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Speaker 2: Into the uptime for the touchdown, Hollywood Brown has been spectacular.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Underground presented by Pacific Office Automation. Visit

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Speaker 2: Problem solved touchdown Tyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 2: All that was nasty right there right.

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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 1: the team, Break it On, Break it.

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Speaker 3: On, Tuckdown. Saving Colin swam to the ground by fooda

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Speaker 3: baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 3: I skirting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 3: This seems like a really good opportunity considering the news

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Speaker 3: the last twenty four to thirty six hours here on

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Speaker 3: card Was Underground. Paul Calvc, Danny Sirek, Darren Urban. To

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Speaker 3: remind you that there are five I said five, count

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Speaker 3: them five Purge movies. The Purge, the Purge Anarchy, the

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Speaker 3: Purge Election Year, the First Purge, the Forever Purge, and

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Speaker 3: then Purge roster reconstruction, which continues into October a new punter.

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Speaker 3: Moments before we cracked these microphones, we had changes in

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Speaker 3: the secondary coming off that game at the forty nine Ers.

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Speaker 3: So Darren, you wrote all about it Aisycardinals dot com.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, fill in some of the blanks and some

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Speaker 3: of the names that are coming and going.

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Speaker 2: Well. I mean, first of all, Paul, I'm surprised you.

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Speaker 2: You didn't want to just take the punter stuff yourself.

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Speaker 2: You are a punter guy. No, and so the change

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Speaker 2: in punter, but yeah, they moved on from Nolan Cooney,

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Speaker 2: which I guess I'm a little surprised he had. He

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Speaker 2: had one very bad punt at the end of the

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Speaker 2: San Francisco game, but his other two punts were pretty

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Speaker 2: good good.

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Speaker 3: I thought maybe he might be on double secret probation

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Speaker 3: as possible. I didn't really expect to change, but I'm

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Speaker 3: guessing maybe it was necessitated or they viewed it as

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Speaker 3: an opportunity. When the punter whose name actually Blake Gillikin Gillikin,

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Speaker 3: not Gilligan not like Island, but Gillikin Gillikin.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, not like Gilligan's Island, which is a TV show

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Speaker 2: that was from the sixties, which is a little bit

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Speaker 2: older than Happy Days, which a local columnist decided a

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Speaker 2: reference in a column the other day, which was really

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Speaker 2: kind of funny to me because somebody like Danny has

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Speaker 2: no idea what that's all about.

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Speaker 4: I have heard of those shows. I've seen a few

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Speaker 4: minutes of Happy Days, But Danny does the newspaper. What's

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Speaker 4: a column?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well Danny does know Gilligan hats though, courtesy of

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton. Correct, so we do have that out there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Blake Gillikin is the new pontery. He punted

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Speaker 2: for the Saints the last two years and then lost

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Speaker 2: the punting battle in training camp this year, so they

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Speaker 2: brought him in and honestly, I I'm sure he can

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Speaker 2: do a fine job. Pney. My first thought is again,

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Speaker 2: that's the holder for Matt Prater, who's off to a

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Speaker 2: good start this year eight for nine, so you wonder

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Speaker 2: a little bit about that. They also moved up safety

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Speaker 2: Joey Blunt, who they just got off onto the practice

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Speaker 2: and they got rid of a couple of DB's Chris

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Speaker 3: At the very beginning of the forty nine Ers game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, I'm wondering if that's JG or the

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Speaker 2: And then again, like I said, Christian Matthew moves on.

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Speaker 2: So as of this recording, they still have a couple

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Speaker 3: I'll say this, if Joey Blunt, the safety they called up,

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Speaker 2: Were a good day out there.

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Speaker 3: Point you realize the importance of a Buddha Baker. How

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Speaker 3: Buddha Baker in a lot of waste is singular. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I asked at halftime Rob Frederickson, and I asked Lorenzo

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Speaker 3: If you would have had Buddha Baker, how different would

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Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey, for example, could you make that pretty rare

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Speaker 3: who would have shadowed Dare I say traveled with Christian

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Speaker 3: And I'm just curious what the Cardinals do differently defensively,

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Speaker 4: He had a hat trick in the first half, three

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Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey though, Brandon I Yuk was a problem yep,

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Speaker 4: and he was sorry go Devils. Oh did he go

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Speaker 4: to Asu?

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Speaker 2: How could you even ask that question? Of course he did?

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Speaker 4: How could you ask how could I ask that question?

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Speaker 3: When I just asked that question, Danny for this moment,

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Speaker 3: you're dead to Darren just going to say that because

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Speaker 4: Get up and leave, do I have to finish the podcast?

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Speaker 4: Where was I? My point being, Brandon Ayuk was a problem.

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Speaker 4: Agree that when they rematch, I believe in December, right

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Speaker 4: account for Christian McCaffrey. You cannot have somebody running all

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Speaker 4: and there are other aspects given. Yes, George Kittle wasn't

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Speaker 3: Did anyone ask Nick Rollis or any member of the

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing is, like, I don't I had

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Speaker 2: nobody asked Rales that. I don't know if anybody asked

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Speaker 2: don't you make adjustments to stop Ayuk and but like

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Speaker 3: To me, I mean, George Kittle had one target, one catch,

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Speaker 3: But there's no doubt Brockberdy was seeing the field and

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Speaker 2: If he had time, which is a big thing for me.

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Speaker 2: a play, I mean, Brandon and I you killed him. Yes,

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Speaker 2: We've got to really adjust to him, you know what

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so, And look, I think that's why Jonathan

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Speaker 4: There's a reason forty nine Ers are one of two

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Speaker 3: We could probably have a healthy debate San Francisco forty

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Speaker 3: I don't know, is that sort of a hollow platitude

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Speaker 3: a way. I I mean, is that revisionist history? Because hello, GM,

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Speaker 2: See, I was the other way. I honestly, the first

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Speaker 3: And it was just this, What were the final scores

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Speaker 3: here it is thirty eight thirteen, thirty eight to ten.

