WEBVTT - Butch Harmon

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everyone to the first episode of the Son of

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<v Speaker 1>a Butch podcast. I'm your host, Claude Harmon. Took the

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<v Speaker 1>summer off really excited to be back. A new partner,

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<v Speaker 1>new name for the show. Partner is I Heart Radio. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to have a summer off. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>thank everybody at golf dot com who we partnered with

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<v Speaker 1>last year for the podcast. UM that and at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of May, UH, I didn't get shut down by Live,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to not do the podcast because of Live,

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<v Speaker 1>all the Live conspiracy theories. There's a lot of crazy

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<v Speaker 1>shit out there. But UM, really excited to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys know the drill. We're going to have great guests, golfers,

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<v Speaker 1>people that love golf, and hopefully you'll get better by listening.

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<v Speaker 1>I always say golf is a pretty simple game that

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<v Speaker 1>confusedes smart people. And one of the things UH, A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the feedback that I got UH from last

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<v Speaker 1>year's UM podcast was UM that we had great guests,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just can't thank everyone enough for listening because listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think the podcast was was going to take off,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that I didn't do it. I was

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<v Speaker 1>constantly getting messages saying where's the podcast? So it's back.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're gonna have a podcast named Son of

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<v Speaker 1>a Butch, who better to have his first guests if

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<v Speaker 1>your dad's name is Butch Harmon than Butch Harmon. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Last time we talked to my dad on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was the week after the Masters, and

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<v Speaker 1>how the golf landscape has changed. He's got some great

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<v Speaker 1>takes on kind of where we are today. We talk

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<v Speaker 1>about all the major champions. Uh, just such an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>year in the majors, and uh, maybe talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>future of where golf is going. So the Son of

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<v Speaker 1>a Butcher podcast first episode, sit back and enjoy listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the legend that is Butch Harmon. So the obvious

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<v Speaker 1>choice for the first guest of the new launch of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast um is Butch Harmon. If I'd told you

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<v Speaker 1>at augusta National Scottie Shuffler has just played unbelievable. He's

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<v Speaker 1>won his first green jacket and then he he starts

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<v Speaker 1>out and then we have what we have now as

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<v Speaker 1>the Gulf landscape, which you've believed that golf would be

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<v Speaker 1>where it is today, No, I think I wouldn't believe

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<v Speaker 1>the chaos that's going on. There's a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, you you're you're kind of involved that

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<v Speaker 1>with a couple of players as you teach, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just life moves on in different challenges you're thrown out

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<v Speaker 1>there and this is kind of a big one. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to wait and see what happens. And I

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<v Speaker 1>just think the parties, both parties on both sides, the

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<v Speaker 1>live side, the pgate tours side, and they take a

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<v Speaker 1>deep breath and say, hey, look, let's just try and

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<v Speaker 1>get along and let's let's see what we can do

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<v Speaker 1>to make this work. And until that happens, I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is all going to be a bunch of turmoil.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I have talked about this before. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be some more guys switch over. Who they are,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You hear all the routenents, but until

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<v Speaker 1>they do, we won't know. And I think if any

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<v Speaker 1>of the bigger, younger stars switch over, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>think the tour is going to have to somehow are

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<v Speaker 1>some some way try and get along. Uh Interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>now they're coming up with all these new plans to

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<v Speaker 1>pump up prize money very similar to what the Live

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<v Speaker 1>is all these different things and selling them so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's I don't know. I think it reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of politics. Uh these days, both parties are

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<v Speaker 1>going this way instead of coming this way. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you've been good friends with Greg Norman for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a better part of thirty years. You coached him, You

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<v Speaker 1>helped make him, you know, get him back to number

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<v Speaker 1>one in the world, he helped him win a major. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you consider him a friend. You also played

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<v Speaker 1>the PGA Tour. It was your home as a player,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was your home as a coach for the

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<v Speaker 1>better part of thirty years. Um. Do you think there's

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<v Speaker 1>a way that this moves forward and we end up

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<v Speaker 1>with the Live guys doing their thing and the PGA

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<v Speaker 1>Tour doing their thing. Do you think there's a way

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<v Speaker 1>that they can come together or do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>ship has already sailed? Well, I would hope there's a

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<v Speaker 1>way they could come together. I think for the betterment

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<v Speaker 1>of the game. And it doesn't hurt to have two

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<v Speaker 1>different leads. I mean, I gotta give you an example.

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<v Speaker 1>When I went to my Q school in nineteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>the players broke away from the PGA of America and

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<v Speaker 1>there was two c schools, and I can remember asking

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<v Speaker 1>my dad which one do I go to? The one

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<v Speaker 1>with the players are the ones with the PJA of American.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, you always go where the players going, So

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<v Speaker 1>I did so I went through a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>this myself at that point in time. Nothing like this

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<v Speaker 1>though called because of the money that's been thrown around.

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<v Speaker 1>Look Great had this idea twenty seven years ago and

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<v Speaker 1>he approached it. He had a TV contract, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of big stars signed up, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, the tour got ahead of it and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and it went away. So he's always had the this

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<v Speaker 1>idea in his head that he would like to get

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<v Speaker 1>this done. Now, this opportunity came along, and the salities

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<v Speaker 1>came along with their idea, and Greg is involved big time.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think at this point in time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know both the commissioner Minaham and Greg Norman,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they both need to put their egos aside

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<v Speaker 1>and let's look at what's best for the game and

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<v Speaker 1>then try and get together because, as you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>involved with lib Twitter more than I. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>anything around except what I read you. You you're out

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<v Speaker 1>there on it. It's not going away. It's here to stay.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's figure out a way to make it work.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I think the sad thing is we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the were going into the Tour Championship,

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<v Speaker 1>so the PGH Tour schedule has run its course. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the four majors this year, Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>Scottie Scheffler, Justin Thomas, Matt Fitzpatrick camp Smith, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I think the thing that's I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people feel like the golf is being overshadowed because if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the way those four majors were one

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<v Speaker 1>and if you look at the golf played by those

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<v Speaker 1>four players, I mean it was some it was some

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable golf. I mean, well the most recent one, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>the way camp Smith performed at the Open Championship down

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<v Speaker 1>the stretch was unbelievable golf, no doubt about it. And

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<v Speaker 1>and look at the Sean Patrick Kpatrick hit on the

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<v Speaker 1>seventy second hall at the Country coming book on from

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<v Speaker 1>a fairway bunker with a lip in front of one

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<v Speaker 1>of the find the shots you'll ever see under pressure hit.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're right, The four Majors were very exciting. I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the strange thing I'm seeing and what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on is because of the known quote unquote known stupor

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<v Speaker 1>superstars that the Dustin Johnson the books kept, because the

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<v Speaker 1>speeds that Justin Thomas's, these guys, uh, they haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>up there on the leaderboards for a while, so all

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<v Speaker 1>these young guys are getting a chance and they're coming along.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fantastic players, as you and I know, unbelievable players,

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<v Speaker 1>but the tour is driven by star power, and the

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<v Speaker 1>stars that everybody knew are not quite there at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're seeing all the young guys you. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for Scottie Sheffer. He has had a phenomenal year,

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<v Speaker 1>just beyond belief. What a great year he's had in

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<v Speaker 1>a time when there's so many good players. But I

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee you, if you went to any golf tournament and

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<v Speaker 1>said who's the number one player in the world, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>would know it's Scottie Sheffer. And that's sad yeh ask

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<v Speaker 1>for you. I thought, um, you mentioned Matt Fitzpatrick at

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<v Speaker 1>the US open Um. I've I've watched a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>golf as you have, and you watch these players, dad,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're on tour, you watch, even if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>work with them, you watch their work ethic, You watch

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<v Speaker 1>how hard their work. I gotta be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know if I've seen a kid

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<v Speaker 1>work harder day in day out than Matt Fitzpatrick does

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<v Speaker 1>on on all parts of his game, from his short

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<v Speaker 1>game to his putting, to his full swing, to his fitness.

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<v Speaker 1>Um in an age to where length is so hugely,

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<v Speaker 1>hugely important, Um, do you think it's good for the

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<v Speaker 1>professional game that a guy like Matt Fitzpatrick just through

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<v Speaker 1>standing up, hitting shots, hitting the right shots at the

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<v Speaker 1>right time, making the right pots on a difficult golf course. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Brookline is not an easy golf course. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is a really good thing for professional

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<v Speaker 1>golf that players light met Fitzpatrick win majors because all

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<v Speaker 1>we hear is if you don't have length, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>win well. First of all, match fast. Fitzpatrick has done

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<v Speaker 1>everything to make himself better from where he won the

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<v Speaker 1>US Amate threw years ago to where he is now,

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<v Speaker 1>He's a completely different player. I think he's a different

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<v Speaker 1>player this year than he was a year ago. He

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<v Speaker 1>hits the ball further. He's done a lot of speed training. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He has done everything he can to get the best

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<v Speaker 1>out of his ability in a way. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a put down to Matt Fitzpatrick. He could almost

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<v Speaker 1>say he's a little bit of an overachiever in modern

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<v Speaker 1>day golf because he doesn't hit it three hundred six

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<v Speaker 1>e r's off the tea. He doesn't do the things

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. He's a little guy, he's not a big guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got a great caddy and Billy Foster, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best caddies in the history of the game, who

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<v Speaker 1>has helped him tremendously. And I gotta take my hat

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<v Speaker 1>off to him. I admire him. I think it's phenomenal

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<v Speaker 1>what he's done. And it just shows you what can

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<v Speaker 1>be done by these young players today. And there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many of them, claud it. It's why I said it

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<v Speaker 1>a little while ago. The tour is driven by star

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<v Speaker 1>power with a big, big name. Star power isn't quite

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<v Speaker 1>there at the moment, but they're still out there. But

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<v Speaker 1>these young kids coming on, my gosh, they can play,

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<v Speaker 1>have you um? I mean, I haven't seen anybody put

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<v Speaker 1>the way camps. It puts under pressure since since Tiger

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<v Speaker 1>Woods putted like that. I mean, it's it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>everyt of this kid's gone. He's just gonna and they're

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<v Speaker 1>all going down. They're going right in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the hole. They're not They're not side door in it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going in the middle of the hole. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what Tiger Woods had. Everybody hits has to go in.

