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Speaker 1: get into the NFC East. What are we doing with

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Speaker 1: George Pickens? Is he going to be a consistent Fantasy starter?

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Speaker 1: You know? Maybe a Y receiver three, maybe even a

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Speaker 1: This year, Brian Schottenheimer taken over, I mean, what an

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Speaker 1: But yeah, as of right now, I think Pickens probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So, just which running back is he gonna emerge

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Speaker 2: Blue is definitely a flyer, don't go crazy, But just

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Speaker 2: He's definitely the guy I'm targeting.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was really solid last year when given

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Speaker 2: you know the floorcase with him as if those pop

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Speaker 2: This is a situation. I'm probably gonna be updating my

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Speaker 2: but I can go either way, how about you, Tracy?

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Speaker 2: About like, yeah, I think Dart is definitely a prospect

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Speaker 1: is part of it, but just in general, Kevin Moore's gone,

430
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: Like the Eagles under Sirianni were, oh, kind of tilted

431
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: toward run heavy, but never that run heavy. Now you're

432
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: gonna have a first place schedule because remember, no one

433
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: ever wins the NFC East two years in a row.

434
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a first place schedule. Again, your defense

435
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: did take a hit, even though it's still talented. You're

436
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: probably gonna be in more trailing game scripts. So I

437
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: think just pass attempt wise, right, like just natural regression,

438
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: because you know volume is more sticky than efficiency. Generally,

439
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: especially for quarterbacks, like attempts and stuff. But like with

440
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, like there's still gonna be regression towards the

441
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: mean in terms of his passing volume. I think, I mean,

442
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: it's just hard to go through season averaging like twenty

443
00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: five twenty six attempts, and so I think all the

444
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: Eagles pass catchers could be a little bit undervalued from

445
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: from that standpoint, and I think Goddard would be the

446
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: most useful because I mean, look at the tight look

447
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: at the mid range tight end ones, which always tends

448
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: to be like a shit show anyway, Kelsey is old

449
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews. I mean he did like he was like

450
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: a floor or fly full back for half the year

451
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: and just survives off touchdowns and he's got likely breathing

452
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: down his neck. I mean, there's a lot of land

453
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: mines in the mid range tight end one tier. So

454
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Speaker 1: if I could just wait and take Goddard as like

455
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: a you know, tight end fifteen, tight end twelve, whatever

456
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: it is, I'm doing it. Honestly. I think I think

457
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: it's uh. I don't think there's been much fall off

458
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: and drop off in his play, and the health is

459
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: the health, I mean Zach. Look at Zach Ertz last year,

460
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: he was fine.

461
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just in that range. It's just

462
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: kind of what you're going for. I think he has

463
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: probably the highest floor, uh in that range. But you

464
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: got guys like you know, rookies like Houlston Cleveland and

465
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren. We have a wider range of outcomes in

466
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: that range. So would you take Goddard over those guys

467
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: or are you still taking the rookie upside there?

468
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: Oh I'm I'm I'm all in on Loveland Warren. I could,

469
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: I could see it. That's kind of a camp situation.

470
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 1: I think I think, you know, war we do have

471
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: to respect the talent, but the coat it could it

472
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: could be ugly. We know this, Anthony Richards, I mean

473
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: even Daniel Jones not not not great so but yeah,

474
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: I think I think I probably mean Warren as of now,

475
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: just because the unknown and the upside, like you said,

476
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: but season long, I do think got It could be

477
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: a more consistent guy than we think, like four catches

478
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: fifty yards and like you said, if Saqua's not getting

479
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: those long tuddies, you could see some I just think

480
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts passing Eagle's passing aggression toward toward the mean

481
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: no matter how you slice it, with those with the waiting,

482
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: with the numbers from last year, so and and and

483
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: it's not and the coordinator's not there. So I'm in

484
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: on Goddard. What's your question for Philly here? Yeah, well, it's.

485
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: Not that interesting because this offense is so top heavy.

486
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: But you know, if Kenneth Gainwell gone, we got Will

487
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: Shipley and AJ Dillon now backing up Saquon Barkley. Which

488
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: of those two do you think will be the handcuff

489
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: for Sakuon Barkley?

490
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: Gotta be Shipley. You know they draft with they spend

491
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: a it was a fourth or fifth fifth rounder on

492
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: him last season and then he went gain will go.

493
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: Dylan hasn't really been a factor in a while, So

494
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: I think Shipley's going to be next up here. What

495
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: about you?

496
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. I think Shipley's the handcuff.

497
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: AJ Dillon was. He missed the entire season with that

498
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 2: neck injury, so we don't know what he looks like.

499
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: We don't kind of form he's going to return to.

500
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: I think that if the only time you're ever going

501
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: to play these guys is if Saquon's out, and I

502
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: think in that situation, you know, Shipley would handle well

503
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: most of the work. But I think AJ Dillon were

504
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: mixing a lot more on early downs potentially goal line situations,

505
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: but I think Shipley would be the guy. It would

506
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: be definitely much more of a committee than if you know,

507
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: Saquon we're healthy. But yeah, I think Shipley's a clear

508
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: handcuff here, but one of those things just kind of

509
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: monitor during training camp.

510
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Shipley is one of my favorite basketball picks.

511
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: I think he is kind of one of those anti

512
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: fragile picks in the sense that like zero RB is

513
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: not really anti fragile anymore because everyone kind of waits

514
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: like there's like this big gap, like the frozen pond

515
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: tier is just it's there's no pond anymore, Like it's

516
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: it's just everyone's just like people wide receivers for like

517
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: those middle rounds, and then there's these glut of running

518
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: backs and quarterbacks and tight ends. But Shipley is just

519
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: like even projecting him as the backup, you know, running

520
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: backs tend to miss you know, two to three games.

521
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: He's still just draftable in at least in best Ball

522
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: as like your last rast running back on your bench.

523
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: So but if anything happens with Sakon or you know,

524
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: just you know, in general, with those early round guys,

525
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that's gonna benefit because he

526
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: goes so late. Like a lot of times I get

527
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: him with my last pick in Best Ball, so he

528
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: has been Yeah, I love him in Best Ball, and

529
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: I think I think AJ Dillon, I mean, I don't

530
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: know if AJ Dillon would even be the number two.

531
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: They they're starting to sign a lot of these satellite

532
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: guys like uh Keewan Robinson. They got Avery Williams though

533
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: he might be convert to wide receiver. But yeah, Dylan,

534
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he couldn't beat out Emmanuel Wilson a couple

535
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: of years ago in the postseason like he was losing snaps.