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Speaker 3: you go, completely different. I mean Mexico City was not competitive.

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Speaker 2: That's that was the thing that really tuck out to

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Speaker 3: It's long been decided because for me road.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's busier than Darren Rman after a game. I will

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure Hard Knocks felt the same way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So look, I mean, you got a Cardinals team

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Speaker 4: The defense ranks bottom half, bottom third in most categories

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Speaker 3: Lou An Roumo, who actually interviewed for the Cardinals head

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Speaker 2: It's it's not a direct parallel by any stretch of

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Speaker 2: this season, this, this what they're doing right now reminds

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Speaker 3: And then there's just historically how much change there is

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Speaker 3: The Giants. Yes, look at those three teams right there,

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Speaker 2: How about the other way around, Paul, Okay, let's go

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Speaker 2: Houston Texans. Yeah, that team that the Cardinals need to

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Speaker 3: Yes, like last year Jacksonville had the first pick in

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Speaker 3: The teams at the bottom can turn it around.

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Speaker 2: So as of right now, everybody, I think the the

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm pretty sure Chicago has one and two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's so, we're at the quarter pole

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Speaker 3: actually looking at, you know, where the draft would stand

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Speaker 3: at this point. You're getting some early returns on teams.

436
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Speaker 3: I get it. But the quarter pole also means that

437
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Speaker 3: a certain quarterback is eligible to come off the pup list.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point.

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Speaker 3: Where are we in that whole process? And it has

440
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Speaker 3: been a process, it will be a process, but and

441
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Speaker 3: I get it. We probably won't get a definitive read

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Speaker 3: until about twenty four hours from this recording Wednesday, practice day. Correct.

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Speaker 3: At mean at that point you're going to know whether

444
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Speaker 3: he's going to be acting this week or now.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling pretty confident Kyler Murray is not going to

446
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Speaker 2: have his practice win to open this week.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know who?

448
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Speaker 4: I am semi confident. Will Who's that ricky cornerback Garret Williams.

449
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Speaker 4: Really it is interesting to me that you cut two cornerbacks.

450
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Speaker 4: He has been rehabbing. Williams towards ACL last October. Hasn't

451
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Speaker 4: seen the field obviously throughout off season or anything like that.

452
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Speaker 4: But when we've been out at practice during the open

453
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Speaker 4: media portion, Williams is on the NiFi. It's similar to

454
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Speaker 4: the pup list. He's not allowed to practice, he's not

455
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Speaker 4: allowed to do any drills, he's not allowed to pick

456
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Speaker 4: up a football. But he has been more and I

457
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Speaker 4: guess as active as you can be around that position

458
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Speaker 4: group and watching drills more closely, and so to me

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Speaker 4: that that could possibly mean maybe he doesn't have as

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Speaker 4: much rehab he's having to do. Maybe they are expecting

461
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Speaker 4: him to return soon, and so right everybody wants to

462
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Speaker 4: make sure that he is not just understanding the scheme,

463
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Speaker 4: but understanding how practice works, right of like, what is

464
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Speaker 4: the process of practicing? That could be me seeing something

465
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Speaker 4: and it's not anything at all. But I think when

466
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Speaker 4: you make the move to release Chris Boyd and Christian

467
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Speaker 4: Matthew and your rookie cornerback is now eligible to come

468
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Speaker 4: off the NFI list, makes me question and if those

469
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Speaker 4: decisions are correlated, do you know.

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Speaker 3: Garrett Williams could walk through here right now? I would

471
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Speaker 3: have no idea. Honestly, see what No, that's terrible. No, honestly,

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Garrett, don't listen to this. We still love you, Garrett.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: Maybe because I missed him on the draft day or

476
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Speaker 3: what we're on the air or something. I'm not sure

477
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Speaker 3: how it is, but I had a press conference, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Where were you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I must have missed that somehow. I don't know

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Speaker 3: why or how, Paul. But I very much welcome, welcome

481
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Speaker 3: his presence. I mean, that would be great news, Danny

482
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Speaker 3: if all of a sudden he's out there Wednesday practice. Now,

483
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Speaker 3: I don't expect him to play on Sunday. Who knows.

484
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Speaker 3: And there's a three week window to actually three to.

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Speaker 2: Be again, there's not only a three week window to

486
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Speaker 2: be activated with the fifty three man roster, but just

487
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Speaker 2: once you're put on the fifty three man roster, there's

488
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Speaker 2: no rule that says you have to be active.

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Speaker 3: You're right, So you could you could have three.

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Speaker 2: Weeks, they could activate you to the fifty three man roster,

491
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Speaker 2: and then they could still keep you inactive for a

492
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks if they wanted to. Got it, so,

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Speaker 2: you know, who knows what that means in terms of

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Speaker 2: when he might get back on the field. I understand

495
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Speaker 2: Danny's right in terms of the numbers to kind of

496
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Speaker 2: how it goes and we'll see where it ends up.

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Speaker 2: But even though they I don't know why they would

498
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Speaker 2: cut a cornerback this week, Garrett Williams is absolutely going

499
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Speaker 2: to be a guy that's not going to be on

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Speaker 2: the active roster right away. That would stun me. He

501
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Speaker 2: hasn't played football or practice football since October right November

502
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Speaker 2: whenever he's glad his last October, so I mean even

503
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Speaker 2: more so than Kyler, He's gone even longer without practicing football.

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Speaker 3: And once again, like we mentioned earlier, Chris Boyd and

505
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Speaker 3: Christian Matthew were involved as some of the extracurriculars, some

506
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Speaker 3: of the non winning behavior if you will, during the

507
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Speaker 3: game against the forty nine ers and when you're at

508
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Speaker 3: the very end of the fifty three. Yeah, guess what.

509
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Speaker 3: Tolerance is not nearly as high as if you're an

510
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Speaker 3: All pro player.

