Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the first episode of the Son of
Speaker 1: a Butch podcast. I'm your host, Claude Harmon. Took the
Speaker 1: summer off really excited to be back. A new partner,
Speaker 1: new name for the show. Partner is I Heart Radio. UM,
Speaker 1: I got to have a summer off. I want to
Speaker 1: thank everybody at golf dot com who we partnered with
Speaker 1: last year for the podcast. UM that and at the
Speaker 1: end of May, UH, I didn't get shut down by Live,
Speaker 1: didn't have to not do the podcast because of Live,
Speaker 1: all the Live conspiracy theories. There's a lot of crazy
Speaker 1: shit out there. But UM, really excited to be back.
Speaker 1: You guys know the drill. We're going to have great guests, golfers,
Speaker 1: people that love golf, and hopefully you'll get better by listening.
Speaker 1: I always say golf is a pretty simple game that
Speaker 1: confusedes smart people. And one of the things UH, A
Speaker 1: lot of the feedback that I got UH from last
Speaker 1: year's UM podcast was UM that we had great guests,
Speaker 1: and I just can't thank everyone enough for listening because listen.
Speaker 1: I didn't think the podcast was was going to take off,
Speaker 1: and the fact that I didn't do it. I was
Speaker 1: constantly getting messages saying where's the podcast? So it's back.
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna have a podcast named Son of
Speaker 1: a Butch, who better to have his first guests if
Speaker 1: your dad's name is Butch Harmon than Butch Harmon. Um.
Speaker 1: Last time we talked to my dad on the podcast,
Speaker 1: I think it was the week after the Masters, and
Speaker 1: how the golf landscape has changed. He's got some great
Speaker 1: takes on kind of where we are today. We talk
Speaker 1: about all the major champions. Uh, just such an amazing
Speaker 1: year in the majors, and uh, maybe talk about the
Speaker 1: future of where golf is going. So the Son of
Speaker 1: a Butcher podcast first episode, sit back and enjoy listening
Speaker 1: to the legend that is Butch Harmon. So the obvious
Speaker 1: choice for the first guest of the new launch of
Speaker 1: the podcast um is Butch Harmon. If I'd told you
Speaker 1: at augusta National Scottie Shuffler has just played unbelievable. He's
Speaker 1: won his first green jacket and then he he starts
Speaker 1: out and then we have what we have now as
Speaker 1: the Gulf landscape, which you've believed that golf would be
Speaker 1: where it is today, No, I think I wouldn't believe
Speaker 1: the chaos that's going on. There's a lot of that
Speaker 1: is you know, you you're you're kind of involved that
Speaker 1: with a couple of players as you teach, and you know,
Speaker 1: just life moves on in different challenges you're thrown out
Speaker 1: there and this is kind of a big one. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait and see what happens. And I
Speaker 1: just think the parties, both parties on both sides, the
Speaker 1: live side, the pgate tours side, and they take a
Speaker 1: deep breath and say, hey, look, let's just try and
Speaker 1: get along and let's let's see what we can do
Speaker 1: to make this work. And until that happens, I think
Speaker 1: this is all going to be a bunch of turmoil.
Speaker 1: You and I have talked about this before. I think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some more guys switch over. Who they are,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You hear all the routenents, but until
Speaker 1: they do, we won't know. And I think if any
Speaker 1: of the bigger, younger stars switch over, and then I
Speaker 1: think the tour is going to have to somehow are
Speaker 1: some some way try and get along. Uh Interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: now they're coming up with all these new plans to
Speaker 1: pump up prize money very similar to what the Live
Speaker 1: is all these different things and selling them so forth.
Speaker 1: So it's I don't know. I think it reminds me
Speaker 1: a lot of politics. Uh these days, both parties are
Speaker 1: going this way instead of coming this way. And so
Speaker 1: you've been good friends with Greg Norman for you know,
Speaker 1: a better part of thirty years. You coached him, You
Speaker 1: helped make him, you know, get him back to number
Speaker 1: one in the world, he helped him win a major. Um,
Speaker 1: I know you consider him a friend. You also played
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. It was your home as a player,
Speaker 1: and it was your home as a coach for the
Speaker 1: better part of thirty years. Um. Do you think there's
Speaker 1: a way that this moves forward and we end up
Speaker 1: with the Live guys doing their thing and the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour doing their thing. Do you think there's a way
Speaker 1: that they can come together or do you think that
Speaker 1: ship has already sailed? Well, I would hope there's a
Speaker 1: way they could come together. I think for the betterment
Speaker 1: of the game. And it doesn't hurt to have two
Speaker 1: different leads. I mean, I gotta give you an example.
Speaker 1: When I went to my Q school in nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 1: the players broke away from the PGA of America and
Speaker 1: there was two c schools, and I can remember asking
Speaker 1: my dad which one do I go to? The one
Speaker 1: with the players are the ones with the PJA of American.
Speaker 1: He says, you always go where the players going, So
Speaker 1: I did so I went through a little bit of
Speaker 1: this myself at that point in time. Nothing like this
Speaker 1: though called because of the money that's been thrown around.
Speaker 1: Look Great had this idea twenty seven years ago and
Speaker 1: he approached it. He had a TV contract, he had
Speaker 1: a bunch of big stars signed up, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the tour got ahead of it and uh
Speaker 1: and it went away. So he's always had the this
Speaker 1: idea in his head that he would like to get
Speaker 1: this done. Now, this opportunity came along, and the salities
Speaker 1: came along with their idea, and Greg is involved big time.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think at this point in time,
Speaker 1: and I know both the commissioner Minaham and Greg Norman,
Speaker 1: I think they both need to put their egos aside
Speaker 1: and let's look at what's best for the game and
Speaker 1: then try and get together because, as you know, you're
Speaker 1: involved with lib Twitter more than I. I don't know
Speaker 1: anything around except what I read you. You you're out
Speaker 1: there on it. It's not going away. It's here to stay.
Speaker 1: So let's figure out a way to make it work.
Speaker 1: You know. I think the sad thing is we you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at the were going into the Tour Championship,
Speaker 1: so the PGH Tour schedule has run its course. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you look at the four majors this year, Dad,
Speaker 1: Scottie Scheffler, Justin Thomas, Matt Fitzpatrick camp Smith, I mean
Speaker 1: I think the thing that's I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people feel like the golf is being overshadowed because if
Speaker 1: you look at the way those four majors were one
Speaker 1: and if you look at the golf played by those
Speaker 1: four players, I mean it was some it was some
Speaker 1: unbelievable golf. I mean, well the most recent one, I thought,
Speaker 1: the way camp Smith performed at the Open Championship down
Speaker 1: the stretch was unbelievable golf, no doubt about it. And
Speaker 1: and look at the Sean Patrick Kpatrick hit on the
Speaker 1: seventy second hall at the Country coming book on from
Speaker 1: a fairway bunker with a lip in front of one
Speaker 1: of the find the shots you'll ever see under pressure hit.
Speaker 1: So you're right, The four Majors were very exciting. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think the strange thing I'm seeing and what's going
Speaker 1: on is because of the known quote unquote known stupor
Speaker 1: superstars that the Dustin Johnson the books kept, because the
Speaker 1: speeds that Justin Thomas's, these guys, uh, they haven't been
Speaker 1: up there on the leaderboards for a while, so all
Speaker 1: these young guys are getting a chance and they're coming along.
Speaker 1: They're fantastic players, as you and I know, unbelievable players,
Speaker 1: but the tour is driven by star power, and the
Speaker 1: stars that everybody knew are not quite there at the moment,
Speaker 1: so you're seeing all the young guys you. I feel
Speaker 1: sorry for Scottie Sheffer. He has had a phenomenal year,
Speaker 1: just beyond belief. What a great year he's had in
Speaker 1: a time when there's so many good players. But I
Speaker 1: guarantee you, if you went to any golf tournament and
Speaker 1: said who's the number one player in the world, nobody
Speaker 1: would know it's Scottie Sheffer. And that's sad yeh ask
Speaker 1: for you. I thought, um, you mentioned Matt Fitzpatrick at
Speaker 1: the US open Um. I've I've watched a lot of
Speaker 1: golf as you have, and you watch these players, dad,
Speaker 1: when you're on tour, you watch, even if you don't
Speaker 1: work with them, you watch their work ethic, You watch
Speaker 1: how hard their work. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I've seen a kid
Speaker 1: work harder day in day out than Matt Fitzpatrick does
Speaker 1: on on all parts of his game, from his short
Speaker 1: game to his putting, to his full swing, to his fitness.
Speaker 1: Um in an age to where length is so hugely,
Speaker 1: hugely important, Um, do you think it's good for the
Speaker 1: professional game that a guy like Matt Fitzpatrick just through
Speaker 1: standing up, hitting shots, hitting the right shots at the
Speaker 1: right time, making the right pots on a difficult golf course. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Brookline is not an easy golf course. But
Speaker 1: I think that is a really good thing for professional
Speaker 1: golf that players light met Fitzpatrick win majors because all
Speaker 1: we hear is if you don't have length, you can't
Speaker 1: win well. First of all, match fast. Fitzpatrick has done
Speaker 1: everything to make himself better from where he won the
Speaker 1: US Amate threw years ago to where he is now,
Speaker 1: He's a completely different player. I think he's a different
Speaker 1: player this year than he was a year ago. He
Speaker 1: hits the ball further. He's done a lot of speed training. Uh.
