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Speaker 1: It's the finale of Marcot Moves. Yes, oh, folks, what
Speaker 1: a show. What a finale? What an ascendance by Thomas
Speaker 1: the Quizzling whams Gans. Let's get into it. We start
Speaker 1: on deal Day, New York City. Ken arrives at waste
Speaker 1: oar HQ. He's dapping up the crew. He's saying hi
Speaker 1: to everybody. Hey, Hey, Corpy the DM everybody. Uh enter Telly, Telly,
Speaker 1: who I love, has entered into our lives kind of
Speaker 1: late in the life of the series. But Telly is
Speaker 1: and every organization needs a Telly. Telly is the person
Speaker 1: who's actually good at their job. But the powers that
Speaker 1: keep Telly hidden away, like in a closet somewhere, and
Speaker 1: you only really break Telly out when you need him,
Speaker 1: but you do it privately, so nobody knows that Telly
Speaker 1: is actually the one who knows.
Speaker 2: Shit, Jason, are you saying they stashed Telly so nobody
Speaker 2: saw the tapes. They keep him away.
Speaker 1: That's really what happened. So Ken walks in, and Telly
Speaker 1: as the truth teller, and the guy who sees clearly
Speaker 1: immediately briefs Ken on what's going on with Stewie. He
Speaker 1: just got off the phone with Stewie's guy, and Stuwie
Speaker 1: is they don't have Stewie, and Ken is like what who? What?
Speaker 1: He pulls himself together and he says, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: get Stewie on board. I'll just get a phone called
Speaker 1: with Stewie and this is a play and this is
Speaker 1: just a smoke screen, and I can get Stewie. And
Speaker 1: if I don't get Stewie, there's like a couple. I
Speaker 1: have some backups in mind, so we have a path
Speaker 1: to getting the votes. And then Telly is like, okay,
Speaker 1: but like your votes include Roman and where is Roman?
Speaker 1: No one's seen Roman, nobody's heard from Roman and Roman
Speaker 1: and Ken is like, don't worry. I got Roman. I
Speaker 1: don't know where Roman is, but I got him. I
Speaker 1: have his votes. I got him. It doesn't matter. I
Speaker 1: don't know where he is. We go to Lucas HQ
Speaker 1: where Shiv is telling Lucas the stewing news that Ken
Speaker 1: doesn't have STEWI anymore, and she rattles off a straw pole.
Speaker 1: She's got it all. Listen, Kelly does it in his head.
Speaker 1: Shiv needs a little piece of paper, but that's okay,
Speaker 1: and she rattles it off, and she's like, listen, you
Speaker 1: can cut the pizza any way you want, but the
Speaker 1: pie is all yours, Lucas, It's all go Joe baby,
Speaker 1: It's in the fucking bag. And also not that I
Speaker 1: care about it, Luke, but you know, Tom remember whatever
Speaker 1: you know, Like, whichever way you want to go with that,
Speaker 1: I'm good. And Lucas is like, listen, I've had a
Speaker 1: few vibe checks with Tom. Uh and you know, what
Speaker 1: do you think? What do you think? And Shiv is like, well, uh,
Speaker 1: and I quote, he's very competent, but if he irks
Speaker 1: you or if it's complicated, it is okay. He is
Speaker 1: very plausible corporate matter, but he's also just a highly interchangeable,
Speaker 1: modular part. And I would say that to his faith.
Speaker 2: She would, she definitely would say that, this absolutely fucking would.
Speaker 1: And she, you know, she lets Lucas know in closing
Speaker 1: that Tom will suck the biggest dick in the room.
Speaker 1: So let me ask prompt number one. Is that the
Speaker 1: nicest thing that Shiv has ever said about Tom, that
Speaker 1: he will suck the best.
Speaker 2: You know what, I will say, I believe in this
Speaker 2: moment it is probably the best thing she's ever done Tom,
Speaker 2: because I think this is the most important line in
Speaker 2: all of succession, which is fantastic. And I think this
Speaker 2: is the moment that Lucas Mattson knows Thomas his guy.
Speaker 2: Because you know what, HIV can say that to Tom's face.
Speaker 2: Tom would probably agree and add some flowery language about
Speaker 2: how good he would be at sucking the biggest dick.
Speaker 2: But if Chiv would never say that about herself. HIV
Speaker 2: does not see herself that way, and that is what
Speaker 2: Lucas needs. So this is Shiv's greatest gift to great
Speaker 2: It's a great.
Speaker 1: Call, and it leads us into our next prompt, which
Speaker 1: we will get to shortly. But I think you're right
Speaker 1: Number one. Shiv would say this and much worse to
Speaker 1: Tom's faith. She'd say She's said lots of truly, truly
Speaker 1: awful things over the course of this series too directly
Speaker 1: to Tom's visage, including as I love to point out,
Speaker 1: asking him on his wedding night if they could have
Speaker 1: an ophoop marriage. Uh, and I agree with you. Clearly,
Speaker 1: Lucas wants a quizzling, wants a puppet. Does not want
Speaker 1: anybody with their own thoughts, who will voice their own thoughts,
Speaker 1: who will even seem as if they're voicing their own thoughts.
Speaker 1: He wants a pure cutout. And and Shiv letting Lucas
Speaker 1: know that Tom will drop to his knees at the
Speaker 1: snap of a finger, lets Lucas know that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Tom is the guy. Shiv takes a call from
Speaker 1: her mom, Lady Caroline, the wonderful Lady Caroline coming in
Speaker 1: a hot coming in absolute like star fucking power, unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 1: So from this and we learned that Roman has gone
Speaker 1: to ground at Mummy's house in Barbados, wonderful, wonderful little
Speaker 1: little getaway place. Although Lady Caroline is you know, let's
Speaker 1: know the need of the house. Obviously it's still leaking.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a ship box. No, it's a beautiful mansion.
Speaker 1: Shiv tells Lucas. Okay, I have a location on Roman.
Speaker 1: He's with my mom. I'm going there to get him
Speaker 1: because we need to have you know, we get Let's
Speaker 1: get as many of the Roys on side as we
Speaker 1: can so this thing isn't perceived as quote Lady Macbeth
Speaker 1: Part two, which brings us to a prompt number two.
Speaker 1: So we see in this scene that Lucas is a
Speaker 1: little There is a vanity I think vanity fair piece
Speaker 1: about Lucas, and the art is an illustration of Shiv
Speaker 1: holding matts and strings making him dance to the tune,
Speaker 1: so that Matson is the puppet, not Shiv. And clearly
Speaker 1: this profile is is wondering you know who is really
Speaker 1: running things at Gojo, And here is Shiv showing at
Speaker 1: least that she has some awareness of that perception being
Speaker 1: out there saying, you know, I don't want this to
Speaker 1: look like Lady Macbeth part two. And we can get
Speaker 1: another if we get to the roy if we get
Speaker 1: Roman on side. Now it looks like there's two Roys
Speaker 1: holding Lucas's strings and it's not just me being not
Speaker 1: So this leads us to our Shiv comes from the
Speaker 1: political world, communications in politics. How did she fuck this up?
Speaker 1: How did she You know, if it was Ken Even
Speaker 1: or certainly her dad or any other of the power
Speaker 1: players here, they'd be on the phone to their version
Speaker 1: of Hugo or Carolina and they'd be like, Okay, here's
Speaker 1: this profiles coming. Make sure it makes me look like
Speaker 1: the puppet, not Lucas. I'm the puppet. How did she
Speaker 1: fuck this up?
Speaker 2: So the headline is really interesting because it says like,
Speaker 2: is Lucas Madison taking over the world, but then it
Speaker 2: has the puppet sh shift puppeteerium. I actually think this
Speaker 2: is Shiv's own arrogance. I think Shiv and Kelly have
Speaker 2: the same problem, which is they have so much self belief.
Speaker 2: Schiv says something really interesting late in this episode where
Speaker 2: she says like Mason believes in me, and it's like
Speaker 2: she truly believes. She's like, well, this is just like
Speaker 2: a funny image like and also it wouldn't be so
Speaker 2: terrible if there was one bit of information that did
Speaker 2: look like I was the one was puppeteering him, even
Speaker 2: if it's just like a joke. I want people to
Speaker 2: know that I'm a partner in this. And there's this
Speaker 2: kind of like sparring ground look Shiv's biggest mistake throughout
Speaker 2: all of this. As much as it has been absolutely
Speaker 2: joyful to watch her stab her brother's love act, I
Speaker 2: love it. She knew Madison was an abuser. She knows
Speaker 2: he hates women, He makes Holocaust jokes. He is not
Speaker 2: a person you can trust, and he's also not a
Speaker 2: person who's ego you can ever stop stroking. And I
Speaker 2: think it is that, like you said, Schiv fucked this
Speaker 2: up because it's that duality of that, it's not a
Speaker 2: coincidence he's reading that piece and she says that line
Speaker 2: about Tom and then he makes that choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think if there was, if it was if the
Speaker 2: image had been the other way around, if it had
Speaker 2: been him puppeteering her this kind of weird, you know, caricature,
Speaker 2: he might have been more amenable to her being the puppet.
Speaker 2: But I think, really it was never gonna happen because
Speaker 2: she's a woman.
Speaker 1: Uh, I got the other way. I think it might
Speaker 1: have happened. I certainly. Uh. The things that Lucas says
Speaker 1: about Shov later lead me to believe that, you know,
Speaker 1: he was pushing boundaries, and I think, you know, given
Speaker 1: the right circumstances, he'd love to have Shiv working for
Speaker 1: him to push those boundaries, you know, wherever he felt
Speaker 1: like it. But I also feel like, when you're right,
Speaker 1: this is Shiv's arrogance, she said. She says, as Lucas
Speaker 1: is looking at the piece, Oh, do you want me
Speaker 1: to call the reporter, She's the reporter on speed dial.
Speaker 1: She probably sourced for him and probably told that. She
Speaker 1: probably probably approved the oddest she probably said. And by
Speaker 1: the way, just you know, on background, like I am, like,
Speaker 1: I'm a partner and all this stuff. So I think this,
Speaker 1: you're right, This was her arrogance. This was her wanting
Speaker 1: to signal like, hey, I'm I'm a player. I'm also
Speaker 1: a player, and I think it fucked her up. But
Speaker 1: I do think that there was a world in which
Speaker 1: Shiv acts supine enough and spineless enough and is on
Speaker 1: top of this kind of messaging. You know it, you know,
Speaker 1: is communicating and broadcasting to everyone who will listen. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's Lucas running things. It's Lucas running things. I'm just
Speaker 1: he just wants me here like as a as a flag,
Speaker 1: a roy flag. And also because I have the the
Speaker 1: you know, the next in line roy baby in my belly.
Speaker 1: I think that I think there's a world in which
Speaker 1: Lucas would have gone for it.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I actually think that shows how
Speaker 2: naive Shiv was in this situation, because actually that's a
Speaker 2: very easy pr message, and she could have even like
Speaker 2: if she could have just gotten over this need to
Speaker 2: be like her brothers, she could have just even acted
Speaker 2: that way to Matson in the room. She's always coming
Speaker 2: in trying to talk about like numbers and like her
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know what, one ship, you don't
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. None of you do. You're
Speaker 2: none of you are serious people. That's the realist thing,
Speaker 2: Logan said. Logan was right, ding ding ding ring the bell.
