1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Hm, it's that time. Time time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Michael darry Show is on the air. 3 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: Juli Boys, my wife and I and my boys were 4 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: flying back from DC to Houston and the flight route 5 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: had us going over Carr County, and my wife commented 6 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 2: that there was. 7 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: A massive. 8 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: Mississippi River looking river where there shouldn't be a river 9 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: this big, and I didn't think much of it. We 10 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: got home, we got unpacked. We'd been up late that 11 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: night and there's flood We hear there's flooding central Texas. 12 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: We get up Saturday morning and our little ritual is 13 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: to we get several newspapers and we read the papers 14 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: and we you know, hey did you see this? And 15 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: did you see this? And it's a fun little bonding time. 16 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 2: We have our coffee and that's our thing. And here 17 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: was this awful flood that hit Kerk County. By this time, 18 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: maybe the night before, I had been hearing that at 19 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: Camp missed it. Obviously it's a girls camp. I have boys, 20 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: but I know what Camp Mystic is. It's it's almost legendary. 21 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: And in West Houston Memorial, those families especially, this is 22 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: a legacy institution. 23 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is this is why. Oh, 24 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: it's it's deep. 25 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: And so we knew we would know people there, and 26 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: we did not close personal friends or even have their 27 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: phone number. But my boys went to school with some 28 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: of the girls who passed, and so it was, it 29 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: was felt, it was, there was, There was a deep 30 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: connection between the community and what had happened in Central Texas. 31 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: It might as well have happened Entanglewood or Memorial for 32 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: that matter. And as this thing has developed, there is 33 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: there is, as there always is. There were a lot 34 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: of raw emotions because you've got you've got young ladies 35 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: who perished, you. 36 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: Have Cam't missed. 37 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: It gets most of the attention, but Kirk County and 38 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: there were other people who passed, but I want to 39 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: focus on Cam't misic this morning. And then there became, 40 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: as there naturally should be, questions, had Camp Mystic prepared 41 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: for flood that had a reasonable. 42 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: Likelihood of happening? 43 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: And then we find out, okay, well there was a 44 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: flood in eighty seven, had you know, had they taken precautions? 45 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: Had they done these things? 46 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: And so a very dear friend of mine for twenty 47 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: five years, Sean Welling, who's a filmmaker, came to me 48 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: and said, well, actually, my wife was jogging at Memorial 49 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: Park and Sean was jogging at Memorial Park and my 50 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: wife said, hey, this mystic thing is really bothering me. 51 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 2: I don't know why I don't have girls, but it's 52 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: just really bothering me. And he said me too, And 53 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: she said, you should make a film about it. This 54 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: is a story that should be told. These little girls 55 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: their parents sent them to camp and they never got 56 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: to see them again. And this is as awful as 57 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: I can imagine. And you're a good storyteller. So Sean 58 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: goes home and tells his wife, hey, I met Nandy 59 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: Deaberry and she said I should make a film about it. Well, 60 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: Shawn's wife we My wife did not know this when 61 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: she said it. Shawn's wife is her family is very 62 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: connected in Kirk County. 63 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: That's where she grew up. My wife had no idea 64 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: of that. 65 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: So Sean set out to tell the story, which every 66 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: good filmmaker should do. That's the point of this. It's 67 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: about telling the story so that it's known and understood, 68 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: and that means you've got to dredge up some emotions 69 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: and nobody should like nobody should like every bit of 70 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: your film if it's done right. So he came to 71 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: me and said, would you be associate producer? And I said, well. 72 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: We had long conversations and I finally I said yes. 73 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: And so Lee Majors of course is involved with the 74 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: project because Lee works with him on all his films. 75 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: And Tony Busby came in and very graciously wrote a 76 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: big check because the production. Sean has spent more time 77 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: on site in and around Camp Mystic than anybody since 78 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: July fourth. He got aggravated with that I wouldn't spend 79 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: more time on site and I said, Sean, I got 80 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: a show to do, and I can't. It's hard for 81 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: me to go back and forth because I only have 82 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: the break in between the two shows. But in any case, 83 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: Sean has lived on site practically since July fourth. He's 84 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: been there I forget twenty something times, and it is 85 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: he has invested a lot of emotion. And Sean and 86 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: I get into some very heated conversations because Sean is 87 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 2: of the opinion that the Eastlands did everything possible to 88 