WEBVTT - To Refi or Not to Refi? #127

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to How to Money. I'm Joel and I am Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we are asking the question to refi or

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<v Speaker 1>not to REFI, to refly or to not refive that

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<v Speaker 1>just the question. I also had a hamletesque skull in

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<v Speaker 1>my hand when I had that in a candle that

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<v Speaker 1>was no longer lit in your other hand, exactly exactly, Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a recent report that on average, for folks

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<v Speaker 1>who can refinance their home, that each individual could say

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<v Speaker 1>about two and seventy dollars a month, totaling one point

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<v Speaker 1>six billion dollars, which is a huge amount of money.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna talk about if you should be refinancing

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<v Speaker 1>your home, and we're gonna talk about how to do

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<v Speaker 1>that on this episode. Yeah, and there are some good

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<v Speaker 1>rules of thumb. I think they will be able to

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<v Speaker 1>offer folks. But but it's also very specific and gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get into some of those specifics. But like you said, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people could save a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people either have heard or seen

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<v Speaker 1>an article refinancing, like everyone's doing it right now. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you should feel the peer pressure to at least consider it,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you don't have a home. Consider refinancing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna sell you that hard, you know, but refinancing

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<v Speaker 1>is a good idea for a lot of folks. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're one of those folks who can save a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of money every month by by doing a REFI

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's big news, sure is, man. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we kick things off, I wanted to talk about going

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<v Speaker 1>green or that zero waste lifestyle that you might see

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cropping up here and there. I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what you do. One search for anything now on the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>and then before you know it, you're getting fed all

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<v Speaker 1>these different ads, specifically for me Instagram. Anytime I google anything,

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<v Speaker 1>three seconds later there's an ad for that very thing

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<v Speaker 1>or a competing company popping up in my Instagram feed.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is crazy. So evidently I searched something that

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<v Speaker 1>made the algorithms think that I want to spend a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of money on these zero waste products because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting fed things like these bees wax wraps. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>seen these? I mean it's cloth and it's like confused

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<v Speaker 1>with wax. And instead of using typer wear like use

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<v Speaker 1>that you go to the butcher and you put your

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<v Speaker 1>raw meat in this fabric and you take it home

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<v Speaker 1>and then you wash it when you take the meat

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<v Speaker 1>out of it, like that kind of stuff. I I

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<v Speaker 1>actually just reuse plastic ziploc back. Yes, well, that's I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's the real answer. That's why I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this is because so much of those products

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<v Speaker 1>it's just marketing and it's consumption driven. It's it's so

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<v Speaker 1>ironic that we're being fed these advertisements to buy these

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<v Speaker 1>things that will miraculously allow us to become less wasteful,

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<v Speaker 1>when in fact, that's sort of the epitome of waste, right,

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<v Speaker 1>purchasing something that you don't really need because you already

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<v Speaker 1>have some products that can actually provide that utility that

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<v Speaker 1>you are truly needing. And I'm not saying that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>immune to this either, right, Like I get sucked in

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<v Speaker 1>the advertisements, Like I see the cool stainless steel straw,

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<v Speaker 1>the drinking straw, and I kind of want that because

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<v Speaker 1>I see it looks awesome. It looks like something I

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<v Speaker 1>can keep in my pocket. And I like putting cool

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<v Speaker 1>metallic things in my pocket. You know, like one of

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<v Speaker 1>those I might be turning into one of those every

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<v Speaker 1>to care you guys. You know, I got like my

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<v Speaker 1>little pocket knife, Like what else can I fit my

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<v Speaker 1>pockets that that might come in handy. If you get

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<v Speaker 1>some cargo shorts, then you can do it even more,

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<v Speaker 1>or cargo kilts. But I think a good challenge is to,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of looking at the different products out there that

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<v Speaker 1>will allow us to become something that we aspire to

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<v Speaker 1>be in this case, like look at our actual waste,

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<v Speaker 1>Like look in the trash can, what's going in the

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<v Speaker 1>trash And by identifying those things, I think we can

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<v Speaker 1>find ways that allow us to become less wasteful. And

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<v Speaker 1>not to mention, on top of that, the things I

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<v Speaker 1>think that oftentimes have a lot of packaging tend to

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<v Speaker 1>cost more because they're the sort of like one time

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<v Speaker 1>use things, or they're the convenience foods or products, and

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<v Speaker 1>in reality, we could probably do with less of those

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<v Speaker 1>products altogether. Yeah, Matt, and we talked with someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an expert in this field. Back in episode

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<v Speaker 1>number seventy two, we brought Katie Wolk Stanley on and

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<v Speaker 1>she goes by the moniker on the internet, the non

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<v Speaker 1>consumer Advocate, and the title of that episode was stopped

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<v Speaker 1>buying new stuff, and Katie is is concerned with how

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<v Speaker 1>we treat the earth and the things we waste and

