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Goodbye, friend, keep the faith. 20 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: We see it every day on the television. We read 21 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: about it in all the headlines, the numbers of coronavirus 22 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: victims and mounting. But what about the victims that we 23 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: never hear about, the victims that are dying behind closed doors, 24 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: the ms that truly cannot be heard, that do not 25 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: have a voice. I'm talking about child abuse victims during coronavirus, 26 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: a lockdown and quarantine. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I 27 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. These cases I am 28 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: bringing to you. I want you to brace yourself are 29 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: some of the worst I have heard of at a 30 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: time so difficult for all of our country, Our children 31 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: are suffering. Take a listen to WCTV CBS eleven needs 32 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones. Police were called to Lear's home Sunday night 33 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: after getting a tip that a child was being kept 34 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: in the shed behind her house. They say she initially 35 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: claimed her six year old grandson was with his mother, 36 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: but when police ordered her to open the shed, they 37 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: found him inside with his hands tied behind his back. 38 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: According to our source, the grandmother claimed it was the 39 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: first time she left him in the shed. Her boyfriend 40 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: said it had been happening for at least two weeks. 41 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: The boy told investigator he's been made to sleep in 42 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: the shed for as long as school has been out. 43 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: A six year old boy found a lot in a 44 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: shed with his hands tied behind him, and the grandmother's 45 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: excuse is it's the first time that happened. Other neighbors 46 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: and witnesses say, oh, no, no, no, this is not 47 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: the first time this has happened. Take a listen now 48 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: to our friends. Andrea LUCIABCTVCBS. Shock outraged just some of 49 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: the community reaction after a six year old boy was 50 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: rescued from a padlocked shed in Dallas over the weekend. 51 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: Today we're learning more. Kiddo Sunday night heard the voice 52 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: of his landlord's six year old grandson. He traced it 53 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: to this shed behind his trailer. He's the one who 54 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: made the call to Child Protective Services. He collected evidence too. No, 55 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: this is the conversation he recorded with the boy still 56 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: locked in the shed. Dallas police soon arrived. They say 57 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: they found the boy standing in the pitch dark shed 58 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: with rats and insects, his hands tied behind his back 59 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: with shoelaces. They arrested the boy's grandmother, esme Al Dalida, 60 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: and her boyfriend Jose balleras their only explanation and accusation. 61 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: The boy stole food right there, right there in a 62 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: metropolitan area in Texas. Joining me an all star panel 63 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again. 64 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, court TV anchor at Ashley 65 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: Wilcot dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold, renounced psychiatrist, joining us 66 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: from the Atlanta area. Cloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle 67 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: PD twenty two and homicide and author of Seattle's Forgotten 68 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: serial Killer. Gary Jane Grant at Kloyd Siger dot com. 69 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author 70 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. But right now 71 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: Jacromoline dot com investigative reporter Nicole Parton. Nicole, as a 72 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 1: mother of I think four, this has got to outraise 73 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: you to no end. I mean a little six year 74 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: old child. You know how small and frail A six 75 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: year old child is lot in a shed day and night, 76 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: hands tied behind him for weeks. On end, Nicole, what happened? 77 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: I do, Nancy, and this really hits home. I have 78 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: a six year old child, and as I was reading 79 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: over this story, it hit me to the core. Here 80 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: is this helpless six year old little boy found inside 81 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: this nasty rat infested shed, piled high with junk from 82 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: floor to ceiling. Police found him standing in a blue 83 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: rubber made container, hands tied behind his back with shoelaces, 84 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: ligature marks on his hands, so scared, so hungry, a 85 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: plastic bag beside him that he was supposed to use 86 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom in He had been there 87 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: for two weeks at least. And then as some sort 88 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: of defense, they say he tried to steal food. Why 89 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: does he have to steal food? To start with? Why 90 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: does he believe he a six year old little child 91 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: has to steal food? And then the punishment for stealing 92 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: food is they lock him with a padlock and a 93 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: shed with his hands tied behind him, ligature marks on 94 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: his little hands, his where he's trying to get free 95 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: but he can't. And he's in there with a plastic 96 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: bag with his hands behind his back to try to 97 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: t t and poop in a plastic bag with rits 98 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: insects in the dark. Jessica Morgan, how can I prove 99 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: