1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to It Happened Here, a podcast where it has 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: happened here. I'm your host Mia along with me as gare. Hello, Ger, 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: how are you doing this accursive day? Oh I'm feeling 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: very healthy. I'm up on my vaccines. I'm doing pretty good. 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: Just had a nice bowl of cereal. Hell yeah, it's great. 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: Well, you're you're doing better than the country is about 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 3: to be doing. 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: Because this one, this one's bad, folks. So a couple 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: of days ago, we promised that RFK Junior was getting 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: his own episode, and he's getting eighty five ninety percent 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: of his own episode. There's one other guy we're going 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: to talk about, but unfortunately former presidential candidate Robert F. 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 3: Kennedy. I don't know what the F stands for Fitzgerald. 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: I'm assuming Fitzgerald. Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy Junior. 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: Has been nominated by Trump to lead the Department of 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: Health and Human Services. I first off need to note 18 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: that RFK Junior has been credibly accused of sexual assault, 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: and when asked for comment by The Washington Post, he said, 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: and I quote, I said in my announcement speech that 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: I have so many skeletons in my closet that if 22 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: they could all vote, I could run for king of 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: the world. Now, legally I cannot make an interpretation of 24 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: how you want to piece together those sets of facts. 25 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: But he was accused of it, and that's what he 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: said when the Washington Post acted for comment. So you know, 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: that's great. 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 4: Between that and like all the sexual misconduct allegations against 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 4: Musk and like everyone else involved in Trump's orbit, Matt Gates, 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: Vince McMahon and his wife, the whole like me too 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 4: era feels kind of dead, and it kind of has 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 4: been for a while. But really, the general voting public 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 4: does not care at all. 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does not seem to. It's very bleak. 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: That's not even remote leads the bleak ist part about 36 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: this appointment though, So. 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: Oh no, he's that for so many reasons. 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 3: Holy shit. 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: So I think if you are like most people listening 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: to this, I don't think people tend to have an 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: understanding of how many fucking departments there are, like under 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: the Department of Health and Human Services, just how many 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: different organizations there are. I originally I had listed them 44 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: all out, and then I was like, I can't do this. 45 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: It's too long to read in the podcast. 46 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: So here are the important ones for our purpose. 47 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 4: Nic. 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: This isn't even all the important ones, but here are 49 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: some of the important ones. So under the Apartment of 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: Health and Human Services is the Centers for Disease Control 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: and Prevention, the Centers from Medicare and Medicaid Services, the 52 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, the 53 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: Office of Inspector General, and the Office for Civil Rights. 54 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: So we've just put probably the US's most famous anti 55 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: vaxery charge of all of these organizations. And I say, 56 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: we've just put He still has to get confirmed, and 57 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: there is some chance that he doesn't make it. 58 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 3: I don't know. 59 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: We it would be much better for everyone on Earth 60 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: if he fucking doesn't get appointed. 61 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 4: But it's still very up in the air. Yeah, if 62 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 4: any of these guys are going to get pushed in 63 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: through recess appointments, or whether the Senate will just completely 64 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: cave to Trump. Who knows. 65 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, you know, and we'll get to 66 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: part of this later. 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: There is real political opposition to Trump in parts of 68 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: the Republican Party base, especially the Senate. Yeah, he is 69 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: about to fuck with the money, and sometimes you can 70 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: do that and it's fine, and sometimes you can't and we. 71 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: Simply do not know yet. 72 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: And so I think before we get into how again, 73 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: an anti vaxxer leading the US is like health services 74 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: is going to just obliterate us all, I think it's 75 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: actually worth taking a look at what this means politically 76 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: in terms of Trump's base, in terms of sort of 77 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: the power compon. 78 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: Positions of it. 79 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: Because in twenty twenty, the last time he was running, 80 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: he had a real problem with the anti vaxxers because, 81 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: you know, on the one had, Trump like did a 82 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: bunch of anti vax stuff. On the other hand, he 83 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: did spend a bunch of money to develop the vaccine, 84 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: and this pissed off an incredibly large number of people. 85 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 2: You have, like your Alex Jones is yelling about how 86 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: he was like tricked into making the vaccine. And there's 87 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: a kind of split in his base between the people 88 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: who are anti vaxxers and people who think that COVID 89 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: was like designed in a lab as a bioweapon. Because 90 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: those people in theory, if you're following this coherently right, 91 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: the people who think that COVID was creating a lab 92 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: as a bioweapon, you should also want a vaccine then, 93 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: because that could stop the bioweapon. 94 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 4: Well unless the bio weapon was invented so that people 95 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 4: would get vaccinated, and the real dangers the vaccines. See me, 96 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 4: you gotta be thinking one step ahead with these people. 