536
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: So he doesn't doesn't bode well and he doesn't run big,

537
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: so early down I thought I thought he thought. I

538
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: think he plays best on pass downs. But just watching him,

539
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: so I'm not high on Dylan at all.

540
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing on Yeah, my overall question is kind of rhetorical.

541
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: Obviously will Shipley here, but I like your Best Ball

542
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: approach on him. One other thing that I think is

543
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: sneaky with Shipley and best ball and not having a

544
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 2: pick which games you play him as if the Eagles

545
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: are up a ton and they play the second and

546
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: usually in those situations they're running the ball shit ton,

547
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: that would be Shipley, so he gets some cheap touchdowns

548
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: late in the game, even in weeks for Saquon Barkley's

549
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: healthy and takes all the work when the game's competitive,

550
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: but Shipley can get you know, some garbage time points,

551
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: so he does. He has some sneaky upside even Barkley's healthy,

552
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: So I agree that that the upside's there and where

553
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: he's drafted, that's that's an excellent range to take a

554
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: guy that has injury upside like that, So I agree.

555
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: I think it's it's clearly Shipley as Saquon's handcuff.

556
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Saguon Barkley's on the other side of peak running back age,

557
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: and he had regular season in playoffs combined four hundred

558
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: and eighty two touches.

559
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: That reals like, you know the injuries coming, and no

560
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: one ever wins the NFC East two years in a row,

561
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: so you know, it's like it's just not going to

562
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: be a smooth sailing for the Eagles this year.

563
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: But if it is ship, we may be a beast

564
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: in the Fantasy playoffs because that's around the time when

565
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: the Eagles, you know, they can start playing more of

566
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: their backups, and it like hurts text to miss time

567
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: around then. Every year it seems like so yeah, love

568
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: love love Willship with Washington best value in the backfield,

569
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson junior at goes around running back twenty eight

570
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: ish or Austin Eckler in the forties.

571
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: Can I go neither. I'm gonna go with Brian Robinson here.

572
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: It's it's too expensive. I don't I don't necessarily want

573
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: him there. Just I think Eckler, uh could be past.

574
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: I thought he's gonna retire after last year. And Deebo

575
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: Samuel I think we'll eat into Eckler's role. So I'm

576
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: gonna go with Chris Rodriguez. Uh yeah, no, I'll Brian no,

577
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: none of the above.

578
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: It's it's it's the other guy, Ja Cory Krosky, Merrick,

579
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: that's the guy. That's the guy.

580
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if we wanted either Nichols now we're talking,

581
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still a Chris Rodriguez stand But yeah,

582
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: I think I think out of the two though, I

583
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: would go Brian Robinson. I just think the floor ceiling

584
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: como there for him is better. I just think there's

585
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: a little too much uncertainty with Eckler in my opinion.

586
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ecklers. Eckler's on the way on the way down.

587
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think his best role was probably

588
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: more of what the Jeremy McNichols role was was last year.

589
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: You know, just like he can he can be good

590
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 1: in spurts, but you know he's not He's not at

591
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: the stage where you really want to give him. I

592
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: think like close to half the snaps. And I thought Robinson,

593
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: and I've never been a big Robinson guy, but but

594
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: I thought he looked pretty good. It was just he

595
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: just got himself banged up a little too frequently last year.

596
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: But I thought when he was in there running the football,

597
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: he was damn good. And remember, you got Tunsel. The

598
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: line could be better, and you got the threat of

599
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, and you tend to stay on schedule as

600
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: an offense because Daniels, you know, they always go for

601
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: it on for it down and Daniel's just not putting

602
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: them in, you know, behind the chains very often, so

603
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: I think, and he's gonna be motivated contract here. So

604
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I'm definitely a hard skew toward Robinson. And

605
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm hearing Krosskey Merritt. The rookie actually is going to

606
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: factor into their plans and you know, Debo just kind

607
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: of getting guys like that. I agree with you. I

608
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: think it's more of an indictment on on ekwere and

609
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: they're trying to get more kind of guys like that,

610
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, those chess pieces. So Robinson will still be

611
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: there to to run it inside of tackles and get

612
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: his touchdowns or whatnot. What you got for me with

613
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: the commanders?

614
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just oh yeah, well it might be.

615
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: Mister Trumpet.

616
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: That colors and uniforms it looks like to be identical,

617
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 2: but theyeah well for the commanders. How will Deebo Samuel

618
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: fit into this commander's offense? He's been kind of dropping

619
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: off a bit the past couple of years. Do you

620
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: think he picks it back up in this offense? Do

621
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: you think it's a good fit and are you projecting

622
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: him like for a couple of rush attempts again, like

623
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: San Francisco did the past few seasons, like what's your

624
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: outlook on debo and how he fits into this offense?

625
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely projected him for a couple of rush attempts.

626
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: We know Washington spreads it around on the ground. I

627
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: mean again, Nichols Rodriguez to your point, all factored in

628
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: last year. So I'm protecting him somewhere between two and

629
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: two and a half round two I think is a solid,

630
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: solid media in projection. And then if you know, we

631
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: hear in camp that he's gonna be used just like

632
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: San Francisco, I might increase it to his normal two

633
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: and a half three. But yeah, I think he I

634
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: think he fits decently. I don't think like you really

635
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: have to play attention in camp with him truly, because

636
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: it comes down to his physical fitness. Like we were hearing.

637
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: First we're hearing that he's like fat, but then we're

638
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: hearing he's actually just devote out again. And it tends

639
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: to go through these peaks and valleys where sometimes he

640
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: shows up a little too big, and like last year

641
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: it seemed like he just he was missing a gear,

642
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: and but every other year it seems like he's just unstoppable.

643
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: So we just have to check back wait mid to

644
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: eight August and see see what those training camp photos

645
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: looking like, and that that's how we'll know. But what

646
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: are you doing with Deebo? Have you been drafting them?

647
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: It's like low high end wide receiver four going going elsewhere.

648
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have some Debo. Yeah, I remember seeing those

649
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 2: practice videos where he looked a little out of shape,

650
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: but like like he's he's a stocky guy, He's he's Jack.

651
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: So it's like he still had a couple of months

652
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: to get into you know, game shape. Uh. People got

653
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: to remember he's, you know, world class athlete. Doesn't take

654
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: him long to get back into shape. So I'm not

655
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: looking too much into that. I think he's a great

656
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: fit for this offense. You know, they love to throw

657
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: underneath to get the ball in playmaker's hands and do

658
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 2: work after the catch. That sets that perfectly with him.

659
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: But we have seen a bit of a drop off

660
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: the past couple of seasons, so I am slightly concerned.

