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Speaker 1: Well, hello everybody. It's me Rosie O'Donnell, star of Exit

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Speaker 1: to Eden, and I'm very sorry that I was in

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Speaker 1: that film and for all of you who had to

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Speaker 1: see it, my apologies. It was fun to make, though.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you that we were in Hawaii for

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Speaker 1: a while and Danny Ackroyd told me lots of stories

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Speaker 1: about UFOs and it made the whole set vibe.

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Speaker 2: Very chill.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the UFO thing in Las Vegas by

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Speaker 1: the way? Okay, so, like this guy's in his backyard

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Speaker 1: at midnight with his friend or his brother, and the

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Speaker 1: weirdly like an asteroid game, you know, in a video game.

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Speaker 1: Like it's was weird. It was like Tetris from the sky.

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Speaker 1: And then there was like apparently a boom and there's

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Speaker 1: a nine to one to one call where this guy

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Speaker 1: is saying there's a creature. They're scary, they're eight to

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Speaker 1: ten feet. I'm not kidding. This is not a joke.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, why is this not the top

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Speaker 1: gone on, and I know that Trump was indicted and

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Speaker 1: that my friends is a victory for humanity and makes

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Speaker 1: a soul proud to be Americans when the government works

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Speaker 1: as it's supposed to. It's a beautiful thing. And speaking

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Speaker 1: of beautiful things, I got to see Joni Mitchell and

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Speaker 1: Brandy Carlisle in concert at the Gorge in Washington State

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Speaker 1: near Seattle. It was the most astounding night of my life.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to explain it. It was

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Speaker 1: like ethereal. It was nostalgic, it was uh so energetically healing.

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Speaker 1: To sit amongst twenty seven thousand people who were similar

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Speaker 1: in some magically beautiful way, it was astounding.

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Speaker 1: So happy when I was there. It lifted me in

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Speaker 1: a way that it was unbelievable. First of all, Brandy Carlile.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what I can say about this

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Speaker 1: Brandy Carlyle. I have to say I missed the boat

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Speaker 1: on Brandy Carlisle, not on purpose. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: I did it. Sometimes like I you know, I never

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Speaker 1: saw a madman. I mean, that's ridiculous. How can you

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Speaker 1: say that. I don't know what happened with the Brandy Carlile.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. I just would like

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Speaker 1: to humbly apologize because I'm in a deep dive of

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Speaker 1: Brandy Carlile, everything about her life. I'm about to listen

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Speaker 1: to her book on tape that she narrates, and my god,

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Speaker 1: she has done something amazing when she puts together in

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Speaker 1: honors these legendary women who have given so much of

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Speaker 1: this day and age. This amazing gay woman standing there

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Speaker 1: beside this amazing Joni Mitchell, who I don't know, is

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Speaker 1: the reason my heart beats. I don't know her lyrics are.

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Speaker 1: They're always with me everything profound that happens in my life,

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Speaker 1: on TV, in the news, in my world, I assign

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Speaker 1: a Joony Mitchell quote to it because something about the

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Speaker 1: beautifully said in all her lyrics. And to see her

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Speaker 1: bowled over. Annie Lennox was there. She sang Ladies of

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Speaker 1: the Canyon, and she is a force that Annie Lennox,

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Speaker 1: She is a force. The whole night Sarah McLaughlin delicious.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who was there, you know, and I know who

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Speaker 1: busy working herself. Is the woman that I'm about to

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Speaker 1: speak to next right here on onward with Rosie O'Donnell.

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Speaker 1: It's my friend, and Jonie's too. Cindy Lauper is here today,

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Speaker 1: and well it's not today, but you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: She sat down with me and we had a nice

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Speaker 1: long chat and I love her so much. And happy birthday, Cindy,

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Speaker 1: who turned seventy years old on Thursday. So Sin, I

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Speaker 1: love you. You're an icon, honey, You're the best. Your

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Speaker 1: remains one of my favorite live performances I've ever seen anywhere.

