people journal, But I don't understand

543
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: why you write something about having an affair in it.

544
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: It's it's it's.

545
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Speaker 2: Like, seriously, the most bizarre thing that anybody would put

546
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Speaker 2: stuff something like that in writing, especially in listen, like

547
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: I might sound like I'm victim blaming, which is not

548
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Speaker 2: cool at all. I just I don't even understand why.

549
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: I don't understand why any person would would do something

550
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, I don't understand. It's just very bizarre

551
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: to me. Like, and you're in the house you're living

552
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: in with that person. If that is even true, that

553
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: that that was what happened.

554
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course that's a detail. We don't know

555
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: for sure. But I think the police said they did

556
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: for cover a diary, but it hasn't been one hundred

557
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: percent confirmed if that's what the contents of it were.

558
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: So I feel like, you know, I understand people do

559
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: journal and I understand a lot of people do it actually,

560
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: but I would I don't understand putting like things that

561
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: are damning like that and could come back to haunt you. Obviously,

562
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying she had a right to die because

563
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Speaker 1: of it. I'm just saying, like, it's odd to me

564
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Speaker 1: that you would put that in there for somebody to

565
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Speaker 1: maybe find.

566
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel, And and and on top

567
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: of that, we have to consider, like I could say,

568
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: with certainty, although I guess people could come back to

569
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: this video and listen to it when if this does

570
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: happen to me that I don't think that my husband,

571
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: even though he's a firefighter and has tools like acces,

572
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: I don't think that he would ever bludgeon me to

573
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: death with one, because like he's never shown any kind

574
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: of signs of behavior like that, right, But this woman,

575
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: there's there's just no way that this guy just did

576
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: this and like never has acted like a crazy person

577
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: before this. So that's what makes me even more question

578
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: why would you why would you have something like that

579
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: laying around that that could further set a person that's

580
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Speaker 2: mentally unstable off like this?

581
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I want to say, like, the cops are

582
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Speaker 1: calling it a horrific domestic violence incident, so was there

583
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Speaker 1: a history of domestic violence going in the house? At first,

584
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: I was trying to think, like, was it a crime

585
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: of passion? Did he read that and immediately black out

586
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: and do it? Right? But then they're saying there's firearms

587
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: in the house, so like, why is he going to

588
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: grab an axe when he has access to a gun

589
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: which could be quicker? You're thinking if it's something really fast? Well, really,

590
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: all this don't really add up to me at all,

591
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Speaker 1: because because when you're pissed and a crime of passion

592
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: and overkill, you wouldn't use a gun.

593
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Speaker 2: It doesn't give you the satisfaction it does of using

594
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Speaker 2: an axe. And and I mean that's that happens all

595
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: the time with murders and things like that. It's interesting.

596
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Speaker 2: One thing I wanted to note was that I saw

597
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Speaker 2: some of the articles said that she had died from

598
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Speaker 2: blunt trauma, and I would have to disagree with that assessment.

599
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: Of course, I didn't see because honestly, I guess in theory,

600
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Speaker 2: if he was holding an axe by the by the

601
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Speaker 2: axe head portion of it and using the stick to

602
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: beat her, that would be considered blunt trauma. But when

603
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: you beat someone to death with an axe, that's considered

604
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily blunt trauma. It's a combination of blunt

605
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 2: and sharp trauma. Because the axe head is very very heavy,

606
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: usually made out of a very heavy metal, so that

607
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: would be the part that would that would cause blunt trauma.

608
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: But then the head of the axe is pointy, that

609
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: would also cause things that would look like a sharp

610
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: wound from a sharp weapon like a knife. So the

611
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: wounds that are very specific called chop wounds that are

612
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Speaker 2: seen in cases like this, and they're they're not the

613
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: same thing you would see beating someone with a baseball bat.

614
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: But they're also not the same thing you would see

615
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Speaker 2: beating someone or stabbing someone with a knife, because when

616
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Speaker 2: you are stabbing someone with a knife, you typically don't

617
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Speaker 2: see a lot of the changes that you would see

618
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Speaker 2: with blunt trauma, which would include lacerations or tears that

619
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Speaker 2: you would say, because when you get cut with a

620
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: sharp knife, that's an incisional wound. We go over this

621
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 2: over all the time. It's not a laceration. A laceration

622
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 2: is when your skin tears from trauma, So you don't

623
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: typically see that in stabbing cases, but in this particular

624
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: case you would see that because it is a combination

625
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: of the wounds. You also with stabbing, you wouldn't see

626
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: things like abrasions as much and bruises as much, like

627
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: things that you would see when you think of doing

628
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: blunt trauma to somebody. So it just has a very

629
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Speaker 2: specific appearance.

