1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Ah beaute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not 2 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to software a radio special operations, 3 00:00:24,960 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: military news and straight talk with the guys and the community. 4 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: South Rep Radio on Time on Target, Episode four hundred 5 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: seventy one. This is the how did you Wear to Be? 6 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Independence Day Extravaganza. Well, we'll talk a little bit about 7 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: General Washington and the Revolutionary War. I got a few 8 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: things here the man, Well, we'll get into I don't 9 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: think I'm quite ready to do like a big deep dive. 10 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily my area of history. But there's some 11 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: things we can touch on about the Battle of New York. 12 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: I saw the piece you sent um well written, so 13 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: the author did a phenomenal job. It's it's gonna be 14 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: run on on the on the News Rep dot Com. 15 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: It'll be up there. There you go, there's a tweez um. 16 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: We're not gonna waste any time because, as we said 17 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: in the last episode, which is also part of what 18 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: we're doing right now, we're doubling up so we can 19 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: enjoy the fourth of July. So thank you burgers, Thank 20 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: you George Washington. So we can eat hot dogs and hamburgers. Um, 21 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna bring on Joe La Fave and also your 22 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: buddy Josh to talk about the American Legion. Correct. Yes, 23 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: I haven't heard back from Josh. Hopefully we'll call him. 24 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: He's either there. You won't be if we leave him 25 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: a message. We're leaving it in the podcast. Um, but 26 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: we're not even gonna waste any time. I'm gonna do 27 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 1: a read quick and we're gonna get right to Joe. 28 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: So thank you guys for listening. 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Sign 39 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: up now and with that we welcome on Joel Faith 40 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: joining us. Now, we welcome on your colleague at the 41 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: News Rep. Uh, make sure you read his articles along 42 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: with yours. I have two questions for him. Right before, 43 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let me do the intro, and then I 44 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: got I have two questions I'd like to ask him. 45 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: He's a journalist for the News Rep. He covers finance, 46 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: maritime issues, healthcare, the National Guard, and conflicts around the world. 47 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: Before becoming a journalist, he was an e MT in 48 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: Florida and an environmental health and safety engineer for Lockheed Martin, 49 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: supporting several do D and NASA satellites. He got his 50 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: Master's of Science and Management from Southern New Hampshire University 51 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: and a BS from Florida State University. So my first 52 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: two questions for you. First, Joe, is Willie Taggett the 53 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: answer for Florida's state football Ye, he might be. You know, 54 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: he seems to want to stay there. And I think 55 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: that Florida State values, um, you know, a community and 56 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: a team folks, and they value loyalty. And I think 57 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: the Tagger they might have found it okay because obviously 58 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: Jimbo high tailed it. Yeah, he had no loyalty, and 59 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: I think that rubbed everyone the wrong way. And Secondly, 60 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: before before I let Jack speak to you. Your last 61 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: piece up on the news rep um. This was written Tuesday. 62 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: We're this will be this is coming out Friday. You 63 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: wrote a piece, a op ed piece about the most 64 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: popular songs during the Vietnam War. Have you have you 65 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: read the Jack? I haven't. Okay, I'm gonna read you 66 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: the first paragraph and you're gonna you're gonna enjoy this, Okay. 67 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: I just finished reading Michael Hurst's Dispatches, his book about 68 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: the year or so he spent in Vietnam during the 69 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: war as a correspondent for Esquire. I read the book 70 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: at least once per year, often twice. To me, it's 71 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: the best book ever written about war or anything else. 72 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: Now here's the kicker. Although if you haven't read Jack 73 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: Murphy's Murphy Law, I highly encourage you to do so. 74 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: That's such a kiss a thing to right. I gotta 75 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: plug my boss man. It's a good it's a good ball. 76 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: The author's kind of a pay in the aspect. I mean, 77 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: I know that I worked for Jack, but I mean 78 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: he's also a friend, and his book is really good. 79 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: And it's what I liked about at the most was 80 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: that it's not a classic war memoir. It's a very 81 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: it's very honest and a very real look at Jack 82 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: Murphy's time in the military and as a journalist. And 83 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: that candor I think he shows in the book is 84 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: what makes it for me stand out. Yeah, no, thank you, Joe. 85 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: I mean I think, uh, that's really what I've heard 86 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: from a lot of people, that it's not like a 87 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: typical war memoir, that it's kind of has all the 88 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: grit in there and uh, it kind of just tells 89 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: it how it is, and um doesn't try to glorify anything, 90 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: or at least I hope it doesn't. Yeah, definitely not 91 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: a It struck me as a as a genuine piece 92 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: of of journalism and uh autobiography. Yeah, man, I mean 93 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: we'll see hopefully. You know, it resonates with some people. 94 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: But what was the Uh there's another article you wrote 95 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: that you want to come on and talk about today. Yeah. Um, so, 96 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: I actually so a lot of I've had gone through 97 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: a lot of changes. Um, in the last few months, 98 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: I moved to Virginia. Um, I took a full time 99 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: job with a local newspaper here in West Virginia. So 100 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: I'm a regular beat reporter now for the first time, 101 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: and I'm covering local news for the first time and 102 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: like two years, so I'm getting back into that. But um, 103 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: the other day I had a story come across my 104 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: desk that I went and followed up with. And my 105 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: editor said, Hey, the Anglan Defense Ministry is going to 106 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: be in town and they're gonna go look at a 107 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: be like a bee hive farm and learn how to 108 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: make honey. And they said, you, why don't you go 109 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: up there and take a look. So I did. I 110 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: went up there and I took a look, and what 111 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 1: I thought was gonna be a really basic story about 112 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: what was going on, I actually found this really interesting 113 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: program that the state of West Virginia has fours terans 114 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: and it involves agriculture and it involves getting veterans interested 115 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: in agriculture. Um, so I want to come and talk 116 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: about that and what I learned about that program and 117 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: just how interesting I thought it was. Yeah, that is interesting. 118 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: So what what is this program? So it's called the 119 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: Veterans and Warriors to Agriculture Program. It's it's through the 120 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: West Virginia Department of Agriculture. But what they try to 121 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: do is they try to work with veterans of military 122 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: veterans and help them learn how to work in agriculture 123 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: and then learn how to set up their own small 124 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: businesses and get their goods to market. So they have 125 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: all these different programs all through at the state where 126 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: veterans can kind of choose what part of agriculture that 127 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: they're interested in, get hooked up with a mentor, learn 128 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: how to you know, these guys have. You don't have 129 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: to have any prior experience that agriculture whatsoever. All I 130 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: have to do is be a veteran and have interest, 131 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: and they pay you up at the mentor and you 132 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: kind of pick your your crop or your um, what 133 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: kind of farm you want to have. You know, they 134 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: have a cattle program as well, and you learn through 135 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: this pre program how to be a successful agriculture business owner. 136 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: So the one I looked at was a bee farm. 137 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: It's actually they're tendingly called apiaries, which I learned, So 138 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: it's an apiary and veterans go through this sixteen hour 139 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: program and learn the basics of beekeeping and then if 140 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: they find that they're interested in becoming beekeepers, whether it 141 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: be for as a as a hobby or as a 142 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: therapy or even as a small business, they can keep 143 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: going back and working with this mentor and they, you know, 144 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: help set up their own hives. They help cultivate the honey, 145 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: and they help, um bring that honey in the market. 146 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: And I got to meet, uh, you know, some people 147 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: from the local v A here in Martinsburg, West Virginia, 148 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: which is a really big v A center, And I 149 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: met some folks from the West Virginia Departments of Veterans Affairs. 150 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: I met there um secretary, and then I met the 151 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: guy who actually runs the program, who's a veteran veteran himself, 152 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: but has spent the last ten years or so as 153 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: a I guess an apiarist, a bee farmer. I still 154 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: don't know the proper verdicular for how to describe it. Yeah, 155 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: I will be a beekeeper, but I always think a beekeeper, 156 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: But I guess I I beekeeper works. But they do 157 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: more than just keep the bees. They also harvest and 158 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: sell the honey. So really small self contained business owners. Um. 159 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: You know what was cool is when I was talking 160 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: to the guy who runs it, and because um, you know, 161 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: he's a volunteer. You know, they don't make any money 162 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: from helping the veterans and I and he I asked him, Okay, 163 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: well you know why do you do this? And he said, well, 164 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm a vet myself, and um, he sees the value 165 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: that has given to these veterans and that's why he 166 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: keeps doing it. And he says that there's something about 167 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: when a veteran, you know, through these agriculture programs, because 168 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: they're taking care of a of a live thing and 169 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: they're tending to it and it's very especially bees, from 170 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: what I'm told, are very temperamental, and it's like a 171 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: you know, when you look at a bee hive, it's 172 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: like a they call it like some kind of word 173 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: like a macro organism, because it's really one or the 174 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: hive is really one organism in the in and of itself, 175 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: and it's very labor intensive. And something about getting involved 176 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: with something that intensive and working with your hands and 177 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: getting dirty that really brings um a sense of purpose 178 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: to these veterans. And so that's kind of the whole 179 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: point of the of the v as of the Department 180 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: Agriculture program is to you know, get these veterans involved 181 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: in something that they can you know, make money on 182 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: and also give them a sense of purpose again, which 183 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a veteran myself, but from talking 184 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: to a lot of veterans, you know, that sense of 185 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: camaraderie and that sense of purpose after lead the military. 