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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the Trump family and UFC are

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Speaker 1: now selling twelve thousand dollars Freedom two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: themed coins. As one does. We have such a great

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Speaker 1: show for you today. Hunter Biden steps by to talk

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Speaker 1: talk to the mid Coast villagers Alex Siteswald about why

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Speaker 1: main voters are for the most part, sticking with Graham Platner.

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Speaker 2: But first the news, So Molly, I will be straight

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Speaker 2: with you. One of the most bougie things about me

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Speaker 2: and we often talk and he tells me about beef prices.

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Speaker 2: So they have repeatedly apologized their customers because beef is

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Speaker 2: such as this high gas and other things. But they

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Speaker 2: have no idea what's coming If this screwworm thing happens,

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Speaker 2: how bad this is going to be for people like us.

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Speaker 1: So in our next episode, not this episode, but the

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Speaker 1: episode next you're going to hear all about screwworms and

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Speaker 1: how hard it is to get rid of them, and

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Speaker 1: the many things in the nineteen fifties that our government

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Speaker 1: did to get rid of screwworms. All I can say

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Speaker 1: This is my knowledge of screwworms. Here's the deal. Screwworms

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Speaker 1: are tiny parasites that burrow into your skin. You know

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Speaker 1: how you know you've been infected by screwworms? Tell me

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Speaker 1: because you can see them moving in your skin.

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Speaker 1: Or feel them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Here's who's at fault for screwworms?

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Speaker 1: Elon mush It's his fault now, Actually, the person we

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Speaker 1: I mean, so he's saying that people from Central America

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Speaker 1: The government programs that monitored screwworms were cut, and that

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Speaker 1: is Elon Musk's fault. So if we're going to blame anyone,

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Speaker 1: we're going to blame the richest man in the world,

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Speaker 2: the American people not happy. Okay, we need to go

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Speaker 2: over to California. Every one of the stupidest people you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to remind people, this is California. It

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is from CNBC. Like you know, so

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Speaker 1: East peace negotiator Steve Witcough. In case you're wondering, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we do have peace in the Middle East, just not

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Speaker 3: Molly.

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Speaker 2: Last night at the next game, Trump was with Waltz

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Speaker 2: Nada and I was like, oh, yes, my first name

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Speaker 2: one yes, so another name from the past and Trump World,

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Speaker 2: Well, he's a Trump attorney and he was involved in

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Speaker 5: I mean, forget about the next game. I've seen him

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Speaker 5: Million dollars in fees alone but annually.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's negotiating peace in the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, without an official role in the United States government.

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Speaker 5: Because I think that they're all a part of a

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Speaker 5: or you know, up in Marth's vineyards or wherever the

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Speaker 5: fuck they go. Is that Jobiden went home every day.

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Speaker 5: He was never a part of that club.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: He was the guy that went to the University of

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Speaker 5: Delaware in Syracuse law school and had a chip on

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Speaker 5: the shoulder against all of them. Even when he became

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Speaker 5: the longest serving chairman of both the Judiciary and the

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Speaker 5: Foreign Relations Committee. He knew them all, but he was

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Speaker 5: never a part of that club. And they all sit

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Speaker 5: around and you know this, and they all Republican Democrat together.

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Speaker 5: They're all a part of the same circle. And so

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Speaker 5: that's what I think it is. I think that there

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Speaker 5: is a you know it was. I think that they're

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Speaker 5: intimidated by him. I think that they are. Uh and

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Speaker 5: but look at the look at the media landscape as

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Speaker 5: it is right now, they're all, I mean not all,

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Speaker 5: but yeah, co Ed, I'm talking too much.