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: protect those girls, and that they love those girls and 89 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: they would never have let any harm come to them. 90 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: And my point is I don't know the Eastlands. I 91 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: only hear good things about the Eastlands. But it's very 92 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: important that we ask tough questions where there's simple things 93 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: that could have been done that weren't done, and if not, why, 94 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: And so we had a moment where we set up 95 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: to film something else and we got into this conversation 96 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: and it got rather heated, and at the end of 97 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: it he said, hey, would you mind if I use 98 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: that in the film? And then you have to immediately 99 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: rack your brain and say, well, did I say anything 100 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: I wouldn't want. 101 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: Because that's different. 102 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: Look, we were literally just having an argument, which I 103 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: find to be very healthy. 104 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: That's not for everybody, but in any case. 105 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: So then as this thing is developing, it was amazing 106 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: to me how many families we knew that were there 107 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: whose children did survive. One day, there was a there 108 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: was a heritage film that Chance McLain asked me to 109 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: come because I guess my name had come up in 110 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: a conversation and the family had hired Heritage Films to 111 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: make a heritage film, a legacy film about their daughter, 112 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: and their daughter had perished in the flood. And so 113 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: I arrived and you can imagine what There's a room 114 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: which was a little girl's playroom, and they were making 115 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: this heritage film in real time, you know, very shortly 116 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: after it, so her younger daughter would know, her younger 117 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: sister would know who her older sister was. When she 118 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: gets older, she could look back on they were capturing 119 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,119 Speaker 2: this moment. 120 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you something. It wasn't my 121 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: role to cry because these this family has cried out 122 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 1: and it's their home. It's not my daughter. 123 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: But my goodness, was this rough and Chance is sitting 124 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: in there and he's he's sitting Indian style with his 125 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: camera talking to these little girls. All her classmates came 126 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: in one by one. They told who she was and 127 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: what she meant to them. 128 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 129 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: So in any case, we have tried to wait a 130 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: while to go very deep into Camp Missing. But I 131 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: saw something that Glen Yankee posted yesterday. And Glen Yankee's 132 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: a name that I knew over twenty years ago when 133 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: he was an HPD officer. In fact, we'd worked on 134 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: some projects together while he was an HPD officer, And 135 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: it turns out he was working at Camp Missing, and 136 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: it turns out he saved some girls who were there, 137 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: and so I saw what he wrote yesterday and I said, hey, 138 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: would you hey a long time no talk? Would you 139 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: feel comfortable coming on the show. Then he said he would, 140 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: And so he will be our guest coming up in 141 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: what I find to be a very emotionally taxing promer. 142 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: I wish we didn't have to have this. So I 143 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: wish little girls didn't die. 144 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: I mean that would just I know that sounds native, 145 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: but I wish little girls didn't die. Lots of folks 146 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: send their kids off to summer camp one way or another, 147 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: sporting camp, social camp. And what if you send your 148 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: kid off and they don't come home. You can imagine 149 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: how upset you'd be. It happened in Texas July fourth 150 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: last year, at a famous place, historic place called Camp Mystic. 151 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: It's a complicated issue, not just a Texas issue. It 152 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: happens across the country. We are talking to the night 153 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: watchman who was on duty at that time, who I've 154 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: known for over twenty years. He is still there. They're 155 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: hoping to reopen at the end of May. His name 156 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: is Glenn Yankee, and he's our guest. 157 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: What kind of name is that? By the way, German? 158 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so as the flooding is rising, do you have 159 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: any at what point do you have an idea that 160 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: that this is deadly? This has gone from inconvenient to deadly? 161 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: What what? What do you have an idea of a 162 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 2: time of through the night that you that you realize. 163 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: That not at all. 164 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: Because I was focused on all these young ladies in 165 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: the cabin that I was in, I had no idea 166 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 3: of what occurred until the sun started rising. So I 167 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: have no idea. It happened so fast and we were 168 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: in submerged in water and floating. The girls were floating 169 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: on their mattresses. I had no idea of the time. 170 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: It's been a blur. I had tunnel vision on these 171 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: young ladies. I wanted to make sure you know. The 172 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: water was moving through the cabin swiftly. All the windows 173 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 3: were open, and oddly enough, not one window broke in 174 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: the cabin, but in the direction of the water changed. 