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Speaker 1: Previously on Happy Face.

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Speaker 2: Don Finley is the son of Julie Winniham, my father's

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Speaker 2: last victim. I had heard that he wanted to do

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Speaker 2: the things that my dad did to his mom to me.

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Speaker 2: I want him to know how sorry I am for

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Speaker 2: what my father did.

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Speaker 3: I think he's behind me.

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Speaker 4: He looks, he looks tense.

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Speaker 5: She walks up to down and without saying anything, he

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Speaker 5: opens up his arms and they embrace.

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Speaker 6: She was a kind hearted, good soul, and he broke

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Speaker 6: every rule that he ever had set for victims. That

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Speaker 6: he was going to do this too, right right, My

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Speaker 6: mom broke every rule because of her soul. He felt

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Speaker 6: something different with her.

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Speaker 3: The detectives came up to Spokane and they questioned my

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Speaker 3: mom that she said, of your dad's jail for Bruder,

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Speaker 3: I want to know what you saw.

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Speaker 6: No one knows this. I haven't told anybody. They open

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Speaker 6: up a room, white walls, silver table. My mom has

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Speaker 6: a sheet covered up to her neck. That's the last

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Speaker 6: time I saw that all.

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Speaker 2: This was a multi year relationship. And if he could

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Speaker 2: do that to her, he could do that to anybody.

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Speaker 5: Julie was found when a local resident stopped to take

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Speaker 5: a scenic picture.

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Speaker 6: Why did the universe tell that person to stop right here?

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Speaker 3: If your mom's body wasn't found, he would.

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Speaker 6: Still be out there today, the pies, the.

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Speaker 4: Pies with the sun. I don't know, shine O shi, Oh,

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Speaker 4: what did.

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Speaker 7: You think about doing to keep it?

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Speaker 6: You really want to know that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 6: I mean I've had I wanted to torture him. I've

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Speaker 6: thought of burying him up to you know what I mean,

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Speaker 6: just cutting little cuts and like animals, you know, all

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Speaker 6: kinds of sick and twisted thoughts. Those aren't normal thoughts.

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Speaker 4: What do you think when you had those thoughts?

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Speaker 6: They were wrong? It's not right, but it was Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I've had wild, wild, wild thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Gandhi once said, the weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is

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Speaker 5: the attribute of the strong. But how do some find

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Speaker 5: the strength to forgive the unforgivable. I'm Lauren Bright Checko

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Speaker 5: and this is happy face.

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Speaker 7: From The Oregonian, December twentieth, nineteen ninety five by John

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Speaker 7: Painter Junior. The last of Keith Hunter Jesperson's sentences for

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Speaker 7: three Northwest murders was handed down Tuesday, when a Clark

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Speaker 7: County judge ordered him to serve a minimum of thirty

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Speaker 7: four and a half years in prison for killing a

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Speaker 7: Cavas woman last March. He earlier had admitted strangling Julie Winningham,

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Speaker 7: forty three, and the sleeper of his long haul truck.

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Speaker 7: The sentence will be served consecutively to two consecutive Oregon

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Speaker 7: murder sentences, guaranteeing that Jesperson forty will die in prison.

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Speaker 7: At the sentencing, Winningham's son Don Finley, described the mother

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Speaker 7: as a kind person willing to help others. Quote, you

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Speaker 7: killed her, putting her family in darkness.

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Speaker 5: Melissa, Noel and I had spent an emotional few hours

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Speaker 5: with Don. We'd had him walk us through what he'd

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Speaker 5: gone through after Keith had brutally murdered his mom, Julianne Winningham,

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Speaker 5: How hard it was to be surrounded by the things

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Speaker 5: it had put his life in. But the thing that

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Speaker 5: Melissa wanted to truly understand was after carrying such anger,

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Speaker 5: how did Don come to a place where he truly

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Speaker 5: felt healed and how did he learn to forgive? Did

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Speaker 5: you think about bringing a gun into the Oh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't have mental detectors every day of the trial.

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Speaker 6: They didn't have metal detectors. One day I walked out

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Speaker 6: of the court. I was from me to your father.

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Speaker 6: There was nothing stopping me. He was full of shackles,

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Speaker 6: nothing stopping me from just going at him. I didn't

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Speaker 6: know then, but I know now why I didn't do it,

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Speaker 6: because he would have won. We are not here to

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Speaker 6: take another life. Okay, it would have been over. He

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Speaker 6: in there because your life has been miserable. My life

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Speaker 6: has been miserable. I have healed. Your father will never heal,

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Speaker 6: and that is no longer your burden, no longer your burden.

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Speaker 6: Do you know about the two people that were convicted

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Speaker 6: for the crime.