Speaker 2: But also like you could have just played him. Mattson
Speaker 2: is also not a serious person. Like you could have
Speaker 2: played the subservient woman who's just gonna do whatever he says,
Speaker 2: and then actually gotten your power from just the fact
Speaker 2: that he really wouldn't have known what was going on
Speaker 2: outside of his little fancy in his head. But instead
Speaker 2: she wanted to play the big balls, you know, tough
Speaker 2: girl boss situation, and as we know, there never goes well.
Speaker 1: It does not go well. Shiv then calls Tom, and
Speaker 1: she has an interesting proposition. She says, Hey, wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be great, Uh, you know, if you were so Ameniambal
Speaker 1: to continue like maybe living this very very toxic lie
Speaker 1: of ours, wouldn't that be convenient? You know, we can
Speaker 1: lock it down right now, we can it back down
Speaker 1: and start living his husband and wife again. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're into that, what do you think?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: What do you say? What's up? This is probably the
Speaker 1: smartest thing that Shiv has done in this entire series,
Speaker 1: because I think this is the thing that gives her
Speaker 1: the out that we see the end of the episode
Speaker 1: and Tom says he doesn't know.
Speaker 2: I totally agree. Okay, mini prompt. Do you think Shiv
Speaker 2: means it? Because there is a line where she says
Speaker 2: to him, you know, we've already said the worst things
Speaker 2: you can ever say to each other, so like we're
Speaker 2: basically starting here knowing the worst things about each other.
Speaker 2: That to me actually sounds like there is at least
Speaker 2: five percent of her who's like, oh, maybe this could
Speaker 2: be the least terrible option for me, rather than just
Speaker 2: like it being kind of a pretense, I think there
Speaker 2: is a tiny piece of her that sees some kind
Speaker 2: of safety net in Tom emotionally or something. I think
Speaker 2: there's like a sparkle that that this isn't just a pretense.
Speaker 2: I think there's something in there where Sheiv knows like
Speaker 2: she's a horrible person, but here's somebody who knows that
Speaker 2: too and accepts.
Speaker 1: Uh. I think that there is that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: that very it's that thing from that maybe people have
Speaker 1: experienced in toxic and or codependent relationships where it's bad,
Speaker 1: but the badness is kind of all you know, yes,
Speaker 1: and you're comfortable with the badness. I think there is
Speaker 1: something to that. I also think it's a I think
Speaker 1: it's a power move from Shiv as well, in which
Speaker 1: she is kind of, you know, just as she was
Speaker 1: saying to Lucas, like, let's project a unified from continuity.
Speaker 1: We get the Roys on side. It looks good. I
Speaker 1: think from her perspective, it's going to be me. I'm CEO.
Speaker 1: I bring my husband along. He's subservient to me.
Speaker 2: We have a child with the roy We have.
Speaker 1: A child with the roy name. It looks great. The
Speaker 1: Roys are continuing to run waste and it burnishes my reputation.
Speaker 1: As you know, the big Boss lady, and I think
Speaker 1: it looks good, and I think that's the play.
Speaker 2: Play five, like maybe an inkling of something real deep down.
Speaker 1: I think she thinks she's saving Tom. Yes she does
Speaker 1: at this point in time.
Speaker 2: Oh the irony.
Speaker 1: Greg, who has overheard this phone call, immediately scampers off
Speaker 1: to Ken's camp with the news of Romans location. Ken
Speaker 1: then calls Mon and confirms, and he tells his his
Speaker 1: a new assistant, New Jests, who he refers to as
Speaker 1: new Jess.
Speaker 2: Good for Jess, I'm glad she just called the funk
Speaker 2: out of that. He doesn't even know. He doesn't my name.
Speaker 1: Nud Jess, Nu Jess, he tells New Jess. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: book me on the book me on the on our
Speaker 1: fastest private jet to the career. Shive arrives first in
Speaker 1: Barbados to find Roman with fresh stitches over his brow.
Speaker 1: Ken then follows as When Ken is pulling in, he
Speaker 1: finally gets in touch with Stewie, who basically assures him like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all good, we got it. Ken and Shive then
Speaker 1: spar on which side Roman is on in front of Roman,
Speaker 1: and Roman is like, you know, waffling back and forth.
Speaker 1: Ken is losing his mind over it. Shiv then like
Speaker 1: absolutely rubs her assumed victory. And this is pure Shiv.
Speaker 1: She thinks she's won. It's not even the game hasn't
Speaker 1: even started. There's no time. Yeah, she's got it fucking sewn.
Speaker 2: I wan and you guys are foxed and you just
Speaker 2: need to accept it and celebrate me for fucking once.
Speaker 1: She does like the Allen iverson fucking step over of
Speaker 1: Ken and it is it's almost you can see this
Speaker 1: everything that happens in Barbados, including this kind of beginning.
Speaker 1: And this is what's so great about this show is
Speaker 1: that you can really feel this cycle of the siblings
Speaker 1: come together. Yeah, one of them, one or several of
Speaker 1: them think they've won whatever the thing is. Now they're
Speaker 1: bickering and rubbing in each other's face. Then they have
Speaker 1: a big blow up, then they come together, and then
Speaker 1: it all falls apart, starting to cycle again. Like this cycle,
Speaker 1: you just can feel that it has taken place multiple times,
Speaker 1: over multiple things, over the course of their lives.
Speaker 2: You know what. It's such it's such brilliant writing because
Speaker 2: in that moment, even though like Shiv is making so
Speaker 2: many bad choices throughout this show, when she says to Kendle,
Speaker 2: she's like, I won, Like, can't you just be happy
Speaker 2: for me one time? Like you just celebrate me. I
Speaker 2: actually was like, yeah, fucking yeah, because you know what,
Speaker 2: they never do. Like, even though I knew it was
Speaker 2: going to be a short lived victory for her, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what, for once, she was the one who
Speaker 2: managed to fuck you guys over, and it seems like
Speaker 2: most of her life that has not been she has
Speaker 2: not been the winning party, you know. But you're right,
Speaker 2: that cycle of seeing them and that unbelievable closeness that
Speaker 2: we get when they come together, and then it's it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's the cycle of it's the promise, the betrayal,
Speaker 2: the promise, the betrayal, the promise, the betrayal. That's and
Speaker 2: it was started by their dad.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you about that. It would be
Speaker 1: wonderful if the Roys were less toxic than they are
Speaker 1: and yeah, and less uh, you know, traumatized, because clearly
Speaker 1: Shiv must have done things over the course of her
Speaker 1: life that would and should garner praise from her brothers.
Speaker 1: At the same time, I look at this and I'm like, man, Shiv,
Speaker 1: you actually have to win first, and that's it. That's
Speaker 1: my deal with it.
Speaker 2: My favorite thing about this episode is that they managed
Speaker 2: to balance these moments where you're just so invested in
Speaker 2: the characters while also always reminding you, like, these are
Speaker 2: terrible people and they're fucking idiots, Like they're really really
Speaker 2: stupid and arrogant, and that is going to be their downfall,
Speaker 2: and even that downfall comes with a cushion of billions
Speaker 2: of dollars.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a moment because I can't
Speaker 1: I really can't wait to talk about that. X Ray
Speaker 1: Vision will be back, and we're back. Tom and Gregor
Speaker 1: are at a gallery opening with Lucas. Lucas has been
Speaker 1: dragging both of them around, doing this kind of like
Speaker 1: open ended vibe check that you know, it's unclear that
Speaker 1: Tom and Greg really know that's what it is, but
Speaker 1: he's been keeping them close. Tom really can't figure out
Speaker 1: how to talk about art. I forget the line, what
Speaker 1: does he say? The colors really go well? And then
Speaker 1: Lucas walks away and he goes over to Greg and
Speaker 1: basically rakes Greg over the colls for not jumping in
Speaker 1: to save like a lumpy conversation and letting him say, like,
Speaker 1: I guess the colors go well, like does that what
Speaker 1: even work? Is that good? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think. Greg's like, shouldn't you have said together? And
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, the colors go, well, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Tom is like, listen, you need to figure it out
Speaker 1: because like you're fucked, like Lucas hates you, like he's
Speaker 1: gonna cut off your fucking head and fucking cut off
Speaker 1: your dick and you're done, Like you're gonna be making
Speaker 1: like no money. You're gonna be making like forty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a year. And Greg's like, actually he likes me,
Speaker 1: and Tom is like, no, he fucking does not like you.
Speaker 1: Prompt number three Rosie For people who don't care about art,
Speaker 1: how do you pretend to care about art? What is
Speaker 1: something you can say about a piece of art that
Speaker 1: you don't care about that will make the person you
Speaker 1: are standing with think this person really knows art?
Speaker 2: Okay, just say like a long word to be Like.
Speaker 2: I've gone to many gallery openings when I was a
Speaker 2: teenager in London. They would have them all the time,
Speaker 2: and we would just go in them and just rinse
Speaker 2: all the free drinks, like just trek every glass of wine,
Speaker 2: and a lot of times they want kind of scrubby
Speaker 2: looking kids in there because they feel like it makes
Speaker 2: it feel like, it makes it street, it makes it authentic,
Speaker 2: like they're they're gentrifying the neighborhood with a gallery. Let's
Speaker 2: let some kids in. So we've been doing all the word.
Speaker 2: So here are some great lines. This is the kind
Speaker 2: of shit you hear when you go to these things.
Speaker 2: If you're not sure what to say, just look at
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, it's so esoteric.
Speaker 1: Oh I like that.
Speaker 2: You can also be like, yeah, this one's really existential,
Speaker 2: just like put a long word if it begins with
Speaker 2: an e, you know, something like that. Or if you
Speaker 2: want to be like if you're trying to impress Lucas
Speaker 2: Matts and I'd just go around and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is a little terrible. This is shit, Yeah exactly,
Speaker 2: but you don't like it, like you know so much
Speaker 2: about that, this awe is terrible, right, I'd be like.
Speaker 1: Let me try it. I'm standing next to Lucas. This
Speaker 1: one's shit. This one's shit, also shit, this one is
Speaker 1: powerfully erotic.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's perfect. This is like Lucas would hire you
Speaker 2: as CEO. Goodbye, Tom. That's like he'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: his ten million dollars, buy me a piece of art,
Speaker 2: powerfully erotic art.
Speaker 1: The siblings come back together at Sunset and Barbados, and
Speaker 1: here is really where I'm like, oh you can you
Speaker 1: know whatever they were arguing about, the cars, the toys,
Speaker 1: their toys, video games, whatever it was that they argued
Speaker 1: about his kids. You can see how this exact cycle
Speaker 1: played out over the course of their lives. They argue,
Speaker 1: and now they come back together somewhere on the veranda
Speaker 1: at the out and the you know, and in the
Speaker 1: woods on the edge of the property and smoking weed
Speaker 1: or having drinks, and now they're coming back together. So
Speaker 1: this is what they're doing at Sunset. They've joined back
Speaker 1: together to try and figure out how to take control
Speaker 1: of the family legacy. But it starts with Shiv once again.