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Speaker 4: Seems like that no fighting role from training camp extends

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Speaker 4: beyond training camp.

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Speaker 3: Hashtag non negotiable. Those are the words from Johnathan remember that,

514
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Speaker 3: So maybe that was in play all right, So let's

515
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Speaker 3: go from one third round rookie to another. How about

516
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Speaker 3: that for a segue into Michael Wilson. It's like your

517
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: professional Paul, Michael Wilson's too.

518
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Speaker 4: Busy working on the segways to go meet Garrett Williams.

519
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Speaker 3: I need to wow, that's okay. I need to be

520
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Speaker 3: better that. You know what, that's non winning behavior. The

521
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Speaker 3: fact that Garret Williams could be walk right through here.

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Speaker 3: I have to see you.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say it's non winning behavior,

524
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Speaker 2: that you would admit it on the podcast.

525
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Speaker 3: Well that too. Yeah, sometimes you know you're right. I

526
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Speaker 3: have been excused to Paul's.

527
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Speaker 4: Defense, there are players where so many players are coming

528
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Speaker 4: in and having workouts, or they are assigning to the

529
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Speaker 4: practice squad, or you know, there's so much movement that

530
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Speaker 4: there are players who don't play it, and I walk

531
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Speaker 4: past them and I think I need to go look

532
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Speaker 4: at the roster and see who that is.

533
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Speaker 2: It's just it's just just don't call the punter Gilligan

534
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: and you'll be okay. And by the way, I got

535
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Speaker 2: to say real quick, that's the most disappointing part of

536
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Speaker 2: where we've had to end up musically with the podcast

537
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: is because the end of this podcast would have gone

538
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Speaker 2: the outro song would have been Gilligan's Island, because that's

539
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Speaker 2: what Omo did, so.

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Speaker 3: Right, gotcha?

541
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Speaker 2: Okay, I missed those days.

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Speaker 3: Once again, in my own defense, nobody has had more

543
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Speaker 3: new players added to the roster than the Arizona Cardinals

544
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenties?

545
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Speaker 4: Is that because purge thing I formerly and I formally

546
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Speaker 4: apologize for ruining your segue. It was good.

547
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Speaker 3: I was going somewhere.

548
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Speaker 2: I'm trying Michael Williams, trying.

549
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Speaker 4: To Michael Wilds.

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Speaker 3: Right. Okay, So first off, and I never asked this.

551
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Speaker 3: I want to. It wasn't worthy of a question on

552
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Speaker 3: the air because you know we're moving along postgame. I

553
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 3: want to ask him, why did you say both footballs?

554
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Speaker 3: I mean, really both footballs? You know, I don't know

555
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Speaker 3: he had two parents in attendance of the game. Maybe

556
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Speaker 3: given one.

557
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Speaker 2: He didn't fit save all of them or no, no,

558
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Speaker 2: not fits. I don't know, but somebody did.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember last time I saw somebody save two

560
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Speaker 3: Smith the same same game. Did he hemm a.

561
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Speaker 2: Smith diduse then he started we chipping them and selling them.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, yeah, then they'll send it

563
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Speaker 3: up on eBay at some point. Okay, so there's Michael

564
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: Wilson and at some point it was a little quiet

565
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 3: to start, but then he got that thirty three yarder.

566
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Speaker 3: And by the way, I sort of saw that coming

567
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Speaker 3: because he had beaten his man on a go route

568
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Speaker 3: down the Cardinals sideline and a number of Cardinals were

569
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Speaker 3: screaming on the sideline. Oh for damn dudes. Then like

570
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Speaker 3: they're coming back to that, and they did come back

571
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Speaker 3: to that, and they hit him and they nailed it,

572
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Speaker 3: and then boom, all of a sudden, Niners had a

573
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Speaker 3: real issue with Michael Wilson. But guys and Darren, we've

574
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Speaker 3: gotten into this in the past. Okay, two years ago,

575
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Speaker 3: I think it was I busted out the stat, Danny.

576
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Speaker 3: I busted it out because Darren was giving me a

577
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Speaker 3: hard time, but I found it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: The lowest hit rate of any position group drafted in

580
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Speaker 3: the first round of the rookie season is wide receiver.

581
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Speaker 3: I don't know why, but receivers historically have had more

582
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Speaker 3: of an issue getting traction right away than any other

583
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Speaker 3: position group as rookies.

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Speaker 2: I could use that stat by the way, for a

585
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Speaker 2: story this week, Pauls. So get that to me off

586
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Speaker 2: the end.

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Speaker 3: So there's Michael Wilson, and I just think, you know,

588
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Speaker 3: he not only is he a third rounder, not only

589
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 3: did he not even play a complete season at Stanford

590
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: he was so injured, but now to be doing this.

591
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Speaker 3: And here's another little factoid somebody threw out there. It

592
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: was a scout did a blog and they said there

593
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Speaker 3: were two receivers who just dominate who balled at the

594
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Speaker 3: Senior Bowl. Yeah, Michael Wilson, correct, and Puka Nikua. Those

595
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: were the two guys at the Senior Bowl. How ironical

596
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: is that that?

597
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: You know what?

598
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: That's carried over into the first month of the NFL season.

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Speaker 2: I talked to Michael william Wilson a little bit this week,

600
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to keep calling him Michael Williams for

601
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Speaker 2: some reason. I talked to Michael Wilson a little bit

602
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Speaker 2: this week about that, and he it's funny for all

603
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: the injuries and the crap that he went through at Stanford,

604
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: barely playing because he was hurt all the time. He

605
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Speaker 2: acknowledged that he thinks one of the reasons he's had

606
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Speaker 2: early success is because of his age, and he goes,

607
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Speaker 2: I know twenty three isn't a lot different than twenty one,

608
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Speaker 2: but he goes, I would not do what I'm doing

609
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Speaker 2: right now if I would have come to the league

610
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: last year or the year before, and if he hadn't

611
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: gotten hurt, he would have come in the league last.

