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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. Ill that for me, I'm

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: for day Edith State? Is that?

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Speaker 2: Whoa?

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Speaker 1: Whoa? And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal Boys and girls. My

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Speaker 2: name is Ty Hilton Brandt. I am joined by my

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Speaker 2: co host and colleague and friend of many years, Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: seated to my left, seated across the table. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: have a special guest now. He was with us last summer.

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Speaker 2: It was the breakout podcast sensation of the summer, at

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Speaker 2: least as it relates to our show or the summer

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Speaker 2: emo and pop punk show Bill Barwell from ESPN.

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Speaker 3: I hope you guys are ready for a sophomore slump,

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Speaker 3: because I don't know what the magic that happened last year.

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Speaker 3: I'm afraid unfortunately one time that was one of the

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Speaker 3: most downloaded shows we've done in like ten years. Not

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Speaker 3: not even not messing here, since you guys consider pivoting

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Speaker 3: to strictly an emo pop punk format. No, because one

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Speaker 3: show is all I had in the CT's Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: was everything I had.

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Speaker 2: I was doing my best to keep up so.

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Speaker 1: Here's the good news is if a show last summer

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Speaker 1: based around being young, sad and lonely, really I like

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Speaker 1: something that people identified with have. We got good news

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Speaker 1: for you because this year's deep dive topic is sports

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Speaker 1: video games from the nineteen nights from.

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Speaker 2: The nineteen nineties. And I should add we will be

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Speaker 2: joined in like I don't know cosmic MERV Griffin's set

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Speaker 2: ish style by Ryan Nanny here what yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did not write that into Bill's contract. Okay, fine, fine, fine.

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Speaker 2: So we came up with this idea. I was elated

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Speaker 2: And I think this was might have been Bill's suggestion,

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Speaker 2: might have been Bill's suggestions. I don't think so, but

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Speaker 2: I'm perfectly happy to take credit for you. The topic

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Speaker 2: of ninety sports video games. You need to go around

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Speaker 2: these games had on our life. Absolutely, if we're gonna,

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Speaker 2: if we're gonna do a full deep show dan video games,

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Speaker 2: what influence did these nineties sports games have on on

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Speaker 1: So enormous influenced two younger brothers, a bunch of friends

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Speaker 1: But I went to a lot of malls and played

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Speaker 1: I think my home arcade was called the Golden Nugget

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Speaker 1: You played NBA Jam, you played NBA Live, you played

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Speaker 3: of football video games, one of which was Super Techmobile,

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Speaker 1: To clarify, Sorry, super Tech Mobile or Techmo super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: So here's my related question. Dan has two younger brothers.

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Speaker 2: how many games you were allowed to get? Because I

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Speaker 1: I know your type. I had a bunch of only

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Speaker 3: But I feel like a lot of the games that

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Speaker 1: And I was a kid, see I was. I was

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Speaker 1: like so Techmo super Bowl. Anybody that's listening to this

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Speaker 1: I'd play out whole seasons. I would sim seasons and

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Speaker 2: And then did you do you have the wherewithal to

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Speaker 3: But the one thing he couldn't find, yes, love friends.

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Speaker 1: To Men, Boys to Men, whatever it is that we

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Speaker 2: I mentioned Mario Kart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, are you Mario or Mario?

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Speaker 1: I really hope when Ryan arrives he says Mario, not Marrio.

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Speaker 2: This is what are your guardrails for? What constitutes a

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Speaker 1: Okay boy?

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Speaker 2: And what doesn't Bill? You mentioned road Rash?

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Speaker 2: Broad Rash was like Excite Bike, right.

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Speaker 3: Road Rash was like a pepped up version of there's

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Speaker 1: Actually, see, I would say what constitutes a sport game

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Speaker 2: What else are people road rashing for? If not?

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Speaker 1: That's true? Touche, I say, not a sports game.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't want to pull rank.

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Speaker 1: Okay, no, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Well here, No we're not though, because once upon editing power.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Well he has that, but once upon a time I

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Speaker 2: I'm more of a purist like RC PROM that might

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Speaker 2: Are we talking about the same RC pro Am Because I'm.

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Speaker 3: This is this is in contrast to the oil slicks

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Speaker 2: The combination of those two factors always gave me enough

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Speaker 2: I am I will go for the shortcuts in Mario Kart,

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Speaker 2: back and play, well did you cut?

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Speaker 3: I did not cut, But I have a question I

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Speaker 3: Ty did you own a game, Genie?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I did not own a game. No.

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Speaker 2: I find that hard to believe. I did not own

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Speaker 2: a game. Gene may have had a game. I owned

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Speaker 1: Can we review your accessory list?

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Speaker 2: By the way, I had the power glove, which didn't work.

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Speaker 2: those like joypads. Yeah, you could have, but I didn't

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Speaker 2: Series Baseball nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 1: I looked it up.

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Speaker 2: They had a bat that you could buy that would

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, mister Macintosh.

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Speaker 2: The problem with the bat, though, was that this was

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Speaker 2: Had a long cord that would inevitably like they had

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so the bat kind of wore out its welcome

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Speaker 1: It was dead.

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Speaker 2: So I had the bat. I'm trying to think what

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Speaker 1: Did you have accessories?

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Speaker 2: Bell not? I don't.

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Speaker 3: I had a Graves game pad.

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Speaker 1: See he goes step mister over here.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's sourcing for the show.

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Speaker 3: He's sourcing parts from factories, Toad.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. The other question that this sort of so the

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the track.

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Speaker 3: Which you would step on with your hands because you would,

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Speaker 1: So I did not cheat, and because I never had

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Speaker 1: the track pad. But my friend Adam Miller, shout out

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Speaker 1: Adam Miller, I believe he's an ophthalmologist in Dallas. Not dead,

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Speaker 1: He had to be banned because he was competitive and

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Speaker 1: I can't believe this.

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Speaker 2: On ANYS did anybody else experiment with a teaspoon.

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Speaker 1: I do not know what that is. A teaspoon.

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Speaker 2: Mister Igen over there look at me like I got

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Speaker 2: two heads.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: You put the NES controller down, you put your index

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Speaker 2: you can over the buttons.

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Speaker 1: Shameful. Look at this.

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Speaker 2: See the thing that was the ultimate undefeated accessory for NES.

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Speaker 2: Back and forth with a tea spoon over the buttons.

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Speaker 2: And I use that to master a game that I

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Speaker 2: love and will always love. Capcom's gold medal challenge for

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Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety two Barcelona Olympics. Ty, this is unstoppable

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I grew up in the mean streets

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Speaker 3: of Queen's right. This is where I'm.

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Speaker 1: Playing is doping. This is Ben Johnson if yeah, there

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Speaker 1: was no testing back and Dan.

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Speaker 3: If I did that, somebody would have punched me in

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Speaker 3: the face while I was working the spoon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was playing against the computer.

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Speaker 1: What neighborhood are we talking about? What side. Yeah, what

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Speaker 1: I was trying to break world records. You couldn't do

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Speaker 1: I'd think to myself, they're taking note of this in Tokyo.

443
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: They're taking note of what's going on with this console.

444
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 1: This is pre Internet, obviously, we're talking ninety three whatever.

445
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 1: And I was like, they know that somebody has just

446
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: figured this game out. So I'm just sending a message

447
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:48,959
Speaker 1: to Tokyo.

448
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 3: I At one point I definitely sent multiple letters to

449
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 3: EA Sports really saying what I think. There's a point

450
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 3: where I send a letter saying, hey, your ratings for

451
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 3: these players in NHLPA ninety or NHL ninety.

452
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Speaker 2: Four off.

453
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Speaker 1: Old Bill Barnwell.

454
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 3: Here are some updated ratings you need to put in

455
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,919
Speaker 3: there if you need credentials. This is my record in

456
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 3: this season. One of the games rially four. It is

457
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 3: one of the games I did have plenty of. They

458
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 3: have not yet answered it, but I do think if

459
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 3: they reissued it ninety four, I feel like that would

460
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 3: at least be sort of.

461
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 2: Accommodated for us.

462
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: Billy Barnwell sign Oh for sure.

463
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Billy, yeah, at least one. Did any of you

464
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 2: guys subscribe to Nintendo Power?

465
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I did not because I never had an

466
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: s NES. I only had the regular NES and we

467
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: were very late adopters. Okay, so and it was only

468
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: really sports games. I was not a subscriber. Yeah yeah,

469
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: but I'm just you know, just do a status check

470
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: here of vines. Not no Nintendo Power. But as soon

471
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: as I got super into and this is not sports

472
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: but like Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, that era, I is

473
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: nutballs for game proka. I would like on the way

474
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: home from school, like other people in the carpool with

475
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: like moms and stuff, like they would ask to stop

476
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: at like taco bell or to get ice cream or

477
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: something like that, when like my mom would like we

478
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: stop at the news stand there's new game Pro and

479
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,959
Speaker 1: Katana is on the front Katana And so that was

480
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: that was where I was socially. But let's I want

481
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: to go back to Nintendo before we move on to

482
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: specific sports games. There are three of us in here.

483
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can come to a consensus. Would

484
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: you clip the cartridge on the console to make it

485
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: work if it wasn't working? Or would you blow on

486
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 1: the on the the the facing side of it. Pure

487
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: blower over here, pure blower tie it's a very weird

488
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: lower clip.

489
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: I went with the blow tactic. If that did not work,

490
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: a swift hit upon the knee of the of the cartridge.

491
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: Sure only child, no respect for property?

492
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: See I would I would push the cartridge in ninety

493
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: six percent of the way and clip down on the

494
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: ledge in that way. That would work.

495
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: No, I went blow tactic and then knee if I

496
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: was very frustrated.

497
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: So you would blow a knee or me for sure? Okay, yeah,

498
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: any other sports games that jump out to you. Was

499
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: there a particular sport that the original Nintendo was particularly

500
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: strong with I believe we've hit. Is there anything else

501
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 1: football wise? Well, tech Techmo, Techmos super Big.

502
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: The big discussion that I see a lot is people

503
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: trying to argue between Techmo Bowl and Techmo super Bowl.

504
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: Techmobil obviously came out first. There were a fewer teams

505
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: who were plays per team. Yeah, Techmo super Bowl for

506
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: me was really that was nineteen U fully licensed. You

507
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: had more teams, you had eight plays instead of just four.

508
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: That to me was like that was the original game

509
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: and really got me hooked hand again.

510
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to the RC pro am reference

511
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: to the lady factor for an eleven year old Dan

512
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: cheerleader would show a pixel of underwear.

513
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, in tech on the halftime show, We're getting real.

514
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, eleven year old Dan is creepy.

515
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: This is a safe space.

516
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: I don't number one know. It's not, is it not?

517
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: It's not as safe as he wants these doors locked.

518
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: This is an eight bit cheerleader. This is not a human.

519
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 2: It was it was mildly arousing at eleven.

520
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: Thank you.

521
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 3: I find this very disconcerting. I'm so glad to any

522
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: games out there out there, in different sports games, I

523
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: would say, I don't know if this would be like

524
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 3: post nineteen ninety certainly close though ice hockey?

525
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, yep, four players per team.

526
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 3: You can pick the quickly, go around the table and

527
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: ask you what was your preferred size combination for ice

528
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 3: hockey place.