Speaker 1: She's one. She wants to let them know that she
Speaker 1: has won, and that she knows she has won, and
Speaker 1: she wants them to just accept it, get used to it,
Speaker 1: like admit I want I beat you and just deal
Speaker 1: with it. Back with Lucas and Tom, they're having dinner,
Speaker 1: making some small talk. Lucas doesn't like the Xerox Bronzino
Speaker 1: of the life.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this is why you say things as shit,
Speaker 2: because most people like that don't like things or don't
Speaker 2: want you to know that you like things. Tom compliments
Speaker 2: the food, but Lucas hates it. If Tom had come
Speaker 2: out with the I hate the food, he might have
Speaker 2: gotten a little PowerPoint. But instead he proves exactly what
Speaker 2: Lucas wants because as soon as Lucas said it's bad,
Speaker 2: Tom's like, yeah, we might have been ill advised.
Speaker 1: This was yeah, And then he's like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: fucking kill Greg. Like Greg is dead, I'll Greg. She
Speaker 1: just like instinctively is like, let me fucking kick Greg.
Speaker 2: And then a little bit because Greg, because.
Speaker 1: Whatever Greg did, he did it poorly and we need
Speaker 1: to figure this out. Uh. Lucas then says, okay, Tom,
Speaker 1: you pitch yourself. Pitch yourself as the guy, pitch yourself
Speaker 1: as CEO. Tom says, listen, you know, I'll keep it simple,
Speaker 1: low costs, high margins. I will, you know, eat any
Speaker 1: kind of shit that needs eating, day or night, anytime
Speaker 1: of day that ship needs eating, I'll eat the ship.
Speaker 1: Look at what I did for cruises that was a big,
Speaker 1: huge pile of shit sandwiches, and I fucking ate it.
Speaker 1: Also not mentioned in this conversation, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: mention it for him. I you know, Tom was willing
Speaker 1: to go to prison. He wasn't happy about it.
Speaker 2: He didn't like it. He was gonna do it.
Speaker 1: He was gonna eat that particular fece sandwich.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then you know, he's happy to fire anybody anytime.
Speaker 1: Like he will cut heads off and scoop out eyeballs
Speaker 1: in his own words, he will make Greg do that.
Speaker 1: But still, anybody that needs firing, he will fire. And
Speaker 1: then Lucas is like, what about on a hang level,
Speaker 1: you know? And then Tom was like, Man, I'm grinder.
Speaker 1: I grind because I worry. I worry about, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: my career. I worry about my personal well being. I
Speaker 1: worry about everything, and that keeps me up at night.
Speaker 1: That makes me means I'm working all the time, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be worried about your interest. And I think
Speaker 1: this was very I think this was very convincing for Lucas,
Speaker 1: the way that Tom is completely and totally subservient and
Speaker 1: not just that, but I heard in the Official Succession
Speaker 1: pod sarsguard said that he in his mind Lucas noticed
Speaker 1: that Tom wasn't at the funeral and he was working,
Speaker 1: and he said, Aha, that just works. Yeah, he just
Speaker 1: will work for me.
Speaker 2: I think it's also like incredibly honest in a show
Speaker 2: where everybody lies. Tom's life has been absolutely fucking ruined
Speaker 2: by his job, by his anxiety, by working for ATM,
Speaker 2: by being with Shiv, Like everything he does makes his
Speaker 2: life worse, and he will just keep doing it in
Speaker 2: this pursuit of nice things, of wealth, of security, of status.
Speaker 2: And I think that is very appealing to Lucas because
Speaker 2: that's exactly what he wants. And he sees that Tom
Speaker 2: is already someone who's in a deep amount of pain
Speaker 2: and personal turmoil, and that's great because that's exactly what
Speaker 2: Lucas wants. Lucas wants a pain sponge.
Speaker 1: He sees that turmoil. I love that term pain sponge
Speaker 1: so good. Lucas sees that turmoil, he sees the subservience
Speaker 1: of Tom, and he says, Okay, let's see how.
Speaker 2: Yes, how.
Speaker 1: See how just how badly you want to lay on
Speaker 1: my lap lap dog. Here's my concerns with your wife, Chivroy,
Speaker 1: My concerns about her are number one on a just
Speaker 1: business level. She has too many ideas. I don't need that.
Speaker 1: I have my own ideas. My mind's going way too fast.
Speaker 1: In fact, I probably have some sort of add kind
Speaker 1: of underlying issue, and I don't need somebody coming in
Speaker 1: and kind of like mucking up what is already chaotic
Speaker 1: thought process. I need somebody who's just gonna execute and
Speaker 1: follow orders. And then also, you know there's this thing
Speaker 1: where like I kind of want to fuck your wife,
Speaker 1: and you know I've already done that with Ebba.
Speaker 2: And I think your wife would fuck me. That's why
Speaker 2: I think you're like and I think she would fuck.
Speaker 1: Me under the right circumstances. I really think your wife
Speaker 1: would also fuck me. Sorry if this is weird, by
Speaker 1: the way, and to which Tom replies, no, no, no, no, men,
Speaker 1: we're both men.
Speaker 2: That's when he senses the job. That's it. He absolutely
Speaker 2: the moment that the job is his.
Speaker 1: He ties the fucking ball on it right there, and
Speaker 1: Lucas says, you know, we get messy if I fucked
Speaker 1: your wife and again she wants it. Uh, And so
Speaker 1: I thought, why not get the guy who put the
Speaker 1: baby and the baby lady.
Speaker 2: Lucas Madson the world's biggest misogynist, just like unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Next prompt, what the fuck does that mean? Can this
Speaker 1: play that one to me? Okay, so what does that mean?
Speaker 2: I think that Madson is like an old school like
Speaker 2: piece of shit misogynist, Like he is like, well, a
Speaker 2: woman doesn't get pregnant, a man gets her pregnant, right right,
Speaker 2: And rather than me hiring a woman who is stupid
Speaker 2: enough to get pregnant, like why don't I hire the
Speaker 2: guy who was clever enough to get her pregnant? Like
Speaker 2: he's I think this whole like why move by you? Good?
Speaker 2: Move by you?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I mean, And I think the real truth is like
Speaker 2: in that moment he's going off, Tom's like we're men line,
Speaker 2: But the real truth is he just wants Tom because
Speaker 2: Tom's gonna do what he wants and be his pain
Speaker 2: sponge and he hates women. But I like the way
Speaker 2: he tries to explain it, where he's like, why not
Speaker 2: get the guy who but the baby and the baby lady?
Speaker 2: Even Tom, I feel like it's just like what the
Speaker 2: fuck are you talking about? But I'll take it. I
Speaker 2: also just want to say the moment when Tom does not,
Speaker 2: I feel like Tom really When Madson says pitch me,
Speaker 2: Tom thinks he's pitching to stay in the company after
Speaker 2: the merger. He has no idea. So when Matson says
Speaker 2: that to him, Tom's reaction is just like.
Speaker 1: So fucking good.
Speaker 2: He's saw it coming, even less than anybody watching the show.
Speaker 1: A little me just I just need to push back lately,
Speaker 1: like all Lucas did is refer to this man's wife
Speaker 1: to his face in a very coarse, sexually just normal
Speaker 1: business situation. And yeah, he sent you know, potentially gallons
Speaker 1: of his own frozen bodily fluids to uh, you know,
Speaker 1: one of his underlings. But does that make him a misogynist?
Speaker 2: Actually?
Speaker 1: Has he agree? Maybe he's just a very generous with
Speaker 1: his with his frozen blood.
Speaker 2: Do you. I don't understand how strong you have to
Speaker 2: be as a man to be able to give up
Speaker 2: so many gallons of blood. So I think they make
Speaker 2: a good point. I think, you know, some people may
Speaker 2: call him a misogynist, and you know, maybe being an
Speaker 2: old school misogynist is not even a bad thing. You know,
Speaker 2: if you you hate people who have babies, cool, like,
Speaker 2: maybe that's working good for you. He seems rich. I mean,
Speaker 2: it must be going quite well. But I think I
Speaker 2: think you were right to call me in on that one.
Speaker 1: I look at Lucas and I think, where does all
Speaker 1: the blood come from? How does he have?
Speaker 2: So if you have so much blood, I need to
Speaker 2: be a secret.
Speaker 1: He must be different than me. He must be a
Speaker 1: best of species. He must be better somehow, because that
Speaker 1: man just is pumping out blood. But but and I've
Speaker 1: just got a meager, regular humans amount of blood. That
Speaker 1: is a superman over there. That's what I think what
Speaker 1: I look at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Greg then conveys, uh, this lightning bolt to Ken, that
Speaker 1: shive is out and that Lucas is looking at somebody else. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he does so with a promise, trying by trying
Speaker 1: to extract a promise from Ken that they could quat
Speaker 1: it up? Could he meaning add Greg to the three?
Speaker 1: And now it's four and we're quatting it up.
Speaker 2: I just want to say Greg's tried that I have
Speaker 2: a secret thing too many times.
Speaker 1: This isn't the second.
Speaker 2: Also, I do want to point out here Tom I
Speaker 2: feel is actually going to be very successful in his
Speaker 2: new role, because when Greg comes to ask him what happened.
Speaker 2: Tom does not tell Greg. Tom has realized that Greg
Speaker 2: is a loose link, sink ships kind of guy, like
Speaker 2: here is the weakest link. He's gonna try and betray you.
Speaker 2: And that's just how it is. So Tom doesn't tell
Speaker 2: him and leaves it vague. But Greg, proving his worth
Speaker 2: in the corporate backstabbing space, uses a phone translator to
Speaker 2: listen in to the Swedish people's conversations and that's how
Speaker 2: he finds out. But Tom assumes that he somehow gleaned
Speaker 2: it from their conversation and is unhappy. But I want
Speaker 2: to just say, Tom, he's learning the lesson. In the
Speaker 2: old days, he would have told Greg. They would have celebrated,
Speaker 2: they would have done little disgusting brothers dance. They would
Speaker 2: have probably like done some weird masochistic fighting, which actually
Speaker 2: they get to later, but it is. I was very impressed.
Speaker 2: I thought, Wow, Tom, he's coming up as CEO, Like
Speaker 2: he understands now, this is like this is serious.
Speaker 1: Well, he Tom, I think, understands that just as he
Speaker 1: is Lucas's paint spongeg Greg is haint sponge. Greg is
Speaker 1: his pain sponge. Greg is is the man who you
Speaker 1: can uh who you can use as a foot rest
Speaker 1: in your office. Greg is the man that you can
Speaker 1: tell he's the crimes. And though he will eventually rat
Speaker 1: you out because of the crimes, that's a known quantity.
Speaker 1: There's no surprises with Greg. Greg's a fucking rat. Greg
Speaker 1: will rat to whoever he feels like he needs to
Speaker 1: rat to. And once you know that, Greg is very
Speaker 1: very predictable, I'm quite useful, quite useful, quite quite useful.