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Speaker 1: No, it's good your job, you're here to talk. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: But but no, It's true. I have plenty of time

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Speaker 1: to talk in the rest of my life. But the

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Speaker 1: but what I think the thing that I think it is,

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Speaker 1: and you tell me if I'm wrong, because it's just

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Speaker 1: a guess, is that Joe Biden was a working class guy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly exactly, That's what that That is exactly what

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Speaker 5: I'm at. And he was always an outsider and beloved

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Speaker 5: and by part of but he was always outside of

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Speaker 5: that circle. Let me give me a thing that I

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Speaker 5: want to remind everybody. When everybody was calling for my

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Speaker 5: dad to drop out after the debate, do you know

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Speaker 5: who didn't call them to him to drop out? Black

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Speaker 5: Caucus didn't call for him to drop out, The Hispanic

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Speaker 5: caucus didn't call for him to drop out. The outside

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Speaker 5: of Progressive caucus didn't call for him to drop out.

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Speaker 5: And you know why because none of them are part

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Speaker 5: of the club and all of them, and all of

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Speaker 5: them knew and believed in Joe Biden. And but I

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Speaker 5: will say this is that you know, there is this

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Speaker 5: this uh you know, very powerful group of people and

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Speaker 5: they all go to the same dinner parties and they

476
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Speaker 5: are all part of the same financial ecosystem that continues

477
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Speaker 5: to fill their pockets in the in the Democratic Party

478
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Speaker 5: in which you know that are all connected to the

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Speaker 5: money part of the Democratic Party, which I think is

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Speaker 5: the one thing that makes it very, very very difficult

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Speaker 5: for the Democratic Party to ever actually achieve the real

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Speaker 5: systemic change that we need in order to rehability, rehabilitate

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Speaker 5: that brand. We need a new new deal, you know,

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Speaker 5: we need somebody to come and break it. And those

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Speaker 5: people aren't part of that, you know, I mean, are

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Speaker 5: aren't on board for that, and still aren't on board

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Speaker 5: for that. That's why I look at candidates. I look

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Speaker 5: at Zuramandani. Okay, all these guys, all these talking heads,

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Speaker 5: and I don't have to name names, you know, the

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Speaker 5: ones that I have the most problems with. Everybody does

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Speaker 5: by now. But you know, this is the end of

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party, David. Actually, this is going to be

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Speaker 5: the you know, this is going to be the death

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Speaker 5: of you know, Democratic Party that you know, Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: His position on Israel makes a goddamn bit of difference

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Speaker 5: with the Mayor of New York City thinks about Evan

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Speaker 5: Israel and what Zoramandanni donn. He made promises and he's

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Speaker 5: keeping all of them. He is absolutely on running a

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Speaker 5: masterclas on governance. He's running a master class on communication.

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Speaker 5: He's running a master class on how to get things done,

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Speaker 5: and and meanwhile, what are we doing. We're now eating

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Speaker 5: our own in terms of people that are stepping out

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Speaker 5: and talking about you know, things like universal healthcare, whatever

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Speaker 5: label that you want to put on it. Seventy percent

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Speaker 5: of the American people believe in that. But for somehow,

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Speaker 5: by the corporate business in our party, we're still you know,

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Speaker 5: kind of convinced that you know that there's you know,

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Speaker 5: there's a middle way here.

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Speaker 4: There's not.

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Speaker 5: And so I think that more than anything, is that

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Speaker 5: it's time that we kind of, you know, usher out

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Speaker 5: some of that, you know, the moneyed power inside the party.

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Speaker 1: You kind of become a little bit of a populist

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Speaker 1: hero like. Your attitude is much more the attitude that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in the party would like to

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Speaker 1: see in their politicians. It makes me think that there

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Speaker 1: was someone who was giving your dad some bad direction

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Speaker 1: if you were to, I mean, are there people in

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Speaker 1: the inside who were giving him bad advice?

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Speaker 4: You think?

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Speaker 5: I really don't know to be able to speak to

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Speaker 5: that in terms of it, because at the end of

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Speaker 5: the day, the truth of the matter is that regardless

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Speaker 5: of the of the advice. My dad would be is

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Speaker 5: the first person to say this is the responsibility is his.

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Speaker 5: And I am incredibly proud of the record that Divides

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Speaker 5: administration had. They got more legislation passed in a four

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Speaker 5: year period of time than any president since Lynda being

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Speaker 5: cons in four years. They had better mid terms than

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Speaker 5: any incumbent president, than any president since Franklin, eleanor Roosevelt.

