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Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast contained spoilers for the series finale of

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Speaker 1: Succession on HBO. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and

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Speaker 1: I'm Rosey Night and welcome to x ray Vision, the

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Speaker 1: Crooked Media podcast where we're diving deepen to your favorite show.

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Speaker 1: This episode movies, comics, and pop culture, but really just

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Speaker 1: one show, the finale, the series finale of Succession.

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Speaker 2: YEP. In this episode, we've got actually kind of two

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Speaker 2: finales because it's the finale of Market Moves. The Market

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Speaker 2: Moves comes to an end as we talk about Succession

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Speaker 2: season four, episode ten, the series finale, one of the

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Speaker 2: greatest series finales of all time. I think I'm saying

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Speaker 2: it's happening, and in and out we've got Joe talking

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Speaker 2: about Netflix's Vulture and Legendary Defender. I'm very excited to

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Speaker 2: hear that because people love that show and the fandom

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Speaker 2: is very passionate.

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Speaker 1: Coming up Market Moves the finale, series finale of my

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Speaker 1: series finale. Too much pain.

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Speaker 3: Here's what I say, pain sponges.

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Speaker 1: Here, you can take a break, put a sticker on

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Speaker 1: your brain. I can save your space.

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Speaker 3: And I don't like eyes because they're face eggs. Clap

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Speaker 3: along if you suck the biggest stick in the room,

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Speaker 3: Clap along.

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Speaker 1: If you feel like a puppet for Big Luke, clap along.

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Speaker 1: If you feel like your wife's slopes are filled with

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Speaker 1: the juice.

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Speaker 2: Go long.

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Speaker 1: If you feel like sucking. D is for Market Moves Mackets.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Market Move's album coming soon, Coming soon. Go.

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Speaker 1: It's the finale of Marcot Moves. Yes, oh, folks, what

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Speaker 1: a show. What a finale? What an ascendance by Thomas

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Speaker 1: the Quizzling whams Gans. Let's get into it. We start

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Speaker 1: on deal Day, New York City. Ken arrives at waste

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Speaker 1: oar HQ. He's dapping up the crew. He's saying hi

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Speaker 1: to everybody. Hey, Hey, Corpy the DM everybody. Uh enter Telly, Telly,

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Speaker 1: who I love, has entered into our lives kind of

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Speaker 1: late in the life of the series. But Telly is

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Speaker 1: and every organization needs a Telly. Telly is the person

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Speaker 1: who's actually good at their job. But the powers that

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Speaker 1: keep Telly hidden away, like in a closet somewhere, and

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Speaker 1: you only really break Telly out when you need him,

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Speaker 1: but you do it privately, so nobody knows that Telly

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Speaker 1: is actually the one who knows.

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Speaker 2: Shit, Jason, are you saying they stashed Telly so nobody

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Speaker 2: saw the tapes. They keep him away.

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Speaker 1: That's really what happened. So Ken walks in, and Telly

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Speaker 1: as the truth teller, and the guy who sees clearly

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Speaker 1: immediately briefs Ken on what's going on with Stewie. He

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Speaker 1: just got off the phone with Stewie's guy, and Stuwie

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Speaker 1: is they don't have Stewie, and Ken is like what who? What?

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Speaker 1: He pulls himself together and he says, Okay, I can

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Speaker 1: get Stewie on board. I'll just get a phone called

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Speaker 1: with Stewie and this is a play and this is

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Speaker 1: just a smoke screen, and I can get Stewie. And

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Speaker 1: if I don't get Stewie, there's like a couple. I

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Speaker 1: have some backups in mind, so we have a path

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Speaker 1: to getting the votes. And then Telly is like, okay,

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Speaker 1: but like your votes include Roman and where is Roman?

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Speaker 1: No one's seen Roman, nobody's heard from Roman and Roman

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Speaker 1: and Ken is like, don't worry. I got Roman. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where Roman is, but I got him. I

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Speaker 1: have his votes. I got him. It doesn't matter. I

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Speaker 1: where Shiv is telling Lucas the stewing news that Ken

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Speaker 1: She's got it all. Listen, Kelly does it in his head.

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Speaker 1: Shiv needs a little piece of paper, but that's okay,

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Speaker 1: and she rattles it off, and she's like, listen, you

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Speaker 1: pie is all yours, Lucas, It's all go Joe baby,

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Speaker 1: It's in the fucking bag. And also not that I

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Speaker 1: care about it, Luke, but you know, Tom remember whatever

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Speaker 1: I'm good. And Lucas is like, listen, I've had a

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Speaker 1: And she, you know, she lets Lucas know in closing

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Speaker 2: Because you know what, HIV can say that to Tom's face.

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Speaker 2: But if Chiv would never say that about herself. HIV

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Speaker 1: we will get to shortly. But I think you're right

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Speaker 1: Number one. Shiv would say this and much worse to

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Speaker 1: a hot coming in absolute like star fucking power, unbelievable stuff.

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Speaker 1: So from this and we learned that Roman has gone

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Speaker 1: Shiv tells Lucas. Okay, I have a location on Roman.

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Speaker 1: because we need to have you know, we get Let's

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Speaker 1: So this leads us to our Shiv comes from the

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Speaker 1: political world, communications in politics. How did she fuck this up?

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Speaker 1: How did she You know, if it was Ken Even

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Speaker 2: Schiv says something really interesting late in this episode where

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Speaker 2: coincidence he's reading that piece and she says that line

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Speaker 2: about Tom and then he makes that choice.

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Speaker 1: this is Shiv's arrogance, she said. She says, as Lucas

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Speaker 1: She probably sourced for him and probably told that. She

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Speaker 1: probably probably approved the oddest she probably said. And by

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Speaker 1: it's Lucas running things. It's Lucas running things. I'm just

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Speaker 1: he just wants me here like as a as a flag,

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Speaker 1: you know, the next in line roy baby in my belly.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think there's a world in which

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Speaker 1: Lucas would have gone for it.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. I actually think that shows how

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Speaker 2: My favorite thing about this episode is that they managed

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Speaker 1: Vision will be back, and we're back. Tom and Gregor

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Speaker 1: Let me try it. I'm standing next to Lucas. This

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Speaker 1: The siblings come back together at Sunset and Barbados, and

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you this is why you say things as shit,

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Speaker 2: Lucas wants because as soon as Lucas said it's bad,

429
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: Tom's like, yeah, we might have been ill advised.

430
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: This was yeah, And then he's like, I'm going to

431
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: fucking kill Greg. Like Greg is dead, I'll Greg. She

432
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: just like instinctively is like, let me fucking kick Greg.

433
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: And then a little bit because Greg, because.

434
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: Whatever Greg did, he did it poorly and we need

435
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: to figure this out. Uh. Lucas then says, okay, Tom,

436
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: you pitch yourself. Pitch yourself as the guy, pitch yourself

437
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: as CEO. Tom says, listen, you know, I'll keep it simple,

438
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: low costs, high margins. I will, you know, eat any

439
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: kind of shit that needs eating, day or night, anytime

440
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: of day that ship needs eating, I'll eat the ship.

441
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: Look at what I did for cruises that was a big,

442
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: huge pile of shit sandwiches, and I fucking ate it.

443
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: Also not mentioned in this conversation, but I'm going to

444
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: mention it for him. I you know, Tom was willing

445
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: to go to prison. He wasn't happy about it.

446
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: He didn't like it. He was gonna do it.

447
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: He was gonna eat that particular fece sandwich.

448
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: Uh.

449
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: And then you know, he's happy to fire anybody anytime.

450
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: Like he will cut heads off and scoop out eyeballs

451
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: in his own words, he will make Greg do that.

452
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: But still, anybody that needs firing, he will fire. And

453
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: then Lucas is like, what about on a hang level,

454
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: you know? And then Tom was like, Man, I'm grinder.

455
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: I grind because I worry. I worry about, uh, you know,

456
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: my career. I worry about my personal well being. I

457
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: worry about everything, and that keeps me up at night.

458
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: That makes me means I'm working all the time, and

459
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be worried about your interest. And I think

460
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: this was very I think this was very convincing for Lucas,

461
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: the way that Tom is completely and totally subservient and

462
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: not just that, but I heard in the Official Succession

463
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: pod sarsguard said that he in his mind Lucas noticed

464
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: that Tom wasn't at the funeral and he was working,

465
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: and he said, Aha, that just works. Yeah, he just

466
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: will work for me.

467
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: I think it's also like incredibly honest in a show

468
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 2: where everybody lies. Tom's life has been absolutely fucking ruined

469
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: by his job, by his anxiety, by working for ATM,

470
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: by being with Shiv, Like everything he does makes his

471
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: life worse, and he will just keep doing it in

472
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: this pursuit of nice things, of wealth, of security, of status.