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<v Speaker 1>Look if it doesn't go in, he looks like he

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<v Speaker 1>gets wrapped. I mean the kid and he's got ice

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<v Speaker 1>waters in his veins. I mean, he just stands up

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<v Speaker 1>to the plate and he his routine. The thing I

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<v Speaker 1>like about it, and one thing I used to love

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<v Speaker 1>about Tiger that if you put a stop watch on

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<v Speaker 1>Tiger Woods in the very first hole, the first party

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<v Speaker 1>hit in the first hole to the last Partty hit

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<v Speaker 1>of the seventy second hole, it's the exact same amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time that he took the two practice strokes. The

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<v Speaker 1>head looking at the whole way set up. Cam Smith

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<v Speaker 1>does the exact same thing on every part, doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's the first hold the tournament or the last

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<v Speaker 1>hole to win. And I think the average person can

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<v Speaker 1>learn a lot by that, so he's learned how to

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<v Speaker 1>relax his nerves. He's got a beautiful stroke. But the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that people don't talk about, and these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are the great partterns of Tiger Woods, was the best

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<v Speaker 1>of the world out of it. It's reading greens. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to be a great green reader on all different services.

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<v Speaker 1>And camp Smith is just like Tiger. It puts phenomenal

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<v Speaker 1>in every surface, which tells me this kid can really

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<v Speaker 1>read greens too. Yeah. And the other thing I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that I always marvel out and watching camp Smith

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<v Speaker 1>when you know, when I'm out with him in in

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<v Speaker 1>in practice rounds is his speed control on on puts

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<v Speaker 1>from distance. Um. That is probably one thing. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the announcers said it on the telecast yesterday, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>in watching Patrick Cantley win Um, the second FedEx event.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Patrick had a very long pot put it

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<v Speaker 1>up there to two feet. I don't think tour players,

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<v Speaker 1>the great putters get enough. Everybody knows, oh the great

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<v Speaker 1>green readers. Yeah, they got great strokes, But the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to have that consistent speed control on greens, as you know, doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the greens that the rest of us play

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<v Speaker 1>on day in and day out. Recreational is not the

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<v Speaker 1>same that that tour players around the world are putting on.

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<v Speaker 1>So to have that touch and feel, especially at the

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<v Speaker 1>Open Championship at St. Andrew's, you know how big those

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<v Speaker 1>greens are. I was really impressed with cam Smith's speed

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<v Speaker 1>control all week. You mean, because you're gonna have long

0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:57.000
<v Speaker 1>pots at St. Andrew's, hundred footers in yards long. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean those on some of those greens are an acre

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<v Speaker 1>and those green are slow compared to what they are

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<v Speaker 1>in the US because they have to keep them that

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<v Speaker 1>way because of the wind because if the wind comes up,

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<v Speaker 1>which it didn't at same they can blow the balls

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<v Speaker 1>off the green. So just to get that beautiful pace

0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.760
<v Speaker 1>that he had over there on slow greens. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>in the past they've always said that Americans when they

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<v Speaker 1>went to the Open Championship they struggled on the greens

0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.320
<v Speaker 1>because they were so much slower and stuff. But camp

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<v Speaker 1>Smith could could put on the Interstate. This guy man

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<v Speaker 1>he could put and like like you say, his puzzle gack,

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<v Speaker 1>they could go in a thimble. They go right in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle dog on hole. It's actually beautiful to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says that in a lot of his interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>he has no mechanical thoughts in his stroke at all.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't think about anything that's happening with the putter.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of visualization, it's a lot of kind

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<v Speaker 1>of seeing. Um. Everybody that plays golf, whether they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to play professionally or they're trying to play recreationally, everyone wants, needs,

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<v Speaker 1>and tries to put better. UM. And and and we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked in the past about putting. UM, I think there

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<v Speaker 1>is an art to putting. Would you agree that there?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think people don't see it as an art.

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<v Speaker 1>They see it as a skill that they have to practice. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think the average golfer would be better off

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<v Speaker 1>learning speed and green reading first and then worrying about

0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:25.960
<v Speaker 1>what their stroke looks like From a technical standpoint. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll look at it this way. If you can control

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of every part you hit, whether it's online

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly or not, you're never gonna be far from the hull.

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<v Speaker 1>If you made a bad right, okay, you gotta tap in.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you could have the most perfect line in

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<v Speaker 1>the world and really agreed is beautifully and have bad speed,

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're not gonna make pots. But if your speed

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<v Speaker 1>is good and the ball is always get into the hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Get into the hall, Get into the hall. You're never

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<v Speaker 1>gonna a three put very much unless you just get

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<v Speaker 1>some severe downhill slope or some going to an Undernow

0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.080
<v Speaker 1>about that, you shouldn't hit your second shot there. That's

0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.640
<v Speaker 1>the key of that one. But yeah, this kid's amazing

0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.600
<v Speaker 1>to be suet and he doesn't look like a golfer.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the mullet is disgusting in the attempt at

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<v Speaker 1>a mustache and beyond the league and things. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you've got a girlfriend, but she she needs

0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:13.760
<v Speaker 1>to give him a big hug and cass. He said, Hony,

0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.160
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff's gotta go. Um one of the guys

0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:18.520
<v Speaker 1>that want to major this year that we didn't. We

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<v Speaker 1>haven't talked about um. Justin Thomas. I thought his performance

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<v Speaker 1>at Southern Hills. UM. I know that when he came

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<v Speaker 1>out on tour Um when he was a rookie, his

0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.520
<v Speaker 1>old caddy Jimmy Johnson. Um, you said to Jimmy, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can teach this kid to hit a wedge, this

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<v Speaker 1>kid could be one of the best players in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I think under pressure when it counts. Justin

0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Thomas hits some of the best three quarter hundred, two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifteen yard wedge shots that I've seen in

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. It was years ago with slep straits

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<v Speaker 1>and he was playing a practice round with DJ because

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<v Speaker 1>you were there, and I remember walking down the first

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<v Speaker 1>stairway saying to Jimmy Johnson and a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>don't realize not only is a great caddy, even how

0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the player play the South African Tour. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>knows golf. And I said to Jimmy, if you can

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<v Speaker 1>teach this kid out of hit a three quarter shot,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you remember, he was all out on every shot,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean his his nine iron shots were driver contest feed.

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<v Speaker 1>And said, if you can teach this kid how to

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<v Speaker 1>fly his golf ball and control his distance, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the best players in the world. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>Academy is one of the best players. And he's also

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<v Speaker 1>one of the nicest guys you could every be. Absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>and I think everybody wants that watch his golf. Dad.

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<v Speaker 1>They all love that wed shot where you've got a

0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.600
<v Speaker 1>slope behind, you've got some room behind the flag. A

0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:37.880
<v Speaker 1>player hits it, you know, pass and then spins it back.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the one that I think everybody wishes they can hit.

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<v Speaker 1>But you, I mean you more than anybody, with all

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<v Speaker 1>the players, you you've looked at. One of the shots

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<v Speaker 1>that I think Justin is is perfected is the no

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<v Speaker 1>spin where the pin is tucked like they tuck him

0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.600
<v Speaker 1>at Augusta to where you've got about a five yard

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<v Speaker 1>area square. You need to throw it up on that

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<v Speaker 1>slope and not spin it back. How the one that

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<v Speaker 1>just one bounce and just kind of stops um. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a hard shot to perfect, and it's a hard shot

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<v Speaker 1>to perform under pressure. Well, first of all, you gotta

0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:11.960
<v Speaker 1>take the ball out of the aar to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta gotta stop hitting this thing, these balloon wedge

0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.040
<v Speaker 1>shots that you see the average person here, Yeah, the

0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.840
<v Speaker 1>average person loves to see the back spin. The players

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<v Speaker 1>on the tour don't real they like that. I mean

0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.080
<v Speaker 1>they want to they want to control us. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you watch them, they send the ball in much lower trajectory.

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<v Speaker 1>The ball goes in, makes one bounce, checks and may

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<v Speaker 1>just dribble just a little. The only time you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>a guy trying to really bring one back if there

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<v Speaker 1>is a big slope there and they know they can

0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.440
<v Speaker 1>carry it to the back of the green. It will

0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.440
<v Speaker 1>come back down, but the fans love to see the

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<v Speaker 1>spinning back. The players go, no, no, I don't want

0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.800
<v Speaker 1>that thing spinning away from the whole, and doesn't. Justin

0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Thomas has done a great job in controlling that. He

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<v Speaker 1>really has done a great job in his swing. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's playing at the best of his ability.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the year, I mean, these

0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.480
<v Speaker 1>guys are tired. They play a lot of golf, they

0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.600
<v Speaker 1>work hard. It's gonna be interesting to see with the

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<v Speaker 1>news schedule what happened because they are They're obviously gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get real time off if they want to take it,

0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:10.280
<v Speaker 1>which is pretty good too. UM. Rory McElroy had an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting year. Um you know, a dominant performance and up

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<v Speaker 1>in Canada where he looked like Rory McElroy and then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think everybody I was at St. Andrew's

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<v Speaker 1>UM I thought I just couldn't see him not winning

0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:29.960
<v Speaker 1>another major championship at UM, an iconic venue. He has

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<v Speaker 1>been very, very vocal in his thoughts on what's going

0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.440
<v Speaker 1>on in golf on Live on the PGA tour um,

0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.520
<v Speaker 1>he's kind of been the de facto mouthpiece of the

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<v Speaker 1>PGA tour. Do you think that's wearing him out? Do

0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:49.920
<v Speaker 1>you think that physically emotionally having to constantly ask get

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<v Speaker 1>asked these questions by the back nine on Sunday when

0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:57.040
<v Speaker 1>you have a chance to win your you're using a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of emotional capital on other things that aren't golf.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things I admire about Rory Manfoy, I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder her and got a beautiful golf swing, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>a great player. I admire his honesty. I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't hide his thoughts. He's very honest about what

0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.160
<v Speaker 1>he says. He doesn't do it in an ugly way.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't do it in the mean way. He's just

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<v Speaker 1>giving you his opinion. And because of that, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>one they've kind of gone to all the time to

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<v Speaker 1>get to Well, that was until Tiger Woods came into

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<v Speaker 1>the scene with secret meeting. Sweet for twenty guys, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how you got How about if you showed

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<v Speaker 1>up wherever the meeting was he came in and you

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the top twenty five in the world. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not I'm sorry you're not You're not. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to figure out how they went about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, luckily they didn't do it at a tournament

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<v Speaker 1>where it was a full field, so there's only seventy

0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.359
<v Speaker 1>guys in the field. But let's say you're somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to be involved and kind of know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on, so you show up at the meeting. They go, now, sorry, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. Yeah, I don't know where to have the invitation.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was done offside in a hotel and

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<v Speaker 1>in the meeting room. But yeah, I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of strange. I saw one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed when they showed Tiger getting off his point.