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Speaker 5: He was able to rebuild NATO and actually add to

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Speaker 5: it for the first time in sixty years with Finland

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Speaker 5: and Sweden, and so his presence on the global stage,

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Speaker 5: the things that he did. But in terms of communication, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was an abysmal failure. And one of

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Speaker 5: the things, this is the most important thing that a

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Speaker 5: president does, is the bullhorn for the for the country.

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Speaker 5: And I just think that they had a really poor

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Speaker 5: communications plan. And by the way, you know, we're Democrats,

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Speaker 5: that's part of the reason. But the but, and by

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Speaker 5: the and and also you ran into the buzzsaw of

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Speaker 5: this of this once in a lifetime, hopefully only once

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Speaker 5: in a lifetime monstrosity. Uh, this cult of personality, Uh,

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Speaker 5: this juggernaut of a proportion that I have never seen

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Speaker 5: before in politics and you ask the question like I

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Speaker 5: think that, like why does the press treat him the

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Speaker 5: way that that he does and doesn't call him out

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Speaker 5: on the things that he should be called out on.

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Speaker 5: Is because they love the show, because it sells tickets.

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Speaker 5: It produces clicks. You know, it doesn't produce a clique

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Speaker 5: a story about Donald Trump getting gold. What does produce

552
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Speaker 5: quicks is how many times has Donald Trump, now over

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Speaker 5: the past one hundred and seventy days, told us that

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Speaker 5: the war and Iran is over? How many times is

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Speaker 5: the market gonna spike and all of his cronies make

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Speaker 5: an enormous amount of money when he says the straight

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Speaker 5: of Hormos is open? I mean literally, how many times

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Speaker 5: can he How much has the press forgotten about this?

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Speaker 5: On day one? I will end the war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: I will end it before I even get inaugurated. I mean,

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Speaker 5: we're not even remotely even closer. Isn't kept one promise?

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Speaker 1: No Hunter, Thank you, thank you, thank you. I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll come back.

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Speaker 5: I've come back all the time. I love you, Molly,

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Speaker 5: You're the best night. I really appreciate it, so thank you.

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Speaker 1: Alex sites Wald is an editor of the Mid Coast Villager. Welcome, Welcome, Alex,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for me about you. Okay, so you

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Speaker 1: moved to Maine for a quieter, simple life. You've been

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Speaker 1: writing about politics for NBC. Now you're in Maine and

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Speaker 1: there's the Senate race to end all Sentate risis.

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Speaker 4: Yes, not intentional.

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Speaker 6: I feel like I made some kind of terrible monkey

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Speaker 6: pop wish. I moved to Maine to take care of

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Speaker 6: my mom, kept working for NBC News, where I had

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Speaker 6: been for ten years, been fifteen years in DC overall.

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Speaker 4: And then this local.

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Speaker 6: Newspaper started up that I was just totally smitten with that.

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Speaker 6: I was so impressed with their first issue and then

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Speaker 6: their second issue and their third issue, and they were

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Speaker 6: looking for somebody to come help them do internet.

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Speaker 4: And I've done some Internet in my days.

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Speaker 6: And I was kind of burned down on politics after

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Speaker 6: the twenty twenty four election and thought this is great,

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Speaker 6: I'll go cover small town stuff and thought I was

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Speaker 6: done for politics. And then Grant Platner happened, and they

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Speaker 6: pulled me right back.

