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Speaker 1: Adam Schefter the first to report that the stuff continues.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of divas playing in the league

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Speaker 1: First of all, Steve, do you think he's done enough

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Speaker 1: only how does that come out of your mouth in

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Speaker 1: front of your boss. I only hope for the best

427
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Speaker 1: for poor Lions fans, But I can tell you where

428
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Speaker 1: this is going definitively at this moment where I'm not

429
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Speaker 1: talking about just with the Lion just in totality. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be a flaming fireball of epic

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Speaker 1: proportions that even the Lions have not seen before. And

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Speaker 1: we're talking about a franchise that's gone home in sixteen Steve,

433
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: this is going to be unprecedented. I mean Wayne Fonts,

434
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: at least that guy got his scene to the playoffs. Okay,

435
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: the Wayne Fonts was painted as a fool to holcyon

436
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: Days of Matt Patricia where tricod old Days of Matt Patricia. Yeah,

437
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: this is going to be Maybe the most entertaining part

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Speaker 1: for Lions fans is they don't know what's going to

439
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: happen next. It's but unfortunately it's going to take on

440
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: the persona of a horrible accident. People will look only

441
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: because they can't look away that that's what we got here,

442
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: that's what's going to And I'm not saying he's not

443
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: gonna work hard, do his best, try to unify the team.

444
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: But if this is the man's processing as to what

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Speaker 1: it's going to take to lift the Lions out of

446
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: the doldrums of where they have existed as a franchise

447
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: in the landscape of this league, this is not getting

448
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: them out of the debt. I gotta tell you here's

449
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: the problem media. As a coach of of this ILK,

450
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: can I get it. He's a he's a go getter,

451
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: he's a raw, raw guy. He's a we're gonna fight

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00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: until the end kind of a kind of a just

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00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: an absolute you know, he's a fighter, right, he's a fighter.

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00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: But he's gonna be talking to a group of professional

455
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Speaker 1: football players, not all of whom are gonna be of

456
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: that same ILK. And some of those guys are gonna

457
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: be pretty smart thinkers in that room. And you throw

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00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: that bite their kneecap stuff off and the fighting. We

459
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: should have a pet line again, all that raw raw stuff.

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00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: It's a little bit like, you know, the the zany

461
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: stuff Rex used to pull here in Buffalo, the kind

462
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: of the kind of getting let's just raw, raw this

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00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: our way through this thing. It does not fly. When

464
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: you got a team that you're gonna play against who

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00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: are have got analytics, they got they got leadership, they

466
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: got a plan, they know your strengths, your weaknesses. They're

467
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: not gonna go out there and just just kind of

468
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: throw all in. Let's go, let's see what we got.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have a plan and they're gonna be thinking

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Speaker 1: about it. They're gonna have a they're gonna inspire their players,

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Speaker 1: They're gonna empower their players to prepare and be prepared.

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00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell's over here talking about let's just fight our

473
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Speaker 1: way through this and have lions at practice. That's not

474
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: gonna it's not gonna fly. You got guys that are

475
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: too sharp in the room as players that are gonna

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Speaker 1: bro Give me something. Don't just tell me to go

477
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: out there with an attitude. Ye, give me. What's the

478
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: game plan here? You're seriously gonna do this against Aaron Rodgers.

479
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna seriously do this against the Chicago defense. You're

480
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: gonna seriously do this with those guys in Minnesota that

481
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Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. Yeah, I've played against those guys

482
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: twice a year for my whole career. They're not gonna

483
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: come out an attitude is not gonna get it done right.

484
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: And that's that's where coaches like and I get it there.

485
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: He's great, and he's a great guy, and he's and

486
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: he's got an opportunity here. But man, oh man, you

487
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: gotta have a plan. You gotta tell these guys you're

488
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: going to be smart and you're gonna be efficient. You're

489
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: gonna give them the best chance to win. This raw

490
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: raw stuff doesn't even it doesn't even get it through

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00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: the opening kickoff. Take it from me. I know that's

492
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: for high school. It's not even get you past the

493
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: opening kickoff. Yeah, you got four quarters of football. You

494
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: gotta go out there and think your way through. I

495
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: just can't imagine after hearing about this story, is what

496
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: his players thought. Oh they're oh like, how do you

497
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: think players take that? When they see he's he's concerned

498
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: about publicly, they'll be on board with it. Is Yeah,

499
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: I can't wait. He's gonna be great. I'll love the energy,

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00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: love the love the attitude. And that's about as far

501
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: as it's gonna go. Because love the energy, love the attitude,

502
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: let's go. I'm ready to jump in. Let's go, all right,

503
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: And then when they get out there and all of

504
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, they hed better say listen, here's

505
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, against again against this personnel said we're gonna

506
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: have this plan and this you know, unless they've unless

507
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: they're an NFL coaching staff, it's it's gonna flame out.

508
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: And that's gonna do it, and it's gonna do it

509
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: in a big way. I'm not saying they won't have moments,

510
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you, you gotta have a plan that

511
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: your players can grab onto and feel prepared. And an

512
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: attitude is not it. If you've got to If you've

513
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: got to instill an attitude in your players, you got

514
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: the wrong players to begin with. Start there, get the

515
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: right players got If you have to motive and this

516
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: was a big Marv Levy. If I if he has

517
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: to stand up there and raw raw you to death

518
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: to get you to play, what are we doing? Yeah,

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00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: I'm I've been working my whole life to get in

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00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: this game. I don't need you to motivate me. I'm ready.

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00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: Give me a plan, that's all I want. And that's

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00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: where most players in the NFL are, and I get it.

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00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and his culture and he was, you know,

524
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: all this and they were kind of down and they

525
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: were just it was discouraging because of the way he

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00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: ran things. Okay, that's fine, but come on, you gotta

527
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot. There's a lot. Some of it didn't work,

528
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: but there's a lot in there that holds water in

529
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: an NFL. You've got to have a plan that and

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00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: this attitude raw rush stuff does not fly. We have

531
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: to take a break here, but we do have an

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00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: interesting Twitter poll for you today that we want you

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00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: to weigh in on for us. How much stock do

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00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: you put in the odds makers making the Bills favorites

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00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: in fifteen of their seventeen games on the twenty twenty

536
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: one schedule. The choices are there for you at one

537
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Speaker 1: Bills Live on Twitter. You can give us a call

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00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: eight oh three oh five fifty. We got open lines

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00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: for you eight five fifty two five fifty. Come back

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00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: and talk to us about this. How much stock are

541
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Speaker 1: you put in the odds makers making the Bills favorites

542
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: in all but two of their regular season games? Pulls

543
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: pretty balanced here out of the gate. We want to

544
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: know where you sit next on one Bills Live presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalid to Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Back to

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Speaker 1: one Bills Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. How

547
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: much stock Cleveland has by week on thirteen? Okay, how

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00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: much stock do you put in the oddsmakers making the

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00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: Bill's favorites in fifteen of their seventeen games in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. The choices are there for you on the

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00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: tweet sheet as uh. We sent those out to you

552
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and the poll pretty balanced thus far. Basically,

553
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: your choices are A. They're right on Vegas always Nose. B.

554
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: Lofty expectations make me nervous. See unrealistic. NFL is a

555
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: week to week league, and right now, right on Vegas

556
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: always Nose is leading the way, but not by a lot.

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00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: They got about forty two percent of the vote. Lofty

558
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: expectations make me nervous getting about thirty percent of the

559
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: vote and right behind a twenty eight percent unrealistic. NFL

560
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: is a week to week league. So let us know

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Speaker 1: where you stand at eight oh three oh five fifty one,

562
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: eight to eight five fifty two five fifty. We should

563
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: mention that the Chiefs lead the league. Among the odds makers.

564
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: They are favorites in sixteen of their seventeen games. At

565
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: the other end of the spectrum, the Texans are underdogs

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Speaker 1: in all seventeen of their contests, including a fourteen point

567
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: point spread against the Bills at this point, Yeah, fourteen

568
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: points is an unbelievable amount, right. The only games in

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00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: which the Bills are not favored week five at Kansas City,

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00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: where they are getting four and a half points, and

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00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: in Week fourteen at Tampa Bay we're getting They're getting

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00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: four points there. So those are the only two games

573
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: in which they are not favored. And there's one other

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00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: team that was favored in fifteen of their seventeen games,

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00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: and that would be Tampa Bay. So casey sixteen to seventeen,

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00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: Bills and Bucks fifteen of seventeen favorites in their regular

577
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: season schedules, respectively. But what does that make you feel

578
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: as a Bills fan? Are you like, damn right man,

579
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: fifteen to seventeen, Uh huh, Vegas knows? Or maybe you're like, oh,

580
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: whoa hold on here, pump the brakes, yeah, Or are

581
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: you like, Eh, you're jinks in us with that. You're

582
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: jinks in us with that? Don't do it. I know

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00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: the range of emotions runs the gamut for Bills fans,

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00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: so we're curious as to where you sit on that

585
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: eight oh three oh five fifty one eighty eight five

586
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: fifty two, five fifty the number to get on board.

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00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: Got an open line for you there. In the meantime,

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00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: we are going to go to the tweet sheet, which

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Speaker 1: is brought to you by Koregan Moving Systems, the official

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00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: moving company of the Buffalo Bills, and Bob leads us

591
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: off by saying, the only thing that frightens me injuries.

592
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: If the Bills are as fortunate as they were last year,

593
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: no reason why they can't win fifteen games. I will

594
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: say this steve some of the fatter point spreads I

595
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: have seen for the Bills, and this is open lines.

596
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: They'll change between now in September, for sure, but they've

597
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: got one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

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00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: eleven of their games in which they're favored it's by

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00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: six points or more a touchdown or more, including the spreads.

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00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: The high of the Houston matchup in Week four, where

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00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: they are favored fourteen by fourteen points. WHOA Houston's a

602
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: train wreck. But there it's the way it goes. And

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00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: you look around, this is a schedule, and we've talked

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00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: about how opposite this schedule is from a year ago

605
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: when the Bills were going to the end and NFC

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00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: West and they played the North, they played Pittsburgh, they

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00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: played you're talking about last year. Yeah, last year was

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00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: AFC West, NFC West, right, So they played the Chiefs

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00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: in Vegas and all of those teams. It was. It

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00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: was a tough schedule. Last year. They also played Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of teams that were over five hundred and

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00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: double digit win teams, playoff teams. They played ten teams

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Speaker 1: that had top ten defenses. So it was a gauntlet

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00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: last year for the Bills. This one not so much

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00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: from this end of the schedule, not a tough schedule.

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Speaker 1: Laws looking around that the teams, they really have a

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00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: rough schedule going in or the NAFC North. Not only

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00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: did Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Cincinnati they have played each other,

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Speaker 1: they also play They played the AFC West this year

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Speaker 1: with Kansas City, the Chargers who were Chargers a different

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Speaker 1: team now with Herborough, Herbert in there, Vegas of course,

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Speaker 1: in Denver, who may have Aaron Rodgers as their quarterback

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Speaker 1: if Denver trades four first round draft pick um. They

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Speaker 1: also have the NFC North with Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit,

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00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: and Chicago. They're out of conference for Pittsburgh as Seattle,

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00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: for Cleveland it's Arizona, and for Baltimore it's the Rams.

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00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: And then they play the NFC Yeah, the North, and

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00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: then out of conference out of division they played the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, played New England and Houston, which is okay.

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00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh plays Buffalo Tennessee. So that's two additional teams that

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00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: had double digit wins last year. The cost of finishing

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00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: in first last Yeah, and Baltimore know it different. They

633
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: get Indianapolis and Miami, same thing. So the AFC North

634
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: is going to take it on the chin this year.

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00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is not is down a little bit, we think

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00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: because of their offensive line and the fact that Bend

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00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: is just not the same guy. Particularly as the season

638
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: wears on Baltimore. I still think they've got some work

639
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: to do in their passing game, and teams are starting

640
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: to get on top of Lamar and starting to dare

641
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: him to do things he's not real good at through

642
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: the football to areas of the field where he's not

643
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: really a proficient at doing so. Now they did answer

644
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: it with getting him some weapons, but they got to

645
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: prove that. And of course Cleveland is the team now

646
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: that people are it's kind of a dark horse pick

647
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: to be right there at the end. Uh, certainly in

648
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: the divisional round of the playoffs. So all those teams

649
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: got to play each other as well, so that the

650
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: nfs AFC North they may have only one playoff team

651
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: this year for the first time in a while, possible.

652
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: I think it's two. I think they'll get one of

653
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: the wild cards. Um. I think it's Cleveland in Baltimore.

654
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: Everybody else is going to be by the wayside in

655
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: that division. How much stock do you put in the

656
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: odds makers making the Bill's favorites in fifteen to seventeen

657
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: games this season? Let us know eight oh three h

658
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: five fifty. Let's go to the phones and leading us

659
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: off today is Jim and Jamestown. Jim, what do you

660
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: have for us? You're on one Bills live. Hey, Um,

661
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: I'm a Bills and Steelers fan myself, and that first

662
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: game there's gonna be something because the Pralisberger has all

663
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: day to throw. I mean, the Bill's defence is going

664
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: to show up. There's no doubt about that. And another

665
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: question is, do you guys um think the Bills have

666
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: a chance with the Super Bowl? They injury free and

667
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: injury free into the playoffs against Super Bowl run. Uh? Yeah,

668
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, they stay healthy, they're in

669
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: prime position and contend. I don't think there's any question

670
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: about that. As a matter of fact, ESPN's Dan Graziano,

671
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: one of their NFL insiders, picked the Bills to win

672
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl over the Rams this year. Yeah, we're

673
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: not that that says anything, but I think a lot

674
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: of people believe they're gonna be right there May eighteenth. Yeah,

675
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: Bill's got a shot at it. Yeah, right, so and

676
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: you're right, But I think the Pittsburgh game opening Day,

677
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: and Jim said he's a Steelers fan and a Bills

678
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: I guess that had nowhere he's gonna be opening Day,

679
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: but he I think he's right. The Pittsburgh Steelers, even

680
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: on particularly on opening Day this year, it's it's all

681
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: gonna come down on Ben. You can say what you

682
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: want about their running game is gonna be better or whatever,

683
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: and all of that. I think it's gonna come down

684
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: to Ben, how he plays early in the season, how

685
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: kind of start they get off to. How long is

686
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: that gonna last, because last year it didn't. Um But

687
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: I think he's right. If Ben Roethlisberger has plenty time

688
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: to throw off, his offensive line overperforms from what it

689
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: looks like it will now and they can protect him. Yeah,

690
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: I think Ben can really sling it. I'm not confident

691
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: of that in week one with what looks like it's

692
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: going to be four new offensive lineman. That's a big

693
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: advantage Buffalo. I am sorry, Ben Roethlisberger is not going

694
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: to have time to throw. I agree with you that

695
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: it is going to rest on his shoulders largely, but

696
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: I think his shoulders are going to get pounded into

697
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: the turf a lot. With an offensive line that's going

698
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: to have four out of five guys in new spots

699
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one as opposed to twenty twenty. That

700
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: is just not something you're gonna put together in a

701
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: training camp or an offseason where it's humming just like

702
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: you wanted to in the first week of the season.

