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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. If you ever thought the impact of the

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Speaker 1: quarterback is overrated, just look at the matchups that we

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Speaker 1: have in the NFL conference title games. You got Tom

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Speaker 1: That is, if Mahomes is healthy. Brady Rogers certainly speaks

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Speaker 1: for itself, Brady the Goat. While many think Rogers is

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Speaker 1: the most talented quarterback of all time, and if it's

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Speaker 1: not Rogers, then that honor probably goes to Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: He's already got one super Bowl ring and should be

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Speaker 1: in line for a few more. Josh Allen, he's the

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Speaker 1: newcomer here, but he played like an MVP down the

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Speaker 1: stretch and is as dangerous as anyone in the group.

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Speaker 1: And the formula is really simple. You get an all

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Speaker 1: time great quarterback, go deep into the playoffs. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: because these guys are special. Should make for some exciting

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Speaker 1: conference title games. As far as the availability of Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: we don't know. A concussion concussion protocol. But here is

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Speaker 1: his head coach, Andy Reid talking about Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 1: how well he's doing. He's actually doing very well, and

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Speaker 1: I just talked to him and he's doing good. We'll

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Speaker 1: see how he is tomorrow, but I mean, right now,

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Speaker 1: he's he's feeling good. A lot of times we may

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Speaker 1: I don't know how that guy's getting up. This didn't

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Speaker 1: look egregious. You know, it didn't look like Mack Wilson.

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Speaker 1: You know it was a cheap shot Lamar Jackson. Same

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Speaker 1: thing when he got knocked out. You're never quite sure

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Speaker 1: when the impact of that play and what it does

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Speaker 1: to that person. But you saw that yesterday and Chad

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Speaker 1: about his backup quarterback Tom Proud of Chad and the

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Speaker 1: way he handled everything. And you know, he probably said

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Speaker 1: it best when he said, listen, this team is unbelievable

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Speaker 1: when somebody has to come in and make him feel comfortable,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, that's what team's all about. So again, I'm

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Speaker 1: and he should be, because that was one of those

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Speaker 1: little bit, Chad Henny's coming in all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: he throws an interception, and then he comes back and

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Speaker 1: makes two of the greatest plays. Well it's not a

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Speaker 1: great resume, but they are two high end plays for him,

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Speaker 1: and what he did this scramble and then also that

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Speaker 1: fourth down pass that you know, basically allowed them to

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Speaker 1: run out the clock. But as far as surprises go,

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Speaker 1: there was a report prior to the start of the

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Speaker 1: Saints Buccaneers by Jay Glazier. It's what I think most

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Speaker 1: of his thought that this could be Drew Brees his

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Speaker 1: last game. He is sort of holding off retirement talk,

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Speaker 1: but you got that feeling that this was it. Here's

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Speaker 1: breeze after the game. Is your last game? Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: answer this question one time, and that is that I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give I saw Up an opportunity to think

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Speaker 1: about the season, think about a lot of things, just

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Speaker 1: like I did last year, and making to see, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he didn't look good. Yeah, you know, I had three

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Speaker 1: interceptions there, and you start to think about he's played

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Speaker 1: in three hundred and five games Drew Brees three hundred

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Speaker 1: five NFL games that includes postseason. It was the only

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Speaker 1: time in any of those games in which he both

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Speaker 1: had at least three interceptions and he passed for under

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty yards. It had been over four

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Speaker 1: years since he was last picked off three times in

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Speaker 1: game Week fourteen of the twenty sixteen season, and that

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Speaker 1: was also against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But what you

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Speaker 1: last couple of years, and that is a steady decline

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Speaker 1: with Drew Brees throwing the ball down the field. The

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Speaker 1: this year for this team. I didn't think Tampa was great,

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Speaker 1: but Tampa was opportunistic and Tampa has a very good defense.

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Speaker 1: I told you Devin White is a star. He's only

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Speaker 1: twenty two. But Winfield, You've got some players who can

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Speaker 1: Weather is going to be an issue in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: lot of this with Troy Aikman. He'll join us. Coming up. Mcluven,

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Speaker 1: a controversial rule, a quarterback's future or Deshaun Watson. How

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Speaker 1: ease in? Okay, Well, let's start with an older gentleman,

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Speaker 1: a man of leisure. Potentially if you're Drew Brees. Do

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Speaker 1: You want to be Are you ready to retire? You're

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Speaker 1: going to retire? Peyton went through this for a long

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Speaker 1: NBC Sports. My only concern, and it's a selfish one,

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Speaker 1: is I don't like to see when these quarterbacks sort

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Speaker 1: But I I didn't think Drew Brees looked great this year.