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Speaker 8: I know that Laverne was assisted, that her boyfriend friend

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Speaker 8: John was guilty of this crime, and that she manufactured

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Speaker 8: evidence to got him convicted and ultimately got her convicted

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Speaker 8: as well. But they were found guilty, that they serve

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Speaker 6: And can I ask you a question, do you think

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Speaker 6: they deserve to stay in prison for what they said

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Speaker 6: they did or do you think they should have been released?

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Speaker 4: They should have been released.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well, my opinion is he should have been released

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Speaker 6: and she should have stayed in because she's the one

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Speaker 6: who made the accusations. But they get out. As soon

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Speaker 6: as they get out, they make a movie about it instantly,

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Speaker 6: within a month, about their life story. Who are they

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Speaker 6: to bring this up? I was really pissed off because

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Speaker 6: if they wouldn't have confessed, they may have caught your

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Speaker 6: father before my mom. But no, and it screwed everything up.

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Speaker 6: He could have been caught, It may have never happened

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Speaker 6: to my mom. It could have saved four or five women.

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Speaker 6: Because this lady confessed to a crime she didn't commit

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Speaker 6: to get out of an abusive relationship. I've had to

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Speaker 6: forgive her also to be able to move on. I

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Speaker 6: have to forgive the detectives for not doing a thorough investigation.

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Speaker 6: I had to forgive all these people for not doing

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Speaker 6: their job. And then I had to truly forgive your father.

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Speaker 6: I had to truly forgive my own father. I've had

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Speaker 6: a lot of forgiving, and you have to forgive, not forget,

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Speaker 6: to be able to move on.

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Speaker 5: For all of Don's words about forgiveness, it was apparent

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Speaker 5: that jessperson had very much gotten into his head.

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Speaker 6: Do you know who Sondra London is?

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Speaker 5: No, I've never heard the name.

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Speaker 6: This is what your father did. Sondra London, who was

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Speaker 6: in love with a serial killer named Van Rawlings in Florida.

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Speaker 6: He executed seven women with the machete. She wrote a

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Speaker 6: book about him. Your father wrote Sondra London to ask

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Speaker 6: her to write a book. She said no, but I

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Speaker 6: will create a computer book, diary or whatever. So your

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Speaker 6: father proceeds to write her telling her how great it

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Speaker 6: is to be in jail, how to get away with murder,

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Speaker 6: how to do this. It's still on the internet today.

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Speaker 6: It's like twenty two pages.

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Speaker 7: From The Oregonian, September tenth, nineteen ninety seven by J.

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Speaker 7: Todd Foster. Last year from prison, Jesperson wrote a Jacksonville,

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Speaker 7: Florida woman who's fascinated with serial killers and thinks society

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Speaker 7: should have unfettered access to their minds. Sondra London, fifty

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Speaker 7: then posted Jesperson's letters word for word on the internet,

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Speaker 7: as she has other killers letters. On Jesperson's page, which

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Speaker 7: features a rotating skull, he compares his victims to garbage

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Speaker 7: he discarded along America's roadways as a long haul truck driver.

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Speaker 7: His most disturbing writings, however, are contained in the Self

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Speaker 7: Start Serial Killer Kit, which offers web browsers a line

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Speaker 7: life size blow up doll named for one of his victims,

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Speaker 7: Julianne Winningham. Winningham's son Don Findley, twenty five, of Vancouver, Washington,

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Speaker 7: read Jessperson's website Tuesday and was appalled.

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Speaker 6: He put in part of this stuff that he wrote

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Speaker 6: Get yourself Start Serial Killer Kit. It comes with a

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Speaker 6: two hour VHS tape of life and death situations that

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Speaker 6: are guaranteed to scare the piss or, arouse you or both.

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Speaker 6: Take your Julie Winningham blow up doll with an extra

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Speaker 6: spring back neck, take her mouth, put it over the

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Speaker 6: head of your cock, and you'll soon have the living

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Speaker 6: strength to squeeze the shit out of anybody. Why did

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Speaker 6: he pick my mom?

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Speaker 9: Your mother calls, don't wink at me in court? It

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Speaker 9: was fucking funny as I jumped over the fucking barrier

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Speaker 9: and was grabbed because this man.

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Speaker 5: You could see how much down was affected by Keith.

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Speaker 5: He still carries that hurt. But perhaps what's most impressive is,

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Speaker 5: even in that emotional state, how he handled himself on the.

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Speaker 6: Stand Tanya's brother and sister. You know didn't really do

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Speaker 6: in court like I did. Yeah, you know you didn't

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Speaker 6: see the whole thing on court. You know I had to.