612
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Speaker 3: Year because of his maturity.

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Speaker 2: Is that what he's saying. He's just yeah, he's just

614
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: more of an adult. He's just he just he gets

615
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: it and he didn't get it. Now there's other things involved.

616
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy who trained basically from

617
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Speaker 2: as soon as he got to college. He hooked up

618
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: with the former receiver TJ. Hushman Zada, and Husha's had

619
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Speaker 2: a huge impact on I did a story on it

620
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: over the summer. I talked to t J. Hushman Zada.

621
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Speaker 2: He's had a huge impact on Wilson, not only training

622
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Speaker 2: him how to be an NFL receiver, but also basically

623
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Speaker 2: serving as a hype man and getting Michael Wilson's confidence

624
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 2: at a pretty lofty level. And that's also helped him,

625
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: he said, But I think it's been He's been fantastic,

626
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: and it's, you know something, They need a big body receiver.

627
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Speaker 4: Right after walking away from DeAndre Hopkins. It's a risk

628
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 4: when you're going to rely on a rookie for that size,

629
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Speaker 4: and Michael Wilson has played well. That risk has so

630
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 4: far worked well for this team, and it seems that

631
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Speaker 4: it was worth that decision. I like that he when

632
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 4: his number is called upon in big moments, he has

633
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 4: stood up to the challenge. He has been the receiver

634
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: that has consistently made those big time plays. He leads

635
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: the team in yards after catch with sixty nine. I

636
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: believe off the top of my head he has made

637
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 4: the most of this opportunity. And you're right, Darren, it

638
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 4: seems like he just gets it in terms of the

639
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 4: work and mentality that it takes. And that's something we've

640
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: heard since training camp. He was the only rookie who

641
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: wasn't getting a lot of snaps when the starters were

642
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 4: sitting out, whether that was preseason games or whatnot. So

643
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: that's how we knew early on that this coaching staff

644
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 4: felt confident in Michael Wilson. I think that was the

645
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: question you asked Offensive Cordiner or Drew Petsing when he

646
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Speaker 4: talked to the media Tuesday.

647
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Speaker 1: And.

648
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: I he walks a fine line. I asked him. I

649
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: asked him something about his confidence, and you can see

650
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Speaker 2: he didn't say it, but you could see as he's

651
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: like mulling what to say, any kinds of smile. Look,

652
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Speaker 2: this is a guy who knows he can't come out

653
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: and say I'm all that, but it sure looks like

654
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: he's thinking that behind behind his eyes there. And that's okay.

655
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with that because I like how he

656
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: doesn't say it publicly, but he's thinking it. I think

657
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: he And that's a hushman Zada thing. Hushman Zada told me.

658
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: Whoshmanzada told me a lot of stuff about Michael William Wilson.

659
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: God dang, but he he made it very clear. And

660
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: this was right after the draft. So this is back

661
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: in May that Michael Wilson was the best receiver in

662
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: this class, hands down. He knew the other receivers, he

663
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: knew who was out there, he had seen them play.

664
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: There was no question in his head who the best

665
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: receiver was. And he was better than a couple guys

666
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: who had gone in the first round in the previous

667
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: couple of years. And I'm like, oh yeah, wow. So

668
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: even if it's not true, that's what he's been telling

669
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson. So Michael Wilson believes in himself.

670
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: Well, if you go back to his very first press

671
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: commence after he was draft two takeaways number one, it

672
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: was a phenomenal press conference. He's so well spoken, he's

673
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: so articulate, and I'm like, Okay, this kid just showed up.

674
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: He got off the plane. He's already a top five

675
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: interview in that locker room. Number two, did he not

676
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: mention how he had sort of seen the end of

677
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: his own NFL career before it ever started, with all

678
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: the injuries. It made him appreciate, it made him truly

679
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: work to get to the Senior Bowl. Just the process

680
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: of getting to the Senior Bowl to try and showcase

681
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: his skills was such an undertaking, And maybe in some ways,

682
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: instead of him thinking, oh, I belong and I deserve this,

683
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: and I'm the man and I've arrived and I am

684
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: I going to go in the first or second round. No, instead,

685
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: he looked at himself in the mirror said you may

686
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: not make it. You may not have a future in

687
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: football because of the injuries. So maybe that served as

688
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: sort of not only inspiration motivation, but maybe reset him

689
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: humbled him a little bit if earlier he had thought, Okay,

690
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: guess what, I'm on a track to being a big

691
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: time star.

692
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: Are I think he definitely has his head on straight.

693
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: And now that you mentioned he is such a great

694
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: interview quick quick power pole Top five quotes in the

695
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: locker room?

696
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: Where's my roster?

697
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna I'm

698
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: gonna have my own five. You guys can disagree with it.

699
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: I would definitely Michael Wilson, hump DJ humphreeze yell, the

700
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: fro Holt borderline.

701
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: What top five? This is? This is exclusive.

702
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: I would agree with with Wilson and hump Okay, but

703
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: who are you putting in there above Collins?

704
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: Zaving Collins, I'm putting in there. I like Kaiser White,

705
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: but he might give you may he might you might

706
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: get a little more emotion. Maybe this is the difference

707
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: between audio and written. I like Kaizer White, but fro

708
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: Hole gets you this. The substances is deeper. That's what

709
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: I'm saying on that one. Don't forget. That's what I'm

710
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: trying to come up with.

711
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 3: Is in there.

712
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: So that's four, Okay.

713
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: Kelvin beacham even though he haven't seen the field.

714
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: Beach is pretty good. Beach is pretty good, although Beach

715
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: can fall into cliche like I'm looking for somebody who's

716
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: gonna Dennis say a little something. Dennis, So, I think,

717
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: I think.

718
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 4: I think my three so far Michael Wilson, d J. Humphreys,

719
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 4: and Davian Collins.