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Speaker 1: truly dangerous? And I don't think Drew Brees was dangerous

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees as being a great player, but that's me

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Speaker 1: if he wants to still continue to play great. It's very,

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Speaker 1: It's hard to leave no matter what. If you win,

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Speaker 1: have a performance like that by Drew Brees, because you

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Speaker 1: in the moment. There's no way a team that doesn't

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Speaker 1: good players around him, he's had good coaching around him,

424
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Speaker 1: all those things. But Tom understands all the little details

425
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Speaker 1: of the game and what it takes to play winning football,

426
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Speaker 1: and he did that in the biggest game of the

427
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Speaker 1: year for him. Yesterday. Would you rather have a quarterback

428
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Speaker 1: mentally tough or physically mentally? Yeah, I think that. I

429
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Speaker 1: think that all the quarterbacks in our game are physically tough.

430
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Speaker 1: I think to get to even the NFL, you have

431
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Speaker 1: to have some some amount of toughness. Some are able

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Speaker 1: to play through things more than others, but I think

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Speaker 1: more today than even when I played. And I thought

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Speaker 1: that when I played, things were kind of hard. But

435
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Speaker 1: with social media and all of the critics out there,

436
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: I think mentally you've got to be really, really strong

437
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Speaker 1: to play this game. Well, I look at Lamar Jackson

438
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: at this same age, Aaron Rodgers had thrown one touchdown

439
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: to one interception at age twenty four. Now we're questioning

440
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Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson can win a big game? Yeah? Are

441
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Speaker 1: we being fair? Given the talent he has in the resume,

442
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: the brief resume winning an MVP, that he should be

443
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Speaker 1: winning these games. No, I don't think it's fair. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you think back, I think Peyton Manning lost his first

445
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Speaker 1: three playoff games, you know, and some people were questioning that.

446
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Speaker 1: Now you laugh at that when you think about it,

447
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: that Peyton Manning was ever questioned for anything, and you know,

448
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: we're quick. Now, even when guys come into the league

449
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: as rookies, we within a couple of games, I hear

450
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Speaker 1: people start to comment on whether or not a guy's

451
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Speaker 1: a bust or not. I mean there's a number of

452
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Speaker 1: us may certainly be in one of them that had

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Speaker 1: that been the criteria back when we began our careers,

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Speaker 1: we never would have We never would have made it.

455
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Speaker 1: You know, they would have replaced us really early on.

456
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's I think it is very unfair,

457
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Speaker 1: But I also know it's what everyone signs up for,

458
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Speaker 1: and they understand that Lamar had a concussion this weekend.

459
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes had a concussion. You've had your history of concussions.

460
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Speaker 1: Do you know you have a concussion In the moment,

461
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Speaker 1: you know something's not right. I know that for mine.

462
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Speaker 1: I always say this, I had two really serious concussions.

463
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Speaker 1: I think all head injuries are serious, so I don't

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Speaker 1: want that to be misinterpreted. But the others that I had,

465
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Speaker 1: whether it was five or six or whatever it was,

466
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Speaker 1: I think we're pretty minor. But yeah, you know that

467
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Speaker 1: something's not quite right. It's it's not a guessing game.

468
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Speaker 1: I think for the one who has one. But did

469
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Speaker 1: you try to go back in Yeah, I think you know,

470
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Speaker 1: the trainers now now more than ever, they're really good

471
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Speaker 1: about it. And then they've got a third party that's

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Speaker 1: able to evaluate the player and decide whether or not

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Speaker 1: he's capable of coming back and playing. I think the

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Speaker 1: league's made great strides in that regard. There was a time,

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Speaker 1: I mean, even all the all I have, I had

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Speaker 1: a concussion in the Championship game to where I still

477
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Speaker 1: have no recollection of having played in that game, total

478
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Speaker 1: amnesia from that game. And yet I played the very

479
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Speaker 1: next week in the Super Bowl. There was no bye week,

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Speaker 1: so I never missed a game the following week following

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Speaker 1: a concussion. And I think that's where things have really improved,

482
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Speaker 1: That these players have to go through a protocol and uh,

483
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: may you know it's it's stringent, But I think that's good.

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Speaker 1: Did you go back and watch the tape of the

485
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Speaker 1: game that you don't remember? Yeah, got to Atlanta the

486
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Speaker 1: week of the Super Bowl and I put on the game.

487
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Speaker 1: Pretty pretty surreal experience. You're watching a play you know,

488
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Speaker 1: you don't remember any of these throws. I actually played

489
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Speaker 1: good too, that's part you and Joe Buck should announce

490
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Speaker 1: that game so you can actually critique yourself in the

491
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Speaker 1: moment there. Wow, that's uh. Um, Troy is gonna be

492
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Speaker 1: on the call with Joe Buck. The Bucks and the

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Speaker 1: Packers had three Eastern at lambeau Field playing in the snow. Um,

494
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Speaker 1: how big a deal those conditions? How big a deal

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Speaker 1: is that? You know, you have Tom whose blood is

496
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: probably thinned out in Tampa. You know, we make a

497
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Speaker 1: big deal about it, playing in the cold weather. Is

498
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Speaker 1: that that big a deal? I think it's a pretty

499
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Speaker 1: big deal. I think because of the game being the

500
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Speaker 1: NFC Championship game, I think the players, you know, they

501
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Speaker 1: won't even really be thinking of that much. We're gonna

502
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Speaker 1: be so excited about the fact that that they're one

503
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Speaker 1: game away from from realizing a real goal and a

504
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: dream for all those guys. But but yeah, it's real.