Speaker 1: It turns out, we go back to Barbados, where uh
Speaker 1: things are happening. The siblings are coming together under the
Speaker 1: idea that Ken is going to be the guy. And
Speaker 1: here how it starts. First, uh Ken basically tells Shiv
Speaker 1: after learning the news from Greg, that hey, you're out
Speaker 1: like Matson's looking for somebody else. It might be Lawrence Yee,
Speaker 1: a vaulter, it might be somebody else in the business. Chops,
Speaker 1: I don't know they're looking at somebody else. So why
Speaker 1: don't you, you know, call somebody like figure it out,
Speaker 1: like you know, just confirm it. If don't take my
Speaker 1: word for it, going confirm it and Shiv goes. She
Speaker 1: gets a copy of the CEO press release and finds
Speaker 1: that her name has been crossed out. There's just exes,
Speaker 1: like a t K T K place holding exes, and
Speaker 1: she knows it's real. From there, uh, Ken goes swimming
Speaker 1: after making the pitch for hold on your seats everybody,
Speaker 1: Ken makes the pitch for himself. I know this is
Speaker 1: I know, huge twist, huge twist. Shiv and Rome joke
Speaker 1: very casually about murder and Ken. I mean, they could
Speaker 1: have done it right there in the waves, just trying.
Speaker 2: There's I think there's a momentary truth that they both
Speaker 2: consider in that silence, and I wouldn't have been surprised
Speaker 2: to see it that go that way. Honestly, they probably
Speaker 2: would have been better off. Kendall fucking sucks.
Speaker 1: I think terrible. I think if Ken slipped into the
Speaker 1: off that little floaty platform and into the waves and
Speaker 1: was struggling and saying, hey, help me, I have a cramp,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't. I think they would. They might move
Speaker 1: towards him with a slowness that would allow him to drown.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: But they neither of them are brave enough to actually kill.
Speaker 1: Which is why I think Ken should be the CEO,
Speaker 1: because Ken can do it. We know that Ken can
Speaker 1: take a lot.
Speaker 2: You know what, he's really good. He's really good at
Speaker 2: delivering a pitch. I can't wait to see him pitch
Speaker 2: this to the board.
Speaker 1: Yes. After that, they go to the kitchen, where Shiv
Speaker 1: and Roman decide, Okay, well, Ken, you are the king,
Speaker 1: and so we're going to play this childhood game that
Speaker 1: clearly they had been playing meal Fit for a King,
Speaker 1: where they just take all the stuff from the kitchen
Speaker 1: and put it in a blender and blend it up
Speaker 1: and make the king drink it.
Speaker 2: Another classic succession moment here where everything you learn about
Speaker 2: their childhood is horrific. Bite a game they played in
Speaker 2: their childhood Fit for a King where you just make
Speaker 2: people drink disgusting things. Everything is about humiliation and brutality
Speaker 2: and cruelty. But this is also one of the most
Speaker 2: heartwarming scenes in the show. It is, which is just incredible.
Speaker 1: Because it's just wonderful to see them all getting along
Speaker 1: as Klee.
Speaker 2: Kyt siblings in that moment, like there's no question that
Speaker 2: these are brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: Roman licks Peter's special cheese.
Speaker 2: Oh no, Daddy, don't lick my cheese. Perfect one of
Speaker 2: the best Roman moments in the Hall show.
Speaker 1: Uh Roman then pours the Fit for a King potion
Speaker 1: over Ken's head and the three of them leave Barbados
Speaker 1: together a unified, powerful voting block. And you can tell
Speaker 1: that they are together and they are unified because they
Speaker 1: arrive at the airport and they're talking strategy. You do this,
Speaker 1: and I'll talk to this person.
Speaker 2: And here they're wearing matching black outfit.
Speaker 1: Matching black outfits. And then they get into three different
Speaker 1: cars to go to the same location. What what what that?
Speaker 2: What they tail?
Speaker 1: That detail is perfect.
Speaker 2: But also I also it's definitely it's a big time
Speaker 2: pound if you never never share a cab. Thank you. Yes.
Speaker 1: If I'm a If I'm in a car with you,
Speaker 1: whose car is who riding it? No one knows. If
Speaker 1: I'm in my car, right, who's driver is this?
Speaker 2: Whose driver is that? My driver? Is that my driver?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: If you're the.
Speaker 1: Driver, pull over, I need to I need to just
Speaker 1: take a shit in the middle of the street. Who
Speaker 1: is that driver? Listen?
Speaker 2: You are going to listen to you. That's why they're
Speaker 2: going to listen to you.
Speaker 1: And that's why you always have to ride in separate cars.
Speaker 2: They have some really great moments like that in the show.
Speaker 2: There's a brilliant interview right now with one of the
Speaker 2: writers of Succession that's at The Guardian. It's like it's
Speaker 2: not an interview, actually's a think piece that she wrote
Speaker 2: about how the story of making Succession And one of
Speaker 2: the things she talks about is that they had a
Speaker 2: consultant for how billionaires behave And one of the things
Speaker 2: she pointed out is she said, their shoes only ever
Speaker 2: touch carpet. So wherever they go, they go from the
Speaker 2: car to the you know, airfield, there's a red carpet.
Speaker 2: They go to the house, there's a carpet. Their shoes
Speaker 2: never touched the ground. That was like blowing my mind
Speaker 2: because when you watch it and you watch moments like this,
Speaker 2: you see that it's true.
Speaker 1: There they don't have coats.
Speaker 2: They don't have coats, that's a big one. They don't
Speaker 2: wear coats. They never announced that they're about to eat.
Speaker 2: That was apparently one of the ones that she got
Speaker 2: pulled up on a lot, like, you can't have Marsha
Speaker 2: coming in and saying this is you know, it's been
Speaker 2: a time or food is stuff. Billy and has don't
Speaker 2: do that. We knew that already. But they need a
Speaker 2: consultant on succession to tell them that.
Speaker 1: They arrive separately at Connor and Willis their dad's old place.
Speaker 1: Connor has created a complicated two tiered sticker system to
Speaker 1: allocate pops belongings to whosoever has the highest priority sticker
Speaker 1: in the particular sticking circuit round depending on what tier
Speaker 1: the sticker is in. Connor and Willa are, we learned,
Speaker 1: going to do long distance because Connor, of course, is
Speaker 1: going to be the ambassador to Slovenia, and will is
Speaker 1: going to stay close to New York, the New York
Speaker 1: theater scene, because she's got stuff cooking and she's ready
Speaker 1: to keep it cooking. And that's it. She seems very
Speaker 1: excited about They're very excited, most.
Speaker 2: Of them, Jason. They're both very excited, as Connor says,
Speaker 2: for this new chapter in their life.
Speaker 1: And we don't know much about what's going on with
Speaker 1: mencon But here is where we learned from shit, is
Speaker 1: that there has been setbacks in the court system for Mancin.
Speaker 1: So uh is Slovenia really gonna happen?
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: But Willa seems a little troubled by the fact that
Speaker 1: her husband might be living with her in her gigantic home.
Speaker 2: I like the way that Shiv says, Oh, wouldn't you
Speaker 2: be lucky you'd have him all to yourself. Now, this,
Speaker 2: I think is actually one of the most telling Willa moments,
Speaker 2: because I think Willa has been playing an unbelievable game
Speaker 2: up until this point, and I think here her endgame
Speaker 2: is truly revealed, which was put up with him long enough,
Speaker 2: get rid of him somehow, and then live in this
Speaker 2: giant mansion which I own with never ending funds and wants.
Speaker 2: This set goes through, I will also be a billionaire
Speaker 2: and I'll get half of everything if we get divorced.
Speaker 2: I feel like she has played such a good, long
Speaker 2: game of being supportive to Connor despite all his bullshit,
Speaker 2: that this is a great pull out the rug moment
Speaker 2: when you see her face drop when she thinks about
Speaker 2: actually having to be married to him.
Speaker 1: This is so good.
Speaker 2: It's so good, I wrote. I wrote an article ign
Speaker 2: that was called in the Succession finale, everyone gets what
Speaker 2: they deserve, and I think that is Willa's getting what
Speaker 2: she deserves. Moment is like you are even you, you
Speaker 2: thought you could play it, but even you are probably
Speaker 2: gonna have to end up living with Connor, drinking tambucha
Speaker 2: in this like horrible fucking nightmare house, just full of
Speaker 2: terrible memories.
Speaker 1: Very sorry about it, Willa, But apparently you're going to
Speaker 1: have to actually work to cover up the affairs that
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're having right now. Yeah, she immediately.
Speaker 2: Looks at her phone when she says that is she could.
Speaker 1: I don't wait for Connor to leave town, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure listen, Connor, I can't even pretend that he's a
Speaker 1: nice guy, but clearly he's very devoted to whatever this
Speaker 1: relationship is. But you know, Willa has needs as a
Speaker 1: much much younger woman with sharing none of the interests
Speaker 1: of her much older husband. I'm sure that she is
Speaker 1: out in the streets doing what she needs to do.
Speaker 1: Look now, looking after some and now Will, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to say, you're gonna have to rent. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go into your bank accounts and rent some other places, secret,
Speaker 1: some ten.
Speaker 2: Thousand dollars a month apartment.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to do it. I'm sorry you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to bring him here because what if
Speaker 1: you get caught. That's it. It's terrible. I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: break it. To you. Prompt, I don't even I forget
Speaker 1: what number we're on. But next prompt, can you make
Speaker 1: sense of the stickering system? How does it work? Do
Speaker 1: you get yet? Tell me how it works?
Speaker 2: So I actually rewatch this multiple times because this is
Speaker 2: this is a really wild Conner moment, one more proof
Speaker 2: that this man has too much time on his hands.
Speaker 2: We know he does nothing, but the stickering sequence also
Speaker 2: confirms one of our biggest theories here at Market Moves,
Speaker 2: which is Connor is the only one of Logan's kids
Speaker 2: who ever really got to be his kid. And we
Speaker 2: get to see that a little bit further down the line.
Speaker 2: But I think the reason he takes it so seriously
Speaker 2: is that he sees himself as the rightful air. He
Speaker 2: is the eldest son, no matter what someone else may
Speaker 2: say later, and he has already actually taken what he wants.
Speaker 2: We learn he was like, yeah, there was the first round.
Speaker 2: It was just me. I stuck quite want. So here's
Speaker 2: how it works. Everybody goes around and they put colored
Speaker 2: stickers on things. They put one on it. If they
Speaker 2: would like it a little bit, they put two on it.
Speaker 2: If they would like it more, they put three on it.
Speaker 2: If they would like it a lot. And essentially the
Speaker 2: idea is this is an honesty policy. So if you
Speaker 2: don't really want something, you just put one sticker on it.
Speaker 2: And the idea is at the end you count up
Speaker 2: the items that have the most stickers and whichever color
Speaker 2: gets to keep it. But of course, as it is
Speaker 2: immediately showcased, Roman just sees what other people have put
Speaker 2: on his and just immediately puts more stickers. So like
Speaker 2: it was a terrible idea made through Connor's dream that
Speaker 2: maybe these people could be honest. And then the best
Speaker 2: part is there's actually a secondary sex mourners.
Speaker 1: How does the second tier mourner?