186 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's one reason why it can be so 187 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: hard to transfer to civilian life, but that they'll actually 188 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: like get you up in the whole like beekeeper outfit 189 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: and you go in and like tend to the hive 190 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: and all that. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean they had 191 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: the beekeeper suit, they had the little smoke cans. I mean, 192 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: there's bees flying everywhere. It was for a guy who's 193 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: afraid of bugs, like myself, it was pretty much a 194 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: nightmare because like you pull up and the bees are 195 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: just like they have like their hives, you know, but 196 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: like they're also the like free romans. So there's big 197 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: clouds of bees and like I show up and I'm 198 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: in like my suit and tie and I'm like, hey, 199 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm from the local paper, and the bee lands on 200 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: my shirt and I kind of brush it off and 201 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: they run up there like man, you can't swat them. 202 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, what happens if you swat them? 203 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: You know? But um, yeah, So they I mean, it's 204 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: the whole thing, you know. They learn not only how 205 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: to do like the practical stuff like hey, here's how 206 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: you you know, use the smoke gun to agitate the bees, 207 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: and here's how you withdraw the honey from the hive. 208 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean, they learned, um, all about the physiology of 209 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: the bees themselves, you know, that the relationship between the 210 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: queen and the workers and the drone and how that 211 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: whole life cycle works. So it's you know, part hands 212 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: on knowledge and part of the actual science of it, 213 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: which is very complicated. So there were some guys there 214 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: who are veterans themselves, Like they were both the Army veterans, 215 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: and they're both um giuat veterans. One actually works on 216 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: staff at the UH Secretary of the Army's office. And 217 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: they were there and they had been to the program 218 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: and they had kept going back. Um. One of them 219 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: does it now just as a hobby and as a 220 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: therapy because he was wounded uh in a rock in 221 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: two thou four. Um he lost a leg and he 222 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: says that, um, you know, doing the beekeeping stuff has 223 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: really helped him, you know, get a sense of a 224 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: new normal. And another guy there, um another giuat veteran. 225 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: He's been doing the program for about six years, I think, 226 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: and now he has his own commercially viable UM honey 227 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: farm in West Virginia. But he told, um, you know, 228 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: he's told the program manager, hey, you know, this program 229 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: saved my life life because it really did give him 230 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: such a sense of purpose. And he says that, um, 231 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: you know the guy who runs it at Forny is 232 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: his name. Um, you know, he says that he sees 233 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: these guys come in and you know, he sees their 234 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: eyes light up. And that's what the director of the 235 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: v A Center here and in Martinsburg said that when 236 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: he sees veterans who have gone through the program and 237 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: are interested in it, he engages them by talking about 238 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: He says, their eyes light up and UM, it's just 239 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: like a really cool, like a really something that I 240 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: would never have thought of, you know, learning about um, 241 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: how we can help veterans. And it was very interesting 242 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: because it's almost like West Virginia is using what's available 243 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: to them. You know, there's a lot of far it's 244 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: a cold state, but there's a lot of agriculture here 245 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: and uh, it's kind of a symbiotic relationship between the 246 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: veterans in the in the state. Yeah, like any time. 247 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: You know, I think when guys work behind a computer 248 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: too much like I do, you can become kind of 249 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: withdrawn and like just like internal eye everything. Um. So, 250 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: I mean I think getting out there in a lot 251 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: kind of doing something with your hands and having like 252 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: a project to work on. I can see. I can 253 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: see what you're saying. How that's beneficial for people. Yeah, um, 254 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: and and I was. I was really surprised that that 255 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: it was going on. So the end Golan's were there. 256 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: The whole point of the story that I read for 257 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: the local paper here, which is the journal it's in Martinsburg. 258 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: The whole point of the story was that the end 259 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: Golan Defense Ministry has recognized the success of this program 260 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: and they want to duplicate it in their own country 261 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: because after decades of civil war, the country has a 262 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: huge population of veteran is a mess. Yeah, that country 263 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: is a disaster basically. I mean it's not and it's 264 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: not as bad as like turkmenis Stan or Syria, but 265 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: it's still in a really bad way. Yeah. So they're 266 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: looking for any type of solution that they can find 267 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: to help these veterans. And what they like about these 268 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: agriculture programs in specific is a fact that not only 269 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: does it help with mental else but it also gets 270 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: them employed and also generates money for the for the country. 271 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: So they were very excited, um to come and visit 272 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: and they're uh the local defense at that at the 273 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: end goal and ministering um an army colonel. You know, 274 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: he a comforted in them and kind of act as 275 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: a translator. So it's a really cool opportunity to see 276 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: some different programs that people might not be aware of 277 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: that are available for veterans. And um, you know what 278 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: Ed said the guy who runs the program, He said 279 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: that he wants to make sure that the guys who 280 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: need it the most can get it. And um, you know, 281 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: he says, sometimes the people who need programs like these 282 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: the most, we see the least. And uh, you know, 283 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: he was very adamant about UM. You know, when someone 284 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: comes into the program, they don't ask why are you here? 285 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: You know, what's your background? They want to keep it 286 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: as non judgmental as possible. And they you know, they want, 287 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: um that's the feel comfortable. And I think that's also 288 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: very important because you know, as as you guys both know. 289 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a stigma run mental health even today, 290 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: en and we've made huge strides, but they're still is 291 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: that stigma? Do they have there other programs aside from 292 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: beekeeping that do like animal husbandry or I don't know. 293 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about farming, so so I don't either. 294 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: But luckily I did ask that question to the Department 295 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: of Agriculture in West Virginia and they said they do, Uh, 296 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: they do livestock, so they do cattle that you bee keeping. UM, 297 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: actually do maple syrup. That's like a a what's the 298 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: word a growing industry here in West Virginia, which I 299 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: was unaware of. But they do maple things like that, 300 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: and they were just trying to expand it. UM. He 301 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: did say though that the bee keeping program is probably 302 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: the largest so far in the state. UM. But there 303 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, they got bamboo, um, lavender, so all sorts 304 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: of stuff, and they kind of try to tailor to 305 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: what the veterans interested in. So if you have a 306 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: guy who comes in says, Okay, I'm afraid of beust, 307 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: but I'm really interested in maple syrup. Oh, well, there's 308 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: a guy you four hours away, does Maple syrup and 309 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: will put you in contact with them? No, that's really cool. 310 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: And those are like programs that if you don't know 311 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: about them, you don't know about them, you know, but 312 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: people should know that this stuff is out there for him. Yeah, 313 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: and you and you know that's the thing, right, Like 314 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: if you're not a patient at the v A, or 315 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: if you don't feel I mean even if you are 316 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: a patient at the v A, you know, how how 317 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: do you broach that subject with your physician? You know, like, Hey, 318 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking because I don't think a lot of 319 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: veterans are gonna walk in there necessarily in say to 320 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: their primary charactercter. Hey, I'm I'm lacking purpose in my 321 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: life right now, you know what I mean? And I 322 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: think letting people know that, Hey, there are these programs 323 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: out there and they're non judgmental and they have uh 324 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: you know there I wouldn't say tried and true, but 325 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: the veterans have gone through them. A lot of them 326 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: have given it very positive reviews and credit they was 327 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: saving their lives. So I think it's important to get 328 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: the word out about things like that. And you know, 329 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: it makes me wonder how many programs and things there 330 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: are for veterans out there like this that we don't 331 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: know about. Yeah, there's a lot. So yeah, that's the 332 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: that the gist of it. And it's a really cool 333 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: program up here, and I was super happy to get 334 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: the chance to see him and then they're all great guys. 335 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: So and anything that we can do to to help vets, 336 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: you know, that's always like a political talking point. You know, 337 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna help our vets, but it's nice to see 338 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: it in action, right right, something just a bullet on 339 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: a website. So yeah, no, I appreciate it, Joe. Um. 340 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: And speaking of which, we gotta get my buddy Josh 341 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: a call to talk about the American Legion reopening or 342 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if reopening is the right word. But 343 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: over in Hoboken, New Jersey. Is there anything else you 344 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: wanted to float out there? Um before we let you go? 345 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: Uh no, you know, I'm still at the news rep. 346 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: Uh righting stuff. Um. You know, if if the if 347 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: there's readers out there listening and they'd like me to 348 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: cover specific things they're interested in, things I encourage me, 349 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: will let me know, you know, I'm I'm certainly not 350 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: pigeonholed into one one beat or anything like that. And 351 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: you know what news drop. We always want to write 352 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: content that's geared for our readers, and the best way 353 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: that I can do that is to have reader feedback. 354 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: So if you're listening and there's things that you're registered 355 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: in that I'm that I'm not covering and you want 356 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: me to, feel free to reach out. You know, I 357 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: still try to um keep track of the bowl outbreak 358 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: in the d r C, which is a nightmare, and 359 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: I still try to keep my eye on maritime issues. 360 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: And you know, we had an election coming up next year, 361 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: so there'll be some more political pieces, but there's probably 362 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: tens of tens and dozens of things that people are 363 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: interested that I'm not covering, and I encourage people to 364 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: let me know and I'll do my best. And if 365 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: you're looking for Joe, reach out to him on Twitter 366 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: at lafay Joseph. That l A F A V and 367 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: then Joseph spelled traditionally. Yeah, I need some more followers. 