this case? Give me everything you would look for? In 100 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: that shed to help me get felony child abuse on. 101 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: Not only does grandmother but her boyfriend too. It's I'll 102 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: tell you what. The evidence is going to begin with 103 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: this little boy's body, and I hope that the child 104 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: welfare people have taken really good photographs. This child's going 105 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: to have multiple injuries that are going to extend back 106 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: in time. That means that they will be evidence of 107 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: injuries where they're healing, and then you've got new ones. 108 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: And told just mentioned just a second ago, not only 109 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: were his hands bound behind his back with shoelaces, but 110 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: he also had literature marks on his hands as well. 111 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: That means that these bindings have been readjusted, probably multiple times. 112 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: Another major thing here is going to be probably malnourishment. 113 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: This child is supposed to fit within your mama, You 114 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: know that children are supposed to fit within a certain 115 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: range at six years of age. My suspicion is he's 116 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: going to be greatly diminished. His body will have begun 117 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: to literally digest itself all the fat stores and everything else. 118 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: Dehydration is going to kick in, and then on top 119 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: of that, all the injuries that he may have sustained 120 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: as a result of being around this vermin. You've got 121 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: rats in there, and you've got bugs. People don't realize this. 122 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: I've covered just tons and tons of child abuse cases. 123 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: Did you know that cockroaches actually bite people? They bite children. 124 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: This happens repeatedly, over and over and again. So he 125 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: will probably have insect bites Oliver's body and these will 126 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: be in various stages of healing. So this is going 127 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: to go to time. And as you know as prosecutor, 128 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: time is a big deal because you can show how 129 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: long this has been going on. You know, I just 130 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: got Morgan. I'm sure you remember the first I do 131 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: the first time you ever heard of a blowfly? Yes, 132 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: and what that is is a state, a stage of 133 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: a macot. I think and determine depending on the stage 134 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: of development of that insect. Medical examiners, scientists, etymologists, forensic etymologists, yes, 135 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: there are forensic etymologists can determine how long a body 136 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: has been where it is. Agree or disagree, Joe Scott, Yes, 137 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: I agree. I had heard of it, but I had 138 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: to examine it and research it in depth. With the 139 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: death of a little girl named Danielle murdered by her neighbor, Westmoreland, 140 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: and what you're saying based on the bites on this 141 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: child's body, and the healing stage of the bites can 142 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: also tell us how long the child had been there. 143 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: To doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining me from the 144 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, I'm so glad that all of you are here, 145 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: but I need to shrink right now, because how could 146 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: an adult sit down to dinner while they know a 147 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: six year old child is out in a shed, tied up, 148 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: unable to eat, having to urinate and defecate on themselves, 149 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: with roaches and no food and bug bites and rats 150 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: in the ship. How do you do that? What do 151 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: you call that? Compartmentalization? Yes? Yes, First of all, to 152 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: be able to be so mean, you would have to 153 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: compartmentalize that to some to some extent, wouldn't you guess? 154 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: That's why? And we're you know, Nancy. The thing that 155 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: bothers me about this is that it takes so much 156 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: to be a parent. It takes so much to be 157 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: a good parent to children, doesn't it. And we all 158 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: we all know that those of us that are good 159 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: parents know that it takes. It takes some smarts too, 160 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: and I hate to say this, but oftentimes we're dealing 161 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: with people who are not very well educated. No no, 162 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: la la la la la la la. Okay, I don't believe. 163 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm doing this to doctor Angela Arnold, 164 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: who I adore and actually learn something from. But you're 165 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: gonna have to go her mind right now, Jackie. No, no, 166 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: don't start with me about they may be an educated. One, 167 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: we don't know that. And number two, you don't have 168 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: to have a PhD. To know not to lock a 169 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: six year old in a shed and tie them up 170 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: with ligatures, leave them out there for at least two 171 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: weeks straight with rats and cockroaches. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 172 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about a little boy who has been tied 173 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: up in a shed, starving, defecating, urinating on himself, hands 174 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: tied behind his back, and according to what we're learning, 175 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: the child had been out there ever since school was 176 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: let out because the coronavirus. Take a listen to our 177 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: friends at WCTVCBS. Doug Dunbar Shock outraged just some of 178 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: the community reaction after a six year old boy was 179 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: rescued from a padlocked shed in Dallas over the weekend. 