529
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: I would usually go one heavy, two medium, and one

530
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: of the one of the stick figures. That's classic, no one,

531
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: No one will argue with you. You know. Now, if

532
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: you try to go to the stick figures for speed

533
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: on the wings, it never would work out.

534
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: Don't you be too physical against Yeah, I don't know that.

535
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: I agree.

536
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: I went to and too. I would avoid the big dudes,

537
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: I go to medium, too skinny. I would go too big,

538
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 1: too skinny. Okay, see the mediums altogether. You know what,

539
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,239
Speaker 1: who needs extremes? Man on the edge. So what I

540
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: like about ice hockey specifically, it's Mario on the Oh

541
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: the lights went out, tye, you can turn them back

542
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: on what I like specifically about ice hockey. I think

543
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: Mario was on the cover or something, but he was

544
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: not a character. It was just skinny, medium, big. What

545
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: I like is I liked picturing that at some point

546
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: some game designer in Tokyo, wherever the game was made,

547
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: was probably laying on the ground at like three in

548
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: the morning, thinking, how are we going to do? Like

549
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: we can't use real day and we can't, how are

550
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: we like, what if we just use like big little

551
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: small like fine, let's just do that. Let's just do that.

552
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: It works so well and it's perfect, It's wonderful.

553
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 3: It's a great player tactic. The other game another game

554
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: that involves multiple countries peeding against one another, Dodgeball.

555
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I never played dog had never.

556
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: Nintendo Dodgeball.

557
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: Wow? What was great about it?

558
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: Just great gameplay, a sport that what like it was

559
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 3: a sport that seemed like forbidden fruit when I was

560
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 3: a child, like playing dodgeball.

561
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: There is international competition. I am seeing a dodgeball like,

562
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is a course, not a course,

563
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: but a field or whatever field of play with the

564
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: taj Mahal in the background. Exactly, the taj Mahal is

565
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: in the background.

566
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: Who knew in India?

567
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And the graphics look pretty identical to the

568
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: volleyball game.

569
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was from It was the Nintendo generic game,

570
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 3: so you know, basically they just this is slightly programmed

571
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 3: a few things and it was it was dodgeball. Uh,

572
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 3: great game, a lot of customisation. The the teams had

573
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: very different qualities, so they were very like different teams

574
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 3: are really good at some things, different peop really good

575
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: other things. So a lot of replay value. Very underrated, Okay,

576
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: and a sport I think, unquestionably a sport.

577
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: Unquestionably a sport. Definitely, definitely. Do you have a non

578
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: traditional sport like in the way that dodgeball is Like?

579
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: Is there a surf game, skating game like skatered Eye

580
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: was great tnc surf company I liked a lot with

581
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: I believed Magilla Gorilla the Surfer. I believe so the

582
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: game that stands out to me is a traditional sports game,

583
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: but it was not probably one of the three most popular.

584
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: So baseball obviously did very, very well for the nes

585
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: you have RBI baseball. They made at least two or

586
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: three of them, made at least three and bases loaded,

587
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: which I thought was trash. I thought it was hot trash.

588
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: I don't like very difficult to pitch in basement, it's

589
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: the pitcher's perspective.

590
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: It was difficult to pitch, difficult to hit. I played

591
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: Little league baseball. Very good game.

592
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: Literally baseball not familiar.

593
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: The teams from Asia were excellent. They're always they still are,

594
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: they still are. I played with the Hawaiian team because

595
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: I felt like you got a little bit of that

596
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: Asian influence.

597
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: You got the few the island you were from, with

598
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: where you and.

599
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: It was another game in which the players were differently

600
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: sized and so like a larger dude was small, was slower,

601
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: but he could bash the hell out of the ball.

602
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: Of course, I love great game.

603
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: I loved little that.

604
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great, great, great game, great mechanic.

605
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if there are any other baseball games.

606
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: So I will wait.

607
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: We discussed one before we started, true Baseball Stars. Okay,

608
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: did you want to play Baseball Stars? Never played I

609
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: ever played RBA Baseball or Baseball Stars. I did read

610
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: a officially authorized book in the RBI Baseball at Universe, okay,

611
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: but I did not actually play it. For me, Baseball

612
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: Stars was the best baseball game of the era.

613
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm looking at pictures of Baseball Stars and the bats

614
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: matched the uniforms.

615
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: It's a purple they had. I want to say they had.

616
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: I want to say they had eight teams. They had

617
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: a Lovely Ladies team. They had an American Dreams team,

618
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: which was like kind of all the Hall of Famers.

619
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: They had the Ghastly Ghouls. They had a bunch of

620
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: weird team names, but you could build your own. Yeah,

621
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: And that to me was the major selling point because

622
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: let me tell you, in nineteen ninety one, when my

623
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: Little League Tigers team went all the way to win

624
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: the Pee Wee Championship, you better damn well believe I

625
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: had our whole lineup in there, and I was bat

626
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: and second in the lineup.

627
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: What I liked about a lot of oh yeah, a

628
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: lot of these games is oh, maybe only RBI Baseball,

629
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: maybe bases loaded actually had the Major League Baseball license,

630
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: That's right. So I loved I would have given anything

631
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: to have been in the room to create these fake

632
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: team names, to create these fake team like player names,

633
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: so you'd have like, oh, the Wisconsin jack Seals, you

634
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: know there would just be like very strange and as

635
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: a result, like you think about it, I was like,

636
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of Japanese dudes programming game thinking like

637
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: what would an American baseball team sound like? Exactly? They

638
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: would do great. I loved it.

639
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find the game. I can't find it

640
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: right now, but I always say game, and I'm sure

641
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: one of the listeners will mention it where they named

642
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: the players in the game after like all these different weird,

643
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: incredibly arbitrary groups of people, Like one team is named

644
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: after jazz musicians. Really, yes, one of them is, you know,

645
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: like movie star.

646
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: I love that.

647
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 3: But like in hindsight, ID and when I played it,

648
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: I had no idea whatsoever estate it was. I can't

649
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: remember what game it was.

650
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: So somebody can chime in on that. But baseball games,

651
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: I think is an interesting point of contention because we're

652
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: going to talk about some of their systems here. But

653
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: I feel like this day and age in the nineties

654
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: now Baseball Stars came out in eighty nine, all right,

655
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: And just to reiterate quickly, Techmo Super Bowl Baseball Stars.

656
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: For me, I played a lot of Capcom's Gold Medal

657
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: Challenge in ninety two. Mike Tyson's Punch Out was eighty seven.

658
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: For me, that was very much a nineties game because

659
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: of when I played it. Sure it didn't come out,

660
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: that was obviously an iconic game. We could spend all

661
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: day talking about the trials and tribulations of King Hippo. Yeah,

662
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: but baseball games I don't necessarily think have ever gotten

663
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: any better than in this era, because no matter how

664
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: realistic they try to make them, they've never once been

665
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: able to figure out how to master the difficulty level. Right, Okay,

666
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: it's either too slow of pitching and you score twenty

667
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: runs an inning, or too fast of pitching where the

668
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: ball is coming your feet. In baseball the ball is

669
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: coming in in a millisecond, or the slider is dropping

670
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: off the table and it's impossible to hit. They've never

671
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: been able to find a happy medium, not then, not now.

672
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: So I just assume play a game like Baseball Stars

673
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: or base Wars where you're shooting with a cyborg at

674
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: an opposing robot, instead of like MLB twenty seventeen.

675
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: So we were talking, Yes, I think that's right. We

676
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: were talking about Baseball Simulator one thousand, Yes, which is

677
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: a game that I believe both hitters and pitchers had superpowers.

678
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: Whether that's all of them, but not all of them.

679
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: Some of them did just and yeah, you could play

680
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: with teams that were totally normal and regular. You can

681
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: play with teams that was like the Mercury Cyclones stuff

682
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: like that. Shout out to Iowa State got cyclones, And

683
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: that was really fun for me. And you would like

684
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: play on a diamond that was floating in space. Yes,

685
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: it was wonderful. I thought it was a great game.

686
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: And there was I got these two games confused before

687
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: we were talking baseball or sorry. Super Baseball twenty twenty right,

688
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: which had robots had women in very revealing clothing. Distressingly

689
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: robots and revealing clothing. I think the robots the water

690
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: is now, Yeah, there is really distressing clothes.

691
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: And they would like they would shoot a baseball out

692
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: of like an arm, a robot arm.

693
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: Right like it would be basically unhittable. Yeah, to hit

694
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: those robots. And the robots, if you didn't maintain them

695
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: with money, they would literally fall apart. And when they

696
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 3: were like running the bases or about to catch a

697
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: fly ball. Early life lesson had was this. This was

698
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: Super Nintendo.

699
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: I think this might have been traditioning to Superintendent correct.

700
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: So for me, I went right from Nintendo to Sega.

701
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: Right, Wow, you made that move.

702
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: I made the move from from Nintendo to Sega and

703
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: then from Sega to PlayStation. I missed the whole Super

704
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: Nintendo thing. That's why I released a lot of the

705
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: same I played a lot of the same games. I

706
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: played Mario Kart on Friends Super Nintendo. But beyond that,

707
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: I didn't really have a whole lot of exposure to

708
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: that universe. But that was kind of like the next generation, right.

709
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: So I think the games that resonated with the most

710
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: number of numbers of people were on both Genesis and SNS.

711
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: So like your NBA Lives, your NBA Jam, your Madden,

712
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: your NHL, I think Ryan Nanny is coming in here

713
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: right now. This is a good transition. Ryan, we're talking

714
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: about Tye went straight from NES to Genesis and sort

715
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: of skipped over the SNS realm. So that really didn't

716
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: hurt him because a lot of the major titles were

717
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: released for both Genesis and sn SBA sports titles. Yeah,

718
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't think there's a big gap

719
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: of games that you missed, So we'll start with that. So, Ryan,

720
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: were you Did you own a Genesis or SNYS?

721
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 4: Have you played sports video games before? I have played

722
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 4: sports video games before. The first console my family ever

723
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 4: owned was an Nintendo sixty four.

724
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: Okay, but you had friends who owned these consoles.

725
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 4: For purposes of this conversation, I definitely had friends, and

726
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 4: they thought I was great.

727
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: They thought he was the coolest kid. So the only

728
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: thing that you missed was that we discovered that Tie,

729
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: as an only child, was basically mister Macintosh and he

730
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: had accessories.

731
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: Wait, he had a million dollars and he kissed an

732
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: adult woman.

733
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, well everybody knows that story about Tie. No, but

734
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: that Tie was like the super What was the the

735
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: Fred Savage movie where he had like the.

736
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: Wizard, the Wizards or Wizard, But Fred Savage was character

737
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: the hook into the movie. He was not the video

738
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 4: game specialist. Right, But and what's your name? From that band?

739
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 4: And from Treue. Beverly Hills is the.

740
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: Female lead in Leon Natash Leon Jenny Lewis. Jenny Lewis, Yes,

741
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: the band again, very cool, very cool.

742
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: No, we established that Ty had accessories and was like

743
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: the cool kid.

744
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 4: I did have a game gear. Does that matter? It

745
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: was which meant that I am Sports Talk Football. We

746
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: spent so much money on batter I was.

747
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: Going to say, you put the Energizer family through college.

748
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: All right, let's start with this. But yeah, we're going

749
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: to portable as well.