720
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: You're forgetting an automatic and absolute automatic. You're forgetting Josh Dobbs.

721
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: Thank you. Four.

722
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 4: So we have saying four right now, although I don't

723
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 4: I didn't have kuys you're white.

724
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: Just for your ears and the listeners of cardinals, un belie.

725
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: This is the week I asked my question. This is

726
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 3: the week I asked Josh, let's go, let's go. This

727
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 3: is where I ask him, Josh, I'm excited, Josh. Do

728
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: you believe in aliens? That's gonna be the question.

729
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: Here for it?

730
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 3: Or should I go with UFOs? Do you believe in

731
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: UFO's or I go with it?

732
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: Well, if if you're asking about UFO, like, aren't they

733
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: tied together?

734
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

735
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 2: But like I'm thinking, if you're asking about UFOs, you

736
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 2: might as well ask about the aliens, right.

737
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking, you know, just if you're going there,

738
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: just go for the gusto, go for I believe, say.

739
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: Josh, we would like your opinion on the subject of

740
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: UFOs and aliens.

741
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right, there we go.

742
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: Oh you know who else? Is a good question? That

743
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 4: was a NASA guy, Yes, Paris Johnson Jr.

744
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty good too.

745
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 4: That might be my five right now.

746
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you guys aren't giving fro Hole

747
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: enough credit.

748
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 4: Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we're wrong,

749
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 4: and it doesn't mean that yellder forro a Hole is

750
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: not a good quote.

751
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: That's a good point.

752
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 3: You got to get him talking about his weight room

753
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: where he has the Atlas stones in there, where he's

754
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 3: Magnus for fro Hole.

755
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: He doesn't.

756
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: Yes, right, you gotta you gotta get him talking about

757
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: the weight room kind of thing. That's that's what you

758
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 3: do on that front. By the way, Paris Johnson Junior. Okay,

759
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: he made it to the through the first four games.

760
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: You saw Michael Parsons, he saw Nick Bosa, he got

761
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: a taste of Javon Hargrave. Obviously came out of the

762
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: gates with the four first round picks and the Washington

763
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: Commanders minus Chase Young and then he got Deck Lawrence

764
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: and cave On Thibodeau. What have we concluded about this

765
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: six pick? Overall? He's a dude, isn't he?

766
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: I think so. I've noticed that I interact, well, I

767
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: don't interact, but I see the comments of some fans

768
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: on some of our stories that are very anti Paris Johnson.

769
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: What any of them?

770
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 3: Okay, hit the brakes here. If I had some water

771
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: in my mouth, I do a spit take.

772
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: Why would you I'm glad this is very expensive you?

773
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Would you? Why would you do? Why would you

774
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: be anti Paris Johnson Junior? He's a rookie's four games in,

775
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: He's had a ridiculous degree of difficulty in the opponency's space.

776
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: What's not the like some of the arguments I've seen

777
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: is that he has not played well supposedly. I don't

778
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 2: know what PFF Pro Football focused grades are, and they're

779
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: talking about penalties and hold I don't know.

780
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: You know what I think of I think of Justin

781
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: Pew when I think of PFF and O line ratings.

782
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: Who's in the news because he just signed with the

783
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: New York Giants. I saw that very interesting.

784
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 4: I think practice squad.

785
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah for now that that'll be like a Roy

786
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: Lopez practice squad. He's there for like two days and

787
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: then very interesting. Christian Matthew just signed a practice squad

788
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: with the Bears. So just during this podcast, Wow, okay,

789
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 2: is there any chance? Okay, you know what, there's always

790
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: there's always a chance. There's always a chance for a

791
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: hot take, and you might want to put on the

792
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: other mits for this one. You see the social media

793
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: posts from a certain former Cardinals defensive lineman who is

794
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: back in Houston working out with the Texans staff at

795
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: like five in the morning, hitting like the weight sled

796
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: and all these other things that why would you be

797
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: doing those football specific type of workouts?

798
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 4: Uh don't.

799
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 3: And where are the Cardinals most banged up? What position group?

800
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: Might it be the same one he plays.

801
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: He's not Farvian in any way, shape or form.

802
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: JJ Watt is not coming out of retirement. I'm going

803
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 4: to be joining the Arizona Cardinals of right now. Nobody's

804
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 4: wearing ninety nine either, So I'm just like he is

805
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 4: loving life, golfing, and I don't know about sleeping in

806
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: because he's still waking up early. He's got right his

807
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: business endeavors, and he's he's raising his young sons. As

808
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 4: great as it would be for JJ to come back,

809
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 4: because I'm sure it wouldn't take long, if time at all,

810
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: for him to adjust and get out there and start

811
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 4: wrecking offenses. That is too hot of a hot take.

812
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: I'm not.

813
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: That's so hot that I'm not even gonna put it

814
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: in the podcast description.

815
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 3: When that's good, all right, you're probably doing me.

816
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: People are just gonna find it and then just their

817
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: jaws are going to drop.

818
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: He's gonna listen to this, and he's gonna respawn you

819
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 4: on Twitter like him on the golf course. Drink.

820
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: He's going to listen to.

821
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: This, Yeah, because because it can always get worse. It

822
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 3: might just now when I ask an even dumber question, potentially,

823
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: didn't he sign a broadcast deals? Isn't he doesn't he

824
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: have a studio gig this year like I.

825
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: Believe he does. Was it with CBS? Maybe? I think

826
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 4: I don't remember.

827
00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: That's a good point.

828
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: They haven't seen any of that.

829
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: You're busy on Sundays, when would you have noticed?

830
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering in game days, he's probably been broadcasting

831
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: with Garrett Williams and I just didn't know either one. Wow,

832
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: I mean, was that really was the Garrett Williams comment

833
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: that big of a misstep that that it deserves. That's right,

834
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: like repeated flogging right there.

835
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I.