180 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: Today we're learning more about the nightmarish conditions. According to 181 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: court documents, the child was often left tied up with 182 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: shoelaces and left in that darkned shed with no food, 183 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: no water. He was given a bag, apparently to use 184 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: as a restroom. The shed is said to also be 185 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: infested with rats and insects. The boy's grandmother and her 186 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: boyfriend are now jailed on felony child in dangerment charges. Meanwhile, 187 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: local advocates are urging the community to put their outrage 188 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: to work. Just keep your eye on you know, if 189 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: you're at the grocery store, or if you're walking your 190 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: neighborhood and you see something suspicious. There's something that makes 191 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: your gut just not feel well. Thank a report. Two 192 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: other children, by the way, we're also removed from that home. 193 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: They have been placed in CPS custody. Yeah, I want 194 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: to go straight to cut THREEBCTBCBS eleven if you could 195 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: play that place. A man and woman are in jail 196 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: after a six year old boy was found in a 197 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: shed in Dallas with his hands tied behind his back. 198 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: Police first with the boy's grandmother at the home on 199 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: Constant Drive around A six year old was with his mother, 200 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: but a man living in the back of the property 201 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: pointed towards the shed where the boy was found. The 202 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: grandmother said he was only there that one time his punishment, 203 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: but her boyfriend said for at least two weeks the 204 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: boy had been punished by being confined to the shed 205 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: for stealing food. The six year old told officers it 206 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: all started when he quote got out of school for 207 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: this Corona thing. I just let it in my head 208 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: imagining the twins out in a shed like that. Guys, 209 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: here's another question what I don't get to you, Ashley 210 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: Wilcott Judge Twallawyer, Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot 211 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: com Ashley, why aren't we stacking them with charges such 212 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: as lying to police? The grandmother lied to police when 213 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: they first got there, saying lying about where he was, 214 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: and we saw in cult mom Laurie Vallo a charge 215 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: against her that's worth about twelve fourteen months behind bars 216 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: for a line to police about the whereabouts of her children. 217 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: Why is this one not charged and how long can 218 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: they face ps? It's just a little pit stop on 219 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: their way to hell. We all know that. But if 220 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: you can answer that for me ask you, why aren't 221 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: we stacking up charges against these two devils. I've got 222 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: so much to say on this, Nancy. When I'm on 223 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: the bench, I see cases like this on a regular 224 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: basis because I'm in juvenile court. What I also see, 225 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: in my opinion, is that those who perpetrate these heinous 226 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: crimes against children are not prosecuted to the full extent. 227 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: What do I mean by that? They often face charges 228 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: like child endangerment, but they don't often face all of 229 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: the other charges that could go with it. Just like 230 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: you're saying, interfering with a law enforcement investigation by line 231 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: to law enforcement. I don't know the answer to that. 232 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: What I do know is it's not enough to prosecute 233 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: for one charge of child endangerment, for instance, because you 234 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: may face as you as two years two years, Nancy, 235 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: and then get out on probation. That's nothing, nothing, because 236 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: especially now with coronavirus, I don't know that they would 237 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: ever do jail time at all for what they did 238 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: to this child. And catch this, Just to top it 239 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: all off, Cloyd Steiger actually is absolutely correct and everything 240 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: she just said, catch this though the guy it wasn't 241 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: the boyfriend grandma's boyfriend that called police. It was a neighbor, 242 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: one Vocarro. And now guess what, Cloyd, You just heard 243 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: that reporter saying if you see something, say something. Yeah. Right, 244 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: people are now struggling to stay ten feet apart. They're 245 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: covered in face masks. Nobody's gonna say anything. We already 246 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: know that. But this neighborhood, this neighbor one Vocarro calls 247 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: police and now he's gonna have to move out. He's 248 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: getting kicked out of his apartment because these people were 249 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: his landlords. How's that for justice, Cloyd Steiger, Yeah, it's 250 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: pretty outrageous. And you know, one of the things that 251 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: actually Wilcox said about the charges, I mean, you can 252 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: charge a kidnap in this because he was restrained in 253 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: that shed for a long period of time, maybe torture, 254 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: charges of some sort of serious assault. But this is 255 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: an outrageous thing that unfortunately happens way too often. This 256 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: one you heard about because they got caught, But it 257 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: happens way too often because they got caught. And now, 258 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: with people hiding out from coronavirus, who's going to raise 259 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: the alarm when people say if you see something, say something, Yeah, 260 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: that's true, but nobody's doing it much less now. And 261 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: this guy, the Caro that does speak out is now 262 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: kicked out of his apartment. Guys, I want to switch 263 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: gears to a Florida case. Take a listen to our 264 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: friend at Santa Rosa County Sheriff's offer US Office, Bob Johnson. 