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Speaker 1: And I know that the Packers, I mean, the Packers

506
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Speaker 1: don't like the cold anymore than anyone else. They're just

507
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Speaker 1: they're just more accustomed to it. You know, they'd much

508
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Speaker 1: rather prefer to play in the seventy degree weather, you know,

509
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Speaker 1: but I know that there's a confidence that comes with it.

510
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Speaker 1: They wear it kind of as a Badge in Green Bay.

511
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers certainly does. But I think the fact that

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Speaker 1: Tom has played in the Northeast as long as he

513
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Speaker 1: has and played in those conditions, he's aware of it.

514
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Speaker 1: He'll be able to communicate that to some of those

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Speaker 1: players who aren't accustomed to it, and I think Tom

516
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Speaker 1: will will play well as a result of it. I

517
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Speaker 1: think he's actually very much looking forward to the conditions.

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Speaker 1: How do you explain, Aaron Rodgers if somebody never saw

519
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: him play Troy and you were trying to sum it

520
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: up in thirty seconds, how would you do that. I

521
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: think he's got a coolness to him, you know. I mean,

522
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Speaker 1: I just don't see him get flustered. It just seems

523
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: like he's always holding the winning hand and he knows it,

524
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Speaker 1: you know, to where there's a confidence about him to

525
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Speaker 1: regardless of whatever is happening in the game, that he's

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Speaker 1: going to pull it out. And I know that's how

527
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: I feel when I go into broadcast one of his games,

528
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Speaker 1: that he's done so much. He's the MVP of the

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Speaker 1: league in my opinion. I said that probably with a

530
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Speaker 1: month left in the season, when there was a lot

531
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Speaker 1: of other people being discussed and the reason being that

532
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: he just doesn't have the same supporting cast. And it's

533
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Speaker 1: nothing against those players, but when you compare, you know,

534
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Speaker 1: what they've had there in Green Bay relative to some

535
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Speaker 1: other teams. A lot of their success, understandably is the quarterback,

536
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Speaker 1: but I think more so than maybe some of the

537
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Speaker 1: other teams where they've gone on and had success and

538
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: have great players at the quarterback position. What does Buffalo

539
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Speaker 1: have to do, assuming Patrick Mahomes is healthy, what would

540
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Speaker 1: be your game plan in Kansas City? Well, you know, Dan,

541
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Speaker 1: we had that game in the regular season, a Thursday

542
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Speaker 1: night matchup there in Buffalo, and Buffalo was determined not

543
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Speaker 1: to give up the big play, which is priority number

544
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Speaker 1: one when you're playing Kansas City, of course, but to

545
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: my surprise, Andy Reid just continue to run the football.

546
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Speaker 1: And that's not really Andy's style either. You know, he's

547
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 1: always been criticized about getting away from the run. They

548
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: ran the ball. I think they ran it for over

549
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: two hundred yards at night. I would have to go

550
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: back and look. But so I think that the game

551
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: plan works. I think if a team just runs the

552
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: ball that it's hard to score a lot of points

553
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: as long as they're not getting big runs that I

554
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: think they did a good job in that regard. They

555
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: got to shore some things up with the run game

556
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: and then just play smart. I think when you get

557
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: into January football, as we saw yesterday in our game,

558
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: the takeaways and the turnovers are huge, I mean really huge.

559
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: They're huge every week. But the different and these teams

560
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: is so small that you just have to be really

561
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: really smart with the football and not beat yourself and

562
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: give yourself a chance going in the fourth quarter. And

563
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. I know it's gonna be

564
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: a great Super Bowl matchup. Regardless of whoever wins this

565
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: next weekend. The four teams that lost over the weekend,

566
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Speaker 1: which teams in the best shape coming back next year?

567
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Speaker 1: Oh Man, Off the top of my head, I always

568
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: like New Orleans and the reason I do is because

569
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: of Sean Payton. I just think that he's going to

570
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: have answers. He always does, so I like that group.

571
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Speaker 1: I I like Sean McVay and the Rams. I think

572
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: they've done a good job. Now I don't know that

573
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: i'd say they're in the best shape. I think now

574
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: there's some uncertainty as far as what's going to happen

575
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Speaker 1: at quarterback. And then also, I don't know if it's

576
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 1: been announced, it sounds like they're gonna lose their defensive

577
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: coordinator and he was in a lot of ways the

578
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: MVP of that team. So yeah, he took the Chargers jomp. Yeah. Yeah,

579
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: so good hire for the Chargers. He's been an impressive guy,

580
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley, and he'll be sorely missed there in Los

581
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Speaker 1: Angeles for the Rams. If you were the Texans GM,

582
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: how would you clean up this miss? Well, I think

583
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: you got to first get on board with quarterback, you know.