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Speaker 1: You Cindy Lauper, You all right, take a listen in

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Speaker 1: conversation right now with Cindy Lauper. Well, hello, everybody, Look

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Speaker 1: who's here with me? Cindy laupahysin.

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Speaker 2: How are you do? I'm really good? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm all right? You're going to Santa Monica.

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Speaker 2: I heard I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm making the move from Malibu, which I love, but

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Speaker 3: Oh not, Hampton's is too busy.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean. Everybody had designer everything.

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Speaker 1: I didn't fit in there.

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Speaker 3: I always liked it, like when there was still like

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Speaker 2: Real estate, right exactly.

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Speaker 3: No, everybody wants to live in a rural place and

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Speaker 3: make it like the city, which is counterproductive, Like why

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Speaker 2: How is David how's he doing?

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Speaker 3: He's doing great, he really is. Yeah. He's been writing

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Speaker 3: and writing and writing, and he was always such a

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Speaker 3: great storyteller. So I'm excited for him totally. And Deklin

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Speaker 3: working girl. And I did this thing, oh, It's funny

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Speaker 3: because the Tribeca Film Festival, Dolores Roach was in the

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Speaker 3: Tribeca Film thing and my documentary because there's everybody for

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Speaker 3: a while or both like you got to do a documentary.

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Speaker 3: I was like, why, I'm not dead yet, right, And

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Speaker 3: to make sure it's truthful. So I was like, okay, right,

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Speaker 3: so you've got a lot of things. So this Dolores

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Speaker 3: what's the name Delora with the Horrors of Dolores Roach?

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Speaker 3: And check this out?

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Speaker 2: Is it a true story?

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Speaker 3: Is true?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it started as a podcast on Spotify. Right.

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Speaker 3: I played a theater usher on Broadway. I had my

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ruthie. And I went to this wig store with Yudah,

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Speaker 3: I read it and I say, it's really good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl. That's what made them think of casting you.

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Speaker 1: But you were singing at the Hollywood Bowl. Yeah you talk?

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Speaker 3: So I just kept singing, and I think I was

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Speaker 1: We got the obos, we got the clothes, got a lot.

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Speaker 3: So they had seen that show and I got admitted.

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Speaker 3: I guess I was funny. Sometimes I'm funny.

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Speaker 3: And so they wrote this love letter and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So after I got done, you know, we went to Italy.

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Speaker 3: It was fun. We went to Capri. You know, everything

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Speaker 3: Of course I was there, Yes, of course I was.

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Speaker 3: And she looked at me. She took my hand, she said,

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Speaker 3: So I started with the stones, the crystals, the energy

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Speaker 2: Right that night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and while I'm talking to her about all this stuff,

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Speaker 2: It was all right. All your stuff you did worked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. You never want to be without your mom,

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, no, you don't, you know, because your mother

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Speaker 1: So and you were super duper famous, which makes it

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Speaker 3: But in two thousand and four or three, Oh, I.

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Speaker 2: Like fun, like just fun, which is a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like mouse trap Wow. And because you know it's

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Speaker 1: But it was fun and you love doing it because

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Speaker 3: No, if it's good, if it's a good one and

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you get a good director, Gosh, you

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Speaker 3: turn into Flipper for them, right, I mean I would, Yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Do whatever they ask. Of course, it's like sure, I

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Speaker 2: Sometimes.

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Speaker 3: I think every bad or good, every experience brings you

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Speaker 1: You got a big birthday coming up, don't you? Oh God, come.

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Speaker 3: On now, I know, I know, I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: What do you think about it? Are you dreading it?

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Speaker 3: I always get pissed off, really cause yeah, freak wants

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: All I hope is that his daughters don't have to

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Speaker 2: Because I heard you talking about ja.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember where it was, but you were so

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Speaker 1: Yes, all the time, and what it means to be

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Speaker 1: She goes, Mommy, that is your sex, not your gender.