97 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: But there's another thing too, which is you also have 98 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: to simultaneously argue that COVID is pretty mild, because that's 99 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: another thing that all these people believe because you have 100 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: to be anti lock down, and to be anti lockdown, 101 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: you have to believe that COVID is mild. So what 102 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: the chain of things you have to believe? And there 103 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: are like, I don't know, like a third of the 104 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: population of the US believes some variants of like COVID 105 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: was made in a lab as bio weapon, it either 106 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: escaped or was deployed. It's also mild. And also the 107 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: vaccine is trying to kill you, So this is bad. 108 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: And Trump has kind of papered over this issue with 109 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: his base by again just handing all of the fucking 110 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: health departments over to RFK JR. And a sign of 111 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: what RFK Jr's tenure is going to look like, assuming 112 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 2: he gets appointed, is that he has been putting together 113 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: list of people he wants to head all of these agencies, 114 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: and chief on that list is Jay Banachaira, who's he 115 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: wants to be the head of the National Institute of Health. 116 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: Jay is an anti lockdown maniac whose thing was that 117 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: he thought that the lockdowns were bad and that we 118 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: should have just sent everyone back to work in this 119 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: sort of absolute peak of the pandemic before we had vaccines, 120 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: and he thought that like only forty thousand people were 121 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: going to die because of COVID, and that if you 122 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: just sent to everyone back, everyone would get COVID and 123 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: this would create like quote unquote herd immunity, and then 124 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: the disease would be okay, yeah, yeah, and that's nonsense, right. 125 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 4: That that did not happen. We can actually save for sure. Yes, 126 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 4: more than forty thousand people died. It wasn't just a flu. 127 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 128 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: And also you know there were countries I think Norway 129 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: tried this where they tried to like easelock dew restrictions 130 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: early and it just killed a bunch of people and 131 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: you didn't get an immunity benefit because then the thing 132 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: about herd immunity, right, So herd immunity is this concept 133 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: and this is kind of this is important for the 134 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: vaccination angle of this. It's this concept that there are 135 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: there are some people in a population who medically cannot vaccinated. 136 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: You know, there's like actual health reasons right for this 137 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: that aren't just like anti vax shit. But if enough 138 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: of the rest of the population is vaccinated, then it 139 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: doesn't matter because there's not because there's enough immunity in 140 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: the entire herd that it's hard for the disease to spread. 141 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: And the way you're supposed to do this again is 142 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: with vaccines, right, But there was a whole crowd of 143 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: people who wanted to try to do this not with 144 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: vaccines but just by giving everyone COVID. And these are 145 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: the people that RFKID Junior wants to like put in 146 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: charge of the nation's health services. Now, the political response 147 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: to this from our side is also really complicated because 148 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: you know, the way that the battles already playing out 149 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: in the media is RFK Junior versus Big Pharma. And 150 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: the problem is, no one likes big Farmer unless you're 151 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: being paid by them, Like we don't like big Farm, 152 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: but these companies suck shit. They're really bad. They're like 153 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: parts of the reasons why no, you can afford your 154 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: health care. But also the reason they're evil isn't because 155 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: they make vaccines. 156 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: And this is a this is a complicated sort of 157 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: tension to manage. And if you read a lot of 158 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: the media coverage of this so far, NPR has a 159 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: just fawning article over RFK Junior. 160 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: That's like, Oh, he's gonna like cut through the bureaucratic 161 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: red tape with his controversial things and like help treat 162 00:07:54,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: chronic disease. And no, he's an anti vaxxer. He's very 163 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: hardline anti vaxxer. I also want to read this absolutely 164 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: insane thing that he said about COVID being a I'm 165 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: just gonna read this. I don't know how to preface this. 166 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: COVID nineteen, there is an argument that is ethnically targeted. 167 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: COVID nineteen attacks certain races disroportionately. COVID nineteen is targeted 168 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are 169 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: most immune are Oscanazi, Jews and Chinese. Oh, we don't 170 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: know whether it was deliberately targeted or not, but there 171 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: are papers out there that show the racial and ethnic 172 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: different impact. 173 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 4: Oh oh no, that's that's not what those papers are 174 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 4: trying to say. 175 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: No, And I will also say this, one of the 176 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: things that you can just you know something very bad 177 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: is about to happen is when someone uses the word 178 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: Chinese and noun you were about to hear the most 179 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: racist shit you've ever heard in your entire life. 180 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: Well, not to mention as Kanasi juice. 181 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, And so you know what those actually whatever, 182 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: which to briefly talk about what those studies were actually saying, 183 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: is like, well, there were certain communities that were hit 184 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: worse by COVID, and there's certain communities that were hit 185 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: less by COVID, And that largely has to do with 186 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: things like income and how much you're forced to like 187 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: go work, read the plague. 188 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: Living conditions, class, poverty, where you live, gentrification. There's lots 189 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 4: of aspects. 