473
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: And I think that is very appealing to Lucas because

474
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: that's exactly what he wants. And he sees that Tom

475
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: is already someone who's in a deep amount of pain

476
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: and personal turmoil, and that's great because that's exactly what

477
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: Lucas wants. Lucas wants a pain sponge.

478
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: He sees that turmoil. I love that term pain sponge

479
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: so good. Lucas sees that turmoil, he sees the subservience

480
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: of Tom, and he says, Okay, let's see how.

481
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: Yes, how.

482
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: See how just how badly you want to lay on

483
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: my lap lap dog. Here's my concerns with your wife, Chivroy,

484
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: My concerns about her are number one on a just

485
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: business level. She has too many ideas. I don't need that.

486
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: I have my own ideas. My mind's going way too fast.

487
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: In fact, I probably have some sort of add kind

488
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: of underlying issue, and I don't need somebody coming in

489
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: and kind of like mucking up what is already chaotic

490
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: thought process. I need somebody who's just gonna execute and

491
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: follow orders. And then also, you know there's this thing

492
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: where like I kind of want to fuck your wife,

493
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: and you know I've already done that with Ebba.

494
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: And I think your wife would fuck me. That's why

495
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: I think you're like and I think she would fuck.

496
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: Me under the right circumstances. I really think your wife

497
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: would also fuck me. Sorry if this is weird, by

498
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: the way, and to which Tom replies, no, no, no, no, men,

499
00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: we're both men.

500
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: That's when he senses the job. That's it. He absolutely

501
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: the moment that the job is his.

502
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: He ties the fucking ball on it right there, and

503
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: Lucas says, you know, we get messy if I fucked

504
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: your wife and again she wants it. Uh, And so

505
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: I thought, why not get the guy who put the

506
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: baby and the baby lady.

507
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: Lucas Madson the world's biggest misogynist, just like unbelievable.

508
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: Next prompt, what the fuck does that mean? Can this

509
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: play that one to me? Okay, so what does that mean?

510
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: I think that Madson is like an old school like

511
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: piece of shit misogynist, Like he is like, well, a

512
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: woman doesn't get pregnant, a man gets her pregnant, right right,

513
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: And rather than me hiring a woman who is stupid

514
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: enough to get pregnant, like why don't I hire the

515
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: guy who was clever enough to get her pregnant? Like

516
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: he's I think this whole like why move by you? Good?

517
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: Move by you?

518
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: Yes?

519
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: I mean, And I think the real truth is like

520
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: in that moment he's going off, Tom's like we're men line,

521
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: But the real truth is he just wants Tom because

522
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: Tom's gonna do what he wants and be his pain

523
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: sponge and he hates women. But I like the way

524
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: he tries to explain it, where he's like, why not

525
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: get the guy who but the baby and the baby lady?

526
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 2: Even Tom, I feel like it's just like what the

527
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: fuck are you talking about? But I'll take it. I

528
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: also just want to say the moment when Tom does not,

529
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: I feel like Tom really When Madson says pitch me,

530
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: Tom thinks he's pitching to stay in the company after

531
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: the merger. He has no idea. So when Matson says

532
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: that to him, Tom's reaction is just like.

533
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: So fucking good.

534
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: He's saw it coming, even less than anybody watching the show.

535
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: A little me just I just need to push back lately,

536
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: like all Lucas did is refer to this man's wife

537
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: to his face in a very coarse, sexually just normal

538
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: business situation. And yeah, he sent you know, potentially gallons

539
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: of his own frozen bodily fluids to uh, you know,

540
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: one of his underlings. But does that make him a misogynist?

541
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: Actually?

542
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: Has he agree? Maybe he's just a very generous with

543
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: his with his frozen blood.

544
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: Do you. I don't understand how strong you have to

545
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: be as a man to be able to give up

546
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,239
Speaker 2: so many gallons of blood. So I think they make

547
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: a good point. I think, you know, some people may

548
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: call him a misogynist, and you know, maybe being an

549
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: old school misogynist is not even a bad thing. You know,

550
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: if you you hate people who have babies, cool, like,

551
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: maybe that's working good for you. He seems rich. I mean,

552
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: it must be going quite well. But I think I

553
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: think you were right to call me in on that one.

554
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: I look at Lucas and I think, where does all

555
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: the blood come from? How does he have?

556
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: So if you have so much blood, I need to

557
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: be a secret.

558
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: He must be different than me. He must be a

559
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: best of species. He must be better somehow, because that

560
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: man just is pumping out blood. But but and I've

561
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: just got a meager, regular humans amount of blood. That

562
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: is a superman over there. That's what I think what

563
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: I look at.

564
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

565
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: Greg then conveys, uh, this lightning bolt to Ken, that

566
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: shive is out and that Lucas is looking at somebody else. Uh.

567
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: And he does so with a promise, trying by trying

568
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: to extract a promise from Ken that they could quat

569
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: it up? Could he meaning add Greg to the three?

570
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: And now it's four and we're quatting it up.

571
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: I just want to say Greg's tried that I have

572
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: a secret thing too many times.

573
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: This isn't the second.

574
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: Also, I do want to point out here Tom I

575
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: feel is actually going to be very successful in his

576
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: new role, because when Greg comes to ask him what happened.

577
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: Tom does not tell Greg. Tom has realized that Greg

578
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: is a loose link, sink ships kind of guy, like

579
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: here is the weakest link. He's gonna try and betray you.

580
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: And that's just how it is. So Tom doesn't tell

581
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: him and leaves it vague. But Greg, proving his worth

582
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: in the corporate backstabbing space, uses a phone translator to

583
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: listen in to the Swedish people's conversations and that's how

584
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: he finds out. But Tom assumes that he somehow gleaned

585
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: it from their conversation and is unhappy. But I want

586
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: to just say, Tom, he's learning the lesson. In the

587
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: old days, he would have told Greg. They would have celebrated,

588
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: they would have done little disgusting brothers dance. They would

589
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: have probably like done some weird masochistic fighting, which actually

590
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: they get to later, but it is. I was very impressed.

591
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: I thought, Wow, Tom, he's coming up as CEO, Like

592
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: he understands now, this is like this is serious.

593
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: Well, he Tom, I think, understands that just as he

594
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: is Lucas's paint spongeg Greg is haint sponge. Greg is

595
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: his pain sponge. Greg is is the man who you

596
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: can uh who you can use as a foot rest

597
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: in your office. Greg is the man that you can

598
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: tell he's the crimes. And though he will eventually rat

599
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: you out because of the crimes, that's a known quantity.

600
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: There's no surprises with Greg. Greg's a fucking rat. Greg

601
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: will rat to whoever he feels like he needs to

602
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: rat to. And once you know that, Greg is very

603
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: very predictable, I'm quite useful, quite useful, quite quite useful.

604
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: It turns out, we go back to Barbados, where uh

605
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: things are happening. The siblings are coming together under the

606
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: idea that Ken is going to be the guy. And

607
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: here how it starts. First, uh Ken basically tells Shiv

608
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: after learning the news from Greg, that hey, you're out

609
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: like Matson's looking for somebody else. It might be Lawrence Yee,

610
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: a vaulter, it might be somebody else in the business. Chops,

611
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: I don't know they're looking at somebody else. So why

612
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: don't you, you know, call somebody like figure it out,

613
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: like you know, just confirm it. If don't take my

614
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: word for it, going confirm it and Shiv goes. She

615
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: gets a copy of the CEO press release and finds

616
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: that her name has been crossed out. There's just exes,

617
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: like a t K T K place holding exes, and

618
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 1: she knows it's real. From there, uh, Ken goes swimming

619
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: after making the pitch for hold on your seats everybody,

620
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: Ken makes the pitch for himself. I know this is

621
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: I know, huge twist, huge twist. Shiv and Rome joke

622
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: very casually about murder and Ken. I mean, they could

623
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: have done it right there in the waves, just trying.

624
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: There's I think there's a momentary truth that they both

625
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: consider in that silence, and I wouldn't have been surprised

626
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: to see it that go that way. Honestly, they probably

627
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: would have been better off. Kendall fucking sucks.

628
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: I think terrible. I think if Ken slipped into the

629
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: off that little floaty platform and into the waves and

630
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: was struggling and saying, hey, help me, I have a cramp,

631
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't. I think they would. They might move

632
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: towards him with a slowness that would allow him to drown.

633
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: I think.

634
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: But they neither of them are brave enough to actually kill.

635
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: Which is why I think Ken should be the CEO,

636
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: because Ken can do it. We know that Ken can

637
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: take a lot.

638
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: You know what, he's really good. He's really good at

639
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: delivering a pitch. I can't wait to see him pitch

640
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: this to the board.

641
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: Yes. After that, they go to the kitchen, where Shiv

642
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: and Roman decide, Okay, well, Ken, you are the king,

643
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: and so we're going to play this childhood game that

644
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: clearly they had been playing meal Fit for a King,

645
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: where they just take all the stuff from the kitchen

646
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: and put it in a blender and blend it up

647
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: and make the king drink it.

