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We opened up the show 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: Gilbert Arenas was on the Dan Patrick Show, which you 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: can hear on many of these Fox Sports radio affiliates, 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: and he was speaking to Dan about what we'll remember 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: from this NBA Finals matchup, and he kind of discussed 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: these small markets, et cetera, et cetera, and our whole 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: point on it was, well, look, the NFL doesn't really 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: have these problems. It's its own ecosystem, its own universe. 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: So a small market like a Kansas City or a 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Green Bay, that's that's huge in the NFL. But you 34 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: know in the NBA there there clearly are people that 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: were unhappy with the matchup. Even though Game seven had 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: a monster that we discussed earlier sixteen million, I believe 37 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: it was still down from previous years, and some people 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: have pointed to the market size for that being the 39 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: reaction or that being the reason why and all of 40 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: this is happening. Then on top of that, you've got 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: Tyrese Haliburton going down with the injury. And there is 42 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: one team who might benefit from the injury, and it's 43 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: a team that was referenced in the market size and 44 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: the problem in the NBA earlier, and that would be 45 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Cavaliers So the Cleveland Cavaliers, who themselves have 46 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: been hit with the bad luck injury bug from multiple 47 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: playoffs in a row again this year, clearly not one 48 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: hundred percent. Clearly not one hundred percent last year in 49 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: the postseason, and the team that a lot of people 50 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: thought had the goods to be an NBA Finals team 51 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: this year, all of a sudden finds them in a 52 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: conference where Halliburton's going to be out for all of 53 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: next year because of the achilles, Jason Tatum's going to 54 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: be out for all of next year because of the achilles. 55 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: Damian Lillard's going to be out for all of next 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: year because of the achilles. 57 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 3: If those teams, our. 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 5: Holiday won't even be there next year because of nothing 59 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 5: other than he just won't be there. 60 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: But it's interesting how Cleveland's been on the short end 61 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: of the stick when it comes to injury luck. Yet 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: if they look around their own conference right now, that's 63 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: three teams potential threats to make a run at the finals, 64 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: and Cleveland's sitting there going well, we don't have those 65 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: long term injury concerns. We just hit a bad run 66 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: of injury luck in the postseason this year and last year. 67 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the Cavs are looking around as 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: the favorite to win the East and the only team 69 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: within proximity to them is the New York Knicks. And 70 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: it's the Knicks, so you could always just bank on 71 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: them screw it up at some point. Anyways, So Cleveland 72 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: looking around, going, do we just stumble upon a little 73 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: bit of injury luck of our own? And now that 74 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: that could potentially be another small market team getting to 75 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals based on what has happened to their 76 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: conference with all these superstars going down with the same injury. 77 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 5: That sucked a crazy qualifier. Just get ready for the 78 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 5: season and go out there, play and win, right. I Mean, 79 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 5: what you're saying is has some accuracy to it. 80 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 4: The East has. 81 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 5: Been considered to be the more, you know, the weaker 82 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 5: of the two, you know, out of the East and 83 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 5: the West conference. But I mean when you break it 84 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 5: down that way and you look at the you know, 85 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 5: like Yannis being unhappy, will he even be back? 86 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 4: You know? 87 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 5: And then you're looking at like you said with with Tatum, 88 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 5: and you're looking at what took place with Halliburton. I mean, man, 89 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 5: that's just that's hard to bounce back from. You know, 90 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 5: if you're a team and your franchise guy goes down 91 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 5: and he's not going to be around, sure you're gonna 92 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 5: look for guys. Maybe this is Jalen Brown's time to 93 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 5: separate himself, you know, and and maybe he claims the 94 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 5: title of being, you know, the franchise guy uncontested for 95 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 5: for the Boston Celtics. Maybe somebody steps up and they 96 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 5: do something that was unexpected on on one of these teams. 97 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 5: But you gotta think if it is the New York Knicks, 98 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 5: if it is the Cleveland Cleveland Cavaliers, who I believe 99 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 5: they just find a way to come up short. 100 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: Because this was, to me. 101 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: I felt like the perfect year for them to be 102 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 5: able to actually compete and contend for for the title, 103 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 5: and it just didn't. 104 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 4: It didn't unfold that way. 105 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 5: But going in the next year, some of these teams 106 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 5: are already crippled by injury. Go figure, you're not even 107 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 5: in the new season. Crazy, you have to say they're 108 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 5: already crippled by injuries. This is where coaching comes into play, right, Like, 109 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 5: let's be clear, this is where GM work comes into 110 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 5: play and scouting reports come into play. You got to 111 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 5: be able to bring in the type of personnel where 112 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 5: you don't fall that far off that the drop off 113 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 5: is is minimum until that that star gets back. That's 114 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 5: doing your job, you know, figuring out how how to 115 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 5: call a game like this was a tremendous miss by 116 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 5: Carlisle in the Championship round, a tremendous miss because it 117 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 5: was going to take coaching to get it to that 118 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 5: Game seven, which it did, But then it was going 119 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 5: to take coaching to win game seven with or without Haliburton, 120 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 5: with or without him, that. 121 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 4: Is the coach, right, Carlisle, Yeah, Rick Carlisle. 