368 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: It's embarrassing. We'll help you out here and follow Joe please. 369 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: I just want the blue check. That's why I got 370 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: into this business. Check. Well, I appreciate you guys. It 371 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: was a great talking to you and thanks for having 372 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: me on. Yeah. Thanks. So anytime you want to, you 373 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: want to come back on talk about a story or 374 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: something like that, just let me know. Well do sir. 375 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Again, It's good to meet you man. 376 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: Pleasures all mine, Joe, thank you very much for the 377 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: patience and everything. Do you guys have a good day? 378 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: All right? Thanks by so Joshua Lee's I think this 379 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: is like the second time we've had you on, right, Yeah, 380 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: the last time I was on, I was on with bike. Yeah. Yeah, 381 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: we had called in from the same place for mulligans. 382 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: We were all drinking, that's right. So I know Joshua Uh. 383 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: He lives over in Hoboken, New Jersey. He was a 384 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: Civil Affairs soldier UM and we I met him all. 385 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: I also knew him through UH with Michael Schlitz and 386 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: we used to do the tunnel the Towers thing and 387 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: all that jazz. But you wanted to come on and 388 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: talk about the American Legion like basically like reopening and Hoboken. Yeah, 389 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: but you're also a new proud member of Yeah, I 390 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: need to I need to give you my information Yeah, 391 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: just that d D two four team whenever you get 392 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: a chance, so we can start drinking together. Stolen valor, motherfucker. Yeah. 393 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: So basically what happened was there was an American Legion, 394 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: like in Hoboken, as a lot of American Legions are 395 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: around the country. It was just a bunch of old 396 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: guys hanging out, great guys, you know, walking about through 397 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: Southeast Asia. Yeah. Yeah, but um so I became a 398 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: member because they approached me. They knew that there were 399 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: some veterans from like gay era veterans in town, and uh, 400 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to support him. But it was really kind 401 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: of lame. It was just like an old kind of garage. 402 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: It was nice, but it was like, you know, a 403 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: six pack of schlitzpeer and refrigerator and a bottle of 404 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: cheap vodka in the in the freezer, dusty t O 405 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: W M. I a flag in the corner of the room. Yeah. 406 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: So the greatest thing that came out of Hurricane Sandy 407 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: was the place was destroyed and uh and also as 408 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: rank a lot for like five days straight. But uh 409 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: so what happened after that was a weird chain of 410 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: events where all of a sudden, the community around here 411 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: got really heavily involved in trying to raise money to 412 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: open a new one, and then money kind of just 413 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: started pouring in in a way that I didn't think 414 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: it was gonna And somebody got this idea to build 415 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: a brand new building five stories tall where we would 416 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: house homeless veterans on the third, fourth, and fifth floor, 417 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: and on the second floor. They decided that they were 418 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: gonna have a bar, which they gave to me, which, 419 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: on the surface of it sounds like a dicey proposition. 420 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: We're having the homeless veterans on four, three, four and 421 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: five and we're having a bar. Yeah. So like it 422 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: was kind of a weird thing and we had to 423 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: sell it. Uh. But we assured everybody that we bet 424 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: the homeless veterans very like, very well and they would 425 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: have zero access to that and the bar on the 426 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: second floor would be like a congregation point for all 427 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: the veterans to come meet up. So for about three 428 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: years they raised the money, they started construction on the 429 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: building last year, uh, and we're actually cutting the ribbon 430 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: on Monday. Everything's done. The bar, as you've seen, is 431 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Got rifle stacks from World War two to 432 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: g u era behind the bar. Uh. It's just it's 433 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: gonna be a great place for a lot of veterans 434 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: to hang out. And I kind of urge anybody that's 435 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: living in this area to come take a look. And uh, 436 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: if you are a veteran, I mean, it's as simple 437 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: as a copy of your DT two fourteen and thirty 438 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: five dollar check. And you showed me pictures of the 439 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: bar that that like amazing a bar top that they 440 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: made out of like a solid piece of wood. Yeah, dude. 441 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: So what they did was, I got these marines from 442 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: from Newark. They're all firefighters and on the side what 443 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: they do as they do like woodwork. And so they 444 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: got us a koyetree from California and they brought it 445 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: to these other guys who do like all this like 446 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: I'm breaking stuff with a POxy and they made an 447 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 1: American slag barn. It's just it's like mind blowing, super 448 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: cool man. And and so then the program for the 449 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: Homeless Veterans is what they're gonna get, referred to you 450 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: guys by the v A. Yeah, the v A takes 451 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: the lead on it, but we ultimately have the vetting 452 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: on who gets to come in and who uh, and 453 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: right now we have six slots and these apartments that 454 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: we have are like balls to the wall awesome and 455 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: they're fully furnished. So we want to kind of get 456 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: guys that not like ship backs, but more along the 457 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: lines like they can't support themselves for whatever reason like um. 458 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: And so the vetting process actually has been somewhat of 459 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: a challenge. But we're in a position now where it 460 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: looks like the guys that we're gonna have their truly 461 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to say, deserve to be there, but 462 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: need help and are not like they get and they're 463 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: gonna get this great opportunity. And it's not just like 464 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: a free ride either, Like they're gonna be like things 465 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: that they criteria that they have to meet. It's not 466 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: like they just get a free apartment. They can sit there, 467 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, do whatever. There's gonna be social services and 468 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: so on involved. Yeah, Like I mean, if there's a 469 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: chance to rehabilitate for whatever reason, if it's physically mentally, uh, 470 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna have those services for that and hopefully someday, 471 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: hopefully in the near future, get them back out there 472 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 1: so that they can support themselves on their own. If 473 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: they can't physically. It's pretty amazing that that the American 474 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: Legion was able to put this all together. And it's 475 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: really cool that it's not just a drinking club that 476 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: you're trying to, you know, actually do something for homeless 477 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: veterans at the same time. Yeah, I mean the the 478 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: I call it a congregation area. That's like the bar, 479 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: that's the bar is the bar. But it's also more 480 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: than that. You've got guys here that just want to 481 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: hang out with the younger guys. We have a guy 482 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: foot in World War two and Korea and he just 483 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: really wants to sit there and have a half a 484 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: beer and talk about what we went through as world 485 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: there trying to find out what he went So it's 486 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: it's it's a good way to spand the generations and 487 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: uh and it's just as helpful for them as this 488 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: for us. Like and I've when I went in there, 489 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: there were three g y or guys like Rack Afghanistan. 490 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: Now we're up to eight nine. Yeah. Actually, when I 491 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: get your d D two four teen and it's ninety 492 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: so yeah, so I'll pull that up for you, all right. 493 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: So yeah, so if anybody's interested in joining, uh, you know, 494 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: you could put my information out there. I could put 495 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: the information out for the legion. It's hold Boken Post 496 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: one oh seven. Uh. You can always find me there 497 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: at Mulligan's or email me and call me. I'm available 498 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: for anybody. That's awesome, Josh and um and the opening 499 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: is this Monday. Yeah, they're gonna do the like the 500 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: Dog and Pony Show with all the politicians and stuff, 501 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: but no Senator Menendez. Actually yeah, yeah, So yeah, that's 502 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: just kind of the minutious stuff that you gotta deal with. Um, 503 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: but it's all good man, it's all graving. Then the 504 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: second phase when you come out here again, Uh, I'll 505 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: show you in the backside. There's a second phase that 506 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: they want to do in about a year where we're 507 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: gonna build more housing for Homer's veterans. Yeah, so this 508 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: is an ongoing process and uh yeah, I mean it's 509 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: gonna be I'll have follow ups. He let everybody know 510 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: what's going on. But and if even if you're not 511 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: from around here, and you're like a veteran from another 512 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: part of the country and you come into the New 513 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: York area, you're always more than welcome to come in. Uh, 514 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: You're gonna come to New York and have a walk around, 515 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: and you're looking just to get out of the city 516 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: for the day. Hoboken is about ten minutes away, so yeah, 517 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good time. Yeah, you jump on 518 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 1: the Path train. I mean, I think most people who 519 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,239 Speaker 1: live here know this, but I mean, if you can 520 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: jump on the Path train right into Hoboken and like 521 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: you said, it's like a fifteen minute ride. Yeah, I 522 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: think you. I think you remember many, many, many times 523 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: coming out here on the Path Patch rain. I'm just 524 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: not sure you remember going back. You and I get together. 