648
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: Another classic succession moment here where everything you learn about

649
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: their childhood is horrific. Bite a game they played in

650
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: their childhood Fit for a King where you just make

651
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: people drink disgusting things. Everything is about humiliation and brutality

652
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: and cruelty. But this is also one of the most

653
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: heartwarming scenes in the show. It is, which is just incredible.

654
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: Because it's just wonderful to see them all getting along

655
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: as Klee.

656
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: Kyt siblings in that moment, like there's no question that

657
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: these are brothers and sisters.

658
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: Roman licks Peter's special cheese.

659
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: Oh no, Daddy, don't lick my cheese. Perfect one of

660
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: the best Roman moments in the Hall show.

661
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: Uh Roman then pours the Fit for a King potion

662
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: over Ken's head and the three of them leave Barbados

663
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: together a unified, powerful voting block. And you can tell

664
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: that they are together and they are unified because they

665
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: arrive at the airport and they're talking strategy. You do this,

666
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: and I'll talk to this person.

667
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: And here they're wearing matching black outfit.

668
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: Matching black outfits. And then they get into three different

669
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: cars to go to the same location. What what what that?

670
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: What they tail?

671
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: That detail is perfect.

672
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: But also I also it's definitely it's a big time

673
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: pound if you never never share a cab. Thank you. Yes.

674
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: If I'm a If I'm in a car with you,

675
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: whose car is who riding it? No one knows. If

676
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: I'm in my car, right, who's driver is this?

677
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: Whose driver is that? My driver? Is that my driver?

678
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: Right?

679
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: If you're the.

680
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: Driver, pull over, I need to I need to just

681
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: take a shit in the middle of the street. Who

682
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: is that driver? Listen?

683
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: You are going to listen to you. That's why they're

684
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: going to listen to you.

685
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: And that's why you always have to ride in separate cars.

686
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: They have some really great moments like that in the show.

687
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: There's a brilliant interview right now with one of the

688
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: writers of Succession that's at The Guardian. It's like it's

689
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 2: not an interview, actually's a think piece that she wrote

690
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: about how the story of making Succession And one of

691
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: the things she talks about is that they had a

692
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: consultant for how billionaires behave And one of the things

693
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: she pointed out is she said, their shoes only ever

694
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 2: touch carpet. So wherever they go, they go from the

695
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 2: car to the you know, airfield, there's a red carpet.

696
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: They go to the house, there's a carpet. Their shoes

697
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: never touched the ground. That was like blowing my mind

698
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: because when you watch it and you watch moments like this,

699
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: you see that it's true.

700
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: There they don't have coats.

701
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: They don't have coats, that's a big one. They don't

702
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: wear coats. They never announced that they're about to eat.

703
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: That was apparently one of the ones that she got

704
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: pulled up on a lot, like, you can't have Marsha

705
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: coming in and saying this is you know, it's been

706
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: a time or food is stuff. Billy and has don't

707
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: do that. We knew that already. But they need a

708
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 2: consultant on succession to tell them that.

709
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: They arrive separately at Connor and Willis their dad's old place.

710
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: Connor has created a complicated two tiered sticker system to

711
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: allocate pops belongings to whosoever has the highest priority sticker

712
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: in the particular sticking circuit round depending on what tier

713
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: the sticker is in. Connor and Willa are, we learned,

714
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: going to do long distance because Connor, of course, is

715
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: going to be the ambassador to Slovenia, and will is

716
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: going to stay close to New York, the New York

717
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: theater scene, because she's got stuff cooking and she's ready

718
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: to keep it cooking. And that's it. She seems very

719
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: excited about They're very excited, most.

720
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: Of them, Jason. They're both very excited, as Connor says,

721
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: for this new chapter in their life.

722
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: And we don't know much about what's going on with

723
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: mencon But here is where we learned from shit, is

724
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: that there has been setbacks in the court system for Mancin.

725
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: So uh is Slovenia really gonna happen?

726
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: We don't know.

727
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: But Willa seems a little troubled by the fact that

728
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: her husband might be living with her in her gigantic home.

729
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: I like the way that Shiv says, Oh, wouldn't you

730
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: be lucky you'd have him all to yourself. Now, this,

731
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: I think is actually one of the most telling Willa moments,

732
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: because I think Willa has been playing an unbelievable game

733
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: up until this point, and I think here her endgame

734
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: is truly revealed, which was put up with him long enough,

735
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: get rid of him somehow, and then live in this

736
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: giant mansion which I own with never ending funds and wants.

737
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: This set goes through, I will also be a billionaire

738
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: and I'll get half of everything if we get divorced.

739
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: I feel like she has played such a good, long

740
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: game of being supportive to Connor despite all his bullshit,

741
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: that this is a great pull out the rug moment

742
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 2: when you see her face drop when she thinks about

743
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: actually having to be married to him.

744
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: This is so good.

745
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: It's so good, I wrote. I wrote an article ign

746
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: that was called in the Succession finale, everyone gets what

747
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: they deserve, and I think that is Willa's getting what

748
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: she deserves. Moment is like you are even you, you

749
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: thought you could play it, but even you are probably

750
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: gonna have to end up living with Connor, drinking tambucha

751
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: in this like horrible fucking nightmare house, just full of

752
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: terrible memories.

753
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: Very sorry about it, Willa, But apparently you're going to

754
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: have to actually work to cover up the affairs that

755
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're having right now. Yeah, she immediately.

756
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: Looks at her phone when she says that is she could.

757
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: I don't wait for Connor to leave town, because I'm

758
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: sure listen, Connor, I can't even pretend that he's a

759
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: nice guy, but clearly he's very devoted to whatever this

760
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: relationship is. But you know, Willa has needs as a

761
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: much much younger woman with sharing none of the interests

762
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: of her much older husband. I'm sure that she is

763
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: out in the streets doing what she needs to do.

764
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: Look now, looking after some and now Will, I'm sorry

765
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: to say, you're gonna have to rent. You're gonna have

766
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: to go into your bank accounts and rent some other places, secret,

767
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: some ten.

768
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: Thousand dollars a month apartment.

769
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to do it. I'm sorry you're not

770
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: gonna be able to bring him here because what if

771
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: you get caught. That's it. It's terrible. I'm sorry to

772
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: break it. To you. Prompt, I don't even I forget

773
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: what number we're on. But next prompt, can you make

774
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: sense of the stickering system? How does it work? Do

775
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: you get yet? Tell me how it works?

776
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: So I actually rewatch this multiple times because this is

777
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: this is a really wild Conner moment, one more proof

778
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: that this man has too much time on his hands.

779
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: We know he does nothing, but the stickering sequence also

780
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: confirms one of our biggest theories here at Market Moves,

781
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: which is Connor is the only one of Logan's kids

782
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: who ever really got to be his kid. And we

783
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: get to see that a little bit further down the line.

784
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: But I think the reason he takes it so seriously

785
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: is that he sees himself as the rightful air. He

786
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: is the eldest son, no matter what someone else may

787
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: say later, and he has already actually taken what he wants.

788
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: We learn he was like, yeah, there was the first round.

789
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: It was just me. I stuck quite want. So here's

790
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 2: how it works. Everybody goes around and they put colored

791
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: stickers on things. They put one on it. If they

792
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: would like it a little bit, they put two on it.

793
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: If they would like it more, they put three on it.

794
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: If they would like it a lot. And essentially the

795
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: idea is this is an honesty policy. So if you

796
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: don't really want something, you just put one sticker on it.

797
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: And the idea is at the end you count up

798
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: the items that have the most stickers and whichever color

799
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: gets to keep it. But of course, as it is

800
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: immediately showcased, Roman just sees what other people have put

801
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: on his and just immediately puts more stickers. So like

802
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: it was a terrible idea made through Connor's dream that

803
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: maybe these people could be honest. And then the best

804
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: part is there's actually a secondary sex mourners.

805
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: How does the second tier mourner?

806
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: So I think the idea is if I was Kerry,

807
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: for example, who has been put with the second tier

808
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: mourners in just continuing the constant shade.

809
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: And to be honest, is fortunate to be there in

810
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: the second tiering and she's much lower.

811
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: She's probably only there because Lady Caroline let her sit

812
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: in the front. That like really up to her legal standing.

813
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: So if I was her, what I would do is

814
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: you have to go in in a brutal stickering fashion.

815
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: Anything that didn't have three stickers, I just put three

816
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: sticks is on and you're just keeping it. So that's

817
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: what I think. Once you're in the second tier, you

818
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: have to be more strategic. But the real truth is

819
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: none of them want any of it, Like they don't care.

820
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: And Connor's already taken what he wants and they literally

821
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: have a conversation about are they even gonna go to

822
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: the Great Reallocation as they call it, and they don't

823
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: really want to go, but they're kind of like, shit,

824
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: I guess we better go so it looks like we care.

