1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, fourteen 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. Hello, 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: and welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm a Nius Williams. 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: The NFL hundred season is upon us, and the game, 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: which kicks off two thousand nineteen. Season celebrates two of 7 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: the NFL's oldest franchises, the Green Bay Packers and the 8 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: Chicagold Bears. So today we have a Packer and a Bear. 9 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: To my right is Aaron Kapman and to my left 10 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: is Charles P. Nut Tilman. And I feel like I 11 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: need to hold onto my water because he's always trying 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: to punch the ball out. So glad to have you 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: guys with this. Uh, this is a lighthearted deal. People 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: here to this. We started out doing this just for 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: legends to hear, but it became so popular that the 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: public likes to hear our stories. So here we go. 17 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: So I want to talk first about the rivalry. Because 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: of the history these two teams have met a hundred 19 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: and ninety nine times, and because of the short distance 20 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: between the two cities. What did the rivalry mean to 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: you as players talk about the intensity on the field, Peanut, 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't think. Okay, first, let me let me let 23 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: me premoce it by it. The intensity was real that 24 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: Monday the week is pack of week. Everyone is excited. 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: Everyone's I wouldn't say on edge, but there's just like, yo, 26 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: if we do anything right, we have to win this game. Um, 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: can you tell me who is everyone? Because I'm assuming 28 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: you're not just talking about the players. Oh no, And 29 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's players as coaches, it spends, it's the owners. 30 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: Mr mccarnski, George George mccannski. You know he's got uh 31 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: you know he's got the tie on. You know, it's 32 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: a shirt. It's you know, someone beating up a packer fan. 33 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's intensive, it's you know, I 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: see you know, No, I've seen shirts where there's a 35 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: wife who's a packer fan and there's a husband who's 36 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: a Bear fan, and it's a house divided on Sunday 37 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: or you know, like they have all kinds of phrases 38 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: and sayings and whatnot. But I mean, it's it's real. 39 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: It's it's in the trenches. It's it's old testament, you know, 40 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, yeah, it's it's it's real. It's real. 41 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: It's just right before the pass over. And um, it's 42 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: not as intense as it was in the nineties or 43 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: excuse me, in the eighties. You know, and you can 44 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: prob what years were you playing. So I've played from 45 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: two thousand to two thousand nine with the Packers, and 46 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: I would say as well, and hearing about this, the 47 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: rivalry was intense, um, but not get mad at me. 48 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: But we got the better at most of those matchups, 49 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: so that there was a sense of like it was 50 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: a rivalry. But from from the standpoint when I played, um, 51 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: we had had some we I went back and looked 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: we were ten and six over that time period in 53 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: those eight years, and so for us it was still 54 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: a rivalry for sure. Because the Packer fans, if you 55 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: say the bear still what they say, get mad at me? 56 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: They shall suck? Is that not? You've probably have shown 57 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: the most peaceable trash talking that I've ever heard. Man, 58 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: you apologize tund there. I would say this. I would 59 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: say this, y'all. One when Lovey Smith got fired, that's 60 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: that's that's that's my after the love era was going, Yeah, 61 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: y'all whipped our tails because we heard that up up 62 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: with us, we heard that loves main. In fact, he 63 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: said in his press conference, there's number one priority, right 64 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: if I remember right, if you never serves me correct, 65 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: was to beat the Packers. So he was shooting. He 66 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: was shots fired at the first the first day of 67 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: his press conference. Yeah, I think at some level someone 68 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: must have keyed him in, because you do look at 69 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: the history of this vy. It's so significant. I mean, 70 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: and I heard one guy who was a VP with 71 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: the the NFL. He said, when the Packers and the 72 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: Bears are doing well, the NFL is doing well. Wow, 73 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: just just because of the history and the tradition and 74 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: the sense of the NFL. You know, it's the Packers 75 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: and the Bears. It's Alice Smbardi, it's it's all this 76 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: big time house they built. That's right. Well, looking at 77 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: how many games the history and how many games they played, 78 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: the Bears games, and the Packers will pass that modelstone 79 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: in this season. Eron, how was the sense of the 80 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: team's history passed down to us players. There's one thing 81 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: to have the in a rivalry, but what was the 82 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: richness of I've got a great story with that. UM. 83 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: I was a rookie in two thousand and two. The 84 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator was Ed Donato, and Ed was a wonderful 85 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: man and wonderful coach. He's still in the league with 86 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: I think Denver now UM. But Ed and I developed 87 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: a neat relationship. Fuzzy Thurston was still alive at this time, 88 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, Fuzzy. Fuzzy was one of the guards from 89 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: the Ice Jerry Kramer and Fuzzy Thurston. Fuzzy Thurston and 90 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: so Ed took me. Fuzzy had a bar, had an establishment, 91 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: I should say, in Green Bay, place to get some 92 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: food and we call them bars. To call him establishment, 93 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: I was trying to be for our listeners here. They 94 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: may have younger years. It was. It was a place 95 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: to get some food inhisticated. Now they're always coming back. 96 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, he took me in. Fuzzy just and he 97 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: had to He had a thrown issue, so he had 98 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: to tunk kind of like that. He just spent some 99 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: time with me explaining about the tradition of being a 100 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: Green May packer, and uh, it was really significant as 101 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: a as a rookie and I really appreciated and taking 102 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: the time you have to do that. It was early 103 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: on my career to find out a little bit about 104 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, all of the some of the ins and out. 105 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: So I don't remember all the stories. What I remembers 106 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: a feeling, a feeling of pride that I was part 107 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: of a pretty neat organization, you know. Charles, being still 108 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: in Chicago, are you able to connect with the current 109 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: guys and help them understand the sense and a couple 110 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: of them, a couple of them. Yeah, I think for 111 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: me the sense of urgency and the significance of Bears Packers. Uh, 112 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: same my rookie year. Uh, except they I didn't have 113 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: a former religion, come tell us we had through the 114 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: player development. They basically just give you a rich history 115 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: of what Chicago is, what the Bears are, who short, 116 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: who George hallis is, who came before you, what the 117 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: Bears are all about. And then Packers. This game has 118 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: gone on for X amount of years on these two 119 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: dates every year we play them there, they come here, 120 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: this is the most important game of our season, and 121 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: we have to beat this team. And they talk about 122 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: the owners and the rivalry and just I mean, you 123 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: you see videos like we'll watch a highlight tape the 124 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: night before and it's from stuff in the eighties, and 125 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: then when you know, Jim McMahon's running and the guy 126 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: picks him up and Ebody slams them and you're just like, man, 127 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: it's okay, this is intense. So my first game, I 128 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: thought that's what it was. It was the opening night 129 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: of the new stadium after they rehab whatever two thousand three. Yeah, 130 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: because the year before we went the only we played 131 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: in Champagne actually two thousand two. That was the one 132 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: time we didn't play. Did you feel that anyway, quick? Yeah? 133 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: And it just that was I mean, so I was like, man, 134 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: I was okay, the opening of our new stadium, the 135 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: atmosphere of the intensity, the excitement, the adrenaline, Monday night football. 136 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: And we lost and it was to Green Bay, and 137 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, man, okay, well that's that sucks. 138 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: Let's let's we gotta recoop this thing. We gotta get 139 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: this thing going, man, because the rivalry and I've never 140 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: been a part of a rivalry so big. Then the 141 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: embarrass Packers and it's it's it's a good thing to 142 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: be associated with about the fans that week, you guys 143 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: are playing each other, all the fans in the community 144 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: grows its difference. Oh yeah, grocery store. You know, hey, 145 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: you gotta kick their eat, you know. And he was like, man, 146 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: that's a little old man. We just came from church. 