175 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: I became very nervous because I didn't understand how that 176 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: could possibly be happening. Some of the young kids had 177 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 3: later told me that they heard an explosion, which could 178 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: have been the dining hall wall falling into the water. 179 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: It could have been the debris day and breaking. But 180 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: you know, we had no idea of the amount of destruction. 181 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: Although the flow of water was going by our cabin 182 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: between twenty and forty miles per hour. As I was 183 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 3: throwing out the trunks, the girls being very these big 184 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: trunks for camp and they're full of books and bibles 185 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: and clothes and all their necessities that they need for 186 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: thirty days, throwing those out of the throwing them out 187 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: into the flow, just to get them out because I 188 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: was getting hit by these big trunks and I didn't 189 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 3: want them to take out one of the kids. 190 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask some ignorant questions because obviously 191 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: I wasn't there. So this is all happening about what time? 192 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: What time is are you all in the cabin in 193 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: the water is flowing and you're starting. 194 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: To realize that this is this is potentially fatal. 195 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: You know. Again, I don't have an answer to that 196 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: because I wasn't looking at my clock. 197 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: But the ruffle. 198 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: I want to be. I want to say I brought 199 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: up the Polish staff earlier. They made it back through 200 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: a creek bed that's the roadways was wet because of 201 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: the rain, but they made it through at one, and 202 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: there's a video that the New York Times put up 203 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 3: at two fourteen that Bubblegum Creek slash Edmonson Creek was 204 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: flooding and there's about ten feet of water. So that's 205 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: how that's when we knew it started getting rough. At 206 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: two nineteen, the rain gage at Cantonistics said that four 207 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: point nine inches had fallen. And that's when we started 208 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: getting notice from bug Bug House that they came to 209 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: the office and let us know what's going on. But 210 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 3: it happened very quickly, so between I would stay between 211 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: two twenty and three. Actually, at two fifty eight am, 212 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: my fire radio I come ust say please because I 213 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 3: did please for so long. But my fire radio was 214 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: not working. So I actually text Chief Leepool and I said, Hey, 215 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 3: are you awake? And I didn't get a response. And 216 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: I didn't get a response from him until he got 217 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: dispatched and called out. 218 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: About three thirty five. 219 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: At three thirty six, Leepool texted me and said what, yes, 220 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: what's up? Well, I tried to call them, calls would 221 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: not go through. Nine Oner one calls would not go through. 222 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: It happened very quickly. The Volunteer Fire Department was dispatched 223 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 3: up to some calls at starting at three thirty six. 224 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: Even though the first call came from River End, which 225 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: is about a mile upstream from cat Mystic. The call 226 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,599 Speaker 3: was made nine one one and the manager there was 227 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 3: saying that they had water going over the dam, which 228 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: is not uncommon. But it would have been nice if 229 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: the county would have followed their procedures and let us 230 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: know about that, but they didn't. So the voluntary fire 231 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: department was dispatched. And I'm sure that you've seen I 232 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 3: don't know if you've seen records of this, but Leepool 233 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: actually called as a fire chief to dispatch and said, 234 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: I know, is there any way we can send a 235 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: code read out to our hunt residents? The Code RED 236 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: is an alerting system that you had that each citizen 237 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: of the Eric KIRKR County has to sign up for 238 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: to receive emergency notifications. He requested at four twenty two am, 239 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 3: you know I need a Code RED issued now. Well, 240 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: no one received that Code red for several forty five 241 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 3: minutes because they had to get a supervisor to approve 242 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: the code red. Now you would think common sense. Here 243 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: I go with common sense. You'd think that if a 244 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 3: fire chief calls in an emergency that they wouldn't have 245 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: to get a supervisor's permission, and Lee saw car suv 246 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 3: floating down the river and hit his audios out there 247 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: because he was on the phone with nine to one one. 248 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 3: My wife Melissa, did not receive an alert until five 249 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: o two am, and by then it was too late. 250 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: Okay, So y'all did not receive an alert, and you 251 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: never received an. 252 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: Alert I was in. So the curfew at cant Mystic 253 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 3: is one am, so all then and you get the counselors. 