Speaker 2: So I think the idea is if I was Kerry,
Speaker 2: for example, who has been put with the second tier
Speaker 2: mourners in just continuing the constant shade.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, is fortunate to be there in
Speaker 1: the second tiering and she's much lower.
Speaker 2: She's probably only there because Lady Caroline let her sit
Speaker 2: in the front. That like really up to her legal standing.
Speaker 2: So if I was her, what I would do is
Speaker 2: you have to go in in a brutal stickering fashion.
Speaker 2: Anything that didn't have three stickers, I just put three
Speaker 2: sticks is on and you're just keeping it. So that's
Speaker 2: what I think. Once you're in the second tier, you
Speaker 2: have to be more strategic. But the real truth is
Speaker 2: none of them want any of it, Like they don't care.
Speaker 2: And Connor's already taken what he wants and they literally
Speaker 2: have a conversation about are they even gonna go to
Speaker 2: the Great Reallocation as they call it, and they don't
Speaker 2: really want to go, but they're kind of like, shit,
Speaker 2: I guess we better go so it looks like we care.
Speaker 2: So really, I think the secondary tier of mourners could
Speaker 2: end up with some pricey gems, because really, these kids
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck. Tom arrives at the Great
Speaker 1: Stickering and he and Shiv chat about the fact that
Speaker 1: she's gonna be Mattson's American CEO, and Shiv woof tells him,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is what Tom was kind of
Speaker 1: poking around for, you know, sadly, No, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: all fucked. I don't know what happened. He's picking someone else,
Speaker 1: maybe Lawrence maybe, uh, And then she drops a very
Speaker 1: very important piece of information for Tom that well, how
Speaker 1: do I know, Greg told me, Yeah, what uh, And
Speaker 1: something about the way Tom reacts to all of this
Speaker 1: gets her suspicions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I say what? That's something is Tom says,
Speaker 2: maybe you should just vote it through anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom is the least slick play all time, like
Speaker 1: just just do it, just vote it through.
Speaker 2: And then she's like what And he's like, I guess
Speaker 2: I should tell you it's gonna be me.
Speaker 4: I'm missy yeah, And she's of course like what you're no, no, no,
Speaker 4: no way, and he tells, oh, no, no, no, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, that's gonna be me. And right there you
Speaker 1: kind of miss it because of the meltdown ship has.
Speaker 1: But that is Tom basically soft pitching his wife to
Speaker 1: switch side. She had talked to him earlier about hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to keep the marriage together, and now
Speaker 1: Tom is without saying it, is saying you voted through
Speaker 1: and then you know, you and me, uh, and it's
Speaker 1: happening right there. Shiv then storms off to tell Kenan
Speaker 1: Roman the news that holy shit, it's Tom. Tom pulls
Speaker 1: Greg aside and yells at it's so funny into a bathroom,
Speaker 1: screams at him basically for the fact that he rated
Speaker 1: out to shive when really it was him. He flat out.
Speaker 2: You fly you did it. He's like, you fucking snatched
Speaker 2: it away from me. And now they have time to
Speaker 2: make a fucking you know, a plan, and it's like, bro,
Speaker 2: you just did it. You you actually did it?
Speaker 5: Was you?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: But this is pretty like always keep your underlings guessing
Speaker 1: and always make him feel like it's their fault. This
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, textbook one on one leadership from Tom. Uh.
Speaker 1: They Tom and Greg get into it a little bit
Speaker 1: with Tom slapping Greg and then Greg showing that he's
Speaker 1: got a little bit of spiny slap Tom back. I
Speaker 1: think that's when he actually.
Speaker 2: Secures his place in Tom's court because Tom Tom likes
Speaker 2: the fight. Him and Greg have always had this masochistic
Speaker 2: kind of flirtation. This really toxic will they won't. They
Speaker 2: think you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't make a Tomletz without breaking some Greg exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, they are one of probably there's probably one
Speaker 2: of the most successful and popular toxic chips on the internet.
Speaker 2: And so I think that Greg slapping him back, that's
Speaker 2: that's a watershed moment for their relationship.
Speaker 1: To Masen, Mason on the other side knows Madsen then
Speaker 1: gets uh, you know, on the back of his various
Speaker 1: minions and it's like, get on your phones. Let's go.
Speaker 2: What does he want to do? Like, He's just like,
Speaker 2: I want to see phones, phones, get on your phones.
Speaker 2: Do something be on a phone. And I'm just like, well,
Speaker 2: they meant to do it the phones. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I love it.
Speaker 1: I think he's like, I want to see you calling
Speaker 1: the board members. Yeah, sure, make sure they are fucking
Speaker 1: on side. The sibs arrived at the board meeting again
Speaker 1: in three separate cars. Power move Ken, driven by Colin
Speaker 1: now officially his guy. Colin probably the only person in
Speaker 1: the world who knows for sure that can kill the
Speaker 1: guy m who like could testifying in court to the
Speaker 1: fact that Ken kill the guy.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They march in, feeling confidently Shiven Ken are projecting confidence.
Speaker 1: Roman is shaky goes in his office immediately to hide
Speaker 1: Carolina then pitches Shiv as, I'm sure she's pitched everyone on.
Speaker 1: Let's get rid of Hugo. I've got this, we don't
Speaker 1: need Hugo. And honestly a Hugo opened them up to
Speaker 1: insider trading very very recently, and I agree, like yeah,
Speaker 1: I keep I keep Carolina.
Speaker 2: Keep Carolina, and you know else as well. I like
Speaker 2: Carolina is like very fucking smart because she pitches it
Speaker 2: to Shive in a way that absolutely plays into shifts
Speaker 2: like ego, where she's like, look, yeah, She's like, if
Speaker 2: you win, She's like, we're gonna change the way the
Speaker 2: system runs here. We're gonna make a change for the good,
Speaker 2: you know, get rid of all the backstabbing, the lies.
Speaker 2: I think that means getting rid of Hugo. And I
Speaker 2: love that because it's like it plays into Shiv's liberal
Speaker 2: delusions that she's somehow gonna make things better bye by
Speaker 2: whatever naive weird shit that she ends up doing.
Speaker 1: Ken sits in Dad's chair, feet on desk to receive
Speaker 1: Stewie the you know, Shive and Roman look at this
Speaker 1: with something like revulsion, but they get it.
Speaker 2: They're like, it's just a chat, but also yeah, uh.
Speaker 1: And then Ken says to Stuwie, listen, we have it. Okay,
Speaker 1: we have it, Like, so come on board with us,
Speaker 1: and maybe we make you chairman of the board, you know,
Speaker 1: and it just gets you super super fucking paid. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you know, we'll run stuff. But you get to
Speaker 1: sit there and just collect Chairman of the board checks,
Speaker 1: what do you say about that? Roman then freaks out
Speaker 1: because Jerry is there, and he spirals, He completely spirals.
Speaker 1: He looks at himself in the mirror. The the kind
Speaker 1: of top of the drink carriage is a mirror, and
Speaker 1: he looks at it and he sees that his face,
Speaker 1: even though he had received a beating not that long ago,
Speaker 1: he looks too good. He looks too normal. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: why they'll look at me and think Roman looks pretty good?
Speaker 1: Why isn't it him? Like? Why is it Ken? Like
Speaker 1: what's going on? And he's starting to spiral down and
Speaker 1: he's like, and this is kind of Roman at his essence.
Speaker 1: He can't they all, all the siblings can't win. They
Speaker 1: can't do the final thing that it takes to win.
Speaker 1: But Roman's version of that is he actually does win,
Speaker 1: and he self destructs while he's winning. Look at him
Speaker 1: with menkn right, that was it, the fucking golden ring
Speaker 1: he had. He ruined it all the times that he
Speaker 1: could have been seeing. Later, Dad approached him at sea,
Speaker 1: sent him to executive training camp. He had that the
Speaker 1: partnership with Jerry that seemed like a good thing, and
Speaker 1: then he he blows it all the time, and here
Speaker 1: he is again blowing it because but not blowing it enough.
Speaker 1: He's like, I feel uncomfortable because I don't look like
Speaker 1: a complete piece of shit. And so in what is
Speaker 1: I think the scariest scene in the series, and that
Speaker 1: speaks to just what a fucked up family this is,
Speaker 1: Ken hugs Roman hard to his shoulder and using his
Speaker 1: shoulder like tears open his stitches.
Speaker 2: And he keeps pushing his head against him, even when
Speaker 2: Roman's kind of crying out it's it's really horrific.
Speaker 1: And week Colan just takes it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Roman's kind of crying, calling him a motherfucker, but
Speaker 2: he doesn't fight back. And I think that we really
Speaker 2: get a glimpse into Ken fully embracing that abusive side
Speaker 2: of his dad. In the Lost episode why he told
Speaker 2: Roman like you fucked it. When he tells him like
Speaker 2: you fucked it, like he basically plays into Roman's insecurities,
Speaker 2: but here that turns physical and this isn't even the
Speaker 2: last time he does something physically abusive to Roman in
Speaker 2: this episode, like he is ready to continue that, but
Speaker 2: he actually sees Roman even more as a punching bag
Speaker 2: than I think Logan ever did.
Speaker 6: X Ray Vision will be back, and we're back. We
Speaker 6: go to the vote.
Speaker 1: Ken is feeling himself. He's like, let's just vote now,
Speaker 1: why are we even talking about anything else? Can we
Speaker 1: talk about this? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: This man he sells himself. He's like, you saw me living,
Speaker 2: plus you saw me at the funeral. He's like to
Speaker 2: his siblings, he's like, I can pitch an idea, I
Speaker 2: can pitch a vision.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come into this board.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pitch them a vision so good that's gonna
Speaker 2: change everybody's mind. Instead, Ken walks in and he's like,
Speaker 2: you know mine aren't gonna be changed. You know me,
Speaker 2: we know how the votes are gonna land.
Speaker 1: Let's just vote.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, Ohsa, your arrogance was too high
Speaker 2: on that one. This is Ken's ultimate fall. Now that
Speaker 2: I thought Ken was gonna go in and flop the pitch,
Speaker 2: but I never imagined that Ken would go in and
Speaker 2: not pitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that first of all, one thing this
Speaker 1: show does really really well. All good shows do this
Speaker 1: really well. But Succession is kind of a masterclass at
Speaker 1: how you do this is you you know there's only
Speaker 1: Really it's hard to fool people who watch a lot
Speaker 1: of television, and so the thing you can do is
Speaker 1: you give them the thing before they think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Like with Tom, they basically outed that Tom was gonna
Speaker 1: be the guy in the middle, like early in the episode,
Speaker 1: just let you know it's gonna be Tom.
Speaker 2: But then they're like, how do you get that?
Speaker 1: How do you get there? And I think this part
Speaker 1: of it Ken, how is Ken gonna self destruct? How
Speaker 1: is he gonna lose it? How is SHITV gonna blow it?
Speaker 1: How is Rome gonna blow it? All of this is
Speaker 1: so perfect. So we go to the vote and it
Speaker 1: breaks down like this, Frank of course, Yes, Sonya, Yes,
Speaker 1: don't know who she is, Diane Lou, don't know who
Speaker 1: she is, but yes, Ken, you know where I stand. No,
Speaker 1: Sandy and Sandy Yes and yes.