661
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: I just think this is just great news for Jane

662
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: Daniels to be even better this year, to have a

663
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: weapon like Debo behind Terry McLaurin. So if anything just

664
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: makes me more bullish on Jane Daniels in her two.

665
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I have debo as like a

666
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: low end y receiver three right on that cusp of

667
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: wide receiver three flex range. So yeah, I've been getting

668
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: just a normal amount of debos so far.

669
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a wide range of valcalums. But I, you know, normally,

670
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: I am of the opinion that it's all puff pieces

671
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: and all those you know photos of guys you know

672
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: with their you know, with the shirts off. It's like

673
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: it's not gonna tell you anything. But with Deebo, I

674
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: think he's the exception. It Actually the way his fitness

675
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: unfolds and camp really tends to dictate his effectiveness because

676
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: he's such a unique athlete and he is not a

677
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the traditional sense, as if he's going

678
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: to be coveraged with technical skills right like he's he's

679
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: going to need to get scheme the ball and use

680
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: his athletic system and tackle breaking ability uh to to

681
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: to create yardage. And when he's when he's in shape,

682
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: he could do that with the best in the league.

683
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: But when he's not, you see situations like last year

684
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: where he's never opened and every time he has a

685
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: ball in his hands, he's a step slower than the defense.

686
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: So I will be I will be checking those debo uh,

687
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: those debo flicks as we go through the off season,

688
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: because that that's pretty much what it is with him.

689
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: NFC North, everyone wants to talk about the Chicago Bears

690
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: sean a guy I feel like that's got lost in

691
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: a shuffle. DeAndre Swift. What do you think his outlook is?

692
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: With no backs yet signed in free agency and an

693
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: all new interior offensive line along with of course Ben

694
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: Johnson for yeah, I mean coach Ben Johnson.

695
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You know, I'm high on him because they

696
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: they really haven't made any splash moves to get me

697
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: off of Swift to be you know, the weak one

698
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: starter at least. So this is an offense that gonna

699
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: probably do a one to eighty this season, be much

700
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: more effective running the ball. Like you said, they made

701
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: a ton of upgrades on offensive line that's going to

702
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: be huge here. So Swift has a legit shot to

703
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: be like a solid, solid RB two. So I do

704
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: like him, but it is a situation where there's still

705
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: you know, a wide range of outcomes where you know

706
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: he's not a lock. So you know Roshawn Johnson, he's

707
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: been kind of shaky early in his career. He could

708
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: still you know, make some noise. I actually like the

709
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: seventh round pick Kyle Managa and I he's been you know,

710
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: flashing a little bit. But like it's one of those

711
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: things where DeAndre Swift is not a lock to be

712
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: the RB one, but he's certainly the clear favorite. So

713
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: if you believe in this offense, you believe in Ben Johnson,

714
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: I think he's being overlooked. So to answer your question, yes,

715
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: I am higher than the consensus when it comes to

716
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift. I think he has legit RB two upside

717
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: this year.

718
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Same, I do think it's wide range outcomes than

719
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: you like. But if we love the Bears offense and

720
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: specifically that interior line remake, you got Joe Tuney from KC,

721
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: he ranked top seven at PFF drew downon at center

722
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: from Atlanta he ranked top five among centers. And then

723
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: Jonah Jackson, a very good right guard is going coming

724
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: over from the Rams, and you still have the tackles.

725
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: You added some depth as well, so that line could

726
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: be top five, kind of similar to what Detroit's was.

727
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: Uh and Yeah, I think maybe you get more of

728
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: that like Gibbs Montgomery committee with either Roshan is the

729
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: bigger early down guy or monoganized. So that is something

730
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: to watch out for, with Swift taking on more of

731
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: a pass game role. But at this point, I mean,

732
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: there's question marks about all these running backs in terms

733
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: of there's a wide range of outcomes. So yeah, I'll

734
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: take the guys with the that could be on one

735
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: of the best offenses, one of the best offensive lines.

736
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I'm I'm optimistic about about him. But

737
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: what you got for me with the Bears, because this

738
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: is the team everyone I feel like is talking about.

739
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the tight end situation. What sort

740
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: of role do you see Colston Loveland having, let's say

741
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: early on in the season with you know, Cole Comett

742
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: there obviously, but they spent a top ten pick on Loveland.

743
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: He's he's got that brock Bauer Sam laport a type

744
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: of upside. So how do you see them kind of

745
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: diving out their their snaps and like usage early in

746
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: the season.

747
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: New regime change, and they took a more complete tight end,

748
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: So that tells me they're going to play him every snap.

749
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: I think I think I already heard Ben Jonson say

750
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: as much. So, Yeah, I think I think Cole Comett

751
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: is Brockwright. Co Comett was invisible last year's I don't

752
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: know what him and Caleb have going on, but like

753
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: like people talked about the doonesday missus and the Keenan

754
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: Allen overthrows him down the field, but co Comt was

755
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: literally invisible to Caleb Williams for game on game on game,

756
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: it seemed like. So the fact that they go out

757
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: and draft Coast and Loveland early on, early in the

758
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: first round, tells me that they're going to use him

759
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: like Sam Laporta and like Cole commit will probably be

760
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: able to take on more of those inline duties. So

761
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: that just Freese Loveland up to be a receiver as

762
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: much as possible. And you know they are going to

763
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: play someone two personnel. And they do have a rookie

764
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: slot receiver in Luther Burden as well, who people are

765
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: excited about. But I think, just judging by the draft capital,

766
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: judging by the track record for Ben Johnson, I think

767
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: Coast and Loveland top ten tight end right off the

768
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: bat with top three upside in year one.

769
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't draft him inside of the top ten

770
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: to ease him in. I think this is a situation

771
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: where similar like Rock Bowers, one of the hang ups

772
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: from people drafting him last year was that Michael Mayer

773
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: and yeah, Michael, Yeah, Michael Mayor did miss time, so

774
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: that helped accelerate it. But when you have a legit,

775
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 2: you know, prospect like Colson Loveland, they tend to play

776
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: way more early early on. So yeah, I agree, I

777
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: think leveland will be you know, a lead tight end

778
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: from the get go, and you know, off her top

779
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 2: ten upside, I think the market is a lot sharper

780
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: on him this year factoring that end. But yeah, I'm

781
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: very high on Loveland and definitely think you should take

782
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: him around you know the tight end nine, tight end

783
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: ten range.

784
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean co Co met with that what do

785
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: we call it now, the Golden Auten or whatever it

786
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: is that we need.

787
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: Well, it was like the Winding Sprint Award, but I

788
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: thought it was we called it DeMarcus Robinson, but he's

789
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: been better the past couple of seasons.

