1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: And Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lollly. He 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and uh, well, let's see spicy. 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: Hot, pretty toasty. 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is warm out there, heat wave it in the. 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 3: Whole Eastern coast from. 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: What I understand, right, Yeah, absolutely, But I did before 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: we get started here into the show, I want to 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: offer a point of clarification on something we talked about 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: on Monday with Governor Josh Shapiro. Oh yeah, in Pennsylvania. 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: Apparently the AP wrote a story about this, which is 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: what everybody picked up. Yeah, yeah, it's the Associated Press 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: and didn't accurately express us what Shapiro had said regard 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: he kind of screwed it up a little bit. Now 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: while he did say that right now, he's probably probably 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: can't think about any kind of money being used for 19 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: sports dadium. There's budget situations, there's you know, just some uncertainty. 20 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: He said. What he actually said after that, trying to 21 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: find the right spot here. It's always a balance where 22 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: We've got a great communication with Jeffrey Jeffrey Lori and 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: Art Rooney, and we're going to continue dialogue with them 24 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: about what they need and what's possible. 25 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: Okay. So that's completely different, a lot different than what 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: we're talking about there. Yeah right, So it sounds like 27 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: they're open to helping. Yeah, yeah, okay, So that's the 28 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: juxta of it all. So I didn't want to I'm glad. 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't apply to the Steelers the next 30 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: year or two or whatever, but. 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: Nor are they asking for anything, right, right, right, right. 32 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: But I do know, for example, like the state in 33 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: the city are working with the Steelers for the draft stuff. 34 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'm so out of the loop on all 35 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: those type of things, you know, football, football, football, But 36 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: I would imagine it's massive. I mean, because of the Steelers, 37 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 3: a great amount of revenue is coming to town next April, 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: you know, so they certainly should be very helpful in 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: that regard, I would think. 40 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: So, you know, there's a lot going on there, a 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: lot of moving parts. 42 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: Okay, but the ap got it wrong, Okay, So that's good, 43 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: cleared it up. It might come into play a decade 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: from now, who knows. 45 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: You just don't know. In terms of the league itself. 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: Not a lot going on. 47 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: There, really, is it. I Mean, there's like no news, 48 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: like the lead story is Aaron Rodgers on McAfee says, 49 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: this is probably my last year. That's not even like 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: hardly news, you know what I mean. It's like casually 51 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: talking to his friend like this is maybe my last year. 52 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: That's like the headline on ESPN dot com right now 53 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: or NFL. 54 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: Do more than likely this was it? 55 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: Right right? 56 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: Well, you signed a one. 57 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 3: Year deal and you're not young. Yeah, yeah, I think 58 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: we all kind of knew that. 59 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: And the Steelers want to draft. 60 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: Quarterback right right right? I mean I can't what would 61 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: it take that you think team and player would both 62 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: be like, let's run it back. Have to be a 63 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: pretty darn good year, you know, and an injury for 64 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: a year, I mean run to the sc chance if 65 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: you were a Super Bowl contender or boll you lost 66 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: the heartbreaker in the divisional round or something like that. 67 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: Not that he's an MVP, but playing at a high level, 68 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: better than he ever played with the Jets. Bodies feeling good, maybe, 69 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: you know, and you still probably draft one, right, you know, 70 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: I don't know what could change the draft plan. I 71 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: guess it's the better way. And that's the thing. 72 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you can look at this and say, well, 73 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: it's news because he said it, which I get because 74 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: she's a big name guy said yeah, yeah, yeah, But 75 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: at the same time, it's not really news news no. 76 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 3: I mean, if he would have said that in training camp, 77 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 3: it would have been a blurb somewhere. Now there's just 78 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 3: nothing else to talk about, so it's a headline, you know, 79 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: you know, but no, I think that'd be expected. Yeah, 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: if you guys were all huddled around him in his 81 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: tenth practice at training camp, he's like, that's probably will 82 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 3: be my last year. Okay, it'd make stories, but it 83 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 3: wouldn't break break though. 84 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: It's kind of like Ben's last year. Everybody kind of 85 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: knew it was Ben's last year. He just he never 86 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: came out and said it until he like the very end. 87 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's no reason they have to 88 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: say it either if they know deep down to take that. 89 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: One way or the other. Right, right, right, But this 90 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: is it for me or you know, it just depends 91 00:04:59,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: on the player. 92 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: One thing I dislike that I do think has changed 93 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: over the years and kind of shows our age. It 94 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: used to you know, there used to be a players 95 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: thinking about retirement. He's already out the door. And that's 96 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: that's like thirty years ago, you know what I mean. 97 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: But there's definitely listeners who still think that, you know, 98 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: because I've gotten tweets about it. 99 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: Oh, because Chuck Nole said it. 100 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: Because Chuck Nole said it, right, And I understand the logic, 101 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: especially then, Okay, if their heart's not in it, in 102 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: their habit, but that doesn't the world's changed so much 103 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: since then too. They have so much more money. They's 104 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: so many more options. You know that, they've brands. 