Speaker 2: Which is kind of shocking because I think Ken did
Speaker 2: think he might have had them. They'd kind of talked
Speaker 2: about the Sandy's.
Speaker 1: Dewey we don't know him. But no, here's the shocking
Speaker 1: one to me. Youwen who starts with the quotation from
Speaker 1: the hippocratic oah, first do no harm? Then he says no,
Speaker 1: he wants Ken to maintain control of the company. I
Speaker 1: guess he thinks Lucas is worst. What is his resch
Speaker 1: now here?
Speaker 2: Absolutely baffling. I suppose maybe this is a bit of
Speaker 2: an indictment on Ewan because he still can't break out
Speaker 2: of that cycle. Or the other version of it is
Speaker 2: he is rejecting the billions that would come from this offer,
Speaker 2: and he's trying to make a statement in that way,
Speaker 2: but surely giving it to Kendall, a very non serious person,
Speaker 2: will not do no harm. I do not believe that.
Speaker 2: I think this is a bit of an indictment on
Speaker 2: Youan's hypocrisy.
Speaker 1: Well, Ewan is, you know, of course, quite happy to
Speaker 1: criticize his brother and the poison that he put into
Speaker 1: the world through his many, many media outfits. But of
Speaker 1: course he's quite happy to live in the literal lap
Speaker 1: of luxury and security off of the money provided by
Speaker 1: those concerns of his brothers that he considers to have
Speaker 1: poisoned the nation, poisoned the lives of various people. So
Speaker 1: Ewan is extremely compromised, and here in this moment, I
Speaker 1: just I was just surprised that he would be so
Speaker 1: like obviously compromised that he would just do it flat
Speaker 1: out be like.
Speaker 2: Family it.
Speaker 1: Let's keep it in the family.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get it. He was like really moved by speech.
Speaker 2: She was like that's for like I was feeling it.
Speaker 1: Uh, Stuie No, and I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: He goes no, Team Ken, baby fucking love that. Stuwie
Speaker 1: gets burned by Ken one more fucking time here. It
Speaker 1: is what like how many times he believed time?
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of like, do it for me, man,
Speaker 2: do it because my friends like this is the one
Speaker 2: man like, we're gonna do it. The thing I really
Speaker 2: love about this scene, you know what, continue with the
Speaker 2: vote breakdown.
Speaker 1: Before okay, Roman, he waivers.
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna be the one to flip it.
Speaker 1: He waivers, but then it's a no. So we have
Speaker 1: six to six yes nos, and we go to shivet
Speaker 1: the tie break the final vote, and Shiv is like,
Speaker 1: I just needed I need a second. What, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: need a second. I need to go to this other
Speaker 1: room and just like pace around. Kenn Is like what
Speaker 1: the fuck? He and Roman follow Shive to the other
Speaker 1: room where we're a fucking shit show circus. Oh, carnival
Speaker 1: of idiocy breaks out with everyone seeing in this.
Speaker 2: Gold everyone can hear it. I just want to say
Speaker 2: my favorite fucking thing about this. Yeah, and it plays
Speaker 2: into everything that Succession has done so well. I absolutely
Speaker 2: love that. It is just a fucking Russian roulette of
Speaker 2: where she would have sat if she wasn't the last vote.
Speaker 2: I don't believe she would have gone against it. I
Speaker 2: think if she'd have sat anywhere else in that room
Speaker 2: next to Ken, maybe what next to you? And I
Speaker 2: think she would have voted no because she didn't have
Speaker 2: this huge power. But on the she ends up sitting
Speaker 2: in the place which suddenly she has this life changing,
Speaker 2: billion dollar power that she has never had, and of
Speaker 2: course she uses it to fuck over her brothers, but
Speaker 2: not just that. I think that weight is just so huge,
Speaker 2: and Sarah Snook absolutely sells that, Like when she walks
Speaker 2: out of the room, she's not just doing it to
Speaker 2: be petty, as much as I would love that to
Speaker 2: be the answer. She feels the fucking way of this
Speaker 2: choice that she has been given. But it's so random.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even think about that. It really is
Speaker 1: all about where she sat.
Speaker 2: How crazy is that?
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. So they get into it.
Speaker 2: And Kendall just fucking loses that.
Speaker 1: You know, Shiv shiit. Shiv is like, is just kind
Speaker 1: of groping around for any rationale that makes sense, and
Speaker 1: she grabs one that actually does make sense, which is Ken,
Speaker 1: you can't be you. You kill the guy. Remember that,
Speaker 1: Remember when you kill the guy. I remember what in
Speaker 1: Italy when you admitted to us that you killed the guy.
Speaker 1: And Kenn's like, ah, no, no, no, no I didn't. I
Speaker 1: was I just false memory that that was like I
Speaker 1: made it up. I made it up. I just needed
Speaker 1: to say something in that moment, and we were, you know,
Speaker 1: in this weird place and I was just talking that
Speaker 1: was like bullshit. I'm good, I'm clean, I never killed
Speaker 1: the guy. Don't fucking worry about it. Can we just
Speaker 1: go back in there and vote I'm good? And then
Speaker 1: Roman says, well, he's and then he screams I am
Speaker 1: the eldest boy, which the bloodline isn't true.
Speaker 2: Exists. I know. That moment is so crazy because he's
Speaker 2: just standing in this office building and he's screaming, I
Speaker 2: am the eldest son, I am the eldest son.
Speaker 1: What a wild thing to scream.
Speaker 2: If they weren't already aware that you'd lost it, that's
Speaker 2: when they know. They know that you are not a
Speaker 2: serious person, just as your father said. And Kendall's screaming
Speaker 2: bloody murder about I'm the eldest son. I deserve this.
Speaker 2: Even though when they were in Barbados, they all revealed
Speaker 2: that Logan had told them at different times in their
Speaker 2: life they would be them. Of course, so they'd all
Speaker 2: been played into this same cycle.
Speaker 1: But Ken really, Ken really feels it and believes it
Speaker 1: that that is the case. So Robin points out, well, listen,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say that you're the bloodline just and
Speaker 1: I'm just repeating Dad's words here, you know it's not
Speaker 1: me same. This is what Dad said. And Dad would
Speaker 1: say that your kids aren't even really Roys, they were
Speaker 1: not truly as grand kids. Sophie is adopted, and Iverson
Speaker 1: is like the son of some contractor filing cabinet maker
Speaker 1: or whoever that worked on your house, right, but also
Speaker 1: half Robinson. I will also.
Speaker 2: Say, Roman sprinkles in some racism here to really get
Speaker 2: Ken go in. But again Ken reacts in the most
Speaker 2: horrifically another really scary moment where he just grabs Roman's
Speaker 2: face and pushes his thumbs into the scars, and it
Speaker 2: is like so horrific.
Speaker 1: And everybody is watching this there. Can you imagine you're
Speaker 1: sitting there trying to watching it.
Speaker 2: The mail room guy is watching it, even watching everyone
Speaker 2: is watching, not even just like Jerry and the people
Speaker 2: who are in that room, Like everyone is watching this,
Speaker 2: and it is the most unseerious shit you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Even if they'd gotten Shived to agree to the vote,
Speaker 2: this whole thing is proof that those three shouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to vote, and their votes would easily be able
Speaker 2: to be like null and void in some kind of
Speaker 2: boardroom takeover.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Shiv was like, get off of him, and then
Speaker 1: Roman is like, don't touch Shiv because she's pregnant. What
Speaker 1: the fuck? And then Shiv managed just to slip out.
Speaker 1: She gets back in the.
Speaker 2: Room and those two just fight.
Speaker 1: And those two just fight for another couple of seconds,
Speaker 1: and it just fucking happens. By the time Ken gets
Speaker 1: in there, it's fucking over. It's over.
Speaker 2: He stands up and he's like after him and Roman
Speaker 2: are fighting, and he's like, we got it, we got it.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Frank, there's still a route here, there's
Speaker 2: still a part.
Speaker 1: We could still do it, we can still do it.
Speaker 2: And Roman's like, no, we're nothing, man like, we're's fucking done.
Speaker 2: We're bullshit. And then Ken goes in and he's like,
Speaker 2: so where are we Let's and his hairs all fucked
Speaker 2: up and everyone just seen him have the fight and
Speaker 2: he's like, he's like, where are we. Let's let's in
Speaker 2: the vote. Let's just the vote. He looks like his
Speaker 2: hair's like gelled up, like he's in a boy band.
Speaker 2: He's like, we'll just hold the vote out, just hold
Speaker 2: the vote out for a little while, like and Frank, nah,
Speaker 2: it's done.
Speaker 1: Frank's Trent tells him it's over. It's done. Sorry. Thomas CEO.
Speaker 1: Tom walks in victorious. Uh Greg saunters up, and we
Speaker 1: get a taste of what the early regime, early days
Speaker 1: of the Tom regime will.
Speaker 2: Be at Goajos.
Speaker 1: At Gojo Go, he will first of all strap Carl
Speaker 1: and Frank into their golden parachutes, and honestly, like Carl
Speaker 1: made some you know, Frank was like, what do you
Speaker 1: think we're out? This is great, like awesome, and Carl
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know. Maybe run it back. You
Speaker 1: don't want to run back, go to your fucking Greek
Speaker 1: island and.
Speaker 2: Get the truth is. This is another great example of
Speaker 2: getting what that is up. They're gonna get their golden parachutes.
Speaker 2: That's secure. The legacy is no longer secure, as Carl
Speaker 2: has now realized, because he said some mad chad mad
Speaker 2: shit to Tom ally and Season and was like, you
Speaker 2: are nothing, nobody cares, nobody trusts you. You will amount
Speaker 2: to zero. So I love the line. Frank's like, no way,
Speaker 2: like not Tom and Carl's like, yeah, we should have
Speaker 2: slit his throat in the cradle, and Frank's like yeah.
Speaker 1: Goes without saying that we should have done that.
Speaker 2: But they're fine. They got millions of dollars, billions of
Speaker 2: dollars and maybe billions I think billions probably from this deal.
Speaker 2: So they're gone strapped into the golden parachutes, shut out
Speaker 2: of their line. But they'll do okay, they'll land softly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll be fine. I don't don't worry too much
Speaker 1: about Frank and Carl. Jerry will stay on because, in
Speaker 1: Tom's view, she knows, she knows how this nightmare circus works, and.
Speaker 2: She's one of the only people who actually knows how
Speaker 2: to do her job.
Speaker 1: She knows how to fucking do her job. HUGO, sorry
Speaker 1: about it, my guy, You're out. Caroline is gonna Caroline
Speaker 1: day on. And Greg is like, what about me? What
Speaker 1: about what about myself? Where do I land in all
Speaker 1: of this? And Tom's like, well, you're fucked, man. You
Speaker 1: know you make two hundred thousand as an assistant. That's
Speaker 1: gonna come way down. It's gonna come way down. You're
Speaker 1: gonna fucking get killed on salary. You're gonna get absolutely murdered.