750
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: We should. Actually, before we go any further es the

751
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: most important.

752
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: Question, let's catch up.

753
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 3: How how would you say the name of the hero

754
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 3: in the most prominent Nintendo series of camps Plumber.

755
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, mariok I know, I know, I know that

756
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: you want me to say want me.

757
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: To say Mario?

758
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: He admitted to this. He calls Mario's nemesis Warrio and

759
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: not Warrio. Yeah whatever. So okay, So I never owned

760
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: an sn E S though we did rent SNS full

761
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: console from block.

762
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 4: Shure that to every every time we did that, my

763
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: sister wanted one game and one game only paper Boy too.

764
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 4: We wait so much, damn paper Boy to sports.

765
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: I don't if only you guys had someone who was

766
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: qualified to talk abou whether something is sports.

767
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 4: Well, it does have so it does have the portion

768
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: at the end of a level you have to like

769
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 4: go over the skills challenge, right, that's sports everything else

770
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 4: business commerce.

771
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: Commaron Ravel loved that part of the case, making sure

772
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: you don't get eaten by the dog. Ye yeah, yep, okay.

773
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, we did not have an s n E S.

774
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: We rented a lot of fighting games. Actually not not

775
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: as heavy into sports when we would rent a lot

776
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 1: of Killer Instinct, a lot of Street Fighter too.

777
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: A lot of Clay Fighter, a lot.

778
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: Of Clay Fighter absolutely, But I would go to friends

779
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: houses who would have Genesis and s NES, and the

780
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: specialty in the sort of ninety four to ninety seven

781
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: range was one EA Sports games. Of course. So let's

782
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: start with NHL ninety four because that was already brought up.

783
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: Can I can I started here early?

784
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: Please?

785
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 2: Oh? Go with NHLPA ninety three, okay?

786
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: Uh?

787
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: Can I start with my favorite story I covered during

788
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: my time at AGM.

789
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

790
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: I think John Boyce has talked about this in an article.

791
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 3: How old were you working for IGN? By the way,

792
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: I was eight ninety four. I was working in there.

793
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: No, by the way, you did miss him tell a

794
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: story about writing letters to EA Sports complaining about the

795
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: accuracy of the ratings of NHL players.

796
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 3: You've always been this way checks out. It was twenty

797
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: three when I was working at IgA, my first full

798
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 3: time writing job. But I wrote about a guy named

799
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: Sean Chambers who was a defenseman for the TIMEPA Bay Lightning.

800
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 3: So you guys have all played EA Sports radio games,

801
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: you know the rating system it's going to be usually

802
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: about sixty, say to ninety nine. Your starts going ninety nine,

803
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: your scrubs are going to be sixty. For some reason,

804
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 3: it is either I believe it was ANGLP ninety three.

805
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: It could be Angel ninety four, but one of those

806
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: two they did not go.

807
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: From sixty to ninety nine.

808
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 3: And in fact, Sean chambers overall rating was one. Oh no,

809
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: So I thought it'd be a good idea to call

810
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: Sean Chambers and ask him what he thought of being

811
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 3: the worst the worst rated.

812
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: So everybody history.

813
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: There are other guys who were like a seven or

814
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: a ten, but this is like his overall ratings.

815
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: That means to be a one in theory, you have

816
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: to be a one in all of the things.

817
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: Or yeah, zero zero, Yeah.

818
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: Like he's like, I think John actually wrote with this,

819
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 3: like a nineteen in aggression but a zero in fighting.

820
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: So it's like you'll you'll work up the urge to

821
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: fight you, but they don't get his bud.

822
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually that's awful because basically this was EA

823
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: Sports saying we have judged you in all ways in

824
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 4: this in the thing that you do for a job,

825
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 4: and you fail all of them. It's not just saying

826
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 4: you're bad at your job, because we can say you

827
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: can take, you know, insert NFL quarterback here, and you

828
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 4: can say these are the eight things he's bad at.

829
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 4: But we can probably find two things that we're like, yeah,

830
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 4: he's okay at this. This case just bad full failure.

831
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: Ability to skate one, knowledge of how to put on

832
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 4: the hockey uniform?

833
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: What one? So you talked to Sean Chambers, Well, I

834
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: called him on the phone. What did he say?

835
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: He had some excuses, as she might expect you. So

836
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: he accepted that he had a torny cl or something.

837
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: He slept with so many.

838
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: Ada's wife said.

839
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: That's that's probably on the table now that I think

840
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: about it.

841
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: So, yeah, he is the worst rated player in video

842
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: game history. I have a list of my favorite games here.

843
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: Four is number three.

844
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: Okay.

845
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: I just think a phenomenal game, incredible replay value. I loved.

846
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: And this is something that games have not really even

847
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: done to this day at this point, like they would

848
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 3: do the cut ins in between periods to other games

849
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: that were happening.

850
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: Yes, so cool, so cool. I felt like I was

851
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: in that universe.

852
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: They when that game opened up. If you remember, I

853
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: forget the name of the gentleman's name, but it was

854
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: like Ron Barr here for. I may have just seen

855
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: a screen grab and it was just like you not

856
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: only were playing that game, but you were playing it

857
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: on EA Sports TV. Sure like I'm here for and

858
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: that was excellent. I love being in that universe. And

859
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: they also played like a bunch of copyright available songs

860
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: in that game, so like Camptown Races. Yes, So like

861
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: you would like score a goal and they'd come back

862
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: for the face off and it would be like but

863
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm familiar with the.

864
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: Best part of that generation of the NHL games and

865
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: talking in ninety three, ninety four, ninety five, ninety six,

866
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: I think in NHL ninety seven they started getting a

867
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: little bit politically correct with how they fashioned the game.

868
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 2: But you could like kill guys out on the ice

869
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: if they got hit in the head with a puck,

870
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: they would drop in, their head would bleed, or you

871
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 2: could basically run a locomotive right over somebody and they'd

872
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: be like down there on the ice. Swingers whenever Swingers

873
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 2: came out, they made a big deal of making number

874
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: ninety nine's head bleed. That was Wayne Gretzky, and it

875
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: was one of those NHL games where you could do it.

876
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: That to me was always a thrill. Now you could

877
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 2: of course come up with like the old Mighty Ducks

878
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: triple deep move and go top corner and beat any

879
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: of the goalies in the game. Or there was a

880
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: later version where Peter Forsburg had like this weird zigzag

881
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: move and he could juke a goalie out of his eyes.

882
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: So specific, okay, but the selling factor for me was

883
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: always was the blood. The blood, the guts, the gore.

884
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: You know, who did you play with?

885
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: Who was your team?

886
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: Actually? I was a Boston Bruins guy. I was a

887
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: Boston Bruins.

888
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: Did you play a lot of NHL? Right now?

889
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: I got.

890
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: I grew up in Florida.

891
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: An interesting story about NHL ninety four and the States.

892
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: Now this is early life if you take barbecue tongs.

893
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: He admitted to juicing with a tea spoon on a

894
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: Nintendo controller, going back and forth. This is true.

895
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: Okay, you made me into the man I am. Anyway,

896
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: my roommate and I and Mammy Age is probably listening

897
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: to this. A roommate and I in my sophomore junior

898
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: and senior years of college. During finals week, we would

899
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: blow off as much time as we need needed to.

900
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: It was our tradition three years running. We would play

901
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: on a rom version for his PC A full season.

902
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 4: Oh no, this like places you in college in such

903
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 4: a specific time.

904
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you're finding out about the kind of person

905
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: we would go. Let me tell you about limewiret start

906
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: to finish. So play a full season, a full season,

907
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: not one full season in totality, from start to finish

908
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: during the finals week during finals week, Yeah, and we

909
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: would's note to study until.

910
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: And this is between orgies. This is between clearly sexual escapades. Yeah, okay,

911
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: uh yeah. I loved NHL ninety four, but I was

912
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: not great at NHL ninety four. It was fine. You

913
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: know a lot of people talk about the glitch where

914
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: you can't stop the wrap around goal in NHL ninety four.

915
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: The thing that stood out to me, well, there's a

916
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: couple of things. One the puck and I understand why

917
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: because you're looking at the screen was the size of

918
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: a record. Of course, it was a very large puck.

919
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: And number two, that siren was piercing and there was

920
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: nothing worse. You know, you give up a home run

921
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: in a baseball game. You give up a home run,

922
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: you give up a touchdown, it's a long game. You

923
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: give up a goal, and not only do you give

924
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: up a goal, but you get a like alert, we

925
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: have a bad gamer right here.

926
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 4: Well, that's also some mom can know that you're playing

927
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 4: video games.

928
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: That's true. It's a very bad alert. So no, I

929
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: like to I played with the Canucks a lot of

930
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: Trevor Lelly, a lot of Pavel Boom.

931
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: I group as a Capitals fan, a lot of Capitals

932
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: for me in NHL ninety four. The PC version of

933
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 3: this game was incredible for nineteen ninety three, like had

934
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: like ridiculous saveabilities, like there were they could download files

935
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: for it. I remember very distinctly having to go to

936
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: Babbage's to buy to buy. I heard that word to

937
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: buy a two megabyte memory card for the computer. WHOA,

938
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: that costs like three hundred bucks. All the money, all

939
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: the money I had saved to play it, and I

940
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: was I.

941
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 4: And as Bill walked out, Dave Babbage himself, this business.

942
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: Will never go under. I'll be rich forever. Wow.

943
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: And somewhere Mike game Stop just looked at him and

944
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: say yeah, you fall show you.

945
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Listen, Sean compsa calm down, and then Samuel Goody would

946
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: be like you all are rue the day.

947
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: And any other hot hockey talks while we're on Maybe

948
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: maybe we'll just go sport the sport here.

949
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 3: I got all kinds of stuff I could do hockey

950
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: for the entire time. What else you have hockey wise,

951
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: Hockey League simulator, don't tell me? PC game, Deep Cut,

952
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: very Solid Cut. I'm a big fan of those. Was

953
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: this a license, sam, I don't remember it being a licensed,

954
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: but I think you could download.

955
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: So was this like you were a GM running Oh

956
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: you know me? Yeah, that's what I would do. Yeah,

957
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: for sure. And and again build set and concession prices.

958
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 2: You know, that's what I want to do with my life.

959
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: Sim GM. Yeah.

960
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: My last foray into the whole hockey universe with NHL Hits,

961
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: the Blitz version Hockey. Yeah, that was a good multiplayer

962
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: game NHL Hits, But that was like college. Was there

963
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: a z there was a zy making sure you got

964
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: to keep it consistent and on brand within the Blitz universe. Yes,

965
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: any other hockey stuff we need to get to. I

966
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: think that's it for I think we should go to

967
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 2: football because most of the time we're a football show.

968
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: That's fine.

969
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: We could probably talk till we're blue in the face

970
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: about the nineties generation of a football. It progressed in

971
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: leaps and bounds from Bill Walsh college football back in

972
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three through NCAA nineteen ninety nine, both for

973
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: Genesis and PC. It obviously evolved to a PlayStation and

974
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: now you know whatever we're up to these days.

975
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: And I started ninety one real quick before. Do you

976
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: know about the Joe Montana football? Oh?

977
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: No, right, I don't know.

978
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: Well, not glitch but a cheat. I see Joe Montana football.