630
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Speaker 1: Well, is it possible that he beat her to death

631
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: and then hit her with the ax after.

632
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's possible, but you would still see similar kind

633
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: of things depending on what was done. But I just

634
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: feel like so much more is going to come out

635
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: about this case. I mean, like it is you could

636
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: see someone being very upset in the heat of the

637
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: moment and shooting someone, but just to do something like

638
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: that is just it's just very extra overkill, impulsive and

639
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're gonna hear a lot more about this

640
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: guy's history.

641
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: What if she was keeping a journal and she was

642
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: trying to write a smut book and she was writing

643
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: all her ideas down and he took that as her

644
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: having an affair, Well, I still would say.

645
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 2: I mean, like, like our friend Jend does that all

646
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: the time, right, Like she makes joke smutbooks all the time.

647
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: Like if her husband came across that, that wouldn't be

648
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: his first instinct right to beat her to death with

649
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: an axe, Like I there's there's some level of like

650
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: he's not all there whatever. Even if you do catch

651
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: someone cheating, that is never an excuse to do anything

652
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: like this.

653
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think they were definitely having problems before.

654
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: And if it is, if it is true she detailed

655
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: an affair she was actually having in a journal, I

656
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: think that's to write something incriminating like that down. But

657
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: it's obviously his fault that he responded that way. Yeah,

658
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: and she deserved a die over it. So like, I

659
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: think we're going to see a lot more come out

660
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: about this guy. And they've been married for what, like

661
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: I think fifteen years about so what happened.

662
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: And it looks like the fire department only put out

663
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: a statement saying that he was on like leave or something,

664
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: administrative leave, administrative leave. But you ever noticed and sometimes

665
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: in cases like that, like if they really believe that

666
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: their coworker and their employee is like a decent person,

667
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: they would put out a statement saying so and so

668
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: worked for us for this many years and has always

669
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: been an upstanding, you know, employee of this fire department.

670
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: Like they're very like quiet about it, which makes me

671
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: think that this isn't a surprise.

672
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: Maybe well, I also want to point out that he's

673
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: being held on two million dollar bail, which is only

674
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: a million dollars more than the Pennsylvania grave Robert Jonathan Gurlock.

675
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: Even though this man allegedly confessed to murder his wife

676
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: with an ax.

677
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: This is another thing too, Like and I know that

678
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: we had this answer several times. I just still can't

679
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: wrap my head around it. Like I I think that

680
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: this guy, uh like I if I found out that

681
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: my neighbor beat their wife to death with an axe,

682
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: like that guy is so mentally unstable. I don't want

683
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: him to ever be able to just go home and

684
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: be on house arrest until his hearing date, Like, no,

685
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: what that to me? Just I feel like he's someone

686
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: that needs to be out of society for right now anyway.

687
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 2: So I mean, listen, he's a firefighter, and I doubt

688
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: that he'll ever come up with a million dollars to

689
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: get himself out of jail anyway. But you never know,

690
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 2: there could be some lunatic person that wants to donate

691
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: money to him to let him out, Like it's not impossible,

692
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: and the fact that it's even possible just sucks, you know.

693
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, So there's a new flesh eating

694
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: parasite on the scene, and it may be coming towards

695
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: the US.

696
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: So it's not really new. It's been here before, but

697
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: I guess in the United States at least we've gotten

698
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: rid of it. But now they're seeing cases of it

699
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: in Mexico so close that it's coming and approaching Texas,

700
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: and they are saying now that they're just putting out

701
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: a warning because just give it enough time and it'll

702
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: cross the border into the United States and it could

703
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: potentially become a problem. So this parasite comes from a

704
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: fly and it's called the screw worm, and I guess

705
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: it can go on any kind of hosts, particularly cattle.

706
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: It's that's what they're worried about, I guess, because especially

707
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: because or tattle, Texas produces the most amount of cattle

708
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 2: that is in the entire United States, So they want

709
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: to make sure that it doesn't go through the cows

710
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: there and it could land on their mucous membranes or

711
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 2: their skin and cause these large necrotic or flesh eating

712
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: wounds that if they do not get treated, it could

713
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: like take down a cow in a whole entire cow

714
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: in a week and kill it. So the concern is

715
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: with humans is that humans are also warm blooded animals

716
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: that could host this particular worm too. So they're just

717
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: putting the alert out there to just say like, hey,

718
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: if you just so happen to get this weird wound

719
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: that looks like it's not healing, you better go get

720
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: it checked out because it could be this new or

721
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: this reemergence of this parasite we thought that was eradicated

722
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: from America at this point.