265 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: She kept him at home. She cut him on the arms, 266 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: the head, made him sleep on a concrete floor, a 267 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: dirty floor, and when she bade them, she would make 268 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: him get naked, get out in the front yard and 269 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: she'd spray him off with a host She did everything 270 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: to include punching him, beating him with a dog chain, 271 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: and going as far as chipping his teeth with pliers, 272 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: which you know, I'm not making this up. I mean, 273 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: it's just it's incredible what people can do to other people. 274 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: It really is. It's so disturbing. So Detective Denny, with 275 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: Major Crimes, got it hit the ground running two days 276 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: later put her in jail on one charge of aggravated 277 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: child abuse, which is a first degree felony, but more 278 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: are coming. He has gone so far as to interview 279 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: other kids she adopted that grew up and left the home, 280 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: and they're talking about similar abuse. So this is not 281 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: just one case. This is several kids. And of course 282 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: DCF has custody of all four kids now, and hopefully 283 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: you know I don't even know what to say. I 284 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: don't know how you fix something like that with a 285 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: child after you do something so horrendous to them. Okay, 286 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold Announcesikiasha's joining me out of Atlanta. I'd 287 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: like to kiss and makeup, but you're here by satellite, 288 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: so I can't quite reach you. But I'd like you 289 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 1: to jump in on this because guess what, Doctor Angela, 290 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: This woman, Patricia Hiler arrested for beating her adopted son 291 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sure others chipping his teeth. I hope if 292 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: you're not sitting down, you may want to lay down, 293 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela, because she worked at a church daycare center 294 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: as a teacher. Talk about doctor Jekyl and mister Hyde. 295 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: Way in, doctor Angela helped me out. Well, it's she 296 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: was hiding behind. She was hiding behind that, wasn't she 297 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: How do these people get to adopt children? I don't 298 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: understand it. I thought it was hard to adopt children. 299 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: So she's hiding behind us and in the meantime she's 300 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: working as a daycare worker. But she could be doing 301 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: that because she actually hates children. Oh can you even imagine, 302 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, how I would freak out, as with you, 303 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: if you find out your child has been at the 304 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: church daycare which mine went to Jackie Howard for years, 305 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: at our our Methodist church. We go to long story short, 306 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: you find out that she's a child abuser. And of 307 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: this magnitude, Ashley, listen, it happens, Nancy. This is not 308 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: the only case of this I know. And here's better, 309 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott. No, no, because you think you do whatever 310 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: parents should I know, but you do what every parents 311 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: should do, Nancy. You research, you visit, you drop by, 312 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: You do surprise visits wherever your children are to make 313 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: certain that they're not with an abuse washing him in 314 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: the front yard with a hose as he stood naked 315 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: and just uh Nicole Parton Crime Online dot Com investigator 316 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: reporter what happened Nancy? Another horrific. I mean the details 317 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: of just blow me away. And as an adoptive mom 318 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: who fought like h doublel to adopt, I can't imagine 319 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: a mother doing this to a child fourteen years old, 320 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: she'd pull him out of school because she knew she 321 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: was going to get caught, cutting him with a kitchen 322 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: knife on the upper arms, on his legs, on his 323 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: o or so cutting them on the back of the head, 324 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: jabbing a kitchen knife into his head to the point 325 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: that it stuck in his skull and she pulled it out, 326 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: whipping him with a metal dog chain, and as we heard, 327 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: taking flyers and chipping his teeth, telling him that he 328 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: wasn't loved by his birth mom, telling him that she 329 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: didn't love him either, all while she was abusing him, 330 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: and telling the siblings in the house, I treat him 331 00:21:48,800 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: this way because I don't like redheads and he's redheaded. 