Speaker 1: He has done everything he can to get the best
Speaker 1: out of his ability in a way. And this is
Speaker 1: not a put down to Matt Fitzpatrick. He could almost
Speaker 1: say he's a little bit of an overachiever in modern
Speaker 1: day golf because he doesn't hit it three hundred six
Speaker 1: e r's off the tea. He doesn't do the things
Speaker 1: a lot. He's a little guy, he's not a big guy.
Speaker 1: He's got a great caddy and Billy Foster, one of
Speaker 1: the best caddies in the history of the game, who
Speaker 1: has helped him tremendously. And I gotta take my hat
Speaker 1: off to him. I admire him. I think it's phenomenal
Speaker 1: what he's done. And it just shows you what can
Speaker 1: be done by these young players today. And there's so
Speaker 1: many of them, claud it. It's why I said it
Speaker 1: a little while ago. The tour is driven by star
Speaker 1: power with a big, big name. Star power isn't quite
Speaker 1: there at the moment, but they're still out there. But
Speaker 1: these young kids coming on, my gosh, they can play,
Speaker 1: have you um? I mean, I haven't seen anybody put
Speaker 1: the way camps. It puts under pressure since since Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods putted like that. I mean, it's it looks like
Speaker 1: everyt of this kid's gone. He's just gonna and they're
Speaker 1: all going down. They're going right in the middle of
Speaker 1: the hole. They're not They're not side door in it.
Speaker 1: They're going in the middle of the hole. He's got
Speaker 1: exactly what Tiger Woods had. Everybody hits has to go in.
Speaker 1: Look if it doesn't go in, he looks like he
Speaker 1: gets wrapped. I mean the kid and he's got ice
Speaker 1: waters in his veins. I mean, he just stands up
Speaker 1: to the plate and he his routine. The thing I
Speaker 1: like about it, and one thing I used to love
Speaker 1: about Tiger that if you put a stop watch on
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods in the very first hole, the first party
Speaker 1: hit in the first hole to the last Partty hit
Speaker 1: of the seventy second hole, it's the exact same amount
Speaker 1: of time that he took the two practice strokes. The
Speaker 1: head looking at the whole way set up. Cam Smith
Speaker 1: does the exact same thing on every part, doesn't matter
Speaker 1: whether it's the first hold the tournament or the last
Speaker 1: hole to win. And I think the average person can
Speaker 1: learn a lot by that, so he's learned how to
Speaker 1: relax his nerves. He's got a beautiful stroke. But the
Speaker 1: one thing that people don't talk about, and these guys
Speaker 1: are the great partterns of Tiger Woods, was the best
Speaker 1: of the world out of it. It's reading greens. You've
Speaker 1: got to be a great green reader on all different services.
Speaker 1: And camp Smith is just like Tiger. It puts phenomenal
Speaker 1: in every surface, which tells me this kid can really
Speaker 1: read greens too. Yeah. And the other thing I think
Speaker 1: that that I always marvel out and watching camp Smith
Speaker 1: when you know, when I'm out with him in in
Speaker 1: in practice rounds is his speed control on on puts
Speaker 1: from distance. Um. That is probably one thing. And one
Speaker 1: of the announcers said it on the telecast yesterday, Um,
Speaker 1: in watching Patrick Cantley win Um, the second FedEx event.
Speaker 1: You know, Patrick had a very long pot put it
Speaker 1: up there to two feet. I don't think tour players,
Speaker 1: the great putters get enough. Everybody knows, oh the great
Speaker 1: green readers. Yeah, they got great strokes, But the ability
Speaker 1: to have that consistent speed control on greens, as you know, doubt,
Speaker 1: I mean the greens that the rest of us play
Speaker 1: on day in and day out. Recreational is not the
Speaker 1: same that that tour players around the world are putting on.
Speaker 1: So to have that touch and feel, especially at the
Speaker 1: Open Championship at St. Andrew's, you know how big those
Speaker 1: greens are. I was really impressed with cam Smith's speed
Speaker 1: control all week. You mean, because you're gonna have long
Speaker 1: pots at St. Andrew's, hundred footers in yards long. I
Speaker 1: mean those on some of those greens are an acre
Speaker 1: and those green are slow compared to what they are
Speaker 1: in the US because they have to keep them that
Speaker 1: way because of the wind because if the wind comes up,
Speaker 1: which it didn't at same they can blow the balls
Speaker 1: off the green. So just to get that beautiful pace
Speaker 1: that he had over there on slow greens. You know,
Speaker 1: in the past they've always said that Americans when they
Speaker 1: went to the Open Championship they struggled on the greens
Speaker 1: because they were so much slower and stuff. But camp
Speaker 1: Smith could could put on the Interstate. This guy man
Speaker 1: he could put and like like you say, his puzzle gack,
Speaker 1: they could go in a thimble. They go right in
Speaker 1: the middle dog on hole. It's actually beautiful to watch.
Speaker 1: And he says that in a lot of his interviews,
Speaker 1: he has no mechanical thoughts in his stroke at all.
Speaker 1: He doesn't think about anything that's happening with the putter.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of visualization, it's a lot of kind
Speaker 1: of seeing. Um. Everybody that plays golf, whether they're trying
Speaker 1: to play professionally or they're trying to play recreationally, everyone wants, needs,
Speaker 1: and tries to put better. UM. And and and we've
Speaker 1: talked in the past about putting. UM, I think there
Speaker 1: is an art to putting. Would you agree that there?
Speaker 1: And I think people don't see it as an art.
Speaker 1: They see it as a skill that they have to practice. Um.
Speaker 1: Do you think the average golfer would be better off
Speaker 1: learning speed and green reading first and then worrying about
Speaker 1: what their stroke looks like From a technical standpoint. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: We'll look at it this way. If you can control
Speaker 1: the speed of every part you hit, whether it's online
Speaker 1: perfectly or not, you're never gonna be far from the hull.
Speaker 1: If you made a bad right, okay, you gotta tap in.
Speaker 1: You know, you could have the most perfect line in
Speaker 1: the world and really agreed is beautifully and have bad speed,
Speaker 1: You're you're not gonna make pots. But if your speed
Speaker 1: is good and the ball is always get into the hall.
Speaker 1: Get into the hall, Get into the hall. You're never
Speaker 1: gonna a three put very much unless you just get
Speaker 1: some severe downhill slope or some going to an Undernow
Speaker 1: about that, you shouldn't hit your second shot there. That's
Speaker 1: the key of that one. But yeah, this kid's amazing
Speaker 1: to be suet and he doesn't look like a golfer.
Speaker 1: I mean, the mullet is disgusting in the attempt at
Speaker 1: a mustache and beyond the league and things. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've got a girlfriend, but she she needs
Speaker 1: to give him a big hug and cass. He said, Hony,
Speaker 1: of this stuff's gotta go. Um one of the guys
Speaker 1: that want to major this year that we didn't. We
Speaker 1: haven't talked about um. Justin Thomas. I thought his performance
Speaker 1: at Southern Hills. UM. I know that when he came
Speaker 1: out on tour Um when he was a rookie, his
Speaker 1: old caddy Jimmy Johnson. Um, you said to Jimmy, if
Speaker 1: you can teach this kid to hit a wedge, this
Speaker 1: kid could be one of the best players in the world.
Speaker 1: And now I think under pressure when it counts. Justin
Speaker 1: Thomas hits some of the best three quarter hundred, two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen yard wedge shots that I've seen in
Speaker 1: a long time. It was years ago with slep straits
Speaker 1: and he was playing a practice round with DJ because
Speaker 1: you were there, and I remember walking down the first
Speaker 1: stairway saying to Jimmy Johnson and a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't realize not only is a great caddy, even how
Speaker 1: the player play the South African Tour. I mean, he
Speaker 1: knows golf. And I said to Jimmy, if you can
Speaker 1: teach this kid out of hit a three quarter shot,
Speaker 1: because if you remember, he was all out on every shot,
Speaker 1: I mean his his nine iron shots were driver contest feed.
Speaker 1: And said, if you can teach this kid how to
Speaker 1: fly his golf ball and control his distance, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be one of the best players in the world. And look,
Speaker 1: Academy is one of the best players. And he's also
Speaker 1: one of the nicest guys you could every be. Absolutely
Speaker 1: and I think everybody wants that watch his golf. Dad.
Speaker 1: They all love that wed shot where you've got a
Speaker 1: slope behind, you've got some room behind the flag. A
Speaker 1: player hits it, you know, pass and then spins it back.
Speaker 1: That's the one that I think everybody wishes they can hit.
Speaker 1: But you, I mean you more than anybody, with all
Speaker 1: the players, you you've looked at. One of the shots
Speaker 1: that I think Justin is is perfected is the no
Speaker 1: spin where the pin is tucked like they tuck him
Speaker 1: at Augusta to where you've got about a five yard
Speaker 1: area square. You need to throw it up on that
Speaker 1: slope and not spin it back. How the one that
Speaker 1: just one bounce and just kind of stops um. That's
Speaker 1: a hard shot to perfect, and it's a hard shot
Speaker 1: to perform under pressure. Well, first of all, you gotta
Speaker 1: take the ball out of the aar to do it.
Speaker 1: You gotta gotta stop hitting this thing, these balloon wedge
Speaker 1: shots that you see the average person here, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: average person loves to see the back spin. The players
Speaker 1: on the tour don't real they like that. I mean
Speaker 1: they want to they want to control us. So if
Speaker 1: you watch them, they send the ball in much lower trajectory.