254 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: There's a handful to get a day off every other day. 255 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: And every councilor made it back by one am, which 256 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: was a release because we knew that it had been 257 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: raining east of Kirk County like in Fredericksburg, and some 258 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: of the girls might go home for the whole day, 259 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: go to Austin, go to Santo, and enjoy their time 260 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 3: their day off. And once the girls made it back, 261 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: I went down to do a last perimeter check, and 262 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: that was at one fourteen. I went out there about 263 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: one actually, and I was getting soaked wet because it 264 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 3: was raining. I was on the golf cart, and once 265 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: the perimeter's check I went back in. By that time, 266 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 3: they did issue a flood warning, but I did not 267 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 3: receive it. And they issue flood warnings frequently, and so 268 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: when you're used to living out here, there is very 269 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: especially now if there's a dark cloud the sky, they 270 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 3: have a flood watch. And I'm not I'm not exaggerating. 271 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: They're going way overboard on the on the weather alert, 272 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: someone was like crying. 273 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: Wolfs right, and that's what happened in New Orleans. But 274 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: I did not realize this area is known as flash 275 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: flood Alley. Until all of this, I didn't realize that 276 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: the flooding was was so common and so violent. I 277 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: want to go back the times you're giving me, how 278 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: you have specific times? Where is that record? 279 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: From? 280 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: That record is from me brainstorming. So of course, my 281 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: all football season long, okay, after the flood and all 282 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: off season long, I was very concerned about how this happened. 283 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: So I started doing my own lisk hold on, hold on, 284 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: Glen Yankee is our guest. 285 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: We're talking about Kip miss It coming up. Glen Yankee 286 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: is our guest. 287 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: He was the night watchman the night of July third 288 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: into July fourth, when the overnight flooding hit the campus 289 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: of Camp Mystic and the tragedy ensued, including the loss 290 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: of Dick Eastland, who, as I understand it, was in 291 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: the process of trying to save girls, some of whom perished, 292 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: including counselors, girls who were campers. Did you see Dick Eastlander? 293 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: What was the visibility overnight, Glenn? 294 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: Oh? I mean yeah, I was with Dick and Edward 295 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: early on, but before we went to break you asked 296 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: me about where did my timeline come from? Well, I 297 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: got to be honest. After after July fourth, my health 298 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 3: took I was completely devastated and what I had occurred. 299 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: I felt like I was we were let down as 300 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 3: residents of Kerr County by the county officials. And I 301 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: don't know if we know this. My heart broke. I 302 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: actually had to get a pacemaker in August. And I 303 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,239 Speaker 3: used to run marathons. I've been in good shape, take 304 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: good care of myself, but this was a heartbreaker and 305 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 3: was very difficult. So I started early on just trying 306 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: to write down times and I have a timeline. But 307 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: you know what, not one Planets attorney has asked for it, 308 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 3: not one criminal investigator has asked for it. When I 309 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: say criminal, there were twenty eight on to the deaths 310 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 3: that have occurred here at Camp Mistic because of catastrophic 311 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: flooding that hopefully the state will never see again. So 312 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: I started my own timeline just by looking at my 313 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: phone that. 314 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: A little girl held up out of the flood water. 315 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: So I did you know, no one's asked me that, 316 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 3: no one has asked me to give them as far 317 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: as state official. Yeah, So I did that on my own, 318 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 3: and because that's what I was trying to do. You know, 319 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: when the governor was here on the fifth and he 320 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 3: and nom, we're here, and he said, you know, we 321 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 3: shouldn't be pointing fingers. Well, you know what when someone 322 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 3: tells me that, that's exactly what I wanted to do. 323 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: I wanted to find out how could this have happened 324 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 3: because I was in such disbelief, you know, the strategy 325 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: and me. 326 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: Another one of the odd occurrences that that complicates this 327 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: whole thing is I think Arnold and it can powerhouse 328 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 2: plans attorney firm, planet Is Firm is the lead plaintiff. 329 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: I don't it's not a class action to my understanding, 330 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: but has several of the parents I don't think they've 331 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: made a class out of it necessarily, and it's big 332 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: enough to make a class. But but but Arnold's wife, Terra, 333 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: as you may know, was in the January plane crash 334 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: in New York and she was also an attorney there. 335 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: So they have had obviously some internal grief to deal with. 336 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: And I can't imagine that didn't delay. I can imagine 337 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: they got a continuance on every case they were already on, 338 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: and obviously that would. 339 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: Delay anything they're doing on this case. I believe they are. 340 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: What's that. 341 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 3: I'm very sorry that that happened to that lady who 342 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: pat Parish, But that was in January. This tragedy occurred 343 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 3: in July, I agree with August, September, October, November, December. 