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She 350 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: is a devil's hinch person beating an adopted child, going 351 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: through all the effort to get the child in treating 352 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: in this way. I just can't say rot in hell 353 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: enough for this woman. Take up. It's making me physically 354 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 1: sick to my stomach. And you know the one thing 355 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: I hate the most, Jackie, not the most, but it's 356 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: right up there is the dentist. No offense. Turns out 357 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: my dentist was one of my jury's ones. Think it 358 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: was bank robbery anyway. This child had his teeth chipped 359 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: off with pliers. I want you to take a Listen 360 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: to our friends at sant Rosa County Sheriff's Office. Listen. 361 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm in year thirty eight of law enforcement and I've 362 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: seen a lot of bad things, but this is pretty bad. 363 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: It's a child abuse case, and we received it back 364 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: on the twenty second of April. It was given the 365 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: major crimes on May the sixth, and they made an 366 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: arrest May the eighth. The individual in question, you're going 367 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: to see her picture up here, Patricia Diane Hyler, forty 368 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: seven years old, lived in Chalet Circle Pace. She adopted 369 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: four children and all four were abused, but there was 370 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: one that interesting, and she abused this child pretty severely 371 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: and then took him out of school home schooled him 372 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: for two years because she knew if she sent him 373 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: to school. Obviously, somebody reported, man, how evil. So let 374 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: me ask you this, in your opinion, to you, Ashley Wolcott, 375 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 1: how is coronavirus a pandemic affecting child abuse? Oh gosh, 376 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: it is a horrible, horrible indicator of I don't know, 377 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: that's not the right word, absolutely escting. Yeah. So the US, 378 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: the stresses are higher and people have children home all 379 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: day instead of sending them to school, and so those 380 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: who are likely to abuse are doing it even more, 381 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: or those who may not think that they're going to 382 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: abuse their child are ending up abusing their child. Their 383 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 1: fewer reports because of the schools not being in session, 384 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: because teachers aren't laying eyes on children, because children aren't 385 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: out and about, they're in their house. And so now 386 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: a neighbor may not think anything of the fact they 387 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: never see a child in the neighborhood because all the 388 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: children are supposed to be inside, and so they're inside 389 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: being abused and nobody can report it. So it is 390 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: a very very scary time for children, you know, to 391 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrists joining us, Doctor Angela, I see 392 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: three things. I'm certainly not an MD like you. I'm 393 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: just a JD. But looking at it as a lawyer, 394 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: if I were to try to prove the nexus between 395 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: coronavirus lockdown and escalating skyrocketing child abuse stats, a friend 396 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: of mine at the Batter Women's hotline where I used 397 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: to work says they can't take physically take all the 398 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: calls that are coming in right now, that's how bad 399 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: it is. But those are the people that have access 400 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: to a phone, and that what people to a phone, 401 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: but as it relates to children, actually pointed out one 402 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: one prong the schools are closed. I can't tell you 403 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: how many teachers as school workers have alerted me to 404 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: child abuse, so that layer of protect is gone. Number two, 405 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: there's more time for the abuser to be with the target, 406 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: the victim, the child, because there's eight ten hours they're 407 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: home now that they weren't home before. And three escalating tension. 408 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: I might have worked, I don't have money coming in, 409 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: I can't pay their rent. There's my child. I think 410 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: I'll beat him. Doesn't make any sense. It's like kicking 411 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: the dog when your boss yells at you. That's what's happening. 412 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: Let's add a forenge to those Okay, that you might 413 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: that you may not have thought about. What about people 414 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: who have to go to work, who are who are 415 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: essential let's say healthcare workers, and they have to ask 416 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: someone to watch their children, maybe a boyfriend who doesn't 417 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: have any patience with those children because they're not that 418 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: person's children. What do you make of this target child, 419 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: doctor Angela? Because I first saw this when I was 420 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 1: actually prosecuting a murder kid, the murderer of a brother, 421 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: of an APD homicide. I noticed there's a big family, 422 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 1: I think eight or eleven children, and one girl was 423 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: targeted for child abuse by the dad and many people. Well, 424 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: she told me she thought the mom knew Long story short, 425 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: Why is one child target I don't buy this business 426 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: about she didn't like redheads something else. Why is one 427 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: child often singled out for the heinous abuse? I think 428 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: that they can. I think that they can scare all 429 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: of the other children by the horrific things that they 430 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: are able to keep on one of the children. Now, 431 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: oftentimes they abuse other children in the house. Also, it's 432 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: just not the same extent that they abused the target child. 