WEBVTT - Succession Series Finale 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.120 Warning. This podcast contained spoilers for the series finale of 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:23.400 Succession on HBO. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.279 I'm Rosey Night and welcome to x ray Vision, the 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:32.040 Crooked Media podcast where we're diving deepen to your favorite show. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.320 This episode movies, comics, and pop culture, but really just 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.680 one show, the finale, the series finale of Succession. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.280 YEP. In this episode, we've got actually kind of two 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.240 finales because it's the finale of Market Moves. The Market 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.840 Moves comes to an end as we talk about Succession 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.360 season four, episode ten, the series finale, one of the 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.120 greatest series finales of all time. I think I'm saying 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.200 it's happening, and in and out we've got Joe talking 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.280 about Netflix's Vulture and Legendary Defender. I'm very excited to 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.720 hear that because people love that show and the fandom 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:09.600 is very passionate. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.880 Coming up Market Moves the finale, series finale of my 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:21.679 series finale. Too much pain. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:27.240 Here's what I say, pain sponges. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:33.240 Here, you can take a break, put a sticker on 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:34.920 your brain. I can save your space. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:44.639 And I don't like eyes because they're face eggs. Clap 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.559 along if you suck the biggest stick in the room, 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:51.080 Clap along. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:57.080 If you feel like a puppet for Big Luke, clap along. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.960 If you feel like your wife's slopes are filled with 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.040 the juice. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:03.040 Go long. 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:08.400 If you feel like sucking. D is for Market Moves Mackets. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:09.040 Let's go. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.000 Market Move's album coming soon, Coming soon. Go. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:18.920 It's the finale of Marcot Moves. Yes, oh, folks, what 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:24.400 a show. What a finale? What an ascendance by Thomas 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.880 the Quizzling whams Gans. Let's get into it. We start 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.400 on deal Day, New York City. Ken arrives at waste 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:37.359 oar HQ. He's dapping up the crew. He's saying hi 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:42.720 to everybody. Hey, Hey, Corpy the DM everybody. Uh enter Telly, Telly, 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.280 who I love, has entered into our lives kind of 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.600 late in the life of the series. But Telly is 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:55.280 and every organization needs a Telly. Telly is the person 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.800 who's actually good at their job. But the powers that 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.320 keep Telly hidden away, like in a closet somewhere, and 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.960 you only really break Telly out when you need him, 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.520 but you do it privately, so nobody knows that Telly 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:10.920 is actually the one who knows. 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.800 Shit, Jason, are you saying they stashed Telly so nobody 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.320 saw the tapes. They keep him away. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:21.400 That's really what happened. So Ken walks in, and Telly 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.960 as the truth teller, and the guy who sees clearly 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.680 immediately briefs Ken on what's going on with Stewie. He 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.280 just got off the phone with Stewie's guy, and Stuwie 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.239 is they don't have Stewie, and Ken is like what who? What? 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:40.400 He pulls himself together and he says, Okay, I can 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.600 get Stewie on board. I'll just get a phone called 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.920 with Stewie and this is a play and this is 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.080 just a smoke screen, and I can get Stewie. And 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.880 if I don't get Stewie, there's like a couple. I 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.040 have some backups in mind, so we have a path 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.280 to getting the votes. And then Telly is like, okay, 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.240 but like your votes include Roman and where is Roman? 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.360 No one's seen Roman, nobody's heard from Roman and Roman 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.520 and Ken is like, don't worry. I got Roman. I 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.720 don't know where Roman is, but I got him. I 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.560 have his votes. I got him. It doesn't matter. I 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.080 don't know where he is. We go to Lucas HQ 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.480 where Shiv is telling Lucas the stewing news that Ken 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.279 doesn't have STEWI anymore, and she rattles off a straw pole. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.679 She's got it all. Listen, Kelly does it in his head. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.200 Shiv needs a little piece of paper, but that's okay, 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.240 and she rattles it off, and she's like, listen, you 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.599 can cut the pizza any way you want, but the 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.520 pie is all yours, Lucas, It's all go Joe baby, 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.400 It's in the fucking bag. And also not that I 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:45.200 care about it, Luke, but you know, Tom remember whatever 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.960 you know, Like, whichever way you want to go with that, 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.120 I'm good. And Lucas is like, listen, I've had a 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:54.279 few vibe checks with Tom. Uh and you know, what 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:59.080 do you think? What do you think? And Shiv is like, well, uh, 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.240 and I quote, he's very competent, but if he irks 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.440 you or if it's complicated, it is okay. He is 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.839 very plausible corporate matter, but he's also just a highly interchangeable, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.520 modular part. And I would say that to his faith. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:17.520 She would, she definitely would say that, this absolutely fucking would. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.799 And she, you know, she lets Lucas know in closing 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.640 that Tom will suck the biggest dick in the room. 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.800 So let me ask prompt number one. Is that the 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.320 nicest thing that Shiv has ever said about Tom, that 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:32.960 he will suck the best. 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.640 You know what, I will say, I believe in this 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.320 moment it is probably the best thing she's ever done Tom, 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:47.120 because I think this is the most important line in 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.560 all of succession, which is fantastic. And I think this 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.760 is the moment that Lucas Mattson knows Thomas his guy. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.360 Because you know what, HIV can say that to Tom's face. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:05.600 Tom would probably agree and add some flowery language about 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.600 how good he would be at sucking the biggest dick. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.160 But if Chiv would never say that about herself. HIV 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.640 does not see herself that way, and that is what 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.800 Lucas needs. So this is Shiv's greatest gift to great 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:19.960 It's a great. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.159 Call, and it leads us into our next prompt, which 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.720 we will get to shortly. But I think you're right 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.480 Number one. Shiv would say this and much worse to 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:33.680 Tom's faith. She'd say She's said lots of truly, truly 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.400 awful things over the course of this series too directly 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.320 to Tom's visage, including as I love to point out, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.599 asking him on his wedding night if they could have 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:47.840 an ophoop marriage. Uh, and I agree with you. Clearly, 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:53.880 Lucas wants a quizzling, wants a puppet. Does not want 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:58.279 anybody with their own thoughts, who will voice their own thoughts, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.680 who will even seem as if they're voicing their own thoughts. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:07.159 He wants a pure cutout. And and Shiv letting Lucas 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.760 know that Tom will drop to his knees at the 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.240 snap of a finger, lets Lucas know that, Yeah, I 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.640 think Tom is the guy. Shiv takes a call from 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.280 her mom, Lady Caroline, the wonderful Lady Caroline coming in 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:28.920 a hot coming in absolute like star fucking power, unbelievable stuff. 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.120 So from this and we learned that Roman has gone 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:37.840 to ground at Mummy's house in Barbados, wonderful, wonderful little 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.640 little getaway place. Although Lady Caroline is you know, let's 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.040 know the need of the house. Obviously it's still leaking. 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.880 It's a it's a ship box. No, it's a beautiful mansion. 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:51.760 Shiv tells Lucas. Okay, I have a location on Roman. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.600 He's with my mom. I'm going there to get him 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.960 because we need to have you know, we get Let's 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.480 get as many of the Roys on side as we 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:05.280 can so this thing isn't perceived as quote Lady Macbeth 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:10.520 Part two, which brings us to a prompt number two. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.800 So we see in this scene that Lucas is a 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:18.760 little There is a vanity I think vanity fair piece 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:23.360 about Lucas, and the art is an illustration of Shiv 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.440 holding matts and strings making him dance to the tune, 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.320 so that Matson is the puppet, not Shiv. And clearly 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.960 this profile is is wondering you know who is really 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:38.360 running things at Gojo, And here is Shiv showing at 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.760 least that she has some awareness of that perception being 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.240 out there saying, you know, I don't want this to 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.319 look like Lady Macbeth part two. And we can get 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.640 another if we get to the roy if we get 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.840 Roman on side. Now it looks like there's two Roys 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.000 holding Lucas's strings and it's not just me being not 0:08:56.120 --> 0:09:00.120 So this leads us to our Shiv comes from the 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.280 political world, communications in politics. How did she fuck this up? 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.480 How did she You know, if it was Ken Even 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.920 or certainly her dad or any other of the power 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.480 players here, they'd be on the phone to their version 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.400 of Hugo or Carolina and they'd be like, Okay, here's 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.200 this profiles coming. Make sure it makes me look like 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.760 the puppet, not Lucas. I'm the puppet. How did she 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:25.600 fuck this up? 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.480 So the headline is really interesting because it says like, 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.880 is Lucas Madison taking over the world, but then it 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.800 has the puppet sh shift puppeteerium. I actually think this 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.920 is Shiv's own arrogance. I think Shiv and Kelly have 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.480 the same problem, which is they have so much self belief. 