723
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand the concern with Texas because I mean,

724
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm the breakfaces with my knowledge of how ranches were

725
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: strictly tied to the show Yellowstone, but other than that,

726
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: I would say, like they have these they have these

727
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: cattles spread out on these enormous properties, and I doubt

728
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: they're like checking their full bodies every single day, right,

729
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: So if it could take the cow out in as

730
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: early as a week, that's very worrisome.

731
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's hard with things like this that are

732
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: flyborn parasites. It's just very hard because, like, think about

733
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: this when you're outside. It's just like the same with

734
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: mosquito born illness and stuff like how do you prevent

735
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: yourself from getting bit by a fly or a mosquito.

736
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: It's just very hard because they're in the air and

737
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: they're quiet, and they you know, they multiply like like crazy.

738
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: So there's going to have to be a lot of things.

739
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: I mean. Obviously, the reason that they brought it up

740
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: is because there's been seven people who have died from

741
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: it now, which is not anything to panic about in

742
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: the grand scheme of how many people are in the world.

743
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: But they've also tested a lot of cattle that have

744
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: been positive over a thousand, so they want to just

745
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: kind of try to control it before it becomes a

746
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: bigger problem, you know what I mean.

747
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've found it interesting that they were saying

748
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: they had previously eradicated these but they keep finding their

749
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: way back somehow.

750
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: They're very virulent, guys. I guess it's it. I mean,

751
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm just like, there's another virus too. I've been hearing

752
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: about that they've been talking about. So it's like, and

753
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to alarm you guys, because

754
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes I mean, like, obviously it happened

755
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: with COVID, but since COVID, you just always have to

756
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: take into consideration, like how much play all of these

757
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: news organizations got from COVID. The same thing just happened

758
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: this week with the snowstorm around here.

759
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just texted you about that because I'm like,

760
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: the way people are acting is like we're gonna be

761
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: in this post apocalyptic era with this snowstorm, which, by

762
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: the way, I think my town only got like seven

763
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: inches or something, which is a lot of snow, and

764
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: it did disrupt life to an extent, right, But they're

765
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: acting like everybody's power is gonna go out when you

766
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: I went to the grocery store last Wednesday, which was

767
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: days before the snowstorm, they had like nothing there. It

768
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: was insane.

769
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: My neighbor went to the grocery store and took video

770
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: of Wegmans. There was no bread in that whole entire

771
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: huge area, like not even like Pepperidge Farm cinnamon bread,

772
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: no bread at all and no produce at all in

773
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: the whole entire grocery store. And and like you're you're

774
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: just like, what is happening right now? Bread is the

775
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: weirdest thing because bread, bread is like the most perishable item,

776
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: right Like why why wouldn't like the canned good I'll

777
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: be be like empty or whatever. I don't understand it,

778
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: but no, it.

779
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: Was like lunch meat, bread, milk, eggs, all extremely perishable items.

780
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: But it's and and you know what else is funny too.

781
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: I noticed my husband was outside shoveling, literally, and I

782
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: get news alerts and see post online that are talking

783
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: about the next storm that's coming this weekend. Right they're

784
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: already trying to hype up another one. And it's just

785
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: like obviously because everybody's like what clicks on it? And

786
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: that's what happens, like going off track, but that's what

787
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: happens with these stories because everybody is so scared of

788
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: something like COVID. Ever, happening again that every single time

789
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: they post about this like new bacteria or new parasite,

790
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: like they tried to do it with monkey pocks and it,

791
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: and like I just try to go through and explain

792
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: what it is and hopefully you guys could just figure

793
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 2: out that, like it's really not that big of a deal,

794
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 2: but just it could get someone sick. So just if

795
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: you live on the border in Texas, I guess suppose

796
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: it's more of an issue for you. But I don't

797
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: think that that this is going to be such a

798
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 2: problem that like we're never gonna have steak again and

799
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: every person's gonna have like flesh eating lesions on their hands.

800
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I think with COVID too, it's just like

801
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's one of those things out you know,

802
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: like everybody knows where they were on nine to eleven.