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<v Speaker 1>He was limping quite badly, which I didn't like to

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<v Speaker 1>see because you know, we all love Tiger to get

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<v Speaker 1>back and be able to play, so that didn't look good.

0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.040
<v Speaker 1>And then he brought Ricky with him, who, as much

0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.800
<v Speaker 1>as I love Ricky Feller, he wasn't involved in the

0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:20.399
<v Speaker 1>conversation as far as I was continuing, hunding something in

0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.320
<v Speaker 1>the world. But because he's such a great guy and

0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.639
<v Speaker 1>everybody likes and maybe that was part of the whole

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<v Speaker 1>you know, nobody's talking about what went down. You hear

0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.280
<v Speaker 1>rumors and stuff, but until the guys actually come out

0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and say, well, here's what we talked about. And maybe

0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe Claude, I don't know, maybe the next week after

0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the fed Ex Cup is over, and maybe we'll hear

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<v Speaker 1>some of these things. Maybe we'll hear some of the

0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.119
<v Speaker 1>things that happened there and what made him important. And

0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.480
<v Speaker 1>going back to Rory, I admi Ory admi Ory a lot.

0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.280
<v Speaker 1>He says what he feels. He doesn't pull any punches.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't do it in an ugly way. He does

0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.479
<v Speaker 1>it in a professional way, in a nice way. He

0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.080
<v Speaker 1>hasn't it can shots at people. He just says, Look,

0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't agree with him, but they have the right

0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.720
<v Speaker 1>to do whatever they want, which is what the free

0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:08.840
<v Speaker 1>enterprise is all about. So I admire m for it

0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:11.320
<v Speaker 1>hasn't put a little pressure on him. I wouldn't say

0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.280
<v Speaker 1>it's put pressure on him. I think he's probably tired

0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.240
<v Speaker 1>of getting asked the damn questions. But unfortunately, because of

0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:20.720
<v Speaker 1>the fact, he's one that will actually give you an intelligent,

0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.760
<v Speaker 1>legitimate answer, unlike some of these guys who who don't

0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.920
<v Speaker 1>give you any answers. And I'm not gonna say any names,

0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.879
<v Speaker 1>but you may know one. Uh you know. That's the

0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:33.199
<v Speaker 1>way it is. When when Rory plays like he played

0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:37.399
<v Speaker 1>in Canada, where he's just, i mean dominating with the driver.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he the best player in the game when he

0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.680
<v Speaker 1>is firing on all cylinders because he he has the ability.

0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.159
<v Speaker 1>There's two or three guys I think in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, DJ has been in that boat at times. Um,

0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.199
<v Speaker 1>you know Tiger is in that boat. But Rory can

0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:58.479
<v Speaker 1>make golf look so unbelievably easy when he is firing

0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.880
<v Speaker 1>on all cylinders. But when he's on, I mean, it's

0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.200
<v Speaker 1>just like when Dustin was on the Dustin's prime. When

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.600
<v Speaker 1>he was on, he was the player, no doubt about it.

0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Rory has that ability. For some reason, Rory hasn't had

0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the ability to be as good on the weekends as

0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.199
<v Speaker 1>he is in the in the first couple rounds, and

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<v Speaker 1>that let me go back to what you were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it's the nervous system thing and how

0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.680
<v Speaker 1>you control your nerves and stuff like that. He's far

0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and away modern day the best driver I've ever seen.

0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.719
<v Speaker 1>His swing is built for driving. If you look at it,

0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.240
<v Speaker 1>it's not built to a sixty hard wedge shot. It's

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.320
<v Speaker 1>built a beautiful release. I mean he had hit some

0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:39.880
<v Speaker 1>drives for seventy last week. I excuse me, almost four yard,

0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:44.640
<v Speaker 1>not fourth seventing, but almost card and but there's more

0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.600
<v Speaker 1>to golf than driving. To me, the two most important

0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.080
<v Speaker 1>things to be a really good player as good driving

0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:52.280
<v Speaker 1>and good putty. Well, he's got the good driving down.

0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:54.679
<v Speaker 1>He's got to work on the consistency of the putty.

0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.679
<v Speaker 1>Now the oppst into that is Kem Smith is the

0:21:57.720 --> 0:21:59.760
<v Speaker 1>best part of what He doesn't drive the ball very well,

0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.920
<v Speaker 1>so it's getting that out I'm talking about. Um. Another

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 1>amazing performance over the weekend from Patrick Cantley. Um. When

0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:13.440
<v Speaker 1>this kid gets an opportunity to win, there is no backup,

0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:15.919
<v Speaker 1>there is no fear. I thought the shot he hit

0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 1>at seventeen were yet again another wedd shot where you

0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:21.199
<v Speaker 1>have to hit one. You're trying to get that inside it,

0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, ten ft he hits it to tap in

0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.800
<v Speaker 1>another beautiful controlled What what do you like about Patrick's

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.359
<v Speaker 1>game and what do you like about him as as

0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 1>a player, Well, I think number one, he's got a

0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.840
<v Speaker 1>beautiful golf swing. Fundamentally, he's got a beautiful rhythm in

0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:41.520
<v Speaker 1>his swing is His patting stroke is very long and smooth,

0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.600
<v Speaker 1>which mimics is Gosling. I think his coach, Jeremy Mulligan

0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:48.320
<v Speaker 1>has done a wonderful job and letting Patrick be Patrick,

0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:53.119
<v Speaker 1>not try and create a swing for him, just do

0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:55.560
<v Speaker 1>what he does with his swing and make it better.

0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:59.000
<v Speaker 1>He works tremendously hard on every part of his game.

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.000
<v Speaker 1>He minds me a lot of a Greg Norman or

0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.320
<v Speaker 1>a Tiger Woods. The amount of time he puts in

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:08.679
<v Speaker 1>on every aspect of the game. Not just full swing,

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.119
<v Speaker 1>not just three quarters swing, not just part of not

0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:13.960
<v Speaker 1>just tip. He does it all. He works extremely hard

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.119
<v Speaker 1>on it. Uh. He doesn't playing as many tournaments as

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the other guys playing, and he takes

0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 1>his time off, which I think is good. Uh. He

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the most garious personality, so I don't think

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 1>the average person knows him like we know the other

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 1>players because he's kind of just refined and the way

0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:36.359
<v Speaker 1>he is. But I mean this, this kid can really play.

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.239
<v Speaker 1>And look at where he's come from. I mean he

0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 1>went a few years he couldn't even hardly move. His

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:43.879
<v Speaker 1>back was so bad. Uh, he went to a terrible

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 1>tragedy with his best friend was killed right in front

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.120
<v Speaker 1>of him. He saw it happen. I mean, this kid

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>has gone through a lot, and I think that's why

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 1>you see this Uh. I would say this kind of

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:58.400
<v Speaker 1>smoothed down demeanor that he has, he doesn't let things

0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:00.280
<v Speaker 1>bother me. You don't see a lot of high you

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 1>don't see a lot of loads, you don't see a

0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:03.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of smiles, you don't see a lot of anger.

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 1>He goes about his business very well. He's got a

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 1>great head on his shoulder for golf. He understands the

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:13.679
<v Speaker 1>golf courses that he prepares beautifully for him player and

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.720
<v Speaker 1>another player. Um, even though he had to pull out

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.399
<v Speaker 1>last week with a back injury. Wills Alaturus. You know

0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>when when you spend as much time as we spend

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.440
<v Speaker 1>on the tours around the world, you see young players

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>where they get close, they have opportunities. Um. Everybody can

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:34.560
<v Speaker 1>see that they can win golf tournaments. They should be

0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.360
<v Speaker 1>winning golf tournaments. UM. It took Will a little bit

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:42.000
<v Speaker 1>longer to get his first one. UM, but very very

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 1>impressive as a player. And you know he's part of

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:49.160
<v Speaker 1>that new generation of players, Dad that comes out. They

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.760
<v Speaker 1>come out of college. There's no learning curve, there's no

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 1>apprentice shift. They come out they have chanced. Cam Young

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:56.919
<v Speaker 1>is another one of these guys that have just burst

0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 1>onto the scene and it looks like they belong. And

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 1>it looks to me when you're around them that even

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 1>though they haven't had the length of time on tour

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>than other players, it looks like they feel like they

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 1>belong in their first or second year. Why they can

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.439
<v Speaker 1>see what you're seeing is how wonderful the college system is.

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the college system is like Triple A Baseball

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>League Baseball. I mean, they're they're they're groomed for this.

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 1>They come out of college programs. Most of them only

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:27.919
<v Speaker 1>stay a couple of years, but they come out of

0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 1>college programs and they're ready to play. They walk on

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the tour, unlike guys like myself back in the sixties

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 1>came on the tour and we were intimidated by the

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 1>great players and stuff. You would tell yourself you weren't.

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 1>But when you get older and you look back on it,

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 1>you say, heck, can you get paired one of the

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 1>best players in the world and you're nervous and how

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 1>do I handle this? And things like that these guys

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:50.399
<v Speaker 1>they've they've got ice water in their mains. They just

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 1>come out. They know they're good, they know their strengths.

