WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Calling All Leaders

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Nick Shot

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<v Speaker 1>screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nicky Spagnola, and it is time for another edition

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<v Speaker 1>of Mick Shots. I am Bill Jones with the great

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<v Speaker 1>Everson Walls, future Hall of Famer Everson Balls, I might add,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nicky Spagnola. We are one week down, just over

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<v Speaker 1>three weeks to go now before the Cowboys kick off

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<v Speaker 1>this twenty twenty regular season at the Los Angeles Rams.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you guys doing this morning? I'm doing great,

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here at the start watch practice at the Ford

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<v Speaker 1>Center and ready to take some shots today. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>how about you? Ever soon? I am feeling good. I

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<v Speaker 1>have your optimism today, Bill, Everything is about Cowboys. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>is about the season getting going, and we are looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to the super Bowl. Where's your hat? That's where's

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<v Speaker 1>your super Bowl hat? I tried? I need to get.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the Super Bowl is going to be carried

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<v Speaker 1>on CBS once again this year, and so I hate

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<v Speaker 1>to get my CBS super Bowl hat. Get ready, to

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<v Speaker 1>make the trip to Tampa. We're ready, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Pearson maybe making the trip to Tampa as some

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<v Speaker 1>big news for him. We'll get into over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the next hour, and that moves to make you,

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<v Speaker 1>That moves Everson one step closer to getting into kid today.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely should right. You never know how those wheels turn

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<v Speaker 1>up there in Canton, but I think Everson should be

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely next. And I was gonna be hesitant to bring

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<v Speaker 1>it up because I didn't know if Everson would be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting in and I'm not. No, no, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you guys. I love me some Drew, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody does. I mean, that's that's why he was the

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was the only senior nominee this year,

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<v Speaker 1>because to me, that's just making up a lost time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a makeup call in basketball. They know they

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have done it, and they're trying to go back

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<v Speaker 1>and and reverse their mistakes. So good job by the

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame committee. Yeah, it's almost like they cleared

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<v Speaker 1>the table off. It's like, let's not confuse this right

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<v Speaker 1>and have two or three nominees. We're gonna have one

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<v Speaker 1>and get it right, and uh, and so by being

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<v Speaker 1>the lone senior finalist, that's when you know somebody screw

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Place a Saturday before the Super Bowl in

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<v Speaker 1>February sixth in Tampa, and you have to get eighty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the vote, a virtual shoe in. And what's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting about it is the fact that course is back

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<v Speaker 1>in January, we all saw Drew was so emotional when

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<v Speaker 1>he did not get the call, and he got the

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<v Speaker 1>call from David Baker earlier this week. And now, oddly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>with this pandemic, Jimmy's going in next year the actual

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<v Speaker 1>induction ceremony Cliff Harris as well. So as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>if Drew gets voted in on February sixth, he'll go

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<v Speaker 1>in with everybody else, just like he got as if

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<v Speaker 1>he would have been and voted in back in January

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<v Speaker 1>a Cowboys jamboree in Capton, Ohio. Absolutely see that the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic is the great It's the great equalizer. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>that pandemic was, all right, it was a great equalizer.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I love it. Everything turned out well.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk more about that over the course of the

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<v Speaker 1>next hour and take your comments on it as well,

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<v Speaker 1>but Mickey, we had a practice once again this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a Mike McCarthy press conference at seven to

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen am, and you took it all in. Give us

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<v Speaker 1>an update. What you know from Cowboys practice this morning. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they did a split location practice, I should say, did

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<v Speaker 1>the individual drills outdoors on the grass field and then

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<v Speaker 1>when they went into the team period, they moved inside

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<v Speaker 1>to the Ford Center. So not sure why he split

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<v Speaker 1>it like that. I don't know if he's getting paranoid

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<v Speaker 1>of people watching the team practice outdoors with all the

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<v Speaker 1>construction going on, or what the deal is. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they had practice indoors the previous day and then they

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<v Speaker 1>did half and half today, so individual drills and then

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<v Speaker 1>really do working hard indoors on two minute drill hurry

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<v Speaker 1>up offense. They've done that now for the past couple

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<v Speaker 1>days and it's been pretty exciting to watch. They did

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<v Speaker 1>have a couple I don't know if I should call

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<v Speaker 1>a minor injuries. Jordan Lewis left as soon as they

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<v Speaker 1>started to practice indoors. Looked like he got tangled up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of an ankle. Maybe U Tyrant Smith

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<v Speaker 1>left during individual drills, So I'm not sure what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on there. And as for updates on Everson Griffin,

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<v Speaker 1>he was in uniform but really didn't do much, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when they went to team He and Don Terry Poe

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<v Speaker 1>who's now aff off of Pope Pop. Basically during the

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<v Speaker 1>team sessions they were just watching so pretty spirited practice,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought Cedric Wilson kind of put his hand

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<v Speaker 1>up in the air and said, hey, don't forget about me.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody talks about the first three wide receivers, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had himself quite a day to day during the day.

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<v Speaker 1>You go there, you go, good stuff, good stuff. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems weird. The cowboys go from from Forest Lane over

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<v Speaker 1>but by Hamilton Park where I grew up, Bill, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what that was. And they were always worried about

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<v Speaker 1>being spied on from the hotel the day's in which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, have the two stories and we had the

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<v Speaker 1>little six foot fence, so they would always spy on

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<v Speaker 1>our practices. The cowboys have gone all the way from

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<v Speaker 1>Forest Lane h to Frisco and they still might have

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<v Speaker 1>that same concern. So just think about how weird that is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one thing you got to think about. Hey, Everson,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what the other night I saw a special

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<v Speaker 1>on the news and it was about Hamilton Park and

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that grew grew up there, went to school

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<v Speaker 1>at the elementary school and now he's the assistant principal

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<v Speaker 1>at the elementary school there in Hamilton Park. So they

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<v Speaker 1>gave me a little history lesson of where you grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and and that's you can you can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of surmise from the from the special just how proud

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<v Speaker 1>we were as a people. Uh. It was really when

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<v Speaker 1>they talked about a project, they talked about the development

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<v Speaker 1>of African Americans. Hamiltons Park is like no other h

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<v Speaker 1>I was able to deal with gil Brant, Tech Shram, Hollywood, Henderson,

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Pearsons. I was able to deal with all of

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<v Speaker 1>those different personalities on the football field because when I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Hamilton Park, we had every type of

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<v Speaker 1>person that you ever wanted to come across, rich, poor, intelligent, crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was like a sociology project and that that

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<v Speaker 1>got me ready for the craziness that was up there

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<v Speaker 1>at the forest Land and Agents back in the day

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<v Speaker 1>twin sixties hotel as well. Yeah, I didn't realize it