836
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 3: Mean that's uh hey, did you see did you see

837
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 3: the video of that's unnecessary roughness? Did you see the.

838
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: Video of the Rondeale more out of nowhere block of

839
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 2: the defensive lineman of the forty nine.

840
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: Ers the weekend?

841
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: No, you just did that to Paul. I did not

842
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: see that. Yeah, they ran they ran Rondale. It was

843
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: he was the defensive end wide on hump, and they

844
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: ran Rondale in motion past the defensive end, and they

845
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: snapped it, and the defensive end starts going at at

846
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: hump and like obviously ignored Rondel, and Rondell just freaking

847
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: slams him on the backside and he goes flying, this

848
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: huge defensive lineman. That's that's what Danny just diad.

849
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Paul at your expense. It was just too funny,

850
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: not too by the.

851
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: Way, ronde was awful quiet in the game, wasn't he

852
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: How many targets do you have just seemed like the chemist.

853
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: There was one combination that was not clicking. It was

854
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 3: Dobbs to rondel Moore against the Niners.

855
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: I also feel like Zach Ertz that it.

856
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 3: Wasn't yeah, that's yeah, but that's been it was persistent. Fortunately,

857
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: that was a.

858
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: Weird like to play at the end of the game.

859
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: And I know it was the end of the game,

860
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: but Ertz caught it and then he ran back like

861
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: three yards and then.

862
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 3: Two targets of rondel Moore, zero catches, zero production. It's

863
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: funny because end of the week, I went in CANBR,

864
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: the Niners radio station in the Bay Area, and the

865
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 3: first question was, Okay, do you guys have your own

866
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel because they saw the forty five yard touchdown

867
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: run out of the backfield against the Dallas Cowboys, so

868
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: they all want to know, Oh, what's the Niners defense

869
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: expecting with a rondel More. They on this rondel More

870
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: kick and then had him on the big red rage

871
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: and I asked him about whether they had added running

872
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: back to his job description, and yeah, he wasn't real

873
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: forthcoming on that, So I don't know, you still think

874
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: that's in the cards? So to speak. This year.

875
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know, well, you talk about not

876
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: being used like the play that I just explained to you,

877
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: where he hit them. After he's done doing the hit,

878
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 2: he bounced back out for the quick screen and they

879
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: threw it out to him. And that was that play

880
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: that got blown up, which was really weird. Like I

881
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: would have I wouldn't have mind retweeting the video of that,

882
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: but then it ended horribly and and and apple of

883
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. You went on KMBR. That's correct, Okay, See,

884
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: because my buddy lives in in the Bay Area and

885
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: he was listening and he mentioned the fact that he

886
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: had heard a Cardinals person do an interview on CAMBR

887
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: and it wasn't me, and he was saying some not

888
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: so nice things about you. He didn't know who it was.

889
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 2: I didn't know who it was. He goes, I can't

890
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: believe it.

891
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: My friend talked, Yeah, so so ok to say, he's married,

892
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 4: so it's not anybody slander Paul's name.

893
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: He didn't know.

894
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: Only Danny can slander Paul, as she did earlier. But

895
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: when somebody else slanders Paul, it's like your little brother.

896
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: Only I can pick on my little brother. When you

897
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: pick on your little brother.

898
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: Well, now you got held that caught my ear when

899
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: you said Cam beyond, okay, we're in the trust tree.

900
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 3: What did your buddy say? What didn't he like about

901
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: the interview? Does like thea's going on?

902
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: Because it wasn't me? Oh, I say, I mean he's

903
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 2: just being loyal, Darren. I grew up with this guy.

904
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: The ego blow to both of us is I think

905
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: they went after Pashash couldn't do it, so then they

906
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: settled for one of us doing well. You know, it's

907
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 3: Greg Papa, the voice of the nice and there's that

908
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: whole Syracuse mafia again. Yet another Syracuse guy, Greg Papa.

909
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: So that's the way that works.

910
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: That's weak. Yeah, so go home, Craig Greener.

911
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: All right, what else did we miss in this edition

912
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 3: of Cardinals Underground brought to you by Pacific Office Automation, Danny,

913
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 3: Anything else that you know? Is there a burr under

914
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 3: your saddle of any sorts beyond just my comments about

915
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: Garrett Williams. Anything else that has you all worked up

916
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: that you want to, you know, share with the group.

917
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: Thinks you know something else? Can we help you out

918
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: with any other issues that might contribute to mental health.

919
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: What else do we have here? I mean, how bad

920
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: is Joe Burrow going to be? These numbers, I mean

921
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: are horrific. You realize that the Cardinals go from playing

922
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: the quarterback with the top passer rain in the NFL

923
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: Brock Party, to the quarterback with the worst passer rat

924
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: in the NFL in Joe Burrow. I mean, he's been bad.

925
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: And even Zach Taylor after this loss, the Bengals head

926
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: coach said some of the along lines of yeah, there's limitations,

927
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: admitting he's far from one hundred percent. So if he's

928
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: got a write calf injury, which he does, and he's immobile,

929
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: and where's the quote from Tyler Boyd said, well, yeah, Tennessee,

930
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: they were all out blitzing us. I don't blame teams.

931
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 3: If I was a DC, i'd do the same, meaning

932
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: our quarterback can't move.

933
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 4: If Joe Burrow weren't hurt, I would be worried for

934
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 4: a game like this, for a team like the Bengals

935
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 4: to come in and use this as the turning point

936
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: for their season. Joe Burrow seems significantly in pain because

937
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 4: it seems like every week it's a question whether or

938
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: not he's going to play, so I feel like if

939
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 4: he were healthy, that would obviously be a different story.

940
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 4: But it doesn't really seem like the Bengals until Joe

941
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 4: Burrow is able to get healthy. If he is, doesn't

942
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 4: really seem like they're going to be as formidable of

943
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: as they've been in recent years.