Speaker 1: The ball goes in, makes one bounce, checks and may
Speaker 1: just dribble just a little. The only time you'll see
Speaker 1: a guy trying to really bring one back if there
Speaker 1: is a big slope there and they know they can
Speaker 1: carry it to the back of the green. It will
Speaker 1: come back down, but the fans love to see the
Speaker 1: spinning back. The players go, no, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: that thing spinning away from the whole, and doesn't. Justin
Speaker 1: Thomas has done a great job in controlling that. He
Speaker 1: really has done a great job in his swing. Right now,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's playing at the best of his ability.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the year, I mean, these
Speaker 1: guys are tired. They play a lot of golf, they
Speaker 1: work hard. It's gonna be interesting to see with the
Speaker 1: news schedule what happened because they are They're obviously gonna
Speaker 1: get real time off if they want to take it,
Speaker 1: which is pretty good too. UM. Rory McElroy had an
Speaker 1: interesting year. Um you know, a dominant performance and up
Speaker 1: in Canada where he looked like Rory McElroy and then
Speaker 1: you know, I think everybody I was at St. Andrew's
Speaker 1: UM I thought I just couldn't see him not winning
Speaker 1: another major championship at UM, an iconic venue. He has
Speaker 1: been very, very vocal in his thoughts on what's going
Speaker 1: on in golf on Live on the PGA tour um,
Speaker 1: he's kind of been the de facto mouthpiece of the
Speaker 1: PGA tour. Do you think that's wearing him out? Do
Speaker 1: you think that physically emotionally having to constantly ask get
Speaker 1: asked these questions by the back nine on Sunday when
Speaker 1: you have a chance to win your you're using a
Speaker 1: lot of emotional capital on other things that aren't golf.
Speaker 1: One of the things I admire about Rory Manfoy, I
Speaker 1: wonder her and got a beautiful golf swing, and he's
Speaker 1: a great player. I admire his honesty. I mean he
Speaker 1: he doesn't hide his thoughts. He's very honest about what
Speaker 1: he says. He doesn't do it in an ugly way.
Speaker 1: He doesn't do it in the mean way. He's just
Speaker 1: giving you his opinion. And because of that, he's the
Speaker 1: one they've kind of gone to all the time to
Speaker 1: get to Well, that was until Tiger Woods came into
Speaker 1: the scene with secret meeting. Sweet for twenty guys, I
Speaker 1: don't know how you got How about if you showed
Speaker 1: up wherever the meeting was he came in and you
Speaker 1: you're in the top twenty five in the world. It's
Speaker 1: not I'm sorry you're not You're not. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how they went about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, luckily they didn't do it at a tournament
Speaker 1: where it was a full field, so there's only seventy
Speaker 1: guys in the field. But let's say you're somebody that
Speaker 1: really wanted to be involved and kind of know what's
Speaker 1: going on, so you show up at the meeting. They go, now, sorry, bro,
Speaker 1: you can't. Yeah, I don't know where to have the invitation.
Speaker 1: I mean it was done offside in a hotel and
Speaker 1: in the meeting room. But yeah, I thought that was
Speaker 1: kind of strange. I saw one of the things that
Speaker 1: I noticed when they showed Tiger getting off his point.
Speaker 1: He was limping quite badly, which I didn't like to
Speaker 1: see because you know, we all love Tiger to get
Speaker 1: back and be able to play, so that didn't look good.
Speaker 1: And then he brought Ricky with him, who, as much
Speaker 1: as I love Ricky Feller, he wasn't involved in the
Speaker 1: conversation as far as I was continuing, hunding something in
Speaker 1: the world. But because he's such a great guy and
Speaker 1: everybody likes and maybe that was part of the whole
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's talking about what went down. You hear
Speaker 1: rumors and stuff, but until the guys actually come out
Speaker 1: and say, well, here's what we talked about. And maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Claude, I don't know, maybe the next week after
Speaker 1: the fed Ex Cup is over, and maybe we'll hear
Speaker 1: some of these things. Maybe we'll hear some of the
Speaker 1: things that happened there and what made him important. And
Speaker 1: going back to Rory, I admi Ory admi Ory a lot.
Speaker 1: He says what he feels. He doesn't pull any punches.
Speaker 1: He doesn't do it in an ugly way. He does
Speaker 1: it in a professional way, in a nice way. He
Speaker 1: hasn't it can shots at people. He just says, Look,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with him, but they have the right
Speaker 1: to do whatever they want, which is what the free
Speaker 1: enterprise is all about. So I admire m for it
Speaker 1: hasn't put a little pressure on him. I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: it's put pressure on him. I think he's probably tired
Speaker 1: of getting asked the damn questions. But unfortunately, because of
Speaker 1: the fact, he's one that will actually give you an intelligent,
Speaker 1: legitimate answer, unlike some of these guys who who don't
Speaker 1: give you any answers. And I'm not gonna say any names,
Speaker 1: but you may know one. Uh you know. That's the
Speaker 1: way it is. When when Rory plays like he played
Speaker 1: in Canada, where he's just, i mean dominating with the driver.
Speaker 1: Is he the best player in the game when he
Speaker 1: is firing on all cylinders because he he has the ability.
Speaker 1: There's two or three guys I think in the world.
Speaker 1: You know, DJ has been in that boat at times. Um,
Speaker 1: you know Tiger is in that boat. But Rory can
Speaker 1: make golf look so unbelievably easy when he is firing
Speaker 1: on all cylinders. But when he's on, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just like when Dustin was on the Dustin's prime. When
Speaker 1: he was on, he was the player, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Rory has that ability. For some reason, Rory hasn't had
Speaker 1: the ability to be as good on the weekends as
Speaker 1: he is in the in the first couple rounds, and
Speaker 1: that let me go back to what you were talking about,
Speaker 1: because I think it's the nervous system thing and how
Speaker 1: you control your nerves and stuff like that. He's far
Speaker 1: and away modern day the best driver I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: His swing is built for driving. If you look at it,
Speaker 1: it's not built to a sixty hard wedge shot. It's
Speaker 1: built a beautiful release. I mean he had hit some
Speaker 1: drives for seventy last week. I excuse me, almost four yard,
Speaker 1: not fourth seventing, but almost card and but there's more
Speaker 1: to golf than driving. To me, the two most important
Speaker 1: things to be a really good player as good driving
Speaker 1: and good putty. Well, he's got the good driving down.
Speaker 1: He's got to work on the consistency of the putty.
Speaker 1: Now the oppst into that is Kem Smith is the
Speaker 1: best part of what He doesn't drive the ball very well,
Speaker 1: so it's getting that out I'm talking about. Um. Another
Speaker 1: amazing performance over the weekend from Patrick Cantley. Um. When
Speaker 1: this kid gets an opportunity to win, there is no backup,
Speaker 1: there is no fear. I thought the shot he hit
Speaker 1: at seventeen were yet again another wedd shot where you
Speaker 1: have to hit one. You're trying to get that inside it,
Speaker 1: you know, ten ft he hits it to tap in
Speaker 1: another beautiful controlled What what do you like about Patrick's
Speaker 1: game and what do you like about him as as
Speaker 1: a player, Well, I think number one, he's got a
Speaker 1: beautiful golf swing. Fundamentally, he's got a beautiful rhythm in
Speaker 1: his swing is His patting stroke is very long and smooth,
Speaker 1: which mimics is Gosling. I think his coach, Jeremy Mulligan
Speaker 1: has done a wonderful job and letting Patrick be Patrick,
Speaker 1: not try and create a swing for him, just do
Speaker 1: what he does with his swing and make it better.
Speaker 1: He works tremendously hard on every part of his game.
Speaker 1: He minds me a lot of a Greg Norman or
Speaker 1: a Tiger Woods. The amount of time he puts in
Speaker 1: on every aspect of the game. Not just full swing,
Speaker 1: not just three quarters swing, not just part of not
Speaker 1: just tip. He does it all. He works extremely hard
Speaker 1: on it. Uh. He doesn't playing as many tournaments as
Speaker 1: a lot of the other guys playing, and he takes
Speaker 1: his time off, which I think is good. Uh. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have the most garious personality, so I don't think
Speaker 1: the average person knows him like we know the other
Speaker 1: players because he's kind of just refined and the way
Speaker 1: he is. But I mean this, this kid can really play.
Speaker 1: And look at where he's come from. I mean he
Speaker 1: went a few years he couldn't even hardly move. His
Speaker 1: back was so bad. Uh, he went to a terrible
Speaker 1: tragedy with his best friend was killed right in front
Speaker 1: of him. He saw it happen. I mean, this kid
Speaker 1: has gone through a lot, and I think that's why
Speaker 1: you see this Uh. I would say this kind of
Speaker 1: smoothed down demeanor that he has, he doesn't let things
Speaker 1: bother me. You don't see a lot of high you
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of loads, you don't see a
Speaker 1: lot of smiles, you don't see a lot of anger.
Speaker 1: He goes about his business very well. He's got a
Speaker 1: great head on his shoulder for golf. He understands the
Speaker 1: golf courses that he prepares beautifully for him player and
Speaker 1: another player. Um, even though he had to pull out
Speaker 1: last week with a back injury. Wills Alaturus. You know
Speaker 1: when when you spend as much time as we spend
Speaker 1: on the tours around the world, you see young players
Speaker 1: where they get close, they have opportunities. Um. Everybody can
Speaker 1: see that they can win golf tournaments. They should be
Speaker 1: winning golf tournaments. UM. It took Will a little bit
Speaker 1: longer to get his first one. UM, but very very
Speaker 1: impressive as a player. And you know he's part of
Speaker 1: that new generation of players, Dad that comes out. They
Speaker 1: come out of college. There's no learning curve, there's no
Speaker 1: apprentice shift. They come out they have chanced. Cam Young
Speaker 1: is another one of these guys that have just burst
Speaker 1: onto the scene and it looks like they belong. And
Speaker 1: it looks to me when you're around them that even
Speaker 1: though they haven't had the length of time on tour
Speaker 1: than other players, it looks like they feel like they
Speaker 1: belong in their first or second year. Why they can
Speaker 1: see what you're seeing is how wonderful the college system is.