979
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: You can go for a punt and not punt it

980
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: and run a fake punt, and fake punts are unstoppable.

981
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: The computer does not know how to program a defense,

982
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: so you just snap into the punter and the entire

983
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: defense runs backwards and you just run. That's how Tom

984
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: Tuba becomes. This is exactly right.

985
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: This is how the Rams have an offense.

986
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Sean Landetta.

987
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you talking about Joe Montana? Is this Joe

988
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: Montana football or Joe Montana Sports Talk football?

989
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: That's I'm not sure.

990
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: Are they different things?

991
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm looking at I'm looking at Joe

992
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: Montana Football for the Genesis Master System and MS.

993
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 4: This is also reflective of how poorly these games were named. Yes, yes,

994
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 4: what is Jana's Sports Talk foot like?

995
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: What?

996
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: Well?

997
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: There was a there was I think this was the

998
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: first game that had to play by play guy, right,

999
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: which was Pat summer All, who had maybe fourteen things

1000
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: to say over the course of an entire football rest

1001
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: in peace.

1002
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: Yes, Pat commentary through the Madden series in the nineties

1003
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: was a thing to beholding. Oh yeah, mon yol flag

1004
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: on the play. I mean, there are iconic phrases that

1005
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: there's a man down, man down. Yeah.

1006
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: So okay, this is probably not the right thing to

1007
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: say of somebody who is passed. But do you remember

1008
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: you like where it's going on? I don't, No, No,

1009
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: I love Pat summerl I have nothing but just undying.

1010
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: Turn the podcast off now, yeah, turn.

1011
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: The podcast off now. No. You remember when Roger Ebert

1012
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: tragically lost his voice did Roger Roger Ebert? Roger Ebert

1013
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: lost he had like throat cancer and lost his voice box.

1014
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: But they were able with you know, using all of

1015
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: his old television apparences to like, reproduce his voice and

1016
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: audio John Wayne him right exactly, so he could communicate

1017
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: and it would sound like him to his wife and

1018
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: loved ones, which was like an incredible story technologically whatever

1019
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: I would have loved if this technology existed in a

1020
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: much lesser form and doctors had to go to Pat

1021
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: summer All and be like, Okay, so we think we

1022
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: can reproduce your voice using the video game, but you're

1023
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: only gonna be able to say very certain things. And

1024
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: so he has to have very serious conversations with his

1025
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: ne S and SNS voice. That would have been just

1026
00:48:58,800 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: the best for me.

1027
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: So he he goes to a restaurant and he orders

1028
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 3: no hamburger right, and uh, you know there's no ketchup

1029
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 3: on the side, And she has to call over the

1030
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: waitress and says, there's.

1031
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: A man down. What a man who I don't understand?

1032
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: Who is BONI where? The waitress says, we we normally

1033
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: cook our burgers medium is that okay? And he has

1034
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: to respond with no, no, no good. I'm an evil

1035
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: person and I apologize to the summarll estate.

1036
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 2: No good.

1037
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's all I am. Pat SUMMERL was a

1038
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: master of broadcasting both in real life and in video games.

1039
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: Were you more of a college football guy? Is a

1040
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: dumb question to be asking.

1041
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: I was all NFL video game until the late nineties

1042
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: when I had a of NCAA ninety eight, ninet nine

1043
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: for the PC. But just in terms of man hours,

1044
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: I was all NFL.

1045
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: I was transfixed by the football. Yeah, literally the football graphic,

1046
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: the graphic of the ball.

1047
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was six rectangles.

1048
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, a a six hundred by

1049
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: three hundred image that was in the upper left or

1050
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: upper right depending on who had possession. Sure, and I

1051
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: remember looking at that in nineteen ninety three and for

1052
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: whatever reason reason, being transfixed by it looks so real. Yeah, gosh,

1053
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 2: it's so real. I gotta get this game.

1054
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was what it took. Cairns are.

1055
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 2: Like, this is this is twelve year old tie.

1056
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1057
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 2: The football is what sold me on Bill Walsh college football.

1058
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: I had the gameplay, and you know.

1059
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: I had all the games, but okay, you had all

1060
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: the games for Super Nintendo. I don't beyond Madden. I

1061
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: don't remember playing much. Madden was was the move. I

1062
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: was not very good at it until the late nine

1063
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: when we got a PS.

1064
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: One No like Techmo.

1065
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: No like not not the not the super tech Mobile

1066
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: for us any s, No, not really. I played it

1067
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: probably a couple of times. The only like non Madden

1068
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: nineties game. I played a lot of this with Alex,

1069
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: my little brother was We got a PS one in

1070
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: the late nineties and we played a crap ton of

1071
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: NFL game Day.

1072
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: Sure, very solid fun.

1073
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: And I loved playing with the Jags because Fred Taylor

1074
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: was incredible.

1075
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: That's what you were a Jaguars fan for you, deigned

1076
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 4: middle brother Max was a Jaguars but love the Jags.

1077
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: Your your your family has so many connections to the Jaguars.

1078
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: It's very strange. But I loved playing with the Jacks. Well,

1079
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: his dad's Mark Brunell. No, not a lot of people.

1080
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: God, we lost, we lost all of our money, Please

1081
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: help us. But you grew an elaborate mustache.

1082
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: Yes, no, everything's good now, but yeah it was Game

1083
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: Day was the only non Mad but everything else was

1084
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: Pat Summer.

1085
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 3: Let me let me ask you guys a question. Yeah,

1086
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: in the early Madden games, of course, if there was

1087
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: an injury, you guys know what would come on to

1088
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: the corus? The cart would come how how much time

1089
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 3: running over. That's exactly what I want. So how no, No,

1090
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: it's fine. How much time were you willing to invest

1091
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: to try and cause an injury? To see the ambulance

1092
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 3: come onto the field and run over players? Cause I

1093
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: would say on a daily basis, at least a half

1094
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 3: hour of my life is devoted.

1095
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for months on end. Just how many years

1096
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: of your life collectively do you think you spent playing

1097
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: video games?

1098
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: Oh?

1099
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: God, this is a depressing question.

1100
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 3: Is are we including like games I can play in

1101
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 3: the background on my computer while I'm doing other I'm

1102
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 3: talking console games, console games growing up? Oh boy, I

1103
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: mean it's got to be at least like two years, right, Yeah.

1104
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: I think it's probably a year. A good year for sure,

1105
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: just in your year in.

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00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: Spain, Yeah, going to museums and riching your mind? Did

1107
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: you Tie? I want to ask Tie first, because he

1108
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: is the one with the most to lose. Were you

1109
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: a controller breaker? Oh? Yeah, with a loan or with

1110
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: others or it's weird to do it alone? Almost I

1111
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: get it with other people.

1112
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: And I broke a controller this year on a PS four.

1113
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: I'm not kiddy, what are you?

1114
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: Thirty five years old?

1115
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: I broke a controller this year. Why that shit's explosive?

1116
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: What what was the context.

1117
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: FIFA with anybody there in person? No, how did you

1118
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: break it? It was a hulk smash right into the carpet,

1119
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: hardwood floor. So you just you spiked it?

1120
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh my god, I spiked it the way

1121
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: I spiked my phone When Brady Quinn lost to b

1122
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: YU opening season like two thousand and five. Brady Quinn's

1123
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: terrible at FIFA.

1124
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is very bad.

1125
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah what Yeah, I'm a controller breaker. What what caused

1126
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: you to spike your controller? And just sheer rage?

1127
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1128
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 2: The computer I can't get past world class difficulty level.

1129
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: If I try to bump it up to legendary.

1130
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: The computer starts doing weird things. So luke m you

1131
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: are not.

1132
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: No, has this like very steely look right now. I

1133
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: know that you know I'm not. I'm not kidding about it.

1134
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I guilt.

1135
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 2: I killed a drifter once and I will tell you

1136
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: the whole story.

1137
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that's right. That's that's so. I would say,

1138
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: just getting back to the nineties and not ties modern

1139
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: adult rage, I would say nineties wise, I spent the

1140
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: most of the time if we're going to add up

1141
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: man hours. It was NBA Games. It was NBA Jam

1142
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: and NBA.

1143
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 2: Live, those two series. Is are you finishing football?

1144
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: Is there anything please?

1145
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 4: I played an unlicensed okay, so are you familiar with

1146
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 4: the like King's Quest line of games? Yes?

1147
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: Sure, coated by a little company called Sierra Online.

1148
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: That's right.

1149
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: They had a football game, Football Pro, which I would

1150
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: not have my career if it were not for that game.

1151
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: He mentioned that earlier.

1152
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I played. I definitely played that on our home

1153
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 4: PC with a joystick.

1154
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: So what is the difference between Front Page Sports beyond

1155
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: not licensing game licensing player names and team names, what's

1156
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: what's the big difference?

1157
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 4: Pretty poorly made, I would say, great, Like, like I

1158
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 4: you could quickly learn, You're like, okay, here are the

1159
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 4: there are like four plays you can run.

1160
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: There are a lot of plays you can run.

1161
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: But therefore you're like, this will either be an eighteen

1162
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 4: yard loss or a touchdown, and you just sort of

1163
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: like run the numbers and you're just like, well, let's

1164
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 4: just run those.

1165
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: Let's just do that, right.

1166
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 4: It was very because it wasn't licensed, it was hillaciously customizable.

1167
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: So I was just like me and all my middle

1168
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: school friends.

1169
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: We're a team. Now, that's right. How'd you guys do?

1170
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: I don't like playoffs, but not when when anything?

1171
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: I have two front page sports football pro things. I

1172
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: remember three things.

1173
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: I got the.

1174
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 3: Game originally because I made money working a wedding as

1175
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: an ultar boy. He earned me the earned me the

1176
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: forty bucks to take.

1177
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: For the game. Tip.

1178
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: That's how that works for you.

1179
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: Get ultar boys get tipped to do.

1180
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: Events at what point in the night? Tip. They're not

1181
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: sticking around for the recession. I don't know the no, no,

1182
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: you're not fighting. I'm not even a good jew.

1183
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: You're not inviting the altar boy be like, hey man,

1184
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: it's open bar.

1185
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So people are tipping you on the way out.

1186
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 3: And you're making some cash. Bhot the game that way

1187
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: fantastic camp to me.

1188
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

1189
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: I created a league. I played a lot of leagues online.

1190
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 3: I created a league that was a big twelve league

1191
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 3: in like nineteen ninety seven.

1192
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: Wow, it's like.

1193
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 3: I have a lot of knowledge of like the nineteen

1194
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: ninety seven Colorado Buffaloes that I should not have, like

1195
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: Phil Savoy being the best receiver in America for some reason. Uh,

1196
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: and then I played in the league online. I won

1197
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: one championship my entire time playing, and it was a

1198
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: league where you could see, like you could watch the

1199
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 3: game tape from the previous week. Look like you could

1200
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 3: load up that game on your computer if you have

1201
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 3: certain files for it, and you can see what the

1202
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: plays were running. You can like what their playbook was.

1203
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 4: We're watching Tate watch okay, you know then you know

1204
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 4: who he defeated in the championship was Chris Berman.