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<v Speaker 1>the money that we waste at the same time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think she would completely agree that buying new things

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<v Speaker 1>in an attempt at becoming greener is just not the

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<v Speaker 1>way to go about it. Really, the clutch move. The

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<v Speaker 1>biggest thing that we could all do as human beings

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<v Speaker 1>is to stop buying new stuff and focus instead on

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<v Speaker 1>filling our homes or apartments wherever we live with used items,

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<v Speaker 1>whether that's clothing, furniture, the car we drive. If we

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<v Speaker 1>can prioritize buying used and holding onto those things longer,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the biggest dent we can make in a culture

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<v Speaker 1>that attempts to spur us on towards more and more consumption.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, I agree, don't buy into the advertisers.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think that you're becoming more green by buying more things.

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<v Speaker 1>Shifting our mindset of what it takes to be a

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<v Speaker 1>greener individual in the society, I mean, that's that's the key. Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's so true. Man, That's that's a great challenge for us,

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<v Speaker 1>something that we can implement in our lives. I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you just see so many things in our

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<v Speaker 1>world that oftentimes seems silly, and sometimes when you actually

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<v Speaker 1>see it for what it is, it can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>be darwing almost right, Like I'm thinking specifically too, of

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<v Speaker 1>like the fancy water bottles. I'm not going to name

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<v Speaker 1>any of the name brand ones out there, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>really expensive, like the stellated you know, bigger water bottles.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, there's nothing wrong with getting one of those

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<v Speaker 1>water bottles if you're going to use it, and so

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<v Speaker 1>literally there's a hole in it, right, but if you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting one of those because you don't want your plastic

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<v Speaker 1>bottles to end up in a landfill, but in reality,

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<v Speaker 1>you're buying a new one of those water bottles maybe

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<v Speaker 1>every six months, right, You're like you're getting the new,

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<v Speaker 1>latest and greatest color, or there's a new model that

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<v Speaker 1>actually does this. I think it's just important for us

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<v Speaker 1>to realize that we're being marketed to and that we're

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<v Speaker 1>being sold these products that are a not making us

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<v Speaker 1>any happier, be that they're costing us a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 1>and and see in reality they may not be helping

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<v Speaker 1>with waste and pollution. Yeah, as you brought this up,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of made me think about energy efficiency too,

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<v Speaker 1>and So let's say new TVs or new refrigerators use

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot less energy than their predecessors of ten

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. That's great, And if you're one of those

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<v Speaker 1>folks that needs a new refrigerator soon or a new TV,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna save you every month on your energy bills.

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<v Speaker 1>But just because that new TV uses fifty less energy

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<v Speaker 1>than the one you currently have, that certainly doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>you should go to your local best Buy or go

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<v Speaker 1>to Amazon whatever buy a new TV right now. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just faulty logic. And I think the same thing is

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<v Speaker 1>true for the kind of the green product movement. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of those things can potentially be helpful. So yeah, just

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<v Speaker 1>like you wouldn't buy new TV to save eight dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year in electricity, you also shouldn't assume that buying

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<v Speaker 1>products that are marketed as green and great for the

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<v Speaker 1>earth are instantly helping you to waste less. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>Joel all that to say, I mean, we're not against

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<v Speaker 1>products that are better for the earth, right Like, we

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<v Speaker 1>love the earth, we like there to be less waste

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. But we just want you to be

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<v Speaker 1>to be smart about it and to take it back

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<v Speaker 1>to our friend Katie. She has her motto or her slogan,

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<v Speaker 1>which is use it up, wear it out, make it

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<v Speaker 1>do or do without. Make sure to keep that in mind. Cool, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's mention the beer that we're having on

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<v Speaker 1>the show today. We're drinking Old Toffy and it's brewed

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<v Speaker 1>by New Belgium Brewing at a Colorado. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>Logger beer sent to us by listener Maggie. So, Maggie,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for sending this one our way. Yeah, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth mentioning. Joel, you said Old Toffie, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>mascot for NC State, and she certainly picked a beer

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<v Speaker 1>that she has a vested interest with because she is

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<v Speaker 1>actually a professor there at NC State. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to mention that you and I have no collegiate

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<v Speaker 1>ties necessarily it to NC State. I'm sure a second,

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna let this beer go to waste, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna enjoy this one and share our thoughts at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the episode. Yeah. I have a feeling though,

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to contact us pretty shortly for honorary

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<v Speaker 1>doctorates or something like that, so then we will have

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<v Speaker 1>ties to the institution. How do you even get one

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<v Speaker 1>of those an honorary degree. Do you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>invited to give the speech at the at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, the commencement end of the year's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of speech there at graduation? You know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you do it. I assume it's similar to the

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<v Speaker 1>way you get united in in England and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of one of those rare things that happened. But