790
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: But you need a tight end one now for co Comet,

791
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: and I think it was Kate Aughton was the most

792
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: recent guy until until the breakout, but I'm looking at

793
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: it right now. So from week thirteen to week eighteen,

794
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: which is a final the most recent six games in

795
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams's young career, co Comett ran one hundred and

796
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: ninety five routes and was targeted eight times.

797
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that that time that I finally took

798
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: the under on his receptions prop And it's it's scary, man,

799
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: because he's out there running a route every drop back,

800
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: so you could potentially get a target, but he just

801
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: never never did. But yeah, we got we gotta just

802
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: name it the cole Comet or.

803
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, co Comet essentially with Gerald Everett last year, like

804
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: like co Comet was just as unproductive for pretty much

805
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: that stretch run as Gerald Everett, who remember he was

806
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: supposed to factor in. Like, oh man, we're worried about

807
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: to make because because Gerald Everett is there, I mean

808
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: maybe that's the biggest knock on. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,

809
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: I mean malpractice. But I do think, uh, having co

810
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: Comett is like your supercharged version of rock right, is

811
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: a nice Like you know, every every offensive guru has

812
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: a tight end they just can't quit, like with An

813
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: O'Connell it's like, uh, Johnny Munt, you know what I mean,

814
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: Like co Comets is gonna settle in as that guy

815
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: for for Ben Johnson, you know, he doesn't have to

816
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: be this. I mean he was just moon lighting is

817
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: like a top option because it was justin fields and

818
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: and no one else for a lot of that time.

819
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, really high on on on. But so another

820
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: question about the Bears. I know we had two here,

821
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 1: but what who do you think is the most likely

822
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: guy to bust because like I feel like they can't

823
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 1: all hear right, like god In Swift, Uh, Burden, Swift, Roma,

824
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: Dune Day, d J Moore, Colston Loveland.

825
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, those out of those guys, I mean, it's a

826
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: it's a mixed bag. I would say it's either a

827
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: Doonsay or Burden. I do think Odonsa will be on

828
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: the field most of the snaps, so that would just

829
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: have to be performance. Again, I think he's gonna bounce

830
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: back this year. He h he's a lot of deep

831
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: balls and low catch rate. Like, I think he's gonna

832
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: bounce back this year. Burden might not get as much

833
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: playing time as people think because they you know, they

834
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: might run a lot of two tight end sets, so

835
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard for Burden to get on the field.

836
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: So I think Burton has the widest range of outcomes

837
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: where if DJ Moore gets hurt, Burden could be you know,

838
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: wide receiver too. So I want to be cautious when

839
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: I say this, but if everyone says healthy, I think

840
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: Burden's gonna be the odd man out. You know, he's

841
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: going to make a splash play or two. But I

842
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: think he's the kind of guy that needs volume, So

843
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: if he's not getting the playing time to kind of

844
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: get that, I think he'd be the odd man out.

845
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 2: But it's hard. I love every one of these pieces

846
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: in this offense, especially if Ben Johnson does maximize it,

847
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: but out of all the guys, I'd say Burton has

848
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: the highest chance of being the odd man now, just

849
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: in terms of playing time.

850
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Burdon with and then considering ADP, I think probably

851
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: DJ Moore is a close second because it could be

852
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: one of those offenses where everything's just kind of spread around.

853
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: Dune Day breaks out, Loveland breaks out, Burden gets a

854
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: bunch of like or a couple of long touchdowns, and

855
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: DJ Moore, you know, he's not the greatest at at

856
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: doing some of the littler things. He's very he's very explosive,

857
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: and you know, you can scheme him a ton of looks,

858
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: but they got to like really scheme him the ball

859
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: last year. And now you've just added so many other

860
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: weapons that I could see. I could actually see more

861
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: being more of like a wide receiver three and you know,

862
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: just one of many pieces, kind of like the Bills

863
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: do it where they spread around. But yeah, Burden is

864
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: is a little bit concerning because they also got a

865
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: very uh, very solid veteran in uh Olami Day the

866
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: key is Stare as well. And you know he always

867
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: tends to stick around and and play like starter SATs

868
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: wherever he goes, whether it was Philly or or Washington.

869
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: So so yeah, don't don't count him out. Not the

870
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: same kind of player, but yes, yeah, he's just like

871
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: always sticking a little Jordan Humphrey like he's sticking around, man.

872
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I peeped that. And then he also got uh,

873
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, Dubern is probably gonna be active every week

874
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: because he's gonna be their their return man. And so yeah,

875
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: I could I could definitely see Burden getting a little

876
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: lost in the shuffle. But I do wonder if maybe

877
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: they don't have like that that high end wide receiver

878
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: or a kigh end wide receiver with like, you know,

879
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: all these kind of pieces, like maybe it just all

880
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: evens out. And so I'm starting to get a little

881
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: fading more a little bit as well, even though I

882
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: guess he also has massive webside because it's Ben Johnson,

883
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: but there.

884
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: There's more could be the aman raw in this offense

885
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: where he just sees the ship kind of exact target.

886
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I get your point.

887
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: Nearly as good of a round runner, Yeah, not nearly

888
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: as good as a round.

889
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I take your point where, yeah, if

890
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: they're spreading the ball around all these guys, the guy

891
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: the you know, the highest ADP or the guy that

892
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: gots earlier in drafts would be the one that would

893
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: be the best. So yeah, I take your point there.

894
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,440
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895
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,600
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899
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900
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00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,280
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00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,280
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909
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,040
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910
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm pumped for this. These live events are

911
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: always a blast. It's always fun getting in to connect

912
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: with everyone in person. And we're gonna have a full

913
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: slate of preseason games that day, so it's my favorite

914
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: time of year as well. But yeah, we should be

915
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: able to watch some of those games together. It's gonna

916
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: be a blast.

917
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, excited to meet you guys again. That is Saturday,

918
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: August twenty third. Make sure you save the date if

919
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in the Chicago area. Talk to me

920
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: about Dave Montgomery. Because you made a positive case for

921
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of on the negative side. So what's your

922
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: outlook for Do you think he continues to maintain RB

923
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: two status with the kind of a little bit of

924
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: a change going on in this Detroit offense.

925
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I kind of know where you're going with this,

926
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: and I agree with you. I'll let you talk about

927
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: it in depth. But when it comes to Montgomery, the

928
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: thing that I still like about Montgomery is he can

929
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: provide RB two value even when Jamier Gibbs is healthy.