703
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: So they got they got a big hill to climb

704
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: with that offensive front, and I just can't see it

705
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: being in a place where it's working perfectly to allow

706
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: Ben to do the things that he can still do

707
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, So advantage Bills as far as

708
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. We have to take a break here. And

709
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: speaking of the Steelers, there was an interesting comment that

710
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: Cameron Hayward made about their new rookie running back that

711
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: defies all logic as to where offense is headed in

712
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 1: this league going forward. We'll tell you what that's about

713
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: when we return here on One Bill's Live presented by

714
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back. As we

715
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: mentioned before, we went to break Steelers defense. Evan. Cameron

716
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Heyward on NFL Network recently had an interesting comment in

717
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: reviewing their struggles at the end of last season where

718
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: he basically said the balance between their offense and defense

719
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: was lost. Offense couldn't sustain drives, defense couldn't get off

720
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: the field, which is not a recipe for success. And

721
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: he is very excited about Steelers first round draft choice

722
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: running back Naji Harris. He said, I think as a

723
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: defender there is a direct quote Steve. We're more excited

724
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: to have him. Having a guy like that can tote

725
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: the rock thirty to forty times a game, really puts

726
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: an ease on the defense. He can do multiple things.

727
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: I think the investment in our offense this year has

728
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: been huge, Steve. You know what I'm going to take

729
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: issue with, right, Yeah, thirty to forty times a game.

730
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: Did Cameron Hayward just take the hot tub time machine

731
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: back to the nineteen eighties? Yeah, he's drunk his offseason,

732
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: Camy Nobody. Derrick Henry, who led the league and carries

733
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: with three hundred and seventy eight that averages out to

734
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: just over twenty three a game. Derek Henry, who carries

735
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: the ball more than anyone on the planet. There were

736
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: only two running backs in the league last year, Steve

737
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: that ever had over three hundred carries, Derrick Henry and

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook. That was it. Yeah, thirty to forty times

739
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: a game. That's just not happening. You're gonna kill that kid, right,

740
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: And of course they don't care, but they're not gonna

741
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: give him him the ball thirty to forty times a

742
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: game because they're gonna be they're gonna lose, they're gonna

743
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: have to back up, and they're gonna have to start

744
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: throwing the football. And you think Ben Roethlisberger came back

745
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: at thirty eight years old to hand it off. I

746
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: don't Now he can say what he wants. He can

747
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: he's a team player and all that, and I got him,

748
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: But he didn't come back to hand at all. Last year.

749
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: He said, why are we even bothering? Let's go. Well,

750
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: he knew they didn't have the line that could effectively

751
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: run blocks. And they know that now because they got

752
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: four new guys. I think they know it less. I

753
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: think they don't know. How can you even begin to

754
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: surmise what your offensive identity is going to be until

755
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: you see these five who the first of all, who

756
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: the five starters are gonna be, and then second of all,

757
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: how well they execute what you want to run? Well?

758
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: I get it. He's you know, he's trying to he's

759
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: taking the company line. He's jumping on board with him.

760
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: You know all that saying twenty to thirty would have

761
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: been high thirty to forty rights, It's just in the

762
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: year twenty twenty one, running backs don't carry the ball

763
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: thirty times, let alone forty forty times. What's he's been?

764
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: That's hyperboleic A he doing come on, man, uh, if

765
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna say something, make it credible. I get it.

766
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: It was almost snarky. It's almost he almost the numbers

767
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: were so high it's almost snark. It'd be like he

768
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: said he's gonna carry the ball every single play of

769
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: the entire season, Like all right, you know what I mean?

770
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: That was almost like snark When he says it like

771
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: that thirty to forty times. Stop it is simply not

772
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: just stop. It simply not happening. I get it. I'm

773
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: he's trying to be a company man. But bro, that

774
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: defense really gonna be worried about our run game. We're

775
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: gonna hand it off forty times a game. Okay. I

776
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: think anybody would welcome that approach. Any defense in the

777
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: league would say, have had it, hand it off, have

778
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: ad it. So I think that Cameron Hayward is horribly incorrect,

779
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 1: and that's probably much to the relief of Steelers fans.

780
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's where that sits. Thought we'd mentioned

781
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: that to you, knowing the Bills will be hosting the

782
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: Steelers in Week one. We are going to step aside here,

783
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: but when we return, we will have the man who

784
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: is probably best known in NFL circles for his annual

785
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: special teams rankings that he's done for well over thirty

786
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: years now, even when special teams wasn't even an afterthought

787
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: as for no Offense Steve, but the writer for SI

788
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: dot Com Talk of Fame network Pro Football Hall of

789
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: Fame selector Rick Goslin, we'll join us next. We'll talk

790
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: to him about the Bills special teams where they finished

791
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: in his rankings, among some other things that he's been

792
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: covering of late with regard to the NFL. Rick Goslin.

793
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: Next here on One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health,

794
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bills Radio at a Steve Tasker who has

795
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: been all over the fields. Kind of unique. He was

796
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: kind of a dual role player for Steve. Steve a blimp.

797
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: We're not even in the stragger of normalcy. We welcome

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00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: to howur number two of one Bills Live here on

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00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you and pleased

800
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: to be joined at this time by a man who

801
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: is about to complete his fifth decade of NFL coverage

802
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: for various news organizations over the year, but most recently

803
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: for SI dot Com Stalk of Fame Network. It is

804
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: the incomparable. Rick Goslin joining us now the pioneer of

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00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: the Special Teams rankings, and we're gonna get into that

806
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: with him, even though that was done back in January,

807
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: because the Bills have some interesting changes coming up on

808
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: their Special Teams units, which we'll get to in a minute.

809
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: But Rick, how are you doing down in Texas way? Spectacular?

810
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: It couldn't be better. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming on.

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00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you. We've we've talked sometimes

812
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: over the years, and it's always about your Special Teams rankings.

813
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: That are you know, for most people, special teams are,

814
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 1: you know, an afterthought and they, you know, they don't

815
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: really know the ins and outs. Give us an idea

816
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: not only of your ranking. How do you arrive at

817
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: your rankings? And what do you think some of the

818
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: crucial factors most people think punt, kickoff all that stuff.

819
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: What are some of the other things that went to

820
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: it that the regular fan may not be aware of. Well,

821
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: they give you a little history on it. I was

822
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: covering the Chiefs in the seventies and the eighties and

823
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: Frank ANNs was a Special Teams coach at the time,

824
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: and I was set out with Frank and he would

825
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: explain to me special teams. And back then, most teams,

826
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: a lot of teams didn't have special teams coaches. They

827
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: were the tight ends coaches, linebacker coaches. Frank was one

828
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: of the few that specialized special team and he devised

829
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: a ranking system to figure out where the Chiefs fit

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00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: in relationship wrestling. And he had fourteen categories, a lot

831
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: of the basics kick return, return, kick coverage, punt coverage,

832
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: field goals. I took that formula and I've been doing

833
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: these rankings since nineteen eighty five, and I've added categories.

834
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: I've added giveaways, takeaways, block kicks, upon his block kicks,

835
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: points scored, points allowed, and I've gotten I've got a

836
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: system with twenty two categories. What I do is at

837
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: grade every team one through thirty two. If you were

838
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: the best, you could one point. If you're the worst,

839
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: you could thirty two points. And the goal is to

840
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: have the fewest points. And I think Bills were in

841
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: the top ten this year in New England wanted, which

842
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: is no surprise. Belichick's place the greatest premium on special

843
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: teams as any coach in football, but it's over twenty

844
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: two character categories. I don't I'd rather be on a

845
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: compassing than just pick or two or three categories that

846
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: I think are most most important. Yeah, so what can

847
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: we say about you know, Heath Farwell's second year as

848
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: special teams coordinator in twenty twenty. I think even he

849
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: admitted after his first year there were some things that

850
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: he would notice either on film in terms of getting

851
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: ready for a game plan in a given week or

852
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: in the scope of a game, and wanted to be

853
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: aggressive in making adjustment. But I think as a first

854
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: year coordinator in twenty nineteen, even he admits he was

855
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: a little bit more conservative. He promised to be a

856
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: little bit more aggressive in twenty twenty, and I think

857
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: some of those results were born out in some of

858
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: the rankings that you found. Yeah, I think he's had

859
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: probably swimming last year as the first time coach, But

860
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: like you, he had been a special team's AC had

861
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: very good special teams nasonal in this league. He understood

862
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: special teams, He appreciated special teams, and I think Shawn

863
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: has made a commitment to special teams. You know, people

864
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: talk about special teams being a third of the game

865
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: but like you said, at the top, it's it's pretty

866
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: much lip service. I think the commitment of special teams

867
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: comes from the head coach. You know, Belichick's roots or

868
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: as a special team's coach, They're very important to him.

869
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: Bill Kauer was a special team's coach. Special teams are

870
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: very important to him. And I think Sean appreciates special teams,

871
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: maybe because he had been done with Philadelphia and been

872
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: there with Harbaugh and Harballs another head coach who his

873
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: background with special teams and puts a great emphasis on

874
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: special teams. I think it comes from the top. You

875
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: have to make a commitment to practice time and personal

876
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: on the roster. A lot of offensive coaches come in

877
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: and they would rather carry six wired receivers on a

878
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: game day roster as opposed to that extra linebacker, and

879
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: that impacts are special teams. I want guys on my

880
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: special teams who can tackle of history of tackling. If

881
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: your group is all backup running backs and wide receivers

882
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: and tight ends, you're probably not gonna be very good

883
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: in special teams, right. And it comes down to roster

884
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: management on game day, how much flexibility. And I'm just

885
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: to break away from that for a minute. How much

886
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: of that roster flexibility were teams able to exploit in

887
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: your opinion last year with the extra guys, the larger

888
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: practice squad, all of that stuff. Did you get any

889
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: sense that, Man oh man, it was really nice last

890
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: year for the head coaches because of the flexibility. They

891
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: had to do that on game to carry the extra

892
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: offensive lineman last year and also have extra guys available

893
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: in case something happened. They could put either professional special

894
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: teams players out there or go heavy at one position

895
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: or other with down and distance guys. Yeah, if with

896
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: the previous roster limit, a lot of times that very

897
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: good special teams guy that was the sixth receiver or

898
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: the fifth fronting back didn't make the team. Those guys

899
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: are now on the roster access those players on game day,

900
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: and I think depending who you're playing, and if you're

901
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 1: playing the Patriots, you're going to meet some special teams guys.

902
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: You know what they did last year, they had four

903
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl caliber special teams they I've never seen a

904
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: group like that before. You know, a Slater and Ebner

905
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: and Justin Bethel. They were loaded, and I think part

906
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: of the reason was that that those extra roster space

907
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: can carry them, and I think you saw the guys

908
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: that might have been cut on the final cuts special

909
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: teams guys were carried over and got onto the field

910
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: in games. The interesting thing that's facing the Bills going

911
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty one, Rick, is the fact that they've

912
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: moved on from their punner at Corey Bojorquez. And this

913
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: was a team that finished first in punting, fifth in

914
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: net punting with bo Joe, and now they move on

915
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: to Matt Hawke, who they got for Miami and free agency.

916
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: And also, and this has gone kind of under the

917
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: radar to a certain extent too, their Pro Bowl caliber

918
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: return man Andre Roberts is now in Houston. So that's

919
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: a role that has to be filled and they have

920
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: candidates on the roster, but there's no guarantees anybody's going

921
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: to be at a Pro Bowl caliber level. How much

922
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: could that impact Buffalo special teams rankings going into twenty

923
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: twenty one, Oh very much so. I mean, Roberts was

924
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: a threat, and you don't know, Like I said, you

925
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: don't know what you've got. You knew what you have

926
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: with Roberts, you knew what you had with the other partner.

927
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: I mean they fit in the locker room and they

928
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: fit in the into the game plans. You don't know

929
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: what you have, but that's this is the nature of

930
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: special teams. I remember John Harbo was at the Eagles

931
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: and he had finished first and specials back to back years,

932
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: and a month into the third season they were struggling

933
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: and Andy Reid one in said, John, what's going on?

934
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: And so, what's going on? You got rid of four

935
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: of my top five guys. That's what's going on. You know,

936
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: the good special teams have continuity. You know, they keep

937
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: their races, they keep their kickers uponners if they're hatty

938
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: with them. And I think when you disrupt the continuity,

939
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: you disrupt the success of special teams. And it's going

940
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: to be interesting to see what the Bills do without Roberts,

941
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: without the partner. I'm not here to, you know, cast

942
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: dispersions on any specific team, but are there is there

943
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: a handful of team or maybe a head coach who's

944
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: moved around in the league a couple of times, or

945
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: that you think really doesn't give enough you know, roster

946
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: spots to a special team's corps. There are their teams

947
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: that are notoriously you know, downgrading their special teams or

948
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: notoriously just bad at special teams because they don't care.

949
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: Find the offensive coaches separate the offensive coaches from the

950
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: defensive coaches. Defensive head coaches gen they put more regard

951
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: in special teams than offensive guys. I think a lot

952
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: of it goes back to the Bill Wall's philosophy and

953
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: Bills at San Francisco, his idea of extra point of

954
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: special teams kicking extra points, and I think a lot

955
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: of offensive guys want to carry that fifth running back,

956
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: that sixth receiver on game day, and defensive coach will

957
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: generally go at that extra linebacker or that extra safety

958
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: cornerback who has a background and tackling. By and large,

959
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: you look at the defensive coaches and the head coach

960
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: and this like those the people that place a great

961
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: of premium on special teams than the offensive guys do.

962
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: A lot of the offensive guys think they're their gurus

963
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: and that their offense is going to carry the team.

964
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: They don't need defensive special teams. They're going to score

965
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: enough points to win. That's not always the case, right.

966
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: It's interesting too, Rick, that you know you've got the

967
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: Patriots leading the way first in your rankings, and then

968
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: Miami and Buffalo are seventh and eighth. I know the

969
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: Jets were far off the pace, They're like twenty sixth

970
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: or something, But how and Laura's attention to special teams

971
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: there's no surprise coming from the Belichick coaching tree. But

972
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: how much do you feel it's peer influence within the division?

973
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe these guys were always well rooted in

974
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: special teams and the importance of that phase of the

975
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: game from the jump. But you got to keep up

976
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 1: with the Joneses now too, if you're in a division

977
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: that's this competitive. So the Jets have some work to

978
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: do obviously. Is there another division with three teams in

979
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: the top ten like this? I don't know if there is,

980
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: and if not, where do you kind of is the

981
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: AFC he's the gold standard, I guess, for lack of

982
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: a better term, as long as as long as Belichick's there,

983
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: they've seed the gold standard because you build a team

984
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: to win your division. You don't build a team to

985
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. You've got to win your division

986
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: to have a chance to win a super Bowl. And

987
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: if you're gonna if you want to be in for

988
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: twenty years, the Pagris were a team you had to

989
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: be and you couldn't come in with substandards special teams.