105 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. The difference to me is that back then, if 106 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: you were thinking about retirement, you were already doing your 107 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: other off season job. 108 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: Because you had to, right right, Yeah, these guys already 109 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: are doing stuff anyways. Or yeah, they could pick it 110 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: up in two seconds and get hired work or whatever. 111 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: They've got their network in place, their training is in place. 112 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 2: It's not that big of a deal, right right, right, 113 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: Whereas back then, if you their. 114 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: Off seasons are so much different. Every player compared to 115 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: nows too. You know, they came to training camp to 116 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: get in shape, right, I mean, now someone's got five 117 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 3: extra pounds in training camp. Oh you know, I mean 118 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: it's a there is just a I have gotten some 119 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: of those tweets. So if he's thinking about it now, 120 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 3: I wish you would just hung it out. No, you don't. Yeah, 121 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: he's just thinking about his career, right. 122 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: It's Ben used to think about retirement basically every year 123 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: once he turned thirty four. 124 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 3: I say, I bet almost all players do, and probably 125 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: all the basketball players do too, and the Sydney Crosby 126 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: think about it every year. 127 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: I want to put your body through that once again, 128 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: knowing what you need to do to get ready and 129 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: knowing what's the season entails. 130 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: And I think that's the biggest part for most athletes 131 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 3: is do I want to do the not fun stuff? 132 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 3: You know, like game days cool? Even practice week is cool? 133 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: But do I want to do all this stuff eating 134 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: up to that to prepare me for the season. I've 135 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 3: got this scope. I need to get up my knee. 136 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: I mean they all have something that's you know, yeah, 137 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: medical as well. Let alone if it's a big injury, 138 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: like I want to rehab all that and then be 139 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: in a hole when I try to get ready for 140 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: the season. And you know, so, no, I think all 141 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: these guys think about it often and maybe earlier than 142 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: you think. 143 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to. 144 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: I mean you have to, especially there's so much money 145 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: in the bank, you know. 146 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got millions in the bank. You know, if 147 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: you're a guy like Aaron Rodgers, you've got He probably 148 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: thought about it before he went to New York. You're 149 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: going to the Hall of Fame. 150 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you're cemented, right, They're an all time great. 151 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why you know, he said, Look, I'm 152 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: doing this for the love of the game. You know, 153 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: this is why I'm still doing this. I still get 154 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: joy out of the game. 155 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Kind of remind me of the Arthur Smith 156 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: conversation we were two days ago, you know, like unfortunately 157 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: we brought it up because his father passed away. But 158 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: his father is also a icon in America, you know, 159 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: and Arthur Smith doesn't need the money. I mean, I'm 160 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: sure the Steelers pay him just fine, but he makes 161 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: more than most people listening. But that's a drop in 162 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: the bucket for the Smith wealth. You know, he's doing 163 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: it for the love of the game. Yeah, right right, 164 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: you know. 165 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: So that's the that's the difference. I do think it's 166 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: much much different than it used to be, yes, thirty 167 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: forty years ago. 168 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: I mean a lot of those guys sold insurance and 169 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: stuff in the office. Yeah right, you know, or lifted 170 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: some weights here and there, camps a week two away, 171 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: I should start jogging, right. 172 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: Not he went to camp for eight weeks get ready 173 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: for the season. 174 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely completely different, completely different. But no, 175 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: it shocked me how many tweets and things I got 176 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: in the last twenty four hours of Well, if he's 177 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: thinking about that means he's already got one foot out 178 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 3: the door. I don't think so right now. 179 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: He wouldn't have signed up to play if he wasn't 180 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: invested in playing. 181 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To me, it's the other opposite, 182 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: like he jumped in with two feet for one more year. Yeah, 183 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: most likely, you know, great, Yeah, I'm sure they had 184 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: this conversation when he visited three months. 185 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: Ago or whatever, right right, And I think the big 186 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: difference there is, you know, some of the stuff that 187 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: he said when he talked about that particularly was that 188 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: I don't think he wanted to go out on a 189 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: five and twelve record. 190 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: I'm sure, Yeah, I bet that has a lot to 191 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 3: do with I mean, we talked a lot about these 192 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: athletes in general, and but pride is so much of 193 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: it and legacy, and like I bet, Russell Wilson's really 194 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 3: struggling with post Seattle life. Yeah, you know what I mean. 195 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: You don't want to be that guy. You don't want 196 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: to be Franco and Seattle. You know that type of thing. 