930
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: But if Gibbs were to miss time, I still think

931
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: Montgomery would offer top five value. So that's that's my

932
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: case for Montgomery is just his his projection profile. But

933
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna make some excellent points we're all

934
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: add on to as well. But this year could be different.

935
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 2: This is an offense that I think is due for aggression,

936
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 2: but I think they have some things that will help

937
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: fuel that. So are you Are you lower on Montgomery

938
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: this year than you have been the past couple seasons?

939
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: Yeah? Usually I'm right there with you. I love kind

940
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: of the ceiling floor combination, but there's always a point

941
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: where I think you gotta be forward looking and not

942
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: back looking, and there's always gonna be these kind of

943
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: surprise veterans that just they seem so consistent and it's

944
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: just everything kind of changes. And I think Montgomery's there's

945
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: definitely some warning signs. I'll put it that way. Number One,

946
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: Premier Gibbs is just so damn good that he might

947
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: just he might just demand more snaps even when they're healthy.

948
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: So the squit goes more. New coaching regime. Angstring's gone,

949
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's gone. He only had one point one yard

950
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: per yards before contact per attempt according to PFF last year,

951
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: and that's one of the that was one of the

952
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: pretty decent lines offensive line, and now it's getting worse,

953
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: especially on the interior, which is where Montgomery makes his money.

954
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: On one hundred and ninety two carries in the regular

955
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: season last year, he had a long gain of only

956
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: twenty one yards. He's on the other side of peak

957
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: age at age twenty eight. You're likely going to see

958
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: more negative game scripts for the Lions. This whole division

959
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: is going to be competitive. I think I actually placed

960
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: a long shot bet in the in the app for

961
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: the lines to miss the playoffs, Like that's how tight.

962
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: It's going to be this year, I think, and last

963
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: year he kind of he had not quite the greatest

964
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: season and had an injury at times, but he did

965
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: make up for a lot of the you know what

966
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: otherwise could have could have kind of hampered him with

967
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: some decent receiving games. He had two point two yards

968
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: per route run, but I think that's very likely to

969
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: regress because his career yards per route run is half

970
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: of that at one point one. So he could be

971
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: in for some major aggression early down grinder getting old

972
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: relies on touchdowns on a team that's going to see

973
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: less positive game scripts with the new coach and staff

974
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: and a very talented guy. I had of the writings

975
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: on I think I want to get off to Montgomery

976
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: train a year early than a year late, because I

977
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: can get like I'd rather just get like a bona

978
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: fide RB one early and then get like a free

979
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: guy that could like a Tyler Augier or like Ray

980
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: Davis or Shipley or somebody like that who you know,

981
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: won't who could become an RB one If a guy

982
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: goes down, then kind of this middle purgatory ground with

983
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: with where with with Montgomery. So that's where I'm at

984
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: with him. I'm pretty well with him.

985
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say that's fair. I think his floor this

986
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: year is definitely lower, so we have to factor that in.

987
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: But I still think that, you know, if gives rid

988
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: of his time, he'd be a top five back and

989
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: in that range just based on my running back upside chart,

990
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: he's still you know, a decent flyer in that range.

991
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree with everything you said and kind

992
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: of takes me to my question. We could just piggyback

993
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: that here, but how how do you think this offense

994
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: looks without Ben Johnson calling plays? This year? They brought

995
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: in John Morton over from Denver, so he worked under

996
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: Sean Payton in the past couple of seasons, but he

997
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: was an assistant for Detroit back in twenty twenty two.

998
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 2: I know they kind of want to keep this pretty seamless,

999
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: but do you do you think they're gonna have any

1000
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: drop off now with a new player caller? How do

1001
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: you how do you see this shaking out?

1002
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: I do think there will be drop off, partly due

1003
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: to the new play calls, but more so you know

1004
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 1: this this is now the second year row. This team's

1005
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: gonna team's gonna have a tougher schedule. You know, last

1006
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: year we were kind of looking at up and down

1007
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: the schedule, like, oh man, this sets it well for

1008
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. Not quite as well this year. I'm a

1009
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: little worried that he's not gonna have a lot of

1010
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: the guys he's been working with holding his hand. Still

1011
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for Campbell, but ultimately, yeah, I

1012
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: do expect the Wise offense to take a step back.

1013
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm hearing you know a Monra might be have its

1014
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: injury issues. I do think Jamo will get we'll get featured.

1015
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: Though I'm high on him. I think, you know, more

1016
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: passing benefits Tam. I think Befoorty can bounce back as well.

1017
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: But you know, it was interesting that they took the

1018
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: rookie to slay, you know, him and Tim Patrick. I

1019
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: guess we'll be playing that that run blocking role. But overall,

1020
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm expecting a step back for Golf, step back from Montgomery.

1021
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: In the offense in general, I just don't think they

1022
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: score quite as many points. I don't think there is

1023
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: in as many positive game scripts. And yeah, so I

1024
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: think like the early down back and the quarterback, the

1025
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: are the two guys that probably get get hit the most.

1026
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's it's

1027
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to not see any regression. They've been

1028
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: so good the past two three seasons that you know

1029
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: regressions coming. But it might be quicker with a new

1030
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: play caller just because you know, the timing of the

1031
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: play calls and things like.

1032
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: That just might not be as efficient. So they're certainly concerned.

1033
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: They're that the offensive line should still be top five,

1034
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: but you know, they lost center Frank ragnow retired. Kevin

1035
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: Zeitler is now on the Titans, so they're shuffling the

1036
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: offensive line. They're you know, they drafted a second rookie

1037
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: and Ratledge to start right away, so the offensive line

1038
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: might you know, not be as good. And again, to

1039
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: take your point, when it comes to Montgomery, this coaching

1040
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: change might result in Jamire Gibbs just getting more touches,

1041
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: which probably makes sense. He is, you know, one of

1042
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: the best backs in the league, so the coaching change

1043
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: could actually help Jamire Gibbs just feature him more. So

1044
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: that's kind of I'm taking that in consideration when it

1045
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: comes to my Montgomery projection, where he just might not

1046
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: see his money carries when Gibbs is healthy. So there's

1047
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 2: a lot that can change, but it's it's just gonna

1048
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: be hard for them to maintain the efficiency we saw

1049
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: the past couple of seasons, So regressions inevitable. Just how much,

1050
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: I guess, remains to be seen. But yeah, they definitely

1051
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: want Morton to kind of try to run the same

1052
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: exact offense. It just might be a tougher than people think.

1053
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I think there's you know, I don't

1054
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be more than Tampa Bay's regression.