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that we featured their beer on our show,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're totally going to do it for us.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Dr Matt has a nice ring to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Joel, great to see you today. All right, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get onto the topic at a hand. Today we're

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<v Speaker 1>asking the question to refin or not to refy, And

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<v Speaker 1>basically we're in a refinance boom right now. Taking the

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of a refi on your house can lower your

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<v Speaker 1>interest rate and lower your monthly payments. But there are

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<v Speaker 1>also costs involved in refinancing that can make it prohibitive,

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<v Speaker 1>and not everyone is a good candidate to refinance. So

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<v Speaker 1>is it the right move for you? Well, Matt and

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<v Speaker 1>I were going to discuss what you need to consider

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<v Speaker 1>and how to make sure you're refinancing effectively if you

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<v Speaker 1>decide to go through with it. Yeah, joint to quickly

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<v Speaker 1>sort of lay the groundwork right as to what a

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<v Speaker 1>refinance is. Essentially, you're finding a new lender, and that

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<v Speaker 1>new lender, once you move forward with them, they are

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<v Speaker 1>going to pay off your current loan, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>have a new loan with that new lender, and your

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<v Speaker 1>payments go to them. Hopefully you have a lower interest rate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oftentimes you're gonna have a different length of time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>a different term once that refinance is complete. And so

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<v Speaker 1>first let's talk about the why. Let's go over some

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<v Speaker 1>of the sort of overarching guiding principles of why you

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<v Speaker 1>might want to refinance. And you all, we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>touched on this a second ago, but oftentimes folks refinance

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<v Speaker 1>in order to lower their monthly mortgage payment. So by

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<v Speaker 1>lowering your rate, you can potentially lower your monthly payments

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<v Speaker 1>and give yourself a little more financial breathing room, just

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more margin in your life. But that

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<v Speaker 1>being said, that is not our favorite reason to actually refinance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the best reason to consider doing a refinance on your

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<v Speaker 1>house is to save money on overall interest paid over

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<v Speaker 1>the life of your loan. This is the even more

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<v Speaker 1>important reason to consider a refight. It's going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger overall impact on your finances. Yeah, Jill, both

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<v Speaker 1>of those are good reasons right to refinance. But the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of sort of stepping back and looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>total cost, the total amount that you're gonna pay for

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<v Speaker 1>financing your home. The idea there is to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to step back a little bit and to not just

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<v Speaker 1>focus on making payments, not just seeing how much house

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<v Speaker 1>you can afford month to month. It's essentially more of

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<v Speaker 1>a holistic, sort of bird's eye view of your overall finances. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just like we would recommend when someone's buying

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<v Speaker 1>a car, well, you don't want to finance it over

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<v Speaker 1>seven years. Sure it's going to give you a lower

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<v Speaker 1>monthly payment, but that's not the biggest thing you want

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<v Speaker 1>to take into consideration. In the United States of America,

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<v Speaker 1>we've kind of become payment buyers, and for only considering

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<v Speaker 1>the actual outgoing number every month and not that holistic

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<v Speaker 1>overall picture, it's going to lead us to make some

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<v Speaker 1>poor decisions. So, just like with buying that car, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to refinance your house just to get a

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<v Speaker 1>lower monthly payment, although that could be a nice side

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<v Speaker 1>ben Fit and Joe, you know what, to refinance? It

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<v Speaker 1>costs money, right, it costs a lot of money. Because

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<v Speaker 1>it does cost so much, there are a number of

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<v Speaker 1>things that you want to consider. One of the things

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<v Speaker 1>you want to consider is how long you'll actually own

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<v Speaker 1>that home. If you think you might only be there

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<v Speaker 1>for another a year or two, it's probably a bad

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<v Speaker 1>idea for you. It's not gonna make a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sense because you'll never make up that money that

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<v Speaker 1>you spent on those closing costs in the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>money that you're gonna be able to save every single month.

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<v Speaker 1>But then maybe on the other end of the spectrum,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say you're gonna be there for like, say, at

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<v Speaker 1>least ten years, Well, for you, it's likely going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a pretty good move, right. It's it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of if you'll be able to earn that money back,

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<v Speaker 1>but just when. Yeah. Good rule of thumb is a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty month rule. So if you run the numbers and

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<v Speaker 1>you will break even, And because the savings of your

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<v Speaker 1>new loan and lower interest rate, you'll break even versus

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<v Speaker 1>the cost you incurred in order to make this REFI happen, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then likely it's a good idea for you to do

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<v Speaker 1>the refi. It's so incredibly rare for someone to stay

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<v Speaker 1>in their house for an entire thirty year mortgage term,

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<v Speaker 1>right that that almost never happens. And so really it

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<v Speaker 1>comes down so how long you're planning on being in

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<v Speaker 1>the house. Obviously, things can happen and life doesn't always

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<v Speaker 1>work out the way we think it's going to, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's important for you to assess how long do I