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Speaker 1: In Lighthouse's clam bait. Not what's happening now? So I

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Speaker 1: have you here to talk about a bunch of things,

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Speaker 1: But what I really want from you is what it's

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Speaker 1: like right now in Maine. First, I think you should

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Speaker 1: talk about the way that Maine breaks because Maine is

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Speaker 1: like kind of two states.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Maine is weird in a bunch of ways, and

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Speaker 6: it's a blue state, like it hasn't voted for Republican

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Speaker 6: president since George hw Bush. But we keep reelecting Susan

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Speaker 6: Collins with split ticket voters. So in twenty twenty, something

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Speaker 6: like fifty seven thousand people voted for Joe Biden and

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Speaker 6: then voted for Susan Collins. And if you go further

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Speaker 6: back in time, her margins are even bigger. So no

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Speaker 6: one should discount Susan Collins or thinks that this is

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Speaker 6: a layup. There's been this feeling among main Democrats before

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Speaker 6: even Platner got in the race, that they had tried

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Speaker 6: the usual candidates, they had tried the safe candidates, they

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Speaker 6: were looking for someone new.

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Speaker 1: You're thinking about Sarah Gideon.

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Speaker 6: Sarah Gideon in twenty twenty, yep, who spent twice as

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Speaker 6: much as Susan Collins and still lost by nine percentage points.

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Speaker 1: And she was very normal seeming Democrat, that's right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she was the former speaker of the state House.

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Speaker 6: You know, nice family, squeaky clean, nothing controversial about her. Although,

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Speaker 6: and this is important for the Platiner context, she did

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Speaker 6: have this perception that she had a hard time shaking

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Speaker 6: that she was from away, which is a very main conception.

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Speaker 6: There's mayners and then there's from away, and like, I'm

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Speaker 6: not a mayor, I will never be a manor.

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Speaker 4: Because you have to be born in Maine, you can

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Speaker 4: earn it.

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Speaker 6: But she was not perceived as earning it, whereas Graham

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Speaker 6: Plattner is perceived as the manoriest manor that ever did Maine,

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Speaker 6: and he's kind of, i think, effectively weaponized that feeling,

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Speaker 6: that kind of chip on the shoulder that maners have

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Speaker 6: in saying these attacks on me are attacks on you,

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Speaker 6: attacks on the state, kind of the same way.

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Speaker 4: You know, Trump has has done that with his supporters.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it did seem like, from what I understand

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Speaker 1: about Maine, there's a big divide between the city and

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Speaker 1: the rest of the state, the two states in one.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So we have two congressional districts and they kind

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Speaker 6: of roughly coincide with the two mains, which are basically

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Speaker 6: the southern coastal portion is progressive and relatively affluent, but

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Speaker 6: then this vast interior is conservative, very rural.

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Speaker 4: One of the most rural states in the country.

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Speaker 6: So the second congressional district voted for Trump by ten

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Speaker 6: percentage points, while the overall state voted for Biden by four.

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Speaker 6: That's the two mains in a nutshell. But of course

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Speaker 6: you can go into any town and find examples of

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Speaker 6: both mains there.

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Speaker 1: Right, So Maine two has a sort of what I've

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Speaker 1: always heard is Maine two is closer to West Virginia

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Speaker 1: and Maine one is closer to New York or Greenwich or.

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Speaker 4: Whatever, or Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so I'd love you to explain to us.

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Speaker 1: Sara Gideon was from that sort of the Portland Maine,

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Speaker 1: the fancy main.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 6: She was from Freeport, which is where Llban is. It's

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Speaker 6: where the outlet stores are. It's just outside of Portland.

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Speaker 6: And then the further up the coast you go until

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Speaker 6: you start going literally down east. That's why they call

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Speaker 6: it that, because the coast goes over or the further

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Speaker 6: inland you go, the poorer, the more conservative, the more rural,

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Speaker 6: and it really does look like Appalachia. In a lot

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Speaker 6: of places. I mean, these are really poor towns. And

655
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Speaker 6: then on the coast you have an enormous amount of money,

656
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Speaker 6: although a lot of it is seasonal, not people who

657
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 6: live here year round.

658
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Speaker 1: Right, But it doesn't matter because they pay taxes, right,

659
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: so you get them tax revenue. Explain to us where

660
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: Platner is from and if he's sort of channeled that.

661
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 6: So platters from a town called Sullivan, which is down

662
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 6: east kind of just passed where you would turn off

663
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Speaker 6: to go to Acadia and Bar Harbor if you're coming here.