1055
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: Like I think Tampa Bay would take a little bit

1056
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: of a step back, but I think Detroit could be

1057
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: a little more, a little more harsh, I guess is

1058
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: the way the way I put it. You know, you

1059
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: got outdoor games at Washington, at Philly in the second

1060
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: half of the year, at Chicago to end the season.

1061
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: You go to k C, you go to Sincy, you

1062
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: go to Baltimore earlier in the year, and there's I

1063
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: mean there's not many they play Cleveland, but there's not

1064
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: many outs this year. It's it's gonna be a tough

1065
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: Cleveland and the Giants. It's gonna be a tough year.

1066
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: I think for for Detroit, they're gonna have to call

1067
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: for every every win. I could see them ending. I

1068
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: could see them ending with a losinger. I could see

1069
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: them going like eight and nine and uh, you know,

1070
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: jam O goes off, amon Rod does this thing and

1071
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: in the passing game kills but yeah, a little worried

1072
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: about golf after that disaster playoff game and now he's

1073
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: losing his handholders. So that idea, Now we go to

1074
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: green Bay. Maybe green Bay is what we've kind of

1075
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: been looking for out of Detroit, you know, just high efficiency.

1076
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: I think green Bay could potentially be that this year.

1077
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: What do you think about green Bay's passing game. Jordan

1078
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: Love goes as a mid range flow ENDQB two, Matthew

1079
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: Golden and Jayden Reed tend to go around wide receiver

1080
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: forty ish and Tucker Kraft It goes outside the te

1081
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: one ranks. Now, most of this is generally predicated on

1082
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: the fact that green Bay went to super super run

1083
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: heavy last year. So, like, what's your outlook for this

1084
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: passing game, because like it's not quite a Philly situation,

1085
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: but I think there's gonna be just some natural volume

1086
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: regression upward for the passing game.

1087
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, yeah, i'd agree with that. And you know

1088
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: last year, Jordan Love, he he got hurt in Week one, right, Yes,

1089
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: he had that injury where he was he's supposed to

1090
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: be out like four to six weeks, and he came

1091
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 2: back just after a couple of games. And obviously they

1092
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: went extreme run heavy with Milike Willis, so we have

1093
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: to factor that when we're looking at Green Bay's you know,

1094
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: rushing stats last year. But I think they were just

1095
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: being a little bit more run happy, run heavy, to

1096
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: just be cautious with Jordan Love and it was working.

1097
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: But this year, you know, Matthew Golden, I know you

1098
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: like him. Just drafting him and adding him to the mix,

1099
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: I think will allow them to be more pass heavy.

1100
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think they're still going to be a

1101
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: run heavy team. But similar to what you're saying with

1102
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: the Eagles, it's like they can't get any more run

1103
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: heavy than they did last year. So there's gonna be

1104
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 2: some natural positive aggression for the passing game. We're gonna

1105
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: see more volume. So yeah, I'm a little bit more

1106
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: bullish on the wide receivers this year. And you know,

1107
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: initially when they when they drafted Golden. I didn't like

1108
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: the landing spot because it's so crowded, but it's crowded

1109
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: because you know, no one's really able to step up

1110
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: to be the guy. So the more I've looked into it,

1111
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: the more I love Golden, the more I think he

1112
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: could be, you know, the number one target in year one.

1113
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: So I actually love this landing spot, especially with Jordan

1114
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 2: Love and a lot more optimistic on the passing game

1115
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: in general this year as well.

1116
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might be strong and wrong on this, but

1117
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm buying. I'm buying the Green Bay passing game this year.

1118
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: I think I think they just not only with Love hurt,

1119
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: but I don't think they were very happy with their

1120
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver room last year. You know, you had the guy,

1121
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: you had Dobbs and and Wics making noise at different

1122
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: times in terms of like negative noise, I mean, like

1123
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, blackhom distractions. Then you had you know, Jayden Reed.

1124
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: They just don't like to play him in in two

1125
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: wide personnel that they always kind of capped his snaps

1126
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: and then his agent had to kind of do his

1127
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: bidding in the offseason and and reaffirm his wide receiver

1128
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: one status. Uh and you know, Romeo Dobbs is he's

1129
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: like the week. He tends to be their leader in

1130
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: routes run, but he's probably one of the worst guys

1131
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: to get that many routes in the league. I know

1132
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: we liked him as a breakout a couple of years ago,

1133
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: but uh, this is a guy who's never had one

1134
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: hundred yard game in the regular season, never quught a

1135
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: forty yard pass in the regular season. So I think

1136
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: Golden will allow them to pass more savvy, and Williams

1137
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: will be a bigger Jordan Reed and they'll they'll scheme

1138
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: him some some some plays in space and easy completions

1139
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: for Love there, Tucker Craft is a very good uh

1140
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: tight end. He still got musk Grave and uh and

1141
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: before is one of the better schemers and play calls too.

1142
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: So I think the Packers passing game is way undervalued.

1143
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: If you look at Jordan Love, even with the injuries,

1144
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: top five and yards per a temp at a point zero,

1145
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: top five in QBR. Bear we ever got sacked even

1146
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: though he was gimpy. I mean, yeah, he had a

1147
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: string of perceptions we know, but what do we know

1148
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: about an interception? They're one of the most random stats.

1149
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: You're here, and like, you know, almost no one throws

1150
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: like the leader had won a game like sixteen interceptions, Like,

1151
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: it's not like you could throw an interception every game,

1152
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: and it's not really going to be that big of

1153
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: a deal. So yeah, I'm I'm buying Jordan Love, I'm

1154
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: buying Reid, I'm buying Golden, I'm buying Craft. I think

1155
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: I think all of those guys are undervalued because love

1156
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: is love is maintained efficiency, and he might not be

1157
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: done breaking out by the way. He might be what

1158
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: we wanted Stroud to be last year. Uh Stroud, I

1159
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: mean Stroud could be undervalue too. We'll talk about him,

1160
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: you But yeah, buy I know those guys, but I

1161
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: know you have a back. You're looking at the backfield.

1162
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, So obviously you know Jacobs will be

1163
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: the lead back again this year. Get me hard for

1164
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: another running back to offer any value as long as

1165
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 2: he's healthy. And Jacobs was healthy all seventeen games last year,

1166
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 2: so nobody got a spot start. But if Jacobs were

1167
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: gon as time, who's the hand cuff? Like, who's going

1168
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: to be the number two back? Because we have Marshaun Lloyd,

1169
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: who was a third round pick last year, barely played.

1170
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: I think he only had six touches last year. And

1171
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 2: then you have Emmanuel Wilson, maybe Chris Brooks, but who

1172
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: who is the guy to be Josh Jacob's handcuff this year.