990
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: I've seen the Patriots win games on special teams. Dallas

991
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: wanted there a couple of years back. Pages one on

992
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: a block punt. Now, if you're gonna let the pages

993
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: run all over you in the kicking game, then you're

994
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: not gonna beat the Patriots. And what people don't understand,

995
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: it's the largest chunks of yards that are exchanged in

996
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: the game are on the kicking downs, and if you

997
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: don't put a premium on that, you're gonna find yourself

998
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: with the short end of those yarded sticks. And that's

999
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: why if you got the kickoff guy and the punter,

1000
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's forty fifty yards, you're you're switching

1001
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: field positions. And Belichick has always had a great appreciative

1002
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: appreciation of that. Yeah, we've always said that it's one

1003
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: third of the game offense, defense, and special teams. The

1004
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: snap count is not one third of the game. It's

1005
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: more like twenty percent of the snaps. A kicking team

1006
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: is like twenty percent. But like you said, it's the

1007
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: only it's the only game and the only part of

1008
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: the game where you've got wide swings in field position.

1009
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: And it's also one of the only parts of the

1010
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: game where you're gonna voluntarily give the ball to your opponent.

1011
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: You gotta kick it to him. And it's also one

1012
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: part of the game where you're gonna try for points

1013
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: on this play. Are either gonna make this field goal,

1014
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: make this extra point, or you're not. So for those

1015
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: three aspects of those twenty percent of the snaps, it

1016
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: kind of inflates the impact of that twenty percent of

1017
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: the snaps into a full third of the game. Do

1018
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: you think is there a one of the top ten

1019
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: groups that you ranked this year in special teams? Was

1020
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: there a team that couldn't play offense and defense but

1021
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: played special teams really well? Is there anybody like that

1022
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: in that group? Well, you'd have to find a team

1023
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't have the quarterback. It's not that doesn't have

1024
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback. I think special teams helped in Baltimore, right.

1025
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: I think they were kind of one dimensional with the

1026
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: running game with Lamar Jackson specially, and Harball has always

1027
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: putting episode special teams. They're generally a top ten team.

1028
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: Dallas benefited they lost their quarterback in the first month.

1029
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: The defense was terrible, but they had a top ten

1030
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: specials here, top eleven special teams unit, which helped them,

1031
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: and it didn't salvage your season. Well. Without special teams,

1032
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: it would have been a disaster. Again, they brought in

1033
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: John Fossil, who's got a history of special team success,

1034
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: and because they brought Fossil and they made a commitment

1035
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: to special teams, so that helped. But by large, special

1036
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: teams are a greater play, greater factor for teams that

1037
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: don't have the franchise quarterback. Rick, just changing gears here.

1038
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: I know you had a little fun putting together your

1039
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: all time undrafted team in the wake of the draft.

1040
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: As we know, it seems like undrafted guys tend to

1041
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: have longer and more productive careers in many cases than

1042
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: some of the high draft choices. So I was looking

1043
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: up and down the list here, and there's one guy

1044
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: that's not on the list, Rick, that I'm curious if

1045
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: you gave consideration too at the offensive tackle position. It

1046
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: was a guy that began his career here in Buffalo

1047
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: and is still an active player by the name of

1048
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: Jason Peters. Yeah, he was. He was a third tackle

1049
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: would have been he or Luke Roza, who's got a

1050
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame bust punt with Rosa and Jacoby has

1051
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: been a Hall of Fame Finals was an all decade player.

1052
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: I had no problem with those two. I had, you know,

1053
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: some some complaints above various people. But I'll tell you

1054
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: what I was. I was surprised myself at the quality

1055
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: of play you had I picked. Of course, I picked

1056
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: five special teams. Guys, you knew why I would so.

1057
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: I had a twenty seven player team, and all twenty

1058
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: seven of the players had been to Pro Bowls. Thirteen

1059
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: were Hall of Famers, sixteen were all decade picks. Right Now.

1060
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: The special teams were particularly interesting because the kicker is

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Speaker 1: the NFL's all time leading scorer, Adam vine Terry. The

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01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: punter punted more than any player, any potter in history,

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01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: Jeff Fiegels. He also old the NFL record by playing

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01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty two consecutive games. The kick returner

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01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: old the NFL with eight kick returns for touchdowns Josh Cribbs.

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01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: The deep snapper Don Jolbach hit right now has a

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Speaker 1: Detroit Lion record of two hundred and sixty career games.

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01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: He's been there forever. And the special teams guy, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: Bill Bates. They created the specialties spot in the Pro

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01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: Bowl four bits that one year. So you've got up

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Speaker 1: and down. I've had a Hall of famers, you know,

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Speaker 1: on the offensive defense, but special teams that was a

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01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: particularly stout group. And look look at defensive backfield. I

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01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: had four Hall of Famers in my defensive backfield. There

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: was a second team that also was Pull of famers,

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01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: Emma Thomas, Jack Butler Corners and Willie Wood Donnie Shell's safety.

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01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: You had eight of famers in defensive backfield. And all

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01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: these guys are all decade guys, and they got fifteen interceptions.

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01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: It was amazing. The talent on Randall Hall of Famer

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01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: Ye Drew Parrison goes in this year, little and Languor

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01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: or the main stays that offensive line of those great

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: Dolphin teams, and neither one was drafted. I was I

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01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: knew I'd find some interesting names, but I was surprised

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01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: how deep and how strong this undrafted class was. I

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01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: got it. I got an idea for you, and off

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01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: the top of my head, I don't want to get

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01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: you out of left field with this question. But if

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01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: you had, if you had to pick sides, and on

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01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: one side, you could take the Hall of Fame guys,

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01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: all of them, the undrafted guys, the first ballot, Hall

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01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: of Famers, all of the guys that are in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, whether they were drafted or not, whether

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01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: they were the first pick of the drafted not where

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01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: their first ballot or whatever. Take all the guys in

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01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, or take the field every other

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01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: guy who played in the Hall of Fame who's not

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01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. I would have to take

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01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 1: the Hall of Famers, because that's where the real greatness, says,

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01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: I would have Unitus a quarterback, and Jim Brown of

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: back and buscat said. Bucket said, I've been a linebacker.

1101
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: But I'm on the Hall of Fame Senior Committee, and

1102
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: this is my twenty fifth year on the committee, and

1103
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: I've got a list of eighty players that I think

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01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: deserved to be discussed as seniors, Guys that should have

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01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: been who had careers worthy of discussion, and most have

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01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: never been discussed. You know a couple of guys, a

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01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: couple of guys that you would know, Cornelius Bennette. It

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01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: bobbles my mind that he's never been a Hall of

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01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: Fame finalist. Ken Hall. I don't know how great players

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01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: have slipped through the cracks like they have. There's a

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01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: linebacker on the sixties named maxi Bad. He went to

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01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: nine Pro Bowls in the nineteen sixty decade alone. That

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01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: was more Pro Bowls than the four All decade linebackers

1114
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: of the sixties combined. He's never been a finalist. How

1115
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: does that happen? He said? There are you know I was.

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01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: I was for that centennial class. I was hoping that

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01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: we put in ten, fifteen, even twenty twenty five guys

1118
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: in that sentener class. They were end up putting in ten.

1119
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: I thought twenty or twenty five candidate. That's would have

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01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: really eased a log jams and senior committee, and it

1121
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: would have helped guys like Bennett and Hall. But it

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01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: didn't happen. So now we're back to bringing out one

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01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: senior a year from a list that has eighty names

1124
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: on it. There are Hall of Fame players that will

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01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: never get that bust because they've been lost in the

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01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: pages of time. And that's why I asked, because I

1127
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: know there are a lot of guys like Cornelius and

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01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: Kent and other guys on every all thirty two other

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01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: teams that are that are quality guys, and it would

1130
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: be I think it'd be a really great game that

1131
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame guys against the field and all

1132
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: those guys that are that are very that are great

1133
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: players and players that you know the rest of us.

1134
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: You know, most people would not remember unless they're real

1135
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: fans of that one team. But you know, there's a

1136
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: ton of guys from this franchise alone that you know

1137
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: that I love to respect it that I played with,

1138
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: and guys that I knew and watched played in the past,

1139
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: and there's from other thirty two teams. So I thought

1140
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: it'd be a really neat question for you, and maybe

1141
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: in your research you'd put together a team of you know,

1142
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: I obviously the Hall of Fame guys standalone, they're they're

1143
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: phenomenal athlete. But I think the field, the guys that

1144
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: aren't in the Hall of Fame, you could make his

1145
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: case for them, they could put together a pretty good

1146
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: team as well. Yeah, very much. So. Um, you know,

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01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: I think Ken Annis would probably be the quarterback. I'm

1148
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: puzzled why he's not in. I'll tell another guy from

1149
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo that I think should have been discussed some post,

1150
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: Tom Sestak. He was a great, great defensive lineman in

1151
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: those AFL days. But I think that the AFL as

1152
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: a league has been shortened by the Hall of Fame Committee.

1153
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: You know, virtually everybody from the nineteen sixties NFL All

1154
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: Decade team and now has a buston can. I think

1155
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: only nine of the twenty two from the ANFL are in.

1156
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: And I think that was a better league than people

1157
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: are giving credit for, and a lot more players should

1158
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: have been discussed. It should have been enshrined by this point.

1159
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: That haven't been right, Yeah, because it's only Billy Shaw

1160
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: shows the only Bills player from the a as a senior,

1161
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: and he also is the only player who didn't have

1162
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: any NFL playing experience his entire career with the AFL.

1163
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: And he's the only one of that caliber as well.

1164
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: So now you got to think there's other guys the

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01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: other Garden that team ed Buddy. He was the third

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01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: overall pick of an NFL draft. He went to Kansas City,

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01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: they paid him more, and he was He went to

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01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: nine Pro BAWL, eight Pro Bawls. He was all decade

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Speaker 1: along with Billy. He's never been discussed ed. Buddy deserved

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01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: to be discussed, you know. It's it's good that Billy

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01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: got in. Buddy should be there with him, though he

1172
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: was on a par with Billy and those AFL guys

1173
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: have just been shorted in this process and it's it's

1174
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: it's not been fair purely out of curiosity. Rick, who

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01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: was the other undrafted quarterbacks that finished as runners up

1176
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: to Kurt on your list? You're all undrafted team? Second

1177
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: team was Warren Moon, Yeah, third team was Tony Romo,

1178
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: fourth team was Jeff Garcia. The fifth team was Dave Craig.

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01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: Sixth team with Jake Alone. Yeah. Pretty good, good group,

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01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: pretty good group. Yeah, that's a good quarterback. Man. The

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01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: field is tough. The field is that. The Hall of

1182
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: Fame guys are the tough. I mean they're the standard,

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01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: But the rest of the field is tough. Man. That's

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01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: why it's so hard to get in there. Man. There's

1185
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: a lot of wreath the good ball players out there.

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01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell what I could. I could win a lot

1187
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: of games with this team that gave you. Yeah, yeah,

1188
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean I've got a couple of Hall of famers

1189
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: in the backfield, but i'd have Priest Homes coming off

1190
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: the bench. I like what I got with Priest Holmes

1191
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: coming off the ytch. Yeah, he's been a league leading

1192
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: rusher and great receiver. That's tremendous. Listen, Rick, we appreciate

1193
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: the time very much. Thanks for spelling out special teams

1194
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: for us coming off this last season. I know you'll

1195
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: have your ear to the ground on it again here

1196
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, and it was fun going over

1197
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: this undrafted team with thanks for the time. Thanks, Rick,

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01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: appreciate you man all right. Rick Goslin from the Talk

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Speaker 1: of Fame Network in association with SI dot Com and

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01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: UH set to complete his fifth decade of NFL coverage

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01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: as a professional journalist. Unbelievable career and a Hall of

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01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: Fame selector, which he's been doing for a long long time,

1203
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: twenty five years of that he's been doing it. So

1204
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: yeah him, Yeah, he is. Uh, he's one of those

1205
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 1: NFL human encyclopedias. That's right. There's a there's a handful

1206
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: of those guys around the league. He's one of them. Yeah,

1207
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: that's why you know you you really know that the

1208
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: work guys are doing their homework. The voters, the guys

1209
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 1: who think about the Hall of Fame vote on it.

1210
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: They really take it very seriously, and you feel good

1211
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: about the selection they have because and certainly there are

1212
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: guys that you would wish we're discussing all that, but man,

1213
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: oh man, you cannot argue with the guys that they

1214
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: put in the whole because they are on it. Yeah,

1215
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: they are on it. And that's why I asked him

1216
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: about Jason Peters because I was rolling through my head

1217
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: who would be the number one undrafted Bills player And

1218
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: even though he only spent his first five years here,

1219
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: I think it's probably Jason Peters. I mean, the guy

1220
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: had a set has a seventeen year career, may play

1221
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 1: again this year at left tackle. Yeah, nine Pro Bowls,

1222
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: two First team All Pros, undrafted, and came out of

1223
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: college as a tight end. Yeah. And you watched and

1224
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: he said he was his third tackles. You watch, you

1225
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: watch him in the prime of his career, Jason Peters,

1226
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: and watch him take a pass rusher on. It's pretty amazing.

1227
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: How athletic he is, just absolutely amazing. I remember when

1228
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: he completed his first full season at left tackle for

1229
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: the Bills. I think it was back in two thousand

1230
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: and six and I was at the NFL Combine and

1231
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: I was doing a story on Peters for Buffalo Bills

1232
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: dot Com, and I wanted to get some opinion from

1233
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: around the leagues. So I'm like, oh, let me do

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01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 1: this at the combine. I can get a couple of coaches,

1235
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, maybe flag somebody down. And so who do

1236
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: I flag down? I flagged down Rex Ryan, who at

1237
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: the time was the defensive coordinator of the Ravens, And

1238
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: so I said to him, I said, hey, um, curious

1239
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: if I could just ask you a couple of quick

1240
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: questions about Jason Peters and just you know what you

1241
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: see of him on film as you know, a defensive coach,

1242
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: and he's just his eyes like almost popped out of

1243
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: his head, like that guy's ridiculous. He goes, that guy

1244
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: is a problem. He goes, we purposely line up our

1245
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: best pass rushers on the other side so they don't

1246
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: have to because you're not going anywhere against that guy.