1205
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 3: Was in the ESPN League, and I realized that this

1206
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: guy who I was playing against like having sold like

1207
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 3: some custom punt play m hmm, that was incredibly susceptible

1208
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: to fake punts. So in the championship, IM just trying

1209
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 3: to fake punt every single time and beat him like

1210
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: seventy one to three. And he was curious at me,

1211
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: like it was like troll like like like cursing me

1212
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: out in an AOL chat room for for hours on

1213
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: end because I was playing up.

1214
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: To the spirit of the game. Yeah, wow, I showed him.

1215
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: So this is ninety seven ish.

1216
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: There was ninety five and ninety six for the two

1217
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 3: really great ones. Ninety seven was kind of a little

1218
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: bit worse than ninety eight. Ninety eight was.

1219
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 4: So bad that they had to recall it and that

1220
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: killed the series. I was doing like ninety five.

1221
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So I just like in both of your cases,

1222
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: the fact that AOL really comes into existence in ninety

1223
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: four ninety five. People are just like movie Times and like,

1224
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm talking to somebody from Germany, or.

1225
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: That's just the online host. That's that person's not from Germany.

1226
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Again, I am twelve years old.

1227
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: What's going on at the Munich reel? Welcome to movie Phone? Yeah,

1228
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: I just like that this whole universe has opened up,

1229
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm running fake punts against the Kansas

1230
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: State wildcast. Look what I do? Now, that's true. It

1231
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: was a baseline that you pull up probably could not

1232
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: have seen.

1233
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: Unlike the rest of us. Bill can look back at

1234
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: his whole childhood and be like.

1235
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: It was all for it worked.

1236
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all tax right off and hindsight all right?

1237
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1238
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 2: Basketball, yes, go on basketball, because I'm looking at my

1239
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: list here. NBA jam was a a It's brilliant a

1240
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: transformation turnament edition or standard both both both are right.

1241
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: The fact that tournament edition was better I agree thought.

1242
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: And then of course you had hang time because there

1243
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: was a split between a claim and midway.

1244
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: Not not about that, right.

1245
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: No, NBA champ Pierre. The fact that one they couldn't

1246
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: get all the best players made it even better. You

1247
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: got a better appreciation for your debt left shrimps.

1248
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: That's right, Scott Skyles.

1249
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: What was your team? I would play with the Sonics

1250
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: a lot, actually, just because Peyton Camp complimented each other

1251
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: really well. Or the Jazz because you had the stock

1252
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: to him alone. But if you wanted to get real shooty,

1253
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: you could bring in Hornet.

1254
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: I was more of a Charlotte Hornet's guy with great

1255
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 2: Larry Johns.

1256
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: And Muggsy was real fun because he's tiny. Whatever.

1257
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 3: I felt really bad for the Mavericks because they were

1258
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: the first team you played in the Arcade game. So

1259
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 3: I played as Alfred Harper and Mike Azlina and I

1260
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 3: did not win a lot of games.

1261
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah that's okay, but you you really you were loyal.

1262
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: I can appreciate that.

1263
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I mean, football advanced to a great

1264
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: deal from Nintendo to Sega. I don't think there was

1265
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 2: any greater advance in any of these sports games than

1266
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: from Double Dribble in the old nes Days where you're

1267
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: like shooting up half court shots and the clock is

1268
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: running a million miles an hour, to NBA Jam right

1269
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: in the mid nineties or early nineties, I guess in

1270
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 2: this case and NBA Live ninety five, if you're looking

1271
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: for more of a realistic variety of your basketball game,

1272
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: that to me represented the greatest delta from a.

1273
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 4: Ton't So it's interesting you say that because the smartest

1274
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 4: thing NBA Jam did, the hardest thing I think that

1275
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 4: all basketball video games have, is that is getting the

1276
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 4: shooting right. Yes, it is the thing that looks weirdest,

1277
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: that feels sloppiest. And NBA Jam was like, what if

1278
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 4: we completely remove any incentive to shoot? Did you just

1279
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 4: shoot jumpers? You just want to jam? So the shooting

1280
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 4: looks like ass in the NBA Jam and nobody cared about.

1281
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: It about all ever. And I like that the fact

1282
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: that if you're playing NBA Live, if you want to

1283
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: be good at NBA Live, you gotta get good at

1284
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: entry passes.

1285
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I got it.

1286
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: You got to move it around. You call those damn plays.

1287
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: And NBA Jam was like, what if we just jacked

1288
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: it and dunked it. What if we just jacked it

1289
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: and dunked it. And the fact that NBA JAM was like,

1290
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: let's put the Beastie Boys in it, Let's put the designers.

1291
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: I still know if I were on Jeopardy tonight and

1292
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: the final Jeopardy question was like this NBA JAM designer

1293
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: put his own image into the game as a playable character,

1294
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: I'd be like, that's Mark.

1295
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 3: My second favorite piece of IM was I interviewed Mark

1296
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,479
Speaker 3: Trammel about NBA was cool.

1297
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: He was super cool. I like that. I like hearing

1298
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: so good. But yeah, you could play is Raydon from

1299
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: Mortal Kombat?

1300
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: You know there was you could play as the President

1301
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 3: of the United States, Right, that's right.

1302
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: And I don't even know if I knew the names

1303
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: of the Beastie Boys before NBA JAM, Well that is

1304
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: on me. But the fact that NBA JAM was like, yeah,

1305
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: there's no window to this. Yeah there's mc A, there's

1306
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: Mike d whatever.

1307
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah you're saying like you don't remember the name of

1308
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 3: the third person from the Beastie Boys.

1309
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: Right, I know, Adam, youch whatever. But I'm I'm forever grateful.

1310
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: That's okay.

1311
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm a bad person. I get it, I'm not cool,

1312
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: but NBAHAM was terrific, wonderful.

1313
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 2: NBA Jam for me is like, probably it was fun

1314
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: in the area one or two if I'm ranking from

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Speaker 2: that era.

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's I think it's the number one

1317
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: ninety sports video game, even more so than Techmo super Bowl,

1318
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: which is great just because it was the first true

1319
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: video game that happened to be about sports. It had

1320
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: that like spirit.

1321
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: I feel like the Bell Weather for a good ninety

1322
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: sports video game, one that had like a lasting influence

1323
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: is would you still play it in like nineteen ninety

1324
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: eight when the graphics had evolved by.

1325
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: Leaps and power for sure?

1326
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 2: And the undeniable answer for that NBA Jam series is yes.

1327
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 4: Well, the other interesting thing, you know, we're talking about

1328
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 4: ratings earlier because you usually only had what like three

1329
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 4: players on a team that you could choose between NBA Jam,

1330
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 4: and because they didn't have all the stars, they had

1331
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 4: to make some choices and say, Okay, we know this

1332
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 4: guy is not actually a seven at three point shooting,

1333
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 4: but you only get to choose three, and we can't

1334
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 4: have one of them be total garbage. So yeah, pop

1335
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 4: Eye Jones guess what you can get three now?

1336
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: Oh it was wonderful.

1337
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Alonzo Morning had stunning three point ability, right, all these.

1338
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 4: Guys just yeah they it was a rising tide that

1339
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 4: lifted all boats.

1340
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: And the thing that also was great about NBA Jam

1341
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: it was zoomed in a little bit more. It was

1342
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: the horizontal look. So NBA Live had that weird like

1343
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: dieng Yeah, and so it's the the engine was completely off,

1344
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: like guys would shoot jumpers from the free throw line,

1345
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: but they were also suddenly like long jumping thirty eight

1346
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: feet in the process where everything just seemed a little

1347
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: bit Bromfield game that remade exactly like they use a

1348
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 1: weird try. Well, yes, I loved NBA Live. I think

1349
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: it probably peaked with ninety five. I never cared about

1350
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: any of the like Blazers versus Bowls or like Jordan

1351
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: versus Bird whatever. I didn't care about any of those,

1352
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: like one on one games that you.

1353
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: Didn't play Jordan versus Blazers, which was just him beating

1354
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: five different Blazers.

1355
01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: I watched it.

1356
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: That's a much more fun game. Yeah, and then he

1357
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: goes their houses and just Jordan, and then Jordan versus

1358
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 2: Bird was okay. I was okay with that game, but

1359
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: it couldn't hold a candle to any of the NBA

1360
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 2: jam no of course, any.

1361
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,919
Speaker 1: Other games from like the Genesis s N E s Era.

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Speaker 3: I I liked NBA Live ninety six, which was again

1363
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 3: that had like the ESPN two lowercase font which informed

1364
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 3: the my podcast this show, but it was weirdly specific,

1365
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 3: like it had edit the player mode where if you

1366
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 3: edit in like the information for like the guys who

1367
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 3: weren't in the game, especially Michael Jordan, they would like

1368
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 3: the game would realize it and like give him like

1369
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 3: ninety nine ratings across the board, and I was like, oh,

1370
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: I can unlock this.

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01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: This is incredible.

1372
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: So this is when EA Sports figured out that they

1373
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: could have the back door into like yes, unlisted, let's

1374
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 2: let's build Sam Keller out of them. And Sarritory definitely

1375
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: sounds like a movie that would have been on USA.

1376
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 2: Up on the would have been the start.

1377
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: And he was a detective who was not necessarily playing

1378
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: by the sexual rules.

1379
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, not comfortable. So we were just talking about

1380
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: basketball games where we talking just Genesis in.

1381
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: General, Genesis SNS obviously the Big SNS game again didn't

1382
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: have it was around it a lot. Was Kang Junior Ball,

1383
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it had a specific name,

1384
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: but you never played it. It was those super weird

1385
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: pitching and swinging timing. I remember that in the stances

1386
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: were very strange, but it was a fun game. Didn't controversial,

1387
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure. But Baseball Stars to me is still a

1388
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: better game. Okay, better game than people swore by Kangraff choices.

1389
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking at other popular games. You have Wave Race

1390
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: sixty four. Excuse me, that's Nintendo sixty four obviously Mega

1391
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: Man's Soccer. No, well, okay, can we can we? I

1392
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: don't know.

1393
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 4: Maybe you all have talked about this. We're talking about

1394
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 4: sports games? Are we talking about?

1395
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: These?

1396
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 4: Are sports games that exist in our physical universe? Or

1397
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 4: like we get domb Is Mario Kart a sports game?

1398
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: I think?

1399
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: I think because it's a racing game.

1400
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 3: We've pretady posted a great length. Would you say road

1401
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,439
Speaker 3: Rash as a sports game?

1402
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 4: Yes, because that's what we play at pe in Florida.

1403
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: That counts. Then there it is. It's been decided.

1404
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: So some other games. For me, again more of a

1405
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 2: genesis guy here. I was big on the Olympic games.

1406
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: Oh wow, it was huge because they were non standard,

1407
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: you know, like I didn't have the spoon trick. No

1408
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 2: with Lily Hammer ninety four.

1409
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 4: It's terrible to play. Yeah, they all none of them

1410
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 4: lend themselves to video games.

1411
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: They felt very rushed. Yeah.

1412
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing about an Olympic game that was

1413
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: awful is that there were only a few events that

1414
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 2: were fun.

1415
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: None of them are.

1416
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 4: Here's why none of them are fun. All these other

1417
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 4: games were talking about basketball, football, hockey, baseball. To some extent,

1418
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 4: they all have like freedom of motion. You play within

1419
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 4: a court or a field, but like almost every Olympic event,

1420
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 4: it's like go from here to here, and maybe you

1421
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 4: have to do something in between. You have to vault,

1422
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 4: or maybe you have to like flip or whatever, or

1423
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 4: you have to swim, you have to jump over something.