147 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: The fans are on edge. I mean they're they're what 148 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: they are turned all the way up, like one hundred 149 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: all the way old, young black, white, port whatever. If 150 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: you a Bear fan and this Packer week, Oh, they 151 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: hate the Packers. Like when I say hate, I mean 152 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: hate the Packers, Like the Packer fan did something today, mama, 153 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: Like they can't stand him. And you hear some of 154 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: these stories and you're like, I don't necessarily hate Aaron 155 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: Rodgers or or Donald Driver, Like you know, we're gonna compete, 156 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: but I really don't want nothing bad to happen to him. 157 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: So for my generation, I think it's different than how 158 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: they played in the eighties because we weren't cheap shot 159 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: and we weren't body slamming guys after a player too. 160 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: I might say something to Aaron he's asking about my 161 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: wife and my kids. And then when it's between the 162 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: whistles or we're going back and forth and then the 163 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: whistle blows TV Tom out whatever. Can you throw me 164 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: a pig? Please? Like, I'll make a joke. Please. I 165 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: need a pick right now. Man, I'm trying to go 166 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl. If you throw me a pick, 167 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm for sure going to the Pro Bowl. So throw 168 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: me one. And we're just you know, we're just just 169 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: cracking jokes, just having a somewhat of a good time 170 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: for thirty segments in between the whistles. I don't know 171 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: what was your Yeah, I mean I would say the 172 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: same thing. I don't know if I'd go as strong 173 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: as saying because hate, but there was definitely a sense of, hey, 174 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: this is a big week. It would be bear down. 175 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: That was the that was the That's when people would 176 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: say to us as fans, that's down. You know. I 177 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: don't know what that means totally, but I knew it 178 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: was a big deal to the Packer fans. So it 179 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: was good to see pulling up to the stadium. Pulling 180 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: up to Green Bay, you would see all the all 181 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: the vehicles, all the Bear vehicles and ambulances, the school, 182 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: the custom school buses, and then everyone's eating burgers and Bronts, 183 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: drinking a beer and it's negative tent out and you're 184 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: just like, man, it's too cool to be drinking beer. 185 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: I need I need some coffee, cheese, kurds, kurds. The 186 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: Packer Stadium is so unique, right, all of a sudden, 187 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: you're driving in the neighborhood and next thing you know 188 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: the stadium up here, and right this is like in 189 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: the backup people houses. It's crazy. It's got good rich history. 190 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: Thing I don't like about the stadium is the and 191 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: I've never obviously I've never sat there as a fan, 192 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: but my wife would complain about the bench seating because 193 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: you might get you might I'm not calling you fat, 194 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: but you might sit next to someone who's a little 195 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: large and they're not as small as my wife, and 196 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: their thighs are a little bit thicker than my wive's, 197 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: so you know, her her seat is like real small. 198 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: But the person with the big dighes, they got big legs, 199 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: so they sit a little wider. And so she would 200 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: always complain about just like, I want to go to 201 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: the game, but man, I just know for three hours, 202 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: I hope I sit next to someone skinny, because it 203 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: just has a little, a little number that you sit 204 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: on but people don't really sit on the number. They 205 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: just kind of you know, we've we've changed that now 206 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: we should the public better think. Is one thing I 207 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: just learned recently last week when I was on that 208 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: tour um. You know the profit motive for the packer. 209 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: You know, when they have an actual owner, the owner 210 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: gets to decide how much to invest back into the organization. Right, 211 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: it's his money, her money. The packers don't have that motivation. 212 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: So whatever we earn our our our president and CEO 213 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: gets a salary, right, so he doesn't. Basically, so Martin 214 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: Murphy's not the owner, he acts like an owner, right 215 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: the next decisions and executive board, but they plow that 216 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: back into the basically in the lambeau Field and the organization. 217 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the things that makes green 218 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: Bay Again unique. Then then the other thirty one teams 219 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: is because you know, we we got pretty much what 220 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: we wanted and now it's a huge responsibility. So it 221 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: doesn't become a country club. But I tell you there 222 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: was no no, there's no expense that was spared for 223 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: the most part, because it was always plowing back into 224 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: the business, the organization. How do we make it better. 