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Speaker 1: the hour. So many developments. What's with what's happening in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: in Venezuela. But foreign policy, moving back to the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: it is striking that today, within the last several hours,

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Speaker 1: do you get a vote like that on Immigration's done

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Speaker 1: talking about shotdowns? Right, whatever, Kevin. I think we're still

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Speaker 1: looking at the aftershocks of President Trump's surprise announcement, and

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Speaker 1: Congress because while Isis has been greatly degraded over the

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Speaker 1: last several years, uh, they're not done. They're still that

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna withdraw, um, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 1: to like eight eight hundred or a thousand feign isis

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Speaker 1: this is episode. There's that there questions about assade and

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Speaker 1: whether he can leverage this. Uh there are there are

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Speaker 1: its time. And so what you're seeing here from McConnell,

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Speaker 1: I said that. I said that to Sherman Risch right,

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, is this a rebuke of of

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Speaker 1: well is this you know, what message are you trying

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Speaker 1: to send to the commander in chief? And he said, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: We're trying to send a message to the world, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, respectfully, Mr Chairman, He's trying to

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Speaker 1: And the vote is pretty striking. It's it's it's six

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Speaker 1: me be frank here, Senator Bernie Sanders voted against the

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Speaker 1: to call it the campaign trail, but for all intensive purposes,

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Speaker 1: I I've said this before, I know you. I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: let's see, do you agree that the president's decision on

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Speaker 1: want never ending conflicts in the Middle East, people say no.

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Speaker 1: But if you ask Americans whether they want to protect

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Speaker 1: eviscerate isis, they say yes. So it depends on how

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Speaker 1: define the threat. And I think it's interesting because internally

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Speaker 1: basically Trump's entire national security, military, and diplomatic team in

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Speaker 1: the weeks since his surprise announcement have also been advocating

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Speaker 1: for as a conditions based withdrawal. It's just not been

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Speaker 1: quite averier face when they've done it. It's just yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know what we're gonna hear from President Trump

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Speaker 1: lay out his foreign policy plan in the State of

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Speaker 1: the Union address on Tuesday night. Well special coverage for that,

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Speaker 1: and I said it then, and I said it to

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Speaker 1: I think if you agree with them or disagree with them,

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Speaker 1: would have been nice to have heard from the commander

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Speaker 1: in chief when you're making an announcement that major that

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Speaker 1: impacts so many of our brave men and women and

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Speaker 1: their families who are serving in the military. You can

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Speaker 1: check out our show on Apple i tunes, were on,

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Speaker 1: We're on iTunes now on the podcast search for sound

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Speaker 1: on UH and much more coming up on the government

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Speaker 1: shutdown and what mcconna wants with our all star panel.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin's Really you're listening to FM. This is sound

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Speaker 1: On with Kevin's Related on Bloomberg one and one oh

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Speaker 1: five point seven m h D two Baltimore. Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Severely Bloomberg in News Chief Washington Respondent. You

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Speaker 1: course on Bloomberg dot Com. We were talking earlier about

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Speaker 1: the US trying to trade talks that are continuing and

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Speaker 1: earnst this week with President Trump meeting with the Vice

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Speaker 1: Premier of China's economy UH and the President announcing that

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Speaker 1: he's sending a of some folks from his administration, mainly

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Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary Stephen Manuan and US Trader Presentative Bob Leightheiser

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Speaker 1: to China in the next couple of weeks to continue

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Speaker 1: these negotiations. Looks like there wasn't a major major blow

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Speaker 1: up in terms of the trade talks. UH. And we're

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Speaker 1: also of course talking about what's happening up on Capitol

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Speaker 1: Hill today some very interesting developments, most notably that the

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Speaker 1: set up jority leader Mitch McConnell has advanced an amendment

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Speaker 1: that really serves as a rebuke of the President's decision

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Speaker 1: to withdrawal troops from Syria and Afghanistan. And this measure

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Speaker 1: actually advanced just within the last couple of hours by

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Speaker 1: a sixty eight to twenty three vote. Clear culture culture

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Speaker 1: culture that one world term that is the first step

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Speaker 1: to getting to a vote. You need sixty of course,

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Speaker 1: for all of you non Washington folks up and trivia

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Speaker 1: nerds like myself who need to do that. You gotta

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Speaker 1: get sixty to clear cloture. Uh. Mark Ross, founder and

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Speaker 1: CEO of Terriical Global, a global US China communications firm,

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Speaker 1: here with me for the hour, and my friend Margaret

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Speaker 1: talev Bloomberg News senior White House reporter. We're talking trade,

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Speaker 1: we're talking the situation with foreign policy. But let's bring

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Speaker 1: it domestically. Uh. This has been a pretty international show,

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Speaker 1: but domestically just a couple of days, Margaret, until the

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Speaker 1: president State of the Union address yesterday. On on the show,

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Speaker 1: we had raw Shaw, former White House Deputy Press Secretary,

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Speaker 1: and I was asking him, you know what, what do

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Speaker 1: you think we're gonna hear from President Trump Tuesday night.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear about trade, We're gonna hear about foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: but we're also going to hear about the wall or

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Speaker 1: enhanced fencing. Well, sure, and we know that for a

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Speaker 1: couple of reasons. The first reason is that the State

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Speaker 1: But he wants to try to use this speech to um,

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Speaker 1: try understand why she just didn't do it already at

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna get like and he's already been criticized

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Speaker 1: for not doing it. I just I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of people in the

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Speaker 1: I've heard a number of different explanations. One is maybe

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Speaker 1: put it puts him in a power store go with

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Speaker 1: Republicans in Congress when he's already on shaky ground of

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Speaker 1: a lot of other issues. Three, this way he gets

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Speaker 1: uh an issue of last resort um. But but you're right,

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Speaker 1: I mean ultimately, uh, given given how he was forced

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Speaker 1: it just seems hard to understand the calculation for forcing

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Speaker 1: At this point, there are two questions. One is does

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Speaker 1: just don't understand, Like, if if the only option left

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Speaker 1: Because if you shut down the government again, let it

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Speaker 1: Rash says, no, not the forum. Uh, probably not by name.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Nixon did that in year two of

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Speaker 1: his presidentcy this is the second State of the Union address.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting. I'm actually was looking at a story

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Speaker 1: of the Union, but for the super Bowl. Got too many,

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Speaker 1: a pivot for you. Mark Ross here you're reading for

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, Well, I'm rooting for America's team. Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: The General Council for the Baltimore Ravens, Brendan Ethridge, uh

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Speaker 1: They were the only NFL team. Are you ready for this?

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