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<v Speaker 1>was a planned neighborhood and that was where they allowed

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the black folks to be able to live

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<v Speaker 1>within the city limits. It seemed like returning World War

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<v Speaker 1>Two veterans and also Korean War veterans as well. That

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<v Speaker 1>was what it was for. I don't know how this

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<v Speaker 1>black doctor pulled it off to buy this primo land

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<v Speaker 1>on the north side of Dallas. They've been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>boot us off that hill ever since. We're still hanging

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<v Speaker 1>in there. We're still hanging in there. It was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So well. Making one note about practice today, Everson Griffin

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<v Speaker 1>has worked his way around to wearing his customary number

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven or the Cowboys. Originally he was believing gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be ninety six. He's now ninety seven. Tristan Hill has

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<v Speaker 1>switched to seven. What is the seventy two seventy two,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two, yes, and Neville Gallimore moved to ninety six. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So for those of you keeping track at home,

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<v Speaker 1>that that is your roster, update your Nu Miracle roster,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can now update that on your respective computers.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's talk about the news of the week to

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<v Speaker 1>kick things off. And of course it was the first

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<v Speaker 1>practice in Pads on Monday about forty five minutes into

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<v Speaker 1>the practice, Gerald McCoy goes down with a ruptured right

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<v Speaker 1>quadriceps tendon. Had surgery the next day. Cowboys release him

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<v Speaker 1>the next day, and as it turns out, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a quad injury in fact, not just a quad injury,

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<v Speaker 1>but a right quad injury clause in his contract, and

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<v Speaker 1>so he gets his signing bonus, but the Cowboys are

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<v Speaker 1>off the hook for the re Yeah. As pretty savvy

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<v Speaker 1>contract the Cowboys put together. So when he took his

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<v Speaker 1>original uh physical uh it when it checked out, they

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<v Speaker 1>saw a pre pre existing condition with the right quadricept.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the contract, uh, they put a clause in

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<v Speaker 1>there that said, if something happens with the right quadricep

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<v Speaker 1>tendon or anything related to the right quadricept, that the

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<v Speaker 1>contract basically becomes null and void. And the only money

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<v Speaker 1>that we're guaranteeing him that he will receive was the

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<v Speaker 1>three million dollars signing bonus, So any other guarantees the

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<v Speaker 1>per roster game played guarantee uh salary cap that all

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<v Speaker 1>went away. So the Cowboys ended up putting four point

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<v Speaker 1>seven five million back into the cap for this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Now his charge on the three million dollars signing bonus

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<v Speaker 1>will be spread over two years. One million dollars this year,

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<v Speaker 1>two million dollars in dead money next year. So obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they saw something when he signed here in Bill and

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<v Speaker 1>ever since, I was just wondering maybe that's the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why the Cowboys were able to sign him when you

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<v Speaker 1>know other teams maybe backed off, is that they were

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<v Speaker 1>willing to gamble the three million dollars to bring him aboard,

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<v Speaker 1>where maybe other teams weren't. You know, we had we

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<v Speaker 1>had said originally, and there was probably something to this

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<v Speaker 1>that he wanted to get closer to his son, who

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be a freshman at Oklahoma on scholarship,

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<v Speaker 1>and that may have had something to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it also maybe he didn't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people knocking on his door because of the pre existing

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<v Speaker 1>condition with his quad. And I'm sure man, as as

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<v Speaker 1>things went on, I'm sure he wasn't looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>this type of scenario just so happened to Cowboy has

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<v Speaker 1>anticipated it, and I'm sure it was no big secret

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<v Speaker 1>as well, Like you said, spacts, that's why no one

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<v Speaker 1>was signing him at the time they put that clause in.

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<v Speaker 1>They were willing to eat the three million plus if

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<v Speaker 1>that was to happen. I think it's kind of sad though,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it. I thought we saw some some good

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<v Speaker 1>things that were going to happen. We could we could

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<v Speaker 1>foresee some good things that we were hoping that would

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<v Speaker 1>happen with McCoy. It would have been nice to see

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<v Speaker 1>him in that uniform and play out the season and

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<v Speaker 1>see just what he could do for us. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>when it's all said and done, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>consolation prize that he does. He is able to get

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<v Speaker 1>the money and able to stay down here with his son.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is kind of what I spoke about last show, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>This pace that we're dealing with in regards to the season,

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<v Speaker 1>in regard us to no preseason games, in regards to

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<v Speaker 1>the accelerated pace on getting this team ready. These injuries

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<v Speaker 1>are going to wreak havoc on the Cowboy roster and

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<v Speaker 1>we may go into the season with some very odd

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<v Speaker 1>combinations when it comes to the roster itself. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very curious to see how the Cowboy coaching staff and

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<v Speaker 1>the training staff is going to deal with all of

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<v Speaker 1>these different injuries coming and with the accelerated pace that

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<v Speaker 1>they're dealing with. It's going to be an odd combination

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<v Speaker 1>for the team to deal with, more so, of course

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<v Speaker 1>than a regular season. When you're dealing with this accelerated

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<v Speaker 1>pace and the COVID thing going on, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>like juggling balls. Really, it's gonna be like a juggling

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<v Speaker 1>act for the coaching staff and the training staff. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand, I agree with it. I agree with you

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<v Speaker 1>on that, And they've done a pretty good job so

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<v Speaker 1>far because if it's a two hour practice, the first

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<v Speaker 1>hour is all special teams and individual drills, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>really minimal contact. And the unfortunate thing of this one

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<v Speaker 1>was it was during the individual drills where all they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing was coming off the ball, uh and having

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<v Speaker 1>another defensive lineman across from the other guy and just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of acting like he's an offensive lineman. Uh. And unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>when when Antoine Woods came off and it happened, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we were watching from the Quarterback club in the Cowboys Club.

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<v Speaker 1>It was right below and he stepped on his foot.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I thought happened. It looked like he stepped

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<v Speaker 1>on his foot, exact foot and when he went back.