122 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I just I just that's to me, 123 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 5: that's how I feel about it. Jonas. So when you 124 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 5: think about it, these teams that have those holes that 125 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 5: they have to feel you at least have a whole 126 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 5: entire offseason to dress it and set the tone for 127 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 5: what that's going to look like. Not having those guys 128 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 5: right away or even for the entirety of. 129 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: The season, there's nothing worse as a fan because like 130 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: if you have if like say, your your NFL team 131 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: loses their star player in training camp for the rest 132 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: of the year or a significant amount of time, or 133 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: even last year when the Lions lost Aiden Hutchinson early 134 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: in the year. It was like, well, if they get 135 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, he might come back. It's like, no, 136 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: he's done for the year. It's over. Like he's just 137 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: not coming back. Immediately before the season even really gets going, 138 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: or before the season even starts, your team is most 139 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: likely out. 140 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: Like with that, like the seasons not even here. 141 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: To your point, we're not even at the draft yet 142 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: in the NBA, and you know for a pretty good 143 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: certainty that the Celtics, the Bucks, and the Pacers are 144 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: more than likely not going to the finals next year. 145 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: It's just like, we're not even we're not even out 146 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: of June, and you know what next year is going 147 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: to look like. 148 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 4: Well, look at it like this. 149 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 5: If those injuries made you temper your expectations that far, 150 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 5: you doubt them back that far. Then to me, for one, 151 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 5: you weren't that good of a team. For one, you're 152 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 5: not that well built, even though one player can make 153 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 5: the difference in basketball, but I just don't think your 154 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 5: team is built as good as you thought it was. 155 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 5: If a guy goes down, even if it's your main guy, 156 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 5: and you can't still be competitive, that's one. But for two, 157 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 5: if it does take your fan base down that far 158 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 5: based upon that main player's injury, then you only have 159 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 5: up to. 160 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 4: Go from rock bottom. 161 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 5: Well, I can't. You can't underperform. You're going to outperform 162 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 5: the expectations anyway. So that's not a bad way to 163 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 5: go into the season if your team. 164 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: I wonder how Eagles fans were when Carson Wentz got 165 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: injured and was out for the year, because that was 166 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: a super Bowl caliber team. Carson Wentz was most likely 167 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: the MVP of the NFL that year. He was playing fantastic. 168 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: It was late in the year and he blows out 169 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: his knee trying to scramble to get into the end 170 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: zone against the Rams, and I wonder afterwards, when it 171 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: comes out in real time, blew his knee out, done 172 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: for the year. I wonder how many Eagles fans actually thought, 173 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: now we've still got a chance to win it all. 174 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: Now we've still got a chance, We've got Nick Foles, 175 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: we got an opportunity, we can go win a Super Bowl. 176 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: Still like that deflated everybody. And in the NBA, it 177 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: feels like you go through an injury like that, and 178 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: maybe it's because of the percentage of your darting five. 179 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: You lose a Halliburton, that's twenty percent of your starting five. 180 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: That's a big impact. But in the NFL, you know, 181 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: we've seen Jeff Hostetler back in the day when Phil 182 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: Simms got injured, Jeff Hostetler and the Giants went on 183 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: to win. 184 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: A Super Bowl. 185 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: We've seen the Eagles. You know, Carson Wentz goes down, 186 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: Nick Foles steps up and wins a Super Bowl. It 187 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: doesn't happen a lot, but it seems like in the 188 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: NBA when that happens, that's a wrap to where in 189 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: the NFL you just have to get creative and find 190 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: new ways to try and win games. 191 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 5: It just can't be. It has to be the same way. 192 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 5: It has to be the same approach, whether you like 193 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 5: it or not, whether it hasn't happened or not yet, 194 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 5: it still has to be the same approach. It's always 195 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 5: got to be the next man up. It's always I 196 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 5: wonder if they used the term in basketball, like, oh, 197 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 5: you know, there it is Haliburton went down, riversad. You know, oh, 198 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 5: there goes Tatum, riversad. 199 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 4: Move it down of the court. 200 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: It's not I mean, listen, I'll give the Pacers credit. 201 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: They played well in the second quarter. They had the 202 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: lead at halftime, and they were Somebody on the broadcast 203 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, the Pacers were walking into the locker 204 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: room at halftime. They're like, we can do this, we 205 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: can do this. And then the second half started and 206 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: it was like, oh no, there's just a quick reminder 207 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: that's not that. 208 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 5: But again, that quick reminder should be prefaced by saying, 209 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 5: how horribly did they play in the third quarter? That 210 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 5: wasn't a and listen, a lot of it has to 211 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 5: do with the way okay see plays defense, I get it, 212 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 5: but a lot of that was just sloppy play man. 213 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 5: It was sloppy play. 214 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: Ali war and then just somebody yelled you imagine somebody 215 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: just yelling or riverside. 