584
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Speaker 1: And I'm the last guy who would say that the

585
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: players run the organization, and I don't think Deshaun Watson does.

586
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: But he's a great player, and you'd hate to lose

587
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: a guy of his caliber. I think that that has

588
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: to be mended somehow. I don't know what the communication was.

589
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was promised or however that happened,

590
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: but I think that would be priority number one is

591
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: making sure he understands that he's going to be given

592
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: every opportunity to go out and have success. I think

593
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: that's what every player wants, that's certainly what every franchise

594
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: quarterback wants and they have to be able to prove

595
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: that to him and satisfy him in that regard, because

596
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: he's too valuable to just let walk and not have

597
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Speaker 1: a replacement. Would you take offers, Yeah, I would always

598
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Speaker 1: take offers. I don't know that anyone would ever be

599
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: able to offer enough, but yeah, I would certainly listen

600
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: if you ran the Jets. Would you offer everything? No,

601
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't offer I wouldn't offer everything, but not a

602
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: herschel Walker, but but a herschel Light. How about you know,

603
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: maybe three first rounders and a couple of second rounders

604
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: for DeShawn Watson. Well, I dan I worked the draft

605
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: when when Mayfield and Darnald and those guys came out

606
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, so I have a pretty good feel for

607
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks before they even got into the league. And

608
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: and I think Darnold is a really talented guy. I'm

609
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: not willing to give up on Sam Darnold now. I

610
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: would have to study him and really dig into it

611
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: and see. But I think the Jets have had a

612
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: number of issues and to pen that on Darnald or say, hey,

613
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: the reason we've not been very good is because we

614
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback, I'm not willing to say that.

615
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: I would have to take a much harder look and

616
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: maybe their franchise quarterback in the building right now. Have

617
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: you ever had a player confront you after something you've

618
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: said or said maybe a previous game, previous week, previous

619
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: year when you go to a game location. Only Oh,

620
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: not in a long time. Not in a long time.

621
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Speaker 1: I've had players at different times who have come into

622
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: a production meaning and had issue with something that I've said,

623
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: which I'm open to having a conversation about it. I

624
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: feel like I'm fair, Dan, I think every I think

625
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: every broadcaster feels like they're fair, right, But I you

626
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: know that you don't go in with an agenda. But

627
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm willing to have a conversation if I'm critical

628
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: of a player. I feel very strongly in what I'm saying,

629
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Speaker 1: So I'm more than willing to have a conversation as

630
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: to why I said what I said, and then if

631
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Speaker 1: if I need to be corrected, if I thought maybe

632
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: they were responsible for something in which they weren't, Because

633
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: we don't, especially when you're talking about secondary players, you

634
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: don't always know. Sometimes it looks like it was this

635
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Speaker 1: particular guy and I and I know coverages as well

636
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Speaker 1: as anyone, but uh, and I'll admit, I mean, I'll

637
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Speaker 1: certainly come out and uh and you know, make amends

638
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: to it. So it was never a go time. You

639
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: never thought like somebody wanted to get physical with you. No, No,

640
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: I've never I don't think I've ever said anything that

641
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: would have offended anybody. Well, it's early in the week, Troy,

642
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: so who knows you know, I don't know how about you. Dan,

643
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: has anybody ever coming? Yes, A Rod, A Rod and

644
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor. Wow. Yeah, so we have something in common

645
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: with Lawrence Taylor. That's that's impressive. Those are holidays coming

646
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: after you. Lawrence scared me. I can see the whites

647
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: of his eyes through his dark sunglasses, and I thought

648
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: he was coming after me. Lawrence Taylor scared me. And

649
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Speaker 1: I have fun. Safe travels up there till Joe Buck

650
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: we said. Allow always great to catch up with you. Troy.

651
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Thank you Dad. That's Troy Aikman. He'll be on the

652
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: call A Fox will bring you the bucks and pack

653
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: at three eastern. That'll be on Sunday. Be sure to

654
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Speaker 1: catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show. Weekdays

655
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports

656
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: Radio and the iHeart Radio app bringing Lewis Riddick of

657
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: the Monday Night Football analyst, former Pro Scout director, a

658
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: pro personnel and a course of former NFL defensive back

659
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: who joins us on the program. Lewis, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Was that a dirty hit on Patrick Mahomes in your

661
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Speaker 1: opinion by mack Wilson. No, it really didn't. It didn't

662
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Speaker 1: come off that way to me watching it live, and

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Speaker 1: you know, having watched mack Wilson play and you know,

664
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Speaker 1: in anecdolie just kind of like seeing what other people

665
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Speaker 1: have said about mack Wilson and how Matt kind of expressed,

666
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: you know, his feelings afterwards. It didn't seem quite honestly, Dan,

667
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: when I saw the hit and I'm sitting there thinking, Wow,

668
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Speaker 1: where where did it come from? I mean, how how

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Speaker 1: did he get you know, how did he concust on

670
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Speaker 1: this play? Because it wasn't a business s thought hit.