190 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: How strong your anti vax movement is sure definitely another one. 191 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: Not to mention, just like medicalized racism, which is a 192 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 4: massive problem in the American health care industry. 193 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and RFK Junior not going to make that better. 194 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 4: No, I don't have an inkling that's going to be 195 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 4: on the top of his priorities beyond nationalizing essentially chicken 196 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 4: pox parties instead of vaccines. 197 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So RFK Junior has been playing the world's 198 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: most obvious shell game with the media, which the media, 199 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 2: I don't know, a lot of press outlets are just 200 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: sort of rolling over for Trump right now. And so 201 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: he's been playing this game where he's been telling the press, oh, 202 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: I'm not going to take vaccines away from everyone, from anyone, 203 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: and it'll be fine. And like we know that he 204 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: thinks in fact, scenes cause autism, Like he just says 205 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: this all the time. 206 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 4: He has promoted books about that. 207 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so like you know, we know that he 208 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: is anti vax that here he spreads anti vax propaganda. 209 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: We know that he spent a bunch of money doing this, 210 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 2: specifically also in minority communities. So there's a lot of 211 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: dangers here, some of which we're going to get into 212 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: more when we go into what specific agencies can sort 213 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: of fuck with stuff. But one of the biggest dangers 214 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: in the very short term is that he is now 215 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: in control of what is effectively the US's medical science apparatus, 216 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: and he can use this to spread all of the 217 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: anti vax horseshit that has been spreading through like less 218 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: official channels before this. I think it's worth remembering that 219 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: this whole anti vaccine craze started with one guy getting 220 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: one shitty paper published in the journal Lancet, and the 221 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: reporting on that in the media frenzy around that was 222 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: enough to turn the ACTI vaccine movement from like ten 223 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 2: people into a worldwide movement that has killed unbelievable numbers 224 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: of people. And the reason that's true is because if 225 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: an official authority tells you like that this vaccine isn't safe, 226 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: people will believe it. And he's going to be able 227 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: to use the National Institutes of Health, He's going to 228 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 2: be able to use the CDC, is going to be 229 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: able to use the journals that they publish. He's going 230 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: to be able to fill these people with his coronies. 231 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: It's going to take a lot of fighting, but he's 232 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: going to be able to use this to push anti 233 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 2: vaccine bullshit with even just leaving aside his regulatory abilities, 234 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: just the ability to like legitimize this complete horseshit as 235 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: actual science. Is going to do incoculable damage to this 236 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 2: country and is going to do incoculable damage to the 237 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: world because also one of the things that's under Health 238 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: and Human Services is the US's like international medical and 239 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 2: healthcare programs and sort of prevention programs that we do internationally. 240 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: So this is all very bad. Do you know what's 241 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: not very bad? 242 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 4: Oh? All of the ads that are going to play 243 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 4: right after I stopped talking. Surely none of them could 244 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 4: be slightly problematic. 245 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: And we are back. Okay. 246 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: So when I was first writing this in the halcyon 247 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: days of last week, right, I had a whole thing 248 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: written here about how one of the other effects of 249 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: this is not just going to be the attack on vaccines, 250 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 2: It's going to be the destruction of basic virological research, right, 251 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: Like our basic research on viruses and on diseases is 252 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: going to be destroyed, you know. And this is because 253 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: the people that are of Kajunior is surrounding himself with 254 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: are the Lablik Truther people. And the Lablik Truthers have 255 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: convinced themselves to anyone who does any kind of research 256 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: with a virus is actually like creating a giant a 257 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: bioweapon that can at any moments like break containment and 258 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: kill the entire population. And you know, so I was like, okay, 259 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: I was putting together all this stuff, and then he 260 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: just straight up said that when he gets in charge, 261 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: he's going to go to the NIH and stop studying 262 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: infectious diseases for eight years first week. 263 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 5: And I'm gonna call all the division heads and I'm 264 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 5: gonna call all the bureau chiefs, and I'm gonna say, 265 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 5: we're going to give drug development and infectious disease a break, 266 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 5: a little break, a little bit of a break for 267 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 5: about eight years, and we're gonna study chronic disease. 268 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 2: He's just saying, straight up he's gonna try to stop 269 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: all infectious disease research for eight years. 270 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: Now'll think about diseases, right. 271 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 2: I talked to a virologist beforehand, who will will remain 272 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: nameless for security purposes, but their response was, hold on, 273 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: let me, let me, let me let me read this exactly, 274 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: because it's extremely funny. I would love if pathogens would 275 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: decide to give it a rest for eight years. Sadly, 276 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: I do not think pathogens will get the memo because 277 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: they're random micro organisms. That the big issue here, right is, Okay, 278 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: so we're stopping all infectious disease research. Now, you know 279 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: we're already I mean, we're still in like we we 280 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: gave up trying to end for the first pandemic that 281 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: like that would happen on the Trump administration, right, we 282 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: were our solution to this, And this is also part 283 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 2: of the problem of the decay of these institutions even 284 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: under Biden, was that, you know, we we gave up 285 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: trying to stop COVID. We're we just we just just 286 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: like maascer, it too much work. So you're all going 287 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: to die now, have fun. 288 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 4: Well, luckily there won't be another global pandemic anytime soon 289 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: because these things really only happened once a century. 