1247
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: And you know, that's why he had the nickname the bodyguard,

1248
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 1: because that's what he was for quarterbacks. I mean, you

1249
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: felt pretty good with that guy on the left side. Man,

1250
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: he carried his weight so naturally and was so strong

1251
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: and so so quick in athletic He's so exploit He

1252
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: was explosive as a big three hundred and thirty pound guy. Yeah,

1253
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: just amazing. You know that those that's why you you know,

1254
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: that's why, that's why you look. That's you look for

1255
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: those guys. You look for traits. Yeah, and that guy

1256
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: had all the traits and that they could see it

1257
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: his His other most popular nickname besides the Bodyguard was

1258
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: Mythical Creature. That's his teammates called the Mythical Creature because

1259
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: there was nobody that weighed three hundred thirty pounds who

1260
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: deserved to move the way he could move. He could sigh,

1261
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: he could step, he could shuffle side to side, set

1262
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: his feet move just I mean, he looked like an

1263
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: NBA shooting guard. Yeah. Yeah, he looked like a five

1264
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:49,480
Speaker 1: five nine scatback, you know. I mean he was just unbelievable.

1265
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: Too easy for yeah, too easy for him. Um, you know,

1266
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: just completed his seventeenth season unbelievable um and ran us

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Speaker 1: up five forty at the combine. He ran a forty

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Speaker 1: eight five, So not bad. He's fast, not that you

1269
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: gotta lift it. But I still remember when he came

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01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: here as a rookie Steve, and they weren't quite sure

1271
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 1: what to do with him yet in his rookie season,

1272
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 1: but they gave him to Bobby April to use on

1273
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: special teams. And I still remember the game at Cincinnatick.

1274
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: He busts through the line block. He didn't only block

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01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: the kick, he blocked the punt, jumped out it in

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01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: the end zone for the touch team. Was the first

1277
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: guy to the ball. Not only that, And I've blocked

1278
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: punt sign I mean, I know, and I've seen other

1279
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: guys doing I've watched it. The thing, I spit my

1280
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: coffee out watching the game. I was like, what did

1281
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: he just do? And not that it was a block

1282
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: kick that you know you've seen him once in a while.

1283
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: But here's why for a guy like me, if you

1284
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: got if I came off the ball and you got

1285
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: your hands on me and just boom, made me just

1286
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: stand up and hesitate. I was not gonna get too late.

1287
01:12:54,360 --> 01:13:00,839
Speaker 1: It's too late. He went right up the gut forearmed

1288
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: one just lifted one guy off with his forearm, blew

1289
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: through the other so he like goes through two guys

1290
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: and still gets there and block the kick. You can't

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: stop that, right, I was like, why he should block

1292
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: every single punt of every game. If that's the case,

1293
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: If you can go through a block to get there,

1294
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: that should be in Poli because all you gotta all

1295
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: they teach you to do is just make the guy

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01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: just just buckle once, you know, and then you can

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01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: let him go because he's never gonna reach because the

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01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: punt's off and he can plows through and then he's

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: and then he's the fastest guy fifteen yards to the football. Yeah,

1300
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an amazing there's the league is full

1301
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: of amazing people and both physically and mentally and personality

1302
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: wise and all that. I mean the Bills, this Bills

1303
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: team is full of them. But there are some people

1304
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: that and like I tell you this all the time,

1305
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: when you get guys who when they're talking about another player,

1306
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: when that that player's not in the room and they're

1307
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: talking about him and they and they whisper about him.

1308
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: That's how good the guy is. Yeah, Because it's it's

1309
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: a hard group to impress. And Jason Peters has people whispering.

1310
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: There's the bodyguard. That dude's a mythical creature. Here's the

1311
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: mythical creature that that is the ultimate sign of that guy.

1312
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: You're special when you get people to whisper about you

1313
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: like that deep deep end to the gene pool. Yeah,

1314
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: we have to take a break here. We're gonna resume

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: our conversation on the Twitter poll. How much stock do

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01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: you put in the oddsmakers making the Bills favorites in

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01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: fifteen of their seventeen games in twenty twenty one? Choice

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Speaker 1: is there for you at one Bills Live. So way

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Speaker 1: in on the conversation or give us a call eight

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Speaker 1: oh three oh five fifty one eight to eighty five

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Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty Back in a moment here on

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, presented by Kalid to Health, It's Buffalo

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01:14:44,920 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: Bills Radio. Welcome back to One Bills Live. Chris Browns

1324
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: thee at tasker with you and Steve dovetailing off of

1325
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 1: mister Goslin's Special Teams discussion. I did want to bounce

1326
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: it off you as well. I asked him the question

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01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: about how much Buffalo's Special Teams rankings could be impacted

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01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: by some of the changes they've made in the kicking game.

1329
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 1: Most notably, they're going to have a new punter. And

1330
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: this was a team that ranked first in punning in

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01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: Goslin's rankings last year, the fifth in net punting. They

1332
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: also punted less than any That is true. That is true,

1333
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: and maybe that reduces the the impact of a change

1334
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: at the punter position. But let me know where you're

1335
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: at in terms of what could affect Buffalo's special teams

1336
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: effectiveness on the field with a new punter and a

1337
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: new return man, new punter returnment and by and by,

1338
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, a process of elimination. Uh Tyler basket gonna

1339
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:05,799
Speaker 1: have a new holder correct as well, same long snapper,

1340
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: although Matt Hawk coming in is snapping from the other brother,

1341
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: so um Reid Ferguson's brother Blake. Blake was snapping in Miami.

1342
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: If the offense plays like it did last year, the

1343
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: punting is not going to hurt you too much because

1344
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,560
Speaker 1: Matt Hawk is really good. And I went back and

1345
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: watched the Miami game and took special interest in what

1346
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: Hawk did. Now, it was a rainstorm, the grass was slippery,

1347
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: but Hawk crushed the Bills with a couple of punts

1348
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: inside the ten from way out and back pedaled him in.

1349
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: That was really good. Well done by him. That's one

1350
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I think the Bills were interested

1351
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: in signing him. He had some really good games against Buffalo.

1352
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: Hawk did no question. Corey Baroquez had his best season

1353
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: as a pro, obviously in his contract year, and he

1354
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 1: came out and wanted and wanted more money than the

1355
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: Bills thought he was worth. And now the Bills have

1356
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: Matt Hawk as their punter. It's a it's a decision

1357
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:18,759
Speaker 1: on Corby Orchis, but I think punter, kicker, long snapper,

1358
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: and the return man. It's hard to go away from

1359
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: Andre Roberts. The guy's a Pro Bowl caliber return man.

1360
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: Like I said, he is a day, He's a problem

1361
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: back there, not only because of his abilities to catch

1362
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: and return kicks, but also his decision making when to

1363
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: catch it, when to fair catch it, when to let

1364
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: it go, how to act back there, and how to

1365
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: help your teammates stay away from a bad kick, all

1366
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: the things that return man's gotta do. Andre's great at that.

1367
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: A young player coming in, don't know if he's going

1368
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 1: to be mature enough to handle that responsibility. On top

1369
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 1: of just being a great guy with a ball in

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01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 1: his hand. That's the big thing for me and this

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01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: special team's thing. When you're talking about the specialist, the

1372
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 1: return man, who's gonna returns, who's gonna return punts, the

1373
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: decision maker back there is going to be all important

1374
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: net let alone his abilities. Having said that, a lot

1375
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: of it comes down to, you know, as Tyler Medakevitch

1376
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: going to be a core guy, is a J. Klein

1377
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: going to be a core guy? Taiwan Jones is back,

1378
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna help. Certainly they're gonna have some quality guys

1379
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: with some experience, or Bam Johnson will be back. He's

1380
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: a Smith? Is that Andre Smith? Andre Smith will go back. Yet,

1381
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: They've got enough core group of guys to continue to

1382
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: be very good in their coverage units. Bass's ability to

1383
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: get the ball deep on kickoffs. Yeah, they're gonna be

1384
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: good again. They're gonna have to They're gonna have to

1385
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: sprinkle in. Some of these young players are gonna have

1386
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: to learn how to do it and learn fast. It

1387
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: should be noted that the Bills had the second highest

1388
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: jump in Rick Goslin's rankings from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty.

1389
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: This is where you tip your hat to Heath Farwell.

1390
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: They were twenty eight in twenty nineteen, and now in

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01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: this past year twenty twenty, they moved up to eighth.

1392
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's a jump of twenty one spots. The

1393
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: only team that had a bigger jump than them last

1394
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: year were the Colts, who went from twenty ninth to fourth. Yeah,

1395
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: twenty ninth or fourth. The Ravens also with a respectable

1396
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: jump right behind the Bills twenty fifth to fifth, jump

1397
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: of twenty spots. So you know, when you step back

1398
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 1: and look at the season, head coaches are nothing if

1399
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: not self critical, good ones. John Harbaugh was a former

1400
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: special teams coach. He knows that's unacceptable being the bottom

1401
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: five or six of the league. There's no reason for it.

1402
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 1: And plush when the special teams coach brings you says, listen, coach,

1403
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: you're keeping this sixth running back on the roster. He's

1404
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: not playing, he's not playing snaps even when he's active.

1405
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 1: But you give me this guy, he'll play more snaps

1406
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: on special teams. And all you're losing is the two

1407
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 1: snaps this guy gave you on offense. So what are

1408
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,560
Speaker 1: we talking about here? And that's and that's what a

1409
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: head coach has to look at and say, Okay, where

1410
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: are we getting most of our saves? If I get

1411
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: fifty three guys, how many of those fifty three you're

1412
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: going to get the most snaps? When we can spread

1413
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: it out and be most efficient with our snap counts

1414
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: on special teams, offense and defense. You don't want to

1415
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: bring a guy in there who's gonna stand over there.

1416
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: You know, you got your backup quarterback, your third quarterbacks

1417
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: got a clipboard. Your backup quarterbacks got a clipboard. That's it.

1418
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: Everybody else is on the field, and you've got to

1419
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: maximize those snaps. Among the top five rankings last year

1420
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: for the Bills in special teams categories, first in kick

1421
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: return average, fourth in punt return average. That's all. That's

1422
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: to a large degree, Andre Roberts no longer part of

1423
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 1: the equation. Third in kick coverage, second in average drive

1424
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: start for their opponents off kickoffs. Second. Oh sorry, I'm sorry.

1425
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: They were second in their own kickoff average drive start,

1426
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: second in opponents average drive start off kickoffs, and as

1427
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: I mentioned, first in punt fifth in net punting. So

1428
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see if they can sustain

1429
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: those rankings. I mean, that's kind of where you want

1430
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: to be. That's where you want to be in a

1431
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: lot of those categories. So time changes, we'll see if

1432
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: they can pull that off. We'll kind of step forward

1433
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: if if you can quantify it, how many kind of

1434
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: step forward is Tyler Bass going to be able to make?

1435
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: What a faster start? Maybe he went two two of

1436
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: four in his first two weeks or something like that,

1437
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: and kick I missed a couple of kicks in then

1438
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: he ripped off in a row, ripped off eleven in

1439
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: a row, and then he'd get to Arizona. He hits

1440
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: three in the first half from fifty plus bangs three

1441
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: of them right through in a game that the Bills

1442
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: have got to think they had a chance to win

1443
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: at the end with the hail Murray who that beat him,

1444
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: that Tyler Bass played extremely well. I don't know how

1445
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: he takes a step forward if unless you know it's

1446
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 1: just what a couple of percentage points in accuracy well

1447
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: and the last year with Stephen Hauskin twenty nineteen, the

1448
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,759
Speaker 1: Bills were eighteenth in the league and in touchback percentage

1449
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: on kickoffs, you know, putting it through the back of

1450
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: the end zone, no return allowed kind of thing. And

1451
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: last year the Bills moved from eighteenth to ninth. With

1452
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 1: Tyler bass on the kickoffs, had a touchback percentage of

1453
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: almost sixty eight percent, which was ninth best in the league.

1454
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: And you were seeing people in MSG hit a fifty

1455
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: four or fifty five, then a fifty three. They all

1456
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: went through the first one doinked off the right, upright,

1457
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 1: and then back through the second one from fifty five

1458
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: yards would have been good from sixty. And then he

1459
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: hit a fifty eight yard or after that, and he

1460
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: hit a fifty hit. I mean, the guy was unbelievable.

1461
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: It was bassmatic. He was kicking Tyler kicking bass he

1462
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: was He was really good. He needs to do that again,

1463
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 1: obviously he had. It took him a minute, and it

1464
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: took him a month to kind of get acclimated. He

1465
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: missed an extra point I think in Vegas or a

1466
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: few gold in Vegas, and then he missed a couple.

1467
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: Where was in week two? Was it? I believe he

1468
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: can't missed a couple or gonna remember. And then he

1469
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: hit six of eight in against the Jets. Yeah and yeah,

1470
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: just all the points against that, I think he I

1471
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: think most Bills fans were really happy with the way

1472
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: he finished the season and carried himself. And most of

1473
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: the NFL clubs that had a higher touchback percentage than

1474
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: the Bills, most of them were either warm weather or

1475
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: indoor teams. So Bills ranked ninth in the league in

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Speaker 1: touchback percentage last year. Eighth was Denver High Altitude Ball

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01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: Flies further seventh was Miami warm Weather, Sixth was Cincinnati,

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01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: Fifth was Kansas City Big Legged Guy Butcker. Fourth was

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01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 1: New Orleans Indoor Team, third Washington, second, Tampa warm Weather Team,

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01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: first Carolina. So yeah, you gotta be pretty good. I

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01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: think you gotta be really happy with a way, pretty

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01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 1: good with the way Tyler Bass performed as a rookie,

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01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: and hopefully he's hitting it hard coming back with an

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01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: even better season this year. All right, we're gonna take

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Speaker 1: a break, step aside here, come back with more of

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the tweet sheet as we are asking you, Hey,

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01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: the NFL oddsmakers have the Bills favored in fifteen of

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01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: their seventeen regular season games. As the lines opened in

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01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, how does that make you feel? You think

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01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: they're right? On the money. Does it give you a

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01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: little cause for concern or are you not putting any

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01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: stock in it at all? Because the NFL is a

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01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: week to week league. Let us know what you think

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01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: at eighth three fifty eight eight eight five fifty two

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01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: five fifty Open lines for you there as we take

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01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: your comments there and on the tweet sheet next here

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Speaker 1: on One Bill's Live presented Body Colloid to Health, It's

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01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back Chris Brown, Steve Jasker with

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01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: you closing up our number two of the show. Our

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01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: number three is still to come, along with your phone

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01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: calls as we've got open lines for you at eight

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01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: oh three five fifty one eight eight five fifty two

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01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: five fifty Because what we want to know is how

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01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 1: much stock do you put in the oddsmakers making the

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01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:38,560
Speaker 1: Bills favorites in fifteen of their seventeen games for this

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01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: coming season. Choices are there for you at One Bills

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01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: Live on Twitter. They're right on Vegas always knows be

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01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:51,839
Speaker 1: lofty expectations makes me nervous or see unrealistic. The NFL

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01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: is a week to week league's pretty balanced poles so far,

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01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: Although right on Vegas always knows is still in the league,

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01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: but not by much. It's eighteenth and May eighteenth. That's

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01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: you don't have to apologize for being wildly optimistic, you

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01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 1: know why? You know it's May. Why not everybody's going

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01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: to super Bowl. It's like a participation trophy this time.