225 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: How do we make it, you know, because it's it's 226 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: almost the way of life for the people Wisconsin. You know, 227 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: in training, in training camp, there's there's families that take 228 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: their family, their family vacation to our training camps. That's 229 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: the same as well, oh yeah, we go to bourbon 230 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: A and I remember my first year, first two years, whatever, 231 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: and I remember this woman waiting in line, and you know, 232 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: we're dripping wet. It's a hundred degrees out and all 233 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: I want to do is get in the shower, go 234 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: getting this cult up because I'm I'm so hot. And 235 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: then you sign autographs and it's like wall wait, you know, 236 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: let's sign a couple autographs. These people have been setting 237 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: out here waiting their sweating to whatever. I'll sign a 238 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: couple and then you get the one autograph and you know, 239 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, thank you so much. You know, 240 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: we live so and so away, we can't come to game, 241 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: so this is our family vacation. We drove seven hours, 242 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: ten hours whatever. And I'm thinking to myself, like to 243 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: come see us, like I've would have wanted to go 244 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: to like a disney World or Disneyland or something like that. Yeah, yeah, 245 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: and when I retired, no, I got injured. I told 246 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: my um my tricepts tended in two thousand thirteen. And 247 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: I remember something. I was like, you know, I've never 248 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: been tailgating before. So I remember I got to the 249 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: stadium early. I put my my, my, my suit on her, 250 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: my my, my, my warm up one, and I walked 251 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: out and put a hood on, very incognito sunglasses, and 252 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: my buddy of mim was tailgating. I went and I 253 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: hung out with him, and I got a chance to 254 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: see what the fans do and that experience. And I 255 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: was already a tenure vet, but to see the prep 256 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: in the the amount of work that these people, these fans, 257 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: not just bear fan, but just I'm talking about just 258 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: NFL fans in general, like that it's a it's not 259 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: just a Sunday. It's a way of life, you know. 260 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: You know, like that's not okay, Well we lost the game, 261 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: let's get the next one. Like no, Like it's it's 262 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: a it lingers. You know. I've heard so many stories 263 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: of you know, do an appearance and I'll sign auto 264 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: graphs and it'll be a seat from like regular or 265 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: when it's just something a piece of Chicago history that's 266 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: very old, older than me, and they'll give you a 267 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: quick thirty second staries like yeah, man, my first game, 268 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: I went to the Bears, so and so back when 269 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: it was at Wrigley Field, and you know, we saw 270 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: the Kansas comment and he ran back four touchdowns and 271 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: we saw and I'm like, man, it's like, yeah, that 272 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: was my first game. We've been season ticket holder since 273 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: nineteen forty two, and they just I don't know, it's 274 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: it's it's a beautiful thing, man, to to be on 275 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: a team, whether it be Green Bay or Chicago that 276 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: has so much history and the fans, and it truly is. 277 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: It's a way of life. It's it's what you do. 278 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: It's Bears three d and sixty five days a year. 279 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: And I'm sure it's the same way in Green Bay 280 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: because there is no other teams. And I think one 281 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: of the things that makes both organizations unique is the 282 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: generational nature of the fans because there was success that 283 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: happened at an early time. So Grandpa and Grandma saw 284 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: when the Packers and the Bears were a big deal. 285 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: So guess what that went to mom and dad. So 286 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: that went to you know, Johnny and Susie as well. 287 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: And so you know, having played for an expansion team 288 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: at the end of my career, that that that in Jacksonville, 289 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: that wasn't quite the same, right, So you just see 290 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: the difference. Yeah, you could just see the difference of 291 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: what generational fans who had success at an early time, 292 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: how that actually translates and creates this. I mean, we 293 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: would literally, I kid you not, we would go to games, 294 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: away games where teams that were struggling a little bit, 295 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: and it was almost a home crowd for us, their chance, 296 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: go pack go, and it was like that. It was 297 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: like that when you got We played you guys in 298 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: Carolina in two thousand. I remember looking at stands like 299 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: a lot of days Green Bay parkis in here. It 300 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: was always fun. You just hit a dagger in me. 301 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: You know what you talked about