671
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't like the same kind of hit like to

672
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: Debby and put on put on Carson Wentz in the

673
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: playoff game a year ago. It wasn't that same kind

674
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Speaker 1: of you know, hit to the back of the head.

675
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: So I mean I was I was kind of shocked,

676
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: quite honestly when when Patrick got up to look in

677
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: the way that he did. But you know, from all educations,

678
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: based on what Andy said, he was doing well after

679
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: the game and hopefully he can play next week. Well,

680
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Speaker 1: I thought Sorensen's hit on Higgins helmet to Helmett was

681
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: far more egregious and that was not called absolutely, I

682
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: mean no question about that, and I think that's something

683
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: that at the league and the referees are going to

684
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: have to be more consistent about and continue to work

685
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: to try and be more consistent because look, I mean

686
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Speaker 1: Nick clearly dropped his head. Clearly Higgins in the side

687
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Speaker 1: of the head. I mean it was, I mean, it's

688
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Speaker 1: as plain as day. And although that's not reviewable, I

689
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: mean it's just it's it's wild that is not that

690
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: that's not being called with more consistency. And I understand

691
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: it's a big game and it's a crucial play, and

692
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: you don't want to, you know, have crucial plays like

693
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Speaker 1: that in ball games decided by ref you know, referee

694
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: calls and flags being put on the field. But in

695
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: the name of safety, which is always what this has

696
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: always been about. You have to strive for more consistency

697
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 1: than that. What do you think of the rule where

698
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Speaker 1: you do you fumble the ball out of the end

699
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Speaker 1: zone and automatically, you know, the defense, you turn it

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Speaker 1: over to the defense. Yeah, I think I'm like, I'm

701
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: like everyone else. I mean, you don't. It seems very

702
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Speaker 1: ridiculous that you know, and that you're being punished for

703
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Speaker 1: effort for trying to score the football, and you know,

704
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: and then you lose possession of the football totally at

705
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Speaker 1: that point in time, and you know you don't have

706
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Speaker 1: another chance to try and punch it in. I mean,

707
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Speaker 1: with the rule being what it is. I mean, you've

708
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Speaker 1: heard many coaches, you know Bill Beltic in particular, and

709
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Speaker 1: I know Kevin Stefanski he was talking about it as well,

710
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Speaker 1: coach players to not reach the ball out unless you

711
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: are sure, unless you know you're able to score, don't

712
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Speaker 1: do it, which you're never going to know if you're able,

713
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, to score, per se and it and it

714
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: sucks because it's one of those plays that really kind

715
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Speaker 1: of took the wind out of out of the sales

716
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: of the Browns at that point in time. But it's

717
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Speaker 1: something I'm sure they're going to look at it here

718
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Speaker 1: in the offseason because you just don't you don't want

719
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: those kind of things again coming up in big games,

720
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: dan deciding football games, they're deciding to momentium or you know,

721
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: significant at least swinging the momentium football game. But how

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Speaker 1: would you fix the rule? I think you know that

723
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Speaker 1: that's hard to say. I mean, I think there's a

724
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Speaker 1: there's a number of different ways that you could. I

725
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Speaker 1: think at that point in time, you know, I don't,

726
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Speaker 1: I don't really know. I don't really know because I said,

727
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Speaker 1: just take it back to the twenty five yard line

728
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Speaker 1: loss of down and then that way, I'm going to

729
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: punish you, But I'm not going to punish you for

730
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Speaker 1: that extra effort. I I can't decimate you for something

731
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Speaker 1: like that. Although I do agree with what Belichick and

732
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Speaker 1: Mike Rabels say to their players, just don't do it.

733
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Speaker 1: But I'm thinking if we change the rule, how do

734
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: we change the rule? And maybe you just bring it

735
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Speaker 1: back to the twenty five yard line? Yeah, I mean,

736
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: that's that sounds like a you know, a pretty standard

737
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Speaker 1: way to try and legislate that kind of play. You know,

738
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Speaker 1: as far as legislating some kind of action or some

739
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: kind of punishments. It's hard, you know, I haven't really

740
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: thought it through about how exactly would you fix it.