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 1>They all work hard. They work harder thing. And you know,

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:58.200
<v Speaker 1>I think Dela Tours gets a bad rap about being

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 1>a bad putter. You know that bad did has missed

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 1>some sort puts at various times. And you know Jordan's speech,

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>this is two putters sometimes everybody talks about about. Yeah,

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he puts that bad. Yeah, it's a

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>weird looking set up, the way he sets up the

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>way he goes about it. But you can't win tournaments

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:18.119
<v Speaker 1>and compete in majors like he has. My god, how

0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:21.159
<v Speaker 1>many seconds and thirds has he had already? You know,

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 1>you be able to make putts. I just think it's

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.679
<v Speaker 1>what's gonna happen. Caud Is he's gonna win one of

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:28.880
<v Speaker 1>these and it's going to be a snowball going down here.

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Is he's just gonna take her. He's gonna do somewilar

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>what Scottie Shefford done. He's gonna get a taste to

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.640
<v Speaker 1>win in. And Sheffard is another one who's a really

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.159
<v Speaker 1>good putter. He's gonna get a taste to win, and

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna get a taste to feel uncomfortable in that position.

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>And sometimes you need a break to win. Sometimes you

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>need something to happen to one of the other guys

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.479
<v Speaker 1>in a tournament. It's not good, it's been happening to you.

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.360
<v Speaker 1>And so I think this kid has got a great future.

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's skinny, he looks like a one rond

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>without a grip from kids. Unbelievable he and yet he

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.200
<v Speaker 1>cannot the heck at well, they all knock the heck Catt.

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>But he's good. Whether he's going to turn it to

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>be one of the great ones, time will tell. But

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>he has the tools that I thought. He showed a

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 1>lot of mental maturity. You know, in the playoff in

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 1>Memphis for the first FedEx Um he gets unbelievably lucky

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 1>late in the playoff for the ball not to go

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:19.160
<v Speaker 1>in the water, SEPs track of rinses it in the water.

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>He and his new caddy Um go over. They look

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 1>at their options. I mean a lot of people would

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>have said, I'm gonna try and pull this off. Um

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of maturity to go back to the drop

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:33.200
<v Speaker 1>zone and then stand up and again hit one of

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>those wet shots that we were talking about earlier, a

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 1>hundred and some odd yard wet shot that took one bounce,

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 1>sat down and it gave him, you know, six ft

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 1>for the wind. Right. What he did, he trusted his ability,

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 1>He knew what his strengths were, He knew that, he

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>knew that yardage was good for the way he likes

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>to go about it, and it was perfect and once again,

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>under pressure, he handled the situation. He did exactly what

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>he had to do. It's Tiger going into a new

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>phase in his life, Dad professionally, Um into that kind

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>of Jack and Arnie role that Arnold had when he

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>was still alive, to where they kind of were golf, right,

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 1>they were professional golf. I mean, I know you. Arnold

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Palmer was your hero growing up. Um, you idolized him. Um,

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>you've been a huge fan of Jack. You you spent

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time with both of them. I think

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 1>when they were both alive, they were kind of seen

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 1>as the professional game. Um, is that the role you

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>think Tigers going towards. Do you think he's being pushed

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:35.199
<v Speaker 1>towards that role? Do you think it's a role that

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>he wants, Because let's be honest. I mean, there are

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people behind the scene saying, okay, now

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Tiger is gonna go. And you know you heard that

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Justin Thomas and Roy said, Tiger cares passionately about the

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour. But Dad, you worked for tigraphy years. Tiger

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>never went to the locker room. He never went to

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 1>the players lounge. He probably if you looked at the

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>amount of people he consistently and religiously played practice round

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>with in his career. In the early days, it was

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Marco Mira and John Cook. Was a very small group

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.959
<v Speaker 1>of people. And then he played practice around with Bubba,

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>he played with Arginette. Well, now he plays a lot

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>of his practice rounds with Justin. But it's not like

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Tiger rocks up and anybody can play with him. Um,

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>he didn't interact right when you were around him. He

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Tiger didn't really interact with anyone else on tour. Tiger

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>did his thing. So now this role that I think

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who are big fans of the

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour they want him to be this role kind

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>of the de facto face of it. Um, how do

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>you think this plays out for for Tiger? Well, first

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.719
<v Speaker 1>of all Tiger knew, but he had to be and

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>how he had to be to be the greatest player

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 1>in the world. And that's how he was. He got

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>in his world and he didn't care for anybody else

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>was and all you people are going to get in it.

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It's so the few he would let it into it.

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 1>And so, yes, he didn't spend a lot of time

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 1>in the locker room. The guys will tell you and

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.240
<v Speaker 1>all that he was fun to be around the locker room.

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>That he's always giving it everybody a bunch of ship.

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 1>He can't take it when they gave it back, he

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>he cannot take it. But having said that, I think

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>that you look at him as yes, all the young

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 1>players look up to him. They all look up to him.

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>If you look at the ten or twelve best young

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>players in the world in their twenties, they are only

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.479
<v Speaker 1>on the tour because of Tiger Woods. Because when they

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>were five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, Tiger

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Woods was the man and they all wanted to be

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>like him. So I think he carries a tremendous amount

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>of respect among the young players. And I think if

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>you I don't know who went to that meeting, but

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I bet there wasn't a lot of old ones in there,

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>but most of them were the younger ones, the younger

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>superstars that are in there. And I think he relishes

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>that role. I think it is a new time in

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>his life. Yes, he would love to compete and win tournaments,

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that's what he's all about. But I think he likes

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the fact and and I don't know, only he knows,

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:51.320
<v Speaker 1>and the commissioner knows. Did the commissioner asked him to

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>go do this or because this was a player's meeting,

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>commissioner wasn't There was this Tiger's idea. Once again, I

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know how it all came about, but I things

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>like this are good. You see players in baseball and

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>football and basketball things aren't going right, so they have

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>a players meeting. I'll get everybody out of here, to

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>press out of here, all coaches out of here, Manager

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>is everybody out of here. We're gonna talk this over.

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think they probably talked over what's been going on? What,

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>what what avenue do we have to approach. I'm not

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>sure that a lot of them agreed with the fact.

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>We just can't admit they exist because they're out there.

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>So we have to figure out how we can all

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>work together and make it good for all of us.

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think that if that's what that meeting was about,

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and I have to believe it was, I think that

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 1>was good for the game because you need to have

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>the players get together, not the not the managers, not

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the tour staff, not any of these. The players are

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the show. Other people are not the show. I'm sorry.

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean to put anybody else down, but the

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>players of the show. The players play, they like. The

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>players don't play, Nobody likes it. And so I think

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 1>it was a good meeting. I'd love to hear what

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:00.040
<v Speaker 1>really happened, whether we ever will hear that, and and

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but somebody all leak it Sunday. I

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>think it's interesting that that you bring up the point

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>that the players are the show. I mean, I've always

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>thought that at times the p G A tour can

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>come across that they think that they are the show.

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 1>With this constant we provide this opportunity for you, We

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>provide all these tournaments. Which is true, you played the tour,

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you had an opportunity to do it. You did not

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>start flying around on private jets like Jack and Arnold

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 1>did off of your tour career because you didn't play

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>well enough. So this argument that I think sometimes the

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>tour puts out that we provide this stage for you,

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I live in Jupiter. There's I see

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 1>guys that played on the PGA Tour at shopping malls,

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>grocery stores all the time that are just normal people.

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Now they don't have a tour card anymore. The tour

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>isn't calling them to find out how they are, how

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>they're doing, anything that we can do to help you.

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>If if you get an opportunity to play on the

0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour, you are only successful by what you do

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 1>as a player, nothing else. Well, the tour is driven

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 1>by the star power. There's no doubt about it. My dad,

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>my dad had a great day. You were very kind

0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>to say I didn't play good to make you know how,

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't come close to me when I got out there,

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>and that was about it. My dad had a great

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 1>line about me. He just called me a hot dog,

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 1>bro And I said that, what why do you call

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>me a hot dog? Coach said, it's very simple, but

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you're a tournament. Three old guys sitting behind the green,

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>they got their program out and there these great players

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 1>have coming through. So who's in the next group? He said,

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>we got Butch Harmon and Joe Jones and Sammy Sauce.

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Is not hell? There no good. Let's go get a

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>hot dog. Yeah, there's that's all the outdog, bro. But

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the tour is driven by the stars, and the tour

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 1>sometimes thinks it's all about that. Yes, they're the body

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>that gives them the opportunity. But I think one of

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>the things in this meeting and they talked about I

0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>think they talked about was I'm a firm believer, but

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 1>everybody that qualifies for tournaments should get paid because here's

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the problem. It's costing your five to ten thousand a

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 1>week to play on these tournaments. And he missed the time,

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>you don't get any money. I don't think that's right.

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you signed a contract in baseball for four

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred million and you've got you still get to four

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 1>hundred millions. So I think that was one of the

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>things that we've talked about. Let's make it where everybody

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>can at least make some money on this deal. And

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>then we I'm sure they talked about we need the

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 1>bigger tournaments with more money and stuff, and and all

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, the tours found a hundred million and

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 1>it looks like they're gonna find another hundred millions. So

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>it's coming from somewhere. But you know, like I said

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>to start off with, we'll get this crap all worked out.

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:42.839
<v Speaker 1>A mention guaranteed money has been something that everybody's talked about.

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, the live guys, the big guys, Phil d J,

0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Bryson Brooks. Um, they've been given a lot of money. Um.

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Some people have a big problem with that. Um. In

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:57.479
<v Speaker 1>sports dad, Um, you know, Lebron James just signed a

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 1>close to two year, hundred million dollar contract. I don't

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.320
<v Speaker 1>think he's going to practice any less. Dak Prescott signed

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>a huge new contract last year with the Cowboys. I

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:10.360
<v Speaker 1>don't think he's taken any days off. It seems to

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>me at times that we want golf, especially both professionally

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>and recreationally, that we wanted to not evolve, That we

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>want it to be like it was back in the day,

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, and the forties, fifties, sixties. Um. Frank Nabolos

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>said something to me one time about when he used

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>to do live from from the PGA Tour, from the Majors, whatever.

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>When he would sit with Brandle and UM the guys

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 1>on set, he said, you know, half the time when

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>we're at a major championship, we devote half the show

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 1>to talking about things that happened in the past. Why

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>don't we spend the majority of the time on the

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>show talking about golf today. Guaranteed money is something that

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you know everybody has as an athlete. Um, why do

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 1>you think there has been this outcry of the guys

0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 1>that went to Live and people say, oh, you just

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 1>you went for the money. It's guaranteed you're not gonna play,

0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 1>You're not going to practice. Where do you think that

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 1>comes from? Just because of the way it's always been. No,

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 1>I I have a very clear way of thinking on this.