197 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: And I would expect, I do expect a better version 198 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: of Rogers than the Jets got. I do too, not 199 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: necessarily more dedicated, because that implies it he didn't care, 200 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. But I also think that a guy 201 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 3: like that Brady with the box or whatever, is not 202 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: going to go out. Man. Not sure if I can 203 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 3: do it or not. It's I'm sure I can do it, 204 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: but I can only do it for one more year, 205 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 206 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: I mean the Jets ran the ball. I think it 207 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 2: was like one hundred and ten times. 208 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: It's the fewest in the league. 209 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: Was rushing passes all one hundred It was actually more 210 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: than one hundred and ten, like one hundred and forty 211 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 2: fewer times than the Steelers did. I bet, I bet 212 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: that's that's almost ten rushes per game. 213 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just think about to wear and tear 214 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: on your arm and drop backs, let alone the hits 215 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: things like that too. Now, they didn't have a rushing quarterback, right, 216 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: and the Steelers did for most of the part of 217 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: the year. You know, you got more quarterback rushes from 218 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh for. 219 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: Part of them though, they were telling fields not to 220 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 2: run because he was hurt, right. 221 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: Right, And I don't think they wanted to get to Allen. 222 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: You know, when Wilson was hurt. 223 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 2: There was just a high volume rushing team, which. 224 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: They will be. 225 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: The Jets were not right right right, which takes me 226 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: to the next point. The Jets said Rogers he threw 227 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: like five hundred and eighty nine passes last year. Steelers 228 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: quarterbacks through four hundred and ninety something. 229 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 3: Wow, So it was like one hundred difference, like one 230 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: hundred difference. 231 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: And yet Steeler quarterbacks were sacked forty nine times. 232 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: Oh the sack thing. 233 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 2: Je's quarter Rogers was sacked. 234 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: Forty Yes, I think that is if there's any big 235 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: change I would stand on this table right now that 236 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 3: will definitely change this upcoming year at the quarterback position 237 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 3: is sacks will drop dramatically. Yeah, even if they have 238 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 3: all kinds Z line injuries, and they're playing Calvin Anderson, 239 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: both Anderson's and McCollum and all those guys. Sacks are 240 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: gonna go down. Yeah, no question in my mind, the 241 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: ball's gonna come out yeap. The other thing is Rogers 242 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: got rid of the ball. 243 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 2: I think it was like two point It was quick, 244 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: two point six four seconds along those lines. Russell Wilson 245 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: was at like two point eighty nine, which doesn't sound. 246 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: Like much, but over the course of three hundred throws 247 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: or five hundred throws, it's a ton. 248 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: Justin Fields was at three point oh four, which is 249 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: really high, really high. 250 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: And scramblers are going to have some snaps where it's 251 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: five seconds or whatever too. But those guys take sacks 252 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 3: their whole career. Yeah, Rogers never does. And he gets 253 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 3: the ball out quicker and crisper than ever too, you know. 254 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 3: And he doesn't love getting hit either, I mean years older, right, yeah, right, 255 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: So no, I'll bet everything I have sacks go down dramatically. Yeah. Yeah. 256 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: So let's get to a break. I guess the Matt 257 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: Williamson I'm Dale LOLLI. You're listening to the drive. You're 258 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. 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Today, 265 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: Nick Shook put together a ranking of each division by quarterback. 266 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 3: Interesting, okay, NFL dot Com, Not that anyone cares, but 267 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: there's like ten websites I go to as soon as 268 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: I open my laptop, and NFL dot Com is not 269 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: usually one of them. So I missed that. But okay, 270 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 3: so let's roll through these and weakest the strongest. 271 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weakest the strongest. So number eight nor it's 272 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: a weird one. 273 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they won't be eight, but it's 274 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: a weird one. 275 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: Eight is the AFC South. 276 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: Wow. 277 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: Okay, the average quarterback ranking is twenty five twenty six 278 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: point five. 279 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: There's obviously a lot of youth in that conference because 280 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: they've been bad and they've been picked high. Yeah, I 281 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: mean that's part of it. You got to put the 282 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: colts near the bottom, yeah, I mean, or if it's 283 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 3: or even in the bottom tier completely. 284 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: So he's got CJ. Stroud at number fifteen. The combo 285 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: of Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones come in at thirty six. 286 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: I don't understand that. I thought it was like a 287 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: one out of thirty. 288 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: Two, right, he right. What he did was he took 289 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: his quarterback rankings and then put them together and put 290 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: them on. Okay, here's where they I had them ranked at. Yeah, 291 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: he's added it up and he averages it out for 292 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: a team like that. Okay, So he had Richardson at 293 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: thirty five Jones at thirty seven. Therefore their average ranking 294 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: is thirty six. 295 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: Okay. I guess I would do it differently. I mean, 296 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 3: if you had the worst quarterback in the room in 297 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: the league, I would give it thirty two, like I would. 