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<v Speaker 1>You got three hundred pounds standing out on one of

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<v Speaker 1>your your feet and it and it ruptured the tendon

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<v Speaker 1>in his quad. So it was kind of a weird one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It wasn't like sprinting down field or pushing

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<v Speaker 1>off and trying to tackle somebody. And they haven't done

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<v Speaker 1>that yet, by the way, either there's been no tackling.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been bumping. As a matter of fact, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Smith today. It was a running play by the

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<v Speaker 1>sideline and he nailed the running back out and knocked

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<v Speaker 1>him out of bounds. And then when the guy got up,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, it's twenty not twenty one, so it's okay. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, one thing that we talk about. These are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much non contact drills that we're talking about once

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<v Speaker 1>the season starts. Yes, oh my goodness, I cannot wait

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<v Speaker 1>to see the injury report after the first ball game,

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<v Speaker 1>after a full contact after all the intensity. The guys

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to hold everything for the first game, trying

0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:53.640
<v Speaker 1>to hold it in. The injury list for after the

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<v Speaker 1>first game is going to be so long and so confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be it's gonna be a trip well, as

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<v Speaker 1>is the case as is the case every year, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>early in training camp there's always a lot of injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>And the ACL count as of about twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 1>ago across the league was I believe at eight. Normally,

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<v Speaker 1>one doctor said that they in a typical NFL season,

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<v Speaker 1>you have fifty ACL injuries across the league. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we are one week into this and there as of

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday there were eight ACL injuries across the league. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, Everson, teams aren't going necessarily full speed

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<v Speaker 1>all the time at all right now, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>the hitting hasn't started or anything like that, and so uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's and it's going to be interesting this year, as

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<v Speaker 1>you say, because they did not have the typical offseason

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<v Speaker 1>to see how many more injuries if if indeed, we

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<v Speaker 1>do have more injuries as we go along. What about

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way, I'm monitoring, of course, we're streaming

0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.600
<v Speaker 1>as usual on periscope. I'm monitoring par scope. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you have any comments and he questions, I can pass

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<v Speaker 1>them along to Mickey and Everson here. But what about

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<v Speaker 1>what do the Cowboys do now? With McCoy out. I

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<v Speaker 1>think one of the not only his ability on the field,

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<v Speaker 1>but his presence in the locker room is something that

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to really miss. You know, if you know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about Gerald McCoy, you know that he has such

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<v Speaker 1>a positive outlook on life. It was evident even as

0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.920
<v Speaker 1>he posted videos from his hospital bed prior to surgery

0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.879
<v Speaker 1>and after surgery, he says that he still wants to

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<v Speaker 1>be a mentor to these young defensive linemen that he

0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.080
<v Speaker 1>had established a relationship with. Even though now he can't

0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.280
<v Speaker 1>go in the building because he's been released by the team,

0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.240
<v Speaker 1>He's still gonna connect with them. But how do the

0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys offset the loss because they were counting on Gerald

0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.800
<v Speaker 1>McCoy to be a big part of this team. Yeah, Billy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we talked about that previously, about his influence

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<v Speaker 1>in the locker room. They will miss that because I

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<v Speaker 1>think those young guys were filing him, especially Tristan Hill,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and Neville Gallimore. What a great example, what a

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<v Speaker 1>great personality mentor for those guys. And you know, always

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<v Speaker 1>felt like a guy like Tristan Hill really needed that

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<v Speaker 1>after he kind of had a washout rookie season. But

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<v Speaker 1>he seems to have turned things around a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>His body looks better, his enthusiasm looks better. Uh. And

0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.080
<v Speaker 1>when they're going out there and uh, you know he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's taken the place uh in a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the snaps of Gerald McCoy, and so has uh Tyrone Crawford. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And so between those two guys and Gallimore, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to fill that spot. And it made me takes

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<v Speaker 1>three guys to do it. And I always thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be a rotation position there anyway that

0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, McCoy wasn't gonna play five to fifty five

0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.840
<v Speaker 1>snaps a game that they would try to get some

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<v Speaker 1>young guys in there. Now if they earn it, they're

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<v Speaker 1>getting every opportunity to do. So. Now we're gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>what you got, Tristan Hill. We're gonna see what you

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<v Speaker 1>got Neville Gallimore. And if those guys, you know, don't

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<v Speaker 1>don't grab some snaps, then Tyrone Crawford's gonna be your

0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:21.800
<v Speaker 1>three technique, especially on first and second downs. And if

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<v Speaker 1>they go to Nickel, I wouldn't be surprised. Look, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got some big defensive ends, right, Alden Smith is two eighty,

0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Joe Jackson's two eighty five. Those guy and Jackson rush

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<v Speaker 1>some from inside you know, those guys can easily move

0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.800
<v Speaker 1>inside and create some problems. And then you got Antoine

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Woods at the nose tackle position. Don Terry. Poe hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>practiced yet, so I'll be interested to see if if

0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.480
<v Speaker 1>you know a little bit about Antoine. Right, he's not

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<v Speaker 1>a give up guy, so I'm sure he's thinking, Okay,

0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.560
<v Speaker 1>you brought in Poe, but I'm gonna fight for my snaps.

0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:09.119
<v Speaker 1>And when you look at the roster, the core of

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<v Speaker 1>this team, they all seem to be around the same

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<v Speaker 1>age and also the same temperament. You look at the

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<v Speaker 1>offensive lineman, you don't really have an outspoken guy on

0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.359
<v Speaker 1>the offensive linement. I think Looney might have been one

0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:26.280
<v Speaker 1>of the more charismatic guys on the old line. You're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the quarterback position, running back position, D line,

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<v Speaker 1>no one really stands out as that boisterous player. You're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing a guy like Everson Griffin who's really not that boisterous.

0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.600
<v Speaker 1>He's just a guy that does work as best he can.

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<v Speaker 1>But I didn't I don't even call him being that

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<v Speaker 1>vocal leader they're going to have to rely on. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know either one person who's going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>step up and be that person that inspires you. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Woods would be that guy. But for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone on that team seems to have the same temperament.

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<v Speaker 1>No one seems to step out as that person that's

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<v Speaker 1>unusually boisterous or that vocal leader. It would be nice

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<v Speaker 1>to keep McCoy around, but like you said, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>come to the practice field anymore. But it would be

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<v Speaker 1>nice to hit for him sometime in the future, to

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<v Speaker 1>be that voice for the team in the locker room.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a team full of players that are almost of

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<v Speaker 1>the same temperament. I think that's why when things start

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<v Speaker 1>to go wrong in the ballgame, you really don't see

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of urgency coming from any particular player. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have that Michael Irvin or that Dare's Brian over there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to you know, punch it at the

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<v Speaker 1>air and getting people fired up. I think they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to need that person. Yeah, you need someone. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>would be coach McCarthy. He can go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>fill a red flag at a referee and hit him

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<v Speaker 1>in the face and then that might inspire some people.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't have that on the team right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope they can. They can find someone that can

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<v Speaker 1>inspire them verbally in that way. Wheneverson brought up the

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<v Speaker 1>makeup call earlier in the show, I was thinking, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they sure didn't have a makeup call for two technical

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<v Speaker 1>files on a basketball player. That's exactly right. And I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just add this. I know we have to we have

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<v Speaker 1>to go to break. But one of the guys that

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<v Speaker 1>has become more vocal now that he's at middle life,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, hold on, hold on, Mickey, hold on, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's tease that. Let's tease that. I want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you after this. Yes, let's take a break

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<v Speaker 1>and we will let you know who Mickey thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>vocal guy who will step up and Gerald McCoy's absence

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<v Speaker 1>The Cowboys have wrapped up another day of practice. They're

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<v Speaker 1>in meetings and probably have a walk through this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure exactly what the schedule is the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, but that's typically the way it works.

