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Speaker 1: Welcome back to all the smoke dugout here with my

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Speaker 1: co host. See why good to see me. He appreciate

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Speaker 1: it was good, good, nice and easy.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: Today we have a legend someone I've actually been chasing.

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Speaker 1: I've been chasing him down for a minute. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's still fast as a little older, but he's still fast.

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Speaker 1: One of the best athletes in MLB history, should be

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. We're going to get into that.

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Speaker 1: One of the greatest leadoff hitters in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: history also played a little bit of hoop. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into that.

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Speaker 2: True icon.

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Speaker 1: Six time All Star, five time stolen base chant, four

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Speaker 1: time Gold Glove winner.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Kenny Loft.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Ron.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Kenny.

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Speaker 1: See why what's this man meaning to the game?

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Speaker 2: Oh man? When I think of nineties, that's when you

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Speaker 2: think about the era of your sport.

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Speaker 4: You think about when when you were a kid growing up,

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Speaker 4: and when you're picking your grades, you normally go to

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Speaker 4: that time in your life. You normally in going to

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Speaker 4: when you was playing, you going to when you were

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Speaker 4: a fan of the game growing up, and for me,

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Speaker 4: when you go into the nineties, talking about leadoff hitters.

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Speaker 4: Two names come up, Ricky, Ricky Henderson, Kenny lofton very

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Speaker 4: different styles of play. But I really believe that one

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Speaker 4: player got their flowers and the other player never got

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Speaker 4: their flowers. I'm so excited to have you on the

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Speaker 4: show today, k Low, because I want to dig into it.

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Speaker 4: It's so much even prepper for this that I didn't

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Speaker 4: know about you. You feel like you know the OG's

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Speaker 4: in the game, you feel like you know all the stories,

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Speaker 4: and you start to dig into it a little bit

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Speaker 4: and you be like, Man, I've been kicking it with.

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Speaker 2: Kenny for years and I never knew.

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Speaker 4: This, this or that. But man, first of all, I

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Speaker 4: appreciate you joining us here today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Guys and Matt been trying to get

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Speaker 3: me in this for for a while now, and like

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Speaker 3: you said, I finally slowed down for a second.

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Speaker 2: You call I guess I think we gotta get right

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Speaker 2: into it.

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Speaker 4: Because this may be a strong statement for some, but

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Speaker 4: I feel like you're the biggest nub of all time,

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Speaker 4: of all time. When I think of players who should

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Speaker 4: be in the Hall, there's a few guys that come

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Speaker 4: to mind some guys have, you know, it may be

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Speaker 4: some tithes the steroids, It may be some tithes to

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Speaker 4: not being good with the media, whatever it may be.

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Speaker 4: I understand some of those stories, but for yours, I

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Speaker 4: can't make it make sense. I can't make it make

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Speaker 4: sense when you look at the numbers, look at your

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Speaker 4: contributions to the game. If you had to put your

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Speaker 4: finger on one thing that didn't get you to vote,

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Speaker 4: I mean us talking about one year in you got

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Speaker 4: less than five percent to where you were one and

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Speaker 4: done in twenty thirteen on the ballot. What's the one

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Speaker 4: like you didn't pass that threshold.

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Speaker 3: For me, I just believe it was the game became

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Speaker 3: all about home runs. So I think if I was

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Speaker 3: Because I don't hit home runs. They kind of push

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Speaker 3: I learned that trying to get a contract in the game,

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Speaker 3: can you compare me to these guys? Because that was

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Speaker 3: They didn't look at a guy getting on base creating havoc.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was a guy who had Carlos Bierger,

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Speaker 3: Albert Bell, Jim Tomay, Maddy Ramirez on you know Eddie

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Speaker 3: always talk about Jim Tommy. They always talk about RBI's.

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Speaker 3: You can't get an RBI by solo. You have this

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Speaker 3: but they didn't say, well, how did you get those RBIs?

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Speaker 3: Somebody had to be on base.

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Speaker 4: Even though you didn't drive the ball out the yard,

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Speaker 4: there were still so many contributions. You're talking about Godbluff

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Speaker 2: He doesn't do this, but he's the best at doing this.

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Speaker 3: No, they didn't look at it that way. They only

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Speaker 3: home runs and RBIs, And that's the sad part for me.

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Speaker 3: I had to deal with that. I had to look

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Speaker 3: at myself. Do I want to be selfish or do

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Speaker 3: been selfish. To be honest, I should have got on

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Speaker 3: to work to count as a leadoff hitter. They tell

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Speaker 3: you want to be a leadoff hitter, but when you

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Speaker 3: come to Hall of Fame, they don't say we got

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Speaker 3: to look at the best leadoff hitters. No, they say,

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Speaker 3: did you get three thousand hits? Did he have so

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Speaker 3: many RBIs? Did he have five hundred home runs? That's

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Speaker 3: kind of how they look at it. And I'm just

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Speaker 4: And as you're looking at the game now, now the

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Speaker 4: out there and being able to steal fifty bases in

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Speaker 4: the season. These are things that you've been doing. But

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Speaker 4: under the curtain, what really was going on, which everybody knows.

