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Speaker 1: He used to coach at Utah, Urban Meyer seventeen years

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Speaker 1: of college football coach, three time national champion, multiple time

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Speaker 1: Big Ten champion. We were just talking to that. I

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Speaker 1: remember when you were at Utah, by the way, I

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Speaker 1: remember you had Alex Smith. You beat Oregon, and you

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Speaker 1: pointed out you beat somebody else that year in the

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Speaker 1: Pac twelve. Who was it? Who was the quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Oh, let's see.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I had this skinny kid named Alex Smith,

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Speaker 4: real skinny, one hundred and eighty five pounds, six foot four,

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Speaker 4: his legs look like that, and he got his first

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Speaker 4: start against col Bears. And I looked later on, obviously

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Speaker 4: we didn't really know who he was at the time,

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Speaker 4: but some guy by the name of Aaron Rodgers, Aaron

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Speaker 4: Rodgers versus Alex Smith. And every time I see Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 4: I remind him I'm one and zero against him and

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Speaker 4: Alex Smithfield, and he gets a little upset, but we

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Speaker 4: move on.

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Speaker 3: He's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember those games, all right. You've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of different quarterbacks in your career in college, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of different personalities, you know. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: could go up the line Chris Leak and a Tim

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Speaker 1: Tebow and you had you had Joe Burrow was a

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Speaker 1: backup at some point he transferred out. You had so

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Speaker 1: many different personalities. Arch Manning's different though. None of your

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks grew up with American royalty. The Manning family is

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Speaker 1: American football royalty in this country. And he's struggling. And

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Speaker 1: I said the other day, is I think he needs it.

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Speaker 1: I think all these quarterbacks need to get beat up

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Speaker 1: a little bit because he grew up in a pretty

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Speaker 1: cool life. But I do look at the mechanics and

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Speaker 1: I think to myself, there's a difference between struggling and

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Speaker 1: losing confidence. Did you ever have a quarterback that you

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Speaker 1: just thought, man, he's lost his fastball upstairs? Because I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a lack of talent, but when you

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Speaker 1: lose mechanics, you're second guessing yourself. Did you ever deal

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Speaker 1: that with a young quarterback?

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm trying to think we were really fortunately

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Speaker 4: Chris Sleek was a guy who I lost a little

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Speaker 4: we had to do adapt our system. He lost some

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Speaker 4: confidence our first year, but once he got going and

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Speaker 4: we and that was on us too as coaches, we

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Speaker 4: had to make sure that he was comfortable and then

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Speaker 4: he became a national championship early. That's a that's a

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Speaker 4: great point early part of five. You know, one of

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Speaker 4: the best quarterbacks in the country is really struggling with

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Speaker 4: his confidence, and we adapted. We basically let him get

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Speaker 4: very involved in a play call, not play calling, but

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Speaker 4: the game planning. So that's a great point. And you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe now we're on that topic, maybe that's what they

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Speaker 4: have to do that here in Texas say aren't you

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Speaker 4: tell us what you want?

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Speaker 3: We'll call it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Drew Brees told me that Saturday night

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Speaker 1: I don't want to run this play, this play, this play.

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Speaker 1: Shawn would say what are you comfortable with? What aren't you?

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Speaker 1: And they he would cross stuff out and that's Drew Brees. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know I said this. I think you and I

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Speaker 1: You gotta go wherever. It could be Houston, Atlanta, the South,

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Speaker 1: They looked different upfront defensively. They got a kid from Many, Minnesota,

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Speaker 4: Well, well, my last three years in Ohio State, we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I remember you.

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Speaker 4: You actually brought this up to me many times that

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Speaker 4: You've got USC historically, I'm not talking about the Pete

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Speaker 4: fifteen year dry spell where yeah, you know, they just

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Speaker 4: didn't have the depth. And I'm watching USC now, they're balanced,

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Speaker 4: They're punching you right in the face on both sides

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Speaker 3: This is a completely different looking team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nil, Oregon, Washington and USC are going buying players,

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Speaker 1: so they're leaving the region buying players and it's the reality.

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Speaker 1: So Brian Kelly this week he gets fired up. Now

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Speaker 1: Brian's a fired up guy, like he just is a

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Speaker 1: very good coach, but he's yelling at the media and

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Speaker 1: he's getting feisty. Joel Klatt and I disagreed. Joel said

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Speaker 1: he was sending a message to his team, and I said, no,

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Speaker 1: he was just picked off.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, but when were there times when you would

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Speaker 1: go to the podium in Gainesville or Columbus and you thought, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we didn't play very well. I'm going to send a

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Speaker 4: I was too emotional, and Brian Kelly might be you know,

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Speaker 4: and I know coach Kelly pretty well, and uh that

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Speaker 4: that might be what he was doing. I don't think

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Speaker 4: where we've all. I'm sure you've been there too. A

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Speaker 4: night night game at LSU. There's no tougher environment. I

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Speaker 4: and you're you're in the in the locker room with

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Speaker 4: something and someone asked you. So, yeah, I've been there

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Speaker 4: a bunch and I think coach handled it. You know someone,

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Speaker 4: let him go, you know, have a little fun with us.