436
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Speaker 1: There are many genders. It's like this kid is teaching

437
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Speaker 1: me you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you see that's how they feel. And I

439
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Speaker 3: understand it's hard to wrap your head around. It's very

440
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Speaker 3: hard to wrap your head around. But I am happy that.

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Speaker 2: The work that you and I why and.

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00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: Other people did that moved us forward enough that kids

443
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Speaker 3: could actually question and say, hey, I don't want to

444
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Speaker 3: be pigeonholed as male or femen. And what happens is

445
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Speaker 3: is that parents or what's happening, which always happens, ironically,

446
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: is that whenever there's a money issue problems, all of

447
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: a sudden authoritarianism comes into play. You like, all of

448
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: a sudden, I'm supposed to have your religion. No, that's

449
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: not why, that's not how this country was sounded, exactly right,

450
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: and that's why, you know, put my nose out that

451
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 3: a handful of religious zealous people decided to use enforce

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Speaker 3: their religion onto me, right right, because that ain't I

453
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: don't I don't subscribe to that, and I don't want to.

454
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: And to have an educated person stand on a pupen

455
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Speaker 3: as a governor and lie, right, lie like a fucking rug, right,

456
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: like a rug. He lies, and everyone's like, oh, I

457
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: really like that guy. Yeah, you know I'm talking about

458
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: to Santi. Course, he's a crazy, crazy person. He's a Nazi.

459
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: He's very much in the model of Trump. But han

460
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: he's educated and he should have had education open his

461
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: mind unless he's just greedy and it's the same bullshit

462
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: like Trump.

463
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Speaker 2: Oh, look up, Pierre, look up here. Pray to God.

464
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: Praise God and then stick some somebody's got their hands

465
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: in your pocket, because basically it's money and that's it.

466
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Speaker 3: You think Trump was religious?

467
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: Now, what are you kidding me?

468
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: How about in Florida, they're trying to take the children

469
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: away trans kids, they're trying to take them away. They

470
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: legally have a bill that has been passed and signed

471
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: by DeSantis ord Satan as I call them.

472
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: They can take devil the.

473
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: Children away from their legitimate parents if the parents try

474
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Speaker 1: to get them gender affirming care in the state of

475
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Speaker 1: Florida in the United States in twenty twenty three. Wow,

476
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: we gotta do something. Everyone who's opposed to fascism taking

477
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: foothold in the in the United States, which it already has.

478
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: No weah, that's because the money again. Yeah, I'm telling

479
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: you every time there's money problems, distraction, distraction. But hey, hey,

480
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Speaker 3: oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Children or trans are different. Oh my god, people who

482
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: are different, right, let's get them.

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00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't pass the bill that that bans assault weapons

484
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: like the one that just was used in Hollywood, Florida.

485
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: How many times are they Why do they need assault weapons? Right? Oh,

486
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: but let's get rid of kids at drag shows.

487
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: And if they do have family friendly ones that like

488
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, Hamburger, Mayory's or whatever, that's exactly what they are,

489
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: family friendly brunch where you know, you could bring your

490
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: own kids, you can do do bring your family and friends.

491
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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's uh, it's scary. Who cares? Who cares? Exactly?

492
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: You know what about kabookie? You're to walk kabookie.

493
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

494
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: They don't like the white makeup exactly different, they should.

495
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: Like white and egg.

496
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: Let's ban books. Let's burn the books because why tell

497
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: kids the truth? Right? Why let them know the real history.

498
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: Because the only way that you can make a better

499
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: world is by having people understand what we did wrong

500
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: exactly because we can fix it. That's what this is about,

501
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: out us coming together and helping each other and fixing

502
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: what's fucked up.

503
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: That's right.

504
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: And just you know, like people want to go back

505
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: to the fifties. Yeah, who is that good for?

506
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: No one?

507
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 5: Not me?

508
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: White men, white men's because women couldn't have credit cards, right, right? Women.