216 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 4: Dang, dang. 217 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 5: I mean, it would have made sense in that in 218 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 5: that moment, in that moment, just because you're in the 219 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 5: final game of the championship round, you better be in 220 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 5: riverside mode, like a mother love. 221 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: Could you could you please just for the for the 222 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: new listeners, explain the riverside. 223 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 5: The riverside is a term that football coaches us when 224 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 5: a guy crumbles in a heap of pain, so if 225 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 5: they go down to any type of injury during practice, right, 226 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 5: you'll have you'll have. 227 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 4: You You'll probably have a unit and. 228 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 5: In a practice squad that are together, or you may 229 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 5: be going through yeah, you might be going through like 230 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 5: teen period or something to that effect. Right, depending on 231 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 5: how serious the injury is, they'll hit you with like 232 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 5: a guy gets hit boom, he gets knocked out, he 233 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 5: goes down to the ground. 234 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 4: If if the if at any point. 235 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 5: The training staff comes out onto the field and the 236 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 5: guy doesn't come off the field, you'll hear the coaches 237 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 5: say riverside. And all that means is is you move 238 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 5: what you're doing in front of in front of that 239 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 5: player that's down on the ground that's hurt, and then 240 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 5: you start going the opposite direction. There's been times where 241 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 5: if the seriousness in nature of the injury, it's not 242 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 5: a riverside, it's a. 243 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: Switch field, switch fields, other field. 244 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 5: And then everybody walks over to the other field, you know, 245 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 5: the other field. But if it ain't that bad, if 246 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 5: it's not perceivably that bad, they hit you with a riverside, 247 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 5: and basically they just put the the you know the 248 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 5: practice they put it. You know you're behind it. The 249 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 5: injured player is behind the practice. 250 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 3: Now, so it's just turned around. 251 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: So it's the equivalent to, you know, a horse coming 252 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: up lame in a race and they just bring up 253 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 1: the white tent and call to day. 254 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 5: It would be like the equivalent of a horse going 255 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 5: down and eating the white tent and and them saying, 256 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 5: all right, change lanes. 257 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: You know, he run in the other direction, Just run 258 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: just just it's started over. 259 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, just run in a different lane. That's all. 260 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 5: That's his that's his lane, you know. Let let you know, 261 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 5: just run in a different lane again. 262 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: Just guy, guys, run it back the other way. I 263 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: will have man here by the time you we return. 264 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 4: There you go. 265 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 3: It's just the whole, the whole. It's one of my. 266 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, here's a better one that that one I gave 267 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 5: wasn't good. Here's a better one. If the horse goes down, 268 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 5: they for the next race. They just move the They 269 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 5: moved the starting gates in front of the horse that 270 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 5: went down. 271 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 4: It turned riverside. 272 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: It turns into an equestrian race. 273 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: They just make the horse's corpse a jumping a platform 274 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: to jump over if you can get They. 275 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 5: Take the release gates and and flip them around so 276 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 5: that the horse that went down is behind the starting gates. 277 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 5: That's that's the that's the equivalent of Riverside. 278 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: It's just, you know, like the idea. 279 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: There's a teammate down on the ground, there's no prayer candles, 280 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: there's no there's no prayer circle, there's no candles lit, 281 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: there's no everybody get on the knee and just no, no, 282 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: no, no, no riverside. 283 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 5: Although the one year with Marty when when dude dude 284 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 5: broke his arm. 285 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 4: And and and uh was it his arm or his leg? 286 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 5: He broke something and he went down and coach shot 287 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 5: Daber goes. 288 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 4: I heard everybody bring it in. We're gonna pray you heard. 289 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 5: I always tell the story because it's the funniest story 290 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 5: to be you hear something out of the blue is 291 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 5: Bruce Smith. Bruce goes, pray, pray for what pray somebo 292 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 5: that's mad and that's going on around here. 293 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: That was that training camp and he just hadet everybody hitting. 294 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 5: He made Bruce Smith at his age do Oklahoma drill 295 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 5: and Bruce Bruce did it. Bruce not only did it, 296 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 5: but he won and then he fell out. He made 297 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 5: the play, got off the block, made the tackle and 298 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 5: then just dropped and grabbed his shoulder and didn't play. 299 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 5: Not one more down, not one more practice, not one 300 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 5: more rep the rest of that training cat. But he 301 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 5: won legitimately and legitimately, and I didn't ask. I didn't look. 302 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 5: I didn't ask Riverside. It was all about survival, Bro, 303 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 5: this was Marty. I had to go to the hospital 304 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 5: for for heat exhaustion. I couldn't see any color. 305 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 4: I lost. 306 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 5: I lost basically the ability to see color. I was 307 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 5: so dehydrated during that trading cat. These cats be talking 308 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 5: about how they got it these days. I went through 309 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 5: a Marty Marty training camp, Bro, that ass was wild. 310 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: And sure, can you give us a urine sample? Looks 311 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: like honey. 312 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 5: That was the same year Corey Stringer had had passed away. Yeah, 313 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 5: from a heat heat exhaustion. It was like one hundred 314 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 5: some degrees and we were doing two days, and I 315 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 5: just remember I was out that bad boy gigging like 316 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 5: that might have been my best seasons as a pro. 317 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 4: Anyway. 