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<v Speaker 1>think I will be in this home? And if you

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<v Speaker 1>think you will be in the home for quite a

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<v Speaker 1>while and the math works out in regard to that

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<v Speaker 1>thirty month break even point, well, then refinancing can make

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of sense. So next we're gonna cover

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<v Speaker 1>some of the specific considerations that you want to keep

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<v Speaker 1>in mind as you are deciding whether or not you

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<v Speaker 1>should refinance. We're gonna get to those right after the

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<v Speaker 1>break all right, man, We're gonna get to some of

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<v Speaker 1>those specific factors that are really helpful as you are

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<v Speaker 1>working through whether or not you should be refinancing. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a question on so many people's minds because mortgage

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<v Speaker 1>rates are near all time loads again, and they've really

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<v Speaker 1>plummeted over the last year. And I feel like, as

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<v Speaker 1>we're asking ourselves this question, should we be refinancing? This

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<v Speaker 1>is an instance where analysis paralysis can keep you from

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<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of uber low rates. The bottom line is

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<v Speaker 1>that nobody knows where rates are going, but they're currently

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly low. So right now is a specific time where

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people should be considering refinancing. So is

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<v Speaker 1>now the right time? Well, it could be, and Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the specific factors that will help you

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<v Speaker 1>determine whether or not it's the right time for you. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>first I wanted to address if someone is listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this episode and they happen to be listening, say six

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<v Speaker 1>months later, and you're thinking, dang it, like I totally

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<v Speaker 1>missed the train on refinancing. Well, there's two things that

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<v Speaker 1>you can do. First, you can look at a graph

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<v Speaker 1>and you can see where rates currently are as you

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<v Speaker 1>are listening to this episode. And you can probably zoom

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<v Speaker 1>out a little bit and look at the past couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years and see rates are still historically low. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we are still in a great spot even if they're

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<v Speaker 1>not the lows they've ever been exactly could still be

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<v Speaker 1>really good. And secondly, we would recommend that you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the mortgage rate that you currently have right now,

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<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't really matter if rates were historically low

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<v Speaker 1>and you kind of missed that boat. If the current

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<v Speaker 1>market rates are significantly lower than the rate that you

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<v Speaker 1>currently have, then you should still really consider a refinance.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna want to dig a little bit de peper,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically into your own finances, all right, So let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about those specific things that people should be considering before

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<v Speaker 1>they decided to actually get going and make a refi happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though mortgage rates are insanely low, that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a no brainer for you to refinance before

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<v Speaker 1>you actually do it. Here are the main factors you

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<v Speaker 1>need to consider to know whether you're a good candidate

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<v Speaker 1>or not. The first thing is to know your credit score.

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<v Speaker 1>To qualify for the lowest of mortgage rates, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>need a really solid credit score, and that means typically

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<v Speaker 1>in the range of seven seven forty. If you're above

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<v Speaker 1>seven twenty, in all likelihood with most lenders, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get the best rate that they offer. Some lenders

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<v Speaker 1>might have a threshold of seven forty, but if you're

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<v Speaker 1>in that range, you know that you'll be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get a really good rate. And if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what your credit score is, well, we've talked about multiple

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<v Speaker 1>resources for you. Go check that out. Your current credit

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<v Speaker 1>card company might offer that every month. If not, credit

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<v Speaker 1>scorecard dot Com is a great tool, and so is

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<v Speaker 1>credit Karma. Basically, if refinancing is on your radar, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to know your credit score because that is going

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<v Speaker 1>to have a huge impact on whether or not it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make sense for you. Ye dull, you know. The

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<v Speaker 1>size of that impact is going to depend on a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different things. But for instance, let's just say

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<v Speaker 1>you had a hundred point drop in your credit score

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<v Speaker 1>from seven forty maybe down to six forty. That score

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna cost you anywhere between like sixty and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>bucks a month on a median home in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>And that doesn't sound like much, right, You think sixty bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not that big of a deal, But over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of the loan, that's over twenty five dollars that

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be paying just for having a credit score

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<v Speaker 1>that got busted up a little bit. Before you're refinanced.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, Another factor that you want to keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind when you are considering if you're a good candidate

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<v Speaker 1>for a refinance or if your house actually is a

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<v Speaker 1>good candidate to be refinanced, right, is equity and real

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<v Speaker 1>quick equity is just the market value of your home

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<v Speaker 1>less the amount that you owe on it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you have less than equity in your home, a conventional

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<v Speaker 1>loan refinance is likely not going to be possible for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if you don't have enough equity, bringing cash

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<v Speaker 1>to the closing table can actually help you to get

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<v Speaker 1>a conventional loan. Well, it's not impossible, but you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be paying private mortgage insurance right p m I, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a p I T A so many abbreviations on

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, right, So keep in mind though that if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have enough equity, you can bring cash to

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<v Speaker 1>the closing table and that can help you to get

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<v Speaker 1>a conventional loan at a great rate without p m I.