803
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: Everybody knows where they were the day the world got

804
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: shut down from COVID, Like we were at a party

805
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: and everybody started getting alerts on their phone that their

806
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: works shut down and nobody could leave their house as

807
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: of like the next day, and everybody's like, yeah, fucking right,

808
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever. And then you saw what happened like

809
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: we werecouraged not to leave our homes for months at

810
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: a time. And meanwhile, I'm like, well, I've been hearing

811
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: about this for like four months, so I was prepared

812
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: for it, but a lot of people had no idea

813
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: about it, So I don't really know. I think it's

814
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: definitely like the news is definitely latching onto the fear mongering,

815
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: and they're definitely getting clicks. And we have to remember,

816
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: like they get money based on clicks, based on the articles,

817
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: so of course they're gonna try to amp everything up.

818
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: So people are looking at the articles. We live in

819
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: the worst world ever right now.

820
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: Seriously, it is it's like it's just sad because it's

821
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: like you can't and maybe it's always been like this

822
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: and we just we're like getting smarter now and realizing it,

823
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: but you just don't. You don't really ever know what

824
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: to take it face value anymore. So yeah, turn to

825
00:44:53,960 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 2: this show to get the real deal. Okay, this sorry,

826
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 2: this is labeled. Woman was euthanized against her will. I

827
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: mean you could say the same exact thing about the

828
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: firefighter's wife who was just killed. She was also euthanized

829
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: against her will, right, Like what happened here.

830
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Well, I guess they're using this on a technicality. So

831
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: this man is being accused of having his wife euthanized

832
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: against her will because he did not want to take

833
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: care of her any longer. So I think most people

834
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: would probably call the terminology murder, but we'll get into

835
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: the specifics to see why maybe they're phrasing it that way.

836
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: So this woman is in her eighties, She had complications

837
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: after a coronary artery bypass graph surgery. She was declining

838
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: very quickly and her husband began caring for her. So

839
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: as she got worse, the husband struggled to take care

840
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: of her. She had express interest in MAIDE, which is

841
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: medical aid and dying, which is legal in Canada, but

842
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: when the assessor got there, she was expressing regret and

843
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: said she no longer wanted to go through with it.

844
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: Why next day they go to the hospital. She at

845
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: that point wants to go on hospice. They get denied

846
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: for hospice, so the husband calls the made assessor again

847
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: or the provider again. They send out a secondary assessor

848
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: who then agrees to have her go through with it.

849
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: So I guess when these cases go through a judge

850
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: has to review them. So the first judge was like, wait,

851
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I thought she already backed out of it, and the

852
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: second judge is like, no, I'm approving it. And then

853
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: the maid provider declared that her situation was urgent, so

854
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: they sent a third assessor before the other judge could

855
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: have a look at the case. They agreed with the

856
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: second assessor, and then she was euthanized that night.

857
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, clearly I don't know how things work

858
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: in Canada, because I guess my first thing was if

859
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: if she I don't understand what denied hospice means. I

860
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: mean like, either I don't know that's something I don't

861
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: I don't under I don't understand that because hospice is

862
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: just special care to make sure that you're comfortable and

863
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: you know, as you're dying. So I don't know why

864
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: she would be denied that other than maybe she wasn't

865
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: that bad. I don't know how things happen in Canada,

866
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: So I guess I could see from the perspective of

867
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: the medical aid and dying people that maybe they thought

868
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: she had changed her mind again because she was denied

869
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: hospice and just didn't want to live anymore. But I

870
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: mean they're looking back on this case and looking at

871
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: other similar cases and just saying like they, you know,

872
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: when they send over those people to come talk. The

873
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: husband was there the whole time, and it seems like

874
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: he was the one that was talking about having her

875
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: do this euthanasia, and it doesn't really seem like she

876
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: personally expressed it herself. And then it brings up questions

877
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: of like, when you're getting interviewed for that process, should

878
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: you really have someone in the room with you that

879
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: might be pressuring you, like a husband that's just kind

880
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 2: of like, I can't do this anymore. It's so hard

881
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: to take care of you. I have to wipe your ass,

882
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: I have to feed you all the time, like no,

883
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: And I know it's a lot. It could be a

884
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: lot for a caregiver, especially like a male one that

885
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: is old and is just like never used to taking

886
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: care of a person like that, like maybe she took

887
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: care of their family the whole time. And well, I

888
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: think this is a large ethical concern people have with

889
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: this because they're worried about people either persuading or taking

890
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: a person that can't really communicate that well with certain

891
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: conditions like dementia or if they're just declining really badly

892
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: and you know, just like speaking on behalf of them,

893
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: and this is really not a case where that should

894
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: be allowed. They had said in one case where a

895
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: person wanted medical aid and dying and that they signaled

896
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: their desire to have it done by squeezing their loved