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>I think the players that went to the Lift, and

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>you're probably not gonna agree with me on this, they

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:18.919
<v Speaker 1>created the problem because they went for the money. There's

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>no doubt about it. Let's just b s about I'm

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna play last and I'm gonna spend more time at home.

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 1>And I said, no, you went for the money. So

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 1>just say that because the average guy that works, if

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 1>somebody is in a job and somebody comes up and said,

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give you twenty times more money to come

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 1>over here. They're gonna go over there and then they're

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna tell their their buddies say, yeah, they offered me

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>more money. I went. So that to me, that's the

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>first problem. I think the pr of the lift has

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 1>not been good. The guys should have got together and

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>be be honest. I think Pat Perez is the only

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:49.959
<v Speaker 1>one that says, yeah, right, I went for the money

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and forty six, forty seven years old, that offering me

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 1>x y Z I'm going. I think if you asked

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Peter you Lind the same thing, he'd say, yeah, I'm

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 1>going And so just come out and say just tell

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 1>it like it is, as we went for the money.

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 1>This I'm going to grow the game better. No, that

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:05.799
<v Speaker 1>has nothing to do with it not growing any game.

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>They're they're growing their bank accounts, which every sport sportsman

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 1>has the right to do to get the best deal

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you can get. So I have a problem with people

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 1>complaining about that, but I think they brought that on

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:22.279
<v Speaker 1>themselves by coming up with this other stuff. Secondly, the

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 1>thing that really bothers me is that the public and

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say I'm pro or anti lib.

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 1>The public is coming out against these live guys because

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a Saudi run thing. Our government does Scautity Arabia.

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Every large corporation in the world doesn't Business Society Arabia.

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>And so why they're picking on golfers. I have no idea.

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 1>It offers to me have been the most underpaid superstars

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>in all sports because they don't get big contracts. Yes,

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 1>they make endorsement contracts, but you have to earn those

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>and as soon as you play those go away professional

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 1>athletes they signed these contracts. I mean, the Cleveland Brown

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>has just signed a quarterback and pay them almost five

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 1>hundred million dollars and the money is guaranteed, and and

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.800
<v Speaker 1>he's just he's a SAX offender and could go to jail.

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so why are you picking on us? The

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>office are nice guys. We don't bother anybody. We just

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>go play golf. And yeah, the guy had a chance

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.240
<v Speaker 1>to make a hundred million dollars that day. What somebody

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>offered me a hundred million dollars, I'm gone, I'm over.

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, let's just tell it like it is. Um.

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Another guy that's that's been a part of this controversy.

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Dad Um, who you spent a lot of time with,

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>who I think you consider a friend as well, Phil Mickelson.

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Um has been hard to watch Um some of the

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff that fills going through because you more than anybody

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.240
<v Speaker 1>who spent you know, as much time almost ten years

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 1>with Phil Um, he can shoot himself in the foot

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>better than anybody. Well, it feels very honest. I mean,

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>he's got no filter. That's one of the things I

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>admired about one thing, one of the reasons we were friends,

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>because I've got a lot of that in myself too,

0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>where we think you don't You don't have a lot

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 1>of filter. What we think is what we say. And

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I think in all honestly, I'm gonna get film some credit.

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 1>People didn't like about a lot of things he said

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 1>about the tour. I think we're true, and I think

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the tour is now seen and and they're trying to

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 1>change a lot of that stuff. So you gotta hand

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.640
<v Speaker 1>to feel for that. He has taken a tremendous amount

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>of criticism for you know, there's things that have come

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.720
<v Speaker 1>out about him and his personal life that he hasn't

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 1>done it and Hey, look, we all make mistakes. Nobody's perfect,

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 1>all right, yuh, we all make mistakes. There's things in

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 1>our past ist but I think bygones should be gude,

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:33.720
<v Speaker 1>by God, let the field this go on and be filed.

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Feels about fifty two years old. Now he want to

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 1>met a major fifty one, which is absolutely amazing, one

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>of the greatest feats of all time. He had an

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to do what he did, to sign for The

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>number that I heard was two hundred million. I don't

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 1>know if that's the number of number somebody offers you

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:51.839
<v Speaker 1>two hundred million dollars. I'll give damn who you are.

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 1>You're going on, right, and what are the parameters are?

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>There's two hundred million? What do I have to do? Yeah,

0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I can do that. I can play golf. Now. I

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>wish it was playing better, and I know he wishes

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 1>he was playing better, and I know how hard he works.

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>He's working at it. So I'd like to see him

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 1>play a little better and be a superstar out there

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 1>on the limb, because right now he's just one of

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the forty eight guys. Do you like, um, tell me

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>some of the things you like about what Live is doing.

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 1>And tell me some of the things that you don't like.

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I think they made it a lot more relaxed atmosphere. Well,

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:26.920
<v Speaker 1>obviously the guys already getting paid. The guys are still competitors.

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>You know. People say, well then they're not hungry, Sure

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.879
<v Speaker 1>they are. It's four million dollars. First pride, you wait

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>for the money, so you're still gonna go for the

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.439
<v Speaker 1>four million. I mean, I like the amount of money

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that they put out there. I don't like it it's

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>only forty eight guys. I wish it was more players,

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:43.959
<v Speaker 1>and like, what would be so for you? What would

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:47.879
<v Speaker 1>be an ideal amount for you? Because we hear about

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:50.720
<v Speaker 1>lives only forty eight guys, but last week we've got seventy.

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 1>This week we've got thirty tigers event in the Bahamas

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Hero there's eighteen guys in that. The old World Match

0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:59.799
<v Speaker 1>Play that they used to have in London was a

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 1>very limited field. There have always been tournaments done to

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 1>where the fields are limited. I like, I like sixty.

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I think sixty is a good number. I think you,

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I think you could probably still do the shotgown starts

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 1>with sixty. It might be harder to do, but you

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:17.320
<v Speaker 1>could do that I didn't like the shotgun starts. You

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 1>tell me that the guys love it because they say

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:21.879
<v Speaker 1>everybody's playing on the same playing field at the same time,

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>which is very good. The only problem I have with

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>it is, let's say I'm leading the tournament by one

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and you're one behind, and you're finishing on an easy

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>hole and I'm finishing on the hardest haul of the

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 1>course and I make boat, you make Bertie, and we

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 1>get a clipped. Now, that hasn't happened, but it could happen.

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 1>You know that that's a possibility. Could happen. The players

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>seem to like the shotgowns start because they said they're

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 1>all playing in the same weather, same conditions. Greens are

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the same. Yeah, everything's the same. So the wind blowing

0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 1>the same on every hall, I mean, so they I

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:54.960
<v Speaker 1>can see where they like that. I would like to

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.439
<v Speaker 1>see sixty players, I think would be good. I don't

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 1>know why they went to three rounds. That's the biggest

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.879
<v Speaker 1>question mark for me. I haven't read anything about why

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 1>they went through. I know that's what l I V

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>stands for. Its roll maneubals for fifty four, but a

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't know that Actually, I'm such a

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 1>math genius and that's a but I'd like to see

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 1>him go to sixty. I think he could bring over

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:22.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot more players get involved. I don't think it's

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.359
<v Speaker 1>a You're never gonna hurt these guys with money, because

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:27.399
<v Speaker 1>if they need some money, they're just pump another well

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 1>for five minutes and covers the whole tour, so you

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:33.400
<v Speaker 1>know they're not gonna run out of cash. Uh. But

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the whole live thing, and you know more about this

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 1>than I do, card because you've been out there, You've

0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>been at every event. You get two players if you

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 1>coach that are on it. Uh. I think we just

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 1>have to see what's gonna happen. I think that the

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:51.759
<v Speaker 1>governing bodies European Tour, PGA Tour. For me, there's a

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.760
<v Speaker 1>way to coexists and here here, here's my way of Sorright.

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>So you you get in a room right now with

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.120
<v Speaker 1>Greg Dorman and Jayme onhand, and someone asks you to

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>be the moderator between the two of them. Okay, what

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 1>advice are you given to Greg and what advice are

0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:09.279
<v Speaker 1>you giving to j to try and see if there's

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:14.520
<v Speaker 1>a way that this whole thing can be less destructive

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 1>and less aggressive than it is. First of all, I'd say,

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:20.319
<v Speaker 1>later he goes at the door, come in with no

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 1>he goes, So let's come in with an open mind

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 1>and see what we can do to make it better.

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 1>That would be the first thing. The second thing I

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>I would think if there is a way for the

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:32.320
<v Speaker 1>European Tour, the PGA Tour Live Tour to get together

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and have four or five huge tournaments either where participants

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>from all three get to play. You can you can

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 1>make it a hundredman field and you can do it

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>off world ranking. You can do anyway you want to

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 1>do it. I don't care for a two amount of

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.280
<v Speaker 1>money because that's what it's all about. And go to iconic,

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 1>fabulous golf courses around the world and have this true

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 1>world event. Now that's gonna happen. Probably not, because I

0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 1>don't think that J Monahan is. He would even go

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 1>to the media at the moment, so I think until

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 1>things calm down, I don't. I've never talked to J

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 1>about it, so you know, I haven't had that opportunity.

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.839
<v Speaker 1>But I would love to see some kind of thing

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 1>get together where it is a world advanta gigantic world

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:18.640
<v Speaker 1>event not opposed to the majors. The majors will always

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.640
<v Speaker 1>do the majors. They're they're ultimating golf is winning the Major.