525 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of whiskey. Yeah. Man, 526 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: there are a couple of times where I, uh, I 527 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: got home and I remember telling my wife like the 528 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: next morning, like I have no idea how I navigated 529 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: the New York City subway system, man, lot the sucking 530 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: ranger skills, and now did it? When I closed? Alight, 531 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: I gotta get back to work. Um, I appreciate having 532 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: me on. Yeah hopefully maybe like we'll link up next 533 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: week or the week after, all right, all right, yeah, 534 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: you gotta show me the new place. I will absolute 535 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: all right, Now, I gotta get to that Women's World Cup. Alright, 536 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: good luck Josh, alrightla b that was that was our 537 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: Independent Steaks Craviganza episode. I mean, well that was good. 538 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: That was, you know, talking about the American Legion reopening 539 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: and uh and veterans programs down in West Virginia's some 540 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: some good stuff. I can already tell that. I like Josh. 541 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: He's a character. We we can I can get him 542 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: in studio. As you can see, It's take some arm 543 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: wrestling because he's all over the fucking place. But I 544 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: can get him in studio. I can tell her and 545 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: I can get I can get him to tell you 546 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: stories about going to the Congo as a civil affairs guy, 547 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: and uh, he'll tell you some funny as stories about 548 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: how his squad leader got um sent home after their 549 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: first day in the Congo. One day in he he 550 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: had he had a bit of a m what's the 551 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: word I'm looking for. The British might call it a 552 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: fortnight involved involving hard Wicker in Congo lease prostitutes WHOA, 553 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: and the Defense Intelligence Agency catching wind of it and 554 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: sending him home. Yeah, that'll get you the boot. That'll 555 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: do it. That'll do it. Reminds it reminds me of 556 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: when I was in Senegal and the tax in one 557 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: of the taxicab drivers drive music. You like girls, You 558 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: me to take you to the girls? You like? You 559 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: like the girls. I'm like, no, no, thank you, thank you, sir. 560 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: Can you please just take me to my destination? See, 561 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: I feel like during cahoots, like the cab drivers in 562 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: the ladies of the night. Oh yeah, they're getting kickbacks 563 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: for that, and then, um, you can't really trust the 564 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: cab drivers either, Like I'll tell you it's uh, it's 565 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: it's frustrating. Um. A lot of the countries I've gone to, 566 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: it's weird that it's not just the language barrier. It's 567 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: it's like I'll tell them they're like take me, take 568 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: me here, try to show them on the map, like 569 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: I don't know where that is, Like this is your hometown, 570 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: how do you not know? So then I'll tell him, 571 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: like in Senegal that was one of the places about Okay, 572 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: if you don't know where that is, just take me 573 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: to the presidential palace or president whatever they call. Walk 574 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: from there and they can don't know how to take 575 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: you there either. It's like, okay, this is just getting 576 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: stupid at this point they don't or there I feel 577 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: I mean this could be stereotyping, but I feel like 578 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: they look at us as dumb Americans. Oh yeah, oh yeah, 579 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: no they do. It is uh in that country, I 580 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: think the term is too bob, which is the was 581 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: the white guy they're talking about you. Um. Anyway back 582 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: to the U s of A. For this fourth of 583 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: July episode. UM, I've been reading this book called Special 584 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: Operations during the American Revolution by a retired colonel named 585 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: Robert to Um. Really good book, really enjoying it. It's UM, 586 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as special operations back in those days, 587 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: if you want to get technical about it. But there 588 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: was definitely a such thing as a regular warfare, a 589 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: guerilla warfare. UM. It was something that we picked up 590 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: largely from the Native Americans. So before the Revolutionary War, 591 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: there's like six conflicts. There's like the King George's War, 592 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: There's the French and Indian War. They are all these 593 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: little bushfire wars where we were fighting the Native Americans, 594 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: or we were fighting the French or whoever. UM, And 595 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: at various times we were allied with the Native American 596 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: tribe some of them, or the enemy we were fighting 597 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: was allied with certain other tribes. So this sort of 598 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: like Napoleonic uh style of fighting in large military formations 599 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: and getting marched around information and lining up and shooting 600 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: at each other. That was kind of uh, not really 601 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: a thing for us, because the way the Native Americans 602 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: fought was more guerrilla warfare. They were fighting through ambushes 603 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: and raids and things like this. UM Out in the 604 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: rugged Countryside my next book. After I finished this, I 605 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: already read the first chapter of this book, Um Diplomacy 606 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: by Henry Kissinger, and he's talks early on in the 607 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: book about how Americans have a certain zella try almost 608 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: for freedom because we're descended from a frontier culture. We 609 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: are ancestors desired freedom so much that they left behind 610 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: their homes in Europe. They came to the United States 611 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: and literally cleared a path to the wild frontier of 612 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: America to build a new home. And that mentality influences 613 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: us to this day, and it is influenced how we 614 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: project ourselves out into the world, and that we have 615 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: this idea um that freedom is so important that we 616 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: need to God damn it, we need to teach the 617 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: rest of the world about freedom. Too, and Uh. Sometimes 618 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Sometimes it's a bad thing. Sometimes 619 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: we go out into places like Iraq and we think 620 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: that we unseat the government there and in some sort 621 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: of Jeffersonian democracy is gonna spring up, this well spring 622 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: of freedom is gonna come about, and it doesn't. UM. 623 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: On the other hand, we have gone to Europe several times, 624 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: fighting several world wars to make sure that God damn 625 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: freedom triumphs over the forces of fascism um. And then 626 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: after that we fought the communist menace all over the 627 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: world UH, ensuring that this this evil ideology does not 628 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: spread contaminate the entire globe. UM. So on one hand 629 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: we've been these these ardent defenders of freedom UM. But 630 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: at times we've become zealous about it and thinking that 631 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: we can just go and bully foreign populations and that that, 632 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: you know, the sort of freedom in the system of 633 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: governments that we have is going to come about, and 634 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: that just doesn't happen. UM. So we have to find 635 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: a balance. And I think this is something that Dr 636 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: Kissinger would agree with if you read his writings, that 637 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: we have to calibrate um our desire to spread freedom 638 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: with a sense of realism and what can be realistically accomplished. 639 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: And the United States has a very unique UM approach 640 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: to foreign policy because of where we're geographically located, because 641 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: we're surrounded by UM friendly countries like Canada. Um. Okay, 642 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 1: we have our problems with Mexico, but they're not really 643 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: a threat to the United States per se. And then 644 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: on the other sides we have the Atlantic and the 645 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: Pacific Ocean. So what this has done is it's allowed 646 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: us to decide, not justus how we want to pursue 647 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: our foreign policy. But if we have this option, we 648 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: have an option of engaging with the world. We can 649 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: decide not to if we don't want to. So that 650 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: has put America in a very unique position. UM. And 651 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: I wrote for UH for our website for the News 652 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: for Rep. It will be up on there UM over 653 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: the coming days as we go into the fourth of July. 654 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: Holiday is about George Washington in the Battle for New York, 655 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: which happened right here UM in August that summer of 656 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six. And George Washington is a very slippery 657 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: character historically speaking, He's hard to understand and I should 658 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: really read a thorough biography about him, maybe to try 659 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: to understand more about who he was. He's such an 660 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 1: interesting character because on one hand, he was this incredibly 661 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: incompetent general who lost every battle he fought in practical 662 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: even before the Revolution. I mean he lost battles. Um 663 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: had had these humiliating defeats. UM, and yet he never 664 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: gave up, and his men continued to follow him. I mean, yes, 665 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: there were desertions and as enlistments expired, people left Washington's 666 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: army during the Revolutionary War, but even through some tough winners, 667 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: his men stuck with him. And that really says something 668 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: about his character and his leadership ability and the cause 669 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: for which they all fought for UM. Because if either 670 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: any of those things were lacking, I think that the 671 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: colonial militia would have abandoned him entirely. So there's something 672 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: very unique and interesting about his character. UM. And he 673 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: was the underdog in the Revolutionary War. The British had 674 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of reinforcements showing up UM on our shores, 675 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: hitting Staten Island, hitting these other places they were Um. 676 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: They had resupply ships coming in from Europe. Washington, I mean, 677 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: we we one of the big problems we had was 678 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: access to gunpowder. And this book Special Operations in the 679 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: American Revolution, it details a raid that the Continental Navy 680 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: did down the Bahamas, hitting a um essentially a British 681 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: fortress that was holding all this gunpowder. They had these 682 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: deep reserves of gunpowder, and uh, the rate itself was 683 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: kind of a debacle. It was it was um, the 684 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: guys who led it, the new re formed Continental Navy. 685 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: It was almost like they were they freelanced that mission. 686 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: It was never really authorized by the Continental Congress. So 687 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: they told them like, yeah, go south and harass the 688 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: British Navy. No one ever said go to the Bahamas 689 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: and launched this raid and capture gunpowder. Um. It was 690 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: kind of at the ambition of of them, and his 691 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: names in the book, I'd have to pull it up. 692 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: They went, and they went and did this raid, and 693 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,399 Speaker 1: they captured all this gun patter and then came back. 694 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: And that would have been fine in of itself, maybe 695 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: he would have gotten away with it. But then they 696 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: decided to harass a bunch of British naval ships on 697 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: the way back and kind of got their asses handed 698 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: to them. Um. So the commander of the American Navy fledging. 