290 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: No, but you know, the consequent with this, right is 291 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: when the next pandemic hits, we're going to have an 292 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: administration that is sort of broadly anti vax who's everyone 293 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: around them is anti vaccine, and we're going to have 294 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: just destroyed our capacity to do invecious disease research. 295 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: Well and specifically this was a joke about the bird flu. 296 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 297 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: Well the thing is right, So the next one could 298 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: be that fucking bird flu strain that's bluing, but it 299 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: could be something else too. 300 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: We don't know, there could be other ones. 301 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: We you know, so like if you go into like 302 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: the actual sort of causes of these things, which have 303 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: to do with things like factory farming and like increasing 304 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: human they call it human zoological contact, but it's like 305 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: humans going into places where there weren't people before and 306 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: there are a bunch of animals and coming in in 307 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: like increasing contact with the animals. Right, that's all stuff 308 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: that they're driven by by structural elements of the economic system, 309 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: and like our constant needs to develop land and the 310 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: way we've set up our meat agriculture, and that's not 311 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: stuff that like RFK Junior gives a shit about like 312 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: actually attempting to deal with. So instead we're gonna just 313 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: do whatever this infectious disease research stop is. And I 314 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: think this also aligns with a lot of the stuff 315 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: that all of that that you know, Trump's cabinet pointees 316 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: broadly have been talking about, right, which is this this 317 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: desire to just sort of kneecap and you know, sort 318 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: of purge the American bureaucracy. 319 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 5: You know. 320 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: And I've been I've been seeing some very very. 321 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: Optimistic people going like, oh, well, you can't really do 322 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: a purge because like what competent people are good? Are 323 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: you gonna replace them with it's like no one. That's 324 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: the problem. That's the problem. Three there replaced with no one, 325 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: or they're gonna be replaced with like one of the 326 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: like hundreds of millions of weird anti vaccine freaks these 327 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: people have found have like cultivated over like a giant 328 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: global international network. Right, they have so many crank doctors. 329 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 4: We're not gonna be like governed by like a conspiracy 330 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 4: theory cabinet, which is kind of what it's looking like. Yeah, 331 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: you're just gonna be governed by the Fox and Friends 332 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: weekend host segments team. 333 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: And oh boy, yeah, And I will say, you know, 334 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: this is all going to be very bad. I do 335 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: want to do a little bit of panic calming, which 336 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: is I've seen some people freaking out about the potential 337 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: of Urca Junior just sort of destroying the American food 338 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,479 Speaker 2: system by just implementing a total ban on fertilizers and pesticides, 339 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: And could he do that in theory maybe, but that 340 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: one I don't think is really likely to happen because 341 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: if he does, if he tries to do this, he 342 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: is immediately going to face like one of the most 343 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: ferocious lobbies in the entire history of American politics, which 344 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: is the American like, I guess you would call him 345 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: the farm lobby, but really it's the American big ag 346 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: like big agricultural lobby. 347 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the agricultural lobby. Yeah. 348 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 349 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: And like you are about to face like the power 350 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: of fucking Bayer Monsanto. 351 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: They are. 352 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: They are a ferocious opponent. If you try banning their pesticides, 353 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 2: they are going to come through. They already hate him 354 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 2: because he's already he's like has sued them over a 355 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: bunch of stuff over the years. And the thing about 356 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: the combination of companies that make chemicals for stuff and 357 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: also the giant farming conglomerates who who run most of 358 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: America's food production, is that unlike, for example, the farmer lobby, 359 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: the farmer lobby is very powerful, but his power is 360 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: sort of dispersed over over a. 361 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: Broad geographic area. 362 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: It's it's not like centralized very well, which which makes 363 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: them sort of weaker in an attempt to like stop 364 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 2: our junior. The thing about the farm lobbies that they're 365 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: not There are a lot of plane states. We're just 366 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: straight up their senators and it doesn't matter which party 367 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: you elect. Your senator is just a cutout for like 368 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: the agricultural lobby. Yeah, and those people work together, right, 369 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: Like they have worked together, they will work together. They 370 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 2: caucus together all the time in order to get agricultural 371 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: subsidies and stuff. And these people are unbelievably powerful. They 372 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: are united political block in the Senate, and they can 373 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: bring the entire US governments screaching to a halt. So 374 