741
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: Although it just seems way too punitive obviously, to take

742
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: the ball away from the offense again and punishing effort

743
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: like that, I'd have to give more thought to exactly

744
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: what you know how to do that, And I think

745
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: the league's going to have to too, And I think

746
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: that's why the rule hasn't been changed, because they probably

747
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: haven't been able to think about what exactly what do

748
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: you change it to? Then, what makes the most sense

749
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Speaker 1: in that kind of situation. As a former defensive back,

750
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Speaker 1: I want you to put yourself in the defense yesterday

751
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Speaker 1: with the Browns. When you see Chad Henny and it's

752
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: worth down and you see the playclock, they're going to

753
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: try to draw you off sides. You don't think that

754
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: Chad Henny is going to run a play given where

755
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: the ball is and what's at stake here? What do

756
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Speaker 1: you think as a defensive player in a situation like

757
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: that and the possibility of them running a play? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as a second level defender in particular, then and you're

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00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: not on the on the defensive line obviously, if you're

760
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: if you're a D lineman, I think first and foremost

761
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: your thing, and number one, I'm just not jumping off side.

762
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm not moving til this ball moves, even if I'm

763
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: laid off the football. So I think their mindset is

764
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: much different than the second and third level defenders. If

765
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: you're a linebacker or safety, you're off the ball anyway,

766
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: so you don't really care about hard account you're not,

767
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: it's not going to really affect you one way or another.

768
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: What you need to be focused in on is in

769
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Speaker 1: the event that they do run a play, I need

770
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Speaker 1: to know where I need to be, and I know

771
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Speaker 1: it's particularly where I need to be in regards to

772
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: who their best players are. So I definitely needed to

773
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Speaker 1: know where number ten was. I need to know where

774
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: Tyreek was going to be. And you can't relax in

775
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: that type of situation. And then lastly, with fourth and

776
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Speaker 1: one type situations, you're sitting there in the shotgun. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's more from a coaching standpoint, you just have to

778
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 1: like like, sprint right option is something that Andy Reid

779
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: and all West Coast offenses have run over and over again.

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Speaker 1: That's a and that's all that play was. That's what

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00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: they were running back in the days of Bill Walsh.

782
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Speaker 1: And I mean, it seems it sounds easier, you know,

783
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: easier said than done at this point in time, but

784
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Speaker 1: I think that that's what it's all. That's what it's about.

785
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: At the professional level. It's about preparation. It's about key

786
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: moments like that, and you just have to be prepared for.

787
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: You can't get caught off guard. You just can't. And

788
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: I know everyone from from from Romo to the people

789
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: sitting at home, we're shocked that they actually ran the play.

790
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: But again, if you're a second or third level defender,

791
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: you're a linebacker, safety, corner, it's about doing your job

792
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: and not worrying about whether or not they're just going

793
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: to try and draw the you know, the front four

794
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: or front five off side. And it's it's just too bad.

795
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: It's too bad that if in fact people did relax

796
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: and weren't really playing with the same kind of urgency

797
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: that they normally would, that it ultimately cost them because

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00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: that was a huge freaking play. It was a huge play.

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Speaker 1: He's Lewis Reddick the ESPN Monday Night Football analyst of

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Speaker 1: the four losing teams over this weekend, who's in the

801
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: best shape moving forward? Wow? You know really, I mean

802
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: I would say, look, the Browns are. I think the

803
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: Browns are in good shape because Kevin really does have

804
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: a good idea of what he wants his football team

805
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: to look like him for the first time in a

806
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: long time, he's got them pointed in the right direction.

807
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: And Andrew Barry has done a fantastic job of continuing

808
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: some of the work that they have done previously as

809
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: far as stockpiling draft picks and drafting young players. So

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Speaker 1: I think they're in good shape from an AFC standpoint.

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Speaker 1: And look, I think Baltimore is too on the analyst side,

812
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: But I think the Rams, the Rams got to figure

813
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: out exactly what it is that they really feel towards

814
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: Jared Goff and if he is going to be the

815
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: guy for the future for them moving forward. And because

816
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: this sounds like Sean at this point in time, is

817
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: this noncommittal and that he's really going to take a

818
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: deep dive, hard look at his football team, particularly at

819
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: that position. But from from a young players standpoint, they

820
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: have done a pretty darn good job. Under some difficult

821
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: circumstances given what they've given up in terms of draft

822
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: capital to get some of the players that they have,

823
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: of still stockpiling that roster and positioning themselves for the

824
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: future here in one of the toughest divisions in football,

825
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: if not the toughest division in football to the lead

826
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: out there in the NFC West. So I think those

827
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: two teams in particular look real good head going forward.

828
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: I mean, the Saints have a lot of a lot

829
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: of issues going I mean, they are just in absolute

830
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: cap hell going forward. They got to figure out what's

831
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: going on at order back now, because you have to

832
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: assume that Drew's last game was last night, his japers,

833
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: the guy is tasting the guy. What's the situation there,

834
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: and how are they going to continue to build out

835
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: this roster given the fact that they're gonna have set

836
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: limited resources from the sorry sorry cathrouin perspective, would you

837
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: rather go against Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady? There's no

838
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: third by the way, Yeah, you know what I mean.