1424
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 4: But it's just straight line and that's the most boring

1425
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 4: thing you can do in it.

1426
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: But think of the games that we play on the

1427
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: phone now, they're all swept games. They're not any harder.

1428
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 2: There's no free.

1429
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: Can you imagine walking into like an eleven year old

1430
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 1: Ties living room and seeing Tie just like fist pump

1431
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: doing the luge.

1432
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. The luge was my little You

1433
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 2: couldn't there was no freedom of motion, so it was

1434
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 2: all like ski job right, speed skating right, short track speeds,

1435
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: baby speed skating game, biath on a lot of fun.

1436
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 3: I'm just picturing him like holding down a Bulgarian and

1437
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 3: Gregor Ruin wrestling for twenty minutes.

1438
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: No wrestling almost got him.

1439
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 2: I do want tom Lily Hammer Night go wait Lily

1440
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: Hammer ninety four was a quality game and the other

1441
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: one that I'll throw in there.

1442
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's sports or not. These guys

1443
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: are laughing at me. This is fine.

1444
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 4: These isn't the sport note these are the sports games

1445
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 4: your mom buys for you because she's like, well, it's

1446
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 4: the Olympics, and let me tell.

1447
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: You a story before and Mama h will back me

1448
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: up on this. But Capcom's gold Medal Challenge, which I

1449
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: discussed in our ny Es portion before you got here,

1450
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 2: I physically called toys r us for about a month straight,

1451
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 2: because this is before the days of the Internet and

1452
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 2: being connected to know when things actually came in. I

1453
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 2: called that poor sap of a manager every day for

1454
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: a month until the game came in. You know they

1455
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 2: had demanded a hold off.

1456
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 3: You know, they had it for like three weeks, and

1457
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 3: we're just like, we're just gonna you didn't want.

1458
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: To take any chances.

1459
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 3: Bill did not want to take off, like god, for

1460
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 3: three We're just gonna keep telling this kid, now, there's

1461
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 3: no way back.

1462
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 2: Quarter the other one that I'll throw in here, and

1463
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 2: maybe this is not a challenge. Yeah, that's how it sounded.

1464
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 2: The other one that I'll throw in here, WWF Royal Rumble.

1465
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: Oh.

1466
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 2: I was waiting for the wrestling of this conversation.

1467
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: This should be this should be spoken of.

1468
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 2: Great game, Royal Rumble ninety three. So we have we have.

1469
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 3: I'll get to a game later on my favorite game

1470
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 3: of all, my favorite game of this era of the nineties.

1471
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 3: But I will say up there as well, WWF wrestle

1472
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 3: Fest for the RD, which I had a Royal Rumble

1473
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 3: mode and also had a tag team mode. You would

1474
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,799
Speaker 3: play as the you try and beat the Road Warriors

1475
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 3: where the main people And I'm reminded of it because

1476
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 3: I I have a story from my IGN days. In

1477
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 3: the breakroom at IGN, there was this like massive arcade

1478
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 3: machine that had maybe six hundred different games on it

1479
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 3: that you could, you know, kind of cycle through and play.

1480
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 3: And I was playing wrestle Fest many days. But this

1481
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 3: one day in the breakroom and I was told by

1482
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 3: my manager, Hey, get back to your desk. I'm like, wow,

1483
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 3: what's up? Like, who cares? Everyone plays video games. It

1484
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 3: was like Rupert Murdoch coming into the office and Rupert legend,

1485
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 3: Rupert Murdoch had just bought IGN a few months earlier. Okay,

1486
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, okay, Well, got back to my desk,

1487
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 3: and they circulated very quickly, and my saying, don't take pictures,

1488
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 3: don't make eye contact with mister Murdoch, you know, don't

1489
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 3: basically just act like he is not there. So this

1490
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 3: very old man starts shuffling through the ig In offices.

1491
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 3: Apparently he was showing the website and said, what's that

1492
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 3: This website he paid eight hundred and fifty million dollars

1493
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 3: for a few months earlier. And then he with uh,

1494
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 3: with our ceo, he played a game of we tennis.

1495
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 3: I would have paid one thousand dollars to be the

1496
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: person playing the game of tennis suber Murdoch.

1497
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 4: But I just want to say, it's kind of screwed.

1498
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 4: Up the break room at IGN had an arcade machine.

1499
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 4: That's like working at the air Hockey table factory.

1500
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: It's true, you guys should release had a Papa shot

1501
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: something physical.

1502
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 3: No, nope, we're going.

1503
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: Virtue a tennis.

1504
01:10:59,240 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 2: Quickly.

1505
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: Another another game of this era for sn E S

1506
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: now that we're talking about just not the mainstream sports.

1507
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: Super Tennis was pretty good.

1508
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if I ever played.

1509
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: Super Tennis was pretty good. It was everybody wore white.

1510
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: It was just like a very like just aple game.

1511
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: That's just what I know it was. It was like

1512
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: pretty much yeah, and it would be like this.

1513
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 2: Guys, fan is like this is the purest for this.

1514
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: Is as tennis was meant to be played.

1515
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 2: Play is for cowards?

1516
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was. It was totally good

1517
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: and I would play it again.

1518
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 2: Anything else from sn E S from SEGA, No.

1519
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: We covered wrestling well. I mean the thing we didn't

1520
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: actually cover for ne E S was Mike Tyson's Punch Out,

1521
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: which is an Alzheimer And.

1522
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: Did that come out in nineteen came out in nineteen

1523
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: eighty seven.

1524
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so that came out in eighty seven, So then

1525
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: there was super punch Out for the sn E S,

1526
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: which was also wonderful quality game.

1527
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 2: We could probably do an hour podcast on punch.

1528
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: Out, and we've already we've named somebody in our office

1529
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: little Mac, not after him, but it's good to have

1530
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: a little Mac back in our lives.

1531
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: Love of ordering kids sized.

1532
01:11:58,439 --> 01:11:59,520
Speaker 1: Mac and cheese.

1533
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So next era Dreamcast, uh, Nintendo sixty four, Yeah,

1534
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: Sega station Place, Sega CD. Let's just kind of group

1535
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: ball together since.

1536
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 4: We're now night Trap is not a sports game, guy,

1537
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 4: Crazy Taxi is Crazy tax He is a sports game.

1538
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 2: I want to know the offspring are in it.

1539
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: One thing before we deep dive this. If anybody were

1540
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: to own this, it probably would have been you, given

1541
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: your history now of owning everything. Did you own a

1542
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: Neo g O? I did not? Foreign console?

1543
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 4: You are?

1544
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 2: I did not? I did not, Just.

1545
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: Making sure, Okay, So you went n sixty four in

1546
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: this era, I went PlayStation. You went PlayStation.

1547
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: We had a PlayStation s sixty four.

1548
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 1: Okay. So that's where the line is drawn. So Sony

1549
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: enters into the fray. We played a ton of Game

1550
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: Day and then that transferred into into Madden. I don't

1551
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: know beyond that, how much like we didn't really do racing.

1552
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: I did a little need for speed stuff, but nothing,

1553
01:12:58,479 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: nothing major.

1554
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: It was all it was all blitzed, a lot of

1555
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 2: how to be blitz Yeah yeah, ton of blitz. Blitz

1556
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: was nineteen ninety nine. Okay, so the very end, right

1557
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,799
Speaker 2: under the wire, it's spilled. It's spilled over very nicely

1558
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 2: into the whole college era list for so apparently I'm

1559
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 2: the oldest guy in the room, so for me, its

1560
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: thank you. It's spilled over quite nicely into the whole

1561
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 2: college era. But the three for me that jump out

1562
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,799
Speaker 2: NFL Blitz for PlayStation ninety nine, like an all timer

1563
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: that's like number three on my list. Here yea Tony

1564
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: Hawk pro skaterka was you know how many have they

1565
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 2: made of those? By the way, wel yeah, it's like

1566
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's put him all his kids through

1567
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: college at this point. And Tiger Woods ninety nine. Yeah,

1568
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 2: I know, I know you're not.

1569
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: A No, Tiger Woods is real fun.

1570
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 2: But the golf video games, I mean I could go

1571
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 2: back into like PGA ninety also for Sego was like

1572
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 2: ninety four PGA to ninety four. I seem to remember

1573
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 2: reading a review that it was like the best video game.

1574
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 2: It was about golf of all time. But Tiger Woods

1575
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 2: ninety nine for me was like that was a huge

1576
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 2: time sink.

1577
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: I have my number one golf video game of the nineties.

1578
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: And there's no idea if you.

1579
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 2: Will ever guess everybody people like pull over over.

1580
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, get off the treadmill right now. This

1581
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: is the I just I just remembered it. That's why

1582
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: I spoke to all of your food ready for this,

1583
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: put your baby down. Sega published this in nineteen ninety four.

1584
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 2: Stop doing surgery for.

1585
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: The game gear. Fred Couples Golf, Oh my god, is

1586
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 1: on the table.

1587
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 2: Wow?

1588
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: No, Fred Couples Golf, You're the oldest man in the world.

1589
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: It was really fun. He is the oldest.

1590
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: Tis the old span in the room. You're the oldest

1591
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 2: man in the world.

1592
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: I'll take it. That's a nice thing you've ever said.

1593
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 2: Wow.

1594
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so ninety nine Tiger Woods.

1595
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 2: Golf, but you're not going to back up your Fred

1596
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 2: Couples Golf ninety four.

1597
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: It was great. You could put all sorts of spin

1598
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: on the ball, a lot of club selection early on.

1599
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 2: These are literally just basic I know, I know.

1600
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: But they did a great job of showing it all off.

1601
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: By the way, golf to my earlier point about they've

1602
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 2: never figured out how to make baseball games that are

1603
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: realistic through the difficulty levels. Golf has kind of been

1604
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: that in that mold as well. Is it like that's

1605
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 2: PGA Tour ninety four they could make reasonably hard to

1606
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 2: the point where you didn't outplay it if you got

1607
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 2: used to it. But since then through PlayStation now we're

1608
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 2: up to what PS four, they've never figured out a

1609
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 2: way to make those games realistically hard in a way

1610
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 2: that you can keep playing them without getting better.

1611
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 4: There is a reason why that is, like you can't

1612
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,560
Speaker 4: you can't go and easily play like high quality basketball.

1613
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 2: I understand the reason. I understand the reason. All they

1614
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: can do in the golf games is make the courses

1615
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 2: longer or the win stronger.

1616
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 4: Well, it was also it was also just like if

1617
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 4: you have twenty eight dollars and immuni nearby, you can go.

1618
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: Be bad at golf. You can't live that life.

1619
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: You don't need it in the video, right, you don't

1620
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: need that's your time for greatness, right, exactly?

1621
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, it's wish fulfillment.

1622
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, all right, So anything so dreamcasts we

1623
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: talked about, we're talking club sports. Virtual Tennis was a

1624
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: perfect game. That game.

1625
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 2: I would put that game probably in my top five.

1626
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: It was.

1627
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 2: And I didn't even own a Dreamcast, but I played

1628
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: it on a friends And.

1629
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 3: There's the secret. Nobody actually owned a dreams I did

1630
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 3: you son up a bitch?

1631
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 2: No one.