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: that's not a fight. I don't really think that he 375 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: can win. But I mean there's still some kind of 376 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: chance that he tries to do something like this. But 377 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: on that one, and I've seen a lot of people 378 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 2: panicking about it, I think that one will probably be Okay. 379 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: That said, we're giving a guy who one of his 380 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: big things is that like the government's been like repressing 381 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 2: raw milk, and we're giving this guy control of the FDA. 382 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 4: Oh the raw milk people, Oh my god. Yeah. 383 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 384 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 4: Well, and luckily there's been no FDA related fiascos this year, 385 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: which has led to thousands of food recalls that are 386 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 4: incredibly challenging to keep up with. And now the joke 387 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 4: here is that there actually has been massive FTA fuck 388 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 4: ups which actually has led to thousands of food recalls 389 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 4: which actually are pretty challenging to keep up with because 390 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 4: oh boy, our whole regulatory state was kind of got 391 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 4: it the past eight years and it is still recovering. 392 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 4: And the deregulations have led to massive food foreign illness 393 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 4: failures in the production scene. So yeah, that's that's been happening. 394 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 4: I'm sure one of you has been affected by this. 395 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I think there are some people 396 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: who tend to read the way that RFK Junior talks 397 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: about like we need eliminate like toxins from the food 398 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: supply or whatever, and read that as, oh, he's gonna 399 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: like try to do more agriculture regulation and oh, all 400 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: rain has been eaten by worms, like that is his 401 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: brain is a bunch of conspiracy theories matched together. Like 402 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: that's not going to be how this plays out, unfortunately 403 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: for us. 404 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I really think this is something to keep 405 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: in mind. Is anyone who is treating. 406 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: This guy as like some kind of serious reformer of 407 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: US health policy, do not trust anything that they say, 408 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: right Like, keep notes of what fucking media outlets are 409 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: saying this right now, because with RFK Junior, a man 410 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: who says one absolutely like I said a thing earlier 411 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: about suspending research for infectious diseases. 412 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 5: Right. 413 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: He said that like Friday. 414 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: Last Friday, at an anti vaccine conference, he was on 415 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: on like Zoom. 416 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 3: He says this shit literally all the time. 417 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: And if you're a sort of journalist and you're treating 418 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: him as like a semi serious guy and not this 419 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 2: person like, you are not sort of qualified for the 420 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: task of covering what's going to be happening in this administration. 421 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 4: I mean, really, the worst thing about RFK in my opinion, 422 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 4: is that he has ruined the Kennedy conspiracy search results. 423 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 4: If you google Kennedy conspiracy, it sucks now. Now it's 424 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 4: just RFK can spiracy theory beliefs that he has terrible. 425 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 4: It's ruined one of my great hobbies, which is trying 426 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 4: to find new JFK conspiracies. 427 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 3: You know what else is ruining JFK conspiracies? 428 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 4: Probably these ads, because my god, the more time I 429 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 4: have to spend looking at advertisements is less time I 430 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 4: could be reading about how JFK was secretly Okay, we 431 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: are back, miya. I would love to learn more about 432 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: RFK Junior if possible, or maybe some other random guy 433 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 4: who's also bad. What else do you have for me here. 434 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 3: Oh boy, we have from here adderall. 435 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 4: Oh wow, one of my favorite prescription drugs. That's not true. Actually, 436 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 4: I'm actually not on stimulants. Everyone thinks just because I 437 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 4: talk fast and sound like this, I probably am on stimulants. 438 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: This actually isn't true. This is me completely sober. So 439 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 4: just to imagine how worse it would be if I 440 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 4: was on adderall. 441 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So okay, let's do adderall first and then we'll 442 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 2: talk about antidepressants. So, okay, if you've had to get 443 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: adderall and I'm actually not on it, somewhat miraculously, I 444 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 2: don't know, not miraculously whatever. 445 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: It's not my favorite thing, not being on this. 446 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: But you know, if you've tried to attain adderall or 447 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: something like viavants or one of the other sort of 448 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 2: treatments for ADHD, you have probably noticed that there's just shortages. 449 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: And there's two explanations for the shortage. If if you 450 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: read the stuff the Food and Drug Administration says, they're like, oh, 451 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: it's because of labor shortages at drug. 452 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 3: Manufacturing plants, and that's like not really the reason. 453 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: The actual thing that's going on here is that so 454 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 2: these are technically like retricch to substances, right, in order 455 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: to produce substances like this, the DEA sets like a 456 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: quota of the amount of these drugs you were able 457 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: to produce in a year, And the DEA became absolutely 458 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 2: obsessed with like the fact that people were like getting 459 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: hold of other people's adderall and this made them absolutely 460 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 2: lose their fucking mind to start imposing these unbelievably draconian 461 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: production quotas on these stimulants, which is why there's been 462 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: a fucking shortage of them for like three years now. 463 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: It's it's worth noting. On the one hands, you know 464 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: that the FDA has kind of been trying to fight 465 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: the DA on this because the FDA is looking at 466 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: this and it's like, okay, so we just have a 467 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: bunch of people who have ADHD who can't get their mets, 468 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 2: and that can just straight up destroy your life. Like 469 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: getting getting taken off of one of these things immediately 470 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: is really really bad for you. And also like not 471 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 2: having executive function is real bad. But we have the 472 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: mild upside of the fact that DA isn't technically going 473 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 2: to be under RFK Junior's control, but. 474 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 4: Is it going to be under Christy Nomes Control. 