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't care if you want twenty five tournaments in

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>your life. You never want to major. I'm sorry you're

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 1>not considered a great champion. But there's gotta be a

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 1>way that they can coexist. Because but because I said

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to you earlier, it's just like our two political parties

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.360
<v Speaker 1>that the Republican the Democrats are going this way and

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:40.360
<v Speaker 1>they're not coming this way to try and get together

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:42.719
<v Speaker 1>and do what's best for the country. And I think

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 1>these two organizations have to get together and do what's

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>best for golf. You've got a lot of friends, um,

0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>that are AUGUSTA members. Um, You've got a lot of friends, Dad,

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:56.840
<v Speaker 1>that are real Augusta members. There are members that Augusta

0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 1>and then there are people that are part of the

0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 1>They are the gate keepers of Augusta National, the Masters,

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and they are part of the gate keepers of professional

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 1>golf as as the governing bodies. UM. Knowing the way

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:17.359
<v Speaker 1>that Augusta and the Masters like to run their tournaments, um,

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 1>you you, I know you believe they run their tournament.

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.320
<v Speaker 1>The Masters is the best run golf tournament. It's the

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 1>best run sporting event in sports. You've you've always had.

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Where do you think they shake out on this? Because

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 1>currently you've got Phil, You've got DJ you've got Patrick Red,

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:41.759
<v Speaker 1>you've got Cheryl schwaltzel um am I missing any Masters champions, Sergio,

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.720
<v Speaker 1>that's five. They've got fun. The last thing they want

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 1>is the champions dinner and the picture that you know,

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 1>you've got a picture in your office, your your your

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:56.680
<v Speaker 1>father was part of the first Champions official champions dinner

0:45:57.160 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 1>in the fifties and and he was part of that,

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 1>right and there's you've got a great picture in your office.

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>The last thing that I think the powers that be

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:10.360
<v Speaker 1>in Augusta want. He's an asterisk where these great champions,

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean feels not only in Augusta champion. I mean

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 1>he's a multiple Masters winner, Bubba Watson, who's now going

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 1>to live, he's six, He's won that tournament twice. Um.

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they want to see a tournament where

0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 1>they're champions. I don't think they want to be taking

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>names off the name plates in the in the champions

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:31.839
<v Speaker 1>locker room view. No, and I don't think that's gonna happen. Look,

0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:33.799
<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of the augusted members. You know,

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 1>they don't talk about what goes on there. It's very

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 1>guarded and how who knows what's happening. I think they

0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 1>love tradition as much as any tournament, and having a

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 1>former player for former champions there has always been one

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of their great traditions. My whole life, I've been going

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:51.759
<v Speaker 1>there because my dad was a farmer champion. I think,

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen unless there's a way that the

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 1>live players can get world rankings once they fall out

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 1>of the top five world and they're not on the

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.440
<v Speaker 1>way that you can get in, and then that's going

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:06.360
<v Speaker 1>to be a problem for the players he can't get in.

0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I think the champions will always be invited back. I

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 1>don't foresee then there's six of them over there, so

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't see for them doing I think the tour

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 1>taking these guys names off of the all time lists

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, that's very petty. It's chowish. It's like, Okay,

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:25.440
<v Speaker 1>we're in the we're in the playyard, and the guy's

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 1>got all the toys and we want to play with

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:29.239
<v Speaker 1>him and gets mad at me, and he picks all

0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 1>those toys up and leaves and you can't have any

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:33.239
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of what I relate that. I think it's

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:35.520
<v Speaker 1>very childish the way they've done that. These guys earn

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.839
<v Speaker 1>the right Look, let's use Philip Bikerson for example. Bill

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Michelson's one what six majors, six mates, six majors, forty

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 1>five tournaments. He's a tour member for life, for life,

0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:54.919
<v Speaker 1>all before the lift. How can you take that away?

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:56.839
<v Speaker 1>He gave it to him. He's a toy member for life.

0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:59.400
<v Speaker 1>You tell me can't be one because he went he

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.239
<v Speaker 1>took his toy is away from your play are and

0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:03.919
<v Speaker 1>your little piste off about it. No, I don't like that.

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.320
<v Speaker 1>That's why I say I think there's too much petty

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.359
<v Speaker 1>stuff going on. And I don't think Augusta will get involved. Man.

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I think Augusta is Augusta. They will run their tournament

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:13.799
<v Speaker 1>and it is the best runs point event in the world.

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 1>They will run it the way they like to run it.

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 1>They'll run it with class the top fifty in the

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>world or a tournament winner on the PGA Tour and

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.359
<v Speaker 1>gets in the Masters. That will always be the way

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:24.920
<v Speaker 1>it is and if you're not in the top fifty

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.960
<v Speaker 1>in the world, that's your problem. But the former champions,

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I think will always be allowed. Do you think, um,

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 1>do you think there's a way that the Live guys

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 1>and the Live Tour get World ranking points so that

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:40.400
<v Speaker 1>they have an opportunity to play in this because listen, UM,

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a vote. But if you look at the people

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 1>that are voting on the world rankings, UM, you Live

0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:47.040
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a seat at that table. Some of the

0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:49.800
<v Speaker 1>other governing bodies do. That has a lot of seatson.

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:54.960
<v Speaker 1>It's funny. We were in Portland at the Living It

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Do and UM, you know, as you mentioned, it's very

0:48:57.400 --> 0:49:00.320
<v Speaker 1>weird for me because this year I was working you know,

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I've been working with DJ, I been working with Pat Perez,

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and I was working with Garrick Kego, the young South

0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Africa Ken. Garrick was on the PGA tour. UM, DJ

0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:10.239
<v Speaker 1>and Pat made the decision to go to Live, and

0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was trying to figure out how I

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:14.359
<v Speaker 1>was going to bounce back and forth and so Um,

0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>the Monday of the first Live event in London, UM

0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Garret the young kids said listen, you know, I'm just

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 1>going to kind of go back to doing my own thing.

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 1>And so so it's not that I'm I don't want

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.120
<v Speaker 1>to go back on the PGA Tour. It's just the

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.279
<v Speaker 1>guys that I'm working with right now or on the

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Live tour. So it's where that you know, like we're

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:37.360
<v Speaker 1>hired guns, right, we go where the work is. Um,

0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 1>we we have to go where the players are. But

0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just if you think there's a way that they

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:46.799
<v Speaker 1>can get world ranking points and so that we can

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:51.879
<v Speaker 1>have more competition, um, rightly or wrongly, I think some

0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>of the things that Greg has talked about in the

0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:56.799
<v Speaker 1>past about trying to get the best players in the

0:49:56.800 --> 0:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>world together more often. I mean you've you've talked about it,

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, privately with me for a long time. There's

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:04.799
<v Speaker 1>too many damn tournaments on the PGA Tour. I mean,

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 1>so in in an ideal world for you, you know,

0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 1>we've got almost forty What do we have over forty

0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 1>tournaments on the page for you? What would be a

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 1>good number of p g A Tour events twenty five thirty? Well,

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.319
<v Speaker 1>first of all, let's let's go to the fifty top

0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 1>fifty in the world. As long as the live is

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:27.879
<v Speaker 1>playing fifty four holes, They're never going to get any

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:29.719
<v Speaker 1>world right before, So they gotta go to seventy two

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.040
<v Speaker 1>holes because they got the apples to apples, you can't

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:34.800
<v Speaker 1>play less holes, and so that's the first thing that

0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 1>would have to happen. Uh. Second of all, I don't

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:42.759
<v Speaker 1>know what what what you can do to make what

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.239
<v Speaker 1>you were just talking about happen. Have they pulled your

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 1>credentials p A Tour taking your credential away from you?

0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Or will you get one next year? That would be interesting.

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:53.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, they haven't pulled my credential. But normally, I

0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:56.800
<v Speaker 1>mean we're one week away, so the PGA Tour season

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:01.200
<v Speaker 1>starts in three week. I mean when when they do

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the wrap around? What a week or two weeks after normally?

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:06.200
<v Speaker 1>At this point I need to go through my emails

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and look is normally I would have gotten a critical

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 1>just the PJ Tour has no idea that I'm no

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>longer working with garat Kego. I mean, I've got a

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:15.440
<v Speaker 1>credential on the PGA Tour. I could go to the

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Tour Championship today with my credential. Um, I haven't heard anything.

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I've heard some rumors um that one of the South

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:27.479
<v Speaker 1>African caddies. Um, that was caddying on the Champions Tour.

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:31.319
<v Speaker 1>I've heard some rumors that maybe his credential. I just

0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you you said that earlier. It is really

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 1>it seems petty. It seems like you the guys you

0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>know in pont of Bed should be worried about trying

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:46.520
<v Speaker 1>to figure out a solution as opposed to trying to

0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:48.839
<v Speaker 1>pull people credential. Were in Portland for the second Live

0:51:48.880 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 1>event and that's when they pulled DJ off the all

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:53.759
<v Speaker 1>time money list. You know, DJ was third in all

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:57.799
<v Speaker 1>time money, you know, seventy seventy three thousand, seventy three

0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:00.319
<v Speaker 1>million dollars seventy four million dollars or whatever it is.

0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:03.480
<v Speaker 1>And somebody said something to him, and no joke true.

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.759
<v Speaker 1>DJ goes yeah. I mean it's kind of I mean,

0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of petty, but he goes bro. I don't care.

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:12.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not like I don't have the money. Yeah, it's just,

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:16.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think there's just I'm gonna say it

0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:17.799
<v Speaker 1>for the third time. This is the last time. It

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 1>reminds me of politics in our country. Both parties were

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:23.880
<v Speaker 1>probably Democrats going away from each other instead of coming

0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 1>towards each other. All they talked about is how bad

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.799
<v Speaker 1>the other person is not. Let's fix this. Fix that.

0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:31.160
<v Speaker 1>They've got to come together. There has to be a

0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:33.239
<v Speaker 1>meeting of the ways. There has to be put your

0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>egos aside, let's make this thing work. And I think

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the Tiger meeting was probably the start of it. I

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know, Like I said, I know some of the

0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:42.799
<v Speaker 1>guys that were there, but they're not talking about what

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.560
<v Speaker 1>went down. The Tiger meeting was probably the start of that.

0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Let's have a players meeting, Let's see what we need

0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:51.960
<v Speaker 1>to do here. Let's all get on the same page.

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Any of you want to go to Live, you know,

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. I know Tiger has mentioned that before that

0:52:57.200 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 1>he's not a fan of Live, but he doesn't hold

0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 1>it against anybody to win because you you know, gone

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 1>for a chance to make a lot of money. He

0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:08.040
<v Speaker 1>he didn't need the billion dollars. He's already you're talking.