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<v Speaker 1>As yesterday, it wasn't a day off for the players.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a day off as far as practice goes,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did have meetings and walk throughs and then

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<v Speaker 1>they'll pray practicing again tomorrow morning. And Mickey, as we

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<v Speaker 1>went to break, Everson was talking about the loss of

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<v Speaker 1>Gerald McCoy and who's going to replace Gerald as that

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<v Speaker 1>vocal leader that we anticipated that Gerald might be a

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<v Speaker 1>part of. Who do you have in mind as a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's going to step up in that capacity. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about in the locker room, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it on the field already. And that guy that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of taken charge of that defense is Layton Vanderish.

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<v Speaker 1>They moved him. They've moved him to the middle linebacker spot.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's getting the call, the defensive call from Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Nolan in his helmet, relaying it to the rest of

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the team. So that doesn't make you a leader. I

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<v Speaker 1>could go out there and relay the call probably if

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<v Speaker 1>I could remember it all right. I know you're not

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<v Speaker 1>trying to compare yourself to Layton Listen. No, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>comparing myself to relay in the call. Anybody can do that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I see him being more vocal of getting guys

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<v Speaker 1>lined up, making checks at the line of scrimmage or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they need to do. And he's talked about how

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<v Speaker 1>he feels like he's a little bit more in charge

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<v Speaker 1>now that he's at the middle linebacker spot. So from

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<v Speaker 1>an on field presence, look for him to kind of

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>be that guy being more vocal. Uh. And then if

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<v Speaker 1>you need the emotion, I guarantee it, you can get

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 1>it from either one of those defensive ends, from either

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>DeMarcus Lawrence. Uh. And from what I've heard of Everson

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Griffin probably him as a matter of fact, guys, he

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw where he was doing his interview today

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<v Speaker 1>while we were getting going uh. And Rob Rob Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out that Griffin talked about the Cowboys being his

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<v Speaker 1>favorite team growing up, and we talked about this last

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<v Speaker 1>week we beat him to the punch uh and said

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<v Speaker 1>he was named after the great Everson Walls. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>talks about it in his best conference today. Yes he did,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, he talks like that, but then he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what position I played, So I'm kind of disappointed.

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<v Speaker 1>Safety a linebacker. He said safety linebacker or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So he didn't name himself. It was his dad. That's okay.

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.479
<v Speaker 1>When I talk to him, I'm gonna be wagging my

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 1>finger in his face like some old dude. We're gonna

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have to get you two together, right, Yeah, well, Mickey,

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>we need to get them together on this show. That's

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 1>your assignment for you, I mean appreciate it is to

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>get Everson Griffin on with Everson Walls so he can

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.639
<v Speaker 1>go down memory lank all right. On the topic of

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the vocal leader, Everson, who on your teams was? I mean,

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>we know who the big personalities were, but who are

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the real locker room leaders on those teams that you

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>played on. You know, when you start talking about locker

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 1>room leaders, that's one thing. I happened to be one

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>of those locker room lawyers. I don't know if the

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>leader and lawyer going the same category as for us

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>coaches are concerned, but we've all we had a team

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 1>full of veterans and one guy that I really enjoyed

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>listening to and he was my mentor. Was both of

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>them have to be dbs. Actually, Dennis Thurman and Charlie Waters.

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Charlie Waters was just my own personal cheerleader because he

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure I made as many plays as

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>possible because he's playing on one leg back there, so

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>he need as much help as possible. But he was

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 1>a guy that was always in the coach's ear, always

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>doing those things behind the scenes to make the scheme,

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the defensive scheme morecompatible to the team that we were

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>playing against. That's what I liked about Charlie. You know,

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>coaches will go out there and they'll have an idea

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>of what's best for the players. You need a player

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 1>to say what's best for the players, and Charlie was

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 1>that guy. Dennis Thurman also was a guy that that

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>followed in that same suit. Wanted to make sure that

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>the players were in the best position to make plays

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>in this difficult flex defense that we had to deal with.

0:29:56.400 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>So those two guys were always those locker room leaders.

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>But when it came down to it, unfortunately back then

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you had a lot of people that were afraid to

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>speak up because you know, the cowboy locker room back

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>then was a little bit rigid, a little bit more

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>rigid as far as the owners were concerned, as far

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>as the coach was concerned. So we had to we

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>had to. We had to find our leaders in some

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>obscure places. And those two guys were the ones that

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>really inspired me. Now, if you want to talk about

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>guys like Harvey Martin who was always fired up, he

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>was just an engine within himself. Randy White was the

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>same way, but just don't get in his way because

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>he knocked the hell out of YouTube as a teammate.

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>So you had all kinds of ways that people inspired

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>each other and inspired their teammates. But this team was

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more rigid than the team that we're

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about right now. Yeah, they didn't have many present

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>day terms. Sean Lee would be a guy today in

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the latter stages of his career for what Charlie Waters

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 1>was to you in the latter stages of his career

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 1>back when you came into the league in the early eighties. Uh.

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>And so there needs to be like a Layton vander Esha,

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Jalen Smith, DeMarcus Lawrence. So that type of guy who's

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 1>in the in the Pro Bowl portion of their career

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 1>where they can be big time leaders they're playing every

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>play and and uh, you know, on Everson's team, while

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, you have to kind of define leader. But

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have a lot of shy guys in that

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 1>locker room, right. Uh. You know he mentioned Randy White.

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I could still hear the booming voice of John Dutton.

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Uh forgot he was not shy, right. Uh. Eugene Lockhart,

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't call him shy either. Uh. So, yeah, they

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 1>had some characters in that locker room. For sure. I

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>thought we were ray. But when it came to inspiration, Bill,

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't inspire you as much as they would put

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the fear of God in you if you didn't make

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>them play. So that was the difference. But don't you

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>think that that teams that are successful you have to

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>have a collection of guys like that that are big personalities. Yes,

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 1>you do. And the fact that they were veterans, they

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>were already there, they had already gone through so much.

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 1>A couple of them had already been through more than

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>one Super Bowl. So yes, you had a lot of

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>people that you could look up to in regards to inspiration,

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 1>but it was up to you to find that inspiration.

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 1>They weren't going to throw it out there for you.