318 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 5: I was out there, man, and I was just going 319 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 5: in every play, every play, challenge yourself, every play. 320 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 4: Let's go, let's go, let's get it. Every place let's 321 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 4: get it. Let's get it. And the next. 322 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 5: Practice, like I was looking around and I'm like, why 323 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 5: can't I see color? 324 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 4: I can't. Then I started panicking, like am I dying? 325 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 4: Like is something wrong? Like something's wrong. 326 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 3: I was like, Dan, come get me. 327 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 5: They rushed me to the hospital and like you can't 328 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 5: see any color. 329 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 4: They took my they took my levels. 330 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 5: They're like, yeah, get us four bags. They the four 331 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 5: bags of ivy fluid in me and put me on ice. 332 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 5: They literally put my body on ice and got me 333 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 5: four bags of. 334 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 4: Fluid. 335 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 5: And then I was back. I was back, ready to go. 336 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 5: But man, I was I was up out for like 337 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 5: two seconds there. I thought I was up out of there. 338 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 4: Man. 339 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: So you couldn't see color, so anybody could be anything 340 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: at that. 341 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 5: So so basically I would have lived in the perfect world, 342 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 5: like I ain't got to call nobody blacks or white 343 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 5: or Asians or Hispanics, like it would have just been 344 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 5: all love. 345 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: Like, hey, y'all looked the same. You thought Patrick saw 346 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: no color. You thought Patrick Ramsey was Doug Williams. 347 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 5: Dang, you had to be a dark mother lover for it. 348 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 5: On my black but great scale. You had to be 349 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 5: dark as hell. 350 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 4: You just look the same to me. 351 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: Oh my god, what hydrated? 352 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 4: You could see your jersey color? Nothing, It's just all 353 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 4: the same color. 354 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 6: Man. 355 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 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Pete 364 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: Prisco is here, but this is a special event because 365 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: Pete put together a list and his list has gotten 366 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: a lot of heat. So we are going to hear 367 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: from the Great Pete Prisco. 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Right now though, because it 388 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: is a Tuesday and it is a Tuesday tradition, we 389 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: welcome in Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports, 390 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: CBS Sports HQ analyst, our smooth operator, and if you 391 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: want that smoke, you can find him on x at 392 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: Prisco CBS Peak. 393 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 6: Good morning, what's up, guys, how are you? 394 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: We are good? 395 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: We are taking a peek at your top one hundred 396 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: players of twenty twenty five. I know you do this yearly, 397 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: and I'm curious what has gotten you the biggest blowback 398 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: from people who have taken a look at your list 399 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: since you dropped this last week. 400 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 6: You know, it's funny. I really haven't had a lot 401 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 6: of blowbacks. I means it must be a pretty done 402 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 6: good list. 403 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: I patrick Mahomes number one based on the year he 404 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: had people. 405 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 6: Yeah, I got pushed back from from some of my 406 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 6: guys in my office on that, and like I when 407 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 6: we did some hits and stuff for HQ and and 408 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 6: the Sports Network, and some of the things that they 409 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 6: said were he didn't play as well as numbers weren't 410 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 6: as good, And I said, my counter is always is this. 411 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 6: If you put the entire pool of players in the 412 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 6: NFL into into a pot and said, go ahead, take 413 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 6: the best player right now, how many teams would take 414 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes every one of them, so he's the best player. 415 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 4: I don't know that would be every every one of them? 416 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 6: Well, who wouldn't LeVar. 417 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 5: It just depends on who's in that in that that 418 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 5: cup to pool from that hat to pool from I mean, 419 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 5: there may be Josh Allen, there may be a Josh 420 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 5: Allen fan. There there may be a Lamar Jackson fan. 421 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 5: I mean, some would say Lamar Jackson and has had 422 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 5: the more brilliant career over the last two three years. 423 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 5: Then Patrick Mahomes. Even though Patrick Mahomes has made those those. 424 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 6: Entries, he must be sitting at home polishing. Is Lombardi 425 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 6: Trophy then I guess yeah. 426 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 5: But again I would have to say a Lombardi Trophy 427 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 5: is not an individual award, and so that goes against 428 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 5: the that goes against the. 429 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 4: Logic of ius. 430 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 6: But he's also he's also put up amazing numbers in 431 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 6: his career and he's been the best player in the league. 432 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 6: Come on, you would you would take if you had 433 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 6: you're the general manager of a team Y for this 434 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 6: week and you get to pick between Mahomes and Lamar, 435 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 6: You're taking Lamar. 436 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 5: I'm not saying I would. I'm just saying conventional wisdom, 437 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 5: there would be some people that would find other players 438 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 5: more attractive to take, and it wouldn't be any further 439 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 5: than that position. It may be Josh Allen, it may 440 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 5: be Lamar And in reality and probably would be Joe Burrow. Now, 441 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 5: if you said I had to choose between Joe Burrow 442 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 5: and Patrick Mahomes. There's a strong chance I may say 443 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 5: today because it's not you know, and with all due respect, 444 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 5: because he is he is one of the greats. He's 445 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 5: already one of the goats. Speaking of Patrick Mahomes. But Pete, 446 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 5: if I'm looking at today and I'm basing it off 447 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 5: of where we're looking at ceilings and trajectories of today, 448 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 5: I might look. 449 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 4: At at I might look at at. 450 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 5: My guy in Cincinnati and say I want Joe Burrow 451 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 5: versus anybody else, Jess, And that's not saying he's in Cincinnati. 