839
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: I think I mean that's so man. Either way, man,

840
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna be disrespecting to the grades. But

841
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: I think right now, I mean I'd rather go against

842
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: Tom because of the fact that I think Tom has

843
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: his own reasons for wanting to continue to be great

844
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: and obviously get to the super Bowl. And the guy

845
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: has never become complacent despite the fact that he has

846
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: been in the most successful individual probably in team sports,

847
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: maybe in well definitely in the history of the NFL.

848
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: But Aaron's just on a different He's on a different

849
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: level and has a mindset in a in a cockiness,

850
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: in in kind of a way about him right now

851
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: that having talked to them both this year on Monday

852
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: night production calls, but you just knew that he was

853
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: going to continue to try and just absolutely torch everyone

854
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: all year long. And he he was. He was in

855
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: a zone with with Matt mcflour that maybe he's never

856
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: ever been in in his entire career. And that's saying

857
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: something given some of the spectacular seasons that he that

858
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: he's had. But can we simplify this low Lewis and

859
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: say when the Packers drafted Jordan Love, they lit a

860
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: fire in Aaron Rodgers. Um, well, we can try to,

861
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: although if you if you ask him and when you

862
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: talk to him, he won't say it lit a fire.

863
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: Although you know it did to some degree. I mean,

864
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: because you know them, he's just one of the he's

865
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: a hype a competitor. I just think he hit a

866
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: level in his second year and in the off season

867
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: in terms of his relationship with Matt that this was

868
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: inevitable whether or not they drafted Jordan or not. I

869
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: think this, this, the evolution in terms of his comfort

870
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: in that offense, was gonna happen Dan, no matter what.

871
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: D Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean there's no

872
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: doubt that. You know. Look, he's he's again given all,

873
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: no matter how successful he has been. And that's the

874
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: cool thing about all these guys, all these guys who

875
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: were supreme, supreme achievers. They I mean, just like the Jordan,

876
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: Like like we saw with Jordan in the Last Dance,

877
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: they always are looking for something and even though they

878
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: won't admit it, of course it drives them. But I

879
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: think that relationship and I'm a big look, I'm big

880
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: on that part of it, from the importance of relationships

881
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: as he's adult, that relationship with Matt laportan offseason, and

882
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: Matt talked about that too. This thing just took off, man,

883
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it just took off. And usually you see

884
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: it happening with time. Right now, as him and Bruce

885
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: get more comfortable, as him and biring more comfortable in

886
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, they look like they are starting to click,

887
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: and they really did last night. Now, is it going

888
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: to be enough against Green Bay? You know you've been

889
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: up there. You know how miserable it is up there,

890
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: and Aaron has talked about it. How much are you

891
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: willing to suffer when you come to land? But how

892
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: much are you how much can you take holcohol? Soon

893
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: until you start looking at the clock, going, hey, those

894
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: buses right out there, hide the stadium, heat them up, man,

895
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to get the hell out of here. That's

896
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: what he says. It's it's it's how long are you

897
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: willing to suffer? And we're gonna find out next week

898
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: as far as Tampa's concerned. Let's see what else did

899
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: I have? How do you salvage? Deshaun Watson? You know

900
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: I was just asking us a little while ago. I

901
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you know how relationships are. Sometimes

902
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: it's not salvage. Sometimes you just breach someone's trust so

903
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: much to the point where there is no turning back.

904
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: There just isn't and this sounds so systemic down there,

905
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: and so and ingrained in the way not only he feels,

906
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: but other players feel too that I don't know if

907
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: you do. I don't. I just don't know if you

908
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: if you do, and that would be a damn shame

909
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. But you start taking offers though, Lewis,

910
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: what's that you start taking offers? I think you have

911
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: to listen because if the guy doesn't want to play

912
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: and you and he has a no trade clause and

913
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: you can't dictate to him what you send them to mean,

914
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?

915
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: And they're they're in a terrible situation from a team

916
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: rebuild as far as not having draft capital, and they

917
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: could get a boatload of it, and there's teams out

918
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: there who have a boatload of it to offer them. Now,

919
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: that would be a terrible way to start off your

920
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, your tenure down there if you're Nick Kissario.

921
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: But hey, if you're Nick, You're You're like, Hey, look,

922
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: I'm not the one who created this situation. I'm not

923
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: the one who directly created this situation. But I'm gonna

924
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: try and make the best of it. Because it may

925
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: be one of those men that you can't recover. And

926
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: if you listen to the Sean and you talk to

927
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: people who have been down there, and it's not just

928
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: the Sean who's feeling this way. He's just the front

929
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: facing guy. He's just the one God forbid. And I'll

930
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: tell you what if JJ Watt comes out and says

931
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: something like this too, to the point where he says, look,

932
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: I just want to add of here. I want to

933
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: end my time here because the wheels are going to

934
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: really come off. Well he's gonna be Yeah, he's not

935
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: going to play there next year. I can't see JJ

936
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: playing there. And also I was told this two weeks

937
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: he a biased source. Don't be surprised if Eric B.