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<v Speaker 1>Another but maybe similar scenario is if the value of

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<v Speaker 1>your home has gone up since you purchased it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what if you didn't have enough equity initially when

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<v Speaker 1>you purchased it, but the value of your home has

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<v Speaker 1>gone up. Well, in that case, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>come to the table with additional funds. Are Another thing

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to need to know in advance of pulling

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<v Speaker 1>the trigger on a refinance is your d T I ratio.

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<v Speaker 1>That's debt to income. Knowing your debt to income ratio

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<v Speaker 1>is a crucial factor in qualifying for a loan. Lenders

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<v Speaker 1>are going to look at you if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>debt to income ratio of more than forty and your

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<v Speaker 1>debt to income ratio you can find that out by

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<v Speaker 1>dividing your monthly debt payments by your gross monthly income.

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<v Speaker 1>That number is the way that lenders measure your ability

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to repay your loan. So the lower

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<v Speaker 1>your debt to income ratio is, the more favorable you look,

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<v Speaker 1>which means they're happy to lend you money. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>calculating your debt to income ratio. That's not tricky math, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're just kind of making a calculation. But you do

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<v Speaker 1>want to make sure that you are getting accurate numbers

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<v Speaker 1>in there. And so when you are calculating your debt payments,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to calculate everything. We're talking student loans, credit card, debt,

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<v Speaker 1>car payment, any debt that you owe, any payment that

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<v Speaker 1>you have that needs to go into your total debt

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<v Speaker 1>number in order for you to get an accurate debt

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<v Speaker 1>to income ratio. All right, Matt, Now let's get into

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<v Speaker 1>some of the specific good reasons to refinance. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the big picture that it's helpful to lower your

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<v Speaker 1>monthly payments. It's even more helpful to save in overall

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<v Speaker 1>interest paid over the years. But additionally, let's say you're

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<v Speaker 1>in an ARM an adjustable rate mortgage. Well, considering we

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<v Speaker 1>just talked about the fact that we're at historic low rates,

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<v Speaker 1>the likelihood of your interest rate going up on your

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<v Speaker 1>adjustable rate mortgage is decently high because as rates fluctuate

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately over the years, they are barring something catastrophic going

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<v Speaker 1>to rise. So getting out of an arm getting out

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<v Speaker 1>of an adjustable or mortgage and into a fixed term

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<v Speaker 1>makes a whole lot of sense for a lot of folks,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you're going to be in the house for

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<v Speaker 1>quite a while. All Right. Another good potential reason to

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<v Speaker 1>get a refi is if you can knock out some

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<v Speaker 1>p m I. If you're able to get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>private Morgan insurance while at the same time securing a

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<v Speaker 1>lower rate, so that would end up saving you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twofold in the long run, then you definitely want to

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<v Speaker 1>consider p m I. On a typical two home, you

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<v Speaker 1>could be paying anywhere between one d two hundred bucks

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<v Speaker 1>a month and p m I, and so you get

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<v Speaker 1>enough equity in the home to where you no longer

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay that. Yet your lender has to stop

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<v Speaker 1>charging you for p m I once you hit a

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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight percent loan to value ratio. But that is

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<v Speaker 1>based on the initial appraisal price of the home, and

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<v Speaker 1>if your home has gone up in value a good bit,

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<v Speaker 1>you could still be waiting a long time for p

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<v Speaker 1>m I to naturally drop off so that you're not

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<v Speaker 1>charged for it anymore. And and that can be a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty two hundred dollars a month. And by refinancing,

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<v Speaker 1>getting a lower rate and knocking out p m I

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, that can save you hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars every month while paying less interest over the life

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<v Speaker 1>and a loan. That can be just a win win

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<v Speaker 1>for folks in a pm I situation where they have

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<v Speaker 1>seen a good bit of equity growth. You know, refinancing

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<v Speaker 1>your home to knock out p M I, REFINANCI your

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<v Speaker 1>home to get out of an arm. Those are both

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<v Speaker 1>great reasons to refinance. Now let's talk about a reason

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<v Speaker 1>that might be a good reason to refinance, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is if you're gonna do a cash out REFI. That

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<v Speaker 1>is when you basically refinance, but you remove equity from

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<v Speaker 1>the home. Yeah, it's basically like saying, give me some

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<v Speaker 1>cash in my palm while I'm doing the three five.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take that lower interest rate and some cash in

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<v Speaker 1>my pocket at the same time. Like we said, that

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<v Speaker 1>might be a good idea, but you will pay a

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<v Speaker 1>higher rate of Sometimes you're gonna pay an eighth or

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter of a point higher if you go with

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<v Speaker 1>that cash out. And this is only ever going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a good idea if you're going to use that

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<v Speaker 1>money in a positive way. So basically, if you're investing it.