944
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: For example, last year they started owing too and then

945
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: they won twelve out of fourteen, won the division, went

946
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: to the AFC Championship game. I mean, here's a team

947
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 3: that the last two years has won, won a road

948
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: playoff game at cac and at Buffalo. So they have

949
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: the dudes. They have the quarterback when he's healthy, but

950
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: he's most definitely not. He got sacked three times against Tennessee.

951
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: He got hit nine times. His accuracy is horrendous. He's

952
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: like just over fifty percent completion percentage, whereas he had

953
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: been the most accurate quarterback in the NFL the last

954
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 3: couple of years.

955
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: Their offensive line is not awesome. And then you put

956
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: in the fact it's funny with Jonathan Gannon talking so much,

957
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: and the questions come up a lot, which fairly about

958
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,479
Speaker 2: how well Josh Dobbs can run, and and and being

959
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: that part of game. And you know, Jonathan Gannon basically

960
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: has said a couple of times, I don't think you

961
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: can get along in this league these days if your

962
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: quarterback can't do that. And now they're about to play

963
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: a team where that their quarterback absolutely can't do it.

964
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: Now it may be injury induced, but look, this is

965
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: this is a grand opportunity for the Cardinals to get

966
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 2: a second win, to do it against obviously a name

967
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: team that was supposed to do something this year. They're

968
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: not in the same way. But like you talk about,

969
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you had Tyler Boyd saying very straightforward, hey,

970
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: ied blitz too, Like you had Jamar Chase using F

971
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: bombs to talk about how he's open, yeah, because he's

972
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: frustrated a head. So it's it's not just that they're

973
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: not producing, but it's starting to eat at them.

974
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: Here's what's interesting. And I have to figure out the

975
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: way to ask this to the head coach so he

976
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: doesn't just shut it down as an infringement upon the

977
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: game plan. Like I have to ask this so it's

978
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: not viewed as classified information. But if everybody is blitzing

979
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, which they are, and even the Bengals players

980
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: are saying, yeah, it makes sense. I blitz my quarterback too.

981
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: Uh he's you know, everything except on crutches back there.

982
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 3: But the Cardinals have the lowest blitz rate in the league.

983
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: That's not the DNA and identity of this Cardinals defense

984
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: through four weeks. So does that go just go against

985
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: who the Cardinals defense is.

986
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you this, who who are you

987
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: looking at to blitz when you look at who's on

988
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: the roster, how they've been lining up. I mean, Buddha's hurt.

989
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 4: Buddha's not out there, like genuinely, who who couldn't this

990
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 4: Cardinals defense.

991
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: Rely on to blitz Jalen Thompson out of the slot,

992
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: a Kaiser White, Mike Backer through the A or B gap.

993
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: You can bring out, you know, a guy like a

994
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 3: Chris Barnes who can move. He could be a blitzer.

995
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: You can run some five man fronts if you want,

996
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: and I'll go. It might be a little dice you

997
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: consider how banged up you are on the d line

998
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: at this point. But there's always you know, we saw

999
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 3: some corner blitzes in the preseason. Maybe you do someone

1000
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: off the edge, a speed guy untouched and Joe Burrow

1001
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: obviously can't move right stand the play.

1002
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: I know you were saying it's not in their dna,

1003
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: But the first thing I think of when you I

1004
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: don't think it generally is in their dna. But the

1005
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: first thing I think of is when you mentioned that,

1006
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: is is both Nick Rollis and Jonathan Gannon always talking

1007
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: about we're going to true, we're gonna adapt each week.

1008
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: And and if you come in and you think Joe

1009
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: Burrow can't move and it would behoove you to bring

1010
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: some blitzers. I absolutely believe that would that could happen.

1011
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, adapt or die? Right? How many times has

1012
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon said that as one of his mantras?

1013
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: So I don't know if he said exactly that is,

1014
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: he said exactly adapt or die?

1015
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: Didn't he or die?

1016
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: I know I've heard adapt.

1017
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 3: Maybe I adapted the adapt phrase maybe into a into

1018
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: a pithy or so I thought, yeah, I'll have to

1019
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: go back and check whether it's an accurate quota.

1020
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: Use pithy enough in my life that's a good word.

1021
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 3: To use penultimate, So I didn't use it up with.

1022
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: I was waiting for you guys to say something against me. There.

1023
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So my penultimate stat that I'll throw out there

1024
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: is just that Cincinnati's offense is the lowest scoring in

1025
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 3: the league at twelve point three points per game, and

1026
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: they here's my final stat, they haven't even scored a

1027
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: touchdown in the first half. So if you can come

1028
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 3: out and grab a lead, get back to your fast

1029
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 3: start that you had in the first three weeks, and

1030
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: then maybe remove some belief because this historically has not

1031
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: been a team built to come back. The Bengals, they're

1032
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: very much predicated in a balanced offense, and when they

1033
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 3: get behind, they can't run Joe Mixon and they're just

1034
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 3: throwing it. And now your quarterbacks is sitting duck. So

1035
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: but Zach Taylor said to start the week, Joe Burrows

1036
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 3: most definitely is starting quarterback and we'll play.

1037
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 4: But the thing I'm keeping my eye on is wide

1038
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 4: receiver Jamar Chase. Right, if you're Joe Burrow, if you're

1039
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: a Jamar Chase and you're looking at, I mean, to

1040
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: be fair, if you're looking at where a consistent area

1041
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 4: that this Cardinals defense has been picked on. It's Marco

1042
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 4: Wilson and keetraw Clark.

1043
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: And you know what, the one game they won. They

1044
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: beat the Rams in week three, Danny, You're probably not

1045
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 3: surprised to learn that Jamar Chase had a dozen catches

1046
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 3: for a buck forty one. So if Jamar Chase goes off,

1047
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: guess what. Bengals usually win those games. But if you

1048
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: can get a Cardinals win in this one, you go

1049
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 3: to two and three, and then you have the Rams

1050
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 3: in week five. The Rams lost to this Bengals team

1051
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: very much a winnable game at the Rams. All of

1052
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 3: a sudden, you're three and three after six weeks. Hello,

1053
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 3: how much does that sifile?