298 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: But there are some backup quarterback situations, yeah, that are 299 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: better than those. 300 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: Guys, especially like a high pick. Yeah, and obviously I'm 301 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: not giving Shook a hard time, but the Titans would 302 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: be really hard to rank. Yeah, you know, I mean, 303 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: you're excited about the kid, but he's a kid, and 304 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: I would have Stroud higher than fifteen. Had a bad 305 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: year last year, had a bad year, But I don't. 306 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: I'm not quibbling that they're the worst quarterback division, but 307 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: there's hope there. I'm a bigger Lawrence fan than you are. 308 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: Too, Trevor. Lawrence came in at twenty six. 309 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: Okay, but his rankings have to be weird. He's not 310 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: saying there's twenty five better quarterbacks than Lawrence. 311 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: That's exactly what he's saying. 312 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: I think he's insane. I don't think there's probably the 313 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: last couple of years. I mean, you get twenty six, 314 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: it's a whole time. 315 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: If there were a one year situation, yeah, I'd be like, Okay, 316 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, it's been two years and he's 317 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: been garbage and. 318 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: He's been bad, But he's not the twenty six best 319 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: quarterback out there. 320 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: Eh. Okay. Yeah, he has Kim Ward at twenty nine. 321 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: Okay, and Ward's a hard one. It's probably still the 322 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: worst division. But let's go through the NFC. 323 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: South is at number seven. Their average ranking twenty point 324 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: twenty five, okay. Michael Pennix in Atlanta is thirty. 325 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: Okay. He has to carry more weight than Cousins. Cousins 326 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 3: doesn't fast, okay. It is the fast starter. Okay, because 327 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: Indya too. I thought they might care about the. 328 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: Which one's a starter? Yeah, right, nobody. 329 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: It really looks like Jones at this point with injuries. 330 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 2: But Carolina with Bryce Young is sixteen. 331 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: Okay. I'm not gonna fight you there. 332 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck he has at twenty nine. Maybe he just 333 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: ranked all the rookies at twenty nine. 334 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: Okay, which I wouldn't mind. Could have one that ranks rookies. 335 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: I kind of think is fullhearted to be anyway, So 336 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 3: if you put them all together. 337 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: That's the same ranking. 338 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: Africam Wart yeah okay, and Baker I bet it scores well. 339 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: Baker's number six ooh, okay. I think I'd take the 340 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 3: AFC South over the NFC South. I understand Baker being 341 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 3: the highest, but you can't tell me he's sure. 342 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: It might be the worst of the group. 343 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: I say, I'm not out of the woods on Young 344 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: either or pen. 345 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: X shock in the draft right right, right right, not 346 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 2: to start right out of the gate. 347 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 3: You're right. I like him as a second round pick. 348 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: I have no problem with the choice, but compared to 349 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: thirty one other starters, I don't know if i'd take 350 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: him over. I mean him and the Colts are probably 351 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: cancel each other out at this point. But I would 352 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: still take Stroud over Baker, but Baker had a much better, 353 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: much better year. I'm taking Lawrence over Young and who 354 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: am I missing? Awards a hard one to but I'd 355 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: take Ward over Pennix. He did, yeah, yeah, but he 356 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 3: gave I think Baker being that high is what influenced 357 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 3: that one. 358 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: At number six is the NFC North Their average ranking 359 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 2: seventeen point seventy five. Caleb Williams at twenty eight. Okay, 360 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: Jared Goff it't four. His ranking is weird though, the 361 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: fact that he's four, Jordan Love at ten and j J. 362 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: McCarthy at twenty nine, so obviously, I mean there's two unknowns, 363 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 2: the guys who haven't played. 364 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 3: He's putting it, which I'm cool, twenty nine I'm cool with. 365 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 3: I mean, he has them almost like rookies. Yeah, although 366 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 3: I'd take Caleb Williams over Shock as much as I 367 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 3: like Shock. I mean, they hate a bad year, but 368 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 3: who would you rather go to battle with this year? 369 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: Well, he did take Caleb Williams over Shock. 370 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 3: But they were all like right next to each other, 371 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 3: so like, yeah, yeah, okay, I think Love will be 372 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: higher than that when it's said and done. But I 373 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 3: can't fight him on recency bias. There, ten's fair, then's fair, 374 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: that's fair. 375 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 2: At five is the AFC North. 376 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 3: Browns have to kill it. 377 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: Lamar's number one, okay, Burrow's number three okay. The combination 378 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 2: of Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco comes in at forty 379 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: three point five. 380 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's terrible. I'd rather roll with the 381 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: Colts guys. 382 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 2: And Aaron Rodgers is twenty two. 383 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 3: Okay, and he's a tough one to rank too, obviously, 384 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 3: but the Browns are an anchor. Yeah. 385 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 2: I mean, well, here's what he says about it. I 386 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: live in Cleveland. This is Nick Chuck. Yet I'm granting 387 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: all of you permission to pelt the Browns with rotten 388 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: tomatoes for what they've done to the AFC Norse ranking. 