699 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: Fledgling American Navy was removed after that and a new 700 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,919 Speaker 1: guy took over. And then another profile in the book 701 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: is John Paul Jones who went over to France and 702 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: he met with Ben Franklin and UM and Adams, John 703 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: Adams and UH. Adams found him to be an eccentric, 704 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: irregular figure, UM maybe not really trustworthy. And John Paul Jones, 705 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: I mean it was another kind of like like Benedict Arnold, 706 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: very um ambitious overlea, so to the point that it 707 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: was like an ego thing for him. And John Paul 708 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,439 Speaker 1: Jones went and launched some raids on British soil back 709 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: in his home in Scotland and UM which were not 710 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: very effective, but they did kind of put the fear 711 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: of God into the British. It was like, oh my God, 712 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: the Americans are hitting us where we live and kind 713 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: of freaked out about it. And then he sailed around 714 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: around Ireland to escape um the British UH forces that 715 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: were out looking for them, and it was just, on 716 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: one hand, very daring, on the other hand a bit 717 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 1: of a clown show. UH. And then it's interesting when 718 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: you read about the American Revolution, because that's kind of 719 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: a common running theme through what the American forces were doing, 720 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: I mean, with this audacity and bravery, but also kind 721 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: of a fucking joke. Yeah, certainly. And what George Washington 722 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: was doing was uh, I mean kind of losing every 723 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: time and every battle. And the Battle for New York 724 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: is a good example of this. Is that one thing 725 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,439 Speaker 1: that Washington had and one thing we had going for 726 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: us as Americans was strategic depth. And what that means 727 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: is that we had this big, gass country that there 728 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: was always somewhere to retreat, even if you got backed 729 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: up against the body of water, as long as you 730 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: could get boats over to your position, you could retreat 731 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: somewhere else. You could just keep retreating and keep retreating 732 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: until you've exhausted the British forces who have to keep 733 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: chasing after you. And so no one really knew, I mean, 734 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: after the Brits had some defeats, uh with the Um 735 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: capture of Fort um Taikondar roga Um, there were some 736 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: other defeats down south, we kind of knew that they 737 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: were going to attack New York City. It was a 738 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: major economic hub at the time, as it continues to 739 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: be for different reasons. So the Battle for New York 740 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: City was coming, and we just didn't know was General 741 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: how going to land his forces on New York City 742 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: or what do you land on Long Island? Um? He did. 743 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 1: He did land his forces on Long Island. The Battle 744 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: for Long Island was fought, also known as the Battle 745 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: for Brooklyn. Um. General How also launched a kind of 746 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: a bit of a surprise attack going through uh the 747 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: I believe it's called the Jamaica Pass. So Jamaica was 748 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: Jamaica Queens was basically a swamp at the time, or 749 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: as much of it was. And there's just a narrow footpath. Uh. 750 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: And there's this guy, an American guy named Nolton who 751 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: had in a regular force. Um who's pulled in and 752 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: they served as light infantry during the battle from New York. 753 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: Um they could have been employed, according to uh ton 754 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: setics book, employed as a guerrilla force and could have 755 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: defended this Jamaica Pass, which is it was just a 756 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,240 Speaker 1: narrow footpath through the swamp from what I've read. Um, 757 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: But they were employed as light infantry. And How kind 758 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: of pulled a bold maneuver by taking his forces through 759 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: this pass and uh, creeping up on Washington's forces. So 760 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: now you're at this position where uh British infantry has 761 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: pushed Washington up against the East River, and meanwhile you 762 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: have UM British naval forces trying to get up the 763 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: East River and they were facing unfavorable winds UM and 764 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: couldn't do it. And also down a battery park in 765 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: Governor's Island, you had cannons and and batteries there that 766 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 1: were shooting at the British. And what George Washington had 767 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,760 Speaker 1: to do was he left all the camp fires um 768 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: lit in his camps in Brooklyn, and they called every 769 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: ship and every rowboat that they could find in New 770 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: York to evacuate Patriot forces. And it was something wild. 771 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: It was like I have it in here somewhere. It 772 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: was like twenty troops or something like that. That he 773 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: evacuated that night without losing a man and evacuated to Manhattan. 774 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,439 Speaker 1: So eventually general how they get their forces. They chase 775 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: Washington into Manhattan. UM Washington had a home as a 776 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 1: high point out Harlem Heights where he was based at 777 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: of at the time after that, and I've actually been 778 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: up there. That place still exists to this day. You 779 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: can go and visit it. A friend of a friend 780 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 1: of mine got married there, um and how chased him up. 781 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: The Patriots, the militia American militia. UM discipline broke down 782 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Um, you had a lot 783 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: of desertions. Knowlton's forces Uh came forward and UM he 784 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: Nolton was one of our more competent officers, Patriot officers. UM, 785 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: and he um launched this UM brave attack against the 786 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: British and was actually killed at that time. UM. And 787 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: as he was dying, he was telling his his subordinates 788 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: not to let the British capture his body and to 789 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,760 Speaker 1: get him evacuate him back to friend lines. UM. Sadly 790 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,919 Speaker 1: he died during that attack. UM. There's a couple other 791 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: battles fought, UM, you know, running battles through Harlem. Uh 792 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: and then finally Washington and the remaining Patriot forces evacuated, 793 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: UM across the river into the Bronx. And then there's 794 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,399 Speaker 1: the battle for White Plains was fought. And after that, 795 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: what you had was Washington continuing to retreat further further 796 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: north and UH that winner, Um there's there's want uh 797 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: launched kind of UM what was called the foraging War. 798 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: So Westchester County was kind of neutral ground where I'm from. Um, 799 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: but you had the British going north, um, trying to 800 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: forage and essentially um reappropriate cattle and grain and food 801 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 1: and things like that over the winter, and Washington would 802 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,479 Speaker 1: send harassing forces after the British, both in New York 803 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: and across the Hudson River in New Jersey basically to 804 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: just like break their balls. Um. Yeah, And it happened again. 805 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: The British launched another attack in Peak Skill and the commander, 806 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: the Patriot commander there basically evacuated as many supplies as 807 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 1: he could and then just set fire to the town 808 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: to deny them any kind of um relief there. And 809 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: it went through that through that winter. They continued to 810 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: do that, And what it did was it kind of 811 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 1: prevented um them from taking new ground. Um. It slowed 812 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: down the British forces, and General Howe was not able 813 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: to begin offensive operations until the summer because his forces 814 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: were so exhausted from that whole conflict throughout the winter. 815 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: So it's a very interesting history to read. And like 816 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 1: I said, UM, maybe I'm not the best historian or 817 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: as good as telling this tale as I'd like, but 818 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: I did write it all down and it'll published on 819 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: the website over the next couple of days. And if 820 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: you want to learn more, you should also check out 821 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: this book, Special Operations during the American Revolution. A friend 822 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: of mine, uh, retired Jay Sock sergeant major, recommended this 823 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: book to me, and UH I picked it up and 824 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm like two thirds of the way through it. UM 825 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: read right now reading about Francis Mary and the swamp 826 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,720 Speaker 1: fox uh down in the Southern Front tail of a nickname. Yeah, 827 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 1: he was a very interesting guy. Um, it's really really 828 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: well researched, an interesting book. So I think the American 829 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 1: Revolution is uh. It's just a fascinating story. It's not 830 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: really my necessarily my area of history or area of expertise, 831 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: but I'm definitely interested in learning more about it. And 832 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed reading this book so far. So I 833 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: thought we'd talked a little bit about it since this 834 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,000 Speaker 1: is the fourth of July episode. Yeah, for sure. I mean, 835 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: he's it's George Washington, the guy. You know, it's him 836 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: and a Lincolner, like the first two presidents you learn 837 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: about from kindergarten onward, Um, the two things that that 838 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: jumped out to me. I've already read the article. Um one, 839 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 1: I'm read the article on your own time. But how 840 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: you talk about how he basically loses every like how 841 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: George Washington's this. You know, he's a founding father, he's 842 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, the face of America. And you know he 843 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 1: kind of was a shitty general. Yeah, he was not 844 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: a he was not a very talented general. Um. But 845 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: there is something about him, something, some personal quality, uh, 846 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,319 Speaker 1: that he he had grit or and or integrity that 847 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: led people to follow him. Yeah. Maybe he was just 848 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,240 Speaker 1: a phenomenal speaker, like he could just rally the troops. Um. 849 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,240 Speaker 1: It's an intangible quality. I mean, it's the thing about leadership. 850 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,480 Speaker 1: It's something that can't really be taught. Um. Yeah, I 851 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: mean it's just incredible. I remember that, Um, that quote 852 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: that the Vietnamese general Old McNamara when he visited Vietnam 853 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 1: after the war and McNamara said something like, you know, 854 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 1: we you know, we won every battle in Vietnam, and 855 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,760 Speaker 1: this Vietnamese general looked at him, He's like, yes, that's true, 856 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: but it's also irrelevant. And that was what happened with 857 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 1: George Washington was that he lost every battle practically, but 858 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,799 Speaker 1: he won the war. Um. And there's just something is 859 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: something to be said about that kind of determination. UM. 860 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: And General how was not a He could be brutal, 861 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,920 Speaker 1: but he wasn't a savage. Um. He was willing to 862 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: let the Patriot forces surrender instead of like, look, there 863 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: will be reconciliation, like you guys had your fun. Now 864 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: you not get the funk off. You come back to 865 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: the good guy's side, You come back to the British side, 866 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: and all will be forgiven. And I picture it like 867 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,919 Speaker 1: like as you were just describing it, how you said 868 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: they you know, we had this, we had this land 869 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 1: to retreat to, and I almost pictured it like um, 870 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 1: like a big brother in a little other where the 871 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 1: little brothers just annoying and the big brothers just chasing around, 872 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: the little brothers just running, and finally the big brothers 873 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 1: just like you know what, fuck it like get away, 874 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: like I don't want to deal with you anymore. And 875 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: that I mean that had the British felt like that, 876 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: like you know how I was chasing. I was chasing. 