344 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: Nothing, No, I'm not These things move very slow. 345 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 2: I know that when we started the film, I got 346 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: a letter from them to retain all records just because 347 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: I am mentioned. I am listed on the film sure 348 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: as being an associate producer. And so I called Busby 349 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: because he's one of our investors, and I said, hey, 350 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: do I need to what should I do on here? 351 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything that doesn't He said, you 352 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: don't have to worry throw that away. But I know 353 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: that they have sent out their original documents and they 354 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: are they are part of that. Is it your intention? 355 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you had serious health problems. Is it 356 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: your intention to stay on indefinitely? Why go back after 357 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: everything you've been through? 358 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 3: Well, it's very healing for me to you know, I 359 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 3: was retired. I worked a little bit in Washington State 360 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 3: pre COVID. I was chief of police in Ingram, Texas, 361 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 3: right down the road for a little under a year. 362 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 3: And what happened on July fourth, and then my healing process. 363 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 3: I Voulder Crists Foundation is the great group that sent 364 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 3: me out to Big Bear, California, and I'd afford an 365 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: intensive post amatic growth. I see a counselor every other 366 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 3: week locally here. I was involved in a lot of 367 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: incidents in Houston that required me to see, you know, 368 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: a counselor, very stressful, and I'd forgotten all about those. 369 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 3: This tragic event brought it back. And the reason why 370 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 3: I'm here now is because my mission, Glen two point zero, 371 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: if you will, is to make sure this never happens 372 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 3: to any camphor in the state of Texas and the 373 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 3: knee jerk reaction that the state did with regard to 374 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: Heaven's twenty seven without any input from boots on the 375 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 3: ground and people who survived the flood. It's going to 376 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: knock some camps out of business. And Cypress Late Campustic 377 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: Cypress Lake is not going to be one of us 378 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: camps because we have the structure and we're going to 379 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: abide by the law, the knee jerk reaction law that 380 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 3: was designed without any input from actual survivors of the flood. 381 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: So let's go back to the question that I get 382 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: more often and that I ask, So, why not evacuate 383 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: the girls? If you said there wasn't a warning, Well, 384 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: so that's the first question, and you're going to be 385 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: asked that question. Why was there a Was there ever 386 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: a discussion to evacuate the girls. 387 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 3: We evacuated several of the cabins into wreck Hall and 388 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 3: those girls survived. I also followed the evacuation plan of 389 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 3: staying in the cabin. I mean evacuate doesn't necessarily mean 390 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 3: leave the site or go to higher ground. You've got 391 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: to understand, none of these home, none of these cabins 392 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 3: are in the floodplain. They it's been in existence since 393 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: nineteen twenty six. The Grand Flood of thirty two, no 394 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 3: water got anywhere near. So I'd love to invite you 395 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 3: to come out and see because if the Grand Flood 396 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 3: of thirty two, which there's no one around, but shows 397 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 3: that the water didn't get near that building. So that 398 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 3: was a refuge. And so no one alive has ever 399 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 3: seen anything like what happened on July fourth. I just 400 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 3: can't state that enough. 401 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: The water that was the wall of water. 402 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 3: That in the day of the cabin I was in 403 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: was not coming from the Guadalupe River, is coming from 404 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: Edmonson Creek, which is usually a dry creek, right, And 405 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: it was flash flooding. And you talked about flash flood 406 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: alley and Michael Watts showed a map. 407 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: Mystic is understanding, right. 408 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 3: He is a lawyer and he gave this. He gave 409 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: a showed a map of the state of Texas and 410 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: it goes all away from like bill Rio all the 411 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 3: way up through Austin, Dallas, Waco. That is flash flood 412 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: alley just based on the type of soil, so that 413 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 3: slash flood alley, it's not just exclusive to Kirk County, 414 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: it's it's flash flood alley. There's maps out there that 415 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 3: you can look at. 416 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just didn't realize these things that, you know, 417 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 2: these flash floods like this, and the rock and the 418 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 2: v crevices that they make, and how dangerous it could be. 419 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: I'm not opening as to whether that was a good 420 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: spot for a camp or an That is not my point. 421 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 2: I'm just saying I was unaware of so many many 422 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: things about this. I just kind of knew Camp Mystic 423 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: is this this wonderful, idyllic place where memories are made. 424 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: And you know, I know women in their thirties, forties, 425 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: fifties and above. I think Laura Bush is an alumnus 426 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: that talk about this as being such a special thing. 