452 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 5: That's saying if I'm starting a team in a franchise, 453 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 5: I might want to start it with Joe Burrow. 454 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 4: That's what I would be thinking. But again, it's just 455 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 4: based off of today. 456 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 6: Joe Burrow is your first pick. 457 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he would be quarterback. 458 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 6: But he's not Patrick Mahomes. And we know that Josh 459 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 6: that was a great quarterback. He's not Patrick Mahomes. And 460 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson's a great quarterback and he's not Patrick Mahomes. 461 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 6: There's a difference. And we see this year, by the way, 462 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 6: and you'll see it this year, by the way. Now 463 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 6: that they got some speedback outside. They fixed the offensive line. 464 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 6: You'll see a different Patrick Mahomes again. You'll see the 465 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 6: old Patrick Mahomes again. This year. 466 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 5: You're stamping that Garret stamping that to me again. Now, 467 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 5: if you're basing it off of that logic, I have 468 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 5: no problem with what you're saying, and I would be 469 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 5: more I would be more towards saying that your debate 470 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 5: point is correct. I'm just saying based off of what 471 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 5: I've seen this year going into next season, if you 472 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 5: were to say who is the player you would start 473 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 5: your franchise with, there might be two or three players, 474 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 5: and it will those names and circulation that I would 475 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 5: say to me. 476 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 4: I'm the MVP. 477 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 5: The MVPs of Kansas City are the coaches, not the players. 478 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 5: I'm sorry it wasn't Patrick Mahomes this year with Spagnola 479 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 5: and Andy Reid. 480 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 6: Oh my god. Okay, Look he didn't put up great. 481 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 6: He's still the m v P of the team, and 482 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 6: he's still the MVP. He's still the best player in 483 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 6: the VP of the league. Because Allen earned the m 484 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 6: v P last year and I'm not going to take 485 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 6: it away from him. And I've been one of them. 486 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 4: Who was he who was he in competition with to 487 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 4: get it? 488 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson. But that's that's a whole nother story. That's 489 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 6: a whole nother. 490 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 4: Why why that's the m v P of the league? 491 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 3: Well, Pete, let me, I'm sorry, go ahead, because. 492 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 6: Look, the m v P of the league doesn't mean 493 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 6: that you're the you're the best player in the league. 494 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's what most Valuable Player means. 495 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 6: No, that's not what it means because because here's why, 496 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 6: you could have the best player in the league and 497 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 6: not be the m v P because you're not a quarterback. 498 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 6: We've seen that play out, haven't we over the course 499 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 6: of history. It's happened. 500 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 5: It's a wonderful rebuttal because everyone will agree with you, 501 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 5: that's the heisman, and that's the league MVP. They don't 502 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 5: give it to the best player. They give it to 503 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 5: the quarterback. It's a it's a wonderful rebuttal, But nonetheless, 504 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 5: it's still to the general public, in layman's terms, the 505 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 5: best player in the National Football League that gets the 506 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 5: MVP award, Yes or. 507 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 6: No, no, Because Matt Mahomes is the best player in 508 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 6: the NFL and Josh Allen's Josh Allen earned the MVP 509 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 6: last year. Look you would take Look. I love Josh 510 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 6: all I've been on him since the beginning when he 511 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 6: came out of Wyoming. It was one of the few 512 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 6: that actually thought he would be good. And early in 513 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 6: his career he was one of the few who actually 514 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 6: kept pounding the pavement that he will be good. And 515 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 6: you know what, he's been great. And I love Josh Allen, 516 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 6: But Patrick Mahomes is a better quarterback. 517 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, we 518 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: are taking a peek at his top one hundred players 519 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five here courtesy of cbssports dot Com. So, Pete, 520 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm curious. Saquon Barkley is third on your list. So 521 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: goes Patrick Mahomes, Miles Garrett, Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley wasn't 522 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: even in the top one hundred a year ago. So 523 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: a year ago you didn't think Saquon Barkley was one 524 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: of the top one hundred players in the league. 525 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 6: They have was three point eight per rush the year before. 526 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 6: That's not a top one hundred player. And so, okay, 527 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 6: he gets to a new system, he's got the best 528 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 6: offensive line. He's got the top two, in fact, the 529 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 6: top two offensive lineman on my list of the two 530 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 6: tackles on the Eagles. He averages more per carry than 531 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 6: anybody in the league before he's touched, and he puts 532 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 6: up a great season and he's earned his way onto 533 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 6: that list at the number three spot. The year before, 534 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 6: bad situation, but he didn't play that well. He had 535 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 6: three point eight per rush. So okay, you can blame 536 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 6: the Giants and the offensive line, but that's not going 537 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 6: to earn you a spot. So that's why he's at 538 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 6: number three this year. And by the way, it pains 539 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 6: me to put a running back to that high, but I do. 540 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: I mean, what about Aiden Hutchinson at fifteen when he 541 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: only played up until Week six. 542 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's not based on just what you did. 543 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 6: This last year is going to be he's going to 544 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 6: be healthy, he's going to be back on the field. 