389 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 2: This should be the NFL's best division. As for him 390 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: to a two time MVP, yeah, they're perennial MVP contender 391 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: and Burrow in the arrival of a late career four 392 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 2: time MVP. 393 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: It definitely has the strongest pairing. Yeah, I mean, without question. 394 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 3: I mean I think there's four elite guys and two 395 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: of them are in this division. 396 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just. 397 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 3: I mean, the Browns have to carry a lot of 398 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 3: weight there and it's only four guy. Four teams get 399 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: ranked and they're the worst quarterback situational league without a doubt. 400 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 3: I'd rather roll a shock. 401 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: At least he has some upside. 402 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 403 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 2: Four is the FC East. Okay, average ranking seventeen, all right, 404 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: Josh Allen is two. Cool, that's fine, Tua is eighteen. 405 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 3: It might be a little rough on two, but okay. 406 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: Uh, Drake may is twenty one. I'm a big fan, 407 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: and Justin Fields twenty seven. 408 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 3: Okay, take that over. The North. To me, Alan and 409 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 3: Lamar are the same, bro. 410 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 2: The North is better, but the Browns down brutal. 411 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: Right, it's some way worse than Fields. Yeah for seven 412 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: verse eight, Yeah, okay, they just they're an anchor. Yeah, 413 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: they're an anchor. They're the biggest anchor in the league. 414 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 2: Three is the NFC East. Jack Prescott is nineteen, Russell 415 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: Wilson twenty three, Jalen Hurts nine, Jayden Daniels five. 416 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: I think that's all pretty fair. I would have Dak 417 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: higher than that, but it's been a rough stint here lately. 418 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: There's no, no killer, right, how long do you think 419 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: Dart will start this year? 420 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: At some point? 421 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 3: I do too. Yeah, I mean you can't factor that 422 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: in as you for this equation now, and I don't. 423 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 3: And I think I actually think the Giants room is 424 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 3: better than their starter. Like Winston's a good two and 425 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 3: you have a number one there, But that's not what 426 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 3: he's doing, you know. I mean Wilson's going to open 427 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: the season as a starter. Yeah, he's better what they played. 428 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 3: The point is a good two, I do, But I 429 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 3: also I think there's a good argument can give me 430 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: the reliable guy. 431 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: It can also be a bad two. 432 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a. 433 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 2: It's a dice roll every time he says it is. 434 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I I think teams look at a lot 435 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 3: of teams look at this differently. Give me Mason Rudolph, 436 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: who I know and can trust. That best day isn't 437 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: as good as Winston's best day or but his worst 438 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: day is nine close right, right, He's not gonna light 439 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: my whole game plan on fire, you know, right, throw 440 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: seven interceptions right right. I think a lot of it 441 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 3: depends on your starter is Yeah, if you have been 442 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: I want grad Kowski year left Witch or Batch or 443 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 3: you know that. I know what I'm getting. 444 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 2: Two is the NFC West, Kyler Murray is seventeen. 445 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray be a tough guy for me to rank 446 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 3: right now. 447 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: Stafford is eight, Yeah, Purdy is fourteen, Sam Donald thirteen. 448 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 3: I'm not there on Donald, I'm not either, right like 449 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 3: I'm Donald will be my fourth guy in that division. Yeah, 450 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: he needs to show me at least another year. 451 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 2: Yes, he's number two. 452 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm definitely taking Purdy Ann Murray over him. 453 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 3: But I don't know if there's a noticeable weak link. 454 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: They're all solid yeah, yeah, yeah, and Stafford might even 455 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: be higher on my list than that. 456 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: And one is the AFC West. 457 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: Malmes is a monster. 458 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: Bon Nicks comes in at twenty. Yes, if you remember 459 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 2: when we did these rankings earlier in the year. Mahomes 460 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: comes in at seven, okay, Geno Smith at twelve, justin 461 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 2: Herbert at eleven. 462 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: I would even have Herbert higher, But again, there's no weakness. 463 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: He's too low on Mahomes, too high on Geno Smith probably. Yeah, 464 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: he's not the twelfth best quarter he was twelve. 465 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 3: I didn't up trying to think what number you just said, 466 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: and Nix is like seventeen ish twenty. I think we're 467 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 3: out of the woods, but that he's a quality player. 468 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 3: But that's a whole different conversation. Like, if you look 469 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 3: at all six of those dudes that were drafted last year, 470 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 3: who are you most confident will be a starter five 471 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: years from now? Daniels of course, may would be my 472 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 3: second choice. Nicks versus Williams is a question to me. 473 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: Williams is more ability, but Nick's had a better year 474 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: and anything, he's got a higher floor. 475 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just Nix's rock party system quarterback, 476 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 2: but I think. 477 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: He's still a starter for a decade. He's in the 478 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: right system. Yeah, yeah, no doubt Williams could hit big, bigger. 479 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 3: And I think PENNICX and McCarthy, you don't know that's fair. 480 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 3: I'm interested, I'm interested, but I mean they're not out 481 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: of the woods yet. 482 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: No, they haven't seen McCarthy at all at all. 483 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: Right, so I don't hate his rankings. Browns are obviously 484 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 3: huge screwed by the Browns, by the Browns, I mean, 485 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 3: even if they just had trying to think, I mean Joe, 486 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 3: I mean, the twentieth best guy just don't stink there. Yeah, 487 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 3: they're probably number one, yeah, one and three right right, 488 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: right right? Or who's the top three? I mean they 489 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: definitely the best too. Who is the top three? 