433 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: But perhaps it allows the other children instead of ganging 434 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: up on them and abusing the abusers, right, it allows 435 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: the other children. Well, maybe they're some sort of hope 436 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: because maybe I'm going to get out of this because 437 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: they abused this one more than they abused me. They're 438 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: all kinds of psychological reasons where there could be a 439 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: target child. But I do agree with you. I don't 440 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: believe it's necessarily because that child is a red hut. 441 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: I do believe that as the abuse continues, Nancy, that 442 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: it becomes easier and easier to heap all of that 443 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: abuse on that poor child that is just becoming. It's 444 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: horrific to leave them out at in a woodshed for 445 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 1: two weeks a time. You know this child actually had 446 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: his teeth cracked with pliers on purpose by this adoptive mom. 447 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: To Nicole parton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, we 448 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: understand that there were other foster children that had aged 449 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: apps find out about this fourteen year old adopted child. 450 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: How did they find out about the abuse? It was 451 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: one of the other children the home who actually contacted 452 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: authorities via text message. I believe began to communicate that 453 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: the abuse was taking place. They were trying to sneak 454 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: food to their brother, trying to get food to him, 455 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: and when she would find food in his mouth, she 456 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: would literally open his mouth up and remove the food 457 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: from him. And I think the other siblings saw it 458 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: to the point that they had to reach out for help. 459 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: They have all since being interrogated in question. They've all said, yes, 460 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: we were all abused, but not to the extent of him. 461 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: The older children who aged out of the home are 462 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: now being interviewed and they too are saying through the 463 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: years we were abused as well. You know what's amazing 464 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: to me, Not only does she work at a child 465 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: at a church daycare. Listen to this. This woman Hyler 466 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: was arrested in charge with just one felony account of 467 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 1: aggravated child abuse in Pace, Florida. That sanat Rosa County. 468 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: That's down on the Panhandle, near Fort Walton and deston 469 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: beautiful sugar White beaches. And this evil is going on there, 470 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: the sheriff says, is one of the worst cases of 471 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: child abuse they have ever seen in thirty eight years. 472 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: Listen to this. The mother of four's most recent place 473 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: of work is teacher at cap Stone Academy for young 474 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: children with disabilities. How much do you think she abused them? 475 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: And they could never say anything because they're disabled, maybe 476 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: some of them autistic, maybe some of them with handicaps 477 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: that make it hard for them to speak or communicate. 478 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: Can you imagine what she has been doing with them? 479 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: Also teacher at local church daycare center as a church secretary. 480 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: Oh man, look at that sad secked face. Oh boo hoo, 481 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: don't look sad at me. Target child chain, leash, chip 482 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: front teeth with pliers and cut him with a knife. 483 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: According to Florida Defects Well once again Department Family and 484 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: Children Late to the same she's looking at right now, 485 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: one count of aggravated child abuse, Nicole Parton. Isn't that 486 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: twenty years max or is it twenty to life in 487 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: that jurisdiction. It's twenty max. And as we said earlier, Yeah, 488 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: as was said earlier. Unfortunately, most of these people never 489 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: serve the time that is deserved. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys, 490 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: we're now switching at gears and crossing the country to 491 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: an Indiana story about a little girl just eight years old. 492 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: Let me hear our Dave matt Crime online dot Com 493 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: investigative reporter and cut fourteen. Cumberland, Indiana police were called 494 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: just after four pm on April the sixth to assist 495 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: an emergency medical crew with an unresponsive eight year old 496 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: girl at the apartment of Kimberly Grows Close Gross Close 497 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: and her boyfriend, Derek Dale, told officers they shortly after 498 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: the girl went to take a bath, they heard a 499 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: thump from the bathroom and found the girl unconscious, slumped 500 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: over the side of the tub. The couple said they 501 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: moved her to a bedroom, where they began CPR. Gross 502 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: Close and Dale told police that the girl had been 503 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: sexually molested outside of the home about a month before, 504 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: although she didn't seem to want to talk about the incident. 