664
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Speaker 6: It's a small town about a thousand people on the coast,

665
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 6: like a lot of other towns on the coast, you know,

666
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 6: fishing industry, oyster industry. He's an oysterman and his parents

667
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 6: his family comes from you know, a wealthier, more up

668
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 6: middle class background, not from Maine. And that is a

669
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 6: kind of pattern that we see here where the first generation,

670
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 6: you know, summer's here, vacations here, and then the second

671
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 6: generation maybe moves here full time but kind of retains

672
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 6: a professional identity. Grand Platner's dad was a lawyer, and

673
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 6: then sometimes the third generation just goes full towny.

674
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Speaker 4: That's Grand Platiner.

675
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 6: You know, didn't really do well in school, lasted a

676
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 6: few months at a fancy boarding school that his parents

677
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 6: sent him to. Wanted to be a soldier his whole

678
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 6: life and work with his hands, and that is a

679
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 6: type that exists here.

680
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: And he looks like a lot of guys.

681
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 6: If we went down to the waterfront, you know, right now,

682
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 6: or walked around town, we could probably find a guy

683
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 6: who looks like grand Platiner. And I do think that's

684
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 6: been a big part of his success, is that people

685
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 6: just kind of instantly relate to him. They feel like

686
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 6: they know him, even if they have never actually met him.

687
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so fast forward. Grand Platner has a plethora of problems, right,

688
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: none of them are as bad as voting for all

689
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: of Trump's bills. But it feels like we don't have

690
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: all of them. We have allegations of this and that

691
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: and timing, and maybe he, you know, sent messages to women,

692
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: though we don't have those women coming forward. But we

693
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 1: do have a woman who worked for the Heritage Foundation.

694
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: We have another woman. I feel like they're on the

695
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: edge of allegations of domestic violence, but they're not. You know,

696
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: nobody is saying that he sent them to the hospital.

697
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: But none of it sounds good. But none of it

698
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: is a smoking gun, or at least it's not the

699
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: smoking gun that I would consider. I mean, it's not good,

700
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: and as a feminist, I don't like any of it,

701
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: and I just want to move out of this country

702
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: and live somewhere where it's not so insane. But we

703
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: don't quite have something that is like a Roy Moore situation,

704
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: but we certainly have just on the edges something that

705
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: feels icky.

706
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's smoke, even if we don't necessarily have a

707
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 6: full blown fire. And of course there was also the tattoo,

708
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 6: the Nazi tattoo that he says he didn't know was

709
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 6: a Nazi tattoo.

710
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 4: The Reddit posts he does have.

711
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: A Jewish stepfather and a Jewish stepsister, and he did

712
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: the whrror at their wedding. I mean, it's not like

713
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: I don't know the Nazi tan two feels to me

714
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: like that doesn't I don't think he's a Nazi, like yeah,

715
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: but I do think there's the women stuff like that

716
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: seems much more problematic.

717
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 4: In my mind totally.

718
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 6: And I think that this latest round of scandals has

719
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 6: hit very differently from the earlier tattoo and read it

720
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 6: stuff because of that. Yeah, the video of him shirtless

721
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 6: at the wedding that was his Jewish half brother's wedding,

722
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 6: who he now lives in Israel and is like a

723
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 6: fairly well known Zionist public intellectual in Israel. I talked

724
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 6: to one of his best friends, who's bar Mitzvah he

725
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 6: went to. So it doesn't seem like it was the

726
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 6: tip of a Nazi iceberg, whereas this is about his

727
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 6: treatment for women. There could be an iceberg underneath there,

728
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 6: and so it could be that we're just seeing, you know.

729
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: We just have no idea, right.