825
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: So really, I think the secondary tier of mourners could

826
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: end up with some pricey gems, because really, these kids

827
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck.

828
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck. Tom arrives at the Great

829
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: Stickering and he and Shiv chat about the fact that

830
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: she's gonna be Mattson's American CEO, and Shiv woof tells him,

831
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: you know, and this is what Tom was kind of

832
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: poking around for, you know, sadly, No, no, no, that's

833
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: all fucked. I don't know what happened. He's picking someone else,

834
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: maybe Lawrence maybe, uh, And then she drops a very

835
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: very important piece of information for Tom that well, how

836
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: do I know, Greg told me, Yeah, what uh, And

837
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: something about the way Tom reacts to all of this

838
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: gets her suspicions.

839
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I say what? That's something is Tom says,

840
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: maybe you should just vote it through anyway.

841
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom is the least slick play all time, like

842
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: just just do it, just vote it through.

843
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: And then she's like what And he's like, I guess

844
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: I should tell you it's gonna be me.

845
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 4: I'm missy yeah, And she's of course like what you're no, no, no,

846
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 4: no way, and he tells, oh, no, no, no, that's yeah.

847
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: It's yeah, that's gonna be me. And right there you

848
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: kind of miss it because of the meltdown ship has.

849
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: But that is Tom basically soft pitching his wife to

850
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: switch side. She had talked to him earlier about hey,

851
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: do you want to keep the marriage together, and now

852
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: Tom is without saying it, is saying you voted through

853
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: and then you know, you and me, uh, and it's

854
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: happening right there. Shiv then storms off to tell Kenan

855
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: Roman the news that holy shit, it's Tom. Tom pulls

856
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: Greg aside and yells at it's so funny into a bathroom,

857
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: screams at him basically for the fact that he rated

858
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: out to shive when really it was him. He flat out.

859
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: You fly you did it. He's like, you fucking snatched

860
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: it away from me. And now they have time to

861
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: make a fucking you know, a plan, and it's like, bro,

862
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: you just did it. You you actually did it?

863
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 5: Was you?

864
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: You?

865
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: But this is pretty like always keep your underlings guessing

866
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: and always make him feel like it's their fault. This

867
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, textbook one on one leadership from Tom. Uh.

868
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: They Tom and Greg get into it a little bit

869
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: with Tom slapping Greg and then Greg showing that he's

870
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: got a little bit of spiny slap Tom back. I

871
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: think that's when he actually.

872
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: Secures his place in Tom's court because Tom Tom likes

873
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: the fight. Him and Greg have always had this masochistic

874
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: kind of flirtation. This really toxic will they won't. They

875
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: think you can't.

876
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: You can't make a Tomletz without breaking some Greg exactly.

877
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: I mean, they are one of probably there's probably one

878
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: of the most successful and popular toxic chips on the internet.

879
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: And so I think that Greg slapping him back, that's

880
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: that's a watershed moment for their relationship.

881
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: To Masen, Mason on the other side knows Madsen then

882
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: gets uh, you know, on the back of his various

883
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: minions and it's like, get on your phones. Let's go.

884
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: What does he want to do? Like, He's just like,

885
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: I want to see phones, phones, get on your phones.

886
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: Do something be on a phone. And I'm just like, well,

887
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: they meant to do it the phones. I don't know,

888
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: but I love it.

889
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: I think he's like, I want to see you calling

890
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: the board members. Yeah, sure, make sure they are fucking

891
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: on side. The sibs arrived at the board meeting again

892
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: in three separate cars. Power move Ken, driven by Colin

893
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: now officially his guy. Colin probably the only person in

894
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: the world who knows for sure that can kill the

895
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: guy m who like could testifying in court to the

896
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: fact that Ken kill the guy.

897
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: Uh.

898
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: They march in, feeling confidently Shiven Ken are projecting confidence.

899
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: Roman is shaky goes in his office immediately to hide

900
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: Carolina then pitches Shiv as, I'm sure she's pitched everyone on.

901
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: Let's get rid of Hugo. I've got this, we don't

902
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: need Hugo. And honestly a Hugo opened them up to

903
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: insider trading very very recently, and I agree, like yeah,

904
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: I keep I keep Carolina.

905
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: Keep Carolina, and you know else as well. I like

906
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: Carolina is like very fucking smart because she pitches it

907
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: to Shive in a way that absolutely plays into shifts

908
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: like ego, where she's like, look, yeah, She's like, if

909
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: you win, She's like, we're gonna change the way the

910
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: system runs here. We're gonna make a change for the good,

911
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: you know, get rid of all the backstabbing, the lies.

912
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: I think that means getting rid of Hugo. And I

913
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 2: love that because it's like it plays into Shiv's liberal

914
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: delusions that she's somehow gonna make things better bye by

915
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: whatever naive weird shit that she ends up doing.

916
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: Ken sits in Dad's chair, feet on desk to receive

917
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: Stewie the you know, Shive and Roman look at this

918
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 1: with something like revulsion, but they get it.

919
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: They're like, it's just a chat, but also yeah, uh.

920
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: And then Ken says to Stuwie, listen, we have it. Okay,

921
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: we have it, Like, so come on board with us,

922
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: and maybe we make you chairman of the board, you know,

923
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: and it just gets you super super fucking paid. Uh,

924
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: and you know, we'll run stuff. But you get to

925
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: sit there and just collect Chairman of the board checks,

926
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: what do you say about that? Roman then freaks out

927
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: because Jerry is there, and he spirals, He completely spirals.

928
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: He looks at himself in the mirror. The the kind

929
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: of top of the drink carriage is a mirror, and

930
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 1: he looks at it and he sees that his face,

931
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 1: even though he had received a beating not that long ago,

932
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: he looks too good. He looks too normal. And he's like, well,

933
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: why they'll look at me and think Roman looks pretty good?

934
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: Why isn't it him? Like? Why is it Ken? Like

935
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: what's going on? And he's starting to spiral down and

936
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: he's like, and this is kind of Roman at his essence.

937
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: He can't they all, all the siblings can't win. They

938
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 1: can't do the final thing that it takes to win.

939
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: But Roman's version of that is he actually does win,

940
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: and he self destructs while he's winning. Look at him

941
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: with menkn right, that was it, the fucking golden ring

942
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: he had. He ruined it all the times that he

943
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: could have been seeing. Later, Dad approached him at sea,

944
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: sent him to executive training camp. He had that the

945
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: partnership with Jerry that seemed like a good thing, and

946
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: then he he blows it all the time, and here

947
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: he is again blowing it because but not blowing it enough.

948
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: He's like, I feel uncomfortable because I don't look like

949
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: a complete piece of shit. And so in what is

950
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: I think the scariest scene in the series, and that

951
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: speaks to just what a fucked up family this is,

952
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: Ken hugs Roman hard to his shoulder and using his

953
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: shoulder like tears open his stitches.

954
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: And he keeps pushing his head against him, even when

955
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: Roman's kind of crying out it's it's really horrific.

956
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: And week Colan just takes it.

957
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Roman's kind of crying, calling him a motherfucker, but

958
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: he doesn't fight back. And I think that we really

959
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: get a glimpse into Ken fully embracing that abusive side

960
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,479
Speaker 2: of his dad. In the Lost episode why he told

961
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: Roman like you fucked it. When he tells him like

962
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: you fucked it, like he basically plays into Roman's insecurities,

963
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 2: but here that turns physical and this isn't even the

964
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: last time he does something physically abusive to Roman in

965
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: this episode, like he is ready to continue that, but

966
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: he actually sees Roman even more as a punching bag

967
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 2: than I think Logan ever did.

968
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 6: X Ray Vision will be back, and we're back. We

969
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 6: go to the vote.

970
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: Ken is feeling himself. He's like, let's just vote now,

971
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: why are we even talking about anything else? Can we

972
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: talk about this? Right? Yeah?

973
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: This man he sells himself. He's like, you saw me living,

974
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: plus you saw me at the funeral. He's like to

975
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: his siblings, he's like, I can pitch an idea, I

976
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 2: can pitch a vision.

977
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come into this board.

978
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pitch them a vision so good that's gonna

979
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: change everybody's mind. Instead, Ken walks in and he's like,

980
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: you know mine aren't gonna be changed. You know me,

981
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 2: we know how the votes are gonna land.

982
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: Let's just vote.

983
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, Ohsa, your arrogance was too high

984
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: on that one. This is Ken's ultimate fall. Now that

985
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 2: I thought Ken was gonna go in and flop the pitch,

986
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: but I never imagined that Ken would go in and

987
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: not pitch.

988
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that first of all, one thing this

989
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: show does really really well. All good shows do this

990
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: really well. But Succession is kind of a masterclass at

991
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: how you do this is you you know there's only

992
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: Really it's hard to fool people who watch a lot

993
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: of television, and so the thing you can do is

994
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: you give them the thing before they think it's gonna happen.