897
00:48:54,560 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: one's hand. I mean, how did they even allow that? Yeah, yeah,

898
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: I mean that, And that's going to be that's gonna

899
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 2: be all of the ethical questions that come up with this,

900
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 2: you know, And in Canada is like really lax with it, right,

901
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: like you could get it if you're depressed in Canada

902
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: and things like that, whereas in the United States it's

903
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: a little bit more strict as far as the guidelines

904
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: where you could be eligible for that. But yeah, I mean,

905
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: it's kind of a sad story, especially because you know

906
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,479
Speaker 2: this comes out now and and and then they're older people,

907
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: but they probably have kids and grandkids and stuff, and

908
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: you don't you don't want this to be like final

909
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: memories of what happened with your family. And you're also

910
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: sympathetic though towards the husband, because I do know a

911
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: couple people who have been caregivers and situations like that,

912
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: and it's it's a lot for people to deal with,

913
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: even if you're a young, healthy person that to see

914
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: someone that you love like disintegrating and dying like that

915
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: and having to take care of them on top of

916
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: just maybe not being the best person for the job,

917
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: and then getting denied help which would be hospiced to

918
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: have like a nurse come over and have the medication

919
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: for pain management and things like that. I mean, you

920
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: could see, you could just see why this situation got

921
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: ugly like this.

922
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: Oh totally. And I think a part of it too,

923
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: is that sometimes there are caregivers that aren't good hearted,

924
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: people that genuinely are complaining about it so often in

925
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: front of the person being cared for that the person

926
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: being cared for then starts getting the mentality like I

927
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: would be better off dead than having this person suffer

928
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: because I'm disabled in some type of way. So I

929
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: think this is why they are supposed to do the

930
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: assessments and make sure the person actually wants it. But no,

931
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: that's a good point that you brought up too, because,

932
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: like you feel, you do, I imagine I've never been

933
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: in this situation, but you imagine that I'm just trying

934
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: to put myself in this situation that Gabe and I

935
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: are are older people, and like, you know, I need

936
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: help going to the bathroom every single time, and just

937
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I because I hate

938
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: that for myself, Like I don't like to be a

939
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: burden on people. So you could feel that you would

940
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: feel like guilty about have someone having to basically like

941
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: give up their whole life to to babysit you and

942
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: to like take care of you all the time and

943
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: things like that. So I mean, on the smallest scale,

944
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: when I had my surgery, I felt awful that you

945
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: and Ricky had to like help me get up off

946
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: the couch, you know. And that's like not a full

947
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: time thing. That was what two to three days. So

948
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: I can't imagine feeling like that every single day of

949
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: your life. And then especially if you have somebody that's

950
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: not a very nice person or not sensitive to your situation,

951
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: that's complaining all the time and making you feel guilty

952
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: about it, it's gonna affect your mentality.

953
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally see that.

954
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: All right, on to your questions and emails. If you

955
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: guys have questions or stories for us, please submit them

956
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: to stories at mothernosdeath dot com. What do you review

957
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: CT imaging before cutting for autopsy to know what you're

958
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 1: getting into?

959
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we if we have imaging in the chart, yes,

960
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: I would always look through it. Not necessarily the images themselves,

961
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: just because oftentimes, unless it's very obvious, I have no

962
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: idea what I'm looking at because I'm not a radiologist,

963
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: but it definitely would read all of the imaging reports

964
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: and you know, obviously any previous surgeries or call anybody

965
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: if I had any questions about what was done. I

966
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 2: think it's I think it's just kind of dumb to

967
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: not do that. If you have someone's chart and all

968
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: of their medical history and testing, like, why would of course,

969
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: why wouldn't I look at it first? It just gives

970
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 2: you more information to go in uh before you go

971
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: into the autopsy. But as far as cases go, like

972
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 2: get the medical examiner's office, they oftentimes don't have access

973
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: to a lot of that stuff, so sometimes you have

974
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: to go in blindly. Sometimes we get patients that come

975
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: into the hospital and like die as soon as they

976
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: get there, and sometimes we don't have access to it.

977
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: But whatever we have access to, we definitely look over

978
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: in detail before starting the autopsy.

979
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: Why didn't you say sometimes it might be better to

980
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: not have those so you're not swayed a certain way

981
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: going to it.