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Speaker 4: So we got pissed off at a reporter.

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Speaker 3: You're allowed to do that, yeah, you know. But he

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Speaker 3: did the right thing. The next day.

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Speaker 4: He said, yeah, I gotta work. We got to work together.

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Speaker 4: I apologize, move on. That's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so listen, in college, you get a red shirt.

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Speaker 1: In college, you know, you work your way up the

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Speaker 1: And I never saw I looked at JJ McCarthy. I

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Speaker 1: obviously he was very successful against the Buckeyes. And you

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Speaker 1: watch those games. Tell me about your thoughts about his

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 4: I agreed with you that he never had to win

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Speaker 3: I think he manages the game.

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Speaker 4: I thought, you know, anytime you have a guy that

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Speaker 3: I never heard him complain. I member.

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Speaker 4: I was at the game when he the Penn State

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Speaker 4: They ran the ball thirty two straight times, yeah punted.

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Speaker 4: But of course it was going to be buppy. There's

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Speaker 4: think he'll still be fine. But I questioned this ken.

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Speaker 4: You know, see that franchise guy that can go win

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Speaker 4: that's that those are That's a big that's a big task.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know dabos sweet years ago, Mike Krzyzewski did

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Speaker 1: about it. He said, I didn't like the one and done.

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Speaker 1: I wanted you to go to Duke and then all

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Speaker 1: So Dabo doesn't like the transfer portal in the nil thing.

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Speaker 5: He didn't like it.

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Speaker 1: And my take is, well, it's not just about paying

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Speaker 1: You know, if you can get Caleb Downs, go get

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Speaker 1: it makes sense. I mean, you know, used to go

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Speaker 1: to the teams, used to go to the junior college route.

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Speaker 1: I look at the transfer portal a little like the

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Speaker 1: old junior college route, like, hey, we missed on a receiver.

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Speaker 1: We need a slot receiver. Let's go get him from Louisville.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Dabo will come around and go okay

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Speaker 1: like coach k and go the world change. I got

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Speaker 1: a change with it.

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Speaker 3: But there's no doubt he will.

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Speaker 4: And when the transfer portal era started, I was not coaching,

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Speaker 5: up to the hype, Colin, are you ready for this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's gonna be fine. I do.

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Speaker 1: I would say this too. Two things. You're right, they

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Speaker 1: don't have great perimeter weapons. So safeties can cheat. There's

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Speaker 1: no questions. Safeties can cheat. You can't do that with

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Speaker 1: aj Brown and Devonte Smith and I love Saquon, but

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Speaker 1: you could cheat with Saquon. With the Giants, you can't

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Speaker 1: cheat in Philadelphia, Kyron Williams, Rams, Puka, Devonte Adams, He's

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Speaker 1: gonna have a good year. You can't cheat. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing is everybody with the Raiders. Your coordinator's new,

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Speaker 1: your head coach is new, your quarterback is new. Like

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Speaker 1: they just have a bunch of new stuff. So I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's fair. They remind me of New England.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like I can judge the Raiders today

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Speaker 1: or judge the Patriots today. I just think they have

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Speaker 1: two new systems, new coordinators, new coaches, new players. I

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Speaker 1: think Ashton gent is gonna be fine.

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Speaker 5: Does it matter for you picking this game? Who like

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Speaker 5: Jaden's quarterback or Marc Mariota.

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Speaker 1: It's a stayaway game whenever a quarterback's hurt. It's like

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Speaker 1: I like San Francisco over Arizona. But that's because I

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Speaker 1: watched Mac Jones excel. So it doesn't matter to me.

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Speaker 1: They're both fine. I'm not I'm not touching the commanders

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Speaker 1: when I don't know if Jayden Daniels is gonna play.

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Speaker 1: I think the Raiders will account for themselves well. And

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Speaker 1: if Jayden doesn't play, they have a chance to win.

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Speaker 5: Man all right. Final story, Colin is the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 5: They're rolling with Carson Wentz classic. He's still in the league. Guy, Colin,

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Speaker 5: I did not know this last six seasons. He's been

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Speaker 5: on six different teams. That's insane. However, he gets Kevin

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Speaker 5: O'Connell as his head coach when and that's probably good news.

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Speaker 5: Here's Wentz talking about his record.