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01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: Even Let's go, Let's get back to the tweet sheet

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01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: brought to you by Corrigan Moving System is the official

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01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: equipment moving company of the Bills, and Tiffany says, way

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01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,799
Speaker 1: too soon to play odds on any team's success or failure.

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01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: Anything can happen to a team's roster between now and then.

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01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: An injury to a key player can change the course

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01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: of a team's season. And we haven't hit mini camp yet. Yeah,

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01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: but that's Tiffany always got to be the voice of reason.

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01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: She always gotta bring us back to earth here. Yeah,

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01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: but we're not. We're not walking in here saying, okay,

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01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: if you take this guy off and that guy off

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01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: and sit down this guy now, who's gonna know it's

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01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 1: like how they stand right now. Yeah. I think if

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01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: you do that, you got every reason to be all optimistic, giddy.

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01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: We're talking about today, Yeah, and that's nobody's hurt now, right,

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01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 1: we didn't cut our left tackle for popping his achilles

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01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: off site. You know, just I wonder what the repercussions

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01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 1: of that are gonna be for Denver From a player

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01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: acquisition perspective, I mean two other guys turned around and

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01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: happily signed with them. I mean John James goes down,

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01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: Bobby Massey's got a job. Now he's signed in three seconds.

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01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm not one year, five million for anybody below that

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01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 1: line is like, guy was an idiot. Even I know

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01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 1: that I'm signed me, I'll take his spot. Yeah, I'm

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01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: not gonna make that mistake. I'm not. You know. That's

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01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: so you don't think you guys knew. Guys know that

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01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: if they get hurt offsite, it's on them. Yeah, well

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01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: maybe not all of them. They know now, there's no

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01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: excuse for not knowing, right, And I would still say

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01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: some don't know. And I would say this that the

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01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: union saying, hey, guys, don't go in play. We need

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01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 1: to we need to get our free time back, we

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01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: need to do this. Well, you know that's fine, but

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01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:02,879
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of guys that are highly motivated

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01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: to play really well. And if it's that's the case,

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01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: they're hitting it hard in the off season wherever they are.

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01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 1: If if they're in Hawaii for a week with their families,

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01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 1: they're working out in the in the hotel gym, they're

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01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: doing something. They do that because that's who they are.

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01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: It's a guys they are. You're not gonna sit these

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01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 1: guys down and convince them that they're not gonna work

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01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: out and or you know, go to the best place

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01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: that's best for them. Now you can say, listen, stay away,

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01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 1: work out there, but they know good and well, that's

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01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: a risk. And I I don't know if it's voluntary's volunteer.

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01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: Volunteer to go in and when you're ready to leave,

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01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: take a day off. Yeah, it's volunteery. Listen, I ain't

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01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: gonna be in tomorrow. I got stuff i'm gonna do.

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01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: I got the wife and the kids. I'm gonna doing this.

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01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm taking the wife on a weekend. I'm not gonna

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01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: be around. Thanks. You don't even have to make an excuse.

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01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: This is like school with no truant officer. I just hey,

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01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: where were you yesterday? It was on my couch, bro. Thanks,

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01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 1: thanks for checking lunt. Yeah, I'm not coming in on

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01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: that day, so you can say what you want the guy,

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01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: it's a it's a risk that you're you've got to

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01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: be calculated. For me, I never took that, even even

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01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 1: me never took that risk. I was working out at

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01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 1: one place, in one place only now. It was a

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01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: different world back then, I will freely admit there weren't.

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01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 1: There wasn't a personal trainer on every street. Every strip

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01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: ball's got a personal trainer now, So that wasn't the

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01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: environment that I was playing in it. This was the

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01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: best place. This was the most well equipped. This had

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01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 1: high level athletes working out in it, just like me,

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01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: And it was had a coach that was there for

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01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: me and who knew me and knew what I was

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01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: at about. That was the best place for me. Was

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01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: it one Bill's drive every offseason? So I that was

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01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: from And I get it's a different w we live

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01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: in down That's fine. Whatever you can, you can pay me,

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01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: spend your money on whatever you want. But it makes

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01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: no sense to me that when you got facilities like this,

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01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: to spend money doing something else and taking the risk

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01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 1: along with it. Let's go to the phones at eight

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01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: oh three oh five fifty one, eight five fifty two,

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01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: five fifty. How much stock are you putting the oddsmakers

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01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: making the Bill's favorites in fifteen of their seventeen games

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01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: in this coming regular season, Mike, and Watertown is gonna

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01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: join us? Now, Mike, what do you have for us? Hi?

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01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: Balonnie High Steve appreciate you guys. Yeah, I H. I

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01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 1: don't know. There's always a game or two that you

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01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: you don't expect to win that you do, and vice

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01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: versa one that you think you're gonna win and you lose.

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01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 1: So fifteen, I think is pushing it a little, but

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01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: who knows it's possible? Um Skip bayliss On, an NFL

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01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 1: network predicted that Tampa is gonna go seventeen and oh

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01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: and back to the super Bowl. So I mean this

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01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: time of year, why not sure we can win fifteen? Yeah?

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01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean Tampa's favored in fifteen and their seventeen games,

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01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: just like the Bills are. Kansas City leads the league

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01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: and the Oddsmaker's lines with sixteen of their seventeen games

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01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: being favored in. So I mean they've they've got the

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01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: teams that a lot of people are talking about at

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01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 1: the upper echelon of the league. So it's not surprising.

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01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, Mike, I think you're right, because there's gonna

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01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: be a clunker in there somewhere. The Bills clunker was

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01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: at Tennessee last year for a myriad of reasons. But still,

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01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: and think about this some of these two it's hard,

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01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: it's and this is it's a week to week league.

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01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: I know that, and one of our choices is, hey,

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01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: it's a week to week league. But if you're talking

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01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 1: about who's going to be the better team on the field,

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01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: you can you can point to the Bills in fifteen

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01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 1: of the seventeen games and make a really good case

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01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: for that. The problem is this that when you're teams

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01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs, like the Bills, like the Bucks, like

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01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: the Packers, like Baltimore, like Cleveland, they can throw a

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01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,640
Speaker 1: stinker out there and still win and still cover. If

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01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: you're into that thing, well yeah, then the Chiefs played

1625
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: bad football for two months before they got to the

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01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: AFC Championship game. The Browns almost knocked him off in

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01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 1: the divisional round. They didn't put together a really strong effort.

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01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: They were winning by six points, by three point. It

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01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 1: didn't matter who they were playing. Good team, bad team.

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01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: The Chiefs were so good they didn't have to show

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01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 1: up to win games, which is rare in the NFL.

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01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 1: It is very rare. That's why they are They are

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01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 1: favored in sixteen to seventeen. They are the favorites. And

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01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: the Bills in that ilk as well. They can show

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01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: up and they didn't play all that good, but they won.

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01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I can point to a couple of games

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01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 1: last year, the Vegas game. They didn't play their best,

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01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: but man o, man, they won. How crazy is it, though,

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01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 1: that we're at a place where the odds makers are

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01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: saying this, and we've got a caller saying, yeah, I

1641
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: can see our way to fourteen wins. Okay, can you

1642
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: think about that mindset like now compared to last year,

1643
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 1: life comes at you fast. I mean three years. It

1644
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: is an amazing transfer the mindset of the fan base.

1645
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 1: And three years ago the Bills go to Houston and

1646
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: they're underdogs in Houston. Yeah, and they're not favored. Now

1647
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: they're favored by two touchdowns and the Houston Texans are

1648
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: the underdog in seventeen straight games right now. Yeah, going

1649
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: into the season, it'd be interesting to see how many

1650
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 1: in and how many of those games they are double

1651
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 1: digit underdogs. I would venture to guess half a dozen. Well,

1652
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: and I'm not a gambler, um neither mind, but I

1653
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 1: know this. The odds are there. They don't care. They're

1654
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 1: not saying, hey, this is how this game's gonna turn

1655
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 1: out when they when they make these outs. They're not saying, hey,

1656
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: the Bills are gonna win fifteen or seventeen games. What

1657
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 1: they're saying is that when you put those games up

1658
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: for people to wager on, this is what people are

1659
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 1: gonna wager. They're these odds are public opinion about the teams,

1660
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: National public opinion about the teams. So that's what if

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01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: anybody's out there betting and they look at this, that's

1662
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:11,600
Speaker 1: what they're thinking. That's what the odds are set on.

1663
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: It's not about the game or the teams. It's about

1664
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: public opinion and who's actually gonna lay money down on

1665
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: the game. So that's where we're sitting. So let's be

1666
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 1: real about that. It's not about the game itself. It's

1667
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 1: about the opinion about the game about and people whose

1668
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: opinion who bet. So it's easy to sit here and say, wow,

1669
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: you know this is all going to change as the

1670
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: season rolls. And I'll tell you this, if the if

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01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans do go O and four and are

1672
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 1: O and four by forty combined points ten points a game, yeah,

1673
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 1: the Bills will go up to it. They may be

1674
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 1: an unprecedented you know, twenty one point favorite. I mean

1675
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: by the time that game rolls around, I mean that's

1676
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 1: what the public opinion is gonna they may be given

1677
01:34:55,560 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 1: up seventeen points. So that's it's gonna change as they

1678
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 1: find more out more and more about what these teams

1679
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: are gonna happen. And if Deshaun Watson in Week four

1680
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: where they play the Bills, is suspended for off the

1681
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 1: field conduct and the Bills are facing who is it

1682
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 1: their backup quarterback in Houston, Yeah, Trod it's gonna be rough.

1683
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna be rough. Yeah that may they might. Oh,

1684
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's the way it is. And it's gonna

1685
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 1: these these odds are gonna change. The Bills may not

1686
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 1: able to feel sorry for you. And on May eighteenth, Yeah,

1687
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: the Bills are favored in fifteen to seventeen. By you know,

1688
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 1: by September, they may it may only be eight. I mean,

1689
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 1: just for the way that the offseason goes who knows,

1690
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 1: But when money starts getting laid down, those odds will

1691
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 1: change so they can get money the equal amount of

1692
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: money bet on both sides. Break time for us, But

1693
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 1: when we come back, more of your phone calls at

1694
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: eight oh three five fifty one, eight eight five fifty two,

1695
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 1: five fifty as we're asking you, how much stock do

1696
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 1: you put in the oddsmakers making the Bills favorites in

1697
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 1: fifteen of their seventeen games for the twenty twenty one season.

1698
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: Dave in Florida, hang tight, you'll be leading us off next.

1699
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,720
Speaker 1: Here on one Bills Live, presented by Kalida Health, It's

1700
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. At a Steve Tasker who has spent

1701
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 1: all over the fields. Kind of unique. He was kind

1702
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:41,719
Speaker 1: of a dual role players for stallone. Steve a blimp.

1703
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 1: We're not even in the stratspere of normalcy. Welcome back

1704
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 1: to our number three of one Bills Live here on

1705
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: a Tuesday, talking about how the oddsmakers have favored the

1706
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 1: Bills in fifteen of their seventeen games. Were you surprised

1707
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't seventeen to seven? Team? You know, the Chiefs

1708
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay are the only the only two Super

1709
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Bowl I knew the number was going to be high. Fifteen. Yeah,

1710
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: I guess surprised me a little bit because some of

1711
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: Buffalo's more formidable road games are their toughest opponents. The

1712
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: closest one to a pick them game is the Tennessee game.

1713
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: I think that it's the Bills by one and a half.

1714
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Actually it's the New Orleans game. Oh is it is that?

1715
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 1: The one of the Bills by one and a half

1716
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving at New Orleans and then the Bills by two

1717
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: and a half at Tennessee. Those are the slimmest margins

1718
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: of the Bills as a favorite, you would think, and

1719
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: that's I had keep going down this road. But the

1720
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 1: Saints at home as an underdog, They're hard to beat

1721
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 1: any team at home on a night game, on those

1722
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: those primetime games. This one on dogs, the special nature

1723
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: of the game, the standalone nature of the game. They're

1724
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:59,879
Speaker 1: gonna have a packed house, and the team that's the underdog,

1725
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 1: particularly the home team that's the underdog, is going to

1726
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:06,600
Speaker 1: get a boost. Yeah. Maybe they already factored that in

1727
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,759
Speaker 1: because they don't think the Taysom Hill or Jamis Winston's

1728
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:11,839
Speaker 1: going to be enough to beat a team like Buffalo.

1729
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 1: I don't, but that's a tough game. Yeah, that's a

1730
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 1: tough game. Michael Thomas's back. He was absent from that

1731
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 1: lineup for most of the year last year. How much,

1732
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 1: doc are you putting? The oddsmakers making the Bills favorites

1733
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:24,720
Speaker 1: in fifteen of their seventeen games in twenty twenty one?

1734
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: Open line for you at eight oh three, oh five,

1735
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,600
Speaker 1: fifty one eighty eight five fifty two, five fifty. We

1736
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 1: go back to the phones and to Dave in Florida. Dave,

1737
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: what do you have for us? You're on One Bill's Live.

1738
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 1: How you doing? Three? Good? Good? All right, listen. I

1739
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 1: listened to you like I agree with you both. I

1740
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 1: don't believe in this oddsmaker nonsense. I think it should

1741
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 1: be per game and not the whole season. You can't

1742
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 1: predict the whole season. And I don't believe in gambling

1743
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: like this ahead of time. I'm against it. And did

1744
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 1: they have this last year? They predict Buffalo's schedule? Did

1745
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 1: they predict how many Wednesday get well? Well, I mean

1746
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: they're not predicting wins, they're predicting who they're favoring. The

1747
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,720
Speaker 1: Bills in fifteen of their games. But yeah, I think

1748
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 1: the Bills last year was like nine, wasn't it was like, Yeah,

1749
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 1: I think it was nine nine and a half somewhere

1750
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 1: around there. Yeah, that's the difference. That's who wins the game.

1751
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 1: What the point spread is. You know, I just don't

1752
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: agree with it at all, whatsoever. I believe with stakes. Steve,

1753
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: You're right, Chris, you're right. Yeah. Well it's a week

1754
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 1: to week league. We're just trying to have some fun

1755
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 1: in the middle of May. But thanks for the call, Dave.

1756
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Um, yeah, I get it. I mean,

1757
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: and and look, these lines are gonna move. I mean,

1758
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: they're not all gonna stay this way for bets made today, right,

1759
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 1: But you ask why they're out now because Vegas is

1760
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 1: always looking to make money. You want to put a

1761
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 1: bet down now you can. They are always open, baby,

1762
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: And you know, now, with so many things unknown, you're

1763
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 1: gambling on what's gonna also what's gonna happen between now

1764
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: and then, Because if if the if the Saints game

1765
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 1: goes from one and a half to the Saints by five,

1766
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 1: you made a good bet, right, I mean, so all

1767
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 1: that can still happen. But the simple fact of the

1768
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 1: matter is this picking these games like this, it's a

1769
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: lot like the draft, except everybody's Vegas. Everybody can mock draft,

1770
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 1: right and nobody gets it right. Yeah, and it's the

1771
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 1: same it's the same success rate here with these with

1772
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 1: these And here's the other interesting thing at play. So

1773
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 1: they're favoring the Bills in fifteen of their seventeen games,

1774
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 1: but the over under win total is ten and a half.