1173
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,439
Speaker 1: I think it would be more of a committee if

1174
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: if that indeed were to happen. Now, I don't know

1175
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: if all four of them make the team. Brooks, you know,

1176
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: he's he's really good on pass downs and special teams,

1177
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,439
Speaker 1: so he could be he could be just he could

1178
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: just make it as the r before again, even if

1179
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: Lloyd is healthy. And then I think Wilson is more

1180
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: more like a direct, more direct backup for Josh Jacobs.

1181
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: And then I think you're gonna also have a lot

1182
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: of plays with Williams in the backfields and Jayden Reed

1183
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: in the backfield, So it's gonna be I think it

1184
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: would be a committee approach. But I would lean toward

1185
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: Lloyd being the most valuable, just because I think they're

1186
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: gonna want to scheme him up, you know, high value

1187
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: touches and explosive plays. But I wouldn't be surprised if

1188
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: Maddy Wilson and would end up leading them and carries

1189
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: and then Brooks would play third downs and pass block

1190
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: a ton and things like that, and if he's on

1191
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: a practice squad, you would get called up and do

1192
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: that stuff. So yeah, it's I don't think it would

1193
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: be like anyone's a smash, but yeah, I was all

1194
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: the way out on Lloyd last year. This year, I

1195
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: think he's fine, but I don't think he's like a

1196
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: true handcuff. I think he's just one of many of

1197
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: these chess pieces that Greeny is trying to assemble this year.

1198
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: And the Williams draft pick really kind of throws a

1199
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: wrench into some of that backfield too.

1200
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's true, and I feel similar. That's my

1201
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 2: point is like, if really one of these, it's always

1202
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 2: a problem when you have a handful of guys that

1203
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 2: could be the handcuff already a situation I want to avoid.

1204
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: So in this situation, it's like, what's the highest upside

1205
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 2: we have here an RB three flex? If Josh Jacobs

1206
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 2: were to miss time, usually I'm just gonna pivot and

1207
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: target another backup in another backfield. So this this competition

1208
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 2: to see who the backup is is something I'll be monitoring,

1209
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 2: but not necessarily a situation I'm drafting right now because

1210
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: it is too murky and like you said, it probably

1211
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 2: will be more of a committee if Jacobs missed his time.

1212
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: So I just don't think there's enough upside here to

1213
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: target anyone specifically for now.

1214
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Green Bay backfield is kind of one that

1215
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: I really it's not really fitting into my draft plan

1216
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: right now because if Josh Jacobs gets hurt, I mean

1217
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: they retooled that passing attack, I think they would be

1218
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: fine going past heavy like right, you know what I mean.

1219
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 1: So in Jacobs, he's another guy now, he's hitting peak

1220
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: age at twenty seven. He's coming off a massive monster

1221
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: touch year three look two or three in a row

1222
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: really where he's had you know, pretty much three hundred

1223
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: or close to it two of the last three years.

1224
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Jacob's probably a higher injury risk.

1225
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: He's probably not gonna see as many receptions as he's

1226
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 1: been as he has at times with all the other

1227
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: weapons that they have and gadget guys they have. I

1228
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: mean they converted our guy Bo melt in the cornerback

1229
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 1: you know, like that's how the competition's tight this year.

1230
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think Jacob's probably past blocks

1231
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: and either they'll get Lloyd Morre's involved. But yeah, I

1232
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: don't see any guy running away with it. I think

1233
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: the biggest way to exploit Green Bay is take advantage

1234
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: of that downtick and pass volume last year and just

1235
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: take all the cheap passing. I mean, for a guy's

1236
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: officient as Jordan Love, the fact that you can get

1237
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: his top probably his top two receivers, all of his receivers,

1238
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: like outside the top forty, you could get his tight

1239
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: end outside the top twelve. I get it. That's that's pretty.

1240
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: And then you can get Jordan Love way down there

1241
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: too at quarterback. Like that's That's what I'm going to

1242
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 1: load up on, at least in less, you know, less

1243
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: something changes in the ADP shifts. All right, let's close

1244
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: it out with the Minnesota Vikings. Sean, you've been the

1245
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: Viking's QB whisperer with Sam Donald last year, and uh

1246
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: you are I've heard you shout out. J. J. McCarthy

1247
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: attent to talk to him. What's what's the outlook for him?

1248
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: Where does he fit on the scale of cousins to

1249
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: Donald or you know, even Mowens to Donald. If if

1250
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: we are lower.

1251
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of options. I would say that probably

1252
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 2: like Sam Donald if I'm being honest with myself, which

1253
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: is still very good like last year Sam Donald. But

1254
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 2: I think the point is, Uh, this Kevin O'Connell scheme

1255
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: is very quarterback friendly because Nick Mullins look great in it.

1256
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs look good when he was in it. So

1257
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 2: I think when you're plugging JJ McCarthy in this, uh,

1258
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 2: it's it's gonna make it very easy for him to

1259
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 2: adjust to the NFL. It's it's very unfortunate that he

1260
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: missed his rookie season, but from what we saw in

1261
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: like the brief playing time he had in preseason, he

1262
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: looked better than I thought, so I'm very high on him.

1263
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 2: He again, he missed the entire season with his meniscus hair,

1264
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 2: but he was able to, you know, be in the

1265
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: film room, be at practice. So he's been around the organization.

1266
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 2: So I think he's going to be pretty mature for

1267
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: a player that hasn't started a game yet. So I'm

1268
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: very high on JJ McCarthy. He does have a wide range,

1269
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 2: right wide range of outcomes. He's not going to be

1270
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 2: a luck but you know, I think he's in the

1271
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 2: right scheme. He has good rushing upsides, so I wouldn't

1272
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 2: be shocked if that times this year he pushes you

1273
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 2: know QB one value based on you know, the matchup

1274
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 2: that week.

1275
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: What do you where are you at for his passing

1276
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: yards per game or his or his attempt volume at

1277
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: because I noticed four Minnesota last year with Donald averaged

1278
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: about thirty two and a half attempts per game over

1279
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,839
Speaker 1: on the season. But it was pretty much a split

1280
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 1: between pre and post Hockinson. Like before Hockinson came back,

1281
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: they were real low and then after they were up

1282
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 1: near around thirty almost thirty six per game over those

1283
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: last ten to eleven games. So curious is where do

1284
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: you have is passing yards or passing attempts.

1285
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 2: About two hundred and thirty five yards a game. And

1286
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: that's an interesting point with Hawkinson. There was actually a

1287
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 2: stretch before Hockinson came back where like every game they

1288
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: would get up to a huge lead, they got up early,

1289
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 2: Like they got up early I think against the Packers

1290
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 2: they were up twenty one to nothing and like the

1291
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: first time they just yeah, they just gotten these game

1292
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: scripts where they just didn't have to throw the ball

1293
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 2: anymore so that I think that was part of it.