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Speaker 9: It's definitely giving me a different perspective. You know, going

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Speaker 9: from being a starter, being a starter, just traded, cut

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Speaker 9: all the things, then being a backup the last two

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Speaker 9: years find some you know, future Hall of Fame quarterbacks.

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Speaker 9: Getting to see it done at a very high level.

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Speaker 9: Has he given me some perspective Also, just the perspective

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Speaker 9: of not taking this for granted. You know, it's you

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Speaker 9: never know when your next chance is going to be

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Speaker 9: in this league.

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Speaker 1: Here's an opinion you probably won't share. I think Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz is actually pretty good, but based on what based

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Speaker 1: on what well, he had a lot of injuries. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Howie Roseman signed him to a huge contract.

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Speaker 5: That was like six years ago.

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Speaker 1: Man, Come on, what I'm saying is there's a reason

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Speaker 1: he keeps finding himself. Have you ever noticed this? The

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Speaker 1: coaches that like him, A lot of these offensive guys

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Speaker 1: like Carson Wentz. I like him. I think he's got talent.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, you're right. So he was with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting and McVeigh. Look at who likes him. McVeigh,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Kevin O'Connell and Howie Roseman. I trust those

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Speaker 1: four guys.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's also no drama with Wentz. He's going to

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Speaker 5: hold a clipboard and be quiet because he knows the

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Speaker 5: injuries have decimated him. However, he's only been in Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: I looked this up. He's signed on all the twenty

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Speaker 5: four so it's not like he went through all of

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Speaker 5: camp and everything with this team relatively new to the system.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how it's gonna go, and I'm kind

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Speaker 5: of with you. I don't know what to do with

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Speaker 5: this game. Probably a stay away from me.

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Speaker 1: What about you again, I've got a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 5: On both sides, brown Jake Browning for the Bangles Y.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I will tell you this, Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 1: won a game with Josh Dobbs having no practices. I

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Speaker 1: would probably take Minnesota and Carson Wentz. I could argue

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is ahead of JJ McCarthy right now.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I know we wait, wait, wait, wait, wait

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Speaker 5: what in.

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Speaker 1: Terms of Carson Wentz today is better than JJ McCarthy today.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm on bet this game because of that

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Speaker 1: I was talking about, say he's better, Come on, come on,

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Speaker 1: have you watched JJ McCarthy seven of the last eight quarters.

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is better than that.

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Speaker 5: Carson Wentz is on his sixtem and six years.

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Speaker 1: You know what. A lot of talented people bounce around

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, wait till Minnesota Vikings fans hear that

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Speaker 5: you're saying Wentz is better right now?

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Speaker 1: J today today?

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Speaker 5: Wow, that is bold. You're on a hot take week

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Speaker 5: that right now. Remember yesterday you said Jim Morrow was

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Speaker 5: the greatest coach ever. You're firing on all cylinders this week.

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Speaker 1: I like it, Okay, J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a crazy take. Today, Tyson Beajent

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Speaker 1: today would run Ben Johnson's system better than Caleb today.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he's gonna be better in six weeks. Today,

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is better than JJ McCarthy today.

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Speaker 5: Wait, if that's true about Beijing, why don't you start him?

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Speaker 5: Isn't the goal to win games?

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of politics in the NFL in big markets,

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Speaker 1: with who you play and who you don't play. There's

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know that it's much more difficult than

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Speaker 1: just hey, let's play the guy you gotta let this

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Speaker 1: thing play out. You can't lose Caleb's confidence. You know,

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Speaker 1: you shit him, you could lose him. You can't just

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Speaker 1: do that. I'm just saying this. Vikings are winning this game.

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Speaker 1: I'd probably with you on that.

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Speaker 5: Brian Florees at home, the defense against Browning, you know,

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Speaker 5: going into hostile territory. I do wonder if Vikings are

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Speaker 5: kind of beat up Van Grinkle missed last game. They

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Speaker 5: got some guys out. I don't know. I guess I'll

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Speaker 5: rock with you on that one, Vikings, but I can't

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Speaker 5: roll with you on Carson Wentz better than JJ. I mean,

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Speaker 5: we're eight days removed from that Monday night fourth quarter.

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Speaker 5: Come on, he was the NFC Player of the Week.

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Speaker 1: Boll that was none.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: in New Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: Sunday, a Fox NFL doubleheader starts with a rematch of

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Speaker 5: last year's playoff classic between the Rams and Eagles or

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Speaker 5: other regional acts. Then it's America's Game of the Week

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Speaker 5: as Dak and the Cowboys take on Caleb Williams and

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Speaker 5: the Bears.

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Speaker 1: Or Cardinals Diners.

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Speaker 5: Check local listings for the games in your area only

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Speaker 5: on Fox.