Speaker 1: But and then he puts a sticker, one of his
Speaker 1: black stickers, on Greg's forehead. I got a place for you, buddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, I'm gonna save you because he owns
Speaker 2: Greg now and yes, Miles, Greg loves it. Greg wants
Speaker 2: to be involved.
Speaker 1: He's in. And then we get these wonderful little mini scenes,
Speaker 1: wordless of the three siblings in the wake of all this. Connor,
Speaker 1: we don't care. He's fine.
Speaker 2: He's what he's doing.
Speaker 1: There is Roman at a bar, and you get the
Speaker 1: sense that he will be fucking fine, like mentally, of course,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a tragedy that they've lost control of
Speaker 1: their father's empire. It is so heartbreaking and all they
Speaker 1: have to to assuage their feelings is just billions and
Speaker 1: billions of dollars that they will get for the sale.
Speaker 1: But is that really enough? No, but Roman will be
Speaker 1: okay y Psychologically, I seem cho logic.
Speaker 2: He has reached his rock bottom, and I think it's
Speaker 2: very sad to see him alone in this moment if
Speaker 2: you ignore the fact he's terrible person.
Speaker 1: But like the.
Speaker 2: Route that he has gone on this season has been
Speaker 2: incredibly bleak. But I think that you're right, Roman's alone. Really,
Speaker 2: Roman was kind of always alone, so women probably be fine.
Speaker 1: Roman is the same. Can we see walking through Battery
Speaker 1: Park looking fucking shell shocked again? It's it's very you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of dozens of billions of dollars in cash
Speaker 1: and stock. It's cold comfort when what you wanted was
Speaker 1: the company.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he needed this, This is all he could do.
Speaker 2: What's this? He doesn't know, but he's entitled to do it.
Speaker 2: He wanted to do it, and now he can't do it.
Speaker 1: Now he can't do it, and now all he has
Speaker 1: is like, you know, what's the sale? Price like ninety
Speaker 1: eighty something, and he's.
Speaker 2: Going like ten billion dollars nothing, that means nothing. What's
Speaker 2: he gonna do anything?
Speaker 1: What can you do with that?
Speaker 2: You can't do nothing.
Speaker 1: So he's so he's shell shocking. He's walking around and
Speaker 1: Colin is following him from ten steps behind, as he
Speaker 1: will do for the rest of his life. And we
Speaker 1: notice that, by the way, have to have to have
Speaker 1: to say when you know Ken was attempting to scoop
Speaker 1: out Roman's eyeballs in the conference room and then was
Speaker 1: turning into a scuffle. Where was Colin? Colin was out there, Colin,
Speaker 1: Colin can't wait to not take a bullet for Ken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Colin, I know. I was watching it. I was like,
Speaker 2: is Colin actually just gonna like push Kendall into the war?
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think he's. Like, this is
Speaker 2: not a man who's there through loyalty. This is a
Speaker 2: man who's there through blackmail and threats. Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know how long Kendall's gonna survive.
Speaker 1: They apparently did a scene where Ken goes over to
Speaker 1: to go over the railing and Colin pulls it back,
Speaker 1: but then went with the scene we see and then
Speaker 1: we see Tom riding off in some beautiful European luxury
Speaker 1: automobile with Shiv the power Couple ascendant. He lays his
Speaker 1: hand on the middle armrest with his palm upwards, and
Speaker 1: then she places her palm on his. Her hand. You
Speaker 1: couldn't say they were intertwined, but it's more like her
Speaker 1: hand laying openly on his. And that is the end
Speaker 1: of the series. An incredible series. I must ask now
Speaker 1: our final prompts, what do you think happens with everyone?
Speaker 1: We kind of talked about Roman, but where does everyone?
Speaker 1: Where does Shiv end up? Where does Ken end up?
Speaker 1: Where does Connor? I guess we'll do Connor. Where does
Speaker 1: Connor and Will?
Speaker 2: I think Connor from Will end up living in that house,
Speaker 2: being incredibly unhappy. I think that's the true ending of
Speaker 2: everything that is in all. I was singing about this
Speaker 2: a lot when I was writing about the show. They
Speaker 2: all end the show exactly where they began it, just
Speaker 2: exceptionally wealthy and incredibly unhappy, and I think that continues.
Speaker 2: I think Connor and Willa have the best chance of
Speaker 2: making it because they have some weird shit going on there,
Speaker 2: Like maybe they'll just end up being in like an
Speaker 2: open relationship and having all their lovers live in the
Speaker 2: giant house like I see a version where they could
Speaker 2: be okay. I think Shive and Tom are immensely successful
Speaker 2: and deeply deeply depressed. I also my friend James, who
Speaker 2: I watched Succession. We always watch it and talk about
Speaker 2: it afterwards. He made a great point when I was
Speaker 2: talking about everyone having their just desserts. In this episode,
Speaker 2: Shit essentially becomes Lady Caroline. She is a trophy wife
Speaker 2: of a figurehead of wealthy woman who has zero power
Speaker 2: in the business space that she's in, but will likely
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time influencing Tom's choices. And she's
Speaker 2: about to have a kid who she's already admitted she
Speaker 2: will not raise, will be raised by nannies. And I
Speaker 2: think in that way she gets another incredibly depressing kind
Speaker 2: of situation where I think the hardest one to call.
Speaker 2: Where do you see Kendall? Where does he go from her?
Speaker 2: Does he come back with some terrible tech start up?
Speaker 2: Does he try and make it come back?
Speaker 1: I think, Ken listen, Shive magnanimously offered to for no fee,
Speaker 1: just give her brothers the IP for the hundred.
Speaker 2: You know, she was like, I'll do that for free,
Speaker 2: because a.
Speaker 1: Love you can just have that you want, you want
Speaker 1: to have that be your little startup. I think Ken
Speaker 1: goes back to something like that. I think, whether it's
Speaker 1: the hundred or something else, you know, Logan once famously
Speaker 1: said to his kids, make your own damn pile. You know,
Speaker 1: why are you fighting over my shit? Go make your
Speaker 1: own money. And I think that Ken will eventually. I
Speaker 1: think this is obviously going to be the defining thing
Speaker 1: of his life, losing his dad's company. But I think
Speaker 1: that he will attempt various schemes to make his own pile,
Speaker 1: none of them being quite successful enough. But not to worry,
Speaker 1: because he's got so much money that he can just keep.
Speaker 2: He could never spend it.
Speaker 1: He can never spend it all. He'll be fine, rom
Speaker 1: and we said, will be fine.
Speaker 2: I want to put a prompt you. I think that
Speaker 2: this is a show where everybody, for the most part,
Speaker 2: has gotten what they deserve in like a bad way,
Speaker 2: because these are bad people. I think, if there is
Speaker 2: a true winner at succession in a non existential Tom style,
Speaker 2: you won, but you're trapped in a hell of your
Speaker 2: own making. I think it's Jerry. Because Jerry was there,
Speaker 2: I think you're to sign the Golden Parachute deal, which
Speaker 2: I'm sure she will still get because she was there
Speaker 2: to legally sign it. She's going to get her huge
Speaker 2: payoff for putting up with the Roys bullshit. And then
Speaker 2: if she wants to, if she is so inclined, she
Speaker 2: has a choice to be a part of this other Gojo,
Speaker 2: go and stay in this space that she's kind of
Speaker 2: been now. Jerry's not a great person because Jerry enabled
Speaker 2: the Roys for a long time, but within the logic
Speaker 2: and rules of the show, she is one of the
Speaker 2: few people who ever tried to hold them accountable even
Speaker 2: a little bit and kind of call them on that bullshit.
Speaker 1: I agree with you there, and I think honestly Frank
Speaker 1: and Carl too.
Speaker 2: They got out.
Speaker 1: They go Carl, congratulations. Your Greek Island is on the docket.
Speaker 1: Here it comes. I want to see that anymore.
Speaker 2: The Greek Island Summer Holiday spin off.
Speaker 1: I think, what is so wonderfully tragic and really what
Speaker 1: makes this show so good and so high quality and
Speaker 1: so timeless feeling in the way that it, you know,
Speaker 1: evokes our emotions and allows us to ride along with
Speaker 1: these characters who fucking suck. It's that it's pure tragedy
Speaker 1: in the most definitional sense of classic tragedy.
Speaker 2: The character.
Speaker 1: These characters have a fatal flaw, each of them right,
Speaker 1: and there really is no there's two moves that succession has,
Speaker 1: which is the Roys try to get their dad's company
Speaker 1: and they fail. That's it. That's the cycle. And the
Speaker 1: show shows you that again and again and again and
Speaker 1: heightens the way that they lose it exponentially each time,
Speaker 1: so that it so that despite the fact that there
Speaker 1: really is this very methodical and one note kind of predictable, predictable,
Speaker 1: they're gonna lose it. You know they're gonna lose it.
Speaker 1: But the question is how and how devastating will it
Speaker 1: be and how hard will they try to win it
Speaker 1: only to lose it this time and each time they
Speaker 1: lose it because of the fatal flaw. I think about
Speaker 1: like Shiv. Shiv is the woman, you know, the feminist
Speaker 1: who told a woman, a survivor of sexual assault at
Speaker 1: the hands of the people who worked for her father's company,
Speaker 1: to just take the fucking money, just take the money.
Speaker 1: And she will constantly sell out.
Speaker 2: And when she was bonding with Matson. As soon as
Speaker 2: he told her about Ebba, she immediately went into pr mode.
Speaker 2: How can we silence her, I'll deal with this, I
Speaker 2: can help you deal with this, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: She constantly sell out her own morals that don't exist, that.
Speaker 1: She pretends they exist because she thinks it helps her
Speaker 1: in the realm of like public consumption, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1: And if she has a fatal flaw, it's that she's
Speaker 1: very smart but thinks she's smarter than she is. Ken.
Speaker 1: Ken's fatal flaw is that he fucking can't close. He
Speaker 1: just can't get there and closed in Tileman and arrogance.
Speaker 1: In fact, that is something Nao Sha.
Speaker 2: He has that exact same problem that Shiv has in Barbados,
Speaker 2: but it has plagued him throughout his whole life. He
Speaker 2: expects the wind before has happened. He can't close. He
Speaker 2: never makes the deal. He just expects the deal to
Speaker 2: come to him.
Speaker 1: And then Roman, who I think you could argue, is
Speaker 1: maybe the most talented in terms of a social you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of the part of the job that is,
Speaker 1: in Lucas's words, vibe checks is just like hanging out
Speaker 1: and talking shit with other powerful people. I mean, you'd
Speaker 1: say Roman was weirdly the most the most able to
Speaker 1: do that. You think about the way he you know,
Speaker 1: initially before his downfall, the way he related to Makan
Speaker 1: was both of them roasting each other. He understood on
Speaker 1: an instinctive level that powerful people want to feel like
Speaker 1: there is something that awakens their cruelty when you just
Speaker 1: lay down. You need to spar with them just enough
Speaker 1: that they feel like you're on their level. And Roman
Speaker 1: weirdly understood that. But his fatal flaw is that he
Speaker 1: just couldn't in victory. He needed to destroy himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he does, be sure he got the big energy
Speaker 1: spot at the funeral, he blew it. He blows it constantly.