545 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 6: He's going to be a disruptor again. So that's kind 546 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 6: of where it is. And by the way, when he 547 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 6: did get hurt, he was leading the league in facts 548 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 6: he got hurt, and so you saw the difference in 549 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 6: that team when he wasn't in there. So that's why 550 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 6: he got to take into account a lot of where 551 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 6: people are going from their injury issues, where they might be. 552 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 6: And I'll give you another example, Trent Wade. I had 553 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 6: a tough time with Trent Williams. And Trent Williams has 554 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 6: traditionally been a top ten player on this list the 555 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 6: last couple of years. But I dropped him down in 556 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 6: large part because when he did play, he wasn't as 557 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 6: good and he didn't play and now he's coming up 558 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 6: another of the injury and a is starting to become 559 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 6: a factor with him. Age isn't a factor with Aiden Hutchinson. 560 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 6: It's a factor with a guy like Trent Williams. So 561 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 6: that's why he dropped out a little bit. 562 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 5: I found that to be interesting because where was Patrick 563 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 5: Mahomes in the passing ratings or passing yards. 564 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 4: Statistically last season? 565 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 6: This past season, well, I mean you got to look 566 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 6: at the numbers. It wasn't great. He didn't throw a 567 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 6: lot of touchdown passes. 568 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 5: He did throw a lot of Are you using stats 569 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 5: against Sakwon Berkley? 570 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 6: Did you go back and go back and watch Tae 571 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 6: Kwon Barkley from two years ago and you tell me 572 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 6: how good. 573 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 4: He was. He's really good. He was really good. 574 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: He was just a really really bad situation. 575 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 6: He wasn't really good two years ago. 576 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 5: He was in a he got injured for one, but 577 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 5: he was in a really bad situation. I mean, everybody 578 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 5: knew stop Sakwon Barkley and you stopped the New York 579 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 5: Giants period. 580 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 4: Everybody knew that. 581 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 5: So it wasn't the necessary fact that he wasn't great. 582 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 5: It was the fact that that he wasn't in a 583 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 5: great situation that led to him not getting the best 584 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 5: of opportunities to get yardage. 585 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 4: Pete the talent that were still there. 586 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 6: But when a guy averages three point eight per rush, 587 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 6: it's not very good. That's terrible. As a matter of. 588 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 5: Fact, if I take him and I put him on 589 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 5: a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, which I'm building my team, 590 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 5: and I say I get to pick and I can choose, 591 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 5: I'm taking Saquon Barkley because of what he can do, 592 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 5: even though I knew he was getting three points some 593 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 5: yards a carry with this team. That's not my team. 594 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 5: I'm looking at the talent, don't you. You have to look 595 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 5: at the talent versus looking at at the stats. 596 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 4: If this is your hundred, your hundreds list. 597 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, well he was talent wise, he wasn't the top 598 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 6: one hundred player two years ago. He was last year, 599 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 6: all right, Pete. 600 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: So one of the things that you did point out, 601 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: we're talking with Pete Prisco here. You can go on 602 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: to cbssports dot com and you can check out Pete's 603 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: top one hundred players for twenty twenty five because there's 604 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: a lot of interesting decisions here. An interesting comment you 605 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: made at the top of the article, though, is that 606 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: you said, one thing is clear, there isn't a lot 607 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: of star power in the league right now. 608 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: So where do you is this recent? 609 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: Is this just within the past couple of years? Is 610 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: this since Brady retired? Like what about the NFL? Do 611 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: you think lacks star power considering Lamar, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow. 612 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: Is it just so quarterback heavy that there aren't stars 613 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: at other positions? 614 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 6: Well, it's not just that, I think, and I you know, look, 615 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 6: there's four quarterbacks in the top ten. So the quarterbacks 616 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 6: are still stars, those four particularly, and there's a possibility 617 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 6: for more with a guy like Jayden Daniels. But you 618 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 6: drop it down and go into the twenty and this 619 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 6: is what I made the point about me it was 620 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 6: a twenty to sixty. You could interchange those guys and 621 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 6: take player number fifty and move him to player number 622 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 6: twenty three, and you wouldn't have much difference, and you 623 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 6: wouldn't have much of an argument. And that's essentially the point. 624 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 6: It used to be you'd have twenty five tried and 625 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 6: true stars, and now that's not the case. And for 626 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 6: variety of reasons. Don't get me wrong. You know, injury 627 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,479 Speaker 6: is an issue as well, and age has become an 628 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 6: issue as well. But we're gonna start seeing and I 629 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 6: think next year when I do the list, you're gonna 630 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 6: see different stars. Jade and Daniels will be a Star 631 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 6: of Stars and he will move up into this list. 632 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 6: I don't have any doubt about that. I know people 633 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 6: will point to C. J. Stroud. I don't see that 634 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 6: happening with Jade Daniels. I think Brian Thomas Junior is 635 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 6: a guy that's going to go into that Star Stars 636 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 6: list year. He's going to be one of the elite 637 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 6: receivers in the league and he's going to go way up. 638 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 6: So you're going to see that change a little bit. 639 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 6: But right now for this time twenty through sixties, they're 640 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 6: all about the same. You can interchange them. For example, 641 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 6: go in and pick fifty one out fifty one, number five, 642 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 6: I don't even know who it is on the list. 643 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: Fifty one on Pete's list is Quinn from the Denver 644 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,239 Speaker 1: Bronx miner Qrin miner. Yeah, the center who's it all pro? 645 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 6: By the way, Yeah, take twenty eight out and put 646 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 6: him in and see what that would be. 647 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: All right, so you take out Quinn, you put in 648 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: number twenty eight would be Max Crosby. 