730
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 6: That's the thing that I think is disturbing a lot

731
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 6: of people, and a lot of women, especially that I've

732
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 6: talked to, who feel like they've been put in this

733
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 6: really tough situation of they really believed in him, or

734
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 6: a lot of his supporters really believed him, thought he

735
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 6: was different, and they feel so disappointed. Heartbreaking was a

736
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 6: word that somebody used to me, and just cynical about

737
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 6: politics overall, like you're saying, you know, they just want

738
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 6: to leave the country because they thought they finally found

739
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 6: this good guy who was different and then he's not

740
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 6: but on the other option, likely is Susan Collins, who

741
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 6: you know effectively paved the way for Roe v. Wade

742
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 6: to be overturned and so many other things. So there's

743
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 6: a lot of frustration, there's a lot of anger at

744
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 6: him about what he's his wife is being put through this,

745
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 6: and she's from the next tonover from where I am,

746
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 6: so I know people.

747
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 4: Who know her personally.

748
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 6: But also you know, I was just having a conversation

749
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 6: with my neighbor yesterday about this, who very uncomfortable with

750
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 6: Graham Platner. But then when I asked her in November,

751
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 6: what are you going to do? She didn't hesitate, of course,

752
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 6: although for him if he's the nominee.

753
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So first I want to talk about domestic violence

754
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: in May, very.

755
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 6: Real, very prevalent, as it probably is everywhere. If you

756
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 6: walk in like any town, you'll see these posters of

757
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 6: a group called Into the Light saying come forward if

758
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 6: you're in a relationship or in a bad relationship, there's

759
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 6: help for you.

760
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: It's a very real issue.

761
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 6: The winters are long here and the work is very seasonal,

762
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 6: so a lot of people who work in more with

763
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 6: their hands are in blue collar work. There's a saying,

764
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 6: you know, you're rich in September and poor by March,

765
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 6: and over those long winters when money is tight, you know,

766
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 6: drinking that we have just like anywhere, we have a

767
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 6: lot of alcohol, a lot of drugs, and bad things

768
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 6: absolutely happen.

769
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so do you think that that means that

770
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: maynards have a different relationship with domestic violence or whatever

771
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: this is. But it's not great. But it's not domestic

772
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: violence yet and it might never be, but it's certainly

773
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Speaker 1: it's not what I would date. Do you think there's

774
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: a sense that this is not as disqualifying as it

775
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: might be somewhere where the winters aren't as long and go.

776
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 6: It's a really good question, and it's hard for me

777
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 6: to say, and it's certainly out of keeping. Like the

778
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 6: main political culture historically has been very much in the

779
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 6: Susan Collins or Angus King, o other senator who's an independent,

780
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 6: you know, these moderate, very temperamentally neutralled, squeaky clean, personally

781
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 6: kind of figures.

782
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: So Platner is a total break from that.

783
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 6: At the same time, I do think there is a

784
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 6: kind of more general acceptance of non saints being in

785
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 6: public office.

786
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 4: You know, this is New England direct democracy.

787
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 6: We have a lot of offices that need to be

788
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 6: filled every year in these small towns, and there's sometimes

789
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 6: kind of an effort to go out and find someone

790
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 6: willing to run for these things.

791
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 4: So you end up with you know, your neighbor.

792
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 6: Who had a dui, or the guy who you've heard

793
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 6: rumors worth, or the or the woman you you know,

794
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 6: thought you had a bad disagreement with whatever. You end

795
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 6: up with people in public office who do have more

796
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 6: checker backgrounds.

797
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: And because it's not a super wealthy.

798
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 6: Place, there's not like a huge crop of lawyers and

799
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 6: businessmen and professionals waiting around. So it's a really good question,

800
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 6: and I think people are very down with the redemption arc.

801
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 6: We're into this whole idea he had come back from

802
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 6: combat PTSD, was in a dark place and drinking too much,

803
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 6: and then he moved home to Maine, got involved with

804
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 6: his business, met his now wife, and you went on

805
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 6: a brighter path. So part of what these allegations have

806
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 6: these more recent allegations have done is kind of puncture

807
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 6: that that narrative, like these texts, these sex messages that

808
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 6: he was sending with women early in his marriage. He

809
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 6: only got married in twenty twenty three, right, so that's

810
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 6: not that long ago, and he still had a kick

811
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 6: account active until two weeks ago or whatever. It's a

812
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 6: really tricky thing, and I think what you're seeing a

813
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 6: lot of Democrats here doing is compartmentalizing and trying to

814
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 6: separate him the person, from him the potential senator and

815
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 6: how he would potentially vote.