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Speaker 1: The Fox schedule is so good that the Cardinals Niners

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Speaker 1: you just said, or watch Cardinals nine. Well that's a

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Speaker 1: really good game.

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Speaker 5: Well I'm gonna get that out here in LA and

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Speaker 5: I'm excited for it because I will have money.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So before the show today, Jmac went so crazy

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Speaker 1: he almost derailed our prep. So tell the audience the

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Speaker 1: argument you want to make.

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Speaker 5: So, a lot of these quarterbacks drafted in the last

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Speaker 5: six years have struggled out of the gate for whatever reason.

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Speaker 5: Maybe they didn't get the college reps, or there was

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Speaker 5: the COVID hiccup and the scouts did not get to

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Speaker 5: dig as deep as they wanted. So we've had a

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Speaker 5: lot of guys come into the draft and they flopped

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Speaker 5: at the top, but then they've rebounded elsewhere. Sam Darnold

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Speaker 5: now as a starter making big money, Baker Mayfield now

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Speaker 5: a starter making big money. Some guys like Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 5: they're never going to figure out that being. Even Gino

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Speaker 5: Smith to an extent, is in that group, but he

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Speaker 5: was drafted earlier. I'm wondering, is there a world where

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Speaker 5: Daniel Jones, who has absolutely cooked the first two weeks.

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Speaker 5: Is he the next Baker Mayfield? And I say this

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Speaker 5: to Colin, and Colin kind of sort of like scoffs

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Speaker 5: in no way, no shot, And I'm like, if you

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Speaker 5: look at the numbers and it's just two weeks, we

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Speaker 5: know Shane Steichen was a stud with Jalen Hurts, and

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Speaker 5: now he's got Daniel Jones. Why can't he make him

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Speaker 5: a reclamation project like Baker Mayfield. This Colt, by the way,

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Speaker 5: the Colts faced the Broncos last week and Daniel Jones

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Speaker 5: was confidently throwing at Patrick Surtan, the reigning defensive player

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Speaker 5: of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's certainly possible, but I would say this.

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks have to have a great trait. So Sam Darnold's

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Speaker 1: athletic ability. He is a live, playmaking athlete. So when

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Speaker 1: he was struggling, my take was, there are highlights with

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold where he is spectacular. Baker Mayfield. When Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield can plant and throw, he throws a top eight

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Speaker 1: ball in this league. When Baker's got time to throw,

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Speaker 1: now he thinks he's a better athlete than he is.

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Speaker 1: And when the pocket breaks down. It's like Baker get

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Speaker 1: rid of the ball. You're not going to outrun the

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Speaker 1: defensive end. But Baker is an elite thrower. The football

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Speaker 1: sam is an elite athlete. Daniel Jones is a good athlete,

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Speaker 1: and there's a decent ball. He doesn't have a wow trait.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So the counter would be Daniel Jones's nickname, and

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Speaker 5: it was probably half in jest with the Giants, was

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Speaker 5: Vanilla vic. He's a tremendous athlete. And I'll just say this,

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Speaker 5: you know, and this is a longer conversation. I think

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Speaker 5: there's something interesting here. There's a world where these guys

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Speaker 5: are drafted at the top and they're not built to

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Speaker 5: be franchise saviors. You know, hey, Daniel Jones, come and

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Speaker 5: pull the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Out of the wilder if they can be a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But they're not a franchise savior, right And being.

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Speaker 5: Drafted at the top is a lot of pressure. Man.

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Speaker 5: You know, Zach Wilson was in awe of the spotlight.

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Speaker 5: Some of these guys can't handle that. How about this

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Speaker 5: go ahead.

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Speaker 1: The Colts offense personnel right now, they're O line is

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Speaker 1: fifth best at pff. Their tight end is the number

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Speaker 1: one tight end in football. Jonathan Taylor's the top four

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Speaker 1: to five back. I said this, They're a line eight

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Speaker 1: Denvers d line for lunch. My take on the Colts

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Speaker 1: is he's got great talent. Michael Pittman, Pierce Warren Taylor.

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Speaker 1: I think people, because they've struggled at quarterback, don't look

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Speaker 1: at the Colts and go oh, they got good players.

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Speaker 1: Watch the Denver game. Denver gets an incredible pass rush

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Speaker 1: muted against the Colts old line. I think Ballard's built

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Speaker 1: an excellent team and they were beat up against the Colts.

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Speaker 1: They were missing three starters.

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Speaker 5: So is it possible Daniel Jones is a franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 5: but he's not a franchise savior. And there is a difference, right,

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Speaker 5: there's it's a nuance.

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Speaker 1: That is an interesting take. He's not Bakers. That is

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Speaker 1: an interesting take. Maybe you just found our lead for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: No way that well, yeah, you're right, no one Colts. Yeah,