877 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,280 Speaker 1: It's like, what the funk are we doing? Like George 878 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: cut it out man. At some point He's like, you're 879 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: a nuisance more than anything. And it's funny to picture that, Like, 880 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: you know, He's like, it's it seemed like how it 881 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 1: was always two steps ahead, and but it was like 882 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, George was like, all right, 883 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 1: let's get out of here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and just 884 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 1: warre and wore them down and exhausted their resources. Um. 885 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a fascinating conflict to study. And you know, 886 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: Americans do have this background and unconventional and a regular warfare, 887 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 1: and it's something that I think we've become so institutionalized 888 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:57,759 Speaker 1: that we struggle to regain. Um we were incredibly good 889 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,799 Speaker 1: at at this time, and maybe because we've lost some 890 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: of our frontier culture. I think we really struggle the 891 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 1: Army and U S. Special Forces, we struggle to reacquire 892 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: some of these skills. Um. Yeah, we have problems with it. 893 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,640 Speaker 1: But I think also I would recommend people go and 894 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: watch that series about John Adams, um and some of 895 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 1: the conversations I think it was an hbos was gonna say, 896 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,120 Speaker 1: Paul Giamaty was was John Adams and uh that the 897 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,360 Speaker 1: and some of the conversations in that series between Adams 898 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: and Jefferson are just fascinating because especially the way they're 899 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,920 Speaker 1: filmed too, and they're they're they're looking at each other 900 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: having these very sharp conversations like ideological debates. And the 901 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,320 Speaker 1: reason why that matters is because some of these questions 902 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:51,920 Speaker 1: about the federal system um and about freedom and what 903 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: that is, these ideological debates are still with us today. 904 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: That's crazy. They're still with us today and we're still 905 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: still having debates about things like states rights. What does 906 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:09,320 Speaker 1: that mean? Uh? Should we be subservient to the federalized system? 907 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,319 Speaker 1: I mean, what is the answer? And I'm not necessarily 908 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 1: here to give you the name the answer today, but 909 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: the questions are certainly still with us, and we we 910 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,520 Speaker 1: haven't entirely figured it out. I love the Founding Fathers 911 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 1: that how it still holds truth to as as you're 912 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,959 Speaker 1: saying it is just it's one of the more patriotic things. 913 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: I feel like that you know that the they write 914 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: the Declaration Independence and it's like this is gonna hold 915 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 1: true for as long as we're going to be a country, 916 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 1: and it's it's revered today. It's I mean, this is 917 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 1: this is the fourth of July episode, So let's get patriotic, 918 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,399 Speaker 1: and I mean these people were characters too. I mean 919 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: John Hancock signed signing his signature as big as he 920 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,279 Speaker 1: could because he wanted King George to see it. John 921 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,480 Speaker 1: Hancock was basically like he was like a fucking pirate. Basically, 922 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: that's the thing that like. He he was the biggest 923 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: smuggler on the Eastern seaboard. If you get these you 924 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,759 Speaker 1: get characters is the perfect word for him. You get 925 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,400 Speaker 1: these guys that were like, you know, how fund the 926 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,680 Speaker 1: British rule, Like let's go to America, We'll do our 927 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: own thing. And and these are the guys that we 928 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 1: look up there, like you talked at the beginning of 929 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,399 Speaker 1: this was um freedom and how that still holds true today, 930 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,279 Speaker 1: Like we like, we love this freedom because these guys 931 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,880 Speaker 1: love freedom. And it's like being there I would. And 932 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: Jefferson was a brilliant intellectual also completely eccentric. I mean 933 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,920 Speaker 1: he left he left Washington after his presidency feeling like 934 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 1: he failed. He felt like he felt like the world 935 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,439 Speaker 1: was not ready for to be free yet That's how 936 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: he left office. There were so many great characters. Fucking 937 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,400 Speaker 1: Ben Ben Franklin found out electricity flying a kite like 938 00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 1: that's like, what kind of maniac I bet he did. 939 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,000 Speaker 1: Franklin wasn't he wasn't eccentric. I bet he was looking 940 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,400 Speaker 1: to oads. I bet he was doing some hiyahuasca. It 941 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me. You don't. You don't come up with 942 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,480 Speaker 1: you don't concoct an idea like let's tie let's tie 943 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: a kite to a key in a thunderstorm and see 944 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,720 Speaker 1: what comes of it. He invented buifocals. That, yeah, there 945 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 1: were there was some great a weirdos. And these are 946 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,440 Speaker 1: our heroes. These are the guys that got us to 947 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 1: where we are today. Well, I mean it was a 948 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: rugged life, you know, uh, colonial frontier of life. UM 949 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,640 Speaker 1: Winners were very tough. It was an agrarian society, were 950 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: very dependent on on crops. We had our conflicts with 951 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,480 Speaker 1: the Indians, which is a whole other topic. I mean, 952 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,239 Speaker 1: we weren't very nice to them and at times they 953 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,799 Speaker 1: weren't very nice to us, you know, and that went 954 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,440 Speaker 1: back and forth. But there's also a history of cooperation there. 955 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,360 Speaker 1: But I mean between disease and warfare, I mean, we 956 00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 1: essentially deconstructed that entire culture and destroyed it. UM. So 957 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of sad, but especially I mean, you're from Westchester. 958 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,359 Speaker 1: I'm from Orange County. There's a rich history of Native 959 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: Americans in the New York State or Tri state area 960 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: as a whole. Yeah, I mean, and and some of 961 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: the names of places around here or Native American. Um man, 962 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,399 Speaker 1: I read I read this account. I can't remember where 963 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,160 Speaker 1: I read this in a in a book, but it 964 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:28,440 Speaker 1: was it was a woman, like an aristocratic woman somewhere 965 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,920 Speaker 1: in Westchester, and she was walking around with a parasale. 966 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,320 Speaker 1: You know, women had little umbrellas. She had a Native 967 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,239 Speaker 1: Americans scrotum in balls hanging from it. Yeah, dude, there's 968 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: the fucking ruthless ship going on back in those days. Yeah, 969 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 1: Like they like we would go and kill their children, 970 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: they would retaliate, come back and kill our kids. Like 971 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,400 Speaker 1: it was. It was fucked up. Yeah, But to have 972 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: some highbrow woman just twirling nuts on her parents and 973 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,239 Speaker 1: like like this book, the ton Setic book he talks 974 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:02,360 Speaker 1: about like before the colonials can Um, the Native Americans 975 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,719 Speaker 1: did war with each other and killed each other, but 976 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 1: there were like norms of warfare and they it was 977 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,439 Speaker 1: typically warriors killing one another. Um they were they would ceremony, sir. 978 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 1: They would um ceremoniously murder prisoners like that. The warriors 979 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 1: that they captured, they were that was their fate to 980 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:25,960 Speaker 1: be killed, ritualistically killed. But the Native Americans would very 981 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,080 Speaker 1: rarely would women and children be killed. And like the 982 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,600 Speaker 1: scorched earth, like burning down the villages like that. Usually 983 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,319 Speaker 1: that was very rare. That didn't normally happen. But then 984 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,080 Speaker 1: when we came to town, the norms of warfare got 985 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: changed and it was fucking brutal man. I mean, I'm 986 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,799 Speaker 1: not going to sugarcoat it. No, I mean I don't 987 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,000 Speaker 1: think anybody I remember. I mean, like I remember growing 988 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,239 Speaker 1: up elementary school. You know, you talk about the Native 989 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,799 Speaker 1: Americans and it was like you learned about like wig 990 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,400 Speaker 1: woms and like yeah, yeah yeah, and ship like that, 991 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 1: and they kind of just glossed over the fact that 992 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,879 Speaker 1: we almost eliminated them completely. It was like, oh yeah, 993 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,680 Speaker 1: and and then what if we like here, you guys 994 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,000 Speaker 1: can run casinos now, like really kind of fucked up 995 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,680 Speaker 1: what we well, yeah, I mean, and going to school 996 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 1: here in New York, I mean, we learn about the 997 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:16,359 Speaker 1: Jewish Holocaust in Europe like every year, absolutely not so 998 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,440 Speaker 1: much time spent on the gen side of the American Indians. Nope, nope, 999 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,799 Speaker 1: mostly because I think it was us that they don't 1000 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: want to paint us in a bad light. So it's 1001 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,880 Speaker 1: like we'll just eliminate that portion of the textbook. But 1002 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,839 Speaker 1: like the Holocaust, because you've got you can you can 1003 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 1: paint Hitler. I mean Hitler is one of the worst 1004 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,799 Speaker 1: people ever. So you you've got the poster boy, like 1005 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,040 Speaker 1: here's the asshole. Like when you when you talk about 1006 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,840 Speaker 1: the Native Americans, it's like, what is the teacher ju 1007 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,879 Speaker 1: just like hold up a mirror, like here's the bad 1008 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,040 Speaker 1: and and in World War Two we were. That's why 1009 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,400 Speaker 1: we love World War Two as Americans, like all all 1010 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: these movies made about captain Americas stuff because it's easy 1011 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,319 Speaker 1: because like here's the very obvious bad guy, and we 1012 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,799 Speaker 1: were very clearly the good guy. Not so not so 1013 00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: much with the Native Americans, which which sucks because their 1014 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,200 Speaker 1: culture is so fascinating. I mean he said want them, 1015 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 1: but like I get a kick out of kicks, not 1016 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,200 Speaker 1: the right where. But like the Night of Americans grew 1017 00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:11,520 Speaker 1: corn or as they called it, may cornucopia is like 1018 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,000 Speaker 1: I remember, I'm not trying to make fun of the 1019 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,560 Speaker 1: Native Americans. It's just the way we're taught about it. 1020 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 1: It's very it's very superficial. It's like but the UM 1021 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: the museum and Philip's bird Manner, which is right down 1022 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,200 Speaker 1: the street from where I grew up as a kid. 1023 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm familiar. My dad worked there, no kidding, yeah, um 1024 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,600 Speaker 1: actually my mom worked there too. I remember going down 1025 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,080 Speaker 1: there and they had the little like museum area and 1026 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,520 Speaker 1: it was like the thing where is um like the 1027 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,240 Speaker 1: silhouette puppets and like you go and press the button 1028 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: and the story and they're like Katrina van Tassel and 1029 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,640 Speaker 1: she has her parasl walking down the streets with nuts 1030 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: on it. That was omitted that the balls are probably 1031 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 1: probably for the best. Yeah no, And I feel bad 1032 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,120 Speaker 1: is like, um, Dutch settlers came in six sixty four 1033 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 1: because I like, uh, first off, they got awesome, uh, 1034 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,160 Speaker 1: great clothing. Every time I go, like if I'll go 1035 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: to like a beer fest in the fall, like up 1036 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,080 Speaker 1: a Bear Mountain or something like that, Um, they always 1037 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,080 Speaker 1: have like a Native American tent. I I can't tell 1038 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 1: you how many um ponchos I have. And like Clint Eastwood, 1039 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,760 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, like and it's probably a drunken purchase, but 1040 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 1: they're like, they're incredibly warm. They're one of my favorite things. 