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, the inspiration they gave you came through

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>threats to your physical body. Well, and just think about

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the wide receiving corps on that team, and it relates

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to today's wide receivers. You know, when you got Drew Pearson,

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Tony Hill and Butch Johnson and your wide receiving cord,

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>they're not lacking for confidence, No, absolutely not. And and

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and these top three guys, um and we'll see where

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Cedee Lamb goes. I mean he's a rookie. But Gallop

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>uh and Marie Cooper I said last year, they're the

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>unwide receivers because they're very humble. Uh, they're not boisterous.

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh now they're they're confident in themselves, but they're not

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 1>what we're used to seeing with cowboy wide receivers. Yes,

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I cannot compare those three guys to any of the

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>receivers that we've had going back to even Michael Irving.

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 1>But Drew Piers and Tony Hill and Buss Johnson you

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>have more in fighting than you did have. Uh you know,

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Coop by y'all moments, so to speak. So uh so

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>it was it was, it was, it was It was

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 1>lively for the reporters back then. All you had to

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>do was say one buzzword. You get him fired up,

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and you have you have a story. They throwing Jay

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Saldi at tight end. He was the best interviews on

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the team. He and Tony Dorset wasn't shy either. By

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the way, Let's let's just keep going and keep I

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.880
<v Speaker 1>keep bringing up I keep bringing up guys in that

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 1>quadrant where Everson Walls lived. Once they they moved out

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 1>to Valley Ranch. Hey, And one thing Ron Ron said

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:32.879
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't make it to Valley Ranch. He wasn't loud.

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>He said, I'll never make it to Valley rasum and

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about and I thought this was interesting. Mike Nolan

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>did his interview yesterday and he was talking about Alden Smith. UH.

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>And one of the things UH, he pointed out, he

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 1>goes number one. I like Alden Smith's interaction with the

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>other players, to be honest with you, He's a he's

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 1>a team player. He's got a lot of personality. I

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>like the way he interacts with Demarrow Becas Lawrence and

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Tyrone Crawford with a number of guys. I see that

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>chemistry starting to build. UH and then Dak was asked

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>about Alden today as they asked him, you know, does

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 1>he look like a guy out there that hasn't played

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>in five years? And uh? And Dak Prescott said, he's

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 1>a man, he's a monster, and he damn sure doesn't

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 1>look like he hasn't played in five years. And he

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>had a really good day to day. He had pressure

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:33.800
<v Speaker 1>on the pocket no matter who the quarterback was. And

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 1>once uh, you know there was no Tyrant Smith there. Oh.

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Those poor young guys, they're just there's how do I

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 1>say it lightly? They're learning a lot, okay? And how

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 1>about hey, hey, Mike McCarthy this morning, his first questions

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>about Alden Smith and they I remember exactly how it

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 1>was posed, But McCarthy's answer was, I think if anyone

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 1>sees him on the ractice field, there are good reaction

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>is going to be who's that number? Fifty eight? Yeah,

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.439
<v Speaker 1>And so that that's what's kind of impression he's making

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 1>out there on the field. But that's what the Cowboys

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>need players like that, and especially in building that chemistry.

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:13.919
<v Speaker 1>You got it. I mean, think of the Cowboys Super

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Bowl teams of the nineties and the personalities you had

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 1>on that team, and that's what this defense that I

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 1>thought has always been lacking because everybody was kind of quiet,

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, nice guys, and it's like, yeah, you need

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 1>some rabble rousers out there. Uh you know this that

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>we're not in a choir here, so uh, you know,

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 1>I think that's good. And it sounds like some of

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:41.080
<v Speaker 1>that is starting to build, and it's building, and yet

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 1>there's been minimal contact. So once the contact starts up,

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 1>we'll see a little bit more feistiness from some of

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 1>these guys. And I think you go ahead, Reverson. I

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, let's let's put a little onnus on

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 1>the coaches as well. You know, Spage, you talk about

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>my Nolan. I think he's a very aggressive defensive coordinator,

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and I think the Cowboys need that. I think his

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>defensive calls, I think the way he's going to use

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>his linebackers deceptively when it comes to blitzes h the

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:18.320
<v Speaker 1>aggressiveness that he's gonna have with his upfront seven players,

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that's really gonna bowld a lot. I think

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna lend a lot to the attitude that this

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>team has once they start really playing ball games and

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 1>hopefully they show the success with the potential that they have.

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that is also going to be a good

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 1>thing for the Cowboys defensive front. It's going to allow aggression,

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 1>is going to allow, I think, for a lot of

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>turnovers because Mike Nolan has always used his linebackers in

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:54.239
<v Speaker 1>a very effective blitz style, and I think that's going

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to really open things up. It's like if you have

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a good three point shooter, that three point shooter is

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>to open it up for the postman, uh down low.

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 1>I think these these blitzes coming from the linebackers, it's

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:08.840
<v Speaker 1>going to open it up more for DeMarcus Lawrence, for

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Aldus Smith and players to use their aggression even more

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.400
<v Speaker 1>than than they would so enormous circumstances, you know. And

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I'm giving away any secrets here, but

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's been talked about how Alden Smith has

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>been used on the right defensive end spot standing up

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:28.719
<v Speaker 1>instead of being in a three point stance. And boy,

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 1>when he stands up, you think, well, if it's a

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>running play, he's he might be, you know, susceptible to

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 1>getting blocked, but his arms are so long, you know,

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:42.359
<v Speaker 1>he can keep guys off them. Uh and uh, he's

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:45.280
<v Speaker 1>been pretty effective over there. And I'll say it again,

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 1>especially when Tyrn Smith's not indicate well. And then how

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>about DeMarcus Lawrence uh standing him up some too, Yeah,

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>and uh and he's he hasn't done it quite as much.

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 1>And again, you know, the last time I saw this

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>take place, uh, you know, when they kind of went

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:11.239
<v Speaker 1>to the three four with Bill and DeMarcus where was

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>standing up? And then I saw DeMarcus Ware back pedaling

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>in coverage And It's like, I don't want to see

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>DeMarcus ware going backwards. I want them going forward, right. Uh.