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Speaker 3: I know what my mother went through. She couldn't even

510
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Speaker 3: be educated. She want to be educated. But you know,

511
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: if you're poor, you can just whistle a marry too.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you became a teacher or you became you know,

513
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: a secretary that my mother went to Catherine Gibbs. That's

514
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: what she did. Well, listen, I want to tell you

515
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: congratulations on the documentary. Let the Canary Sing. And it's

516
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: all about your life, career ups and down, sideways, backwards.

517
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: It's all about you.

518
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's about mostly the career. David's not

519
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: in it and Declan's not in it, okay, because I

520
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: want them to have their privacy and their life because

521
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: they sure are artists in their own their own right, correct,

522
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: and they should have the spotlight on them.

523
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: Not totally true, A blurd with me, got it? I

524
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: got it.

525
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so happy for you. I'm happy for all

526
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: your success. Happy birthday. I love you so much. I

527
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: think you're the greatest. I remember going to your fortieth

528
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: or fiftieth on a boat, fifty in the boat.

529
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: In the Hudson River.

530
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: I remember that the junk, No, it was the East

531
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: Rim River when the Chinese junk. And then they wouldn't

532
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: let me. I wanted everybody to do the whole pirate thing,

533
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: and my everybody said.

534
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was

535
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: a funny idea, and I was willing to do it.

536
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: I would have put that patch on and a fake sword.

537
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: I would have been a ya ya yay pirates for yees.

538
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: See what makes pirates so sexy?

539
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

540
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. They just are so sad, so sick.

541
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Speaker 2: I love you. Say hi, say hi to the boys

542
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: for me.

543
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: Okay, I will you say hello to everybody?

544
00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 4: I will?

545
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: I will, sweetheart, I love you so much and thank you. Hey,

546
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more questions from you after this.

547
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: All right, Well that was Cyndi Lauper God Almighty, She's

548
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: a dream. I gotta tell you, she's a dream. Sometimes

549
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: I like pinch myself the world that I live in.

550
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: You know that I get to know and love these iconic,

551
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: huge meteorite talents. They're just huge and powerful and they

552
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: shake the earth and it's it's thrilling to be in

553
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: their orbit. Okay, we've got some questions from you or comments,

554
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: and if you want to leave one, you go to

555
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Onward Rosie at gmail dot com. Leave us a voice memo,

556
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: you failure, you know how to do it.

557
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: Just here we go. Here's a question.

558
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Speaker 3: Kai, Rosie.

559
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Speaker 5: My name is Danniel and I'm in Tesamania, Australia.

560
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Speaker 2: One thing I.

561
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 5: Would like to ask you is what is America like

562
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 5: now compared to the America of thirty years ago? We

563
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: went there when I was sixteen in nineteen ninety and

564
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 5: was something that all families wanted to do in my neighborhood.

565
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: To go to America on a holiday was like the greatest.

566
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 5: And now it seems so many of my powers don't

567
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 5: want to go to America anymore.

568
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: And I wonder what's it feel.

569
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Speaker 5: Like in the every day to be an American citizen

570
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 5: with our politics presuming us so similar I think anyway,

571
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Speaker 5: I love you, Thank you.

572
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: What a great question.

573
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Speaker 2: Boy.

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00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: Thirty years ago it's hard to even remember, but I

575
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: will tell you this, you know, thanks to the amazing

576
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: literature that's been written about what happens to a country

577
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: when they lose their democracy, you know, and we know

578
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: what's happening. And I'd like to hope that we're not

579
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: the frogs in the pot on the slow boiling right.