475 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just this departments. 476 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 4: Okay, so it could maybe Gates. Well, maybe maybe Gates 477 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 4: because we have we have since learned that that Trump 478 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 4: has conceded that Gates might might not make it through 479 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 4: a Senate confirmation hearing. So we will still see if 480 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 4: these recents appointments are actually going to happen. 481 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we don't know who's going to be running 482 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 3: the Department of Justice. 483 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 2: But Comma, what we do know about RFK Junior is 484 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 2: this quote from futurism quote, I'm going to create these 485 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: wellness farms so they can go get off illegal drugs, 486 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: off opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs if 487 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 2: they want to to get off SSRIs, to get off bezos, 488 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: to get off adderall, and spend as much time as 489 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,239 Speaker 2: they need three or four years if they need it, 490 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: learning to get reparented, to reconnect with communities. So, as 491 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: a lot of people, including futurism have pointed out, he 492 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: is framing this as if it's voluntary. But what this 493 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: is is instead of treating people for like mental health issues, 494 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: you send them to a labor camp to do organic 495 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 2: farming for the government and that's very bad. 496 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: And it's also worth. 497 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: Noting that these programs are be qute unquote voluntary, have 498 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: this sort of nasty way of suddenly becoming involuntary at 499 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: the moment someone's actually in power. So the worst possible 500 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 2: read of this, like the most bleak and dystopian read 501 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: of this, is that this is going to be implemented 502 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: as a method of solving the the indescribable human cost 503 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: of evicting tens of millions of people. One of the 504 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: things that will do was just absolutely obliterate our labor 505 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: supply for agriculture, right, because it turns out that the 506 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: people who actually know how to do agriculture work is 507 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 2: not the white planters who fucking own the farms. So 508 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: this is the thing that could be used to try 509 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: to replace that labor. 510 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 3: Right, I. 511 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: Don't know how much I think that specific one is 512 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: going to happen. It's unclear how you could use the 513 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: power of the state to do this, right, There's not 514 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: a direct path. 515 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, this seems this seems really this seems really goofy. 516 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: Frankly, Yeah, Like I've seen some panic over it, and 517 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 2: it's like, I, I mean, maybe that's a like I 518 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: don't know. Thing that's like a like I don't know. 519 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 2: We're in like year six of the Trump of the 520 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 2: second Trump administration, and like. 521 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I really don't see how they can even get 522 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 4: anywhere close to the numbers for like a voluntary drug 523 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 4: like rehab program that puts you into like agricultural farm work, 524 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 4: that that's not going to replace any of the missing 525 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: farm labor. 526 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 3: No, no, it won't work. 527 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 2: Right even if you could do the compulsory labor thinking 528 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 2: there's not just simply aren't enough people right to do it. 529 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: And also agricultural labor is skilled work, right, like, yeah, 530 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: you actually have to know what you're doing. But comma, 531 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 2: I will, I will mention you know, as this is 532 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: kind of this isn't unlikely but technically possible thing to happen. 533 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: The thing that's more likely to happen is that this 534 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: is a good time to mention that one of the 535 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: organizations that's under how the Human Services is the Substance 536 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, and there are a 537 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: lot of ways using this administration and also just cooperating 538 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 2: with the because again we have to remember this, the 539 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: DA is just unbelievably pissed off at the thought of 540 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 2: like a single person getting their prescription. So I don't 541 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: think it will be hard for RFK Junior to find 542 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: his allies in the Justice Department to intensify the crackdown 543 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: that's already been happening on on things like on things 544 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 2: like adderall and on things like the antidepressants, because you know, 545 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: there's a whole other range of conspiracy theories that when 546 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: we've covered this on the show, right that I have 547 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: to do with, like people who think that, like, oh, 548 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: all all the mass shooters are on antidepressants or whatever, 549 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: and that kind of stuff is that kind of thinking 550 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: is incredibly powerful, and there's a real chance that we 551 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: are about to see a bunch of people who believe 552 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 2: that shit suddenly in control of a bunch of the 553 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: agencies they are supposed to be doing drug regulations. There 554 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: are other things that we can see him do. He's 555 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: going to have some authority over approving new vaccines, which 556 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: is real bad. It's gonna be hard for him to 557 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 2: just like I don't like, he can't just like do 558 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: a vaccine ban. But what he can do is you 559 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: can also fuck with people's insurance covering vaccinations, and he 560 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: can fuck with like to what extent they're recommended by 561 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 2: the government. 