816
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Jesse has a question here that I'm going to read

817
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: to you because I think it's interesting. So months ago

818
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: he sort of asked Democrats if they were going to

819
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: abandon him, and they felt they weren't. Do you think

820
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: that's true now or do you see a change?

821
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 6: I think in general, like it was an open question

822
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 6: for me a week ago, but there has not been

823
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 6: somewhat to my surprise, there has not been a mass

824
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 6: defection at all of Democrats. I haven't seen any elected

825
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 6: official break with him. I haven't yet seen anyone who

826
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 6: was previously supporting him say they're now voting for Susan

827
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 6: Collins or going to sit out the election.

828
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 4: What there is a lot of is.

829
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 6: Discomfort, queasiness, unease, And it wouldn't take that many Democrats

830
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 6: or independents who have voted Democrat in the past to

831
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 6: just decide, you know, I'm not going to vote or

832
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 6: I'm going to just I'm gonna stick with Collins because

833
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 6: I know her to tip this thing back in her direction,

834
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 6: because she wins with Democrats by being reasonable, by being

835
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 6: a good responsive senator, by bringing a lot of money

836
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 6: back to the state, and by being the devil, you know,

837
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 6: instead of this new guy who you know, who knows

838
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 6: what's under the hood.

839
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: There interesting, So you don't feel like people are basically

840
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: stucking with him, but they're certainly anxiety.

841
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 6: Yes, and at least there isn't a mass defection, you know,

842
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 6: are there some who are very possibly, but there hasn't

843
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 6: been any kind of like mass wave.

844
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: Okay, do you think there's enough of people being like

845
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: the sort of trumpy thing of they're trying to hurt

846
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: him because he's one of oz or because there's like

847
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: a certain over identification with the candidate. Do you think

848
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: that's real. Have you talked to people in Maine where

849
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: you've been like, oh, you are having some kind of

850
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: interesting psychodrama with the candidate.

851
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 6: One thousand percent. I think that's a big thing about

852
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 6: what's going on here. I had a Planner supporter the

853
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 6: other day tell me that they felt like they understood

854
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 6: what it must be like to be a Trump voter

855
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 6: for the first time in their life, being misunderstood, maligned

856
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 6: by the national media, feeling like the outside world doesn't

857
00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 6: understand their candidate, and by extension, who they are, and

858
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 6: the scandals in the fall, his supporters, you know, sticking

859
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 6: with him through that and then him ultimately overcoming that.

860
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 6: I think that kind of like forged a parasocial trauma

861
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 6: bond with a lot of his supporters, And if you

862
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 6: go to one of his rallies, he is very compelling,

863
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 6: like he is a very gifted communicator. Say whatever else

864
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 6: you will about him, and he engages the audience, and people,

865
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 6: you know, leave feeling touched, feeling moved in a way

866
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 6: that I haven't seen very often. I mean, to your question,

867
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 6: the emotional connection that I see between Graham Plattner and

868
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 6: his supporters I haven't seen since anyone since Donald Trump

869
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 6: or Bernie Sanders. It's that deep and that personal. Is

870
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 6: that enough to win in November? No, because you need

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Speaker 6: not just your hardcore base to win, and the challenge

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Speaker 6: for him all along is expanding beyond that, but it

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Speaker 6: gives him this kind of rock solid chunk of the

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Speaker 6: electorate that can keep him steady and prevent you know,

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Speaker 6: him from being pushed aside, or so he hopes at

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Speaker 6: least in less else comes out.

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Speaker 1: If he can do the Trump thing of getting out

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Speaker 1: the ones and twos, the low frequency non registered voters,

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Speaker 1: the white guys who don't vote in elections, and watch

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan being at those guys, then he can win. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's a Trump mistake. You can't underestimate those guys.