649 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 6: Okay, so look Max Crosby. 650 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 4: That's star power. That's star power. 651 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 6: But he wasn't star power last year because he was 652 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 6: hurt and he didn't play as well when he was 653 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 6: on the field. And I love Max Crosby. I think 654 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 6: he's one of those guys, you know, he beats himself 655 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 6: to beats his body up. He plays too many plays, 656 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 6: but and kudos to him for doing it. I mean 657 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 6: he's one of the few guys that plays every play 658 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 6: in a game for a defense, which you know that's 659 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 6: incredible in this era. But yeah, Max Crosby has star power, 660 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 6: but he wasn't a star last year. 661 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 5: All I'm saying is is when you say a league 662 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 5: that is void of star power, that doesn't necessarily mean 663 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 5: that they're they're the best ever or the greatest football 664 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 5: player ever. That's two different conversations. Wouldn't you say it's 665 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 5: two differentiations? 666 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 6: Oh? Absolutely? I mean, I. 667 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 5: Mean ob J was star power for quite some time 668 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 5: and wasn't the top receiver in the league for a 669 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 5: few of them years where he was still you know, 670 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 5: leveraging star power. 671 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 4: I mean, there's some of these guys. 672 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 6: Jalen Ramsey has star power, and. 673 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 4: He's got star power. 674 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 6: Yes, he does not a star He's not a star player. 675 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 6: He's not star power. 676 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 5: It's potential. It has been seen before. It has come 677 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 5: to fruition at times. I just think you have hard 678 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 5: feelings with him, the way things happened in jackson while 679 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 5: you're taking the stata Jalen Ramsey is. 680 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 4: The truth of the matter. 681 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 6: I could give a rats ass about what I do. 682 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 4: Where rats ass come from? A bout that? 683 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 6: Right? 684 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 4: What's the infatuation with the rats ass? I don't know. 685 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 6: By the way, all I can tell you is he 686 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 6: wore as welcome to Jacksonville. He Warren as welcome to 687 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 6: the rams and he wore I was welcome in Miami. 688 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 6: So you go ahead and hey, if. 689 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 3: There's a problem, pete out of curiosity. 690 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: So when you mentioned you know a guy like Quinn Miners, 691 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: who is you know, sitting at you know, fifty one 692 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: on your list? How do you go about ranking offensive linemen? 693 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: Is this just watching film? Because there's no real statistical 694 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: category you can use with a lineman. So is this 695 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: just all based on watching film? 696 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 6: Yes? Absolutely, And by the way, I mean, I go 697 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 6: back and they're a stats that say, okay, give up 698 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 6: x amount of sacks, but you also got to take 699 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 6: into account how the sacks are given up. And you know, 700 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 6: like there are guys you say, okay, give up five 701 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 6: sacks last year and then you see, okay, well the 702 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 6: quarterback held the ball for half an hour in the 703 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 6: sack that you know, the guy eventually got home and 704 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 6: wanted to beat the beat the tackle that's not on 705 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,959 Speaker 6: the tackle that's on the quarterback. Or there's a loop 706 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 6: and a stunt and the back doesn't do his part 707 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 6: and somebody blames the offensive tackle for it. So you 708 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 6: got to go back and watch the tape. You gotta 709 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 6: you gotta go about and look during the season, I 710 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 6: watched the games. I go back and from after the draft, 711 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 6: from the time the draft is over until the time 712 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 6: I put that list out, I go back and re evaluate. 713 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 6: I move guys all around. I talk to guys in 714 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 6: the league and kind of run it by them and 715 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 6: see if they agree with me. And by the way, 716 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 6: I didn't have usually well, I don't like I mean 717 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 6: guys that actually know about football, LaVar. 718 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 4: That's that's why I don't. I don't like your list. 719 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 6: Okay, but the time, I can tell you this, I've 720 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 6: gotten a lot of pushback over the years on the 721 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 6: top ten. I got none this year, none, not one bit. 722 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 6: Nobody said somebody else should be in that list. It 723 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 6: was the first time in a long time where the 724 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 6: top ten was a clear top ten. I think. 725 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 3: You added a running back into your top ten. And 726 00:35:58,840 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 3: that's what happened. 727 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 4: Knew who to call Jonas. That's yeah, I get that pushback. 728 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 4: He knew who to call to get what he wanted. 729 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 6: It pains me. It's paid. Okay, you tell me who 730 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 6: shouldn't be in the top ten. 731 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 3: We're out of time. 732 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 4: We're out of time. You know what, you know what 733 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 4: we're going to have to do. 734 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 5: We're going to have to continue the conversation. We're we're 735 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 5: out of time. Sa Kwon Barkley definitely belongs there. 