982
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: No, because I would just like to know. I would

983
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: just like to know everything going in. I don't. I

984
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: don't think that it would because a lot of times,

985
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: like if a person had a previous surgery or something like,

986
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: you just want to know. You just want to know

987
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: what you should be looking for. And the best thing

988
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: to do when you're doing an autopsy, too, is to

989
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: document things that are already known. So the person had

990
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: their appendix removed already, so when you go in there,

991
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: you should see that their appendix is removed, and like

992
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: find the clips where the surgery was, and their gallbladder

993
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: is removed, and things like that are a piece of

994
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: their colon because if you just open someone up, I mean,

995
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 2: especially a lot of the autopsies that I've done have

996
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: been really really sick people that have had like ten surgeries,

997
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: and like they're just they're just really really their anatomy

998
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: is just completely distorted. Like I want to go in

999
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 2: there and know what the hell was done to them?

1000
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: Is that supposed to look like? That is that not

1001
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: supposed to look like that, Like what surgery did they have?

1002
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: What year did they have it? You know why? Because

1003
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: think about that too with bowel surgery, especially when they

1004
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 2: start going in and like taking chunks of people's boll

1005
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: out and re routing it here and moving it here,

1006
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: like you just it's just better to know what happened.

1007
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: And like I said, like sometimes you just you just

1008
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: don't know, and then you just have to be like, Okay,

1009
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: well I'm looking at this right now, and it looks

1010
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: like this person had this, But you also want to know,

1011
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: for example, if a person had like ulcerated kolitis or

1012
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: something like that, because that increases their risk for coalon

1013
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: cancer or or just different kinds of diseases, and surgeries

1014
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: might key you off onto something else that's going on

1015
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: in a different part of the body. So it's just

1016
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: like I'm like, the more information I know, the better

1017
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 2: kind of thing, all right.

1018
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: Next is from Jen on your January twentieth show. You

1019
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: had asked if there was a legal limit placed on

1020
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: radiologists prohibiting them from reading more than X amount of

1021
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 1: hours or exams per day. Shockingly, there is no limit.

1022
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: The rads explained that the reason they are forced to

1023
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: work one hundred plus hours per week during their residency

1024
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: is to eliminate the weakest of the herd and only

1025
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 1: the strongest and most resilient. Move forward. That being said,

1026
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: and this next part will scare the Bejesus out of you.

1027
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: They also said that even with a full night's sleep

1028
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: and years of experience, they could still miss things. I

1029
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: could vouch for this first hand many years ago when

1030
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: I spotted a skull fracture on a fifteen year old

1031
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: boy that the radiologists read as negative. Keep asking questions

1032
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 1: that give me a reason to bust in the reading

1033
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: room at work and bunk the crap out of the radiologist.

1034
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: It's bad enough I already stumped with mystery diagnosis. Mondays.

1035
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: I love that, No, this is really good information because

1036
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: like we don't obviously, like I've never worked in radiology,

1037
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: and I just have a lot of questions about it.

1038
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: And that's really interesting that there there's not an amount

1039
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: that has to that you know, that you have to

1040
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: read in a certain amount of time. Let me tell

1041
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: you something with the whole citology thing, that was never

1042
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: that was never a thing like cytotexts used to be

1043
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: able to read as many slides as possible, and it

1044
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: got such a business. It got to the point where

1045
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: cytotechs were like taking slides home with them after work

1046
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 2: and they had a microscope at their house and they

1047
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: were continuing to work for more money. And the reason

1048
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: that there was a huge limit put on it was

1049
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: because a cancer got missed on a papsmerror by some

1050
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: important person his wife. And then that's when they started

1051
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 2: putting all of these limits onto how many slides a

1052
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 2: cyto attech could look at a day because apparently she

1053
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: had cervical cancer or pre cancerous cells that were missed

1054
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: on paps mirror in one of these situations where people

1055
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 2: were looking at slides, you know, off hours after looking

1056
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: at so many a day, and he was in a

1057
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: position to put forth legislation to stop that. So I'm

1058
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: assuming if something like that happened with radiology at some

1059
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: point that something like that could be done too, But

1060
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: I don't that's this is another question for you, actually,

1061
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: like what kinds of checks and balances do you have,

1062
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: because you're saying a radiologist missed the skull fracture, but

1063
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: did she say what she was as a profession I

1064
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: don't attack a radiology attack or possibly even a nurse

1065
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: or somebody looking at it, like what are what's the

1066
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: backup to catch things? Because that's that's typically like most

1067
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: things in the hospital have a backup PAP smears. The

1068
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: thing with pap smears is they don't always like we would,

1069
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: let's say we look at a hundred slides like every

1070
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: day you would do like a QC, so you would

1071
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: just go look at a couple of that person's slides

1072
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: and just make sure they didn't miss anything. But like

1073
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: if they weren't, if the other slides weren't looked at,

1074
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: then you could miss it. So I could see that.