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Speaker 6: And it's really hard to count those guys in polls

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Speaker 6: or because they don't show up in your typical screening

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Speaker 6: for what the electorate looks like.

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Speaker 4: So I do think he has potential there.

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Speaker 6: That said, Maine has one of the highest voter turnouts

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Speaker 6: in the country, so there's not a lot of like

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Speaker 6: extra juice to squeeze there. And the real swing voters

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Speaker 6: for Collins at least have been educated, older women on

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Speaker 6: the coast who vote Democratic but like Susan Collins, or

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Speaker 6: at least you know, kind of trust Susan Collins, thinks

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Speaker 6: she's a reasonable, safe choice, and all along that's been

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Speaker 6: the group that I've worried on partner's behalf that he

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Speaker 6: would have the hardest trouble reaching and I think these

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Speaker 6: allegations are only going to make it harder for them.

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Speaker 1: Give us one second, Just tell us about your newspaper.

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Speaker 6: Mid Coast Filder, amazing local newspaper that covers NOx and

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Speaker 6: Waldo County in mid coast Maine. We have a cafe

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Speaker 6: beneath our newsroom right in downtown Camden, where we meet

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Speaker 6: with residents here their concerns. Every Friday, I host kind

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Speaker 6: of open office hours where anybody can come and pitch

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Speaker 6: a story or complain about a headline. We do live

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Speaker 6: events there. We're just trying to be transparent, responsive, but

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Speaker 6: also fun and delightful.

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Speaker 4: We're a weekly print newspaper.

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Speaker 6: No one needs a print newspaper in their lives these days,

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Speaker 6: so we.

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Speaker 4: Trying to make it a really enjoyable experience.

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Speaker 6: Of course, we you know, we're online and Instagram and

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Speaker 6: we do all the all the twenty first entry stuff too,

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Speaker 6: but especially in these small towns, it's just we just

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Speaker 6: want to enrich and build community, and I think we're

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Speaker 6: doing a great job. We're just in the Boston Globe

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Speaker 6: with a nice story and we've gotten some other press coverage,

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Speaker 6: so subscribe to your local newspaper.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so your life is a Hallmark movie.

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Speaker 6: My life is like the twenty not the eight twenty

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Speaker 6: four version of the Hallmarket the A twenty four.

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Speaker 4: A Hallmark movie.

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Speaker 6: You know they like what happens after the heavily after after,

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Speaker 6: and it's it's great, but it's also filled with all

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Speaker 6: the normal annoying things of life and work and childcare.

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Speaker 1: Alex, will you come back please?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I would love to.

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Speaker 1: The moment Jesse Cannon by junk Fast.

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Speaker 2: So more fuckery inside the EPA, the scientists are saying

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Speaker 2: they're being pushed to downplay potential risks of household products.

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Speaker 2: You know what, people love being poisoned by things in

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Speaker 2: their home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about this. This is maha. I

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Speaker 1: was told that RFK Junior was going to fuck with vaccines,

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Speaker 1: but that he would make America healthy again. This is

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Speaker 1: not that. EPA scientists report. Political appointees are pressuring them

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Speaker 1: to all their safety reviews of consumer chemicals, citing explicit

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Speaker 1: instructions to downplay risk manufacturers safe outcomes, contradicting official and

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Speaker 1: agency claims. Political appointees are basically trying to make doctor,

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Speaker 1: make scientists lie about the safety of things so that

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Speaker 1: you get cancer. I mean, this is just so incredibly

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Speaker 1: fucked up, and this is like absolutely where we thought

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Speaker 1: this would go. And I think it's worth realizing that,

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Speaker 1: like you were lied to by OURFK junior. Our FK

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Speaker 1: Junior does not give a fuck about ending chemicals or

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Speaker 1: ending you know, all those sort of bad stuff. It's bullshit.

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Speaker 1: It's he just was lying to people. And you know,

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Speaker 1: all those people who thought he was going to make

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Speaker 1: America healthy again, he was not.

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Speaker 3: That is correct.

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