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>And so I'll be interested to see if they if

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 1>they get into any of those schemes. You know, are

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 1>you going to use those guys in coverage because they're

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 1>basically you're outside linebacker. Uh. So that'll be interesting to

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>see how they do that because I'll guarantee you DeMarcus

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence hasn't had to drop off the line of scrimmage

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 1>much and cover anybody. Yeah. One of the things when

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>you stand up a DeMarcus Lawrence or Alden Smith or

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Everson Griffin for that matter, h you can you can

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>do some things to find mismatches on your pass rush

0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>where they can go inside as well. If you go

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:56.719
<v Speaker 1>back and look at the Saints last year, they did

0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that on their in their front four

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 1>where they moved guys around, and there were multiple in

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>that respect. Of course, Nolan wasn't the DC there in

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 1>New Orleans last year as the linebackers coach, but I

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>think some of those concepts, I think you can see

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 1>him employing that which we haven't seen as much of

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 1>here in Dallas over the years. And you know why,

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 1>from the predictability Bill. That's what we were for the

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 1>last few years. I think that's been our weakness. We've

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>been happy to come out and show the offense just

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:31.799
<v Speaker 1>exactly what we're doing. We lined up the same way

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 1>all the time, I don't care if it was a

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 1>two minute drill or if it was the beginning of

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 1>the game. And I thought that that led us to

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of disadvantages, and that's why we were always

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:47.799
<v Speaker 1>so predictable as far as not getting turnovers as well.

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>The offense is always gonna know where you are. There

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.920
<v Speaker 1>were no surprises. We just started putting in the blitzes

0:40:55.000 --> 0:41:01.399
<v Speaker 1>really last year when the new defensive coach came in

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and those are the things that you just can't waste

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 1>a play in that regard to me, that's called that's

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 1>just taking a play for granted, you can't. You should

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0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.799
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<v Speaker 1>this time in football, offenses are so explosive, so defensively,

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<v Speaker 1>when we continue here on mix Shots, there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey Spagnola, who is experiencing some technical difficulties right now,

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 1>I understand, and Everson Walls. We are streaming live on

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<v Speaker 1>Periscope as well. Take you to the top of the

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:54.080
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0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 1>eleven am. And Cowboys practice again tomorrow, take Saturday off

0:45:04.719 --> 0:45:08.879
<v Speaker 1>in three straight practices Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday, and we're

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 1>now just over three weeks away from the start of

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the regular season. That regular season is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>here before you know it. When the Cowboys play September thirteenth,

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>a Sunday night game at the Los Angeles Rams, and

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 1>the first home game the following Sunday on September twentieth

0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 1>against the Atlanta Falcons. Everson, are you there, I'm here,

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>You are there. Okay, you're echoing in my ear, but

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 1>you are there everywhere. Let me ask you about the

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 1>cornerbacks and Trayvon Diggs has been worked in a little

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.520
<v Speaker 1>bit throughout the first week. We'll get more on that

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 1>from Mickey when he gets re established here. But what

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 1>are you hoping to see a merge out of this

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>training camp at the cornerback position. Well, I hope they

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:04.720
<v Speaker 1>have a a guy that they can they can depend

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 1>on them. I hope they have someone that they can

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I can make some plays for us. Uh, someone that

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:16.720
<v Speaker 1>we can keep up with the athleticism, because we always

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 1>have athletic cornerbacks and that's what I like about. But

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:22.879
<v Speaker 1>I want someone that can make the plays that need

0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:26.040
<v Speaker 1>to be made. When you start talking about our secondary

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 1>we were reactionary. We didn't anticipate anything. And that's the

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>problems that you have with a lot of just so

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 1>so uh defensive backfields. You have to be as a unit.

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:43.800
<v Speaker 1>You have to have a culture there that can be

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 1>smart and anticipate the plays that they're coming your way.

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't care how good an offense is. Each one

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 1>of them falls into a pattern, and you have to

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:57.800
<v Speaker 1>as a defensive back be smart enough to find that pattern.

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 1>That's what Charlie Waters and then this Terman did for me.

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:06.320
<v Speaker 1>They showed me how to study my opposition and so

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 1>that way I wouldn't be reactionary. I can anticipate what

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:13.279
<v Speaker 1>was gonna come my way. Those interceptions, some of those

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 1>interceptions weren't just about athletic ability that I made back

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 1>in the day those interceptions was because I studied and

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 1>because I had good study partners, people that showed me

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:27.000
<v Speaker 1>how to prepare for big time ball games and play

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>against big time wide receivers. So not only are you

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 1>studying the formations and the tendencies offensively, you're also studying

0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:39.840
<v Speaker 1>your opponent, that single wide receiver that you're going against.

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:42.040
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think that we've been doing that in

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the past. Hopefully they can change that culture here back

0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to the way it was, to where we understood exactly

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.320
<v Speaker 1>what the offense was trying to do to us and

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:54.279
<v Speaker 1>how this particular wide receivers trying to set us up.

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Trey Von Digg seems to be a guy that can

0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>figure that out. Hopefully he can do it on this

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.240
<v Speaker 1>next level as well, because he did it well in college.

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:06.399
<v Speaker 1>And you've got other defensive backs back there, such as

0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 1>how High Clinton Dix, who can be that anchor for

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you at a safety position and protect those corners and

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:18.600
<v Speaker 1>make sure that they have confidence in their safeties the

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 1>way I had confidence in guys like Desta Cleiscale, Michael Downs,

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and Charlie Waters. I think you know, guys, can you

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 1>hear me. Yeah, yes, it looks like you're back now,

0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, Mickey, we got to give some credit to

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Everson here to pull back the curtain a little bit.

0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, we were discovering that if you open up

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 1>another one of these little WebEx windows, it creates an

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 1>echo effect in our ears that makes it sound like

0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 1>that you are speaking on a public address system at

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 1>a stadium, where you're get hearing your own voice back

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and forth. And so Everson when he went through that

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 1>whole little salute lakoi there, he was hearing himself for

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the first whole minute or so of that. But he

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:09.279
<v Speaker 1>fought through it, and he made it through it, and

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.960
<v Speaker 1>he delivered. He came through in the crunch. So kudos

0:49:13.040 --> 0:49:15.759
<v Speaker 1>to you ever send for fight. Thank you, Thank you.

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought I sounded like I sounded like God for

0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:23.879
<v Speaker 1>a minute there sounded like Louis Garrett giving his rep Yes,

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:28.279
<v Speaker 1>the luckiest man in the world, world, world, He's the

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:31.400
<v Speaker 1>luckiest man on the face of the earth. And we

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:33.600
<v Speaker 1>are we are so lucky that we do not have

0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:36.400
<v Speaker 1>that in our ears. Now, all right, Micky, what have

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:40.360
<v Speaker 1>you seen in our last few minutes? I want to

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:43.640
<v Speaker 1>give you. Yeah, we'll give Chris being being some props

0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:46.320
<v Speaker 1>there for getting that out of our ears too. Mickey,

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I want to give you an opportunity to talk about

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 1>some of the guys that you've seen through this first

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:54.879
<v Speaker 1>week of training camp practices that have caught your eye.

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Where would you start, Well, you know, you guys were

0:49:58.239 --> 0:50:02.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about the cornerback position, and they've been rotating them

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:05.399
<v Speaker 1>guys through, even on the first team. You know, they

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:09.799
<v Speaker 1>normally if if Jordan Lewis was out there, you know, uh,

0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:18.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, between a Woozier Brown Lewis digs uh worli uh.