1075
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: I just think it's ridiculous that something like that had

1076
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: to happen for legislation to go through because it's like,

1077
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: how many people that didn't have means or power did

1078
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: that happen to? And then it takes it happening to

1079
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 1: somebody like that for something to actually be done.

1080
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean it sucks, but that's that's

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Speaker 2: the way things are. And I mean it was good

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Speaker 2: that it got done eventually, especially because during that time

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Speaker 2: period that was before like HPV testing and stuff like

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Speaker 2: the PAP smer And that was before all the special

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Speaker 2: like mono layer PAP tests and every thing. This was

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Speaker 2: back in the day where you literally just took like

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Speaker 2: a cervical scraping and wiped it on a slide. It

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00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 2: was chunky, it was messy, especially like if a woman

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Speaker 2: was bleeding, either from period or just from the procedure itself.

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Speaker 2: There was just such a higher probability of missing cells anyway.

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Speaker 2: So and that was the only thing that they had

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Speaker 2: for a while to really screen for cervical cancer. Now

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Speaker 2: it's like they could do the HPV testing and the

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Speaker 2: thin layer of everything, so they have computers that could

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Speaker 2: read slides. Now it's just like a lot different, But

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Speaker 2: back in the day it was it was important, all right.

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Speaker 1: Last is from Alyssa. Thanks for the entertainment of MKD.

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Speaker 1: Each week. My kids tease me constantly about my grocery

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Speaker 1: podcasts and always make it dramatic. What are you listening to?

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Speaker 1: A few weeks ago I listened to the endometrios this

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00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: episode with my eleven year old. We have really open

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Speaker 1: communication and talk a lot about puberty and what to expect.

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Speaker 1: The episode brought up some great talking points, including it's

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Speaker 1: not comfortable to have your period, but it's also not

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Speaker 1: normal to be bedbound each month. Preach. Women don't talk

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Speaker 1: enough about a demetriosis. So I'm glad you had this

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Speaker 1: episode to bring up an important topic. I was able

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Speaker 1: to better explain what is normal with a period and

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01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: what is definitely not normal. I encourage her to advocate

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Speaker 1: for herself if she was feeling more than normal cramping

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Speaker 1: and bleeding. On another note, Ricky cuts my teenage son's hair.

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Speaker 1: I would and put the connection together when I saw

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Speaker 1: Maria like the barber shop and pondered how many redheaded

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Speaker 1: barbers named Ricky could there be. At a recent mom's

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01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,479
Speaker 1: side out, I realized how many local moms have Ricky

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Speaker 1: cutting their son's hair. We chatted about how great he

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Speaker 1: is and always makes the effort to chat with the boys,

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Speaker 1: even if they don't say much better. I made sure

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Speaker 1: to tell them about mother Knows Death. Thanks for great

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Speaker 1: show and awesome topics.

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Speaker 2: That's great. I love that. Yeah, And it is like

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Speaker 2: you know, cause I have, like obviously, aside from Maria,

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Speaker 2: I have two pewbescent girls, one of which had just

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Speaker 2: got her period recently, so like, it's really important to

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Speaker 2: talk about to just make it like normal in the house.

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing is normal with the dad, because like,

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Speaker 2: my husband's in a house with all girls, and like

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Speaker 2: that can't be a subject that's taboo for him to

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Speaker 2: discuss and.

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Speaker 1: What she needs to be comfortable.

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Speaker 2: One awesome thing about Gabe that I knew he was

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Speaker 2: going to be like a good girl dad was that

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Speaker 2: when when I started dating Maria, Gabe was or Maria

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Speaker 2: or when I started dating Maria Jesus Christ. When I

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Speaker 2: started dating Gabe, Maria was thirteen and she had like

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Speaker 2: a situation at school where she got like blood on

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Speaker 2: her pants, and I remember Gabe went to school and

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Speaker 2: brought her pants, and I thought that that was so

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Speaker 2: cool because I was just like, this guy is like

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Speaker 2: a firefighter and he's kind of like a man man,

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Speaker 2: and I just was like, this is like he's not

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01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: weirded out by this at all to do this to

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Speaker 2: someone that you know that he had just met child,

1144
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I thought that that

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01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 2: was cool, and but yeah, it's important for it to

1146
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: just be not weird because they don't know what's normal

1147
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: and what's not normal, and and like they should feel

1148
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: comfortable telling you you know, you got your own life,

1149
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: so you're not paying attention to like how many days

1150
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Speaker 2: are they bleeding? What's their flow? What's this that you know?