995
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: Like with Tom, they basically outed that Tom was gonna

996
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: be the guy in the middle, like early in the episode,

997
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: just let you know it's gonna be Tom.

998
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: But then they're like, how do you get that?

999
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: How do you get there? And I think this part

1000
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: of it Ken, how is Ken gonna self destruct? How

1001
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: is he gonna lose it? How is SHITV gonna blow it?

1002
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: How is Rome gonna blow it? All of this is

1003
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: so perfect. So we go to the vote and it

1004
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: breaks down like this, Frank of course, Yes, Sonya, Yes,

1005
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: don't know who she is, Diane Lou, don't know who

1006
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: she is, but yes, Ken, you know where I stand. No,

1007
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: Sandy and Sandy Yes and yes.

1008
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: Which is kind of shocking because I think Ken did

1009
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: think he might have had them. They'd kind of talked

1010
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: about the Sandy's.

1011
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: Dewey we don't know him. But no, here's the shocking

1012
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: one to me. Youwen who starts with the quotation from

1013
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: the hippocratic oah, first do no harm? Then he says no,

1014
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: he wants Ken to maintain control of the company. I

1015
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: guess he thinks Lucas is worst. What is his resch

1016
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: now here?

1017
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely baffling. I suppose maybe this is a bit of

1018
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: an indictment on Ewan because he still can't break out

1019
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: of that cycle. Or the other version of it is

1020
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: he is rejecting the billions that would come from this offer,

1021
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 2: and he's trying to make a statement in that way,

1022
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: but surely giving it to Kendall, a very non serious person,

1023
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 2: will not do no harm. I do not believe that.

1024
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: I think this is a bit of an indictment on

1025
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: Youan's hypocrisy.

1026
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: Well, Ewan is, you know, of course, quite happy to

1027
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: criticize his brother and the poison that he put into

1028
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: the world through his many, many media outfits. But of

1029
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: course he's quite happy to live in the literal lap

1030
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: of luxury and security off of the money provided by

1031
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: those concerns of his brothers that he considers to have

1032
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: poisoned the nation, poisoned the lives of various people. So

1033
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: Ewan is extremely compromised, and here in this moment, I

1034
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: just I was just surprised that he would be so

1035
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: like obviously compromised that he would just do it flat

1036
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: out be like.

1037
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 2: Family it.

1038
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: Let's keep it in the family.

1039
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get it. He was like really moved by speech.

1040
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: She was like that's for like I was feeling it.

1041
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: Uh, Stuie No, and I love it. I love it.

1042
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: He goes no, Team Ken, baby fucking love that. Stuwie

1043
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: gets burned by Ken one more fucking time here. It

1044
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: is what like how many times he believed time?

1045
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of like, do it for me, man,

1046
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: do it because my friends like this is the one

1047
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: man like, we're gonna do it. The thing I really

1048
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: love about this scene, you know what, continue with the

1049
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: vote breakdown.

1050
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: Before okay, Roman, he waivers.

1051
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna be the one to flip it.

1052
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: He waivers, but then it's a no. So we have

1053
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: six to six yes nos, and we go to shivet

1054
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: the tie break the final vote, and Shiv is like,

1055
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: I just needed I need a second. What, Yeah, I

1056
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: need a second. I need to go to this other

1057
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: room and just like pace around. Kenn Is like what

1058
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: the fuck? He and Roman follow Shive to the other

1059
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: room where we're a fucking shit show circus. Oh, carnival

1060
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: of idiocy breaks out with everyone seeing in this.

1061
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 2: Gold everyone can hear it. I just want to say

1062
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: my favorite fucking thing about this. Yeah, and it plays

1063
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: into everything that Succession has done so well. I absolutely

1064
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: love that. It is just a fucking Russian roulette of

1065
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: where she would have sat if she wasn't the last vote.

1066
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: I don't believe she would have gone against it. I

1067
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: think if she'd have sat anywhere else in that room

1068
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: next to Ken, maybe what next to you? And I

1069
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: think she would have voted no because she didn't have

1070
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: this huge power. But on the she ends up sitting

1071
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: in the place which suddenly she has this life changing,

1072
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: billion dollar power that she has never had, and of

1073
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: course she uses it to fuck over her brothers, but

1074
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: not just that. I think that weight is just so huge,

1075
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,959
Speaker 2: and Sarah Snook absolutely sells that, Like when she walks

1076
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: out of the room, she's not just doing it to

1077
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: be petty, as much as I would love that to

1078
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: be the answer. She feels the fucking way of this

1079
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: choice that she has been given. But it's so random.

1080
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even think about that. It really is

1081
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: all about where she sat.

1082
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: How crazy is that?

1083
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. So they get into it.

1084
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: And Kendall just fucking loses that.

1085
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: You know, Shiv shiit. Shiv is like, is just kind

1086
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: of groping around for any rationale that makes sense, and

1087
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: she grabs one that actually does make sense, which is Ken,

1088
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: you can't be you. You kill the guy. Remember that,

1089
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: Remember when you kill the guy. I remember what in

1090
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: Italy when you admitted to us that you killed the guy.

1091
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: And Kenn's like, ah, no, no, no, no I didn't. I

1092
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: was I just false memory that that was like I

1093
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: made it up. I made it up. I just needed

1094
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: to say something in that moment, and we were, you know,

1095
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: in this weird place and I was just talking that

1096
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: was like bullshit. I'm good, I'm clean, I never killed

1097
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: the guy. Don't fucking worry about it. Can we just

1098
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: go back in there and vote I'm good? And then

1099
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: Roman says, well, he's and then he screams I am

1100
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: the eldest boy, which the bloodline isn't true.

1101
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: Exists. I know. That moment is so crazy because he's

1102
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: just standing in this office building and he's screaming, I

1103
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: am the eldest son, I am the eldest son.

1104
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: What a wild thing to scream.

1105
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: If they weren't already aware that you'd lost it, that's

1106
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: when they know. They know that you are not a

1107
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: serious person, just as your father said. And Kendall's screaming

1108
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: bloody murder about I'm the eldest son. I deserve this.

1109
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: Even though when they were in Barbados, they all revealed

1110
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: that Logan had told them at different times in their

1111
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: life they would be them. Of course, so they'd all

1112
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: been played into this same cycle.

1113
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: But Ken really, Ken really feels it and believes it

1114
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: that that is the case. So Robin points out, well, listen,

1115
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say that you're the bloodline just and

1116
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm just repeating Dad's words here, you know it's not

1117
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: me same. This is what Dad said. And Dad would

1118
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: say that your kids aren't even really Roys, they were

1119
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: not truly as grand kids. Sophie is adopted, and Iverson

1120
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: is like the son of some contractor filing cabinet maker

1121
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: or whoever that worked on your house, right, but also

1122
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: half Robinson. I will also.

1123
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: Say, Roman sprinkles in some racism here to really get

1124
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: Ken go in. But again Ken reacts in the most

1125
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: horrifically another really scary moment where he just grabs Roman's

1126
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: face and pushes his thumbs into the scars, and it

1127
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: is like so horrific.

1128
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: And everybody is watching this there. Can you imagine you're

1129
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: sitting there trying to watching it.

1130
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 2: The mail room guy is watching it, even watching everyone

1131
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: is watching, not even just like Jerry and the people

1132
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: who are in that room, Like everyone is watching this,

1133
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: and it is the most unseerious shit you've ever seen.

1134
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: Even if they'd gotten Shived to agree to the vote,

1135
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: this whole thing is proof that those three shouldn't be

1136
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: able to vote, and their votes would easily be able

1137
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: to be like null and void in some kind of

1138
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: boardroom takeover.

1139
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Shiv was like, get off of him, and then

1140
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: Roman is like, don't touch Shiv because she's pregnant. What

1141
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: the fuck? And then Shiv managed just to slip out.

1142
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: She gets back in the.

1143
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: Room and those two just fight.

1144
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: And those two just fight for another couple of seconds,

1145
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: and it just fucking happens. By the time Ken gets

1146
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: in there, it's fucking over. It's over.

1147
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: He stands up and he's like after him and Roman

1148
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: are fighting, and he's like, we got it, we got it.

1149
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: Let's go to Frank, there's still a route here, there's

1150
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:47,919
Speaker 2: still a part.

1151
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: We could still do it, we can still do it.

1152
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: And Roman's like, no, we're nothing, man like, we're's fucking done.

1153
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: We're bullshit. And then Ken goes in and he's like,

1154
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 2: so where are we Let's and his hairs all fucked

1155
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: up and everyone just seen him have the fight and

1156
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 2: he's like, he's like, where are we. Let's let's in

1157
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: the vote. Let's just the vote. He looks like his

1158
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 2: hair's like gelled up, like he's in a boy band.

1159
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: He's like, we'll just hold the vote out, just hold

1160
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 2: the vote out for a little while, like and Frank, nah,

1161
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: it's done.

1162
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: Frank's Trent tells him it's over. It's done. Sorry. Thomas CEO.