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Those guys have been rotating through quite a bit. Uh

0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 1>and and and even in the secondary you know, they're

0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:31.000
<v Speaker 1>given the young guys chance back there. Uh So they

0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:35.200
<v Speaker 1>they've they've been kind of changing it up quite a bit.

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:38.399
<v Speaker 1>So it's really hard to say, Okay, this guy's first team,

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.879
<v Speaker 1>this guy's second team. I don't think that's happened so far.

0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Who's caught my eye overall? Um? You know, we know

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 1>about Gallup, we know about Amari Cooper, Ceedee Lamb just

0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:57.960
<v Speaker 1>plays this game so effortlessly. You know, we were watching

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:02.240
<v Speaker 1>them catch punts as we were leaving after the practice, finished,

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.320
<v Speaker 1>and the guys stay out there and do a little extra.

0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:11.080
<v Speaker 1>And I wrote in Mick Shots yesterday, it's like if

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you know the expression in baseball catching a can of corn,

0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, and that that started. That expression started with

0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the old grocery stores when they used to have the

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:24.680
<v Speaker 1>cans up high and they would have a pole and

0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:27.399
<v Speaker 1>they would pull the can down and you would catch

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 1>it right and put it on the shelf. Well, it's

0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:34.520
<v Speaker 1>he catches punts just like that, like it's soft tossed.

0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:38.799
<v Speaker 1>And the other day they were doing a drill where

0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:41.640
<v Speaker 1>it was a punt. They were catching punts. But what

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Fossil was having them do this new special team's coach

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:48.880
<v Speaker 1>is you you stand and it was off the judge machine.

0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:52.760
<v Speaker 1>So you stand with your back towards the judge machine

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:55.879
<v Speaker 1>and they fire it off and when the ball hits

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:59.439
<v Speaker 1>its apex, he yells turn and you got to turn

0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 1>around find the ball. And this is indoors, so it's

0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 1>you're looking up in that roof. It's hard to find it,

0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 1>and then you got to catch it right. He was

0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 1>doing it like he'd been doing it in his whole career.

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:14.520
<v Speaker 1>It's just to me, no stutter steps, just standing there,

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.680
<v Speaker 1>boot catches him. So it'll be interesting to see, you know,

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:22.879
<v Speaker 1>if he plays so much offensively, will he be okay

0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:26.719
<v Speaker 1>to also returned punts. Cedric Wilson's not bad at it either,

0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:31.919
<v Speaker 1>but CD just does it so so efforts lead it amazing. Mickey,

0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>let me let me throw in something about CD that

0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I saw in person. It was at the Cotton Bowl

0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:41.360
<v Speaker 1>last October, and one of his three touchdown passes in

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.279
<v Speaker 1>that game. He had an incredible game. Texas wins that game.

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.040
<v Speaker 1>If CD Lamb's not on the field for ou, I mean,

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.520
<v Speaker 1>he just took over that game. But there's one play

0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:53.200
<v Speaker 1>in particular, well, I believe it was a flea flicker

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 1>and he's down the right sideline about twenty five thirty

0:52:56.800 --> 0:53:00.200
<v Speaker 1>yards downfield, fairly deep pass, but it was a flee

0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:04.319
<v Speaker 1>flicker and Jalen Hurts just sort of heaved it high

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 1>in the air. CD sees the ball, the traject the

0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:11.719
<v Speaker 1>trajectory of the ball, which is almost he threw it

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:14.080
<v Speaker 1>so high it was almost like a punt. And I'm

0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:18.400
<v Speaker 1>watching Cede Lamb. I had a fifty yard line seat, Okay,

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:21.479
<v Speaker 1>so I'm watching Cede Lamb and he took his eye

0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:25.600
<v Speaker 1>off the ball as it was in midflight and surveyed

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:29.640
<v Speaker 1>where the secondary was and then he reached and then

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 1>he looks back up, makes the catch, and then made

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:35.719
<v Speaker 1>his way through five defenders for the final twenty five

0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:37.200
<v Speaker 1>yards all the way to the end zone. It was

0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 1>one of the most remarkable things I've seen on a

0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:42.720
<v Speaker 1>football field. But it illustrates exactly what you're talking about,

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 1>just the natural instincts that he has and the confidence

0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:49.800
<v Speaker 1>that he has, the field presence that he has. That

0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 1>was remarkable. I think that, well, yeah, I love the

0:53:56.800 --> 0:54:03.000
<v Speaker 1>way that Bill likes to show off his Oklahoma affiliation.

0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Nice to know that they give you fifty yard line seats.

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm going to play with you. I'm going to

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.839
<v Speaker 1>the game with you next time, Bill, because I'm I'm

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:16.799
<v Speaker 1>an old You fan myself. But it changes everything when

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:19.520
<v Speaker 1>you have the ability to do something that no one

0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 1>else knows how to do and you work on it

0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:25.680
<v Speaker 1>so well, it does make you stand out. Bill. Uh.

0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 1>When my dad taught me how to catch a ball,

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 1>when he when he taught me the mechanics of how

0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:34.520
<v Speaker 1>to follow a ball in the air, I didn't know

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:38.840
<v Speaker 1>how unique that would make me as a player. Ceedee Lamb.

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:43.719
<v Speaker 1>He does things like we talk about Beckham does all

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the time. The one hand that catches that makes you

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:50.280
<v Speaker 1>an extremely special person. But as far as I'm concerned,

0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:54.680
<v Speaker 1>if you can do all of that, I would love

0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:58.520
<v Speaker 1>it if you would just be consistent in what you do,

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<v Speaker 1>uh no passes, no mistakes, not taking your basic fundamental

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<v Speaker 1>talents for granted. And to me, that would really show

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<v Speaker 1>me just what a good a player he is, because

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<v Speaker 1>there are times when yes, those those amazing plays are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to have to happen. But just show me

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<v Speaker 1>some consistency day in and day out. To me, that's

0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:32.239
<v Speaker 1>more impressive. When you talk about Amari Cooper, I'm sure

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:34.440
<v Speaker 1>he can do all those things that Ceedee Lamb can do,

0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>let's be real, but he chooses not to because he's

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<v Speaker 1>always so consistently good at being the fundamental player that

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:46.799
<v Speaker 1>he is. You show me fundamentals day in and day out,

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and success at that. To me, that impresses me more.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though I do love seeing those plays by Ceedee Lamb,

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<v Speaker 1>especially being an OI fan. Well, in that play that

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<v Speaker 1>CD made it that I was talking about it, I

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:01.600
<v Speaker 1>mean that he I don't he doesn't make he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the run after catch on that play if he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do what he did there. So I think it