580
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: I hope that we are aware of just how dangerous

581
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: a precipice we're all on all over the world to

582
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: have dictators want to come in and do for themselves only,

583
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: and you know that is not the founding principles of

584
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: the United States of America. And when I grew up,

585
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, it was troubling times in the country, right

586
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: it was the Vietnam War, it was Nixon resigning and

587
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: how that shook the nation, and many people thought we

588
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: would never be able to come together as a nation

589
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: again after Nixon, and what happened between Democrats and Republicans,

590
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: and what's happening now is it's nearly unthinkable for me

591
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: to look at the polls that say, even after he

592
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: was arraigned, arrested, indicted, people still believed in him. Some

593
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: fifty percent of Republicans still had faith and believed in

594
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: this man. I can't understand it. So to me, it

595
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: feels like scary. It feels like we have to use

596
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: our voice now, especially artists, when times get tough. That's

597
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: what the artists do, and it's their responsibility. So when

598
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: they make shows like Handmaiden's Tale, everybody can take note

599
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: how it went down and how they got there, and

600
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: how Margaret atwould even thought up that tale, which people

601
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: told her was far too extreme and could never happen.

602
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: And here we are and here we are. So I

603
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: believe in the human spirit. I believe that we will

604
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: right the wrongs that have been done in the name

605
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: of selfish, narcissist rhetoric. I don't know. I hope it

606
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 1: gets better, and I'm going to work towards that goal

607
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: in any way that I can, and I hope everyone

608
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: does too. Thank you for the question. And I love Australia.

609
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: And now there's another.

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Speaker 2: One, Hi, Rosie.

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00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 4: This is David in Grand Rapids, and I feel like

612
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: a broken record. Everyone's telling you the same thing. I'm

613
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 4: going to as well. I grew up watching your show,

614
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: and I think it's because I was this burgeoning gay boy,

615
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 4: and a lot of us gay kids were drawn to

616
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: your show. I think it's because you were so genuine

617
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 4: and you were full of such joy, And even though

618
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 4: we may not have known that you were gay, I

619
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 4: think we see our people subconsciously and we were drawn

620
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: to you. And I have a not a question, but

621
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: a story that I hope will touch you. My father

622
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 4: was a very very strict, tough who grew up in

623
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: the hood, and he was very very protective of his

624
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: three sons, and he was extremely careful not to let

625
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: us watch any television that could be harmful or influence

626
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: us in any way. That was not his vision of

627
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: what a young black man should grow up to. And

628
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: he would just tell us we couldn't watch many, many,

629
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Speaker 4: many shows. But what he would say often is go

630
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: watch the Rosie O'donald's show. You should be watching. And

631
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 4: it was so crazy because he felt that your show

632
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 4: was the safe show. Your show was not going to

633
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 4: be harmful in any way, even though he was acutely

634
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 4: aware that I was showing signs of becoming gay. Your

635
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 4: show was rated G and it just looked like good,

636
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: family fun. So my father really insisted that we watch you.

637
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: And I just want to thank you for being a

638
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 4: safe place that I could turn to as a kid.

639
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: I am obsessed with your podcast. I listened to it constantly.

640
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: Thank you from the bottom of my heart for being yourself.

641
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: Wow, that was quite something, really beautiful. I have to

642
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: tell you, and I thank you for leaving that message.

643
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: And I wish I got to meet your dad. You know,

644
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: it was family fun, but it was definitely gay. I mean,

645
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, John was gay, I was gay. A couple

646
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: of writers were gay, A bunch of them, A bunch

647
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Speaker 1: of the producers. You know, it was a gay friendly

648
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: show with a black male executive producer and me at

649
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: the helm and his name is Bernie. And I think

650
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: we made the MERV Griffin Show for the next generation.

651
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: And the MERV Griffin Show was a haven for gays too.

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Speaker 1: Tody Fields, he had bet Midler, he had everyone MERV

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Speaker 1: was possible in his lifetime and what's possible in mine

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Speaker 1: I feel the love, so I thank you for it. Well,

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Speaker 1: this has been a great show everybody. I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it as much as I did. And peace out.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you.

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Speaker 1: Next week with Billy Porter, the last of our special

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Speaker 1: guests for Gay Pride Month. Hey I'm gay, It's okay.

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Speaker 1: Peace out, bu