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Speaker 4: The nineties it was a steroid era, and you were

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Speaker 4: So that leads me to ask for you to say

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Speaker 4: ever have a moment that you thought, Man, these guys

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Speaker 4: doing it. I ain't getting my flowers like I should be.

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Speaker 4: Is this something I should dabble in? Is this something

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Speaker 3: No, I never thought about that because I knew the

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Speaker 3: It was not good, But I think the only thing

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Speaker 3: get it to the Hall of Fame. It's three thousand hits.

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Speaker 3: That's it. All the other stuff around the game that

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Speaker 3: They only talk about if you got three hundred hits,

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Speaker 3: I mean three thousand hits or five hundred home runs.

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Speaker 3: And for me, like I said, as a lead off hitter,

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Speaker 3: I'll say, I'll use a guy like no more Goarshia Park.

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Speaker 3: That dude swung at every first pitch that looked good

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Speaker 3: same thing. So for me, if I would have looked

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Speaker 4: Like, I'm taking it, And then just to give some

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Speaker 4: it was so much strategy within the game of baseball

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Speaker 4: to where if you're a lead off hitter, unless say

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Speaker 4: extra time to get hisself together, to rest or. You

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Speaker 4: and tell everybody else what this guy has. Because if

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Speaker 4: it was looked at as being selfish. So in your

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Speaker 4: mind you feel like you're being an unselfish player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was unselfish, but I looked at it at

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Speaker 3: the end. Unselfish in the game of baseball. Didn't get

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Speaker 4: Well, I think when you're saying get getting nowhere, it's

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Speaker 3: Well ill said this way. The players respected what I did, oh,

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Speaker 3: absolutely for sure, But outsiders they just look at your numbers.

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Speaker 4: Game recognized game. And when you're talking about the players

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 4: I saw a clip that popped up my social media

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Speaker 4: up here, this is it right here, Matt. So check

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Speaker 4: this out when you're looking at it, side by side careers.

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Speaker 4: And to be clear, as I'm asking this question, this

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Speaker 4: the comparisons of a career. Kenny Lofton is on the

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Speaker 4: right right here, and you're looking at all the things

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Speaker 2: Arguably even more so than each row.

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Speaker 4: And one guy, Matt is one vote away from being unanimous,

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Speaker 4: which is each row to where he's Hall of Fame

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Speaker 4: first ballot should have been unanimous. People are upset at

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Speaker 4: each roll even says in his speech to who that

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Speaker 4: one person is that didn't vote for me, like, shame

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Speaker 4: on you. And then the guy on the right side

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Speaker 4: even able to be on the ballot next year. When

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Speaker 4: you saw that, and I know you saw this exact

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Speaker 4: same clip right here, what went through your mind.

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Speaker 3: It's not fair. That's the first thing that came up

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Speaker 3: to me. This is not fair. But you can't.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I'm one of those guys that you know what you

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Speaker 3: put your chin up, you keep it moving. But I

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Speaker 1: Can we agree although it was the steroid era, that

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Speaker 3: They don't always talk about guys. Because again, I felt

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Speaker 2: Is there a way to get back?

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that it's up to the media to

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Speaker 3: So the tough part about it, they keep changing the situation.

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Speaker 4: And that's the hope is that you have this board

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Speaker 2: Like you do.

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Speaker 3: I would like to see in the game somebody see

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Speaker 3: It's only once. I mean out of a whole month,

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, Well, Devi's advocate so would you have not

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, So I understand where you want to

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Speaker 3: But again, because the eight to nine hitters are not

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Speaker 2: I feel you as that type of a hitter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think he's more of a product

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Speaker 4: But when you got Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman and

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Speaker 3: Front of him. Hello, you just you basically you just

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Speaker 3: We don't need them. So that's where my part of

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Speaker 1: and you were someone who played basketball. Is the point guard?

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Speaker 1: They say that, the traditional point guard, the Chris Pauls.

438
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 1: Those guys are dying out now to set the guys

439
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 1: up and working pitches, setting guys up, setting the table

440
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 1: for the team is kind of this new way of

441
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: just the word. The way we're looking at numbers and

442
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: analytics is kind of out across the board in sports.

443
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Speaker 3: You are exactly right, because again because we don't have

444
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 3: them no more. The John Stockton's anymore. He's thinking about

445
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 3: scoring point guards now, yeah, you know so because the

446
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 3: point guard that was his job.

447
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 2: Job.

448
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 3: Now they're throwing that away because again always say when

449
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 3: I say point guards and myself, it's the little guys.