all the history all 302 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: you want. Man, I don't like hearing that go Pack, 303 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: go go. I would see that one night and make 304 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: we feel good. Now that's great, man. We played Monday night. Man, 305 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: they scored some points. All I can hear. When I 306 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: got home, open my refrigerator. I heard it, go pack, 307 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I said, I had to closed my refrigerator. Man, that 308 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: song is just like entrenched in my mind. It's a great, 309 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: great experience. Lambeau Field is, in my opinion, one of 310 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: the most from a football standpoint, one of the most sacred, 311 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: enjoyable college like great experience. Let's pivot. I want to 312 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: pivot to the league history. Now, what moments from the 313 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: first ninety nine NFL season stand out to you as 314 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: someone who loves football, key moments. Maybe you participated in 315 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: our moments of your franchise history. I say, for me, 316 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: the Arizona game two thousand six. We go to Arizona. 317 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: I believe we're at five and oh six and oh 318 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: we were down twenty points halftime. So take a long 319 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: story short. Devin Hester brunt earlier got about ninety tackles, 320 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: stripped the ball, I recovered it and ran it back 321 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: end zone touchdown. Mike Brown ran one back. Mike Mark Anderson, 322 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: he had a couple of sacks. Stephen Hester he ran 323 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: one back. That's the famous Dinnis screen. They were who 324 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: we thought they were at the end, and um, yeah, man, 325 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: I was just that was who we thought they were. 326 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: Ye h hook and we let him off the hook. Yeah. 327 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: When Reggie White came to Green Bay. No, No, I 328 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: did not. It was pre me. I was two thousand too. 329 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: But from a free agency standpoint and his ability to 330 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: then from a title town standpoint, they won a Super 331 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: Bowl and nineties six because of it, you know, lost 332 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: ninety seven. But him coming to Green Bay, him being 333 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: instrumental in part of the free agency. I mean, when 334 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: you think about what that's done for the league and 335 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: for the game, that's one that sticks in my mind 336 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 1: that's linked to both our league history as well as 337 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packer history. Aaron, how you stay engaged with 338 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: the game today? Well, I think the Packers do a 339 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: great job and trying to have us back as alumni, 340 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: um as legends. Um So they'll and they've they've gotten 341 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: better with that over the years. Uh So that's one way. 342 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: And then from a league wide standpoint, I do confess 343 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: that I'm not as as up on it as I 344 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: used to be, but I'll still check NFL dot Com, 345 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, when I can, and if there's something going 346 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: on or this that or I know, you know, I 347 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: watch football when I can. I coach high school football. 348 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 1: Well so usually on Sunday we're having meetings when all 349 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: the games are going on. But uh, but I do 350 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: like to just kind of keep up with who's who 351 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: and what's what. Yeah, yeah, Charles. Why why do you 352 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: think it's important or even a need for legends to 353 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: stay engaged with the game, stay connected. I think it 354 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: helps the legends themselves. Since I've been out, the one 355 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: thing that I missed the most was my locker room. 356 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: You can't and replace it. You can't replicate it, you 357 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 1: can't duplicate it. And for me, it kind of just 358 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: gives me like, oh man, I'm around like minded people 359 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: who get me. We're Type eight personalities. And for a 360 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: thirty minute podcast or to be around other other legends 361 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: for a day, I'm good. I got my fixed, you know, 362 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: and I like being around other legends. I was telling 363 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: my wife upstairs. I was like, Bab, I just had 364 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: lunch with Jim Brown. Like she was like, oh wow. 365 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, bad, Bab, you understand. You 366 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: don't understand. I told my wife. She's like I was 367 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: with Jim Brown, Like, I get excited when I get 368 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: around these gold jackets. I get. I saw Jackie Slayers, 369 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: Jackie Slater knew my name, and I'm like, are you serious? 370 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: Just Jackie Slayer do you gold jacket? Yea For me, 371 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: I enjoyed being around other legends because they get me. 372 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: I get them, were like minded and yeah, it's just 373 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: it's just cool to be wrong because I'm a fan 374 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: of It's big man. I want to thank you guys 375 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: for joining us today. This has been fantastic. 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