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Speaker 6: I did the rebuttal to your father, and I told

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Speaker 6: him this is the last thing I told him. I said,

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Speaker 6: as Christians, I forgive you, and God will punish you

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Speaker 6: in the way you deserve to be punished. Your father

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Speaker 6: put his head down. The judge had a tear coming

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Speaker 6: out of his eye. The only reason your father is

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Speaker 6: not dead is because he didn't kill two women in

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Speaker 6: the state of Washington. But he did kill one right

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Speaker 6: over there and right over there, just a mile and

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Speaker 6: a half difference. What are your triggers like?

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Speaker 10: What triggers you? Even now, having done all the work

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Speaker 10: and feeling like you've healed, you were saying that it's everywhere,

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Speaker 10: It's like Emuji's, it's Walmart.

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 6: Oh, it was because only because of the simple fact

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Speaker 6: of the title they gave him on the Happy Face Killer. Psychologically,

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Speaker 6: that messed with my head. Everywhere I saw it would

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Speaker 6: be a reminder of him. Now that I'm healed, I'm

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Speaker 6: over it. But it was his thing. He's not I

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Speaker 6: can't let that beat me up because he'll still win.

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Speaker 6: As long as I have something going in me that

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Speaker 6: he did, I'm never gonna hear. So I have to

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Speaker 6: release it, no matter how much it hurts. So you

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Speaker 6: would you saw it everywhere everywhere, everywhere, back of jeeps, Walmart,

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Speaker 6: people's clothes. How many people walk around with the happy

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Speaker 6: face with the bullet in the head, You know how

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Speaker 6: many people walk You know what I'm saying. All that

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Speaker 6: stuff goes through my head, you know, and I'm like

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Speaker 6: just a flashback everywhere I go. I see this guy.

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Speaker 6: Now many years it took me to get past that.

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Speaker 6: I don't even know.

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Speaker 10: God, it's like it's literally like being haunted by a

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Speaker 10: real life boogieman like it.

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Speaker 6: And I am an overthinker, and I believe your father

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Speaker 6: did that on purpose. But then on the other hand,

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Speaker 6: I think that he was just being mischievous and smart

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Speaker 6: ass and signing it with the happy face, not realizing why.

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Speaker 11: It's exactly why he winked at you in court. It's

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Speaker 11: his taking something so sinister and heinous and spinning it

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Speaker 11: to the polar opposite of like putting. It's his sixth

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Speaker 11: sense of humor. It's his way of mocking people's pain.

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Speaker 11: It's he gets pleasure from that, and this smiley face

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Speaker 11: is as a mockery.

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Speaker 6: I get it. Yeah, But why do you feel that

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Speaker 6: your dad used my mom's name in the thing I

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Speaker 6: told you about that you never knew about and didn't

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Speaker 6: use Tanya Bennett or one of the other six victims.

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Speaker 11: She was not his typical victim. I mean, he broke

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Speaker 11: all of his rules with her.

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Speaker 5: I think it's because she stopped him. She's the reason

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Speaker 5: he got caught, and so.

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Speaker 6: He resents her.

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Speaker 7: From I the creation of a serial killer by Jack Olson.

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Speaker 7: From his County jail cell, his curly brownish Maine shorn

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Speaker 7: by an inmate barber, Keith Jesperson continued his campaign to

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Speaker 7: muddy the legal waters. Most of his confessional letters were

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Speaker 7: sent after his own lawyer told him to shut up.

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Speaker 7: The notes were uniformly upbeat quote have a nice day

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Speaker 5: Regardless of how Don defines the relationship between Keith and Julie,

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Speaker 5: Melissa saw her as a woman who could have been

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Speaker 5: her stepmother, that in some parallel universe Melissa and Don

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Speaker 5: could have been would have been step siblings instead. There

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because he loses I told you he has a miserable,

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Speaker 5: Melissa's most deeply rooted fear is that she is somehow

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Speaker 6: You obviously are not him. Okay, obviously you're not, So

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Speaker 6: That's the first thing you need to get out. You're nothing.

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Speaker 6: You're not like him because of that. You're like blocking

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Speaker 6: I can't believe you see it so nice. I wish

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Speaker 5: Don Lee Roy, whomever he believed himself to be at

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Speaker 6: Well, basically, your dad lives in one building. He's not

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Speaker 7: Most of the cops and detectives who'd worked the case

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Speaker 6: Him, and the whole time in the case, Abrady kept

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all of Melissa's fears about confrontation, about Gon's hatred,

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Speaker 5: After all of this, what is Jessperson to you?

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Speaker 6: Now? What is Jessperson to me?

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