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.240 Schiv says something really interesting late in this episode where 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.000 she says like Mason believes in me, and it's like 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.160 she truly believes. She's like, well, this is just like 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.960 a funny image like and also it wouldn't be so 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.520 terrible if there was one bit of information that did 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.640 look like I was the one was puppeteering him, even 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.320 if it's just like a joke. I want people to 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.240 know that I'm a partner in this. And there's this 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.840 kind of like sparring ground look Shiv's biggest mistake throughout 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.800 all of this. As much as it has been absolutely 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.600 joyful to watch her stab her brother's love act, I 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.000 love it. She knew Madison was an abuser. She knows 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.480 he hates women, He makes Holocaust jokes. He is not 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.200 a person you can trust, and he's also not a 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.800 person who's ego you can ever stop stroking. And I 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.719 think it is that, like you said, Schiv fucked this 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.360 up because it's that duality of that, it's not a 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:38.560 coincidence he's reading that piece and she says that line 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.400 about Tom and then he makes that choice. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:40.960 Yeah. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:42.760 I think if there was, if it was if the 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.640 image had been the other way around, if it had 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.960 been him puppeteering her this kind of weird, you know, caricature, 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:54.520 he might have been more amenable to her being the puppet. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.319 But I think, really it was never gonna happen because 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:56.920 she's a woman. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.440 Uh, I got the other way. I think it might 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:07.720 have happened. I certainly. Uh. The things that Lucas says 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.240 about Shov later lead me to believe that, you know, 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.520 he was pushing boundaries, and I think, you know, given 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.120 the right circumstances, he'd love to have Shiv working for 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.400 him to push those boundaries, you know, wherever he felt 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.760 like it. But I also feel like, when you're right, 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.560 this is Shiv's arrogance, she said. She says, as Lucas 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.160 is looking at the piece, Oh, do you want me 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.160 to call the reporter, She's the reporter on speed dial. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.720 She probably sourced for him and probably told that. She 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.520 probably probably approved the oddest she probably said. And by 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.800 the way, just you know, on background, like I am, like, 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.960 I'm a partner and all this stuff. So I think this, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.640 you're right, This was her arrogance. This was her wanting 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.800 to signal like, hey, I'm I'm a player. I'm also 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.040 a player, and I think it fucked her up. But 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.760 I do think that there was a world in which 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:07.320 Shiv acts supine enough and spineless enough and is on 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.640 top of this kind of messaging. You know it, you know, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:15.480 is communicating and broadcasting to everyone who will listen. Hey, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.520 it's Lucas running things. It's Lucas running things. I'm just 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.400 he just wants me here like as a as a flag, 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.040 a roy flag. And also because I have the the 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.040 you know, the next in line roy baby in my belly. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.280 I think that I think there's a world in which 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:33.719 Lucas would have gone for it. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:38.280 I think you're right. I actually think that shows how 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.080 naive Shiv was in this situation, because actually that's a 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:46.920 very easy pr message, and she could have even like 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.400 if she could have just gotten over this need to 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.000 be like her brothers, she could have just even acted 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:56.200 that way to Matson in the room. She's always coming 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.280 in trying to talk about like numbers and like her 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.080 and he's like, you know what, one ship, you don't 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.040 know what you're talking about. None of you do. You're 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.120 none of you are serious people. That's the realist thing, 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:12.079 Logan said. Logan was right, ding ding ding ring the bell. 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.160 But also like you could have just played him. Mattson 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.480 is also not a serious person. Like you could have 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.800 played the subservient woman who's just gonna do whatever he says, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.480 and then actually gotten your power from just the fact 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.360 that he really wouldn't have known what was going on 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.920 outside of his little fancy in his head. But instead 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.600 she wanted to play the big balls, you know, tough 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.880 girl boss situation, and as we know, there never goes well. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.600 It does not go well. Shiv then calls Tom, and 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:46.520 she has an interesting proposition. She says, Hey, wouldn't it 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.280 be great, Uh, you know, if you were so Ameniambal 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:54.320 to continue like maybe living this very very toxic lie 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.559 of ours, wouldn't that be convenient? You know, we can 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.959 lock it down right now, we can it back down 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:05.000 and start living his husband and wife again. You know, 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:06.679 if you're into that, what do you think? 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:08.720 You know? 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.760 What do you say? What's up? This is probably the 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:16.480 smartest thing that Shiv has done in this entire series, 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.320 because I think this is the thing that gives her 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.400 the out that we see the end of the episode 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:23.840 and Tom says he doesn't know. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.040 I totally agree. Okay, mini prompt. Do you think Shiv 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.760 means it? Because there is a line where she says 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.640 to him, you know, we've already said the worst things 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.040 you can ever say to each other, so like we're 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.320 basically starting here knowing the worst things about each other. 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.240 That to me actually sounds like there is at least 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.120 five percent of her who's like, oh, maybe this could 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.000 be the least terrible option for me, rather than just 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.480 like it being kind of a pretense, I think there 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.360 is a tiny piece of her that sees some kind 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:03.200 of safety net in Tom emotionally or something. I think 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.320 there's like a sparkle that that this isn't just a pretense. 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.600 I think there's something in there where Sheiv knows like 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.880 she's a horrible person, but here's somebody who knows that 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:12.840 too and accepts. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.680 Uh. I think that there is that, you know, it's 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.760 that very it's that thing from that maybe people have 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.640 experienced in toxic and or codependent relationships where it's bad, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.800 but the badness is kind of all you know, yes, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.480 and you're comfortable with the badness. I think there is 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.360 something to that. I also think it's a I think 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.320 it's a power move from Shiv as well, in which 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.360 she is kind of, you know, just as she was 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:42.080 saying to Lucas, like, let's project a unified from continuity. 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.600 We get the Roys on side. It looks good. I 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.920 think from her perspective, it's going to be me. I'm CEO. 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.920 I bring my husband along. He's subservient to me. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.080 We have a child with the roy We have. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.560 A child with the roy name. It looks great. The 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:03.880 Roys are continuing to run waste and it burnishes my reputation. 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.520 As you know, the big Boss lady, and I think 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:14.480 it looks good, and I think that's the play. 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.760 Play five, like maybe an inkling of something real deep down. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.520 I think she thinks she's saving Tom. Yes she does 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:23.680 at this point in time. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:24.800 Oh the irony. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:32.360 Greg, who has overheard this phone call, immediately scampers off 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.520 to Ken's camp with the news of Romans location. Ken 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.360 then calls Mon and confirms, and he tells his his 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.800 a new assistant, New Jests, who he refers to as 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:43.880 new Jess. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.440 Good for Jess, I'm glad she just called the funk 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.320 out of that. He doesn't even know. He doesn't my name. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.520 Nud Jess, Nu Jess, he tells New Jess. Hey, listen, 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.120 book me on the book me on the on our 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.640 fastest private jet to the career. Shive arrives first in 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.679 Barbados to find Roman with fresh stitches over his brow. 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:12.639 Ken then follows as When Ken is pulling in, he 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:19.560 finally gets in touch with Stewie, who basically assures him like, yeah, 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.760 it's all good, we got it. Ken and Shive then 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.760 spar on which side Roman is on in front of Roman, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.600 and Roman is like, you know, waffling back and forth. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.600 Ken is losing his mind over it. Shiv then like 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.800 absolutely rubs her assumed victory. And this is pure Shiv. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.960 She thinks she's won. It's not even the game hasn't 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:50.240 even started. There's no time. Yeah, she's got it fucking sewn. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.320 I wan and you guys are foxed and you just 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.680 need to accept it and celebrate me for fucking once. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:01.200 She does like the Allen iverson fucking step over of 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:07.320 Ken and it is it's almost you can see this 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.000 everything that happens in Barbados, including this kind of beginning. 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.280 And this is what's so great about this show is 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:19.840 that you can really feel this cycle of the siblings 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.119 come together. Yeah, one of them, one or several of 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.680 them think they've won whatever the thing is. Now they're 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.639 bickering and rubbing in each other's face. Then they have 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.239 a big blow up, then they come together, and then 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.600 it all falls apart, starting to cycle again. Like this cycle, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:40.480 you just can feel that it has taken place multiple times, 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.480 over multiple things, over the course of their lives. 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.919 You know what. It's such it's such brilliant writing because 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:53.119 in that moment, even though like Shiv is making so 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.479 many bad choices throughout this show, when she says to Kendle, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.800 she's like, I won, Like, can't you just be happy 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.199 for me one time? Like you just celebrate me. I 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.040 actually was like, yeah, fucking yeah, because you know what, 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.359 they never do. Like, even though I knew it was 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.919 going to be a short lived victory for her, I'm like, 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.240 you know what, for once, she was the one who 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.240 managed to fuck you guys over, and it seems like 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.240 most of her life that has not been she has 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.440 not been the winning party, you know. But you're right, 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.119 that cycle of seeing them and that unbelievable closeness that 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.240 we get when they come together, and then it's it's 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.480 you know, it's the cycle of it's the promise, the betrayal, 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.280 the promise, the betrayal, the promise, the betrayal. That's and 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:31.680 it was started by their dad. 