1775
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 1: So even Vegas, yeah, is not believing that all of

1776
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 1: those lines that they've put out themselves are going to

1777
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 1: hold up and go fifteen for fifteen ten and a half. See,

1778
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:48,599
Speaker 1: here's the thing you used to know. I would take

1779
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 1: the over on that, right, exactly happily ten and a half,

1780
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:56,639
Speaker 1: I think, Man, with that schedule, yeah, I sound don't bet,

1781
01:40:56,840 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: otherwise I'd be broke. But me too, because I'm because

1782
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hammering. Luck is not a four letter word

1783
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,679
Speaker 1: that often favors me. Right, I'd be hammering the over.

1784
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: And then what happens. You know, Josh wakes up one

1785
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 1: day and he's you know, he steps off the curb

1786
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: and breaks his ankle. Oh, you know, right, last preseason

1787
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:20,719
Speaker 1: game going to the regular season he steps off the curb,

1788
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 1: snaps his ankle, and it's like, oh, now we've got

1789
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 1: Mitch Drubisky. Now we've got to get ten and a

1790
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: half wins with Mitch. I love Mitch, but man, oh man,

1791
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: that's different, and there's gonna be some There'll be some

1792
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 1: fat point spreads here. I mean, as I mentioned, it's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

1793
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 1: eleven games. Eleven of the fifteen games in which the

1794
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: Bills are favored, they're favored by a touchdown or more,

1795
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:52,320
Speaker 1: six points or more eleven. That's a big number. Two

1796
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,559
Speaker 1: biggest one is the fourteen points spread against the Texans

1797
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,080
Speaker 1: in Week four. Then they have a nine and a

1798
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 1: half point spread against the Carolina Panthers, which surprised me

1799
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 1: a little bit because I think the Panthers are gonna

1800
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:09,560
Speaker 1: be a decent team this year. I agree, eight and

1801
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 1: a half points against Atlanta at home in January, I

1802
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 1: understand that. And then everything else after that is somewhere

1803
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 1: between six and seven and a half. Seven and a half.

1804
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:26,679
Speaker 1: The next highest against Washington a week three. Yeah, I'm

1805
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm all over there. I think this, you know, the

1806
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 1: the Bills against the Steelers, the over under is forty

1807
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:37,439
Speaker 1: nine and a half. The interesting thing about the Bills

1808
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 1: Steelers game, and I only say this because I just

1809
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: happened to come across it, didn't see it after the

1810
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 1: schedule came out. The line initially opened at Bills by

1811
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 1: four and a half and it has now moved up

1812
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 1: to six, which will tell you where most people are

1813
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:55,600
Speaker 1: putting the money if it moved up a point and

1814
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 1: a half in May in one week from the schedule

1815
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: company out, oh man, And that's what I think. That's

1816
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:09,480
Speaker 1: what makes this at least an interesting topic of discussion,

1817
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: which is why we wanted to discuss it today. But

1818
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:14,560
Speaker 1: let's go back to the tweet sheet and see what

1819
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: else everybody has to say about this, because you know,

1820
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 1: some people don't want to play the game right now

1821
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 1: in May, knowing there's a lot of things that can

1822
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: change between now in September, and they're one hundred percent right.

1823
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: We're just trying to have a little fun here in

1824
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:33,560
Speaker 1: the middle of May after the schedules come out. So

1825
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: Herb on the tweet sheet says, I chose b I

1826
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: have total faith in this team. Fifteen wins in the

1827
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 1: NFL is a tough road to climb. Personally, I think

1828
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: the Bills will win fourteen. Even fourteen is a tough climb.

1829
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 1: Steve is it? Are you amazed by this? I am

1830
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 1: blown away that I know optimism reigns supreme this time

1831
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 1: of year. I mean, Heckett did when the Bills didn't

1832
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 1: have a good team. Oh my gosh. But just the

1833
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:05,839
Speaker 1: fact that we're just haphazardly thrown rowing around fourteen wins,

1834
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:09,639
Speaker 1: like I think, you know what, it's attainable. Don't think

1835
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 1: might be tough. Fifteen. Think about a fifteen win season,

1836
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 1: just for a minute, a fifteen win season. Yeah, it's crazy.

1837
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: People are going, I mean, don't fifteen is a big

1838
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 1: clim but fourteens totally attainable? What are you talking? And

1839
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 1: we're I'm just as bad. I got the floor at

1840
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 1: twelve and the ceiling at fourteen. Yeah, I mean we're

1841
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 1: we're Oh I am. I am just guzzling to kool

1842
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 1: aid on this team. Yeah. So on the pod Squad

1843
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 1: last week, Maddie had me and Eric wood on. We

1844
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:46,960
Speaker 1: were talking about the schedule and Eric decides to set

1845
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 1: up an impromptu wager dinner. Is the wager okay? And

1846
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 1: he said, you have to pick the number of wins

1847
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 1: for the Bills and whoever's closest wins. So we let

1848
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 1: Maddie go first, Ladies first, and she picks thirteen. So

1849
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 1: then Eric goes next and he picks twelve. So what

1850
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,639
Speaker 1: am I left with fourteen? Well, I'm not picking eleven.

1851
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: I'm not picking eleven. I think they can win more

1852
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 1: than eleven. So I'm stuck with fourteen. So I'm right

1853
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 1: there with everybody else at fourteen picking third. Well, yeah,

1854
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: it's your point, that's true. You should have all written

1855
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 1: it down. Well, the rule was you couldn't pick with

1856
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: somebody else picked, I know, but should you should have

1857
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:35,639
Speaker 1: written it down? Yeah? Revealed? I don't know if that Yeah,

1858
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 1: because you know both the big reveal. What would you

1859
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:41,560
Speaker 1: have picked thirteen? I probably would have picked thirteen or

1860
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 1: twelve somewhere in there. I think twelve or thirteen is

1861
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:46,720
Speaker 1: a little more realistic, because you know there's gonna be

1862
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:50,719
Speaker 1: a clunker somewhere along the way. There's gonna be a clunker.

1863
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 1: They just don't have it that day. Maybe two guys

1864
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:55,759
Speaker 1: go down with injury that are critical to the success

1865
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 1: of your team in that game, and they don't come back.

1866
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:01,360
Speaker 1: You can't go in. You can't think like that. How

1867
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 1: do you think, Steve, how do you have to think

1868
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 1: they can beat Houston in on a clunker day? Well, right,

1869
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 1: but what if the clunker is, you know, against Indie,

1870
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:16,560
Speaker 1: then it's a loss. Throws a clunk? They could, but

1871
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: you know that every team has has a week where

1872
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 1: they just don't play their best or they stink it up.

1873
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, in a seventeen game scheduled, that's even being equal.

1874
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 1: The Bills did not hang a stinker out there. Last year.

1875
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 1: The Tennessee game was Tennessee game that was not all

1876
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 1: things equal. The game was rescheduled, rescheduled again, canceled, rescheduled

1877
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: on a two Tennessee play and Tennessee got reprieved off

1878
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: death row. They were they were public enemy number one.

1879
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 1: Can we tell this as a bonu contention for Stevie?

1880
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 1: They were public enemy number one, And all those guys

1881
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: were sitting there in their own little houses, and they

1882
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 1: could all they could hear on social media. They were

1883
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 1: playing because that they were the worst thing about the

1884
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: end of everybody. It was their fault. We're all gonna suffer,

1885
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:07,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna lose our season because the Tennessee Titans are

1886
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of filthy animals and they can't wash their hands. Yeah,

1887
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:14,559
Speaker 1: that's what the thing was. They were getting crushed. They

1888
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 1: were cited for not properly. So then that all comes from.

1889
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:21,560
Speaker 1: I said, all, all right, we got we got it

1890
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:23,839
Speaker 1: under control. Now you guys, you know what all is forgiven?

1891
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 1: Just go play And they're like, sweet, didn't practice or

1892
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 1: just unbelievable. I've played in games like that. It's an

1893
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: unbelievable experience. You just go out and play free and easy.

1894
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:36,719
Speaker 1: They they played their best game of the season against

1895
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: the Bills on a Tuesday night when they got delivered

1896
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 1: off death row. The Bills, on the other hand, didn't

1897
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 1: even know who they were gonna play, got rescheduled, didn't

1898
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 1: got canceled, got rescheduled with a different team, and then

1899
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 1: that team got pushed back to the same week it

1900
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: was supposed to. Then they're gonna play on a Tuesday. Oh,

1901
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 1: by the way, show up and do it. And by

1902
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:01,680
Speaker 1: the way, you're gonna play against a leper colony. By

1903
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:07,760
Speaker 1: the way, good luck not catching leprosy. So they got

1904
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 1: in there with those two matt mindsets. On the road,

1905
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:16,519
Speaker 1: the crowds you know they had crowd Tennessee did Yeah,

1906
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 1: you're not gonna win that game, and you're gonna look

1907
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:21,479
Speaker 1: bad doing it. And I would say the Jets was

1908
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 1: the other game where their offense underachieved the first Jets

1909
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 1: game or the second Jets game they won by eighteen. Well,

1910
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't an eighteen nothing. I wasn't a shutout, right,

1911
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 1: what was that eighteen? Ten eleven? What was the final

1912
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 1: score in that game? Did they score late? It's all

1913
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 1: I want to know. They didn't score much. I know that,

1914
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 1: all right, hold on, it's just gonna take me. It

1915
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:47,800
Speaker 1: wasn't a shutout though. The Bill's schedule listening now now

1916
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 1: my computers being don't you love these things? Yeah? I

1917
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 1: thought it was eighteen. It wasn't ten. Yeah, I want

1918
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 1: to say it was like a one score game, but

1919
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong. Come on, well, I'm waiting on it.

1920
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 1: But let's see who his computer is faster, because they

1921
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 1: know mine isn't win anyway. But they won that game

1922
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 1: by you know, it was a little dicey for a

1923
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 1: little bit, and it was the Jets. It was the

1924
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: second Jets game, and it was what week of the

1925
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 1: season was, Do you remember I want to say it

1926
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 1: was like week somewhere like nine, right, it was, No,

1927
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 1: that was a Seahawks game week nine. It was week seven.

1928
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 1: They won eighteen ten ten, All right, yeah, it was right.

1929
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 1: So they won by they won by eight points. It

1930
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:39,519
Speaker 1: was a little dicey. I wouldn't call it a clunker,

1931
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 1: but it was a little dice It should have had

1932
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 1: no touchdown. Twenty six field goals should have been twenty

1933
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 1: four ten because they should have had two extra field

1934
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 1: goals they didn't get. So anyway, they crushed that team

1935
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: and that was a clunker, but they beat that team.

1936
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 1: And at this schedule, you know a lot of these

1937
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:57,679
Speaker 1: teams aren't going to be good enough to beat the Bills,

1938
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: unless unless the Bills throw a klunk are out there.

1939
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, in a seventeen game regular season, it's

1940
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:05,800
Speaker 1: even more likely that you're just not gonna have your best.

1941
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 1: I get a day and if it's against the right opponent,

1942
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 1: but a drop a game that you're probably looking at

1943
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 1: the schedule on the surface, you shouldn't have point taking.

1944
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,919
Speaker 1: Let me just now my counterpoint is this, Sean McDermott

1945
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:19,560
Speaker 1: has notoriously gotten the most out of this roster. I

1946
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:22,600
Speaker 1: would agree they win more games because of a superlative

1947
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:24,760
Speaker 1: performance than they lose it because of a of a

1948
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:26,760
Speaker 1: bad perform. I would agree with that. And I would

1949
01:50:26,760 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 1: also agree with your premise that they're gonna not play

1950
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:31,599
Speaker 1: their best and still win some games. Right, I would

1951
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,040
Speaker 1: agree with that as well, which is why I'm up

1952
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: there around twelve thirteen games. Yeah, that's why. I mean,

1953
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 1: we're still only talking. I'm getting on you for underselling

1954
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:43,720
Speaker 1: a team. He's still only talking for losses. Game, for

1955
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 1: God's sake, in a seventeen you throw out, here's the

1956
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,559
Speaker 1: thing you throw out, all right, the Tampa Bay game, Okay,

1957
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:53,639
Speaker 1: they're the world champions. All we lose. The Chiefs game, Okay,

1958
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 1: they're the Chiefs. And in fact, let me just say this,

1959
01:50:56,360 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 1: and I'll say this under my breath, I kind of

1960
01:50:58,200 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: hope we lose to him in the regular season because

1961
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:01,960
Speaker 1: if we get him in the because then they'll be

1962
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 1: completely complacent when we play him in the playoffs. Again.

1963
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:07,479
Speaker 1: Said that, So you got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and

1964
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs, and then say what New England

1965
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 1: catches lightning a bottle? They beat us? Wants that we

1966
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 1: split with New England like we have over the decades. Okay,

1967
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:22,400
Speaker 1: there's three. You go down there. You think Washington with

1968
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 1: Fitz is gonna beat this team the Texans Tennessee. I

1969
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:29,240
Speaker 1: think the Bills go down there with a chip on

1970
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:31,599
Speaker 1: their should and I'm saying, I'll make this break this down.

1971
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 1: The New Orleans Saints game on Thanksgiving Night. Yeah, Sean

1972
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 1: McDermott remembers the New Orleans Saints coming in here in

1973
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:43,679
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and embarrassing him and his coaching state something

1974
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,080
Speaker 1: like that in front of the home crowd here. You

1975
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 1: don't think he wants to hang by a fifty burger

1976
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 1: on those jokers on Thanksgiving Night. I think the Bills

1977
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 1: are gonna show up in bulldoze that team because He's

1978
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 1: gonna get that film out and say, guys, this is

1979
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 1: where it was, like, look at these guys over here,

1980
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,760
Speaker 1: what they were celebrating against US three years ago. You

1981
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:07,519
Speaker 1: remember this, guys? Remember this Tremaine, Josh, what about you, Dion?

1982
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 1: You remember these guys May seventeen, No, eighteen, twenty eighteen

1983
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:14,599
Speaker 1: was I think it was? I think it was seventeen.

1984
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:17,880
Speaker 1: It was that big three game losing streak they had

1985
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:19,519
Speaker 1: that three game losing streak in the middle of the

1986
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:21,919
Speaker 1: season there where they were just getting run over on defense.

1987
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 1: They were all right. Week ten, twenty seventeen killed him there.