1632
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: I think it's still at my parents' house. So between

1633
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: the Dreamcast and tie buying Litla Hammer ninety four, we

1634
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: have two purchases that left somebody at a Toys r

1635
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: Us saying somebody actually it's been sitting there for eight

1636
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: and a half months, saying we didn't even have to

1637
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: put it in the in the pile of cheap.

1638
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 2: Cheap, cheap video. You're just like, stay by my purchase. Yeah,

1639
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, but Virtual Attennis was one. They had

1640
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 2: real names.

1641
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know how they got real names because

1642
01:16:56,200 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: there's no governing hip courier. So I went back and

1643
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: watch some gameplay. Yeah yeah, Tommy Haas was in that game.

1644
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: I went back and watched some gameplay, and it is

1645
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 1: better than I thought gameplay wise, and so much better

1646
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: menu wise. First of all, they're playing like this Driving Medal.

1647
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you select a play and there's

1648
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: like lightning that comes down and it's you're selecting Thomas

1649
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: ng Fists like I've selected who.

1650
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:26,440
Speaker 2: Was the brit in the game.

1651
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: Enters the battlefield. Yeah. Virtual tennis was was great. It

1652
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: was just a simple meter when you served. And then

1653
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: the great thing about the mechanics and virtual a tennis

1654
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 1: was they only basically designed it. So there was a

1655
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: volley motion and a full groundstroke motion. But if you

1656
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: were you know, six ft and overhead most and overhead

1657
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: overhead yeah yea yeah, but if you were six feet

1658
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: from the net and the ball bounced, the guys would

1659
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,640
Speaker 1: all out swing, but you would only hit it like

1660
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: four freight feet. It made no sense. It was were

1661
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 1: small heads and huge bodies. It was great.

1662
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1663
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 1: The dives, everybody was diving.

1664
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 2: Very very smooth gameplay. Yeah, oh it was very very smooth.

1665
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 4: I mean if you if you and a buddy hopped on,

1666
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 4: oh yeah you could.

1667
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: You could rally for hours. I could never master the

1668
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 2: lob shot though it's tough. Could never master the lobby

1669
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: cowards lob so it doesn't matter. There was there was

1670
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 2: also if you could somehow master like the combination of

1671
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 2: going like cross court.

1672
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 4: Yeah you gotta move around, absolutely, yeah you could.

1673
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: You could win relatively easy.

1674
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: So I've got a tennis brain. So I was good

1675
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: at wrong footing people. I was good at that.

1676
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 3: Can I admit something please? I've spent most of the

1677
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 3: show just thinking of situations where Pat Summer would have

1678
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 3: to rely on.

1679
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: Right, is that it's not good?

1680
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 3: Like I'm just picturing picturing Pat Summer all just standing

1681
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 3: out a corner minding his own business. A person walks

1682
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 3: by and like, oh, sir, are you okay or do

1683
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 3: you need any help? And he just looks at her

1684
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 3: and says the bus.

1685
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 2: I was going to say, he only has eight options,

1686
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 2: like a techno super Bowl.

1687
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: God, Pat Somewherell goes to the theater. His wife says,

1688
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: what Pat would you think? And he says great you

1689
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah that's all I wanted him.

1690
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 4: What was the I think it was a two K

1691
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 4: game for a Dreamcast that had the whole feature where

1692
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 4: you could pick the play on your controller and not

1693
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:42,839
Speaker 4: on the screen.

1694
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 2: Randy Moss is a Randy Moss featured game.

1695
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: As I recall, I don't remember.

1696
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 3: Okay, Wow, this was Marshall Football in ninety eight, just

1697
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 3: a football game that just said Marshall and nobody else.

1698
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: Marsh good, I'm looking right now, by the way, I

1699
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: did not. I totally had forgotten about this game. So

1700
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: in talking about hits, it was NHL hits. Yeah. There

1701
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: was also two on two open Ice and that was

1702
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: from the NBAH.

1703
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:11,759
Speaker 2: I played that in the arcade.

1704
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know it was released for PlayStation

1705
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: and Windows, but yes, that existed as well, and I

1706
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: had playing a.

1707
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 3: Lot of games on Windows ninety eight back and yeah,

1708
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 3: the old n C Double A games.

1709
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 2: It was deadly.

1710
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: Did you play triple play Baseball?

1711
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 2: I did a little.

1712
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 1: I played it on the computer and it was pretty

1713
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: It was what's his name? The Toronto It's like a

1714
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: former Toronto manager was one of the Buck Yes, but Showalter, No, no,

1715
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: Buck Williams, yeah, Buck Martinez, Martinez what it was? And

1716
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: they had a bunch of fake ads in that game.

1717
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 2: It was I mean to a fourteen year old, it

1718
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 2: was like, in hindsight, it was like everything was a

1719
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 2: minor league game. Yeah, it was like the fourth inning

1720
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: is brought to you by Merles Lobster and Tires. It

1721
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 2: was like it was what I what I liked about

1722
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: the triple plays. But I liked about the Triple Play

1723
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 2: series is they did a good job of mitigating like

1724
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 2: the issues you used to have with throwing in some

1725
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 2: of the older games, like you could hit up and

1726
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: it would go to second base, which made the game

1727
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: a little bit more enjoyable, and it was easier to

1728
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 2: turn a double play. But I was just sort of

1729
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 2: ambivalent on that game. Like baseball games, I've got a

1730
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 2: love hate thing with I like baseball Stars in the

1731
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: early nineties. I like clutch hitter in the arcade I had.

1732
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: I had a run with high Heat in two thousand

1733
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 2: and yix.

1734
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 3: I wanted to mention two baseball games and one of

1735
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 3: them was high Heat on the three d oh also

1736
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 3: on pc A. You can look it up on YouTube,

1737
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 3: a commercial involving Sammy Sosa, which if I did an

1738
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 3: in person impression, I'd be fired for being too racist.

1739
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 2: So you will do it and I.

1740
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: Will do it microphones they will pick up the intricacy.

1741
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 3: Yes, streamly exaggerated caricature of Sammy Sosa advertising for high

1742
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 3: Heat Baseball with I want to say Don Baylor assets manager.

1743
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the Hardball series of games. Okayck at that

1744
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 3: it was PC. I think it was pointed to maybe Genesis,

1745
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 3: maybe PlayStation. It was extremely customizable, but like it somehow

1746
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 3: got worse with each iteration. Like it was like Hardball

1747
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 3: three was like, Wow, this is really good. Hardball thlaugh

1748
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 3: was like basically unplayable and crashed constantly, like how'd you

1749
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 3: guys put this out?

1750
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:32,839
Speaker 1: Exactly?

1751
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 3: So a weird sort of development cycle for that game.

1752
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 3: But Hardball three phenomenal game, really good, very customizable, like

1753
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 3: you could edit the logos down to the pixel.

1754
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:44,719
Speaker 1: It was that good. Wow.

1755
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 2: I think I.

1756
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 1: Only had one baseball game ever, which was it doesn't

1757
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: even yeah register Yeah.

1758
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 4: It was around the time Tampa got an expansion baseball team,

1759
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 4: and I was like, this is how I will try,

1760
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 4: Quentin mccracky, let's see how you're not good?

1761
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 2: All right, I'm out.

1762
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: Did either one of you Bill Ryan break a controller? No,

1763
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: lose your temper.

1764
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: No, I would just punch my brother more so than

1765
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 2: a controller. Didn't have a brother, eleborate the controller.

1766
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 4: That was confident that if I did that, my parents

1767
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 4: would be like, well, I.

1768
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,879
Speaker 1: Guess that one's done. Yeah, that's good for you. Idiots. Yep, okay,

1769
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 1: but I do.

1770
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 2: I have.

1771
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 4: I have told you about my friend in college who,

1772
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 4: during a heated Mario Kart tournament, threw a controller through

1773
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 4: like the half wall separating separating the kitchen from the

1774
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 4: living room. It punctured the half wall, hit a water pipe,

1775
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:46,759
Speaker 4: and flooded the apartment. So one Mario Kart game caused

1776
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 4: probably eight thousand dollars worth of damage.

1777
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 2: I'll go a step further, Harry, did anyone here around

1778
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 2: the table you got you're really enjoying this?

1779
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1780
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: Did anyone here around the table ever attempt the engineering

1781
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 2: feat of taking apart the controller to figure out what

1782
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 2: was wrong with it and then fail at putting it

1783
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 2: back together? No?

1784
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 4: No, especially because like it's it's hard to remember now

1785
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 4: because if you, like, if you have a PlayStation or

1786
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 4: next months or something, that controller has some like weight

1787
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,679
Speaker 4: to it. Have you, when's the last time you picked

1788
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 4: up a Nintendo sixty four controller.

1789
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: It's been in months. It feels like it should.

1790
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 2: Be full of smarties. It feels so light and so

1791
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: cheap and so.

1792
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 4: Bullshit that you that if it was broken, I'd just

1793
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 4: be like, well, it clearly has one part.

1794
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 2: If you ever tried to disassemble one of those controllers.

1795
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 2: It was a feat of miraculous proportion to try and

1796
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 2: put it back together. Yeah, I'm sure, because there were

1797
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: so many little parts that weren't screwed in that would

1798
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 2: just kind of explode a second you took out the screws.

1799
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 2: It was never advised. I tried it twice, and in

1800
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 2: many ways it was worse than actually breaking a control

1801
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 2: out of a fit of rage, because most of the

1802
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 2: time you were just kind of curious, like, oh, I

1803
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 2: can fix this, he make this better. Yeah, I could

1804
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 2: get the get the nerds. Yeah, is it any wonder?

1805
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm an it guy. Yeah. Right. Did any of you

1806
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: ever play in a video game tournament? No? No, no,

1807
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: you did not. Did you ever come?

1808
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 2: So?

1809
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: I played in Up There Go the Lights Again? Awesome?

1810
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 2: I love it.

1811
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 1: I played in and I think it was a Techmo

1812
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 1: super Bowl tournament at like a baseball card store. It

1813
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 1: was very informal. It was like eight or twelve. Didn't

1814
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: have it. I did not, strangely enough, I did, but

1815
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: you felt that of God, damn it. I thought this

1816
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: was a partament.

1817
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 2: No.

1818
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: I played in the Techmo super because I had experience

1819
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: doing was beating up on my stupid little brother. So

1820
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: I thought I was great and beating up on the computer,

1821
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 1: beating up on my brother. And I get to this

1822
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: tournament and I got rug that worked. I got worried.

1823
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: I like didn't even I had normally played with like

1824
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, Joe Montana, whatever, But then I

1825
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: was in a phase where I was like, I want

1826
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: to play with the Bears. They've got a really good

1827
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: defense and like Jim Harbaugh can't really throw, but Neil

1828
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: Anderson's a decent enough running back whatever. And I was like,

1829
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: in my bear's face, I lost.

1830
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 2: God, the Bears have always been the Bear.

1831
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: They were so bad. I lost like fifty six to ten,

1832
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: and like the ten was just such mercy guard. Yeah,

1833
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: I got worked. Like I was just like going through

1834
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: my regular plays. He just stopped them all.

1835
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 2: And I was just, what is Madden Bowl still a thing?

1836
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh yeah, there's a techno super Bowl tournament every

1837
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: year in Madison.