736 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 6: Though, yeah he does. He does belong there and he 737 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 6: is there. By the way, if you had more time, 738 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 6: you'd be taking a deeper hole before. 739 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 5: I don't dig holes that you crow barred that in there. 740 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 5: You got me with it once before. You won't get 741 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 5: me today. 742 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 6: You know. 743 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 5: First time, shame on you, Second time, shame on me. 744 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 5: I will not I will not be going into that hole. 745 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: Pete Pete, dy to my list as always. We appreciate it. 746 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: Let's do it again next Tuesday. 747 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 6: You gotta take care of guys there. 748 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: He is the great Pete Prisco, senior NFL columnist for 749 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: CBS Sports. CBS Sports Huh at Prisco CBS is where 750 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: you can find him on x and you can go 751 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: check out his top one hundred list of twenty twenty five. 752 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: Pete Pete Pete is fun because whatever you say to 753 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: him on social media, it's usually quick to the point, 754 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: and he exposes you in front of his audience, like 755 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: he will quote retweet it and then he'll call you 756 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: out and either block you or just move on with this. 757 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 4: You love doing that too, so I get why you like. 758 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: That's so funny, man, It is two pros and a 759 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: couple of Joe. 760 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 4: Don't like get in troubled man. 761 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 5: It ain't fun when the rabbit got the gun man, 762 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 5: It really isn't. 763 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: I love Peteza got such a red ass and just 764 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: owns it. He's proud of it, you know, just the 765 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: way he operates. He is the smooth operator. 766 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 4: All right. 767 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,399 Speaker 1: So coming up, we are going to close up shop 768 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 1: here on this Tuesday with another edition of League's Leftovers 769 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,720 Speaker 1: right here on FSR. 770 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 771 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 2: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and 772 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 2: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific. 773 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 3: Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio. 774 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: Well, if our Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here, We're 775 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: going to be back on the air tomorrow six am 776 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: Eastern time, three o'clock Pacific. It's a Wednesday, so we'll 777 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: have our midweek Awards. The old p Petros Popadacas will 778 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: stop by. All of that will be yours here coming 779 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 1: up tomorrow morning on the show, another edition of Black 780 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: and Drack here on a Wednesday morning, before we close 781 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: up shop till with Lee's leftovers. A reminder that right 782 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: after this show, the podcast will be going up, so 783 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: if you've missed any of it, be sure to listen 784 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: to the pod. Search two Pros wherever you get your podcast. 785 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow and review the podcast and rated 786 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: five stars. Again, just search two Pros wherever gets your podcast. 787 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: You'll find today's showing the best of version posted right 788 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: after we get off the air. 789 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 3: These might smell a little funk. 790 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 6: How does that sounds incredible? 791 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 3: But they're still. 792 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 2: Good time to find out what's left. It's Lee's laft jobs. 793 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 3: All right, d lap, what do we got? All right? 794 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 2: Guys? 795 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 8: You guys had asked the origins for not giving a 796 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 8: rats ass. I did a little deep dive here. It 797 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 8: could possibly be coming from Mark Twain's connection when he 798 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 8: used the phrase don't give a dead rat in his 799 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 8: uh eighteen eighty four novel The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, 800 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 8: but it also could go all the way back to 801 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 8: the medieval plague rat. You say again, yeah, don't give 802 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 8: a dead rat, which was in Huckleberry Finn, but most 803 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 8: likely came from the medieval times when you were able 804 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 8: to catch rats and turn them in, and they thought 805 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 8: that only the hind quarters were needed in order to 806 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 8: stop the the uh, the spread of the virus, the plague. Yes, 807 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 8: of course, but then once the rats had become so 808 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 8: big in numbers those they stopped paying for it. So 809 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 8: then it became hence the phrase not worth a rats act. 810 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 8: So you could get paid if you brought in a 811 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 8: rat back in the day. Back in the day, what 812 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 8: would they put? What would you get? 813 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 6: Like? 814 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 3: What were we talking about? Let's see medieval coinage. 815 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 4: There you go, two shillings. 816 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 3: What is that? What is that? A quay to nowadays 817 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 3: is like five bucks? 818 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, get yourself a loaf of bread there, Yeah, 819 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: five bucks a rat. That means your apartment complex is 820 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 1: probably worth too. 821 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 4: Grandly out here should be getting paid. Oh my god, 822 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 4: I got a ton of rats. 823 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're sitting on a gold mine. They don't even know. 824 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 4: Us forget recycling wid them rats. 825 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, there's plastic, there's aluminum, there's rat dan fill 826 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: up rats ass. 827 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 4: What we guys. 828 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 8: I'm looking for a new relief pitcher for my fantasy football, 829 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 8: Fantasy baseball team, and I think I found one. How 830 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 8: about this Dicky love Lady who was just brought up 831 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 8: to the majors for the Mets. Dicky love Lady. 832 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 4: Nice. 833 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think he's gonna be my new relief pictures. 834 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 3: It's a Levar's stage name. 835 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 5: Take that, Roberto, You ain't lying? Yeah, they call me 836 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 5: Dicky love Lady. 837 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 4: Wow.