562 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 4: This is really a upsetting for the potential like HIV 563 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 4: vaccine that's oh like nearing its completion. 564 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 3: We're going to get to that that. Hold on, give it, 565 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 3: give it one second, because we're getting too that. 566 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: No, okay, so before we get to the fact that 567 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 2: our FI Junior is an HIV AIDS denialist, we need 568 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: to point out one more thing he can do, which 569 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 2: is that he can use the Office of the Inspector 570 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: General as a weapon to you know, I mean it 571 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: is the Office of the Inspector General. And like the 572 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: regular the legal and regulatory capacities of the other agencies 573 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: under Health and Human Services, are they supposed to be 574 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: a thing that you can use to go after drug 575 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: companies for like making vaccines. No, will he be able 576 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: to do it, probably because we are about to enter 577 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: a a era of like law fair and like what 578 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: is it isn't considered legal? That is going to make 579 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: the past like eight years seem like the most functional 580 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: democratic regime the world has ever seen. So we're probably 581 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: going to see that, and we're all going to see 582 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: the effects of RFK Junior's HIV AIDS denihilism, and this 583 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: shit is so I don't know if people even remember this, 584 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: but there was a whole like one of the earlier 585 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: kind of anti VAXX conspiracy movements was about HIV not 586 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: being the cause of AIDS. And it's been so long 587 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: since this has been a public thing that I think 588 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 2: most people have sort of forgotten about it. I think 589 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: Dave Gruel is probably the most famous one of these guys, 590 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: but he was in this camp of people who thought 591 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: that like AIDS was cosmy malnutrition. OURFKG junior not in 592 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: that camp RFKA junior, in an even worse camp of 593 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: people who were just like, oh, yeah, no, it's because 594 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: like gay people were doing poppers. 595 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 3: That like that's his actual thing, right, he thinks that 596 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 3: you think it was poppers? 597 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, he thinks it's because of just literally like quote 598 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: the gay lifestyle is why HIV. Haven't this kind of 599 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: shit wiped out in entire generation of query people. Our 600 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: best hope here is that he's forgotten about most of 601 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: this and is on to more and new, like just 602 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: gets sidetracked on his other conspiracies. Then it's just gets 603 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 2: obsessed with raw milk or whatever. But yeah, this this 604 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: could be really, really fucking bad for if he actually 605 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: decides that this is one of the issues he's going 606 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: to focus on. Right, He's now in charge a bunch 607 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: of the of a bunch of the agencies that like 608 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 2: helps people fucking deal with this, right because agv aids now, 609 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: you know, getting it is on a death sentence, Like 610 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: you can live, you can live a perfectly functioned, normal 611 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: life as long as you have the right medical care. 612 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: And there's as as Garrett was talking about earlier, there's 613 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: there is a pretty promising vaccine that could fucking stop 614 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: this shit. Right, But if this is something that he 615 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: remembers and he focuses on it, there's a real chance 616 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 2: of him using his power to fuck with it because 617 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: he is a kind of homophobic that like up until 618 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: really two or three years ago, had kind of like 619 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: mostly vanished from like the mainstream, even from sort of 620 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: like the heart, like the homophobes tended to have different 621 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 2: homophobia now than like this shit. 622 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is like a classic eighties nineties homophobia. 623 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 624 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. 625 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: And at this point also we need to mention that again, 626 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: one of the officers that he's now in charge of 627 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: is the Office for Civil Rights, the OCR which is cool. 628 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: Like we've talked about. 629 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: On our episodes about transpolicy, He's I don't know. RFK 630 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: Junior is kind of one of those people where it's 631 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: like it's not clear to me if like his heart's 632 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: really in the anti trans stuff. He says all of 633 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: the most hideous anti transshit, right, But that's also like 634 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 2: it's also a pretty recent position that he's adopted. 635 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 4: You mean, yeah, same thing with Trump. 636 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, but now that might not matter, right, Sure. 637 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 4: I'm just saying that these are more recent changes from them. Yeah, yeah, 638 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 4: it kind of reflect a growing shift in politics for 639 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 4: like the GOP and their and their base. Yeah, whereas 640 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 4: like historically Trump has has felt fine sexually harassing trans 641 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 4: women yep, yep, because of their women, because of misogyny, 642 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 4: you know, yeah anyway. 643 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: But you know, but our issue here is that the 644 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: Office of Civil Rights is the office that you're supposed 645 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: to that that's supposed to be the thing that stops 646 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: discrimination in healthcare. Oh okay, And in fact, this is 647 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 2: the organization that the Biden administration had just left trans 648 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: people to them, Bracy of where I like, if your 649 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: healthcare got band, you're supposed to like submit a complaint 650 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: to the ocr so like it's not like an incredibly 651 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: functional agency right now, right, but it's about to get 652 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: a lot worse. There's a couple other things that I 653 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: should mention before we close out here that are I mean, 654 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 2: you could do a full episode on in and of themselves, 655 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 2: but there's just so much shit here. One of them 656 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 2: is that he's also like anti fluoride in drinking water. 