Speaker 1: I mean, the college system is like Triple A Baseball
Speaker 1: League Baseball. I mean, they're they're they're groomed for this.
Speaker 1: They come out of college programs. Most of them only
Speaker 1: stay a couple of years, but they come out of
Speaker 1: college programs and they're ready to play. They walk on
Speaker 1: the tour, unlike guys like myself back in the sixties
Speaker 1: came on the tour and we were intimidated by the
Speaker 1: great players and stuff. You would tell yourself you weren't.
Speaker 1: But when you get older and you look back on it,
Speaker 1: you say, heck, can you get paired one of the
Speaker 1: best players in the world and you're nervous and how
Speaker 1: do I handle this? And things like that these guys
Speaker 1: they've they've got ice water in their mains. They just
Speaker 1: come out. They know they're good, they know their strengths.
Speaker 1: They all work hard. They work harder thing. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think Dela Tours gets a bad rap about being
Speaker 1: a bad putter. You know that bad did has missed
Speaker 1: some sort puts at various times. And you know Jordan's speech,
Speaker 1: this is two putters sometimes everybody talks about about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think he puts that bad. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: weird looking set up, the way he sets up the
Speaker 1: way he goes about it. But you can't win tournaments
Speaker 1: and compete in majors like he has. My god, how
Speaker 1: many seconds and thirds has he had already? You know,
Speaker 1: you be able to make putts. I just think it's
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Caud Is he's gonna win one of
Speaker 1: these and it's going to be a snowball going down here.
Speaker 1: Is he's just gonna take her. He's gonna do somewilar
Speaker 1: what Scottie Shefford done. He's gonna get a taste to
Speaker 1: win in. And Sheffard is another one who's a really
Speaker 1: good putter. He's gonna get a taste to win, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a taste to feel uncomfortable in that position.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you need a break to win. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: need something to happen to one of the other guys
Speaker 1: in a tournament. It's not good, it's been happening to you.
Speaker 1: And so I think this kid has got a great future.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's skinny, he looks like a one rond
Speaker 1: without a grip from kids. Unbelievable he and yet he
Speaker 1: cannot the heck at well, they all knock the heck Catt.
Speaker 1: But he's good. Whether he's going to turn it to
Speaker 1: be one of the great ones, time will tell. But
Speaker 1: he has the tools that I thought. He showed a
Speaker 1: lot of mental maturity. You know, in the playoff in
Speaker 1: Memphis for the first FedEx Um he gets unbelievably lucky
Speaker 1: late in the playoff for the ball not to go
Speaker 1: in the water, SEPs track of rinses it in the water.
Speaker 1: He and his new caddy Um go over. They look
Speaker 1: at their options. I mean a lot of people would
Speaker 1: have said, I'm gonna try and pull this off. Um
Speaker 1: a lot of maturity to go back to the drop
Speaker 1: zone and then stand up and again hit one of
Speaker 1: those wet shots that we were talking about earlier, a
Speaker 1: hundred and some odd yard wet shot that took one bounce,
Speaker 1: sat down and it gave him, you know, six ft
Speaker 1: for the wind. Right. What he did, he trusted his ability,
Speaker 1: He knew what his strengths were, He knew that, he
Speaker 1: knew that yardage was good for the way he likes
Speaker 1: to go about it, and it was perfect and once again,
Speaker 1: under pressure, he handled the situation. He did exactly what
Speaker 1: he had to do. It's Tiger going into a new
Speaker 1: phase in his life, Dad professionally, Um into that kind
Speaker 1: of Jack and Arnie role that Arnold had when he
Speaker 1: was still alive, to where they kind of were golf, right,
Speaker 1: they were professional golf. I mean, I know you. Arnold
Speaker 1: Palmer was your hero growing up. Um, you idolized him. Um,
Speaker 1: you've been a huge fan of Jack. You you spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time with both of them. I think
Speaker 1: when they were both alive, they were kind of seen
Speaker 1: as the professional game. Um, is that the role you
Speaker 1: think Tigers going towards. Do you think he's being pushed
Speaker 1: towards that role? Do you think it's a role that
Speaker 1: he wants, Because let's be honest. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people behind the scene saying, okay, now
Speaker 1: Tiger is gonna go. And you know you heard that
Speaker 1: Justin Thomas and Roy said, Tiger cares passionately about the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. But Dad, you worked for tigraphy years. Tiger
Speaker 1: never went to the locker room. He never went to
Speaker 1: the players lounge. He probably if you looked at the
Speaker 1: amount of people he consistently and religiously played practice round
Speaker 1: with in his career. In the early days, it was
Speaker 1: Marco Mira and John Cook. Was a very small group
Speaker 1: of people. And then he played practice around with Bubba,
Speaker 1: he played with Arginette. Well, now he plays a lot
Speaker 1: of his practice rounds with Justin. But it's not like
Speaker 1: Tiger rocks up and anybody can play with him. Um,
Speaker 1: he didn't interact right when you were around him. He
Speaker 1: Tiger didn't really interact with anyone else on tour. Tiger
Speaker 1: did his thing. So now this role that I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are big fans of the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour they want him to be this role kind
Speaker 1: of the de facto face of it. Um, how do
Speaker 1: you think this plays out for for Tiger? Well, first
Speaker 1: of all Tiger knew, but he had to be and
Speaker 1: how he had to be to be the greatest player
Speaker 1: in the world. And that's how he was. He got
Speaker 1: in his world and he didn't care for anybody else
Speaker 1: was and all you people are going to get in it.
Speaker 1: It's so the few he would let it into it.
Speaker 1: And so, yes, he didn't spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: in the locker room. The guys will tell you and
Speaker 1: all that he was fun to be around the locker room.
Speaker 1: That he's always giving it everybody a bunch of ship.
Speaker 1: He can't take it when they gave it back, he
Speaker 1: he cannot take it. But having said that, I think
Speaker 1: that you look at him as yes, all the young
Speaker 1: players look up to him. They all look up to him.
Speaker 1: If you look at the ten or twelve best young
Speaker 1: players in the world in their twenties, they are only
Speaker 1: on the tour because of Tiger Woods. Because when they
Speaker 1: were five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods was the man and they all wanted to be
Speaker 1: like him. So I think he carries a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of respect among the young players. And I think if
Speaker 1: you I don't know who went to that meeting, but
Speaker 1: I bet there wasn't a lot of old ones in there,
Speaker 1: but most of them were the younger ones, the younger
Speaker 1: superstars that are in there. And I think he relishes
Speaker 1: that role. I think it is a new time in
Speaker 1: his life. Yes, he would love to compete and win tournaments,
Speaker 1: that's what he's all about. But I think he likes
Speaker 1: the fact and and I don't know, only he knows,
Speaker 1: and the commissioner knows. Did the commissioner asked him to
Speaker 1: go do this or because this was a player's meeting,
Speaker 1: commissioner wasn't There was this Tiger's idea. Once again, I
Speaker 1: don't know how it all came about, but I things
Speaker 1: like this are good. You see players in baseball and
Speaker 1: football and basketball things aren't going right, so they have
Speaker 1: a players meeting. I'll get everybody out of here, to
Speaker 1: press out of here, all coaches out of here, Manager
Speaker 1: is everybody out of here. We're gonna talk this over.
Speaker 1: And I think they probably talked over what's been going on? What,
Speaker 1: what what avenue do we have to approach. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that a lot of them agreed with the fact.
Speaker 1: We just can't admit they exist because they're out there.
Speaker 1: So we have to figure out how we can all
Speaker 1: work together and make it good for all of us.
Speaker 1: And I think that if that's what that meeting was about,
Speaker 1: and I have to believe it was, I think that
Speaker 1: was good for the game because you need to have
Speaker 1: the players get together, not the not the managers, not
Speaker 1: the tour staff, not any of these. The players are
Speaker 1: the show. Other people are not the show. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to put anybody else down, but the
Speaker 1: players of the show. The players play, they like. The
Speaker 1: players don't play, Nobody likes it. And so I think
Speaker 1: it was a good meeting. I'd love to hear what
Speaker 1: really happened, whether we ever will hear that, and and
Speaker 1: I don't know, but somebody all leak it Sunday. I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that that you bring up the point
Speaker 1: that the players are the show. I mean, I've always
Speaker 1: thought that at times the p G A tour can
Speaker 1: come across that they think that they are the show.
Speaker 1: With this constant we provide this opportunity for you, We
Speaker 1: provide all these tournaments. Which is true, you played the tour,
Speaker 1: you had an opportunity to do it. You did not
Speaker 1: start flying around on private jets like Jack and Arnold
Speaker 1: did off of your tour career because you didn't play
Speaker 1: well enough. So this argument that I think sometimes the
Speaker 1: tour puts out that we provide this stage for you,
Speaker 1: But I mean, I live in Jupiter. There's I see
Speaker 1: guys that played on the PGA Tour at shopping malls,
Speaker 1: grocery stores all the time that are just normal people.
Speaker 1: Now they don't have a tour card anymore. The tour
Speaker 1: isn't calling them to find out how they are, how
Speaker 1: they're doing, anything that we can do to help you.