0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:10.479
<v Speaker 1>was fundamental to him making that play too. It wasn't

0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:12.800
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't showing off doing it. He was just that

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<v Speaker 1>was But he has that the natural instincts and so forth,

0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:19.080
<v Speaker 1>that he's confident that, Okay, I can go ahead and

0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:21.640
<v Speaker 1>catch that ball, I can take my offer and read

0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the defense and didn't go back to it. It was

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<v Speaker 1>it was something else. I think. I think the difference

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<v Speaker 1>is the differences Now you're going to have players, You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have defensive players that are going to react

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit better to that. So right, how he

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<v Speaker 1>going to react to the level of play heightening for him?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see how he adjusted that, and

0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 1>I think he'll do well. Bill Truck I'm a fan

0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:51.239
<v Speaker 1>of his, I am, but it's not gonna be as

0:56:51.320 --> 0:56:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not gonna be as easy going against

0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:57.960
<v Speaker 1>some some big twelve dbs versus going against some big

0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:01.080
<v Speaker 1>time dbs in the NFL. And build a couple other

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:06.560
<v Speaker 1>quick observations. I see why Andy Dalton's been a nine

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<v Speaker 1>year starter in the league. He's abay accurate throwing the football,

0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:14.440
<v Speaker 1>and I think that has stood out, and that stood

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:17.440
<v Speaker 1>out yesterday with Dak. I thought he had one of

0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:21.400
<v Speaker 1>his best days. The ball in individual drills or team

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:25.640
<v Speaker 1>drills was not hitting the ground. He had a really,

0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 1>really good day. And then this one kind of you know,

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:34.640
<v Speaker 1>we talked to John Fossil yesterday and I kind of

0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:38.000
<v Speaker 1>asked him, you know, you you cut Kai for bath,

0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you know what went into that decision not to have

0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 1>any kicking competition in training camp? And he basically kind

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:49.640
<v Speaker 1>of got away from where I was going and said, well,

0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:51.800
<v Speaker 1>we had to get to eighty, so we cut the

0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:54.800
<v Speaker 1>other deep snapper and we cut the other kicker. Well,

0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:57.520
<v Speaker 1>finally somebody pinned him down and said, well, have you

0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 1>diagnosed what went wrong with Greg Zurline last year when

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 1>his field goal percentage dropped to seventy two percent, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think was the lowest of his career. And he said, yeah,

0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 1>I diagnosed he had a bad groin stream and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>all we were doing during the week the last six

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<v Speaker 1>to eight weeks of the season, we weren't kicking him

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to try to get him through, and so it was

0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:32.280
<v Speaker 1>affecting his swing. So he said he's got all the

0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:34.760
<v Speaker 1>confidence in the world that they will get the Greg

0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:38.360
<v Speaker 1>zur Line that he'd seen the last eight years while

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 1>they were together with the Rams. Well, we've only seen

0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:45.560
<v Speaker 1>him in practice kick twice, and the first time we

0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:48.880
<v Speaker 1>saw him kick he went six for six, and today

0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:53.200
<v Speaker 1>between thirty three and forty four yards he went six

0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:58.320
<v Speaker 1>for six. So Fossil basically was saying, I guarantee you

0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:00.400
<v Speaker 1>he's going to be one of the top, if not

0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:04.160
<v Speaker 1>top kickers in the NFL this year for the next

0:59:04.240 --> 0:59:07.160
<v Speaker 1>couple of years for the Cowboys now that he's over

0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:12.200
<v Speaker 1>the groin strain that really hampered his swing last year.

0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:15.120
<v Speaker 1>So that Park stepped out because I thought we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to be charting field goals all training camp. Hey, hey, Fossil,

0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Fossil knew what he had in Zerline's When zer Line

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<v Speaker 1>came into the league in twenty twelve, John Fossil was

0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 1>his special team's coach with the Rams, and he's been

0:59:30.920 --> 0:59:33.080
<v Speaker 1>there all the way, and you know, it was a

0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:36.960
<v Speaker 1>priority for a Fossil when the free agency started, that

0:59:37.040 --> 0:59:39.560
<v Speaker 1>we've got to sign to Greg Zerline, who's the only

0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:44.040
<v Speaker 1>other kicker that John Fossil has had in this league

0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:47.080
<v Speaker 1>as a special teams coordinator he was with the Rams,

0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:51.080
<v Speaker 1>and prior to that, he was the Raiders special teams

0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:54.560
<v Speaker 1>coach and his kicker those four years in Oakland with

0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Sebastian Janikowski. He's had two kickers in his time as

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<v Speaker 1>a special team's coach, Janikowski and Zerlin. And that will

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<v Speaker 1>continue this year. Yeah, and uh and so that that

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<v Speaker 1>that's uh stood out. And one thing, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>I think there was a lot of anticipation that Trayvon

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<v Speaker 1>Diggs was going to be a step in starter well

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<v Speaker 1>as as a rookie. He looked like a rookie for

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<v Speaker 1>a few practices so far. He's got he's got a

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<v Speaker 1>ways to go to beat out the veterans. Let's just

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<v Speaker 1>put it. And it's not a bad thing. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's more of a recognition thing and understanding. As as

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<v Speaker 1>Everson said about Cedee Lamb, you know he's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be going up against big twelve corners. Well, Trayvon's

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<v Speaker 1>not going up against wide receivers that he saw in college.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys are big time players, sou but they're working

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<v Speaker 1>them in and they're giving them opportunities. I like that

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<v Speaker 1>they're given. Uh. Reggie Robinson opportunities. Uh so that that

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<v Speaker 1>that that was a good thing. And one other guy

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<v Speaker 1>that I wanted to point out that is getting opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>back there as they haven't forgotten about Donovan Wilson, the

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<v Speaker 1>safety that had a really good training camp last year

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<v Speaker 1>and then he kind of faded away once the season started.

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<v Speaker 1>He's getting opportunities back there also at the safety position.

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<v Speaker 1>He made a lot of turnovers last year for the

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<v Speaker 1>short minute amount of time that he was exposed. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're out of time on this edition of

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<v Speaker 1>Mix Shots. Next week, Everson, I want you to tell

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<v Speaker 1>us a story of how you gave an indoctrination to

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Irvin when Irvin came into the league. Irvin interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>CD Lamb earlier this week on NFL Network and he

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about the schooling that Everson Walls gave him

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<v Speaker 1>in one of his first practices, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you remember that or not, but next week I

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear that story. All right, it was several days,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll pick one out. Okay, that does it for

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<v Speaker 1>Mixed Shots for this week, and we will see you

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<v Speaker 1>again next Thursday at eleven am. Have a great week. Everybody.

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