490 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: Might still be the North Yeah you know, yeah, so interesting. 491 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: It gets a different way, and I think you know 492 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: when you look at the quarterback position, this is why, 493 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: excuse me, when the Steelers do go take that swinging quarterback, 494 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: they can't just settle. 495 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 3: No, no, it needs to be a big swing. 496 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: He needs to be a big swing. 497 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm really excited. I've done very little, but 498 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: more than I usually do this time of year. On 499 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: next year's class, the guys that are he's safe. Coaches, 500 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: Son works hard, not a great arm, little undersize that 501 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 3: doesn't do it for me, right, it doesn't do it 502 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 3: for me. That's a second round player to me. Now yeah, 503 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 3: now do I want the next Richardson? That's a total 504 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: wild card. You know, he better play some football. He experience, 505 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: to me is going to be really important. Not Richardson. 506 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 3: Maybe he's a bad example, but his variance I could 507 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: live with if it kept getting better start eight to 508 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 3: eighteen to twenty eight. But if you come in here 509 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, I've played seven games. I mean 510 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 3: that's like Trey Lance too. 511 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, same thing. 512 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: You gotta play a lot of football now. Yeah, I 513 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 3: think that's it was lost there for a while. 514 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to 515 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: The Driver and the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll 516 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: be back with more right after this. 517 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: As he is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt 518 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the 519 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: Black and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio. 520 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the 521 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt is the list time of the year. 522 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: No, it is. We'll be doing a lot of lists 523 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: the next couple of weeks. Yeah, dude, trading camps like 524 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: a month from now right, I mean it's we talk 525 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 3: about this downtime. It's not that far away too. We'll 526 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: be in the troupe. 527 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. But Pro Football Focus put together. They've ranked their 528 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: top ten returning NFL head coaches entering in twenty twenty 529 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 2: five season. 530 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: Okay, returning, I guess is an important one. Yeah, Like 531 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to rank Ben Johnson. 532 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: Well they only did ten, so yeah, yeah, so at 533 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: number ten. Boy, I might disagree with this one. Kevin Stefanski. 534 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 3: Part of me feels for him. 535 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: I'll have to see the rest of the list. 536 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the fact that he's a two time 537 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 3: Coach of the Year. I don't care about you know 538 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 3: what I mean? Now, okay, you got more. 539 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: What you've had is two good seasons for two good seasons, 540 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: and Cleveland, you want ten goods, right, and expectations are low, 541 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: and coach of the Year is usually the guy that 542 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: they expect. 543 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: To win seven the Wine or something like that. Great. 544 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 3: I do think he's a really good offensive mind. I 545 00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: think he's in a tough environment to win. But there 546 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: are only nine head coaches in the league that are better. 547 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 3: I bet i'd have more than that, Yeah, I think so. Yeah, 548 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 3: I could see it like twelve to fourteen. Yeah, yeah, 549 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 3: I think that would be fair. 550 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: Number nine. 551 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 3: Dan Campbell he's another one. I'm impressed, everybody's impressed. He's 552 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 3: easy to root for. He's great at the podium, big, 553 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: strong blocking tight end. But this is a really important 554 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 3: season for him. Yeah, Because here's my doubts about the guy. 555 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 3: Is I think players respect We're gonna put the pedal 556 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: to the medal all the time, we're going forward on 557 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: fourth down, we're playing fast. We're gonna be the most 558 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 3: physical team. It's hard to do that for twenty games. 559 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: You know. Sometimes you've got to kind of know when 560 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: to hold him and when to fold them and put 561 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 3: it in neutral for a minute or down shift. I mean, 562 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: their defense is got the crap beat out of them 563 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 3: and people just falling left and right. So I do 564 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 3: think it wouldn't be. This is a marathon, not a sprint, 565 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 3: I guess, is my point. Yeah, I don't know if 566 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: he knows that. And now he lost two schemers. You know, 567 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 3: like a lot of the great coaches, Belichick didn't need 568 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator, Walsh didn't need an offensive coordinator. I think 569 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 3: Campbell needs strong coordinators and he has lost them both. Yeah, 570 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 3: so it'll be and they have a difficult schedule, so 571 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 3: we'll see what he is as a head coach. 572 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: Eight is Nick Sirianni with the Eagles. 573 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 3: He's a tough one too. I mean he's a super champion. 574 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 3: That's does it say? Like, is he tremendous? If he 575 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: was a Browns coach, would he be in the top ten? No? 576 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 3: I don't think so, you know what I mean, Like, 577 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 3: he is the best roster in the league. Front office 578 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 3: completely supplies him with great players. His offensive coordinator was 579 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: thought of well enough to become a head coach this year. 580 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: His defensive coordinator is one of the best of recent memory. 