938
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 1: Enemy does not get a head coaching job. Now there's

939
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: two openings, Lewis, what am I missing here? With Eric B. Enemy?

940
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: And it looks like Leslie Frasier might be the leading

941
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: candidate with Houston, and then we have Philadelphia. I think

942
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: what you have is looking human beings are making these decisions,

943
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: and human beings engage in confirmation bias all the time.

944
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: And right now, for some reason, and I don't really

945
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: want to go down this rabbit hole to the point

946
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: where you know, we make this into a racial discussion.

947
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: But for some reason, all these things, all these different

948
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: excuses keep coming up about Eric, whether it be he

949
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: does an interview well or are there things in his

950
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: past that cause you to press pause, you know, in

951
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: terms of his accountability and leadership and and you know,

952
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: his dependability going forward, which will just be as and

953
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: Andy has talked about so many different times, but it's

954
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: just ridiculous to even bring up at this point. But

955
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: I think that that's what's happening. Then of course there's

956
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: the whole he doesn't call plays well, you know what.

957
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: I've talked to Andy enough times about this in Red

958
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: Beach to say that, look, the amount of responsibility that

959
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: they put on him is the same, if not more

960
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: than the responsibility that Andy gave to both Doug and

961
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: Matt Maggie. So I don't I would, I would hope

962
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: like hell that this is not simply about you know,

963
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: the whole, you know, being comfortable with hiring people who

964
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: don't necessarily look like you have the same experiences as you,

965
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: and you still have those kind of hang and have

966
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: those kind of reservations that would keep you from hiring

967
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: a young coach like him, a relatively young coach like him,

968
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: who is coached one of the greatest players we've seen

969
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: coming into this league ever, and who vouches for him

970
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: without without pause. I would hate that that would I

971
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: would hope that that is not something that is deciding

972
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: this man's future as far as being a head coach.

973
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: But I'm not naive enough to think that it's not

974
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: a factor because there's no other reason. There's no other

975
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: reason at this point, Dan, There's this flat out no

976
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: other reason, and that's that's awful. That's something I know

977
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: the commissioner does not want to be the case. I've

978
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: talked to the commissioner. I know how important that is

979
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: to him, and for this to be something that again

980
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: we're addressing another another year, another hiring cycle. There's this

981
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: flat out embarrassing and ridiculous that we're having even entertained

982
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: these conversations. Why isn't Eric b Enemy at the forefront

983
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: of someone's you know, as someone's hiring wishless. Why is

984
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: he not at the top. I'd love to know what

985
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: those reasons are, those objective reasons are. I would love

986
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: to have sat in on an interview with him and

987
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: tell him to where people come out of an interview

988
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: and go, nah, he's not quite the guy. And that's

989
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: not to take anything away from some of these other

990
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: guys who were getting jobs, because I tell you this,

991
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: I said back in September, the very first time I

992
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: talked to Brandon Staley, this kid is fantastic. He's fantastic.

993
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: Was blown away by him. And Sean told me that

994
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl last year, You're going to be

995
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: blown away by Brandon Staley. He is that sharp. I've

996
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: talked to Robert Sali. I know how impressive he is.

997
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: I know how I'm press he is. Brian dab Bo,

998
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: I know how impress, even though he may not get

999
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: his job either in this cycle. I know how impress

1000
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: that these guys are. Arthur Smith, I've known for fifteen years.

1001
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith used to come and watch Tate with me

1002
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: in Washington, sitting in the scouting room in the scouting

1003
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: hallway when he was just trying to figure out what

1004
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: he wanted to do with his life. And in Vinnie

1005
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: Serado and his dad, Brandon Smith said, Hey, can he

1006
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: just sit in here and watch the film with you?

1007
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: Because he just wants to be around football, and now

1008
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: I knew Arthur was going to be a head coach.

1009
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: So these guys are fantastic. But for Eric right now

1010
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: to have the conversations thrown around him in the manner

1011
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: in which it is is just criminals. It really is.

1012
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: It's sad because I talked to him as well, and

1013
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: probably talk to more people about him than I talked

1014
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: to about any of these guys, and it's it's just

1015
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: so unfortunate, and it's so defeating, and it's so deflating.

1016
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: But onward we must press, and that's just the way

1017
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: it is. Well said Louis, thank you, We appreciate your time.

1018
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us absolutely. Thank you, Lewis Riddick from

1019
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: the mother Ship Monday Night Football Analyst. Thanks for listening

1020
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,839
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1021
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1022
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