0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's funny you talk about, you know, Tiger

0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:13.360
<v Speaker 1>talking about where's guaranteed money? Where's the incentive? I mean, listen,

0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean you and I'm at Tiger on the same day.

0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I think he's the greatest golfer of all time. Um,

0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:23.239
<v Speaker 1>but there isn't a player currently playing that had more

0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 1>guaranteed cash. I mean you, you, you helped. You flew

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 1>to Tiger's first event as a pro with him on

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:33.680
<v Speaker 1>a G four fifty on a private jet. He was

0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 1>flying on a private jet from day one. This is

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:41.040
<v Speaker 1>a guy that's had guaranteed money before he turned pro, right,

0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and it sure as hell didn't keep him from not

0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 1>being the greatest player of all time. He made more

0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 1>money than anybody. Yeah, I disagree with the people that

0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 1>say that there's no one sentive to win. A professional

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:55.879
<v Speaker 1>golfer wants to win. They have a self pride. They're

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:57.920
<v Speaker 1>not going to just go out there and let themselves

0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:00.399
<v Speaker 1>go and not do their training and not or can

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:02.919
<v Speaker 1>shoot bad scores. No, that that's not who they are.

0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:07.120
<v Speaker 1>They want to win. And I think there's a motivational

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:10.799
<v Speaker 1>factor there because this has been thrown around a lot.

0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:12.919
<v Speaker 1>To those forty eight guys that are playing there, they're

0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:14.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna say, hey, wait, but we're gonna show you what

0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:16.440
<v Speaker 1>we can do. I'm gonna stick to this right back up,

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:18.600
<v Speaker 1>bed around like you've been trying to figure it out. Mine.

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.280
<v Speaker 1>So this is going to motivate me to even work

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 1>harder and play better. So you know, I don't. You know,

0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I can understand because it's kind of like a corporate

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:32.719
<v Speaker 1>outing atmosphere with the parties, and I don't get the

0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 1>music and but all that that's going on, and the

0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:37.719
<v Speaker 1>guys are more relaxed, and hey, these are professionals. They

0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:39.640
<v Speaker 1>have pride. They don't want to go out there and

0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:41.239
<v Speaker 1>make a food out of himself and look bad. I

0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:43.840
<v Speaker 1>guarantee it. Phil Mickelson is not happy with himself the

0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:46.879
<v Speaker 1>way he's been playing. And if I don't know what

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:48.879
<v Speaker 1>Bill is doing now, because I haven't talked to him,

0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.439
<v Speaker 1>changed his phone numbers, so I don't have his phone

0:54:51.520 --> 0:54:54.279
<v Speaker 1>number anymore. If I did, I'm guaranteed and I talked

0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to him, he working his tail off because he doesn't

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:59.440
<v Speaker 1>like to put playing bad and looking like a bad player.

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Nobody's like said. So I think it's an incentive almost

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.560
<v Speaker 1>a thing that they can use to motivate themselves. They

0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:09.600
<v Speaker 1>even get better and see better scores. Yeah, I think

0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I sent it to you. Somebody made up a mock

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:14.560
<v Speaker 1>up that if there was a live versus the PGA

0:55:14.560 --> 0:55:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Tour Ryder Cup kind of format right now, you get

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Greg Norman as the captain of the live guys, you

0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:22.200
<v Speaker 1>get Tigers the captain of the um the PGA Tour.

0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:23.839
<v Speaker 1>And if you look at kind of how it could

0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:26.640
<v Speaker 1>play out with the stars, um, you know for years

0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:31.440
<v Speaker 1>the Ryder Cup. Um, Yeah, the guys liked each other.

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:33.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean didn't some of some of the guys didn't

0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:35.719
<v Speaker 1>like it. But there wasn't real real beef in the

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Ryder Cup, right I mean it wasn't. If there was

0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:41.120
<v Speaker 1>a Ryder Cup type format now with live versus the

0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:44.279
<v Speaker 1>PGA Tour, if they did it next year, I mean,

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:46.839
<v Speaker 1>there's real beef. There's a bunch of guys right now

0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:49.720
<v Speaker 1>on one side they're saying they don't like these guys.

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:52.239
<v Speaker 1>The captains don't like each other. I mean it could

0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:56.399
<v Speaker 1>be it could be really really interesting to watch. Yeah,

0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and and and if there was a playoff, you'd have

0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:01.919
<v Speaker 1>to have a US you have see uh stadium set

0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:05.000
<v Speaker 1>up so they can side it out you want to

0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:09.720
<v Speaker 1>do And I'm betting on Greg. And that's fight Greg

0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:14.520
<v Speaker 1>versus man of hand. Now that's not much of the sight. Um. Lastly, Dad,

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:16.920
<v Speaker 1>you're coming up next week on a or at the

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.520
<v Speaker 1>end of the end of this week, monument almost a

0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:25.080
<v Speaker 1>monumental birthday, seventy nine years old. It's Um, You've had

0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a hell of a life and a hell of a career. Um,

0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:31.120
<v Speaker 1>what still motivates you? Now? I know you still work

0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 1>with you know players. You know you work with Gary Woodland,

0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:36.600
<v Speaker 1>you work with Daniel Kaye, you work with Matt McNeely.

0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I think you've done a hell of a job with

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:41.799
<v Speaker 1>with Harold Varner. Um you're still doing work with Web Sinson.

0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 1>But what at this stage of your life, Dad, you

0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:45.319
<v Speaker 1>could I mean, you don't have to work, you can

0:56:45.360 --> 0:56:48.280
<v Speaker 1>do whatever you want. What still motivates you to work

0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 1>with these players? And and what's that like at your age?

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I love, I love to be around great players. I

0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:57.239
<v Speaker 1>love to watch him, I love to see what they do.

0:56:57.280 --> 0:56:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I love to learn from him. I love to teach,

0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:03.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't. I don't teach so much to

0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the normal players anymore because they kind of wore me

0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:12.640
<v Speaker 1>out with bad swing. But I still I love the game.

0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I love being around the game, I love being in it.

0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm very frustrated that my game at the moments not

0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 1>real good. You know how hard I am on myself

0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:23.000
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to that. So I still try and

0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:25.720
<v Speaker 1>practice and work on different things. I got delete to

0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:27.760
<v Speaker 1>give me a lesson that you give me a lesson.

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm just turning into Curtis Strange. I think, I

0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:34.720
<v Speaker 1>think if I go, because I just I just want

0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to play. The only good thing I can say about

0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 1>being seventy nine is that much easier to shoot my

0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>age one shot lower. I gotta shoot. I've done it

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 1>ever since I was sixty six. So you go, what

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 1>what tease do you play for them? I like to

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:52.560
<v Speaker 1>play it about sixty two hundred, sixty three hundred. How

0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 1>far are you carrying it in the air with the

0:57:54.800 --> 0:58:01.120
<v Speaker 1>driver right now? Maybe two fifteen. I always tell people

0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:03.160
<v Speaker 1>they say, how do you how are you playing these days?

0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Which I said, you know, I got a great short

0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 1>game to go, really said. The trouble is it's with

0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 1>my driver, doesn't doesn't? I mean? And I don't think

0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.320
<v Speaker 1>people realize this about you. I know it pisces you

0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:16.040
<v Speaker 1>off that you don't hit the golf ball further at

0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 1>your age. I know it just it drives you crazy.

0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I try, I try to try to hit it further

0:58:22.120 --> 0:58:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and try, you know, I just want to get the

0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:26.200
<v Speaker 1>best out of what I got. You know, I'm at

0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 1>the test center a couple of times in the past

0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:30.480
<v Speaker 1>months and trying the new drivers. You know, can they

0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:32.520
<v Speaker 1>say they go three to five hole an hour faster.

0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what machine you're testing that on. Right

0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 1>with my swing, I get you that at an eight

0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:39.960
<v Speaker 1>mile an hour coverage, and I have it, gonna throw

0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:42.680
<v Speaker 1>it out there very far. I just played to have fun,

0:58:42.720 --> 0:58:45.360
<v Speaker 1>and I planned with my buddies. I planned a few

0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Membory guests a year with good friends of mine. Uh,

0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:51.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm playing to Wingfoot's Memory Guests and in October,

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to that. I always playing the Flaridian

0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:56.760
<v Speaker 1>one I play. You know, I've got I can playing

0:58:56.800 --> 0:59:00.640
<v Speaker 1>membery time to compete, you know, and I no different

0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:03.000
<v Speaker 1>than any golfer. I don't like that shots That shots

0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:06.880
<v Speaker 1>kissed me off because my problem is my mind knows

0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:08.960
<v Speaker 1>exactly what I'm trying to do, and my body is

0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:11.520
<v Speaker 1>looking at me said, who the hell are you kids kidding? No, man,

0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you can't do that. So I gotta the way of

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:17.120
<v Speaker 1>doing things. Billy, Billy kind of helped me a lillly.

0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:19.600
<v Speaker 1>You helped me once down to flow. So I got

0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:22.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of information flying about the problem with me

0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:24.560
<v Speaker 1>is I do none of the things I tell all

0:59:24.560 --> 0:59:27.320
<v Speaker 1>my players to do. I don't work out, I don't stretch,

0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't eat right, you know, I just I'm just me.

0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:33.080
<v Speaker 1>And then then I have to go out there and perform,

0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:35.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, and you have to work at it. But

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the game is the beating of this game is like

0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I got me seventy nine. It's I can still play golf.

0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I can still enjoy myself. As you know, I became

0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:47.160
<v Speaker 1>a member of my favorite course in the whole World

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:50.920
<v Speaker 1>warld County down just over there. I'm just gonna ask you,

0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:52.800
<v Speaker 1>you got to take a you know, it is your

0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:55.280
<v Speaker 1>favorite course. You'd wanted to be a member there forever.

0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Dunn, Um it was an AUGUSTA member and run seminal.

0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:01.280
<v Speaker 1>He helped you get in. UM. Why don't you tell

1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:03.760
<v Speaker 1>once you tell us about you took a special golf

1:00:03.800 --> 1:00:06.680
<v Speaker 1>trip that I know, UM was something that that that

1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:10.000
<v Speaker 1>was pretty unique in what you were able to do well.