1054
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: He he's very three and three in his first season

1055
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: after six weeks.

1056
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: I dinestly don't remember.

1057
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: I do not know that. I'm not saying that as

1058
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: a joke. I see you smiling a little bit. I'm

1059
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm just I think that that rings a bell to me.

1060
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that if you hit zoom out a

1061
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: little bit. The first four games were quite a challenge

1062
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 3: for the Cardinals. There's a stretch where you have a

1063
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: good chance to stay five hundred. And if you're staying

1064
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: five hundred going into December, guess what, you're in the

1065
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 3: running for that final wildcard.

1066
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 2: This is why it is so stupid to ever look

1067
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: at strength to schedule before the season starts, because you

1068
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: don't know, Like, the Cardinals should have beat Washington, they

1069
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: absolutely should have beat the Giants. And that's only gonna

1070
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: become more apparent as the weeks go by. They got

1071
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, okay, the forty nine ers, but the Bengals

1072
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: are struggling. The Rams are winnable.

1073
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: You know, I don't mean you still have Atlanta, you

1074
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: still have Houston.

1075
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: I mean the the Ravens are gonna have to come

1076
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: cross country.

1077
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so look, playoffs here we come. All

1078
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying is and you know what I lie, this

1079
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: is my final point. As bad as the Giants look

1080
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: a Monday night and they look bad and they give

1081
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 3: up eleven sacks, think about what they did last year.

1082
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Speaker 3: They went from a four win team that had more

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Speaker 3: than fifty million dollars in dead cap money to a

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Speaker 3: playoff spot. They won a playoff game. I mean, who

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Speaker 3: would have thought that with a Daniel Jones And so

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Speaker 3: you just never know. That's that's it's just the great essence.

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Speaker 3: I mean, who knows what's still coming from Josh Dobbs.

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Speaker 3: I mean if Josh Dobbs went out there and took

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Speaker 3: that next step against this Cincinnati defense. At this point,

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody should be shocked. Maybe the rest

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Speaker 3: of the NFL will be. But if you're Cleveland, if

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Speaker 3: you're Cleveland and you just watch dtr stink up the joint,

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Speaker 3: how disappointed are you that you only took a fifth

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Speaker 3: round pick for Josh Dobbs, who could be the answer

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Speaker 3: because they have they have everything else you need on

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Speaker 3: that team, obviously minus Nick Chubb, which is horrific, but

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Speaker 3: everything else on that team is ready to win plug

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Speaker 3: in play. The only thing that could kill that team

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Speaker 3: is a bad rookie quarterback, and that's what they have.

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Speaker 2: Now, what's what's what's the next step for Josh? You like,

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Speaker 2: if Josh Dobbs can take the next step, what's the

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Speaker 2: next step?

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Speaker 1: At this point?

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Speaker 3: The next step for me with Josh Dobbs is just

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Speaker 3: the consistency. Like we saw some missed receivers in the

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Speaker 3: first quarter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just just there was one really bad throw that

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Speaker 2: should have been in it as soon as as soon

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Speaker 2: as it left his hand, he knew it came out wrong.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know why or how that

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Speaker 3: happens exactly. But if you can get four quarters of

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Speaker 3: that sort of clean football, uh, you know, you really

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Speaker 3: just saw a second half of it against Dallas. The

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Speaker 3: numbers were great as passer eight and was one twenty,

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Speaker 3: but that obviously was boosted greatly by the sixty nine

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Speaker 3: yard connection to a wide open Michael Wilson. But if

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Speaker 3: you can actually get four quarters of that sort of

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Speaker 3: football and uh, and then the run game, I just

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Speaker 3: you know, some of the design quarterback runs and quarterback

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Speaker 3: power with Josh Dobbs, I think is is just great

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Speaker 3: stuff for this Cardinals offense. And to your point, Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Gannon values that probably more than we ever envisioned, and

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Speaker 3: I think when in hindsight now it is a huge,

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Speaker 3: if not primary, reason why they made the move away

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Speaker 3: from Colt McCoy.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it wasn't you know, it wasn't Colt's age. I

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Speaker 3: don't think it was his arm. Now, those two eleven

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Speaker 3: nine to eleven practices against the Vikings regulars, the starters

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Speaker 3: were not good, but beyond that, I just think they

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Speaker 3: really value the aspect of a quarterback giving that threat

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Speaker 3: of pulling it and running it against.

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Speaker 4: A defense, which is good news for Kyler Murray when

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Speaker 4: he returns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how many times have we all speculated, well,

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Speaker 3: geez huh, how different is the offense gonna look when

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Speaker 3: Kyler comes Well? No, why why does it have to

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Speaker 3: look that much different when Kyler comes back? Now, every

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Speaker 3: quarterback has his favorite plays, But there's been enough of

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Speaker 3: getting Josh Dobbs out into space that what the if

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Speaker 3: they would add Cole McCoy and made the transition to

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Speaker 3: a Kyler Murray. So there's another reason why they made

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Speaker 3: the move for Josh Dobbs. It's much more of a

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Speaker 3: seamless transition. Now, don't you think?

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Speaker 2: Agreed?

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Speaker 3: Okay, there we go. Darren wants to eat his trail mix.

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Speaker 2: So I was funny today, Okay, that's absolutely going in

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Speaker 2: and opening Yeah my expense.

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Speaker 4: Cody is nodding his head up and down.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is funny at my expense. I mean it

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Speaker 3: was you know, it was a personal attacks or hum.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's.

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Speaker 2: What we're not laughing with you. We're laughing at you.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: That's called serving the team. That was my part today

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Speaker 3: to serve the team, just to take take one for

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Speaker 3: the team. Well, actually I took multiple for the team

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Speaker 3: from Danny Surrex, So I'm going to end this before

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