427 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: And in the case of Chloe Childress, and I think 428 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: there were others. You know, these girls that go through 429 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: this and then they go back as a as a 430 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: counselor because they're so connected to. 431 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 4: This experience and they want to be part of it. 432 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 4: Glen Yankee as our guests. We're talking Camp Mystic coming 433 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 4: up the Michael Barry Show. Glen Yankee as our guest. 434 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: He was the night watchman the July third overnight when 435 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: the July fourth flooding came in and Camp Mystic campers perished, 436 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 2: including the camp director, Dick Eastland, and other folks in 437 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 2: Kirk County in the worst flood that I recall in 438 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 2: my lifetime in the state of Texas, and the devastation 439 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 2: just absolutely awful, absolutely awful. Marcus Lttrell and his brother 440 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: Morgan went out as Navy seals and his rescue folks 441 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: to join a lot of other rescue folks, and the 442 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: stories he told me about, you know how difficult emotionally 443 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 2: this was. 444 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: It's just it's gut wrenching. 445 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: Glenn. 446 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: I told you I was going to ask you some 447 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: tough questions before the show was over, and I would 448 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: like to do that now. I'm trying to ask the 449 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 2: questions that come in that I'm trying to process this 450 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: as well as I can. 451 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: I guess the first. 452 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: One would be, it seems like simple life vests, one 453 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: vest per camper could have been stashed throughout the facility. 454 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: Was that not the case? And was that reasonable to do? 455 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: No? 456 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: Not reasonable? Not the case. 457 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 3: Wouldn't have helped. 458 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: Why is that it happened that fast? So you're saying 459 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: there wouldn't have been time to put a life vest On. 460 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 3: I'm saying if they put a lifefest on and they 461 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: would have and they were walking and walking in a 462 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 3: wall of water hit them, they would have been swept 463 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 3: away with lifevest On. I'm saying that that is not 464 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: you know, Scotta State. Camp Mystic had state inspectors out 465 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: on July second, twenty twenty five, two days before the flood, 466 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 3: and the state inspectors passed Camp Mystics plans. That is 467 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 3: why the state's getting sued by some of the plaintiffs. 468 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: So we complied with all the laws and we have 469 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 3: one hundred year history of being in a flood alley. 470 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 3: Flash flood alley goes from San Antonio, San Marcos, Austin, Temple, Waco, 471 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 3: and Dallas all the way up the whole state through 472 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: the middle of the state. That is flash flood alley. 473 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: It is not Kerr County. So I grew up in 474 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: San Antonio and then the you know lived in Houston, 475 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 3: San Antonio in June of twenty five, had thirteen fatalities 476 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 3: on June twelfth, ten years prior, in Wemberley, water rows 477 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 3: forty one feet over Interstate thirty five in San Marcus. 478 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: This is not uncommon And what has the state done 479 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 3: to protect the citizens of the state that live in 480 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: slash flood Alley? 481 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: What should the state have done? Well? 482 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: It would have been nice if the state spend a 483 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 3: little bit of money on, you know, better weather systems. 484 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I'd love to know when the last time 485 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: Upper Wadaliope River Authority, you know, change the batteries and 486 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 3: the rain gages that weren't working. I love to, you know, 487 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 3: see all this information that should be public information. But 488 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: yet you know, no one's broadcasting that out. 489 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 2: Okay, So I think the weather system said there's a 490 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: mass If they had been able to say predict with 491 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: absolute certainty, hey, massive flood coming, what would have been 492 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: a And by the way, you were the night watch 493 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: when I'm not blaming you, what would you believe? 494 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: No? No, no, I if we I would say that if 495 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: kirk County had notified, can't mystic of a nine to 496 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 3: one one call stating a flood is coming that fifteen 497 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: minutes you and I wouldn't be on the radio right now. 498 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: Why what would you have done? What would y'all have 499 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: been able to do? 500 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 3: Well, I'm doing what everybody else is doing. I'm what 501 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 3: iffing it what if William dub Thomas, the emergency coordinator, 502 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 3: had actually done drills with the camps. He was the 503 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 3: emergency coordinator for Kirk County. He hasn't come out here 504 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: at all. His training records were blank. 505 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: Well, I understand, but it strikes me that there was 506 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: no high ground on the property to which you could 507 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: we are. 508 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: On high ground, We're not in the we're not in 509 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: the hun flood. 