657 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, Now. 658 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: This is one where I don't know how much power 659 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: is gonna have to do this because a lot of 660 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: fluoride stuff is done at the local level. 661 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 4: Well luckily for our friends of Bortland, and this won't 662 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 4: affect them at all because there already is no fluoride 663 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 4: in your drinking water yep. 664 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: So our dental health is just fucked because of this. 665 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: He's probably going to use. This is gonna be another 666 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: bully pulpit thing where he uses his position to push 667 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: anti fluoride shit. And I think the last thing I 668 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 2: want to end on is just one of the like cruel, 669 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: petty things that he's probably going to be able to do. 670 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: Is one of the like bugbears of the right is 671 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: that like people on food stamps aren't eating healthy enough food, 672 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: and so we're probably gonna see a bunch of these 673 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: just really hideous restrictions out of what you can buy 674 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 2: with with snap benefits. 675 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 676 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 4: Well, and the rest of these guys also just want 677 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 4: Snap benefits and welfaret to also just like go down 678 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 4: the toilet entirely. 679 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, so they're trying to make them as unusable 680 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: as possible. And again it's like, okay, so like if 681 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: you can only buy on like fresh fruit with this 682 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: and you live in a food desert, yeah, because you're poor, 683 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 2: what the fuck you? 684 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 4: You know, right, It's just it's just compounding classism. 685 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the general trend of this is things are 686 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 2: either going to get monumentally worse or merely sort of worse. 687 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 4: I do love those two options. 688 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, when your best chance is your hope, you're hoping 689 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: the brain worms ate the part of his brain that 690 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 2: remembered this specific conspiracy, you're in real trouble. 691 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 4: I mean, RFK Junior is so emblematic of like the 692 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 4: type of like democrat, kind of wingnut hippie environmental guy 693 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 4: who then slowly has been pivoting to like the right 694 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 4: wing conspiracy sphere. Like you see this with a lot 695 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 4: of like you know, like hippie moms from like the 696 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 4: nineties right who had very like you know, fluoride beliefs, 697 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 4: vaccine beliefs, like all this type of stuff that was 698 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 4: kind of more associated with this like kind of like 699 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 4: slightly conspiratorial wing nutty section of like the left. And 700 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 4: how much that entire sphere has been totally eaten by 701 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 4: the right and now it's a pretty like successful and 702 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 4: reliable voting block for them. And this has only become 703 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 4: more the case under Trump's first term. Yeah, and now 704 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 4: we are seeing it again with these types of guys 705 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 4: not just on like Facebook comments sections, but now actually 706 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 4: like heading up entire departments of state. 707 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 708 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 2: And it's also worth mentioning that part of the reason 709 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: this stuff happens is because it's really profitable. The anti 710 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 2: vaccine lobby, and it is a lobby, has an unbelievable 711 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 2: amount of money. You see a lot of people pivot 712 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 2: towards it. I'm going to close this out by yelling 713 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 2: at there's a media organization called grey Zone, which if 714 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: you've been involved in anti Palestine activism you've probably seen 715 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 2: some of their reporting. They are also like pivoted into 716 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 2: this kind of anti vaccine stuff. And you know, you 717 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: remember remember at the top what I talked about Jay Badachaira, 718 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 2: who's that anti lockdown fanatic who's going to be in 719 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 2: charge of the National Institutes of Health. He is a 720 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 2: guy that, like Grey Zone, interviewed on their fucking website 721 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 2: and put out a bunch of articles in support of 722 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 2: his anti lockdown stuff. Right, And so this is something 723 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 2: that we've been seeing for the last four years, is 724 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 2: a lot of people who are supposed to be leftists 725 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 2: pivoting towards anti vax stuff. To be door is another 726 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 2: example of this. Yes, yes, literally purely because it makes 727 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 2: you a lot of money. And now that now these 728 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 2: grifters just have their guy in office, and all of 729 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: us are going to have to live with the consequences 730 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 2: of it unless unless we stop this jackass from being 731 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 2: put into office, which is not impossible. It's it's it's 732 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 2: not without hope. This guy has a lot of enemies, 733 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: both among like the people and also in corporate America. 734 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 4: So and also in the animal kingdom. 735 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. He has many enemies. The families 736 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 3: of the dead carcasses he draws around. 737 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 4: Well, and the families of the microbials in those carcasses 738 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 4: which have warmed their way literally into his brain. 739 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it could happen Here is a production of cool 740 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit 741 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,399 Speaker 1: our website fool zonemedia dot com, or check us out 742 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. 743 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 4: You listen to podcasts. 744 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: You can now find sources for it could Happen here 745 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: listed directly in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.