Speaker 1: If if you get an opportunity to play on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, you are only successful by what you do
Speaker 1: as a player, nothing else. Well, the tour is driven
Speaker 1: by the star power. There's no doubt about it. My dad,
Speaker 1: my dad had a great day. You were very kind
Speaker 1: to say I didn't play good to make you know how,
Speaker 1: didn't come close to me when I got out there,
Speaker 1: and that was about it. My dad had a great
Speaker 1: line about me. He just called me a hot dog,
Speaker 1: bro And I said that, what why do you call
Speaker 1: me a hot dog? Coach said, it's very simple, but
Speaker 1: you're a tournament. Three old guys sitting behind the green,
Speaker 1: they got their program out and there these great players
Speaker 1: have coming through. So who's in the next group? He said,
Speaker 1: we got Butch Harmon and Joe Jones and Sammy Sauce.
Speaker 1: Is not hell? There no good. Let's go get a
Speaker 1: hot dog. Yeah, there's that's all the outdog, bro. But
Speaker 1: the tour is driven by the stars, and the tour
Speaker 1: sometimes thinks it's all about that. Yes, they're the body
Speaker 1: that gives them the opportunity. But I think one of
Speaker 1: the things in this meeting and they talked about I
Speaker 1: think they talked about was I'm a firm believer, but
Speaker 1: everybody that qualifies for tournaments should get paid because here's
Speaker 1: the problem. It's costing your five to ten thousand a
Speaker 1: week to play on these tournaments. And he missed the time,
Speaker 1: you don't get any money. I don't think that's right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you signed a contract in baseball for four
Speaker 1: hundred million and you've got you still get to four
Speaker 1: hundred millions. So I think that was one of the
Speaker 1: things that we've talked about. Let's make it where everybody
Speaker 1: can at least make some money on this deal. And
Speaker 1: then we I'm sure they talked about we need the
Speaker 1: bigger tournaments with more money and stuff, and and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the tours found a hundred million and
Speaker 1: it looks like they're gonna find another hundred millions. So
Speaker 1: it's coming from somewhere. But you know, like I said
Speaker 1: to start off with, we'll get this crap all worked out.
Speaker 1: A mention guaranteed money has been something that everybody's talked about.
Speaker 1: You know, the live guys, the big guys, Phil d J,
Speaker 1: Bryson Brooks. Um, they've been given a lot of money. Um.
Speaker 1: Some people have a big problem with that. Um. In
Speaker 1: sports dad, Um, you know, Lebron James just signed a
Speaker 1: close to two year, hundred million dollar contract. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's going to practice any less. Dak Prescott signed
Speaker 1: a huge new contract last year with the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's taken any days off. It seems to
Speaker 1: me at times that we want golf, especially both professionally
Speaker 1: and recreationally, that we wanted to not evolve, That we
Speaker 1: want it to be like it was back in the day,
Speaker 1: you know, and the forties, fifties, sixties. Um. Frank Nabolos
Speaker 1: said something to me one time about when he used
Speaker 1: to do live from from the PGA Tour, from the Majors, whatever.
Speaker 1: When he would sit with Brandle and UM the guys
Speaker 1: on set, he said, you know, half the time when
Speaker 1: we're at a major championship, we devote half the show
Speaker 1: to talking about things that happened in the past. Why
Speaker 1: don't we spend the majority of the time on the
Speaker 1: show talking about golf today. Guaranteed money is something that
Speaker 1: you know everybody has as an athlete. Um, why do
Speaker 1: you think there has been this outcry of the guys
Speaker 1: that went to Live and people say, oh, you just
Speaker 1: you went for the money. It's guaranteed you're not gonna play,
Speaker 1: You're not going to practice. Where do you think that
Speaker 1: comes from? Just because of the way it's always been. No,
Speaker 1: I I have a very clear way of thinking on this.
Speaker 1: I think the players that went to the Lift, and
Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna agree with me on this, they
Speaker 1: created the problem because they went for the money. There's
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Let's just b s about I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play last and I'm gonna spend more time at home.
Speaker 1: And I said, no, you went for the money. So
Speaker 1: just say that because the average guy that works, if
Speaker 1: somebody is in a job and somebody comes up and said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you twenty times more money to come
Speaker 1: over here. They're gonna go over there and then they're
Speaker 1: gonna tell their their buddies say, yeah, they offered me
Speaker 1: more money. I went. So that to me, that's the
Speaker 1: first problem. I think the pr of the lift has
Speaker 1: not been good. The guys should have got together and
Speaker 1: be be honest. I think Pat Perez is the only
Speaker 1: one that says, yeah, right, I went for the money
Speaker 1: and forty six, forty seven years old, that offering me
Speaker 1: x y Z I'm going. I think if you asked
Speaker 1: Peter you Lind the same thing, he'd say, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: going And so just come out and say just tell
Speaker 1: it like it is, as we went for the money.
Speaker 1: This I'm going to grow the game better. No, that
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with it not growing any game.
Speaker 1: They're they're growing their bank accounts, which every sport sportsman
Speaker 1: has the right to do to get the best deal
Speaker 1: you can get. So I have a problem with people
Speaker 1: complaining about that, but I think they brought that on
Speaker 1: themselves by coming up with this other stuff. Secondly, the
Speaker 1: thing that really bothers me is that the public and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say I'm pro or anti lib.
Speaker 1: The public is coming out against these live guys because
Speaker 1: it's a Saudi run thing. Our government does Scautity Arabia.
Speaker 1: Every large corporation in the world doesn't Business Society Arabia.
Speaker 1: And so why they're picking on golfers. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: It offers to me have been the most underpaid superstars
Speaker 1: in all sports because they don't get big contracts. Yes,
Speaker 1: they make endorsement contracts, but you have to earn those
Speaker 1: and as soon as you play those go away professional
Speaker 1: athletes they signed these contracts. I mean, the Cleveland Brown
Speaker 1: has just signed a quarterback and pay them almost five
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars and the money is guaranteed, and and
Speaker 1: he's just he's a SAX offender and could go to jail.
Speaker 1: I mean, so why are you picking on us? The
Speaker 1: office are nice guys. We don't bother anybody. We just
Speaker 1: go play golf. And yeah, the guy had a chance
Speaker 1: to make a hundred million dollars that day. What somebody
Speaker 1: offered me a hundred million dollars, I'm gone, I'm over.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just tell it like it is. Um.
Speaker 1: Another guy that's that's been a part of this controversy.
Speaker 1: Dad Um, who you spent a lot of time with,
Speaker 1: who I think you consider a friend as well, Phil Mickelson.
Speaker 1: Um has been hard to watch Um some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that fills going through because you more than anybody
Speaker 1: who spent you know, as much time almost ten years
Speaker 1: with Phil Um, he can shoot himself in the foot
Speaker 1: better than anybody. Well, it feels very honest. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got no filter. That's one of the things I
Speaker 1: admired about one thing, one of the reasons we were friends,
Speaker 1: because I've got a lot of that in myself too,
Speaker 1: where we think you don't You don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of filter. What we think is what we say. And
Speaker 1: I think in all honestly, I'm gonna get film some credit.
Speaker 1: People didn't like about a lot of things he said
Speaker 1: about the tour. I think we're true, and I think
Speaker 1: the tour is now seen and and they're trying to
Speaker 1: change a lot of that stuff. So you gotta hand
Speaker 1: to feel for that. He has taken a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of criticism for you know, there's things that have come
Speaker 1: out about him and his personal life that he hasn't
Speaker 1: done it and Hey, look, we all make mistakes. Nobody's perfect,
Speaker 1: all right, yuh, we all make mistakes. There's things in
Speaker 1: our past ist but I think bygones should be gude,
Speaker 1: by God, let the field this go on and be filed.
Speaker 1: Feels about fifty two years old. Now he want to
Speaker 1: met a major fifty one, which is absolutely amazing, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest feats of all time. He had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to do what he did, to sign for The
Speaker 1: number that I heard was two hundred million. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's the number of number somebody offers you
Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars. I'll give damn who you are.
Speaker 1: You're going on, right, and what are the parameters are?
Speaker 1: There's two hundred million? What do I have to do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can do that. I can play golf. Now. I
Speaker 1: wish it was playing better, and I know he wishes
Speaker 1: he was playing better, and I know how hard he works.
Speaker 1: He's working at it. So I'd like to see him
Speaker 1: play a little better and be a superstar out there
Speaker 1: on the limb, because right now he's just one of
Speaker 1: the forty eight guys. Do you like, um, tell me
Speaker 1: some of the things you like about what Live is doing.
Speaker 1: And tell me some of the things that you don't like.
Speaker 1: I think they made it a lot more relaxed atmosphere. Well,
Speaker 1: obviously the guys already getting paid. The guys are still competitors.
Speaker 1: You know. People say, well then they're not hungry, Sure
Speaker 1: they are. It's four million dollars. First pride, you wait
Speaker 1: for the money, so you're still gonna go for the
Speaker 1: four million. I mean, I like the amount of money
Speaker 1: that they put out there. I don't like it it's
Speaker 1: only forty eight guys. I wish it was more players,
Speaker 1: and like, what would be so for you? What would
Speaker 1: be an ideal amount for you? Because we hear about
Speaker 1: lives only forty eight guys, but last week we've got seventy.
Speaker 1: This week we've got thirty tigers event in the Bahamas
Speaker 1: Hero there's eighteen guys in that. The old World Match
Speaker 1: Play that they used to have in London was a
Speaker 1: very limited field. There have always been tournaments done to
Speaker 1: where the fields are limited. I like, I like sixty.