510 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: It strikes me that there was nowhere you could have 511 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: gone to be if you were on campus. The people 512 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 2: who were on campus were I don't know, I'm asking 513 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: would have died. Well, let me ask you why did 514 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 2: some people die and some people did. 515 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: I don't have the answer to that question is. 516 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: Located when the water came through. 517 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 3: I was basically I don't know where. I know where 518 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: Dick was and his vehicle. He was in his vehicle 519 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: trying to I believe this is me speculating, trying to 520 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: get girls out from bubble in, and all those girls perished, 521 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: and Dick was found south of the property in the 522 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 3: Guadalupe with his vehicle upside down with several other children. 523 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: But I'm saying that the timing, I mean, I'm sure 524 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 3: Marcus Latrell. I know that they were out here. I 525 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 3: didn't get a chance to meet them, but a good 526 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 3: classmate friend of mine, David Alexander, tried to hook me 527 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: up with them so I could walk them through the property, 528 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: but it just didn't work out. They were leaders that 529 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: came out here to see to get the story out 530 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: and the stories. You know, I'm preaching it right now 531 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 3: because no one's asked me, and that's why I'm grateful. 532 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 3: That's you. 533 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: You should have been asked before. 534 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I agree, have them and honestly, you could 535 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 2: have died in between, and then we don't have your perspective. 536 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: That should have been recorded as soon after the event. 537 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: You could have moved, you could have anything could have happened. So, Glenn, 538 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: just so I understand, and I do want to come 539 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 2: see the facility. 540 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: Just so I understand. 541 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: The deaths were located at the bubble end, so that 542 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: particular piece of the property took took it worse than 543 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: other pieces of the property, of other parts of the property. 544 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: Is that fair to say, No. 545 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 3: That's not fair to say. Because a wall of water 546 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 3: cancer is the entire camp. Okay, a wall of water 547 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: ting and so there's three cabins in a row bubble 548 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 3: ends giggle Bocks and wiggle In. I helped the girls 549 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: and giggle Bocks get up to a higher ground very 550 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 3: quickly I got trapped in biggle In with the girls 551 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 3: that survived those two cabins are all three in a 552 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: row bubble Land did not make it out because the 553 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: incident was so fast. I just cannot reiterate how fast 554 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 3: the water came. 555 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: I can't imagine. I cannot imagine having lived through this 556 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: and the trauma, especially with little girls. I just cannot imagine. 557 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: As the storm is coming. As I understand it, you 558 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: were rescuing girls. Dick Ea Stlim was rescuing girls. So 559 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 2: there was some movement of placing people in different locations 560 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: to try to save them. 561 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, Yeah, we did move successfully a good portion 562 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 3: of the girls that were on the flats. There's the 563 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 3: camps divided in the two areas Senior Hills where the 564 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: older capers go and the flats is closer to the office, 565 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: closer to the dining hall, out of the flood plaine, 566 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 3: and so we did move some of the girls through 567 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 3: which the water had never been in ever. And it 568 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: was built in nineteen twenty seven or twenty eight. I 569 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 3: forget which the girls when I dropped, when they walked in, 570 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 3: they were on the ground level. In the morning when 571 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 3: the floodwater repeated and I was able to take wigg 572 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 3: Land girls over to the rec hall, all the kids 573 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 3: were on the second floor, which is only eighteen sixteen. 574 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,719 Speaker 3: I mean the water was lapping on the second floor 575 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 3: where water had never been in that building ever since 576 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 3: it was built. And thank god that building was built 577 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 3: when it was, because they don't build, don't like that anymore. 578 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 3: They talk about other folks. Jane Baxdelle, she passed away 579 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 3: in the flood. Her campus heard up the hills with 580 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 3: empty which is a blessing because it. 581 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: Would have been named for right Glenmianki, thank you for 582 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: your candor, thank you for being there for those girls. 583 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 2: I have no doubt that there are girls who are 584 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: alive today because because of your efforts. And I want 585 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: you to know you are free and invited, welcome and 586 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 2: then some to come back on our show at any time. 587 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: If there's something you don't feel you answered the way 588 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: you would like to answer it, or you did not 589 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 2: get to you have an open invitation to come back. 590 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: On our show anytime. 591 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that, and I really do appreciate you 592 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 3: letting me not vent, just get some facts out there. 593 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 3: And you know, I have a timeline that I'm going 594 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 3: I want to share, but no one's asked me any questions. 595 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 3: That's the trouble. 596 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: I think that'll change very soon. 597 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 4: Els, thank you, and good night.