1163
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: Tom walks in victorious. Uh Greg saunters up, and we

1164
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: get a taste of what the early regime, early days

1165
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: of the Tom regime will.

1166
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: Be at Goajos.

1167
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: At Gojo Go, he will first of all strap Carl

1168
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: and Frank into their golden parachutes, and honestly, like Carl

1169
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: made some you know, Frank was like, what do you

1170
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: think we're out? This is great, like awesome, and Carl

1171
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know. Maybe run it back. You

1172
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: don't want to run back, go to your fucking Greek

1173
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: island and.

1174
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: Get the truth is. This is another great example of

1175
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: getting what that is up. They're gonna get their golden parachutes.

1176
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 2: That's secure. The legacy is no longer secure, as Carl

1177
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: has now realized, because he said some mad chad mad

1178
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: shit to Tom ally and Season and was like, you

1179
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 2: are nothing, nobody cares, nobody trusts you. You will amount

1180
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 2: to zero. So I love the line. Frank's like, no way,

1181
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 2: like not Tom and Carl's like, yeah, we should have

1182
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: slit his throat in the cradle, and Frank's like yeah.

1183
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: Goes without saying that we should have done that.

1184
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: But they're fine. They got millions of dollars, billions of

1185
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,959
Speaker 2: dollars and maybe billions I think billions probably from this deal.

1186
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 2: So they're gone strapped into the golden parachutes, shut out

1187
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: of their line. But they'll do okay, they'll land softly.

1188
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll be fine. I don't don't worry too much

1189
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: about Frank and Carl. Jerry will stay on because, in

1190
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 1: Tom's view, she knows, she knows how this nightmare circus works, and.

1191
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: She's one of the only people who actually knows how

1192
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 2: to do her job.

1193
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: She knows how to fucking do her job. HUGO, sorry

1194
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: about it, my guy, You're out. Caroline is gonna Caroline

1195
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: day on. And Greg is like, what about me? What

1196
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: about what about myself? Where do I land in all

1197
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: of this? And Tom's like, well, you're fucked, man. You

1198
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: know you make two hundred thousand as an assistant. That's

1199
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: gonna come way down. It's gonna come way down. You're

1200
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: gonna fucking get killed on salary. You're gonna get absolutely murdered.

1201
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: But and then he puts a sticker, one of his

1202
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: black stickers, on Greg's forehead. I got a place for you, buddy.

1203
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, I'm gonna save you because he owns

1204
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 2: Greg now and yes, Miles, Greg loves it. Greg wants

1205
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: to be involved.

1206
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: He's in. And then we get these wonderful little mini scenes,

1207
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: wordless of the three siblings in the wake of all this. Connor,

1208
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: we don't care. He's fine.

1209
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: He's what he's doing.

1210
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: There is Roman at a bar, and you get the

1211
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: sense that he will be fucking fine, like mentally, of course,

1212
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a tragedy that they've lost control of

1213
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: their father's empire. It is so heartbreaking and all they

1214
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: have to to assuage their feelings is just billions and

1215
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: billions of dollars that they will get for the sale.

1216
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: But is that really enough? No, but Roman will be

1217
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: okay y Psychologically, I seem cho logic.

1218
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 2: He has reached his rock bottom, and I think it's

1219
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: very sad to see him alone in this moment if

1220
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 2: you ignore the fact he's terrible person.

1221
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: But like the.

1222
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 2: Route that he has gone on this season has been

1223
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: incredibly bleak. But I think that you're right, Roman's alone. Really,

1224
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: Roman was kind of always alone, so women probably be fine.

1225
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: Roman is the same. Can we see walking through Battery

1226
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: Park looking fucking shell shocked again? It's it's very you know,

1227
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: a couple of dozens of billions of dollars in cash

1228
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: and stock. It's cold comfort when what you wanted was

1229
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: the company.

1230
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he needed this, This is all he could do.

1231
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: What's this? He doesn't know, but he's entitled to do it.

1232
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: He wanted to do it, and now he can't do it.

1233
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: Now he can't do it, and now all he has

1234
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: is like, you know, what's the sale? Price like ninety

1235
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: eighty something, and he's.

1236
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 2: Going like ten billion dollars nothing, that means nothing. What's

1237
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: he gonna do anything?

1238
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: What can you do with that?

1239
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 2: You can't do nothing.

1240
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: So he's so he's shell shocking. He's walking around and

1241
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: Colin is following him from ten steps behind, as he

1242
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: will do for the rest of his life. And we

1243
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: notice that, by the way, have to have to have

1244
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: to say when you know Ken was attempting to scoop

1245
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: out Roman's eyeballs in the conference room and then was

1246
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: turning into a scuffle. Where was Colin? Colin was out there, Colin,

1247
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: Colin can't wait to not take a bullet for Ken.

1248
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Colin, I know. I was watching it. I was like,

1249
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 2: is Colin actually just gonna like push Kendall into the war?

1250
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think he's. Like, this is

1251
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 2: not a man who's there through loyalty. This is a

1252
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: man who's there through blackmail and threats. Like, I don't

1253
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 2: know how long Kendall's gonna survive.

1254
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: They apparently did a scene where Ken goes over to

1255
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: to go over the railing and Colin pulls it back,

1256
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: but then went with the scene we see and then

1257
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: we see Tom riding off in some beautiful European luxury

1258
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: automobile with Shiv the power Couple ascendant. He lays his

1259
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: hand on the middle armrest with his palm upwards, and

1260
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: then she places her palm on his. Her hand. You

1261
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: couldn't say they were intertwined, but it's more like her

1262
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: hand laying openly on his. And that is the end

1263
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: of the series. An incredible series. I must ask now

1264
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: our final prompts, what do you think happens with everyone?

1265
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: We kind of talked about Roman, but where does everyone?

1266
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: Where does Shiv end up? Where does Ken end up?

1267
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 1: Where does Connor? I guess we'll do Connor. Where does

1268
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: Connor and Will?

1269
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: I think Connor from Will end up living in that house,

1270
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: being incredibly unhappy. I think that's the true ending of

1271
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: everything that is in all. I was singing about this

1272
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: a lot when I was writing about the show. They

1273
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: all end the show exactly where they began it, just

1274
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 2: exceptionally wealthy and incredibly unhappy, and I think that continues.

1275
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: I think Connor and Willa have the best chance of

1276
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 2: making it because they have some weird shit going on there,

1277
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 2: Like maybe they'll just end up being in like an

1278
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 2: open relationship and having all their lovers live in the

1279
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: giant house like I see a version where they could

1280
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 2: be okay. I think Shive and Tom are immensely successful

1281
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 2: and deeply deeply depressed. I also my friend James, who

1282
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 2: I watched Succession. We always watch it and talk about

1283
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: it afterwards. He made a great point when I was

1284
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:41,879
Speaker 2: talking about everyone having their just desserts. In this episode,

1285
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: Shit essentially becomes Lady Caroline. She is a trophy wife

1286
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: of a figurehead of wealthy woman who has zero power

1287
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 2: in the business space that she's in, but will likely

1288
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time influencing Tom's choices. And she's

1289
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 2: about to have a kid who she's already admitted she

1290
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 2: will not raise, will be raised by nannies. And I

1291
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: think in that way she gets another incredibly depressing kind

1292
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 2: of situation where I think the hardest one to call.

1293
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: Where do you see Kendall? Where does he go from her?

1294
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 2: Does he come back with some terrible tech start up?

1295
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 2: Does he try and make it come back?

1296
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: I think, Ken listen, Shive magnanimously offered to for no fee,

1297
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: just give her brothers the IP for the hundred.

1298
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: You know, she was like, I'll do that for free,

1299
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: because a.

1300
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: Love you can just have that you want, you want

1301
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: to have that be your little startup. I think Ken

1302
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: goes back to something like that. I think, whether it's

1303
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: the hundred or something else, you know, Logan once famously

1304
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: said to his kids, make your own damn pile. You know,

1305
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: why are you fighting over my shit? Go make your

1306
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: own money. And I think that Ken will eventually. I

1307
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: think this is obviously going to be the defining thing

1308
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: of his life, losing his dad's company. But I think

1309
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: that he will attempt various schemes to make his own pile,

1310
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: none of them being quite successful enough. But not to worry,

1311
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: because he's got so much money that he can just keep.

1312
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: He could never spend it.

1313
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: He can never spend it all. He'll be fine, rom

1314
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: and we said, will be fine.