Speaker 1: And the fact that these characters just did those fatal
Speaker 1: flaw like self destructions again and again and again, and
Speaker 1: yet every time you're just like, holy shit, I can't
Speaker 1: believe it happened again. Yeah, that is really that is
Speaker 1: hard to.
Speaker 2: Do and is what makes this show so unbelievable writing.
Speaker 2: It's just such a powerful show. And I love how
Speaker 2: we had all kinds of theories and predictions and were
Speaker 2: wondering about the way that they would end this show
Speaker 2: and how out there they would go with it. But
Speaker 2: the truth is the reason this hit so hard and
Speaker 2: feels like the perfect finale is it follows those established
Speaker 2: rules like you mentioned about the character archetypes, but also
Speaker 2: it is that same mix of just absolutely bleak but
Speaker 2: incredibly realistic, like the fact that these characters end the
Speaker 2: show wildly richer than they were before, at least in
Speaker 2: like liquidity and like real money that they can have,
Speaker 2: but they still have a tragic ending that's so realistic.
Speaker 2: Kendall will never pay for the fact that he killed someone,
Speaker 2: have accountability, so in the world of the show, they
Speaker 2: give him the most realistic punishment, which is having this
Speaker 2: one thing that he always wanted ripped away from him.
Speaker 2: And that is really interesting because I think in this
Speaker 2: trend of eat the rich kind of programming and filmmaking,
Speaker 2: which I do love, you know, the menu triangle of sadness,
Speaker 2: ready or not, those offer very viscerally cathartic ideas around
Speaker 2: how people can get their revenge. They get killed, they
Speaker 2: get mutilated, they get eaten, they get burned, they get
Speaker 2: blown up, and it's like, but succession doesn't do that.
Speaker 2: Succession works within the world and says, look, here are
Speaker 2: these people that control everything in your life. They fucking suck.
Speaker 2: They're ridiculous, And what we can do is show you
Speaker 2: the worst thing that can realistically happen to them, which
Speaker 2: is being trapped in a loveless marriage but still being
Speaker 2: incredibly rich, being alone and isolated in Roman's case, but
Speaker 2: still being incredibly rich. Kendall not having the thing he
Speaker 2: always felt like he was entitled to, the throne and
Speaker 2: crown that he's wanted since he was seven when he
Speaker 2: was told it was his. He can't have that, but
Speaker 2: he's still incredibly rich. And I think that's why the
Speaker 2: finale hit so hard, because those rules and that cycle
Speaker 2: is so key to what Succession does well, and they
Speaker 2: totally understand that and really pulled it together. I saw people,
Speaker 2: I think it was Vanity Fair did an article where
Speaker 2: they were like, the season four of Succession was a
Speaker 2: mess until the finale. I don't agree. I thought this
Speaker 2: season was brilliant. But I love that even for people
Speaker 2: who weren't understanding or vibing with or following this season
Speaker 2: in a way that felt impactful, that finale was so
Speaker 2: strong that it pulled all of those threads together and
Speaker 2: made it work like that to me shows that this
Speaker 2: is not just recentcy biased or people being like, oh
Speaker 2: the finale's good. Even people who didn't like the fourth
Speaker 2: season are like, oh, this makes it work. That's how
Speaker 2: powerful it was. They can turn around somebody's view of
Speaker 2: the whole season. I personally think Succession has always been
Speaker 2: a show where every season is better, and I think
Speaker 2: that the fourth season follows that. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: what a finale? Just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, did shev actually win
Speaker 1: because Shiv uh, let's okay? So if she would have
Speaker 1: gotten the job that she was gunning for CEO American
Speaker 1: hand Pick CEO of Lucas Mattson's GOK, she would have
Speaker 1: been powerless, or she would have needed to be truly powerless,
Speaker 1: have no influence on Mattson's thinking, just be the cutout person,
Speaker 1: and then she'd have Tom in her pocket and not
Speaker 1: the other way around. But of course, like that was
Speaker 1: never gonna happen. So is this actually the best outcome
Speaker 1: for Shiv where she looked at it and said, here's
Speaker 1: what keeps me in the mix. I stay by Tom's side,
Speaker 1: I'm in his pocket. We've got the next in line
Speaker 1: of the lineage of the Roys with us, and we're
Speaker 1: just doing the thing that we've already been doing, but
Speaker 1: now we're trapped in it even more devastatingly than before.
Speaker 1: And unlike Ken, unlike Roman, unlike Connor who cares about Connor,
Speaker 1: I still am in the mix. I have Tom's ear,
Speaker 1: and sure Tom will never pitch Lucas on what I
Speaker 1: think he should do, but I'm in the mix somehow. Still.
Speaker 2: Oh, I absolutely believe that one of my favorite I
Speaker 2: think there's two things that drove Shive in that moment.
Speaker 2: We get the great moment when she's in the room
Speaker 2: and theft fighting with the kids and she says to Kendall,
Speaker 2: she says, I fucking love you, but I cannot stomach you.
Speaker 2: And I saw a great tweet that really sums up
Speaker 2: I think the fifty percent of it. Somebody was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I such a good tweet. I need to
Speaker 2: find it to credit person. We'll try and put it
Speaker 2: in the show notes. But they said, you know, people
Speaker 2: are saying Shiv, you know, voted against Kendall to save
Speaker 2: him from an abusive cycle. And they were like, but
Speaker 2: have you perhaps considered that she's just a hater. I
Speaker 2: do think that that is fifty percent of I think
Speaker 2: fifth pettiness was fifty percent she didn't want Kendall to
Speaker 2: have it. But I believe the other fifty percent was,
Speaker 2: as you pointed out, self preservation. I think Shiv weighed
Speaker 2: up everything, all the outcomes, like doctor Strange in Infinity War,
Speaker 2: and she worked out that that is the best outcome
Speaker 2: for her. No question, she doesn't have to work under
Speaker 2: Lucas Mattson. He has no influence on her life. She
Speaker 2: does not have to be the fore guy for any
Speaker 2: of his schemes, the bad Indian numbers. She can essentially
Speaker 2: live as off the grid as a billionaire can raising
Speaker 2: her baby. But I also believe that Tom is easily manipulated,
Speaker 2: and if she really did want him to put in
Speaker 2: things into action, she could whisper in his ear, she
Speaker 2: could pass all tonguehim. She could, you know, be the
Speaker 2: person who is really running the show if she wants
Speaker 2: to put that much energy. And so I do think
Speaker 2: on a power play level and who got the best
Speaker 2: outcome in the Cynical roy overview, Shiv made the power
Speaker 2: play move and made the right choice for her and
Speaker 2: her terrible ways.
Speaker 1: I agree, incredible series, what are close to it exactly
Speaker 1: rewatchable show, sad to see it go, But I think
Speaker 1: listening to Jesse on the kind of after show a
Speaker 1: little video FEATURETTE, I do agree with them that it
Speaker 1: logan dying, the funeral, the Gojo sale. It feels like
Speaker 1: a natural ending place, even though it does you understand
Speaker 1: that a writing team of this caliber could have come
Speaker 1: up with something excellent, but it does feel like a
Speaker 1: natural place to end.
Speaker 2: We always talk about it. One of the hardest things,
Speaker 2: especially if you're comic book fan, if you love TV,
Speaker 2: is to end something on your own terms. The show
Speaker 2: doesn't get canceled, the comic book doesn't get given to
Speaker 2: someone else. So the fact that the team got to
Speaker 2: end it on their own terms in a way that
Speaker 2: feels really organic and natural and definitive, that's just a gift.
Speaker 1: Well, it's been wonderful helping you build your bank roll
Speaker 1: here at Market Mouza.
Speaker 2: You should be much richer now.
Speaker 1: You should be so so wealthy and powerful now that
Speaker 1: you can have your own Tom. And if you're a Tom,
Speaker 1: you can have your own Greg. And if you're a Greg,
Speaker 1: you can hopefully work your way up by being a
Speaker 1: pain sponge for somebody else or a pain pig for
Speaker 1: somebody else. We wish that for you, a future of
Speaker 1: sucking up to the rich, sucking the biggest dick in
Speaker 1: the room, being the pain sponge, and riding that to
Speaker 1: the success that you deserve. Always remember, if there's someone
Speaker 1: rich and powerful out there, just suck their dick. We
Speaker 1: want to leave you with that. We want to leave
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: An important life rule for everyone from Market Market Moves,
Speaker 2: a show that has now been canceled by the network.
Speaker 1: Yeah, up the next turnout.
Speaker 2: In today's nerd out, will you tell us what you
Speaker 2: love and why or a theory that you're excited to share.
Speaker 2: Joe pictures us on Netflix's Vultron Legendary Defender.
Speaker 5: Hi x ray, team and listeners, I want to share
Speaker 5: the amazing content that is Netflix's Vultron Legendary Defender. This
Speaker 5: series is a reboot of the original and on its
Speaker 5: own fantastic animated series from the nineteen eighties, and in
Speaker 5: so many ways honors the original content. The newest Vultron
Speaker 5: series leverages a variety of animation styles, from the expected
Speaker 5: traditional action animation to occasionally incorporating Japanese anime st including
Speaker 5: to some fantastic Naruto style runs. The storyline adds a
Speaker 5: layer of heart and emotion that most of us wouldn't
Speaker 5: have expected or appreciated in the original series, tackling topics
Speaker 5: like death and loss, grief, found family discrimination, and the
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Speaker 5: a bit of a heartless person, but spoiler alert, in
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe. If you have theories or passions you
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Speaker 1: Hey Mike, this is his stuff from Marine.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Gojo sale today. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a guy. Let's just call him a sore so
Speaker 1: talk about it on background. I think your listeners might
Speaker 1: find this really interesting. I got a buddy of mine.
Speaker 1: We go to the Giants games together. We've had season
Speaker 1: tickets together for a long time. We go see the
Speaker 1: Mets all the time. He's a buddy of mine for like,
Speaker 1: we go way back. Anyways, he's let's just say he
Speaker 1: works for ken Uh And apparently in the wake of
Speaker 1: the deal, Ken was crying. His hair was all must up.
Speaker 1: They said there. He said there was a fight, the
Speaker 1: kids were fighting. Ken tried to scoop his brother's eyes out.
Speaker 1: He walks down to the battery. He almost jumps in
Speaker 1: the drink, and my buddy had the apparently get him
Speaker 1: out of there. And guess here's another thing. My buddy says,
Speaker 1: it's not the first time Ken's been in the water,
Speaker 1: and he like, he just left it at that. He
Speaker 1: left it very very cryptic in that kind of way.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you some of them. My guy Collin, Sorry,
Speaker 1: edit that out. Whatever I just said. The name, I
Speaker 1: just say, can you edit that out, Mike? No, Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is my guy is just
Speaker 1: h or my girl or whoever he is. He uh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't know. He's a very straight spoken kind of guy,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't always speak in riddles like that, Mike.
Speaker 1: So I think there's something serious going on. And that's
Speaker 1: all I have to say on the Goko deal. Mike.
Speaker 1: I'll take my hands off the end.
Speaker 2: Thank you.