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Speaker 1: So you really should just like.

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Speaker 2: Just be able to talk about it like it's normal

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01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: and it's not anything that's like gross or something.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're very glad you like your haircuts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, Ricky could talk. Ricky could doesn't stop talking.

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Speaker 1: And we joke that he picked the perfect job because

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01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: there's a running joke that all cane men love staring

1158
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: at themselves in the mirrors. Gets look at himself in

1159
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: the mirror all day and talk to everybody. He makes

1160
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: friends wherever we go. Sometimes it's a good thing. Sometimes

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: it is the worst thing ever, Like you don't have

1162
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: to talk to every stranger you make eye contact.

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Speaker 2: That would be the worst.

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Speaker 1: You've witnessed it at the filling game. It happens a lot,

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Speaker 1: all right, guys. Don't forget. We have our Valentine's Day

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Speaker 1: merg collection on the doormattershop dot com. You could also

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Speaker 1: find that link in the grossroom or on the description

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Speaker 1: of this episode. We also have tickets for our City

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Speaker 1: Vineyard show in New York City on February twenty first

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Speaker 1: for sale that is only in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: which is crazy. It's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about that, though I haven't decided what I'm

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Speaker 2: wearing yet, did you.

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Speaker 1: I bought a dress, but I might need to repurpose

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Speaker 1: it for another thing we have.

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Speaker 2: See, I wasn't gonna wear a dress because it's probably

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Speaker 2: gonna be like ten degrees out. Well, clothes don't fit

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Speaker 2: me right now, so that kind of you sound like

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Speaker 2: me and girls like this is the only thing that

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Speaker 2: fits me.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel. I'm actually gonna pull that meme

1182
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Speaker 1: out of what was it, Regina George saying it like

1183
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: none of my pants have fit me since I want

1184
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: to say around on Christmas, and now my leggings are

1185
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: sharting to not fit me. I'm about to exclusively be

1186
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: in pregnancy pants, which they're kind of awesome. I'm not

1187
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: gonna lie so whatever, but I'm having a hard time

1188
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: because now my shirts are starting to not fit because

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Speaker 1: my belly is getting too big, and none of my

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Speaker 1: dresses fit me. I mean, I was supposed to wear

1191
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Speaker 1: the dress you woard of my wedding. Dadani's wedding and

1192
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: it wouldn't even zip up my back. So we're having

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Speaker 1: a hard time. We're even a dress emergency this week

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Speaker 1: because nothing fits me. But whatever, it is, what it is.

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Speaker 1: But what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 2: Long story, It's not like it's not like you're just

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Speaker 2: gaining weight like Regina George Watson. Don't know why? Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I have and it'll go away and you'll

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Speaker 2: be normal again.

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Speaker 1: I have a whole child growing in my stomach, so

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01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: I'll give myself a pass. But like, I am really

1202
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: having a hard time finding clothes that fit me in

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01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: are the ugliest things?

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Speaker 2: Are you regretting not doing a surrogacy? No?

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Speaker 1: No, As I said on the YouTube live on Friday,

1206
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: this is the coolest thing that's ever happened to be.

1207
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: But it is a weird things. Seeing your body change

1208
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: and now feeling a person moving around inside. It's very weird,

1209
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: but it's also super cool at the same time. But

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Speaker 1: to answer your question, I don't know what I'm wearing

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01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: the City Vineyard yet, but hoping some of our true

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Speaker 1: we're always gonna have the most outrageous stories to share.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be fun. It'll be really fun. So check

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Speaker 2: that out.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, please head over at Apple or Spotify

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Speaker 1: our YouTube channel, and if you have stories for us,

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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow, guys. Thank you for listening to Mother

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Speaker 2: Knows Death. As a reminder, my training is as a

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Speaker 2: pathologists assistant. I have a master's level education and specialize

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Speaker 2: in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a doctor

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Speaker 2: and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or

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Speaker 2: alive without the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show,

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Speaker 2: my website, and social media accounts are designed to educate

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Speaker 2: and inform people based on my experience working in pathology,

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Speaker 2: so they can make healthier decisions regarding their life and

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Speaker 2: well being. Always remember that science is changing every day

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Speaker 2: and the opinions expressed in this episode are based on

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Speaker 2: my knowledge of those subjects at the time of publication.

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Speaker 2: If you are having a medical problem, have a medical question,

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Speaker 2: or having a medical emergency, please contact your physician or

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