1315
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: I want to put a prompt you. I think that

1316
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 2: this is a show where everybody, for the most part,

1317
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 2: has gotten what they deserve in like a bad way,

1318
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: because these are bad people. I think, if there is

1319
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 2: a true winner at succession in a non existential Tom style,

1320
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: you won, but you're trapped in a hell of your

1321
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 2: own making. I think it's Jerry. Because Jerry was there,

1322
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 2: I think you're to sign the Golden Parachute deal, which

1323
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure she will still get because she was there

1324
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 2: to legally sign it. She's going to get her huge

1325
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: payoff for putting up with the Roys bullshit. And then

1326
01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 2: if she wants to, if she is so inclined, she

1327
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: has a choice to be a part of this other Gojo,

1328
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 2: go and stay in this space that she's kind of

1329
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: been now. Jerry's not a great person because Jerry enabled

1330
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 2: the Roys for a long time, but within the logic

1331
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 2: and rules of the show, she is one of the

1332
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 2: few people who ever tried to hold them accountable even

1333
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 2: a little bit and kind of call them on that bullshit.

1334
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 1: I agree with you there, and I think honestly Frank

1335
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: and Carl too.

1336
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: They got out.

1337
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: They go Carl, congratulations. Your Greek Island is on the docket.

1338
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: Here it comes. I want to see that anymore.

1339
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 2: The Greek Island Summer Holiday spin off.

1340
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: I think, what is so wonderfully tragic and really what

1341
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: makes this show so good and so high quality and

1342
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: so timeless feeling in the way that it, you know,

1343
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: evokes our emotions and allows us to ride along with

1344
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 1: these characters who fucking suck. It's that it's pure tragedy

1345
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 1: in the most definitional sense of classic tragedy.

1346
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 2: The character.

1347
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: These characters have a fatal flaw, each of them right,

1348
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: and there really is no there's two moves that succession has,

1349
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:24,919
Speaker 1: which is the Roys try to get their dad's company

1350
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: and they fail. That's it. That's the cycle. And the

1351
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: show shows you that again and again and again and

1352
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: heightens the way that they lose it exponentially each time,

1353
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: so that it so that despite the fact that there

1354
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: really is this very methodical and one note kind of predictable, predictable,

1355
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: they're gonna lose it. You know they're gonna lose it.

1356
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: But the question is how and how devastating will it

1357
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: be and how hard will they try to win it

1358
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 1: only to lose it this time and each time they

1359
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: lose it because of the fatal flaw. I think about

1360
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 1: like Shiv. Shiv is the woman, you know, the feminist

1361
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: who told a woman, a survivor of sexual assault at

1362
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: the hands of the people who worked for her father's company,

1363
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: to just take the fucking money, just take the money.

1364
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: And she will constantly sell out.

1365
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,600
Speaker 2: And when she was bonding with Matson. As soon as

1366
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: he told her about Ebba, she immediately went into pr mode.

1367
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: How can we silence her, I'll deal with this, I

1368
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 2: can help you deal with this, don't worry about it.

1369
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 2: She constantly sell out her own morals that don't exist, that.

1370
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: She pretends they exist because she thinks it helps her

1371
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: in the realm of like public consumption, but it doesn't.

1372
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: And if she has a fatal flaw, it's that she's

1373
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: very smart but thinks she's smarter than she is. Ken.

1374
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: Ken's fatal flaw is that he fucking can't close. He

1375
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 1: just can't get there and closed in Tileman and arrogance.

1376
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,919
Speaker 1: In fact, that is something Nao Sha.

1377
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 2: He has that exact same problem that Shiv has in Barbados,

1378
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 2: but it has plagued him throughout his whole life. He

1379
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 2: expects the wind before has happened. He can't close. He

1380
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 2: never makes the deal. He just expects the deal to

1381
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 2: come to him.

1382
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: And then Roman, who I think you could argue, is

1383
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: maybe the most talented in terms of a social you know,

1384
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: in terms of the part of the job that is,

1385
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: in Lucas's words, vibe checks is just like hanging out

1386
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: and talking shit with other powerful people. I mean, you'd

1387
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: say Roman was weirdly the most the most able to

1388
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: do that. You think about the way he you know,

1389
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: initially before his downfall, the way he related to Makan

1390
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 1: was both of them roasting each other. He understood on

1391
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 1: an instinctive level that powerful people want to feel like

1392
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: there is something that awakens their cruelty when you just

1393
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 1: lay down. You need to spar with them just enough

1394
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: that they feel like you're on their level. And Roman

1395
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: weirdly understood that. But his fatal flaw is that he

1396
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: just couldn't in victory. He needed to destroy himself. Yeah,

1397
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 1: when he does, be sure he got the big energy

1398
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,440
Speaker 1: spot at the funeral, he blew it. He blows it constantly.

1399
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: And the fact that these characters just did those fatal

1400
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: flaw like self destructions again and again and again, and

1401
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: yet every time you're just like, holy shit, I can't

1402
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: believe it happened again. Yeah, that is really that is

1403
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: hard to.

1404
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: Do and is what makes this show so unbelievable writing.

1405
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,799
Speaker 2: It's just such a powerful show. And I love how

1406
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 2: we had all kinds of theories and predictions and were

1407
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 2: wondering about the way that they would end this show

1408
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: and how out there they would go with it. But

1409
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 2: the truth is the reason this hit so hard and

1410
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 2: feels like the perfect finale is it follows those established

1411
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 2: rules like you mentioned about the character archetypes, but also

1412
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 2: it is that same mix of just absolutely bleak but

1413
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 2: incredibly realistic, like the fact that these characters end the

1414
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: show wildly richer than they were before, at least in

1415
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: like liquidity and like real money that they can have,

1416
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 2: but they still have a tragic ending that's so realistic.

1417
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: Kendall will never pay for the fact that he killed someone,

1418
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 2: have accountability, so in the world of the show, they

1419
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 2: give him the most realistic punishment, which is having this

1420
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: one thing that he always wanted ripped away from him.

1421
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 2: And that is really interesting because I think in this

1422
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: trend of eat the rich kind of programming and filmmaking,

1423
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 2: which I do love, you know, the menu triangle of sadness,

1424
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: ready or not, those offer very viscerally cathartic ideas around

1425
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: how people can get their revenge. They get killed, they

1426
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: get mutilated, they get eaten, they get burned, they get

1427
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: blown up, and it's like, but succession doesn't do that.

1428
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 2: Succession works within the world and says, look, here are

1429
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 2: these people that control everything in your life. They fucking suck.

1430
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 2: They're ridiculous, And what we can do is show you

1431
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 2: the worst thing that can realistically happen to them, which

1432
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 2: is being trapped in a loveless marriage but still being

1433
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: incredibly rich, being alone and isolated in Roman's case, but

1434
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 2: still being incredibly rich. Kendall not having the thing he

1435
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 2: always felt like he was entitled to, the throne and

1436
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 2: crown that he's wanted since he was seven when he

1437
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 2: was told it was his. He can't have that, but

1438
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 2: he's still incredibly rich. And I think that's why the

1439
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,879
Speaker 2: finale hit so hard, because those rules and that cycle

1440
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: is so key to what Succession does well, and they

1441
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: totally understand that and really pulled it together. I saw people,

1442
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 2: I think it was Vanity Fair did an article where

1443
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 2: they were like, the season four of Succession was a

1444
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 2: mess until the finale. I don't agree. I thought this

1445
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: season was brilliant. But I love that even for people

1446
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: who weren't understanding or vibing with or following this season

1447
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 2: in a way that felt impactful, that finale was so

1448
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 2: strong that it pulled all of those threads together and

1449
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: made it work like that to me shows that this

1450
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 2: is not just recentcy biased or people being like, oh

1451
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 2: the finale's good. Even people who didn't like the fourth

1452
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 2: season are like, oh, this makes it work. That's how

1453
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 2: powerful it was. They can turn around somebody's view of

1454
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 2: the whole season. I personally think Succession has always been

1455
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: a show where every season is better, and I think

1456
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 2: that the fourth season follows that. But yeah, I mean,

1457
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 2: what a finale? Just unbelievable.

1458
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, did shev actually win

1459
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:29,600
Speaker 1: because Shiv uh, let's okay? So if she would have

1460
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: gotten the job that she was gunning for CEO American

1461
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: hand Pick CEO of Lucas Mattson's GOK, she would have

1462
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: been powerless, or she would have needed to be truly powerless,

1463
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: have no influence on Mattson's thinking, just be the cutout person,

1464
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: and then she'd have Tom in her pocket and not

1465
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: the other way around. But of course, like that was

1466
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 1: never gonna happen. So is this actually the best outcome

1467
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 1: for Shiv where she looked at it and said, here's

1468
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,759
Speaker 1: what keeps me in the mix. I stay by Tom's side,

1469
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm in his pocket. We've got the next in line

1470
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: of the lineage of the Roys with us, and we're

1471
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: just doing the thing that we've already been doing, but

1472
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: now we're trapped in it even more devastatingly than before.

1473
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: And unlike Ken, unlike Roman, unlike Connor who cares about Connor,

1474
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: I still am in the mix. I have Tom's ear,

1475
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: and sure Tom will never pitch Lucas on what I

1476
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: think he should do, but I'm in the mix somehow. Still.