1988
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 1: Those guys are gonna be remember this guy. Look at

1989
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 1: this guys. The coaching staff alone will have a huge

1990
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 1: chip on Georgie Hoy or Micah Hyde. Remember those games.

1991
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:39,600
Speaker 1: They'll be talking it up too. I'm telling you was

1992
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:45,240
Speaker 1: was Tradavious on that team. Yes, he was a rookie member.

1993
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 1: Players have long memories. I give you an example. So

1994
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:52,759
Speaker 1: four year old break so former friend of the teammate

1995
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 1: of mine was on the Super Bowl teams and stuff

1996
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:59,960
Speaker 1: went to another team at no he was playing for

1997
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 1: the Bills. And during our time and Jim throws an

1998
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 1: interception and one of the and our offensive line we

1999
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, they start to pursue the guy and stuff,

2000
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 1: and one of our offense linean gets peeled back on

2001
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:14,000
Speaker 1: and gets lit up by a dB. You know, decleted,

2002
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 1: you've seen it, the peel backblock. Now they're illegal lit

2003
01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 1: him up, big offensive tackle boom laid out by this

2004
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 1: little dB. And the little dB was like hooting and

2005
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 1: hollering and and high five and like you know, like that. Okay,

2006
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's the best idea. My

2007
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:39,120
Speaker 1: boy knew like it was burned in his subsequently playing

2008
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:42,600
Speaker 1: B comes, he goes to another team, and he's on

2009
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 1: this other team and this is and this is the

2010
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: season happens. It goes on another season happens. Two years later,

2011
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:53,560
Speaker 1: he's on the other team, playing this other team, and

2012
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 1: that dB was on a different team. He got him.

2013
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,760
Speaker 1: He remembered it and lit him up and stood over

2014
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 1: him and said, I've been waiting too, and got it

2015
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:07,840
Speaker 1: two years. It took me to get you, and I

2016
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:14,519
Speaker 1: got you. Players remember that stuff? Yeah? Wait, they were

2017
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: both on different teams. Waited two years and went back

2018
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:20,640
Speaker 1: and got the guy and it lit him up on

2019
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:22,760
Speaker 1: a on a player or whatever screen passed or what

2020
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:24,679
Speaker 1: have you. And I've been lad him up and ended

2021
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 1: up on you know, on top of him. I've been

2022
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 1: waiting two years. Huh. And if you're the dB, you

2023
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:34,240
Speaker 1: gotta think, Okay, you got me, as you're good on you.

2024
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Two year? Two years and

2025
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:41,360
Speaker 1: two different teams. Players are gonna remember that that That

2026
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen game was ugly. It may be the

2027
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 1: other three games in a row that were not pretty. Yeah,

2028
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:49,080
Speaker 1: but I'll bet that that was Yeah, and that stretch

2029
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 1: was probably think about it, that was probably the low

2030
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 1: watermark of the McDermott era and he and that was

2031
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 1: his playoff year. So they lost to the Jets thirty

2032
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 1: four twenty one in Week nine, got run on in

2033
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:04,000
Speaker 1: that game. Then the Saints came in and rolled it up,

2034
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 1: and then you had the Nathan Peterman game at the Chargers, right,

2035
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 1: five interceptions, right, that was that was that. That was

2036
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:15,640
Speaker 1: the dark times of that first year. But they think

2037
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:18,200
Speaker 1: how they rallied around that and got into the playoffs

2038
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 1: at the end and had that moment where that well,

2039
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,520
Speaker 1: they came back and won the game at Arrowhead against

2040
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 1: the Chiefs the next week with the tradeous White interception

2041
01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:27,080
Speaker 1: late in the game to kind of preserve the sixteen

2042
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:32,840
Speaker 1: ten victory. Yeah, it was big, gigantic. That was absolutely gigantic. Yeah.

2043
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:35,640
Speaker 1: So that's I'm telling you some of these games that

2044
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 1: you start to get, particularly a team like Buffalo who

2045
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,040
Speaker 1: now has Sean McDermott and some stability in the building,

2046
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 1: they're going to be able to draw on past experiences

2047
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 1: as a group to say, you know, what remember that,

2048
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:49,800
Speaker 1: let's get like the Tennessee game. This year, I think

2049
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 1: it's going to have a markedly different feel to it

2050
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:53,960
Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills than it did a year ago

2051
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:57,080
Speaker 1: in that pandemic because of all that stuff I just

2052
01:55:57,160 --> 01:56:01,160
Speaker 1: said about, you know, them being reprieved off off death

2053
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:04,040
Speaker 1: Row and the Bills happen to go in and play him. Yeah,

2054
01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be a very different game

2055
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 1: this year. The Saints ran for two hundred and ninety

2056
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:12,640
Speaker 1: eight yards forty eight carries. Your marriage just got off.

2057
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:16,440
Speaker 1: Camara had twelve carries for one hundred and sixty yards

2058
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:20,280
Speaker 1: and a touchdown. Mark Ingram had twenty one carries for

2059
01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:24,320
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty one yards and three touchdowns. And uh,

2060
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 1: here's an interesting note. Trey Edmonds, the oldest Edmund's brother,

2061
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:33,000
Speaker 1: nine carries forty eight yards in a touchdown in that game.

2062
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:39,760
Speaker 1: He came out a year before Tremaine and Terrell or Terrell. So, yeah,

2063
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:41,760
Speaker 1: breeze through for one hundred and eighty four yards in

2064
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:44,680
Speaker 1: the game because they ran for two. It was a

2065
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 1: it was a it was a cloudy, rainy day. It

2066
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 1: wasn't very great day, but yeah, that was an ugly game.

2067
01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:53,200
Speaker 1: And I think that games like that carry weight down,

2068
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 1: down down the line. So I think there's a couple

2069
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 1: of these games that were Buffalo is gonna I think,

2070
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:01,160
Speaker 1: and particularly Show mc derman, the coaching staff are gonna

2071
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 1: be highly motivated. I think you get that boost as well.

2072
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:08,200
Speaker 1: We're talking about, you know, the Bills winning fourteen twelve, thirteen,

2073
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:11,920
Speaker 1: fifteen games, and they're gonna throw a stinker out there.

2074
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be some games where they rise

2075
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:17,240
Speaker 1: up and they and they step on somebody's neck literally.

2076
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think there's gonna be a

2077
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 1: couple of games like that, a couple of woodshed games,

2078
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 1: a couple of woodshed games, and I'm gonna be here

2079
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 1: for it. God, we have been dragged to the woodshed

2080
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:31,800
Speaker 1: before here in this town. I'm I'm ready. There's plenty

2081
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:34,560
Speaker 1: of payback on. I'm ready to be the guy whooping

2082
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 1: the belt off right's getting you behind right here for that?

2083
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:45,560
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, all right, we're gonna take a break here.

2084
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:47,960
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll finish up the comments on

2085
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:50,360
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet, maybe a little time for some NFL

2086
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 1: true falls. Next here on one Bills Live, we'll see

2087
01:57:53,080 --> 01:58:06,800
Speaker 1: you in a second. Welcome back. One more check of

2088
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:09,880
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet here. As we were asking you, how

2089
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:13,240
Speaker 1: much stock do you put in the odds makers favoring

2090
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:17,240
Speaker 1: the Bills in fifteen of their seventeen regular season games,

2091
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 1: Rusty says, after all those years of hard preak, I'd

2092
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 1: be lying if I said it didn't give me a

2093
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:26,200
Speaker 1: little anxiety. We have high expectations now, not just in

2094
01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:29,680
Speaker 1: the locker room or in Buffalo, but league wide, and

2095
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Speaker 1: I want our team and Josh to rise to them.

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Speaker 1: That said, the bookmakers are good, that's a feather in

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Speaker 1: our cap. Andrew says, as a fan of Buffalo sports,

2098
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 1: I've been conditioned to be nervous of any expectations. I'm

2099
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 1: not sure if that will ever change. Oh, poor Andrew.

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01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:56,880
Speaker 1: He is the Buffalo fans lament personified. There there's a

2101
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 1: lot of scar tissue. Yeah, well see, I mean you

2102
01:58:59,240 --> 01:59:01,880
Speaker 1: don't have to leave. We've all accumulated it. We've been

2103
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:06,360
Speaker 1: there and we've seen wins turn into losses like last year,

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01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:08,280
Speaker 1: even in the thirteen wins season, you got a hail

2105
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:14,000
Speaker 1: Murray as you talk about, you know, a gut punch. Yeah,

2106
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:16,800
Speaker 1: that was a tough one and then the next week,

2107
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:19,680
Speaker 1: somebody else completed another Hail Mary against It didn't go

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01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:22,640
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, the game was over, but they completed

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Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, and then it came down to one

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01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:27,520
Speaker 1: in the first playoff game. And that's looking for your

2111
01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:30,120
Speaker 1: first playoff victory since nineteen ninety five, I gotta know.

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01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 1: And luckily Philip Rivers had to throw. You can only

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01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 1: get it down to like the eight yard line, but

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01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:39,520
Speaker 1: they were The Bills were well too close for anybody's liking. Yeah,

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01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:44,280
Speaker 1: Eli says, I kind of agree, but with caution. I

2116
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:46,760
Speaker 1: think they can do it if they stay completely healthy.

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01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 1: NFL is week to week and anything can happen. Go Bills. Yeah,

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01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 1: I think that's where most people are. Yeah, listen. And

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Speaker 1: then from Brian, he's from our side of it, he goes.

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01:59:57,360 --> 01:59:59,840
Speaker 1: He says, on a game by game basis, I think

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02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,400
Speaker 1: it's fair. Being a favorite doesn't mean you'll win, just

2122
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:06,440
Speaker 1: like being a dog doesn't mean you lose. That's why

2123
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:09,080
Speaker 1: you play the game. I expect we win twelve to

2124
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:11,280
Speaker 1: fifteen games this season. Way way to go out on

2125
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:15,840
Speaker 1: a limb bran nice range. There's eight and seventeen we're

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02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 1: gonna win. Yeah, Yeah, I get it. And that's where

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm putting a twelve to fourteen fifteen. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna fifteen wins that is. I don't care if they

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Speaker 1: play seventeen games. Fifteen wins is a big number, and

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02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:32,920
Speaker 1: that's a lot of uncertainty week to week. Like like

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02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:35,320
Speaker 1: last year, they won a couple of game. They won

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02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,760
Speaker 1: a Miami game early on they didn't have Milano or

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02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:43,560
Speaker 1: Edmonds and they won that game. That's a fifteen is

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02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:46,200
Speaker 1: a big number. For that number, I can't get there.

2135
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:48,800
Speaker 1: That is a big number. But we're sitting there, you know, saying,

2136
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:53,400
Speaker 1: you know that is why you you know why this

2137
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:57,240
Speaker 1: is so hard. We all do it. You go to

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02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:01,280
Speaker 1: the schedule and say, okay, here's schedule. Okay, okay, win

2139
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:04,440
Speaker 1: win win win win. You're like, oh, that's that's fifteen

2140
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:10,560
Speaker 1: and two. Uh you get down there so far, it's like, well,

2141
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:14,160
Speaker 1: they gotta lose someplace, Like, Okay, they're gonna they're gonna struggle.

2142
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:16,520
Speaker 1: I gotta struggle with the right. We'll give him the

2143
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:19,520
Speaker 1: Chiefs game. Maybe maybe the Saints can rise up on money.

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02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:21,280
Speaker 1: All right, we'll give him the Thanksgiving Night game the

2145
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:27,520
Speaker 1: other team, right, Okay, what do we got that's fourteen games. Well,

2146
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:31,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna You're gonna particularly enjoy JT's post here he

2147
02:01:31,160 --> 02:01:33,640
Speaker 1: says the Bills can pull off fifteen wins, but I

2148
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 1: think we go fourteen to three and go to the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. This is our year. I'm also making a

2150
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:41,000
Speaker 1: bold prediction. The Bills are still going to be an

2151
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 1: aired out team, but I think Singletary gets his first

2152
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:46,280
Speaker 1: one thousand yard season. Did you see that guy's tree

2153
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:50,560
Speaker 1: trunk biceps? This offseason? Go Bills. We know Singletary has

2154
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:53,480
Speaker 1: been working hard because we had Tyler Dunn on the

2155
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:59,440
Speaker 1: show from Golong tv dot com and uh, he did

2156
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:04,120
Speaker 1: a long expose on Devin Singletary and the work that

2157
02:02:04,160 --> 02:02:06,959
Speaker 1: he's putting in this offseason down in South Florida. Pan,

2158
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:09,760
Speaker 1: look at me, is Jack. When I saw that, I

2159
02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:13,040
Speaker 1: thought it was a photoshop. Nope. That is his upper

2160
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:16,360
Speaker 1: bout for him currently constituted, and for the first time ever,

2161
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:20,080
Speaker 1: he's also working with a running coach, like a guy

2162
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:23,440
Speaker 1: to teach him how to stride and drive off the

2163
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:29,880
Speaker 1: ground planics. Yeah, all those biomechanics of running at optimum efficiency,

2164
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:32,360
Speaker 1: because you know, he was a four to six SIS

2165
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:35,960
Speaker 1: four six six forty guys just naturally. So he can

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02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:38,000
Speaker 1: get it down to the mid four or fives. You know,

2167
02:02:38,240 --> 02:02:41,360
Speaker 1: with a with a running coach, is possible, especially with

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Speaker 1: athletes of this caliber, you might have something you look

2169
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:46,840
Speaker 1: at he's he looks completely different than he looks like

2170
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:50,280
Speaker 1: an Adonis, right right. So, and it's interesting too, this

2171
02:02:50,360 --> 02:02:52,280
Speaker 1: is gonna be his third year, and I've said that

2172
02:02:52,360 --> 02:02:53,840
Speaker 1: we should we should do a show on this or

2173
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:55,880
Speaker 1: segment on one of our shows about these guys coming

2174
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:57,680
Speaker 1: into their third year and some guys in the past

2175
02:02:57,720 --> 02:02:59,800
Speaker 1: who have had a third year that kind of blossomed.

2176
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:02,520
Speaker 1: You know, I went to my first Pro Bowl in

2177
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:07,680
Speaker 1: my third year and Eric Molds Eric Moulds blew up

2178
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:11,560
Speaker 1: in his third year. There are guys who that third

2179
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:16,960
Speaker 1: year it really comes full circle for you and you

2180
02:03:17,160 --> 02:03:18,720
Speaker 1: you become to start to think of yourself as a

2181
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:21,120
Speaker 1: pro athlete. You don't think of yourself as something else,

2182
02:03:21,160 --> 02:03:23,240
Speaker 1: as a guy that's making it trying to stay hang

2183
02:03:23,320 --> 02:03:25,160
Speaker 1: in there. You're trying to all of a sudden because

2184
02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:26,920
Speaker 1: you know what, I need to help out here. I

2185
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:29,600
Speaker 1: need to be I need to do this not just

2186
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:33,600
Speaker 1: for me, but that's my spot on the team. I mean,

2187
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:35,600
Speaker 1: that's that's me. I need to be there. So you

2188
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:41,640
Speaker 1: start applying yourself mentally, and you start planning things out,

2189
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:43,560
Speaker 1: how you're gonna get better, what you're gonna do, where

2190
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:45,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna where you're gonna go, how it's gonna be.