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<v Speaker 1>That could be if you're investing in yourself, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>like higher education or more traditionally you know, an a

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<v Speaker 1>rental property or in another business. In any case, you're

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<v Speaker 1>taking this money and you're looking to grow it more

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<v Speaker 1>than it would grow if it was just sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>tied up in your house. Actually did a cash out

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<v Speaker 1>REFI on a propty that we owned in order to

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<v Speaker 1>take that money, and we use that as a down

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<v Speaker 1>payment on another house that we're buying. So we ended

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<v Speaker 1>up renovating the house. We essentially flipped it, sold it,

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<v Speaker 1>and man, we made a good bit of money that

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<v Speaker 1>year in that specific instance. You know, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>smart move for us, but you've got to be really,

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<v Speaker 1>really careful, honestly, Like, even looking back, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>if I would do that again. Yeah, And I'm considering

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<v Speaker 1>doing a cash out refinance right now in order to

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<v Speaker 1>build the accessory dwelling unit in my backyard. Mat We've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about that, so I'm just kind of in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of thinking through is it a good idea or not,

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<v Speaker 1>And based on the hard numbers, I think it is.

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<v Speaker 1>For me. I still hesitate at going to cash out

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<v Speaker 1>refi route. So cash out refis can be a good

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<v Speaker 1>idea for seasoned investors who know what they're doing, but

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<v Speaker 1>I would be very very careful before taking that route,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's definitely not a good idea to go the

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<v Speaker 1>cash out refined direction if you're pulling that money out

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<v Speaker 1>to consume it. If you're planning on taking a vacation

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, or buying a boat. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing that like that, there's definitely not a boat,

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<v Speaker 1>right like maybe a tesla right like that sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more fun to me. The boat. Well, at

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<v Speaker 1>least it's gonna save you a little on electricity every month, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but always cash. Our refis are a total no if

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking to add to your consumption or inflate your

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyle by doing so. Okay, So those are some different

0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.600
<v Speaker 1>reasons why folks refin You know, this is called how

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<v Speaker 1>the money. So we're gonna talk about now how to refinance,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna get to that right after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Matt, we've talked a lot about refinancing, but

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't really covered how to do it yet. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into that. If you feel like you're a

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<v Speaker 1>good candidate based on the things that we've covered, The

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<v Speaker 1>biggest key to saving money when you are refinancing is

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<v Speaker 1>to shop with multiple lenders. Oftentimes we shop a lot

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<v Speaker 1>for the home. We go into fifteen or twenty homes

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<v Speaker 1>before we make an offer, but we shot very little

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<v Speaker 1>for financing. Lots of times people go with the lender

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<v Speaker 1>that their real estate agent recommends without shopping the market.

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<v Speaker 1>Online lenders can be a great option. Quiking Loans is

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<v Speaker 1>a great place to check. Their Rocket mortgage product has

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<v Speaker 1>done well in customer satisfaction surveys. Credible has a new

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<v Speaker 1>online mortgage shopping tool that's really really good. Costco has

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<v Speaker 1>a mortgage program that shops rates with multiple lenders. I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're gonna try to find a way to slide

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<v Speaker 1>Costco in there. I always do, man, I go there

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<v Speaker 1>by my favorite Kirkland signature branded products and then you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I also shop for mortgages with them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to sign up for that Kurrikland Signature Premium refinance. Please.

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<v Speaker 1>And if only the company that did your refive was

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<v Speaker 1>Costco under the Kirkland signature label, that'd be amazing. Another

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<v Speaker 1>great place to go when you're looking to refinance is

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<v Speaker 1>to check local credit unions. Credit unions oftentimes have the

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<v Speaker 1>lowest overall rates in the market. Another place to go

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<v Speaker 1>is to contact a mortgage broker who shops rates with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different lenders. Basically, there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of potential good places to go to look for rates.

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<v Speaker 1>Just don't be one of those people that designs to

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<v Speaker 1>do a refinance and doesn't shop for the best one

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<v Speaker 1>for them. Yeah. Man, it's all about that due diligence, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, don't just look at the headline rates like

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<v Speaker 1>you don't just go to the website and see whatever

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<v Speaker 1>rate that they're advertising on the home page. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to factor in all the different costs and you can

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<v Speaker 1>see those on your loan estimate to give you sort

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<v Speaker 1>of that apples to apples comparison. Lenders are actually required

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<v Speaker 1>to give you those estimates within three business days after

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<v Speaker 1>you apply with them, and those costs are gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>on that loan estimate. They're gonna be itemized. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be nice. And because you've shopped around, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>really easy for you to compare one of those loan

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<v Speaker 1>estimates to the two other ones, because you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>at least three loan estimates there, right, yeah, or right,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe five loann estimates. Okay, I'll do it, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Yeah. You definitely want to make sure you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting quotes, you're getting those loan estimates in hand from

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different lenders. That's gonna be the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>way you end up saving money in the refi process.