1041 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,479 Speaker 1: My buddy buys a wolf like and they and they're 1042 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,920 Speaker 1: greatly made, but they you just kind of feel like 1043 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: you look at them and you could tell that they 1044 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,160 Speaker 1: ever see those T shirts where it's just like the 1045 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,439 Speaker 1: Native Americans is like you stole our land and you're like, fun, man, 1046 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,840 Speaker 1: you guys like really guilty me about this? You know 1047 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: my shitty ancestors here. Well yeah, man, I mean we'll 1048 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 1: look at you know, life on the rez um. For 1049 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,360 Speaker 1: a lot of Native Americans, I impoverished. They have problems 1050 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,960 Speaker 1: with drugs, and I mean I think a lot of 1051 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,440 Speaker 1: it is because their culture was destroyed and this is 1052 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,400 Speaker 1: what they've been left with. Um. So yeah, it's a sad, 1053 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 1: funked up history. Um it's And the thing I like 1054 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,880 Speaker 1: too is like that you say Native Americans, but there's 1055 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,800 Speaker 1: so many different like oh yeah, like the Mohawks, Algonquins, 1056 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 1: your core and they're not monolithic, uh, nor nor was 1057 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,720 Speaker 1: their civilization utopian portant to remember that like they fought 1058 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,240 Speaker 1: each other too. Um, it was not a utopian culture. 1059 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,800 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean we we kind 1060 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,720 Speaker 1: of came in and just ravaged, uh, you know what 1061 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,440 Speaker 1: they had. But I'm glad it's not funny. But I'm 1062 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,800 Speaker 1: glad that they glossed over to like that, because the 1063 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,360 Speaker 1: older you get, the more you're you're like, like, you know, 1064 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: it was kind of messa just in school, what a 1065 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,440 Speaker 1: what a rose colored memory of like the settlers how 1066 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,040 Speaker 1: we got here that like thank Thanksgiving, it's kind of like, oh, yeah, 1067 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,840 Speaker 1: the Pilgrims and Indians, like we're all sitting at the 1068 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,600 Speaker 1: same table. Back when I was a kid, I mean, 1069 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,920 Speaker 1: we still had we we used to take the construction 1070 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,640 Speaker 1: paper you make the head dress with the hand you 1071 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,200 Speaker 1: do the handprint for the turkeys, that for sure. But 1072 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,800 Speaker 1: I mean we would dress up like Indians for the thing. 1073 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,439 Speaker 1: I don't think you could get away with that now. 1074 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,440 Speaker 1: I used to. Um, I have an ex girlfriend who 1075 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,120 Speaker 1: was an elementary school teacher, and you're not allowed to 1076 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,959 Speaker 1: call you It's not even called Indian style anymore. Yeah, 1077 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,000 Speaker 1: I can't see Indian style. Yeah, when my daughter went 1078 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,360 Speaker 1: to school, they would say crisscross. Yeah, you can't say 1079 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Indians that we know. We said, God damn it when 1080 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,160 Speaker 1: we sat Indian style like it or not. Take that 1081 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,040 Speaker 1: PC crap and shove it up your ass. Yeah, we 1082 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,240 Speaker 1: really we did a number on the UM on the Indians. Yeah, 1083 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I'm not in favor of like 1084 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: we like here's another example. So the tappan Zee Bridge 1085 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:44,160 Speaker 1: renamed fucking Mario Cuomo Bridge. Through the tappan Zee Bridge, 1086 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,080 Speaker 1: it gave homage to both the Dutch settlers and the 1087 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,520 Speaker 1: Native Americans. It was there's a whole story about the 1088 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 1: tappan z and what that is. But anyway, UM renaming 1089 01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:01,280 Speaker 1: it the Mario Cuomo with respect to our Italian American community, 1090 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,480 Speaker 1: our Italian American politicians, UM. And there were there were 1091 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 1: Italian Italian explorers, Verizono and all these other characters UM 1092 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,800 Speaker 1: in this area. But like, I don't think we should 1093 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:19,800 Speaker 1: have like whitewash Native Americans out of our vocabulary either. No. Oh, 1094 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,040 Speaker 1: that's a whole another topic is that. That's the thing too, 1095 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,680 Speaker 1: is like my mother goes on my mother's turning into 1096 01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,439 Speaker 1: one of those like old ladies where like she really 1097 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:33,360 Speaker 1: gets into it. But how um Columbus Circle, they like 1098 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,080 Speaker 1: want to get rid of the Columbus statue because of 1099 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,480 Speaker 1: and it's like guys. Yeah, he was a terrible person, 1100 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,080 Speaker 1: but like he still existed, Like you you can't just 1101 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,320 Speaker 1: erase history. It's a part of it's a part of 1102 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,640 Speaker 1: our history. Like where the where the Black Eye? Yeah, 1103 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,280 Speaker 1: or talk about it on both sides, like look, he 1104 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:52,920 Speaker 1: found in America, he did this, he did X, Y, 1105 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 1: and Z. But at the same time he also, you know, 1106 01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,000 Speaker 1: did some bad stuff. I mean, obviously don't teach a 1107 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,120 Speaker 1: little kids that, but you don't. It's almost like how 1108 01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:06,120 Speaker 1: like if you go to Germany, nothing from the Nazi regime, 1109 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,760 Speaker 1: Like they don't even they just pretend that there are 1110 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,440 Speaker 1: some things they kept up though, like, um, didn't they 1111 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,320 Speaker 1: keep part of the Reichstag up and also Auschwitz that 1112 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,240 Speaker 1: they were gonna like flatten it, but they kept it. 1113 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,400 Speaker 1: Like no, no, people need like yeah, they need to 1114 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,640 Speaker 1: see this, like you guys did a very horrible thing. 1115 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,160 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean we were talking to Miles the 1116 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:32,440 Speaker 1: last episode about Columbia Columbia College. So here's another interesting 1117 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,880 Speaker 1: thing going back to the Battle of New York. Before 1118 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 1: it was Columbia is called King's College and it was 1119 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:44,919 Speaker 1: actually downtown Manhattan. Uh. And after um, the British came 1120 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:50,800 Speaker 1: here came into Manhattan. Washington fled. UM. Nathan Hale was 1121 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,680 Speaker 1: sent here as a spy to spy on British forces. Um. 1122 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,840 Speaker 1: He was captured and executed. He's the one who's famous 1123 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: for saying, my only read is that one life to 1124 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,440 Speaker 1: give from my country. There was a big fire UM 1125 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,120 Speaker 1: that raged across um, like two thirds of Manhattan, destroyed everything, 1126 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:16,520 Speaker 1: and UM, I believe it also burned down King's College. UM. 1127 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,400 Speaker 1: And there's a it's very controversial even to this day 1128 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,320 Speaker 1: who started that fire. Some people think it was Nathan Hale, 1129 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,560 Speaker 1: It probably wasn't. Both George Washington in general, how neither 1130 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,720 Speaker 1: one of them believed in like total war, but they 1131 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,120 Speaker 1: were both like, no, we should not scorch the earth. 1132 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,640 Speaker 1: So it's very unlikely that they gave orders for anyone 1133 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,360 Speaker 1: to do that. Um. But nonetheless, this fire did break 1134 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:46,200 Speaker 1: out and uh. And then after the war, King's College decided, well, 1135 01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,880 Speaker 1: we don't really want to be named after King George anymore. 1136 01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,320 Speaker 1: What's a more suitable American name? And they settled on 1137 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,240 Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus and that's where Columbia comes from. Whoops. Yeah, 1138 01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,760 Speaker 1: so how do they feel about I mean, now it's 1139 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,720 Speaker 1: been around for for cultural appropriation. You know, I don't know. 1140 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm not about like whitewashing the past and trying to 1141 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,000 Speaker 1: pretend it didn't happen. Um. And that's why I was 1142 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,320 Speaker 1: totally against all those all those kids carrying down Civil 1143 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,880 Speaker 1: War statues. And I knew, I knew, and I was 1144 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,320 Speaker 1: right after they did that, after the Civil War statue thing. 1145 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,320 Speaker 1: The next thing, They're coming after Jefferson, They're coming after Washington, 1146 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:29,360 Speaker 1: They're coming after Columbus. Because these people who are of 1147 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,560 Speaker 1: that whatever you want to call them, social justice warriors 1148 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,440 Speaker 1: or whatever, they're trying to fill a hole inside themselves. 1149 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,360 Speaker 1: And that hole is so deep it can never be filled. 1150 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:43,000 Speaker 1: So they will not rest until they completely dismantle and 1151 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,880 Speaker 1: destroy the entire culture. And all of our founding fathers 1152 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: have to go because so many of them were slave owners, 1153 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,680 Speaker 1: and they were almost almost all of them, like two 1154 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,200 Speaker 1: thirds of them were, And we should not bullshit ourselves 1155 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,720 Speaker 1: about that Jefferson owned slaves. Uh, you know, we should 1156 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,919 Speaker 1: acknowledge that and we're from it and move on from that, 1157 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,280 Speaker 1: and like, okay, that was like a fund up part 1158 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,120 Speaker 1: of our history. And you know, we went through a 1159 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 1: very painful experience with the Civil War, and uh, the 1160 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,040 Speaker 1: civil rights movement went through a painful experience there, and 1161 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,000 Speaker 1: like we should acknowledge our own evolution as a society 1162 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,439 Speaker 1: and embrace that, but while also embracing where we came from. 1163 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,880 Speaker 1: I don't believe in all that that that revisionist history. 1164 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm with you almost just want to hand them like 1165 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,960 Speaker 1: an open book and be like here, you you write, 1166 01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,960 Speaker 1: and you guys tell your story and we'll tell the truth. Well, 1167 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 1: it's that Howard zen interpretation of history. That that um, 1168 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,680 Speaker 1: that Marxist interpretation of American history. Uh, that is just 1169 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,840 Speaker 1: all the horrible things we've done and something we have 1170 01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,120 Speaker 1: done some horrible things. But what gets lost in that 1171 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 1: with that Howard Zinn ship is that all the great 1172 01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,520 Speaker 1: positive things that we've done through our history, which completely 1173 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,880 Speaker 1: overshadows in my eyes, like the bad and the doc 1174 01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,360 Speaker 1: uments and the philosophy of John Adams and Thomas Jeffersoning 1175 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,280 Speaker 1: and what George Washington fought for and the signing of 1176 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:13,360 Speaker 1: our Constitution was the framework that later on the African 1177 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,520 Speaker 1: American community could lean on and say, hey, this document 1178 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,200 Speaker 1: says freedom for all men, this Bill of rights. Here, 1179 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,560 Speaker 1: where the funk are our rights? So are all men. 1180 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:28,480 Speaker 1: It gave them the them philosophical and legal scaffolding to 1181 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:33,320 Speaker 1: point towards and say that this these founding documents say 1182 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,880 Speaker 1: we should be granted our freedom's great point. Uh so yeah, 1183 01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,200 Speaker 1: let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater here. 1184 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,320 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot to be said for our 1185 01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,960 Speaker 1: constitution and our Bill of Rights and the people who 1186 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,480 Speaker 1: fought and died for it. Um, one light I want 1187 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,120 Speaker 1: to end. We went down a dark road. Um this 1188 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:55,120 Speaker 1: is the fourth talking about growdoms on para sales. Uh yeah, 1189 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,480 Speaker 1: that that that wasn't really that dark. That was more 1190 01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,440 Speaker 1: that was just a weird visual. But I'm gonna give 1191 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 1: you another weird I'm here for you. I'm here for you, Dennis. 1192 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you another weird visual because um, as 1193 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,560 Speaker 1: I read your article and as you as you retold it, 1194 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:13,000 Speaker 1: the thing for me is, uh, I got a weird mind, obviously, 1195 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,680 Speaker 1: and I pictured like as you you know you're talent. 1196 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,680 Speaker 1: All these these places are still named after what they 1197 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,320 Speaker 1: are today. So like you're talking about like Jamaica Queens 1198 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,560 Speaker 1: and like the Guanas Bridge, and like, well the bridge 1199 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,840 Speaker 1: was there, but like Guanas and all these areas and 1200 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm picturing like you. Um, I would hope you've never 1201 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,600 Speaker 1: seen it and I haven't either, but uh, do you 1202 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,479 Speaker 1: know that there was the movie ab Lincoln Vampire Hunter? 