1294
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 2: But I think their pass rate was high, like if

1295
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 2: if you look at like their pass rate over expected,

1296
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 2: so I expected them to be throwing or and then yeah,

1297
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 2: obviously Hockinson came and they want to throw more in

1298
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 2: those situations. So I think, yeah, I have McCarthy around

1299
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty five passing yards a game, but

1300
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,959
Speaker 2: you know, I have his his rushing production being around

1301
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 2: you know, sixteen, He could be you know, twenty plus

1302
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: rushing yards a game kind of QBA as well, depending

1303
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 2: on how his meniscus recovery goes. But I think he

1304
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: has some sneaky rushing upside, even more so than Donald obviously.

1305
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean two thirty five if just would

1306
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: be low for a Kevin O'Connell offense with with like

1307
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: a healthy Jefferson and hockets. I believe Donald to the

1308
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: last year was at two fifty four. Yeah, they were

1309
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: about two fifty seven as a team last year, and

1310
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: then the year before that they were even higher the

1311
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: two years before that with you know Cousins and that

1312
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: whole crew. So I mean the receiving course talented enough

1313
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: that I think he does have upside to be like

1314
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: in among the leaders. Like I won't say he'll you know,

1315
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: wead the league or anything, but it's you know, it

1316
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: doesn't take much to get up into that. You get

1317
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: up into that like two sixty plus range and you're

1318
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: probably in the top eight or so. So with the

1319
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: receivers he has, I think definitely possible, but maybe they

1320
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: end up running it more. I think that's kind of

1321
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: you're what you're looking at in terms of camp.

1322
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they brought they brought in Jordan Mason. Basically,

1323
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: just how do you envision the workload split between you know,

1324
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones, who is going to be on the wrong

1325
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 2: side of thirty this year and Jordan Mason, who was

1326
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 2: surprised last year filled it nicely for Christian McCaffrey. But

1327
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 2: how do you see this backfield shaping up with when

1328
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 2: both running backs are healthy?

1329
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: C j Anderson Todd Gurley super Bowl run. That that

1330
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: that kind of split where where Mason ends up actually

1331
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: being the better back I think, I mean, I thought

1332
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: he looked like the better back last year. I thought

1333
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: Aeron Joenes did not look nearly as good as he

1334
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: looked in that playoff run for Green Bay the year

1335
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: before when he was uh, you know, getting force fed

1336
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: down the stretch. So I do I do think he

1337
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: took a step back. Uh, And O'Connell has mentioned that

1338
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: they brought Mason in for that exact reason. They want

1339
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: to keep Jones healthy. I think they want to play

1340
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: Jones more on passing downs and and and kind of

1341
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: free him up to run more routes with you know,

1342
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: they got Oliver. They resound Oliver to a big deal,

1343
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: so he'll he'll handle out of the past pro if

1344
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: they need that, and let Hockinson do his thing in

1345
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: the slot. So yeah, I think I think Jones could

1346
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,879
Speaker 1: kind of get iced out of some of the higher

1347
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: value like goal line looks at at times. I mean

1348
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 1: he I think Mason is just a better runner between

1349
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: the tackles at this point in their careers, and Jones

1350
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: is probably best used on the perimeter, on the edge

1351
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: and in space and you know with the in the

1352
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: past game. So uh, I'm I'm I've been taking a

1353
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: lot more than Jones and his ADP's been climbing, So

1354
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 1: now I'm probably gonna stop, But what about.

1355
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: You, I'm not gonna stop. Uh, let me keep climbing.

1356
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: Just keep. I mean, they've been saying that Mason could

1357
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 2: be the goal line back. I think a lot of

1358
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 2: the issues with Aaron Jones last year were you know,

1359
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: fumbling issues, and he got benched at least one time,

1360
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of times. But I think they really

1361
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: wanted to bring in some competition. You're right, it wouldn't

1362
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 2: shock me if Mason does become the lead back this year.

1363
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes it's not fair to really evaluate

1364
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 2: running backs in the forty nine ers scheme because you

1365
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: know everybody does good in that scheme. But you know,

1366
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell is, he's from the Shanahan coaching tree, so

1367
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 2: it's going to be a similar run scheme. So one

1368
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 2: of my favorite stats with running backs is the next

1369
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: gen stats rushing yards over expected per attempt. That like

1370
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 2: measures where your offensive line is, where you know defenders are.

1371
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 2: So I think it's a good measure of you know efficiency.

1372
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: And the top three last year where Derrick Henry and

1373
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley no surprise there in the top two, and

1374
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 2: then third was Jordan Mason. Like he was extremely efficient,

1375
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: but you know he was picking up a lot of

1376
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: yards just based on his own skill set, So he's

1377
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 2: He's a type of back where I'm going to have

1378
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: a pretty high yards per carry for him, So you know,

1379
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: I think he could outplay Aaron Jones. So yeah, I'm

1380
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 2: very high on Jordan Mason. I consider much more than

1381
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: a handcuff. I think this is like, you know, going

1382
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: to be a true committee to start, but there's upside

1383
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 2: there for him to be the starting running back even

1384
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 2: without Aaron Jones getting hurt and those those are the

1385
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 2: situations I do like to target. So yeah, I love

1386
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 2: getting Jordan Mason sort of around that RB forty range.

1387
01:15:54,200 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: Still, Yeah, Jordan Mason is good. Alexander Madison and Jones,

1388
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones is good. Ty Chandler from twenty twenty three,

1389
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: remember when they kind of split that. Yeah, that's the

1390
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: kind of split I could say. I think Madison finished

1391
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: with let me see, I think a hundred, yeah, one

1392
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty carries in sixteen games, and uh so

1393
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 1: that was about little about eleven carries per game. And

1394
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: then Chandler, I mean for the year he had one

1395
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: hundred and two carries, but there was a span where

1396
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: he was you know, getting pretty much fifty to fifty

1397
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: with with Madison. I could see that that the kind

1398
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: of split, but the fact that Mason is younger and

1399
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 1: would could get some goal on work. I know it's

1400
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, we all play in PPR leagues and that's

1401
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,560
Speaker 1: really Mason's shortcoming. At least it has been, so you

1402
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: got to kind of temper expectations. But I mean every

1403
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: year you have like a couple of those Gus Edwards

1404
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: types right where it's just some somebody's just gonna go

1405
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: off without catching too many passes. I think Mason is

1406
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,720
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1407
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