581 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 3: But how do you keep him off this list? I mean, 582 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 3: he's a Super Bowl champ seven. 583 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: I have some issues with Kyle shann him with the 584 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: forty nine ers, he. 585 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: Would be on my list. I probably would have him 586 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 3: ahead of those three names. But I also think he's 587 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 3: an overrated head coach. Yeah, he's not an overrated offensive mine, 588 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: quarterback developer, play caller. He might be number one, but. 589 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: The numbers are inarguable. They either win and do well 590 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: where they have a losing record, bad bad losing record. 591 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: Picking in a top ten losing. 592 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: Right Nick Nick Bosa second overall type of year. You know, 593 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 3: just because Jimmy Garoppolo gets hurt, right, that shouldn't derail 594 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 3: your shoes and season. 595 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 2: That much happened. 596 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: Like, I'm not sure our listeners know this, but he's 597 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 3: been a head coach of nine ers for eight years. 598 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 3: Eight of those years he's won double digit games and 599 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 3: done well the other eight. He's lost double digit games, 600 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: right amidst all or nothing. 601 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 2: That's why you can't. That's why you can't. I can't 602 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: have him at seven. Yeah, I can't. I also know 603 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: too much variance he has, and if we're just talking 604 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: head coaches, I guess this doesn't apply. But he is 605 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: more juice in that room or in that building than 606 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: Lynch or anybody else. 607 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: Fine, he's earned it. But they have weird drafts too. Yeah. 608 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 3: I mean he drafts a kicker in the third round 609 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 3: and backup tight ends and there's always a running back 610 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 3: he loves in round four that should go in round 611 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 3: seven that never hits, and they don't reinforce the line, 612 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: you know, like I don't know, but he'd be on 613 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: the list. 614 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Six is Jim Harbaugh. 615 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: Chargers Harbors. Yeah, I still get you, Jim. I still 616 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: get him mixed up. That's why, which is terrible. I 617 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 3: have a lot of respect. I wouldn't say he outkicked 618 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 3: his coverage last year, though I thought they would be 619 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 3: a little worse than they were. But as the season 620 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 3: we're on, they couldn't run the ball like they thought. 621 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: They didn't really have a lot of weapons. But I 622 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: think his track record when you if you factor in 623 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 3: Michigan and Stanford and what was it San Jose date 624 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 3: before there wasn't there was something smaller than that and 625 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 3: his nine or tenure. I very much believe he's a 626 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 3: very very good football coach. 627 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: Weird dude, Yeah, yeah, five Mike Tomlin. 628 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think that's crazy at all. 629 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 2: There are people screaming right now. 630 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure what people are like. Boy, I hope 631 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: Tomlin's not on this list. There's probably some people saying 632 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: I think it's a pivotal point of his career too. 633 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 3: You know, you've you've gone this weird quarterback route year 634 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 3: after year, and you're gonna have to balance and they're 635 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 3: they're they're walking this tight rope of winning now and 636 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 3: balancing the future. 637 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: Some of that though, if you look at the way 638 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: things have lined up. Roethlisberger retires after the twenty twenty 639 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 2: one season. You take Kenny Pickett, you think he's your guy, Yeah, 640 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: and then he turns out to not be the guy. 641 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: But you gave him two years. You gave him two years, right, 642 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: so you get rid of him for twenty twenty four season, 643 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: you bring your rustle, did you love like bo Nix 644 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 2: and Pittsburgh to me, wouldn't have worked. 645 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. You're a lot better off, right, you know, right? 646 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 3: And plus you would have given up a second round 647 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 3: pick to do it, right, I mean, he wasn't free. Yeah, 648 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: you had to get it, Kirthy. I didn't like at all, 649 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 3: and you'd got to give up a lot to go 650 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 3: go right, So you know, I hear you. I mean 651 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 3: over the last couple of drafts, it just hasn't aligned. 652 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: It hasn't aligned, and but it needs to soon. You 653 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 3: can't just go eight years saying well, we don't like anybody. 654 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: You can't continue to do that, right right, right now, 655 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: everybody wants to say, and this is complete and outter hindsight, 656 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: Well they should have taken Lamar in twenty eighteen. 657 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, they should have, So should everybody, right, right right? 658 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 3: Everybody else passed on him too, right now. You've talked 659 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 3: about this a lot. You actually mocked him to the Steelers, right. 660 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 3: I got crushed and people hated every second of it 661 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 3: because Ben was not post surgery, hanging on, was coming 662 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 3: off maybe his best season, right, right. So it's that 663 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 3: that hindsight bothers me because it would look great. 664 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: He led the league in passing yards, and you. 665 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 3: Could have incorporated Lamar here and there. Maybe he would 666 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 3: haven't even like ran routes here. I mean, but that's 667 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 3: that's not what you needed. Yeah, that's so. Here's one 668 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 3: thing I urge people to think about with Tomlin is 669 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 3: let's say, and we don't have crystal balls, but let's 670 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 3: say this season goes a little better than last year. 671 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 3: You got a better quarterback, you still win about the 672 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 3: same amount of games, your defense is pretty darn good, 673 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 3: running games getting better, maybe win a playoff game. Okay, 674 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that's a crazy story to write. 