1203 01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,280 Speaker 1: All right, well they made a movie about it, I 1204 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,080 Speaker 1: guess I assuming the premise was it was Able Lincoln 1205 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,200 Speaker 1: as a vampire hunter. Probably right. I'm picturing like a 1206 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,439 Speaker 1: movie like you take George Washington, like the Revolutionary War, 1207 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,680 Speaker 1: but you said it in like today's New York City, 1208 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,080 Speaker 1: so like these guys are setting up the battles and 1209 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,560 Speaker 1: like they're going up the East River and everybody's like 1210 01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,120 Speaker 1: looking at these buildings and they're just like what the 1211 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,640 Speaker 1: fund is going? As Like as I'm reading that, that's 1212 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,400 Speaker 1: what like that's my weird brain and work right now. 1213 01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,560 Speaker 1: But like that's like because you read like you in 1214 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,360 Speaker 1: well I'm not gonna give away, but some of the 1215 01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,160 Speaker 1: areas you mentioned, like Red Hooks, like they didn't they 1216 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 1: never rename these places, like these places are what their 1217 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,720 Speaker 1: names are. So like, as I'm reading your article, I'm 1218 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,320 Speaker 1: just pictured like you know, you're picturing like I don't 1219 01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:18,559 Speaker 1: know if you mean. I mean it's not in but 1220 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,439 Speaker 1: like if you mentioned Wall Street, like I don't picture 1221 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,200 Speaker 1: Wall Street is like the cobblestone like grass road that 1222 01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,679 Speaker 1: it was if you go downtown. I believe Stone Street 1223 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,320 Speaker 1: Street is still Stone and that's the oldest street in 1224 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,040 Speaker 1: New York City. You ever, um, I know you're a drinker. 1225 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,439 Speaker 1: You ever drink at the I believe it's called the 1226 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:40,720 Speaker 1: ear In It's it's like right, Um, it's actually down 1227 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,720 Speaker 1: by the CBS by like where w Fan is. Um, 1228 01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:49,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about Lincoln Center. Uh like soho um the 1229 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 1: house and stop on the one less than a block 1230 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,599 Speaker 1: from there. But it's They claim that it's the oldest 1231 01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,960 Speaker 1: bar in America. I don't. I don't Philly Philly lays 1232 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,519 Speaker 1: claimed to one too. I thought mc sorley's tries to 1233 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,760 Speaker 1: play that all. No, mcsorley's, what's their deal? Or maybe 1234 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,920 Speaker 1: it is mcsorley's and that's the discrepancy. But is this 1235 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,080 Speaker 1: good bar? I like, is that the light in the dark? 1236 01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:10,960 Speaker 1: I saw us on the floor. But yeah, that's a 1237 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,479 Speaker 1: fun bar. But the Earand claims they're the oldest bar. 1238 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,160 Speaker 1: And then like I don't want to say George Washington, 1239 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,120 Speaker 1: but somebody used to live like live above it during 1240 01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,759 Speaker 1: during the Revolutionary War, I don't think it was George Washington, 1241 01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,120 Speaker 1: because that's all that's a huge claim. But they have 1242 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,680 Speaker 1: all this like documentation about it. But it's like and 1243 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,760 Speaker 1: they've tried to preserve it as best. Obviously you got 1244 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,200 Speaker 1: to keep up somewhat. You should go there sometime after 1245 01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,439 Speaker 1: work after beer, we'll do Bruski. Get your buddy, Get 1246 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,800 Speaker 1: your buddy, Josh. Josh can drink, believe man. Just from 1247 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,920 Speaker 1: hearing him, it sounds he was like, when you get 1248 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,760 Speaker 1: your already got the paperwork for I'll have like a 1249 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,000 Speaker 1: couple of beers. Josh. He like the Jamison shots come out. 1250 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,960 Speaker 1: It's like, that's that's what kills me. That's it kills 1251 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,719 Speaker 1: because I never say no to him because peer pressure 1252 01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,280 Speaker 1: gets me every time. And that's why. And that's why 1253 01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,080 Speaker 1: he says, like, I don't think you remember the way 1254 01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,800 Speaker 1: back I had buddy wonder why Josh, Yeah, I had 1255 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,640 Speaker 1: buddies live in Hoboken And then you're saying like, I 1256 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,519 Speaker 1: don't know how to traverse the subway System'm like I 1257 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,639 Speaker 1: had the same because I would live in Woodland, which 1258 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: is like the upper east side of the Bronx. So 1259 01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,080 Speaker 1: to go from Hobokento to the to the end of 1260 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,800 Speaker 1: the Bronx like that. We had a we had a 1261 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,439 Speaker 1: Christmas party one year in the Bowery and uh, there's 1262 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,400 Speaker 1: there's this drink called the Tokey Highball. It's a Japanese drink. 1263 01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,200 Speaker 1: It's like an old man's drink. And I can't remember 1264 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,600 Speaker 1: what's in it. It's like club soda or something's a 1265 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,240 Speaker 1: specific kind of like seltzer and maybe there's like ginner 1266 01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,599 Speaker 1: in it or whisk I can't remember. But anyway, I 1267 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,599 Speaker 1: had like eight of them, and I have no fucking 1268 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,639 Speaker 1: clue how I got home. I don't remember anything after 1269 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,599 Speaker 1: six and I'm not totally familiar with that area downtown either, 1270 01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,479 Speaker 1: so like how I got on the subway, I really 1271 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,200 Speaker 1: don't know, which is crazy, Like I mean, obviously you 1272 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:47,800 Speaker 1: can handle your stuff, like I'm a big enough guy, 1273 01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,920 Speaker 1: but like there's there's been times I blacked out with 1274 01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,840 Speaker 1: like friends, like girl friends of mine, and I'm just 1275 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,519 Speaker 1: like the next day, I'm like like this, what are 1276 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,200 Speaker 1: we doing? This is you could have been in some 1277 01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:03,000 Speaker 1: serious danger, Like we have no idea where we are. Well, 1278 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, that's New York City for you. I only 1279 01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,960 Speaker 1: drink one day a week now on Saturdays. I was 1280 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,720 Speaker 1: gonna say, what day Saturday? Drunk on Saturdays. I'm like, uh, 1281 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:15,280 Speaker 1: like rust Coal and true Detective for fucking wasting my 1282 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,240 Speaker 1: start drinking at eleven. Don't funk this up for me? 1283 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,760 Speaker 1: Is it? Lone Star? Is that what you're drinking? No? No, 1284 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,080 Speaker 1: the sixty an ounce on the rings like this. Last Saturday, 1285 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:30,200 Speaker 1: I had a bunch of Narragansett. Um, are you a 1286 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:35,240 Speaker 1: shandy guy? I'm not. I'm not not traditionally. So my 1287 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,599 Speaker 1: my best friend opened his pool this weekend. Whole long 1288 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,240 Speaker 1: debate should have been opened already, but the pool company whatever. Um, 1289 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,160 Speaker 1: So he opened the pool this weekend. So we're all over. 1290 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,040 Speaker 1: So we were there. We did a Saturday and a Sunday, 1291 01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,800 Speaker 1: and my my one friend brings Narragansett, but he brings 1292 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,479 Speaker 1: narro against Shandy's normally. I'm not. I'm not a shandy 1293 01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,400 Speaker 1: guy by any stretch. I don't hate on him, but 1294 01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,880 Speaker 1: the two like sweet for me. These tasted just like 1295 01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,080 Speaker 1: Italian ice is like lemons, like to the point where 1296 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,840 Speaker 1: I was like, dude, Joe, this is good. He was 1297 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,160 Speaker 1: all right, No, he's like I only got a tolt 1298 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:09,080 Speaker 1: back and they were gone. Like immediately Narroganson's are very 1299 01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,320 Speaker 1: good beers. Um, so well now we're talking about beers. Uh. 1300 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:19,000 Speaker 1: So Happy Independence Day, U S A U S. Thank you, 1301 01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,679 Speaker 1: thank the founding fathers. Uh. Don't forget to don't whitewash 1302 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:27,240 Speaker 1: the history. We embraced the ugly on this podcast. Um, 1303 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,920 Speaker 1: if you don't like George Washington, you're a communist. Basically, 1304 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,200 Speaker 1: go listen to some other podcast. I don't want you 1305 01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,680 Speaker 1: here no more. Yeah. Look, you know if George was 1306 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,080 Speaker 1: here today, you know what he would do. The first 1307 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,880 Speaker 1: thing he was to do. He'd log onto Amazon. He 1308 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,080 Speaker 1: would buy Murphy's Law. That's the first thing that guy 1309 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,240 Speaker 1: would do. Uh. Secondly, he would take us down to 1310 01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,400 Speaker 1: the ear in and he would he would settle the 1311 01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,559 Speaker 1: debate if it was mcsorley's or the year in which 1312 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,240 Speaker 1: which beer was poured first. Thirdly, he would come on 1313 01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,040 Speaker 1: this podcast and he would talk about all the great 1314 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,400 Speaker 1: battles that he lost and explained to us how he 1315 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,680 Speaker 1: was able, how he was able to win the Revolutionary 1316 01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,439 Speaker 1: War being such a bad general, and it would open 1317 01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:11,200 Speaker 1: your guy's eyes. If anybody knows a well researched, well 1318 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,960 Speaker 1: written biography of George Washington right in, let me know 1319 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,080 Speaker 1: as I need to, I need to go a little 1320 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,040 Speaker 1: bit more in depth and read a book that's actually 1321 01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,880 Speaker 1: dedicated to words towards his life. All right, well that 1322 01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,160 Speaker 1: was the suggestion, so please do that, um right in anyway, 1323 01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,439 Speaker 1: leave us, leave us good reviews, leave five star reviews 1324 01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:33,400 Speaker 1: for for Jack's book Murphy's Law. By the way, Joe, 1325 01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,880 Speaker 1: really stealing my thunder the plug is my move, That's 1326 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,760 Speaker 1: that's my thing. I plugged the book, Joe. Um, but no, 1327 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,120 Speaker 1: we want to thank Joe. We want to thank your 1328 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,240 Speaker 1: friend Josh for coming on. Uh. I hope you guys 1329 01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:50,640 Speaker 1: have a safe and happy Fourth of July. Don't light fireworks. 1330 01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,600 Speaker 1: Light fireworks off properly with the with the right supervision. 1331 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,960 Speaker 1: Don't drink and drive. Oh definitely, Yeah, this is like 1332 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,200 Speaker 1: the worst weekend. Well, don't ever do it. Every weekend 1333 01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,680 Speaker 1: is the worst weekend. But don't shoot rockets out of 1334 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,080 Speaker 1: your ass. Don't do anything stupid. You ever played bottle 1335 01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:07,680 Speaker 1: rocket roulette with your friends? Oh? You know, it's one 1336 01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,519 Speaker 1: of the dumbest things I've ever Don't know. When I 1337 01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,840 Speaker 1: was in the army, me and you and my buddy Alex, uh, 1338 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,320 Speaker 1: we had a Roman candle fight that's called Bottle Rocket 1339 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,840 Speaker 1: Roman candle Fight that was basically playing Russian rooms eyes. 1340 01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:24,800 Speaker 1: It is one of the dumbest things you can do 1341 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,000 Speaker 1: as a friend group. Yes, so drink responsibly. There's ubers. 1342 01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,000 Speaker 1: There's a subway system. If you're in Hoboken, you can 1343 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,160 Speaker 1: find your way back. If you can't remember your way home, 1344 01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,400 Speaker 1: you can write it. You can write it and not 1345 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,240 Speaker 1: the same story. Um, but no, thank you to thank 1346 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,680 Speaker 1: you to Joe, thank you to Josh, Thank you to 1347 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,599 Speaker 1: you guys for listening. I hope your Fourth of July 1348 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,160 Speaker 1: is as patriotic as ours will be. Uh. We will 1349 01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:52,639 Speaker 1: see you episode four thirty four seventy two next week. 1350 01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,080 Speaker 1: Next week. Um, I'm gonna get some mad reads out 1351 01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,679 Speaker 1: of the way, so I hope you guys don't mind. 1352 01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,320 Speaker 1: Be sure to check out Create Club. It's a club 1353 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,840 Speaker 1: four men I men of Gear hand picked by Special 1354 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,360 Speaker 1: Operations veterans. 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