505 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: They were afraid the girl may have tried to drown 506 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: herself and she'd spit up water while they were trying 507 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: to resuscitate her. During their investigation, gross Close in Dale 508 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: both admitted that they didn't call nine one one immediately 509 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: after finding the girl unresponsive in the bathtub. Afraid. Did 510 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: I just hear that correctly? Afraid? They didn't do CPRB 511 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: they were afraid she'd spit up water. Did they just 512 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: say that what? They were afraid they were going to 513 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: get water on their bedspread? And how do you say 514 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: with a straight face, your eight year old daughter has 515 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: been sex molested and you'd never call police. I may 516 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: not call police. I would go out and buy a gug. 517 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: Does you know how I feel about guns and take 518 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: care of the molester myself. I know that's wrong. But 519 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: so they didn't even bother to call nine one one? 520 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: Did I get that correct? Nicole? Pardon? That's correct, Nancy. 521 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: They waited at least ten minutes from the time that 522 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: they found her unconscious, saying that they removed her from 523 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: the bathtub to the bedroom, wanted to dress her because 524 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: they're trying to cover up their crime. Dressed her, and 525 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: finally minutes later they called nine guys, take a listen 526 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: now to Dave Mike cut fifteen. In further interviews with police, 527 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: gross Clothes said that she had left for work around 528 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: seven a m. That morning. At some point during the day, 529 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: one of the kids used a green marker to make 530 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: a mess on the bathroom counter, and Dale found an 531 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: empty marker in the girl's closet. Rosko says that she 532 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: confronted the girl about the incident when she arrived home 533 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,959 Speaker 1: around three thirty pm, and that the girl had lied. 534 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: When asked who made the mess, Roscoes explained that she 535 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: is the only one to discipline the children and that 536 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: she uses a belt because quote she has very sensitive hands. 537 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: She also added the kids bruise easily. Medicks transported the 538 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: eight year old girl to an area hospital, where she 539 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: was pronounced dead. Shortly after arrival. A nurse notified police 540 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: that the child had extensive fresh injuries that indicated physical 541 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: and sexual abuse. Also, there was no water in her lungs, 542 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: and her death was determined to be caused by non 543 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: accidental trauma and suffocation. An autopsy revealed the girl had 544 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: severe trauma to her torso, back, buttock's legs, arms, hands, genitals, 545 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: and the back of her neck and head. Looping marks 546 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: on her abdomen led to investigators to believe that she 547 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: may have been beaten with jumper cables. Child also had 548 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: trauma to her face that is consistent with someone holding 549 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: her nose and mouth shut. During a search of the apartment, 550 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: set of jumper cables found in the master bedroom. Ross 551 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: Closest thirty two, charged with the murder of eight year 552 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: old daughter. Also charged with aggravated battery, neglect of a 553 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: dependent resulting in death, and battery resulting in serious bodily injury. 554 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: Her boyfriend, twenty nine year old Derek Dale, charged as 555 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: a codefendant with neglect of a dependent resulting in death. 556 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: Somebody better get charged with sex molestation because I'm not 557 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: going to rest until they are, you know, to Cloyd Steiger, 558 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: thirty six years Seattle, PD, twenty two without homicide, Cloyd, 559 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how you did it. When I defendant 560 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: would say something like you've got a dead eight year 561 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: old child who's been sex molested, beaten with jumper cables, 562 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: and they say the mom says, oh, I had to 563 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: beat her with whatever she said, a whip or jumper 564 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: cables because I, the mom, have sensitive hands and it 565 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: would hurt my hands if I hit her with my 566 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: bare hand. I mean, how do you not just hit 567 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: her right in the face. And I'm against police brutality, 568 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: but to say I have sensitive hands while your daughter 569 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,919 Speaker 1: is lying there dead and you're lying to police about 570 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: the cod that she tried to drown herself because she's 571 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: been sex and listened. Gee, I wonder by who she's 572 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: eight years old? Cloyd? Can you believe this mom said 573 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: I have sensitive hands. Yeah. You know, I've investigated a 574 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: lot of murderous children and people always say, how you 575 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: sit there and listen to it? Well, you know I could. 