Speaker 1: I think sixty is a good number. I think you,
Speaker 1: I think you could probably still do the shotgown starts
Speaker 1: with sixty. It might be harder to do, but you
Speaker 1: could do that I didn't like the shotgun starts. You
Speaker 1: tell me that the guys love it because they say
Speaker 1: everybody's playing on the same playing field at the same time,
Speaker 1: which is very good. The only problem I have with
Speaker 1: it is, let's say I'm leading the tournament by one
Speaker 1: and you're one behind, and you're finishing on an easy
Speaker 1: hole and I'm finishing on the hardest haul of the
Speaker 1: course and I make boat, you make Bertie, and we
Speaker 1: get a clipped. Now, that hasn't happened, but it could happen.
Speaker 1: You know that that's a possibility. Could happen. The players
Speaker 1: seem to like the shotgowns start because they said they're
Speaker 1: all playing in the same weather, same conditions. Greens are
Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, everything's the same. So the wind blowing
Speaker 1: the same on every hall, I mean, so they I
Speaker 1: can see where they like that. I would like to
Speaker 1: see sixty players, I think would be good. I don't
Speaker 1: know why they went to three rounds. That's the biggest
Speaker 1: question mark for me. I haven't read anything about why
Speaker 1: they went through. I know that's what l I V
Speaker 1: stands for. Its roll maneubals for fifty four, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know that Actually, I'm such a
Speaker 1: math genius and that's a but I'd like to see
Speaker 1: him go to sixty. I think he could bring over
Speaker 1: a lot more players get involved. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a You're never gonna hurt these guys with money, because
Speaker 1: if they need some money, they're just pump another well
Speaker 1: for five minutes and covers the whole tour, so you
Speaker 1: know they're not gonna run out of cash. Uh. But
Speaker 1: the whole live thing, and you know more about this
Speaker 1: than I do, card because you've been out there, You've
Speaker 1: been at every event. You get two players if you
Speaker 1: coach that are on it. Uh. I think we just
Speaker 1: have to see what's gonna happen. I think that the
Speaker 1: governing bodies European Tour, PGA Tour. For me, there's a
Speaker 1: way to coexists and here here, here's my way of Sorright.
Speaker 1: So you you get in a room right now with
Speaker 1: Greg Dorman and Jayme onhand, and someone asks you to
Speaker 1: be the moderator between the two of them. Okay, what
Speaker 1: advice are you given to Greg and what advice are
Speaker 1: you giving to j to try and see if there's
Speaker 1: a way that this whole thing can be less destructive
Speaker 1: and less aggressive than it is. First of all, I'd say,
Speaker 1: later he goes at the door, come in with no
Speaker 1: he goes, So let's come in with an open mind
Speaker 1: and see what we can do to make it better.
Speaker 1: That would be the first thing. The second thing I
Speaker 1: I would think if there is a way for the
Speaker 1: European Tour, the PGA Tour Live Tour to get together
Speaker 1: and have four or five huge tournaments either where participants
Speaker 1: from all three get to play. You can you can
Speaker 1: make it a hundredman field and you can do it
Speaker 1: off world ranking. You can do anyway you want to
Speaker 1: do it. I don't care for a two amount of
Speaker 1: money because that's what it's all about. And go to iconic,
Speaker 1: fabulous golf courses around the world and have this true
Speaker 1: world event. Now that's gonna happen. Probably not, because I
Speaker 1: don't think that J Monahan is. He would even go
Speaker 1: to the media at the moment, so I think until
Speaker 1: things calm down, I don't. I've never talked to J
Speaker 1: about it, so you know, I haven't had that opportunity.
Speaker 1: But I would love to see some kind of thing
Speaker 1: get together where it is a world advanta gigantic world
Speaker 1: event not opposed to the majors. The majors will always
Speaker 1: do the majors. They're they're ultimating golf is winning the Major.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you want twenty five tournaments in
Speaker 1: your life. You never want to major. I'm sorry you're
Speaker 1: not considered a great champion. But there's gotta be a
Speaker 1: way that they can coexist. Because but because I said
Speaker 1: to you earlier, it's just like our two political parties
Speaker 1: that the Republican the Democrats are going this way and
Speaker 1: they're not coming this way to try and get together
Speaker 1: and do what's best for the country. And I think
Speaker 1: these two organizations have to get together and do what's
Speaker 1: best for golf. You've got a lot of friends, um,
Speaker 1: that are AUGUSTA members. Um, You've got a lot of friends, Dad,
Speaker 1: that are real Augusta members. There are members that Augusta
Speaker 1: and then there are people that are part of the
Speaker 1: They are the gate keepers of Augusta National, the Masters,
Speaker 1: and they are part of the gate keepers of professional
Speaker 1: golf as as the governing bodies. UM. Knowing the way
Speaker 1: that Augusta and the Masters like to run their tournaments, um,
Speaker 1: you you, I know you believe they run their tournament.
Speaker 1: The Masters is the best run golf tournament. It's the
Speaker 1: best run sporting event in sports. You've you've always had.
Speaker 1: Where do you think they shake out on this? Because
Speaker 1: currently you've got Phil, You've got DJ you've got Patrick Red,
Speaker 1: you've got Cheryl schwaltzel um am I missing any Masters champions, Sergio,
Speaker 1: that's five. They've got fun. The last thing they want
Speaker 1: is the champions dinner and the picture that you know,
Speaker 1: you've got a picture in your office, your your your
Speaker 1: father was part of the first Champions official champions dinner
Speaker 1: in the fifties and and he was part of that,
Speaker 1: right and there's you've got a great picture in your office.
Speaker 1: The last thing that I think the powers that be
Speaker 1: in Augusta want. He's an asterisk where these great champions,
Speaker 1: I mean feels not only in Augusta champion. I mean
Speaker 1: he's a multiple Masters winner, Bubba Watson, who's now going
Speaker 1: to live, he's six, He's won that tournament twice. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't think they want to see a tournament where
Speaker 1: they're champions. I don't think they want to be taking
Speaker 1: names off the name plates in the in the champions
Speaker 1: locker room view. No, and I don't think that's gonna happen. Look,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of the augusted members. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't talk about what goes on there. It's very
Speaker 1: guarded and how who knows what's happening. I think they
Speaker 1: love tradition as much as any tournament, and having a
Speaker 1: former player for former champions there has always been one
Speaker 1: of their great traditions. My whole life, I've been going
Speaker 1: there because my dad was a farmer champion. I think,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen unless there's a way that the
Speaker 1: live players can get world rankings once they fall out
Speaker 1: of the top five world and they're not on the
Speaker 1: way that you can get in, and then that's going
Speaker 1: to be a problem for the players he can't get in.
Speaker 1: I think the champions will always be invited back. I
Speaker 1: don't foresee then there's six of them over there, so
Speaker 1: I don't see for them doing I think the tour
Speaker 1: taking these guys names off of the all time lists
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, that's very petty. It's chowish. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're in the we're in the playyard, and the guy's
Speaker 1: got all the toys and we want to play with
Speaker 1: him and gets mad at me, and he picks all
Speaker 1: those toys up and leaves and you can't have any
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I relate that. I think it's
Speaker 1: very childish the way they've done that. These guys earn
Speaker 1: the right Look, let's use Philip Bikerson for example. Bill
Speaker 1: Michelson's one what six majors, six mates, six majors, forty
Speaker 1: five tournaments. He's a tour member for life, for life,
Speaker 1: all before the lift. How can you take that away?
Speaker 1: He gave it to him. He's a toy member for life.
Speaker 1: You tell me can't be one because he went he
Speaker 1: took his toy is away from your play are and
Speaker 1: your little piste off about it. No, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: That's why I say I think there's too much petty
Speaker 1: stuff going on. And I don't think Augusta will get involved. Man.
Speaker 1: I think Augusta is Augusta. They will run their tournament
Speaker 1: and it is the best runs point event in the world.
Speaker 1: They will run it the way they like to run it.
Speaker 1: They'll run it with class the top fifty in the
Speaker 1: world or a tournament winner on the PGA Tour and
Speaker 1: gets in the Masters. That will always be the way
Speaker 1: it is and if you're not in the top fifty
Speaker 1: in the world, that's your problem. But the former champions,
Speaker 1: I think will always be allowed. Do you think, um,
Speaker 1: do you think there's a way that the Live guys
Speaker 1: and the Live Tour get World ranking points so that
Speaker 1: they have an opportunity to play in this because listen, UM,
Speaker 1: it's a vote. But if you look at the people
Speaker 1: that are voting on the world rankings, UM, you Live
Speaker 1: doesn't have a seat at that table. Some of the
Speaker 1: other governing bodies do. That has a lot of seatson.
Speaker 1: It's funny. We were in Portland at the Living It
Speaker 1: Do and UM, you know, as you mentioned, it's very
Speaker 1: weird for me because this year I was working you know,
Speaker 1: I've been working with DJ, I been working with Pat Perez,
Speaker 1: and I was working with Garrick Kego, the young South
Speaker 1: Africa Ken. Garrick was on the PGA tour. UM, DJ
Speaker 1: and Pat made the decision to go to Live, and
Speaker 1: you know, I was trying to figure out how I
Speaker 1: was going to bounce back and forth and so Um,
Speaker 1: the Monday of the first Live event in London, UM
Speaker 1: Garret the young kids said listen, you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to kind of go back to doing my own thing.