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<v Speaker 1>And Joel, you know, I think a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 1>would hear us say that, and they're gonna freak out

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<v Speaker 1>because they're gonna think, what's gonna happen to my credit score?

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna plumb it when I fill out all of

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<v Speaker 1>those applications, all those inquiries, They're gonna lower my score

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<v Speaker 1>in a big way. Right, Well, they do a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but not nearly as much. If you make those inquiries,

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<v Speaker 1>if you apply for that refinance within a short period

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<v Speaker 1>of time, within a week or two, all those separate

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.040
<v Speaker 1>hard polls against your credit essentially kind of get lumped

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<v Speaker 1>together as one. So when the time comes and you're

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<v Speaker 1>shopping for that refi, man, just go about the business

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<v Speaker 1>of knocking all those out because a you do want

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of them to be able to compare, but

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<v Speaker 1>b you also want to make sure that you're not

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<v Speaker 1>damaging your credit. Yeah, Matt, And folks to just know

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<v Speaker 1>that typical closing costs for a refinance are two to

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<v Speaker 1>four pc of the overall loan value, So it costs

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<v Speaker 1>a good bit of money to do a refi, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why we mentioned earlier on in the episode that

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<v Speaker 1>thirty month break even point. If you're refinancing your home

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<v Speaker 1>and your total loan amount is a hundred fifty thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>well you can expect like four thousand dollars in closing costs,

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<v Speaker 1>so you want to make sure that it's worth it. Yeah,

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, the loan amount that you're refinancing like that

0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.159
<v Speaker 1>has a pretty large impact on those closing costs. But

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of different variables to to keep

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<v Speaker 1>in mind, and because of that, it makes it difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of have a rule of thumb. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>lowering your rate by one percent like that sounds pretty great,

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.120
<v Speaker 1>but refinancing still might not be worth it for you.

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 1>There just are so many different individual factors at play

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<v Speaker 1>when determining if a REFI is the right move for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you've got to look at the bank cost, title cost,

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 1>there's different third party costs. Some of those things you

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<v Speaker 1>can shop for, but others you can't. Just don't be

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to actually negotiate on some of the different items

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that you do have control over. Yeah, once you have

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<v Speaker 1>those loan estimates in hand, you can always go back

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 1>to a potential lender and ask if there's any wiggle

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<v Speaker 1>room to pay less, Matt. The last mortgage I got,

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<v Speaker 1>there was one lender I felt a little more comfortable with,

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<v Speaker 1>but the overall cost I was going to incur by

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<v Speaker 1>going with them were more than another lender. So I

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<v Speaker 1>just showed them my other loan estimate. I asked if

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 1>they can match it. They did some work and they

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<v Speaker 1>actually ended up beating it. Nice man. Yeah, so don't

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<v Speaker 1>be afraid to negotiate. Don't be afraid to ask the

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<v Speaker 1>question to see if that lender can do better than

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<v Speaker 1>their initial offering. Yeah, negotiating closing costs on a refine

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<v Speaker 1>like that is an instance where it is perfectly acceptable

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<v Speaker 1>to show up at the table. You've got other numbers

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<v Speaker 1>to compare to you, and you ask basically like can

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<v Speaker 1>you beat this? Right? There's other instances where you shouldn't negotiate,

0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 1>like the price of your dinner. Yeah, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>not one of those. And another tool that can be

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<v Speaker 1>helpful in this whole process is an online mortgage to

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<v Speaker 1>re high calculator. It can help you analyze the numbers

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 1>and the cost you might be going back to that

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<v Speaker 1>over and over as you consider different loan terms and

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<v Speaker 1>interest rates. The ultimate sweet spot for refinancing is lowering

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<v Speaker 1>your rate and lessening your term at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say you originally got a thirty year mortgage,

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<v Speaker 1>You've been in that home for eight years, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two years left on it, and your interest rate

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<v Speaker 1>is four and a half. Well, the sweet spot for

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<v Speaker 1>you is to go into a fifteen or twenty year mortgage,

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<v Speaker 1>lower your interest rate by hopefully over a point, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time lower your overall remaining years left

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<v Speaker 1>on that mortgage. Not everybody can hit that sweet spot,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is an ideal circumstance to make sure you

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<v Speaker 1>at least consider lessening your term as part of refinancing.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, the whole idea behind lessening that term

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>shortening the number of years you have left paying that mortgage.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just a numbers game, but there's also that

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<v Speaker 1>mental and psychological element to it. If you're a total

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<v Speaker 1>nerd and you're all about the numbers, you might argue that, like, no,

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 1>I want to have a thirty year term, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get that rate as low as possible. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna invest that money and While that might work or

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>some I think for a lot of other folks, there

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be a greater benefit from not having a