2191
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:49,360
Speaker 1: You start to take you take responsibility for your own play.

2192
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:51,880
Speaker 1: Josh did it at a your early age, and we

2193
02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:56,040
Speaker 1: saw jumps every year. His third his third year was ridiculous.

2194
02:03:56,120 --> 02:04:01,760
Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. Devin Singletary is there. Zach Moss year behind,

2195
02:04:02,760 --> 02:04:06,120
Speaker 1: was first team All Pro after his third year. Dawson

2196
02:04:06,200 --> 02:04:08,720
Speaker 1: Knox coming into his third year, you gotta have and

2197
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:10,280
Speaker 1: he and he did take a little bit of a

2198
02:04:10,280 --> 02:04:12,360
Speaker 1: step forward last year with some with some hiccups because

2199
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 1: he had his calf muscle that got pulled in the asshole,

2200
02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:18,240
Speaker 1: had COVID, so he stroked. But when he was healthy,

2201
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:22,280
Speaker 1: the Bills were using him. There are three catches in

2202
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:25,200
Speaker 1: the Saints game in on Monday Night in New England

2203
02:04:25,240 --> 02:04:29,040
Speaker 1: that were crucial to that game, one of which only

2204
02:04:29,080 --> 02:04:31,160
Speaker 1: because it gave us the greatest meme of all NFL

2205
02:04:31,240 --> 02:04:34,480
Speaker 1: meme of all time, Bill Belichick throwing the phone. Well,

2206
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:36,840
Speaker 1: that may be that that may be the cherry on

2207
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:40,600
Speaker 1: the top of Dawson Knox and tired that is awesome.

2208
02:04:40,720 --> 02:04:43,280
Speaker 1: So all of that stuff. This third year thing is

2209
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Speaker 1: a real thing. And Devin Singletary coming in, I think

2210
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:48,240
Speaker 1: it's it's something worth talking about when you get to

2211
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:53,040
Speaker 1: these players. Cody Ford, um, this will be his third year. Correct, Yep,

2212
02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:56,800
Speaker 1: big year for him, Big year for him. I think

2213
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:59,480
Speaker 1: it's it really is a thing for guys who were

2214
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:02,320
Speaker 1: draft it, got into the league and looked like they're

2215
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:04,960
Speaker 1: gonna put together a little something something. This third year

2216
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:07,480
Speaker 1: is big because of the mindset you carry into the

2217
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:11,160
Speaker 1: offseason and the step you take as a result. And

2218
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:13,200
Speaker 1: let's face we all know, hey, you work hard, things

2219
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:15,160
Speaker 1: are gonna come your way. You're gonna be better. You

2220
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:17,720
Speaker 1: have no idea until you living and experience it and

2221
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:21,320
Speaker 1: decide you have to beat do the work, and then

2222
02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:23,880
Speaker 1: you see the results. Devin Singletary as an example of that.

2223
02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:26,400
Speaker 1: Obviously this offseason Josh has been an example of that.

2224
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:30,480
Speaker 1: We'll see others, but there's been guys in the past

2225
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:34,000
Speaker 1: that have. Eric Moulds is one of those guys. I remember.

2226
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:37,520
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. There's a second training camp I

2227
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:48,200
Speaker 1: covered and Molds is killing people like every day in camp,

2228
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:53,840
Speaker 1: like blowing DB's doors off out, muscling people on jump balls.

2229
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:56,320
Speaker 1: It was like a man amongst boys. I don't know

2230
02:05:56,360 --> 02:05:59,320
Speaker 1: what the hell happened, but whatever switch got flipped, it

2231
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:02,120
Speaker 1: got flipped. And I still remember going on the radio saying,

2232
02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:04,280
Speaker 1: Eric Molds is going to have a gigantic year. He

2233
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:09,160
Speaker 1: is dominating every day of practice in the team segments, dominating.

2234
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:11,360
Speaker 1: Nobody can stop. He was a good He was a

2235
02:06:11,400 --> 02:06:14,640
Speaker 1: good player's rookie season and a really good player of

2236
02:06:14,680 --> 02:06:17,880
Speaker 1: mine last year. I think ninety eight was his third year. Yep,

2237
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, they yeah, you could see it coming. And

2238
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:25,240
Speaker 1: and he's still to this day credits Thurman forgetting in

2239
02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:28,880
Speaker 1: his ear and basically saying, dude, we need more from you,

2240
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:32,880
Speaker 1: Like you're not doing enough. So when you come back

2241
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:35,200
Speaker 1: in ninety eight, you better be ready because we're not

2242
02:06:35,240 --> 02:06:38,320
Speaker 1: getting enough out of you your first round pick. Let's go. Yeah,

2243
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:42,760
Speaker 1: and we saw it happened after that, and he went

2244
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:44,200
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl that year. You want to talk

2245
02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:47,960
Speaker 1: about a guy who whose team let him down and

2246
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:50,560
Speaker 1: the era that he played in was bad timing for

2247
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:52,840
Speaker 1: being recognized for how good he was Eric Molds is

2248
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:56,520
Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, he enjoyed the end of an era

2249
02:06:58,080 --> 02:07:00,520
Speaker 1: and was part of that. You know, going the playoffs

2250
02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:02,840
Speaker 1: ninety eight, they got a little victimized. In ninety nine.

2251
02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:07,520
Speaker 1: They were navigating the quarterback mess between Flute and John Say.

2252
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:11,240
Speaker 1: Who who's a victim of a quarterback mess more than

2253
02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:17,320
Speaker 1: the wide receiver, right, And unfortunately for him, when Flute played,

2254
02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:21,920
Speaker 1: Flute really wasn't looking at anybody else. It was going

2255
02:07:21,960 --> 02:07:25,960
Speaker 1: to Malt every single time, and it'd be hard to argue. Yeah,

2256
02:07:26,040 --> 02:07:27,840
Speaker 1: he was the Steph Diggs of the Bills back there.

2257
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm telling you right now, if he

2258
02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:34,960
Speaker 1: doesn't fumble that catch early in the playoff game, the

2259
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:37,680
Speaker 1: wild card playoff game down in Miami in the ninety

2260
02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:41,160
Speaker 1: eight season, he catches a ball on a deep post

2261
02:07:41,480 --> 02:07:44,960
Speaker 1: from Flutie, and if he holds onto the ball, it's

2262
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:48,440
Speaker 1: either a long eighty yard play or it's a touchdown. Right,

2263
02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:52,400
Speaker 1: And I can't remember the circumstances, but somehow he mishandled

2264
02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:54,120
Speaker 1: the ball. I can't remember if he was switching it

2265
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:56,360
Speaker 1: to his outside hand or whatever. He fumbles the ball

2266
02:07:57,040 --> 02:08:01,200
Speaker 1: like thirty yards into the reception, and I'm thinking to myself.

2267
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:04,160
Speaker 1: If he doesn't fumble that ball, he has three hundred

2268
02:08:04,240 --> 02:08:06,800
Speaker 1: yards receiving in that game. Instead, he ends up with

2269
02:08:06,840 --> 02:08:11,680
Speaker 1: two forty in a loss. Yeah, and it's forgotten because

2270
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:14,280
Speaker 1: of that, and it's still the team record for most

2271
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:17,040
Speaker 1: receiving yards in a play. I was an absolute monster

2272
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:20,160
Speaker 1: playing wide receiver. He was and from the word from

2273
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:24,760
Speaker 1: this rookie season, he was confident and could get it done.

2274
02:08:24,800 --> 02:08:28,560
Speaker 1: I was always from day one. I was impressed with him,

2275
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:32,000
Speaker 1: even as an old grizzled veteran, like I was seeing

2276
02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:33,320
Speaker 1: him come in as a first round I was like

2277
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:37,320
Speaker 1: that guy. And that was the big ninety six receiver class.

2278
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:40,120
Speaker 1: Let's not forget about that. I mean you're talking Marvin Harrison,

2279
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:47,600
Speaker 1: Eddie Kennison, Terry Glenn, Molds, Terall Owens was taken in

2280
02:08:47,680 --> 02:08:50,040
Speaker 1: the third round that year. I mean that was a

2281
02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean we talked about the receiver classes now and

2282
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:56,400
Speaker 1: they're deep, like maybe we've never seen before in ninety six.

2283
02:08:57,240 --> 02:09:00,680
Speaker 1: That was like, whoa, this is a group. Yeah, so

2284
02:09:01,800 --> 02:09:04,600
Speaker 1: really cool. All Right, we'll take a break here, Steve

2285
02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:07,360
Speaker 1: and I gonna close things up with what we have

2286
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:10,320
Speaker 1: learned from today's show, and we will bring that to

2287
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Speaker 1: when we return. Here on one Bill's Live, presented by

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2291
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Speaker 1: just learned this. I didn't know when it happened, but

2292
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:42,760
Speaker 1: actor Charles Groden passed away at age eighty six. Now

2293
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend Steve to know the full

2294
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:50,160
Speaker 1: breath of his acting credits. I didn't see all the movies,

2295
02:09:51,120 --> 02:09:55,120
Speaker 1: but Midnight Run is hard to beat the movie he

2296
02:09:55,200 --> 02:09:59,120
Speaker 1: did with Robert de Niro, where he is a white

2297
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Speaker 1: collar criminal money launderer, and basically de Niro is a

2298
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Speaker 1: bail bonds. He's a bounty hunter and he's trying to

2299
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Speaker 1: turn him in, and he's got to get him across

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02:10:08,760 --> 02:10:10,880
Speaker 1: the country in two days or whatever to collect a

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Speaker 1: half a million dollars bounty to safely deliver him back.

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Speaker 1: He's got the FBI on his tail, he's got other

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Speaker 1: bounty hunters trying to steal the guy away from him,

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Speaker 1: and Groden is absolutely dead pan hilarious in this movie.

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Speaker 1: If you have never seen Midnight Run, and I will say,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of swearing, so make sure you know

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Speaker 1: you're not having your kids watching the kids. But my gosh,

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Speaker 1: de Niro and Groden are fantastic in this movie. Fantastic.

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Speaker 1: He came out in nineteen eighty eight. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a really underrated film. And Groden is just he's outstanding. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just pushing de Niro's buttons the whole. It's sad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sad to see it. I'm sad to hear about it.

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Speaker 1: He had a fantastic career he had and if you

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Speaker 1: dozens upon dozens of films he was in, and sorry

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Speaker 1: to him go, but yeah, I enjoyed his work. It

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Speaker 1: was and you're right, Midnight Run is pretty much who

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02:11:05,240 --> 02:11:08,000
Speaker 1: said it's a it's a bross kind of movie. Ye see.

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Speaker 1: With your boys and me and my high school buddies,

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you. We must have watched that thing

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Speaker 1: about twelve times backwards and four. I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: just there's so many good scenes in there. Um eighty

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Speaker 1: six years old, though, that's a good run. Apparently, bone

2323
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Speaker 1: marrow cancer was what he was dealing with, so tough

2324
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Speaker 1: way to go. But I'm telling you right now, if

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Speaker 1: I get to eighty six. I'll be pretty happy with that.

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Speaker 1: That's a good run. I think I'm gonna go one

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty six. I'm wow. I'm pretty sure I'm

2328
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Speaker 1: on that. I'm on track for that. Man, I won't

2329
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Speaker 1: even be around for all of that. If I can

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Speaker 1: get past, if I can get past the first one fifty,

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Speaker 1: I'm gold Wow. But no, that's Steve. Yeah, do you

2332
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Speaker 1: cut well? Both of your parents are what into their

2333
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Speaker 1: ninth decade of life. My mom turns ninety one in

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Speaker 1: a week, so my dad. My dad turns ninety one

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Speaker 1: July tenth. You're golden man. You're at the deep end

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Speaker 1: of the genre, talking about headed to headed to Alaska

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Speaker 1: for the my for their granddaughter's wedding, My my daughter's wedding.

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Speaker 1: So they're God bless him. You're at the deep end

2339
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:16,880
Speaker 1: of the gene pool for ages. M we're aging, I

2340
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:20,240
Speaker 1: should say not ages. I don't know. I got a

2341
02:12:20,240 --> 02:12:22,080
Speaker 1: little miles on my chest, a little more than my

2342
02:12:22,160 --> 02:12:26,400
Speaker 1: mom and dad, well more cars than they have. My

2343
02:12:26,640 --> 02:12:32,080
Speaker 1: orthopedic issues are our legion. Sure, so they completely around him, right,

2344
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Speaker 1: But that's what they say. They say it's eighty percent

2345
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:40,400
Speaker 1: jeans like you can eat all the right things and

2346
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:43,320
Speaker 1: you can exercise, and you know, so what do you

2347
02:12:43,400 --> 02:12:44,760
Speaker 1: do if you eat all the right things and do

2348
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Speaker 1: all that, is it like a persun help, like a

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Speaker 1: increase or something? From what I understand and what I've

2350
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Speaker 1: been told by professionals as close out the show with

2351
02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:57,440
Speaker 1: your health tips, yeah, I mean even how Luther, one

2352
02:12:57,480 --> 02:12:59,400
Speaker 1: of the strength and conditioning coaches, told me this one

2353
02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:02,040
Speaker 1: time because my cholesterol was getting up a little bit

2354
02:13:02,120 --> 02:13:03,840
Speaker 1: and I was getting concerned about it, and we just

2355
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:06,360
Speaker 1: happened to cross pass in the cafeteria and he's just like,

2356
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:09,560
Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do about your cholesterol.

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Speaker 1: He goes, that's eighty percent, Jeans. Yeah, he goes, you

2358
02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:15,000
Speaker 1: can eat all the right stuff. He goes, my cholesterol

2359
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Speaker 1: has been two forty for the last fifteen years. And

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Speaker 1: I mean that guy's yeah, I mean no, there aren't

2361
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:23,840
Speaker 1: too many people take better care of themselves than he

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Speaker 1: does in the building. And he's just like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: eighty percent, Jeans. It's what you're handed at birth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to a great degree. Random accidental well, yeah, stepping off

2365
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:38,640
Speaker 1: the curb and getting hit by a bus that doesn't

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Speaker 1: help either, And that happens too. We are we gonna

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Speaker 1: have a show tomorrow too. We are gonna have a

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Speaker 1: show to who's on it. We're gonna have Kevin Clark

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Speaker 1: from The Ringer joining us NFL columnist for The Ringer,

2370
02:13:49,720 --> 02:13:51,920
Speaker 1: so he'll have some interesting stuff for us to chew

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Speaker 1: on with him tomorrow. So we will see you on

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday edition if one bills live at that time,

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Speaker 1: we'll see it. Now we be