Speaker 1: And so so it's not that I'm I don't want
Speaker 1: to go back on the PGA Tour. It's just the
Speaker 1: guys that I'm working with right now or on the
Speaker 1: Live tour. So it's where that you know, like we're
Speaker 1: hired guns, right, we go where the work is. Um,
Speaker 1: we we have to go where the players are. But
Speaker 1: I'm just if you think there's a way that they
Speaker 1: can get world ranking points and so that we can
Speaker 1: have more competition, um, rightly or wrongly, I think some
Speaker 1: of the things that Greg has talked about in the
Speaker 1: past about trying to get the best players in the
Speaker 1: world together more often. I mean you've you've talked about it,
Speaker 1: you know, privately with me for a long time. There's
Speaker 1: too many damn tournaments on the PGA Tour. I mean,
Speaker 1: so in in an ideal world for you, you know,
Speaker 1: we've got almost forty What do we have over forty
Speaker 1: tournaments on the page for you? What would be a
Speaker 1: good number of p g A Tour events twenty five thirty? Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, let's let's go to the fifty top
Speaker 1: fifty in the world. As long as the live is
Speaker 1: playing fifty four holes, They're never going to get any
Speaker 1: world right before, So they gotta go to seventy two
Speaker 1: holes because they got the apples to apples, you can't
Speaker 1: play less holes, and so that's the first thing that
Speaker 1: would have to happen. Uh. Second of all, I don't
Speaker 1: know what what what you can do to make what
Speaker 1: you were just talking about happen. Have they pulled your
Speaker 1: credentials p A Tour taking your credential away from you?
Speaker 1: Or will you get one next year? That would be interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, they haven't pulled my credential. But normally, I
Speaker 1: mean we're one week away, so the PGA Tour season
Speaker 1: starts in three week. I mean when when they do
Speaker 1: the wrap around? What a week or two weeks after normally?
Speaker 1: At this point I need to go through my emails
Speaker 1: and look is normally I would have gotten a critical
Speaker 1: just the PJ Tour has no idea that I'm no
Speaker 1: longer working with garat Kego. I mean, I've got a
Speaker 1: credential on the PGA Tour. I could go to the
Speaker 1: Tour Championship today with my credential. Um, I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 1: I've heard some rumors um that one of the South
Speaker 1: African caddies. Um, that was caddying on the Champions Tour.
Speaker 1: I've heard some rumors that maybe his credential. I just
Speaker 1: I mean, you you said that earlier. It is really
Speaker 1: it seems petty. It seems like you the guys you
Speaker 1: know in pont of Bed should be worried about trying
Speaker 1: to figure out a solution as opposed to trying to
Speaker 1: pull people credential. Were in Portland for the second Live
Speaker 1: event and that's when they pulled DJ off the all
Speaker 1: time money list. You know, DJ was third in all
Speaker 1: time money, you know, seventy seventy three thousand, seventy three
Speaker 1: million dollars seventy four million dollars or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And somebody said something to him, and no joke true.
Speaker 1: DJ goes yeah. I mean it's kind of I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of petty, but he goes bro. I don't care.
Speaker 1: It's not like I don't have the money. Yeah, it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's just I'm gonna say it
Speaker 1: for the third time. This is the last time. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of politics in our country. Both parties were
Speaker 1: probably Democrats going away from each other instead of coming
Speaker 1: towards each other. All they talked about is how bad
Speaker 1: the other person is not. Let's fix this. Fix that.
Speaker 1: They've got to come together. There has to be a
Speaker 1: meeting of the ways. There has to be put your
Speaker 1: egos aside, let's make this thing work. And I think
Speaker 1: the Tiger meeting was probably the start of it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I said, I know some of the
Speaker 1: guys that were there, but they're not talking about what
Speaker 1: went down. The Tiger meeting was probably the start of that.
Speaker 1: Let's have a players meeting, Let's see what we need
Speaker 1: to do here. Let's all get on the same page.
Speaker 1: Any of you want to go to Live, you know,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I know Tiger has mentioned that before that
Speaker 1: he's not a fan of Live, but he doesn't hold
Speaker 1: it against anybody to win because you you know, gone
Speaker 1: for a chance to make a lot of money. He
Speaker 1: he didn't need the billion dollars. He's already you're talking.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny you talk about, you know, Tiger
Speaker 1: talking about where's guaranteed money? Where's the incentive? I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: I mean you and I'm at Tiger on the same day.
Speaker 1: I think he's the greatest golfer of all time. Um,
Speaker 1: but there isn't a player currently playing that had more
Speaker 1: guaranteed cash. I mean you, you, you helped. You flew
Speaker 1: to Tiger's first event as a pro with him on
Speaker 1: a G four fifty on a private jet. He was
Speaker 1: flying on a private jet from day one. This is
Speaker 1: a guy that's had guaranteed money before he turned pro, right,
Speaker 1: and it sure as hell didn't keep him from not
Speaker 1: being the greatest player of all time. He made more
Speaker 1: money than anybody. Yeah, I disagree with the people that
Speaker 1: say that there's no one sentive to win. A professional
Speaker 1: golfer wants to win. They have a self pride. They're
Speaker 1: not going to just go out there and let themselves
Speaker 1: go and not do their training and not or can
Speaker 1: shoot bad scores. No, that that's not who they are.
Speaker 1: They want to win. And I think there's a motivational
Speaker 1: factor there because this has been thrown around a lot.
Speaker 1: To those forty eight guys that are playing there, they're
Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, wait, but we're gonna show you what
Speaker 1: we can do. I'm gonna stick to this right back up,
Speaker 1: bed around like you've been trying to figure it out. Mine.
Speaker 1: So this is going to motivate me to even work
Speaker 1: harder and play better. So you know, I don't. You know,
Speaker 1: I can understand because it's kind of like a corporate
Speaker 1: outing atmosphere with the parties, and I don't get the
Speaker 1: music and but all that that's going on, and the
Speaker 1: guys are more relaxed, and hey, these are professionals. They
Speaker 1: have pride. They don't want to go out there and
Speaker 1: make a food out of himself and look bad. I
Speaker 1: guarantee it. Phil Mickelson is not happy with himself the
Speaker 1: way he's been playing. And if I don't know what
Speaker 1: Bill is doing now, because I haven't talked to him,
Speaker 1: changed his phone numbers, so I don't have his phone
Speaker 1: number anymore. If I did, I'm guaranteed and I talked
Speaker 1: to him, he working his tail off because he doesn't
Speaker 1: like to put playing bad and looking like a bad player.
Speaker 1: Nobody's like said. So I think it's an incentive almost
Speaker 1: a thing that they can use to motivate themselves. They
Speaker 1: even get better and see better scores. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I sent it to you. Somebody made up a mock
Speaker 1: up that if there was a live versus the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour Ryder Cup kind of format right now, you get
Speaker 1: Greg Norman as the captain of the live guys, you
Speaker 1: get Tigers the captain of the um the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: And if you look at kind of how it could
Speaker 1: play out with the stars, um, you know for years
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup. Um, Yeah, the guys liked each other.
Speaker 1: I mean didn't some of some of the guys didn't
Speaker 1: like it. But there wasn't real real beef in the
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup, right I mean it wasn't. If there was
Speaker 1: a Ryder Cup type format now with live versus the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, if they did it next year, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's real beef. There's a bunch of guys right now
Speaker 1: on one side they're saying they don't like these guys.
Speaker 1: The captains don't like each other. I mean it could
Speaker 1: be it could be really really interesting to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and if there was a playoff, you'd have
Speaker 1: to have a US you have see uh stadium set
Speaker 1: up so they can side it out you want to
Speaker 1: do And I'm betting on Greg. And that's fight Greg
Speaker 1: versus man of hand. Now that's not much of the sight. Um. Lastly, Dad,
Speaker 1: you're coming up next week on a or at the
Speaker 1: end of the end of this week, monument almost a
Speaker 1: monumental birthday, seventy nine years old. It's Um, You've had
Speaker 1: a hell of a life and a hell of a career. Um,
Speaker 1: what still motivates you? Now? I know you still work
Speaker 1: with you know players. You know you work with Gary Woodland,
Speaker 1: you work with Daniel Kaye, you work with Matt McNeely.
Speaker 1: I think you've done a hell of a job with
Speaker 1: with Harold Varner. Um you're still doing work with Web Sinson.
Speaker 1: But what at this stage of your life, Dad, you
Speaker 1: could I mean, you don't have to work, you can
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. What still motivates you to work
Speaker 1: with these players? And and what's that like at your age?
Speaker 1: I love, I love to be around great players. I
Speaker 1: love to watch him, I love to see what they do.
Speaker 1: I love to learn from him. I love to teach,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't teach so much to
Speaker 1: the normal players anymore because they kind of wore me
Speaker 1: out with bad swing. But I still I love the game.
Speaker 1: I love being around the game, I love being in it.
Speaker 1: I'm very frustrated that my game at the moments not
Speaker 1: real good. You know how hard I am on myself
Speaker 1: when it comes to that. So I still try and
Speaker 1: practice and work on different things. I got delete to
Speaker 1: give me a lesson that you give me a lesson.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just turning into Curtis Strange. I think, I
Speaker 1: think if I go, because I just I just want
Speaker 1: to play. The only good thing I can say about
Speaker 1: being seventy nine is that much easier to shoot my
Speaker 1: age one shot lower. I gotta shoot. I've done it
Speaker 1: ever since I was sixty six. So you go, what
Speaker 1: what tease do you play for them? I like to
Speaker 1: play it about sixty two hundred, sixty three hundred. How
Speaker 1: far are you carrying it in the air with the
Speaker 1: driver right now? Maybe two fifteen. I always tell people
Speaker 1: they say, how do you how are you playing these days?