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:37.960 I completely agree with you about that. It would be 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:42.160 wonderful if the Roys were less toxic than they are 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:49.240 and yeah, and less uh, you know, traumatized, because clearly 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.959 Shiv must have done things over the course of her 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:57.000 life that would and should garner praise from her brothers. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.960 At the same time, I look at this and I'm like, man, Shiv, 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:07.160 you actually have to win first, and that's it. That's 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:08.400 my deal with it. 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:14.000 My favorite thing about this episode is that they managed 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:18.480 to balance these moments where you're just so invested in 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.600 the characters while also always reminding you, like, these are 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.000 terrible people and they're fucking idiots, Like they're really really 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.639 stupid and arrogant, and that is going to be their downfall, 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.359 and even that downfall comes with a cushion of billions 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:33.000 of dollars. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.920 We'll get to that in a moment because I can't 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:40.800 I really can't wait to talk about that. X Ray 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:52.679 Vision will be back, and we're back. Tom and Gregor 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.440 are at a gallery opening with Lucas. Lucas has been 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.639 dragging both of them around, doing this kind of like 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:05.280 open ended vibe check that you know, it's unclear that 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.879 Tom and Greg really know that's what it is, but 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:12.520 he's been keeping them close. Tom really can't figure out 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.760 how to talk about art. I forget the line, what 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.240 does he say? The colors really go well? And then 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.520 Lucas walks away and he goes over to Greg and 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:26.000 basically rakes Greg over the colls for not jumping in 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.720 to save like a lumpy conversation and letting him say, like, 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:31.720 I guess the colors go well, like does that what 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:33.840 even work? Is that good? Yeah? 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.199 I think. Greg's like, shouldn't you have said together? And 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:38.879 He's like, yeah, the colors go, well, it's fine, it's fine. 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.000 Tom is like, listen, you need to figure it out 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.960 because like you're fucked, like Lucas hates you, like he's 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.600 gonna cut off your fucking head and fucking cut off 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.760 your dick and you're done, Like you're gonna be making 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:53.680 like no money. You're gonna be making like forty thousand 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:55.560 dollars a year. And Greg's like, actually he likes me, 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.720 and Tom is like, no, he fucking does not like you. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:05.600 Prompt number three Rosie For people who don't care about art, 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.080 how do you pretend to care about art? What is 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:13.000 something you can say about a piece of art that 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.000 you don't care about that will make the person you 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.560 are standing with think this person really knows art? 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.399 Okay, just say like a long word to be Like. 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:23.760 I've gone to many gallery openings when I was a 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.040 teenager in London. They would have them all the time, 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:27.639 and we would just go in them and just rinse 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:30.520 all the free drinks, like just trek every glass of wine, 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:33.200 and a lot of times they want kind of scrubby 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.240 looking kids in there because they feel like it makes 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:39.080 it feel like, it makes it street, it makes it authentic, 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.880 like they're they're gentrifying the neighborhood with a gallery. Let's 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:43.800 let some kids in. So we've been doing all the word. 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:45.520 So here are some great lines. This is the kind 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:46.920 of shit you hear when you go to these things. 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.000 If you're not sure what to say, just look at 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:51.600 and be like, oh, it's so esoteric. 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:52.960 Oh I like that. 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.800 You can also be like, yeah, this one's really existential, 0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.600 just like put a long word if it begins with 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.679 an e, you know, something like that. Or if you 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:04.879 want to be like if you're trying to impress Lucas 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:06.880 Matts and I'd just go around and be like, oh, 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:09.959 this is a little terrible. This is shit, Yeah exactly, 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:12.200 but you don't like it, like you know so much 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.200 about that, this awe is terrible, right, I'd be like. 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.080 Let me try it. I'm standing next to Lucas. This 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.760 one's shit. This one's shit, also shit, this one is 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:22.840 powerfully erotic. 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.280 Yes, that's perfect. This is like Lucas would hire you 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:30.159 as CEO. Goodbye, Tom. That's like he'd be like, Okay, 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:32.800 his ten million dollars, buy me a piece of art, 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:35.720