1838
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 2: No, but I no, I'm talking about Madden Bowl.

1839
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is not which is the thing where NFL

1840
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 4: players they played the Super Bowl thing?

1841
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 2: You like, you're not sending Charlotte Wilder.

1842
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, we went. They did that in Arizona a couple

1843
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: of years ago.

1844
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 2: They do it every year.

1845
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if it's still true, but there

1846
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 4: was like a good five year stretch where whoever won

1847
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 4: Madden Bowl was somebody who you're like, yeah, that is

1848
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 4: the guy that I can tell does not really care

1849
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 4: about his NFL career because he's and he is very

1850
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,640
Speaker 4: good at this excellent and it's all coming together, Like,

1851
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 4: was green?

1852
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: Why didn't you pin out?

1853
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: I was he specifically very good at Madden?

1854
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 2: Oh?

1855
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: Jack was green?

1856
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure. I'm sure at least too Madden Jack

1857
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 2: was Green versus Rydel Anthony.

1858
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 1: Yes, no Gators. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Any other

1859
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: games from the nineties.

1860
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to mention my favorite game here we

1861
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 3: go of the nineties. It's an n sixty four game.

1862
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 3: It's called WCW nWo Revenge.

1863
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

1864
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: Okay, it is an incredible wrestling game.

1865
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 1: Why what separates that game? Because all wrestling games, and

1866
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 1: this is my own ignorance, they all sort of seem

1867
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: the same. You're throwing a bunch of all wrong. I

1868
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 1: know I'm wrong.

1869
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 2: I know I'm saying all fighting games are the same.

1870
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: Right, You're right, and I know I'm wrong because I

1871
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: never actually gave them enough of a chance. But what

1872
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: separates a great great wrestling game.

1873
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 3: So in an era where literally the Acclaim games were

1874
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 3: wrestlers who were having like hearts fly out of them

1875
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 3: every time they got hit because they wanted to have

1876
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 3: am wortal combat as game, it couldn't be blood. This

1877
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 3: was a game that was poorted over from Japan. It

1878
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 3: had a very nuanced mechanic for grappling, for you know,

1879
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 3: winning uh, winning the grapple, getting moves, Like the advancement

1880
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 3: was so significant where it was like, okay, we have

1881
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 3: wrestlers who have one or.

1882
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 1: Two moves each.

1883
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 3: The the Revenge had it was it started with w

1884
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 3: w NW World Tour and this was the follow up

1885
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 3: to that. Like wrestlers had twenty five moves each and

1886
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 3: they all were like customized for that exact person. It

1887
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 3: wasn't like usually had like a generic power bomb. You

1888
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 3: had like Kevin Nash's power bomb orch Jericho's power bomb.

1889
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 2: Who was what were you? Who did you prefer to play?

1890
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: Who did I prefer to play?

1891
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 2: As great?

1892
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,520
Speaker 1: Do you want me to go through all the characters?

1893
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 3: I mean they're like it's not that I don't know

1894
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 3: the characters that I'm literally trying to torn.

1895
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1896
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 3: Uh, there was a k I man who was this

1897
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 3: a t h q Achi game? So it was of

1898
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 3: course he had incredible moves. Was this guy in a suit?

1899
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 3: I preferred to play as Chris Jericho. Ultimo Dragon was

1900
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 3: high on my list.

1901
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Chris ben Wah had a kneel down double under hook

1902
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: power bomb in this game.

1903
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna mention Chris ben Wah.

1904
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 1: I know in this game. I'm just listing names there.

1905
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to say, you pronounce some of these names.

1906
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 3: I'm super excited.

1907
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not gonna be good. Do you have

1908
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: Brett Hart? Of course? The first Bill Goldberg? Go dogs right?

1909
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: Goldberg played for Georgia, Georgia and yeah, okay double the

1910
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: Harlem or not the just Harlem? Heat?

1911
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 2: Sure?

1912
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: British Bulldog? All right, all right? Jim Needheart's Nightheart nighttheart

1913
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: still with us Conon, Conan, Conan, how would you pronounce this?

1914
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 2: Coun be the entire show?

1915
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 3: Keep going, I'm joining this, hurt Hennig alight, mister perfect, okay,

1916
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 3: Brian Adams, I assume the Canadian crew.

1917
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho obviously fit Finlay Finley. Okay, well it's rich. Sure,

1918
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: that's all I have right here now, but it says

1919
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 1: and many more.

1920
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 2: Oh, there's like fifty more guys. I wanted to go

1921
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 2: through all fifty.

1922
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: Sting is in this game.

1923
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 2: Apparently you said Sting like you weren't sure, Prince.

1924
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1925
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, thing only fights Brian Adams, but he.

1926
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 1: Can only be playable with the use of a game shark.

1927
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 3: Yes, and there's also an incredible like ninety second intro

1928
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 3: where Sting stops Hulk Hogan in a truck for some reason. Uh,

1929
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 3: such good game that that that yielded w w F

1930
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 3: Wrestle MAINI at two thousand No Mercy, which is an

1931
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 3: incredible game, just a like a five or six year

1932
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 3: run of the best wrestling games for four or send a.

1933
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 2: Good wrestling game. Though you had to be able to

1934
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,560
Speaker 2: do the moves. Of course, you have to be to

1935
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 2: do the move. I mean it sounds you can't button mash. Yeah,

1936
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 2: it sounds simple to say, but some of the earlier games.

1937
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 2: But got Norton buff Bag. Well, as we all know,

1938
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 2: the earlier games, you had to be like some kind

1939
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 2: of savant to remember the combination to do some of

1940
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 2: these maneuvers or just.

1941
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 3: A young Bill Barnwell right remembered everything. What was the

1942
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 3: There was some sort of boxing game. I don't know

1943
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 3: if it's nineties or not. It might be just after

1944
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 3: that did not feature feature real boxers. It was like

1945
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 3: kind of cartoony and you had there was definitely a

1946
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 3: buffer in it as an announcer, and you had like

1947
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 3: comically large boxing gloves and swings.

1948
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm ready to rumble, yes, ready, yeah, yeah that was

1949
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 1: a game.

1950
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say boxing as it turned out.

1951
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 1: No, No, did not. Indeed, unfortunately, Bill, anything left on

1952
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: your list that brings you great video game passion?

1953
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 2: Anything left on my list? I'm looking through. I don't

1954
01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:58,320
Speaker 2: see a.

1955
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: Ton I'm out Ryan, any game the Taxi Crazy Taxi

1956
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: not a sports game? Strong disagree?

1957
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 4: You would would Cruise in USA be a sports game? No,

1958
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,600
Speaker 4: Daytona Tony USA would be? Did I this is not

1959
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 4: a nineties game?

1960
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1961
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 4: But I want to ask Bill Barnwell on the spot,

1962
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 4: did you ever own or play NFL head Coach?

1963
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 1: The short lived Madden.

1964
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 4: Ungee's On the other one, the short lived Madden spin

1965
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Speaker 4: off where you only call plays.

1966
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Speaker 3: I well, working at I GN interviewed Tony Dungeys coach experience,

1967
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Speaker 3: and then interviewed Adam Schefter about it. He's in the

1968
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Speaker 3: game as well, awesome and my future colleague. Very nice guy.

1969
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Speaker 3: So when i'm I'm very happy to call a friend.

1970
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Speaker 3: At this point, Adam Schefter and asked him it was

1971
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Speaker 3: like the year of the Derren McFadden draft. That sounds

1972
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Speaker 3: so do you think dere m gonna be a good pro?

1973
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Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, I don't know.

1974
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Speaker 4: Before I care, I wish, I wish head coach had

1975
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Speaker 4: been so successful, they've been like, well, Ship, let's do

1976
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Speaker 4: NFL chain gang the.

1977
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Speaker 1: Whole Madden game where you just move the chains.

1978
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Speaker 2: I should just do surp Madden. So it was the

1979
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Speaker 2: more popular one.

1980
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Speaker 1: I have. NFL audio guy, just stand here, whole point,

1981
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Speaker 1: big dish, point the dish. Yeah, NFL truck where you're

1982
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Speaker 1: in the production truck, got hurt. You gotta play the

1983
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Speaker 1: sadwitch switch.

1984
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Speaker 2: Yeah, NFL summer just doing commentary.

1985
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Speaker 1: To communicate with the outside of world.

1986
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Speaker 2: This horrible currents.

1987
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Speaker 1: Damn b I stand by the humor of that.

1988
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Speaker 2: That's that's a good way to close this out. That's

1989
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Speaker 2: a good way, all right, we've been going for gosh,

1990
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Speaker 2: it's been like an hour and a half.

1991
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Speaker 1: I live here now.

1992
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Speaker 2: Bill Barnwell, thank you again for gracing us with your presence,

1993
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Speaker 2: and this will probably be another hit.

1994
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Speaker 1: Listen to the Bill Barnwell Show. Where can people find

1995
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Speaker 1: the Bill Barnwell Show. It's a great question. Yeahsh I

1996
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Speaker 1: knew gabbage is Yeah, you have to. So there is

1997
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Speaker 1: the Bill Barnwell showcase and case behind. Yeah, if you

1998
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Speaker 1: make sure the ones behind it. Yeah, I would sort

1999
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Speaker 1: of looking at your Tiger Direct catalog. Right, that's right.

2000
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Speaker 2: I can find that anywhere. Episodes are shareware.

2001
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Speaker 1: Yes, a real player I believe has been robust in

2002
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Speaker 1: its offerings of the show. You can if you've been

2003
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Speaker 1: doing your work and do your reading the Scholastic catalog

2004
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Speaker 1: number of back episodes.

2005
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Speaker 2: That's right.

2006
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Speaker 4: You will have to solve the copy protection for us.

2007
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Speaker 4: We're talking about copy protection. Physical copy protection was the

2008
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Speaker 4: greatest damn thing in the world.

2009
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Speaker 3: Like read We're thirteen from the fourth paragraph on page

2010
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Speaker 3: twelve of this man. How many people are selling Where

2011
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Speaker 3: in time is Carmen san Good lord?

2012
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Speaker 1: All right, google the Bill Barnwell Show.

2013
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Speaker 2: You'll probably available at a weekly reader near you.

2014
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Speaker 1: Yes, the Bill Barnwell Show, Ryan Nanny.

2015
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Speaker 2: What what do you do?

2016
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Speaker 1: I don't even know? It doesn't matter. So you can

2017
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Speaker 1: listen to Shutdown fodcast.

2018
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's please.

2019
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Speaker 1: It's very good and funny and it's on espianation dot

2020
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Speaker 1: com and you should listen to it. Anything else, Ryan,

2021
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Speaker 1: do you want? You want to plug? Anything else? Got

2022
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Speaker 1: a cute daughter? Thanks? Bill's Bill's you have diet Cola?

2023
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Speaker 1: I have a dog?

2024
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Speaker 2: You do have a dog.

2025
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Speaker 1: That's Maggie. Is Maggie good?

2026
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Speaker 3: It's her one year at up diversary the day after

2027
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Speaker 3: we record this. Yeah, she's going to be getting treats

2028
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Speaker 3: proud pop.

2029
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Speaker 1: All right, that's all I got. I got nothing, so

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Speaker 1: all I got to We're good?

2031
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Speaker 2: All right? Well, thank you gang for doing this show.

2032
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