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 1>mortgage altogether because of refinanced that shorter term, and that's

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>no longer a debt, that's no longer a payment that

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>they have every month that is hanging over their heads. Man, Personally,

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not anywhere close to having a mortgage paid off

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 1>on any of my properties, but I look forward to

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>it knowing that one day that's just one of those

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 1>huge outgoing payments that I'm no longer going to have

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 1>to pay, just to have that burden lifted off of me,

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:26.920
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. What a sweet feeling that

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 1>would be, right, Yeah. Yeah. But by the way, on

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<v Speaker 1>that mortgage three five calculator, we will link to one

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>of our favorites in the show notes on our website,

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:35.439
<v Speaker 1>and also on our website, we're gonna have a picture

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:37.479
<v Speaker 1>of the beer that we're enjoying right now, Joel, you're

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna take us back to the beer. Oh yeah, nice transition, Matthew. Okay, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So today on the show, we drank a beer called

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<v Speaker 1>Old Tuffie by New Belgium Brewing and It's a beer

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that New Belgium specifically brewed for NC State, and listener

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Maggie is a professor there and so she sent this

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>on our way. Big thanks to Maggie. Dude. I don't

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 1>always drink loggers, Matt, but when I do, I'm gonna

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 1>drink Toffy Lagger. Name that beer commercial that I just

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>stole a line from. Oh, I know the commercial. I

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't gonna talk about a Mexican style beer because

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>I personally feel that those are pretty terrible. There's a

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>couple of good ones, Yeah, I like Negro Modelo a lot,

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>so Yeah, a little more flavor going on there, Yeah,

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like when it comes to a logger,

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 1>for me, I what I really enjoy about a logger

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>is that they're so clean and refreshing, right and specific

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>to this beer, That's what I like so much about

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>it is that it's just really clean. Sometimes with loggers

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.719
<v Speaker 1>you can kind of get this off putting, maybe like

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>some metallic flavors or there's like a skunkiness to it. Man,

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>that was not the case with this one. It was

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.119
<v Speaker 1>so good. I feel like, in my mind, like the

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>essence of beer is a logger. You know, like if

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>there's one beer that had to be qualified, like which

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 1>one beer exists that you would call pure beer? Like

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be a logger, you know. Yeah, I

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>guess when you boil it down, the essence of a beer, yeah,

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.640
<v Speaker 1>probably is just a super clean, crisp, refreshing logger. Yeah yeah,

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 1>And this was that it really was so much better

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 1>than a macro beer logger. I would say it's perfect

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 1>for an anti state basketball or football game, perfect for

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 1>game day, right exactly. Yeah, it was like Hams. Have

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>you ever had a Hams before? Yeah? I have. That's

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:01.919
<v Speaker 1>like the old school vine. Is kind of like an

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>old school one, but it's really good. It's like a

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>hands but way better. Yes, most definitely, most definitely yes.

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:08.200
<v Speaker 1>So thanks to Maggie for sending this one our way.

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.680
<v Speaker 1>It was really enjoyable to drink on the show. And honestly,

0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 1>it's not the style that I gravitate to most often,

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 1>but it's so nice to have a really good one.

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 1>And most folks out there that are only drinking Butter Miller,

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.640
<v Speaker 1>like they just haven't had a good logger in their

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>life yet, so yeah, they need to check out something

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 1>like this. Brewed by a quality craft brewer. Man. We

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 1>don't drink a lot of laggers, but personally, the more

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.919
<v Speaker 1>good loggers I drink, I I also realized that that

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I've never really had a great logger in the course

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.719
<v Speaker 1>of my beer drinking years, and so it's a lot

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>of fun to switch it up. So again, thanks Maggie

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>so much for donating this beer to the show. All right,

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>maw let's get to our final thoughts for this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>When we're talking about why you should consider refinancing, Well,

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>the best reason to consider it is to save money

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>in the overall interest that you're going to pay over

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the life of the loan. If you're going to be

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>able to do that, then there's a good chance refinancing

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense for you. But for you,

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>really know, if you're in a financial position to refinance,

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>there are some individual considerations that you need to take

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>into account. Your credit score. You want to make sure

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 1>that you've got seven twenty or higher to get the

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>best rate, and also the amount of equity that you

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<v Speaker 1>have in your house. You want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>you have at least or more in order to qualify

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<v Speaker 1>for a solid conventional loan without p M I Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and don't forget to shop with multiple lenders. You can

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<v Speaker 1>shop with online lenders, local lenders, even costco right, but

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<v Speaker 1>the key is to apply and get loan estimates from

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<v Speaker 1>a handful so that you can make the apples to

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<v Speaker 1>apples comparison and choose the best lender that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>save you the most money. I guess it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be an apples to apples comparison. It can be

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<v Speaker 1>like a logger to logger comparison. There we go, Well, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's gonna be that for this episode. As always,

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