1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:12.440
<v Speaker 1>We I became a member of two thousand and nineteen

1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:15.040
<v Speaker 1>and then COVID came. You know, I was over there

1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:18.440
<v Speaker 1>with some friends of mine and two that of the

1:00:18.520 --> 1:00:20.600
<v Speaker 1>nineteen before I made a member. It is my favorite

1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:22.760
<v Speaker 1>golf course, but I think World County Down and it's

1:00:22.840 --> 1:00:25.720
<v Speaker 1>the final scoff coution. I love the place. It's a

1:00:25.720 --> 1:00:29.520
<v Speaker 1>great membership, great course. Uh so I never got to

1:00:29.560 --> 1:00:33.800
<v Speaker 1>go COVID handed the trip that was organized by Jimmy

1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Dunn and Stan Drucken Miller, a bunch of Augusta members

1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:38.120
<v Speaker 1>who are good friends of mine, who happened to all

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the members at the Royal County Down. They decided to

1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:42.720
<v Speaker 1>come out. We gotta take a bunch over for his

1:00:42.800 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 1>first time in the Royal County Down, and so you

1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:48.400
<v Speaker 1>know it was, it was so so so let me

1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:50.800
<v Speaker 1>let me set this. Let me set the sea middle seat,

1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:55.080
<v Speaker 1>uh middle seat on on a on a budget airline

1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:58.840
<v Speaker 1>and you you have like fifty five or six stops. Yeah,

1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:01.640
<v Speaker 1>we had an eighty in dollar global brand new one

1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:05.360
<v Speaker 1>bla blahs that you could hit wedges inside this plane.

1:01:05.480 --> 1:01:08.320
<v Speaker 1>We could have putting contests. Uh yeah. I had a

1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:10.560
<v Speaker 1>good seat sitting right next to my man stand rock

1:01:10.600 --> 1:01:12.360
<v Speaker 1>A Miller whose plane it was. You think I'm gonna

1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:15.400
<v Speaker 1>get far away from him, You're crazy. And we had

1:01:15.440 --> 1:01:18.040
<v Speaker 1>a wonderful time. We stayed right there at the hotel

1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:20.320
<v Speaker 1>at the course. We went up and played Port Rush

1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:22.320
<v Speaker 1>and then we came back down and then played three

1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:24.400
<v Speaker 1>rounds and well kind of down. It was a quick trip.

1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:26.400
<v Speaker 1>It was like a four day trip. And then we

1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:28.680
<v Speaker 1>were back and it was Man, if you're donn't go

1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:31.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know, somebody's got one of those hop on

1:01:31.640 --> 1:01:37.280
<v Speaker 1>that damn thanks that is that is a unique situation

1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:40.560
<v Speaker 1>that um, most people listening can only dream of. Uh

1:01:41.280 --> 1:01:45.960
<v Speaker 1>about this cause when we landed over there and they

1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:48.680
<v Speaker 1>take you out to this private area to depart the

1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:52.000
<v Speaker 1>plane and everything, you know, that's this new Global. It's gigantic.

1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:55.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a big airplane and guys there, and you know

1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:58.080
<v Speaker 1>how it is because I've done a sky for twenty

1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:01.959
<v Speaker 1>five years. Comes this big plane landing and this guy

1:02:02.000 --> 1:02:04.520
<v Speaker 1>that's in there bringing them in like this and bringing

1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:07.400
<v Speaker 1>them in and okay, that's good kind of Um. The

1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:10.360
<v Speaker 1>stairs come up and okay, here's they pulled this bus

1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:13.120
<v Speaker 1>up and get all our stuff and get there and

1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:15.520
<v Speaker 1>there there are these two guys out there. They were, well,

1:02:15.560 --> 1:02:18.040
<v Speaker 1>they're taking care of the planet, isn't I had all

1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:21.320
<v Speaker 1>these guys in a billionaires getting off this plane, and

1:02:21.360 --> 1:02:23.680
<v Speaker 1>these two guys say, Mr Harmon, please can we have

1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:28.280
<v Speaker 1>a picture with you in front of your plane? I'm sure,

1:02:28.320 --> 1:02:31.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Druk love that he was gonna be crapped

1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the whole time about it, said, where do I send

1:02:33.520 --> 1:02:37.400
<v Speaker 1>a fuel bills? You don't want that thing. I think

1:02:37.440 --> 1:02:40.280
<v Speaker 1>you had a lot of great things to say, and

1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:44.240
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully, um hopefully, like you said, I think maybe

1:02:44.280 --> 1:02:47.200
<v Speaker 1>everybody can put on both sides, can put their egos aside,

1:02:47.240 --> 1:02:49.720
<v Speaker 1>and um, you know, try and figure this thing out,

1:02:49.800 --> 1:02:53.960
<v Speaker 1>because hopefully next time we talk to you will have

1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:58.400
<v Speaker 1>seen some progress and maybe a little less chaos. Well,

1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I would hope that. I hope. I hope they get

1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:03.640
<v Speaker 1>together and let's let's stop fighting and let's try and

1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:06.560
<v Speaker 1>make this work free enterprise. It's just that that's what

1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:09.200
<v Speaker 1>our country has founded on, that you have the right

1:03:09.240 --> 1:03:11.040
<v Speaker 1>to try and do whatever you can do and do

1:03:11.120 --> 1:03:12.840
<v Speaker 1>the best for you and your family, which I think

1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:14.800
<v Speaker 1>is what the guys that are over live we're doing.

1:03:15.920 --> 1:03:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I just hope they all get together, and I'm very

1:03:18.520 --> 1:03:20.840
<v Speaker 1>curious to see how many more jump over there with you.

1:03:20.960 --> 1:03:22.920
<v Speaker 1>So I think there's gonna be some big names, You're

1:03:22.920 --> 1:03:25.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna do it and we'll see what happens. Well, I

1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:29.320
<v Speaker 1>will give you an update um from Boston, and uh

1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:33.600
<v Speaker 1>really looking forward um to the Tour Championship this week. Um.

1:03:33.640 --> 1:03:37.280
<v Speaker 1>You know there's a lot of good players playing some

1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:40.600
<v Speaker 1>really really good golf late in the season. UM. I

1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:42.120
<v Speaker 1>think it'd be a hell of a story with all

1:03:42.120 --> 1:03:44.439
<v Speaker 1>of the guys. If can't they can win again. If

1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:47.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, Scotty Scheffler can win it, um, and maybe

1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:49.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody comes out of the pack, who knows, you know, Claude,

1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:51.360
<v Speaker 1>our good friend Adams. Scott got in there with a

1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:54.280
<v Speaker 1>great last man. I'm so happy for Scott and got

1:03:54.280 --> 1:03:56.840
<v Speaker 1>he made a great, great bunker shot on a seventy

1:03:56.880 --> 1:04:00.240
<v Speaker 1>second holding get the last spot, the thirtieth spot. So

1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:04.360
<v Speaker 1>happy for him because he's a great guy. And hey,

1:04:04.440 --> 1:04:07.000
<v Speaker 1>hang in there, let's let's let's hope that we can

1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:10.080
<v Speaker 1>get something done here and everybody get along together and

1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:14.120
<v Speaker 1>dal stop. We don't need we don't need the w

1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:17.520
<v Speaker 1>W E and golf. We just good, good players, good

1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:20.480
<v Speaker 1>scores take care of a lot of things. Congratulations on

1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:23.120
<v Speaker 1>all your success. I'm really proud of you, Quoudy, And

1:04:23.200 --> 1:04:25.000
<v Speaker 1>now how hard you worked at what you do. And

1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:28.080
<v Speaker 1>you you're a wonderful young man and young what you're

1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:31.600
<v Speaker 1>fifty something, you know, you three, you're young to mate.

1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:33.760
<v Speaker 1>But I'm really proud of you. I love you, Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. You got it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was butch harmon and listen, you're always gonna

1:04:43.720 --> 1:04:46.120
<v Speaker 1>get great takes from my dad. He's been around the

1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:49.000
<v Speaker 1>game his entire life, and I thought he had some

1:04:49.120 --> 1:04:52.600
<v Speaker 1>really really interesting things to say. Listen, UM, my dad

1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:57.160
<v Speaker 1>loves golf. Golf is his life. And uh, he mentioned

1:04:57.200 --> 1:04:59.880
<v Speaker 1>he's going to be turning seventy nine in a few days.

1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:04.800
<v Speaker 1>And um, we've had private conversations about what's going on, um,

1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:07.600
<v Speaker 1>what's happening in the professional game. And you know, I'm

1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:10.280
<v Speaker 1>lucky enough to be a part of the professional game,

1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:13.000
<v Speaker 1>both on the PGA Tour, on the Live Tour and

1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:16.040
<v Speaker 1>all around the world. And UM, I thought that, you know,

1:05:16.080 --> 1:05:19.520
<v Speaker 1>my dad had some great ideas that if if everybody could,

1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, quit going to these extreme opposites and meet

1:05:22.640 --> 1:05:25.440
<v Speaker 1>in the middle, I think the game would be a

1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:29.160
<v Speaker 1>better place. Hopefully, uh, there will be some solutions and

1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:33.840
<v Speaker 1>hopefully things will um die down and you know, a

1:05:33.920 --> 1:05:37.840
<v Speaker 1>year from now maybe things look a lot different. So

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<v Speaker 1>no questions this week, but uh next week. The recent

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<v Speaker 1>Open champion Ashley Bouhai, who played just an amazing round

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<v Speaker 1>of golf, big playoff win and she wins her first

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<v Speaker 1>major and it was really cool to talk to her

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<v Speaker 1>about that journey, uh, from South Africa to being now

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<v Speaker 1>a major champion. And we've got some really really good

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<v Speaker 1>guests lines up for the future. Keep going to my

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<v Speaker 1>social Twitter Instagram. We'll be putting up um questions, be

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<v Speaker 1>asking who you want to hear on the podcast. But

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<v Speaker 1>really really excited to launch the new podcast. Want to

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<v Speaker 1>thank everybody for listening. The Son of a Butch podcast

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<v Speaker 1>will come to you every Wednesday. We will see you

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<v Speaker 1>next week.