675 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 3: At the end of June, the plan remains the same. 676 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 3: Still gonna go be aggressive to get a quarterback next year, 677 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: assuming that this class is what it's cracked up to be. 678 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 3: Do you want Tomlin leading that ship? And the answer 679 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 3: isn't yes or no, it's do you want Tomlin leading 680 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 3: that ship? Or do you want a total unknown? You 681 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, maybe you have your faults 682 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 3: with Tomlin. Fine, he's been here long enough. You all 683 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 3: have your opinion, and you should and we both have 684 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 3: our opinions too, But wouldn't it be terrible to hit 685 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 3: on that quarterback in next year's draft and then be like, yeah, 686 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 3: but now our head coach takes that would be bad, guys, Yeah, 687 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 3: that would be bad. Like maybe you don't love Tomlin, 688 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 3: maybe you think he should be tenth on this list 689 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 3: and not fifth. Okay, strong argument, great, but you don't 690 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 3: want the twenty eighth guy with your new quarterback, right, 691 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 3: I mean that's part of it too. Plus I want 692 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 3: a leader of men who understands his team to navigate 693 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 3: the rookie quarterback waters you know what I mean? Right 694 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 3: that I know he can do. 695 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 2: Four is John Harbaugh. 696 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 3: That's fair. 697 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: I will say this. The Steelers won three playoff games 698 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen. The Ravens have won three playoff games. Yeah, 699 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen with a two time MVP. 700 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 3: With two time MVP. Yeah, playoff success is not going 701 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 3: to be in his positive column. 702 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: It's very difficult to win playoff game. 703 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 3: It's really difficult to play now, Yeah, and then you 704 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 3: know you lose a battle to Josh Allen or Mahomes 705 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 3: or Borough or whatever. Right, but they've had a lot 706 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 3: of success lately. He's a Hall of fame coach. 707 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 2: To me, Three Sean McVay, he'd be two. 708 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 3: But I'm splitting hairs. I'm super impressed with McVeigh. 709 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 2: Two is Sean Payton with the Broncos. Disagree with that, 710 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: so I guess we can't do new guys. 711 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 3: I was gonna lump Pete Carroll in this conversation just 712 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 3: because of lifetime achievements awards. 713 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 2: I'll take Tom and Harball over Sean Payton. Yeah. 714 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 3: I mean he's done a lot of good stuff with Denver, 715 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 3: more than I expected. I'll be honest, Like the Walmart 716 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 3: family bought the Broncos gave him like a blank check, 717 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 3: and he came out of the booth and I thought, 718 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 3: this is just a money grab. Good for him, you know. 719 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 3: And they had a bad roster including Wilson, and they 720 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 3: won more games than they lost for two years. And 721 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 3: now he's kind of turning it around in his likeness. 722 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 3: But I still Harbor and Tom. 723 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: One three consecutive losing seasons. Right, he is his quarterback. 724 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 3: There was a bad stretch there, yeah, right, I think 725 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 3: his floor is lower. Yeah, And I definitely a McVeigh again. 726 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 3: To me, McVeigh is two or maybe even one, and 727 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 3: one is Andy Reid. I get it how you knock 728 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 3: him off the list? 729 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 2: Now, I don't know how you leave Minnesota's coach off. 730 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 3: Oh I wouldn't either. That's a great call for Green 731 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 3: Bay to be honest with. 732 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell Matt lafleur are better coaches than Kevin Stefanski. 733 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 3: They'd be like six and seven on my list. Yeah, 734 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 3: with arrow pointing up, just keep showing me more and more. Yeah, 735 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 3: I think they're dynamite. That's a great call. I'm sure. 736 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 3: I bet I could come with one or two others. 737 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 2: Too, But I think Jonathan Gannon and Ay John is 738 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 2: a pretty damn good coach. 739 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 3: His roster was so bad inherited too, and he's getting 740 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 3: a lot out of it. I mean he never goes 741 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,439 Speaker 3: to playoffs and things like that, but they're and then 742 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 3: every year gets better and better and better. 743 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 2: Ye. 744 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 3: It's a pretty strong statement, you know, Like, I'm not 745 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 3: sure you can leave the Eagles head coach off there, 746 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 3: but the Eagles win the Super Bowl with lafleur or O'Connell, Yeah, 747 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 3: and maybe even it might be in better shape. Those 748 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 3: two would be really high for me. The more I 749 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 3: think about it. 750 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have one over Shanahan. Yeah, and Stefanski. 751 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 3: Lafloor's got a big body of work now too, right. 752 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 3: They also have a low floor or a high floor. 753 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 3: He doesn't have a superstar roster, No, he had to 754 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 3: bring love along. Those guys are high quality coaches. 755 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. That was the Pro Football Focus list 756 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 2: of the top ten returning head coaches in the NFL. 757 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 2: He is Carol. 758 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 3: I would have kind of put on the list just 759 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 3: because I know enough, you know, like I'm putt Ben 760 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 3: Johnson on the list, but Carol would be right there 761 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,919 Speaker 3: with like Peyton. Yeah. 762 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to a break. That's gonna do it 763 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 2: for hour number one, he's Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lully 764 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 2: will be back with our number two right after this