Speaker 1: Which I said, you know, I got a great short
Speaker 1: game to go, really said. The trouble is it's with
Speaker 1: my driver, doesn't doesn't? I mean? And I don't think
Speaker 1: people realize this about you. I know it pisces you
Speaker 1: off that you don't hit the golf ball further at
Speaker 1: your age. I know it just it drives you crazy.
Speaker 1: I try, I try to try to hit it further
Speaker 1: and try, you know, I just want to get the
Speaker 1: best out of what I got. You know, I'm at
Speaker 1: the test center a couple of times in the past
Speaker 1: months and trying the new drivers. You know, can they
Speaker 1: say they go three to five hole an hour faster.
Speaker 1: I don't know what machine you're testing that on. Right
Speaker 1: with my swing, I get you that at an eight
Speaker 1: mile an hour coverage, and I have it, gonna throw
Speaker 1: it out there very far. I just played to have fun,
Speaker 1: and I planned with my buddies. I planned a few
Speaker 1: Membory guests a year with good friends of mine. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm playing to Wingfoot's Memory Guests and in October,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. I always playing the Flaridian
Speaker 1: one I play. You know, I've got I can playing
Speaker 1: membery time to compete, you know, and I no different
Speaker 1: than any golfer. I don't like that shots That shots
Speaker 1: kissed me off because my problem is my mind knows
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm trying to do, and my body is
Speaker 1: looking at me said, who the hell are you kids kidding? No, man,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. So I gotta the way of
Speaker 1: doing things. Billy, Billy kind of helped me a lillly.
Speaker 1: You helped me once down to flow. So I got
Speaker 1: a lot of information flying about the problem with me
Speaker 1: is I do none of the things I tell all
Speaker 1: my players to do. I don't work out, I don't stretch,
Speaker 1: I don't eat right, you know, I just I'm just me.
Speaker 1: And then then I have to go out there and perform,
Speaker 1: you know, and you have to work at it. But
Speaker 1: the game is the beating of this game is like
Speaker 1: I got me seventy nine. It's I can still play golf.
Speaker 1: I can still enjoy myself. As you know, I became
Speaker 1: a member of my favorite course in the whole World
Speaker 1: warld County down just over there. I'm just gonna ask you,
Speaker 1: you got to take a you know, it is your
Speaker 1: favorite course. You'd wanted to be a member there forever.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Dunn, Um it was an AUGUSTA member and run seminal.
Speaker 1: He helped you get in. UM. Why don't you tell
Speaker 1: once you tell us about you took a special golf
Speaker 1: trip that I know, UM was something that that that
Speaker 1: was pretty unique in what you were able to do well.
Speaker 1: We I became a member of two thousand and nineteen
Speaker 1: and then COVID came. You know, I was over there
Speaker 1: with some friends of mine and two that of the
Speaker 1: nineteen before I made a member. It is my favorite
Speaker 1: golf course, but I think World County Down and it's
Speaker 1: the final scoff coution. I love the place. It's a
Speaker 1: great membership, great course. Uh so I never got to
Speaker 1: go COVID handed the trip that was organized by Jimmy
Speaker 1: Dunn and Stan Drucken Miller, a bunch of Augusta members
Speaker 1: who are good friends of mine, who happened to all
Speaker 1: the members at the Royal County Down. They decided to
Speaker 1: come out. We gotta take a bunch over for his
Speaker 1: first time in the Royal County Down, and so you
Speaker 1: know it was, it was so so so let me
Speaker 1: let me set this. Let me set the sea middle seat,
Speaker 1: uh middle seat on on a on a budget airline
Speaker 1: and you you have like fifty five or six stops. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had an eighty in dollar global brand new one
Speaker 1: bla blahs that you could hit wedges inside this plane.
Speaker 1: We could have putting contests. Uh yeah. I had a
Speaker 1: good seat sitting right next to my man stand rock
Speaker 1: A Miller whose plane it was. You think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get far away from him, You're crazy. And we had
Speaker 1: a wonderful time. We stayed right there at the hotel
Speaker 1: at the course. We went up and played Port Rush
Speaker 1: and then we came back down and then played three
Speaker 1: rounds and well kind of down. It was a quick trip.
Speaker 1: It was like a four day trip. And then we
Speaker 1: were back and it was Man, if you're donn't go
Speaker 1: and you know, somebody's got one of those hop on
Speaker 1: that damn thanks that is that is a unique situation
Speaker 1: that um, most people listening can only dream of. Uh
Speaker 1: about this cause when we landed over there and they
Speaker 1: take you out to this private area to depart the
Speaker 1: plane and everything, you know, that's this new Global. It's gigantic.
Speaker 1: It's a big airplane and guys there, and you know
Speaker 1: how it is because I've done a sky for twenty
Speaker 1: five years. Comes this big plane landing and this guy
Speaker 1: that's in there bringing them in like this and bringing
Speaker 1: them in and okay, that's good kind of Um. The
Speaker 1: stairs come up and okay, here's they pulled this bus
Speaker 1: up and get all our stuff and get there and
Speaker 1: there there are these two guys out there. They were, well,
Speaker 1: they're taking care of the planet, isn't I had all
Speaker 1: these guys in a billionaires getting off this plane, and
Speaker 1: these two guys say, Mr Harmon, please can we have
Speaker 1: a picture with you in front of your plane? I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Druk love that he was gonna be crapped
Speaker 1: the whole time about it, said, where do I send
Speaker 1: a fuel bills? You don't want that thing. I think
Speaker 1: you had a lot of great things to say, and
Speaker 1: and hopefully, um hopefully, like you said, I think maybe
Speaker 1: everybody can put on both sides, can put their egos aside,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, try and figure this thing out,
Speaker 1: because hopefully next time we talk to you will have
Speaker 1: seen some progress and maybe a little less chaos. Well,
Speaker 1: I would hope that. I hope. I hope they get
Speaker 1: together and let's let's stop fighting and let's try and
Speaker 1: make this work free enterprise. It's just that that's what
Speaker 1: our country has founded on, that you have the right
Speaker 1: to try and do whatever you can do and do
Speaker 1: the best for you and your family, which I think
Speaker 1: is what the guys that are over live we're doing.
Speaker 1: I just hope they all get together, and I'm very
Speaker 1: curious to see how many more jump over there with you.
Speaker 1: So I think there's gonna be some big names, You're
Speaker 1: gonna do it and we'll see what happens. Well, I
Speaker 1: will give you an update um from Boston, and uh
Speaker 1: really looking forward um to the Tour Championship this week. Um.
Speaker 1: You know there's a lot of good players playing some
Speaker 1: really really good golf late in the season. UM. I
Speaker 1: think it'd be a hell of a story with all
Speaker 1: of the guys. If can't they can win again. If
Speaker 1: you know, Scotty Scheffler can win it, um, and maybe
Speaker 1: somebody comes out of the pack, who knows, you know, Claude,
Speaker 1: our good friend Adams. Scott got in there with a
Speaker 1: great last man. I'm so happy for Scott and got
Speaker 1: he made a great, great bunker shot on a seventy
Speaker 1: second holding get the last spot, the thirtieth spot. So
Speaker 1: happy for him because he's a great guy. And hey,
Speaker 1: hang in there, let's let's let's hope that we can
Speaker 1: get something done here and everybody get along together and
Speaker 1: dal stop. We don't need we don't need the w
Speaker 1: W E and golf. We just good, good players, good
Speaker 1: scores take care of a lot of things. Congratulations on
Speaker 1: all your success. I'm really proud of you, Quoudy, And
Speaker 1: now how hard you worked at what you do. And
Speaker 1: you you're a wonderful young man and young what you're
Speaker 1: fifty something, you know, you three, you're young to mate.
Speaker 1: But I'm really proud of you. I love you, Thank you,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. You got it.
Speaker 1: So that was butch harmon and listen, you're always gonna
Speaker 1: get great takes from my dad. He's been around the
Speaker 1: game his entire life, and I thought he had some
Speaker 1: really really interesting things to say. Listen, UM, my dad
Speaker 1: loves golf. Golf is his life. And uh, he mentioned
Speaker 1: he's going to be turning seventy nine in a few days.
Speaker 1: And um, we've had private conversations about what's going on, um,
Speaker 1: what's happening in the professional game. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: lucky enough to be a part of the professional game,
Speaker 1: both on the PGA Tour, on the Live Tour and
Speaker 1: all around the world. And UM, I thought that, you know,
Speaker 1: my dad had some great ideas that if if everybody could,
Speaker 1: you know, quit going to these extreme opposites and meet
Speaker 1: in the middle, I think the game would be a
Speaker 1: better place. Hopefully, uh, there will be some solutions and
Speaker 1: hopefully things will um die down and you know, a
Speaker 1: year from now maybe things look a lot different. So
Speaker 1: no questions this week, but uh next week. The recent
Speaker 1: Open champion Ashley Bouhai, who played just an amazing round
Speaker 1: of golf, big playoff win and she wins her first
Speaker 1: major and it was really cool to talk to her
Speaker 1: about that journey, uh, from South Africa to being now
Speaker 1: a major champion. And we've got some really really good
Speaker 1: guests lines up for the future. Keep going to my
Speaker 1: social Twitter Instagram. We'll be putting up um questions, be
Speaker 1: asking who you want to hear on the podcast. But
Speaker 1: really really excited to launch the new podcast. Want to
Speaker 1: thank everybody for listening. The Son of a Butch podcast
Speaker 1: will come to you every Wednesday. We will see you
Speaker 1: next week.