1477
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I absolutely believe that one of my favorite I

1478
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: think there's two things that drove Shive in that moment.

1479
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 2: We get the great moment when she's in the room

1480
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 2: and theft fighting with the kids and she says to Kendall,

1481
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 2: she says, I fucking love you, but I cannot stomach you.

1482
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 2: And I saw a great tweet that really sums up

1483
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 2: I think the fifty percent of it. Somebody was like,

1484
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, I such a good tweet. I need to

1485
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 2: find it to credit person. We'll try and put it

1486
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: in the show notes. But they said, you know, people

1487
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 2: are saying Shiv, you know, voted against Kendall to save

1488
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: him from an abusive cycle. And they were like, but

1489
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 2: have you perhaps considered that she's just a hater. I

1490
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: do think that that is fifty percent of I think

1491
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 2: fifth pettiness was fifty percent she didn't want Kendall to

1492
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 2: have it. But I believe the other fifty percent was,

1493
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 2: as you pointed out, self preservation. I think Shiv weighed

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Speaker 2: up everything, all the outcomes, like doctor Strange in Infinity War,

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Speaker 2: and she worked out that that is the best outcome

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Speaker 2: for her. No question, she doesn't have to work under

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Speaker 2: Lucas Mattson. He has no influence on her life. She

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Speaker 2: does not have to be the fore guy for any

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Speaker 2: of his schemes, the bad Indian numbers. She can essentially

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Speaker 2: live as off the grid as a billionaire can raising

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Speaker 2: her baby. But I also believe that Tom is easily manipulated,

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01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 2: and if she really did want him to put in

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01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 2: things into action, she could whisper in his ear, she

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01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 2: could pass all tonguehim. She could, you know, be the

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01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 2: person who is really running the show if she wants

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01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: to put that much energy. And so I do think

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01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 2: on a power play level and who got the best

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01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: outcome in the Cynical roy overview, Shiv made the power

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Speaker 2: play move and made the right choice for her and

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01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 2: her terrible ways.

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Speaker 1: I agree, incredible series, what are close to it exactly

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01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: rewatchable show, sad to see it go, But I think

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01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: listening to Jesse on the kind of after show a

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Speaker 1: little video FEATURETTE, I do agree with them that it

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Speaker 1: logan dying, the funeral, the Gojo sale. It feels like

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Speaker 1: a natural ending place, even though it does you understand

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01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: that a writing team of this caliber could have come

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01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 1: up with something excellent, but it does feel like a

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01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: natural place to end.

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Speaker 2: We always talk about it. One of the hardest things,

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01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 2: especially if you're comic book fan, if you love TV,

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01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: is to end something on your own terms. The show

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01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 2: doesn't get canceled, the comic book doesn't get given to

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Speaker 2: someone else. So the fact that the team got to

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01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 2: end it on their own terms in a way that

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Speaker 2: feels really organic and natural and definitive, that's just a gift.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's been wonderful helping you build your bank roll

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Speaker 1: here at Market Mouza.

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Speaker 2: You should be much richer now.

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01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: You should be so so wealthy and powerful now that

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01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: you can have your own Tom. And if you're a Tom,

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01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: you can have your own Greg. And if you're a Greg,

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01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: you can hopefully work your way up by being a

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01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: pain sponge for somebody else or a pain pig for

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Speaker 1: somebody else. We wish that for you, a future of

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01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 1: sucking up to the rich, sucking the biggest dick in

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01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: the room, being the pain sponge, and riding that to

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01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: the success that you deserve. Always remember, if there's someone

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Speaker 1: rich and powerful out there, just suck their dick. We

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Speaker 1: want to leave you with that. We want to leave

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Speaker 1: with that.

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01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 2: An important life rule for everyone from Market Market Moves,

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01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 2: a show that has now been canceled by the network.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, up the next turnout.

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Speaker 2: In today's nerd out, will you tell us what you

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01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 2: love and why or a theory that you're excited to share.

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01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 2: Joe pictures us on Netflix's Vultron Legendary Defender.

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Speaker 5: Hi x ray, team and listeners, I want to share

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01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 5: the amazing content that is Netflix's Vultron Legendary Defender. This

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01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 5: series is a reboot of the original and on its

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01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 5: own fantastic animated series from the nineteen eighties, and in

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01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,879
Speaker 5: so many ways honors the original content. The newest Vultron

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01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 5: series leverages a variety of animation styles, from the expected

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01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:00,799
Speaker 5: traditional action animation to occasionally incorporating Japanese anime st including

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01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 5: to some fantastic Naruto style runs. The storyline adds a

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Speaker 5: layer of heart and emotion that most of us wouldn't

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01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 5: have expected or appreciated in the original series, tackling topics

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01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 5: like death and loss, grief, found family discrimination, and the

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01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 5: ultimate goal of protecting those you love. There's also various

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Speaker 5: levels of LGBTQ representation throughout, though potentially not as much

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01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 5: as some fans may would have liked hashtag cliants. In

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01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 5: the end, Voltron Legendary Defender gave us both a trip

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01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 5: down memory lane for US millennials and a great story

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01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 5: that continued develop across eight seasons. I tend to be

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01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 5: a bit of a heartless person, but spoiler alert, in

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01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 5: the last episode, I was full on weeping, knowing that

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Speaker 5: this was the last episode I'd see this family. I

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Speaker 5: encourage any fans of the original eighty series and anyone

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Speaker 5: looking for just a fun space rom Colm dramedy to

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Speaker 5: check out Vultron Legendary Defender on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe. If you have theories or passions you

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01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 2: want to share, hit us up at x ray at

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01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 2: crooked dot com. Instructions in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: That's it for us, Rosie and he plugs plugs.

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01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 2: Wait here, I'm here. I'm here on xtra Vision with you,

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01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 2: doing this cool show twice a week. I'm on letterbox,

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Speaker 2: Rosie marks. You can also find my writing at places

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01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 2: like ign, Polygon, Den of Geek. I'll have another cool

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Speaker 2: Den of Geek story coming up soon and we oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I will plug my friend Nicka Shukla, really brilliant writer.

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Speaker 2: He is currently writing Spider Man India. That book's going

1582
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 2: to be coming out soon in the wake of Spider Verse,

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01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 2: so keep an eye out for that, and we'll also

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Speaker 2: have him on the show soon.

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Speaker 1: Love to hear it. Catch the next episode of X

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Speaker 1: ray Vision on Friday, June second, where we will discuss

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Speaker 1: all things across the Spider Verse and along with an

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01:27:54,840 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: interview with director Kemp Powers. Cannot wait to see across

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Speaker 1: the Spider Verse.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to see it. Subscribe on YouTube, where you

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Speaker 2: can watch four episodes of the show and check out

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Speaker 2: our discord to meet and hang with tons of amazing

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Speaker 2: fans and listeners plus me and Jason.

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Speaker 1: We're they're five star ratings, five star reviews. You know,

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Speaker 1: we gotta have him, you gotta give it to us.

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Speaker 1: Here is one from Still Dixie Landings to me knowledgeable,

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Speaker 1: great team and lots of fun. Thank you, Still Dixie Landings.

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Speaker 1: Extra Vision is a Crooked Media production. Show is produced

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Speaker 1: by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin and executive produced by

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Speaker 1: me Jason Simps You and Our. Editing and sound design

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Brian Basquez for a theme. See you

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Speaker 1: next time.

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Speaker 2: Go on.

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01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: Hey Mike, this is his stuff from Marine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Gojo sale today. You know,

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01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm a guy. Let's just call him a sore so

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01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 1: talk about it on background. I think your listeners might

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01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: find this really interesting. I got a buddy of mine.

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01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,759
Speaker 1: We go to the Giants games together. We've had season

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01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: tickets together for a long time. We go see the

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01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: Mets all the time. He's a buddy of mine for like,

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01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: we go way back. Anyways, he's let's just say he

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01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 1: works for ken Uh And apparently in the wake of

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01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: the deal, Ken was crying. His hair was all must up.

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01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: They said there. He said there was a fight, the

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01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: kids were fighting. Ken tried to scoop his brother's eyes out.

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01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 1: He walks down to the battery. He almost jumps in

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01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: the drink, and my buddy had the apparently get him

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01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: out of there. And guess here's another thing. My buddy says,

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01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: it's not the first time Ken's been in the water,

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01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: and he like, he just left it at that. He

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01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 1: left it very very cryptic in that kind of way.

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01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: And let me tell you some of them. My guy Collin, Sorry,

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01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: edit that out. Whatever I just said. The name, I

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01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: just say, can you edit that out, Mike? No, Okay, Well,

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01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is my guy is just

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01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: h or my girl or whoever he is. He uh,

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01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: it doesn't know. He's a very straight spoken kind of guy,

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't always speak in riddles like that, Mike.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's something serious going on. And that's

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Speaker 1: all I have to say on the Goko deal. Mike.

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01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: I'll take my hands off the end.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.