576 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: I could reach over and punch them and have that 577 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: one second of pleasure. Or I could just let them 578 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: rope up them. Yeah, because once you do punch them, 579 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: that could ruin the case that comes in, case is 580 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: thrown out. Bam, No, no, no, I'd rather them rot 581 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,959 Speaker 1: in prison en route to hell. So I'm just trying 582 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: to figure out. You know, you have extreme self control, 583 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: Cloyd Steiger, extreme you know, as my husband always says, 584 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: when I go, oh, I'll call the case company goes 585 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, no. Let's not let the cable 586 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: company get too close to the flame, Okay, because I 587 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: want to watch me in Summer murders tonight, and if 588 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: you call cable it will be cut off. You know, 589 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about what this child went through to you, 590 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: Jesse Scott Morgan, forensic expert. Did you hear that litany 591 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: of evidence? Yes, yes I did, Nancy. It's a laundry 592 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: list of things that's gone on forever and ever and ever, 593 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: and it's a multitude of things. You don't just have 594 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: a strike, a single strike. You've got all of these 595 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: and they're all over the body, on multiple planes. You've 596 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 1: got these these uh, these injuries on her back, on 597 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: her front, on her sides, her legs, her thighs, her arms, 598 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: all the way up her chest. That looping injuries that 599 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: they're talking about on the abdomen is hold on. Just 600 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: tell you that they have the death penalty that jurisdiction. 601 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: Please Google, Okay, go ahead, please Jesse. The looping injury 602 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: that they have on the abdomen as an indication of 603 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: the jumper cables being used to striker with I've worked 604 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: a number of these cases where water hoses are also 605 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: very popular with abusers, and this is ongoing behavior. This 606 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: is not something that just started. And also the other 607 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 1: troubling part that you had mentioned, there's evidence of sexual 608 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: abuse here. Now we're not going to go into the 609 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: graphic nature of that. I refused to do that on 610 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: the air, but let me tell you something. This will 611 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: be thoroughly documented at autopsy, okay, and they will have 612 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: a plethora of photographs. Yeah, this is going to escalate 613 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,439 Speaker 1: from you know, this kind of vanilla thing that they've 614 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: gotten that they're going on here with the charges, to 615 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: something much more horrible. I'd also be curious to know 616 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: if this child had been photographed by these two people, 617 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 1: if there was filming going on. You've got two people 618 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: that don't have the same last name, that they're adults 619 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: in charge in the house. It always raises a red 620 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: flag with me anytime I see this sort of thing, 621 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: because I think that the child pleasure and so this 622 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 1: is going to escalate even further if the cops apply 623 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: the pressure of this and do what they need to 624 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: do to really do a deep dig on this. You know, 625 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: I'm getting conflicting reports to whether this little child, this 626 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: eight year old little girl died from blunt force trauma 627 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: or asphyxiation. I'm getting two conflicting reports. What do you know, 628 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: just cop Well, I got to tell you they talked 629 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: about an indication that her mouth had been held shut. 630 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 1: And if folks will at home, and you're aware of this, Nancy, 631 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: but if folks at home between the gum and the 632 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: lip will feel that little piece of tissue that's up there, 633 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: it's called a fremulum. You have them on the lower 634 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: and the upper gums. This gives us an indication that 635 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: this has been ripped. The individuals have had a pre 636 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: sure applied to this area and it rips away over 637 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: a period of time, and this is being documented. They've 638 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: done their job here. The child has been struck in 639 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: the head multiple times. I'm thinking that they're probably looking 640 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: for PATIKII in this case. They're saying that she was 641 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: essentially suffocated as opposed to like a literature strangulation. They 642 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,760 Speaker 1: may very well have put a bag over this child's head. Nancy, 643 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: I don't understand this to Nicole partner, is it true 644 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 1: that they live in is not charged with murder? That's correct, Nancy, 645 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: because the mother admitted to authorities, finally saying that she 646 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: was the only one who physically struck the child. I 647 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 1: expect that's all going to change after grand jury. Do 648 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: they have a death penalty? Okay, they've got the death penalty. 649 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: We'll see if they use it. You know, if you're 650 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: gonna have it, don't start arguing with me about whether 651 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,479 Speaker 1: we're going to have it or not. If we are 652 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: going to have it, this lady is the perfect candidate. 653 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: An eight year old girl dead and the hands of 654 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 1: this evil mother. Is it because the child is home 655 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: due to coronavirus escalating the violence in the home. We 656 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off 657 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,