450
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 3: They taking the little guys and throwing this society. We

451
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 3: don't need you. We got the big guys. Now, That's

452
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 3: how they're looking at you know, they got the big

453
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 3: guys doing the point guard job. Joker from Animver do

454
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: we go on load, take it, take your butt, download

455
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 3: where you.

456
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Speaker 2: Belong across the bard. That's how you feel all sports, bro, Yeah,

457
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: I feel you.

458
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 3: Keep your You know, there's a role in the game,

459
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 3: that's what it is. They're trying to reinvent the wheel.

460
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 3: You can't. The wheel is made there for a reason,

461
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: but they're trying to create because of what. I don't

462
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 3: know how. It's analytics or whatever, but they saying, boy, chance,

463
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 3: you got a chance to hit a three or whatever.

464
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 3: But now you gotta everybody trying to hit a three.

465
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: You gotta everybody trying to hit a home run because

466
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Speaker 3: it's about money.

467
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Speaker 2: All right. Now.

468
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Speaker 4: I feel you on that, and I think what it

469
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 4: comes down to is having an appreciation for what every

470
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 4: different type of person brings to the table and not

471
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Speaker 4: thinking that we can have one person who can do everything.

472
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 4: There's a specialty to that that comes along with every

473
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 4: sport and something that you had to do from a

474
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 4: child growing up East side of Chicago. I think of

475
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 4: like how you made your own path. When I look

476
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 4: into your story and I want you to tell your

477
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 4: story a little bit. Mother had you extremely young father

478
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Speaker 4: not in the picture, raised by your grandmother who blind. Legally,

479
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. Tell us give us a little more

480
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 4: clarity about Kenny Loughton as a kid growing up on

481
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Speaker 4: the East Side of Chicago.

482
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Speaker 3: I mean, I grew up very poor. We was on

483
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 3: food stamps and all of that. I grew up. I

484
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 3: grew up, Like I said, my mom had me young,

485
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 3: and my grandmother said, he's not going into no system.

486
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to take him. So she ended up taking

487
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Speaker 3: me under her wing. And like I said, probably when

488
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: I was four or five, she ended up going completely blind.

489
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: But she was doing everything before. But I think it

490
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 3: progressed over the years because she just kind of was

491
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 3: doing things and all of a sudden we started seeing

492
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: her doing things with the ice clothes, like what are

493
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 3: you doing? And then we figured out she was becoming blind.

494
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: So but she did everything. But again, it taught me,

495
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: I'll say for me, it taught me when they talk

496
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 3: about all the censes, that you don't have to have

497
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: all your senses to be great. And she passed away

498
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen, But it was it was it was

499
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 3: a learning. It was good. It was a good learning

500
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: curve for me to understand. I think organization wise, it

501
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: taught me a lot because person being blind, you have

502
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 3: to put things back in order. Sugarcane, flour, cane, the corn,

503
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: the rice. It had to be in order because that's

504
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: what they knew and they got. And it breaks my

505
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 3: heart when she gets frustrated when something's out of order

506
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 3: because she can't see it. She can't see it to

507
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: put it back in order. She only knows that the table,

508
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 3: the chairs goes up against the table, so when she

509
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 3: touched the table, she knows the chairs are going to

510
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 3: be along that side. And that's how and that's how

511
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: she made her way around the tables, the kitchen. Everything

512
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 3: for me had to be in order. That's how it

513
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 3: was raised. So now in my life when people look

514
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 3: at my house, it's like dude, I said, dude, I

515
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: know that's all I know. You know, And she taught

516
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: me a lot about I mean again, she taught me

517
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: so much about about life and about growing up and

518
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: making great decisions, doing things the right way, and a

519
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 3: lot of things scared me at times. You know, I'm like, whoa,

520
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: you know, this is how life's supposed to be. And

521
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: I grew up around you know, gang shooting killing. We

522
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: used to hear shots outside and it didn't phase her.

523
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 3: After a while, It's like, Oh, they're just them on

524
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: the street, they shooting over here, you know. With me,

525
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 3: I'm like, whoa. So I learned to understand that a

526
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 3: lot of that stuff. You grew up around it, it

527
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 3: didn't phase you. But for me, that's all I knew.

528
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 3: How I knew to be able to take care of

529
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: someone because I was in the house with her, and

530
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: I became this I'm not gonna say nerd or whatever,

531
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: but very because I was always concerned about her. And

532
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: then when I ended up. The toughest part is when

533
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 3: I decided to go to college. She said, Kenny, I

534
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: want you to go. Please go. You know I want

535
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: you to get she said, but can you promise me

536
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: you will get your degree. That's all I want you

537
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: to do is make sure you get to a degree.

538
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 3: Because she always says, what's the word? You always got

539
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 3: to get your lesson, get your lesson, you know. So

540
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: that's something that stuck with me. And when she passed away,

541
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: we will have this things. I could have my bracelet

542
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: right here or whatever, and inside this inside the bracelet,

543
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: it says, made the work I've done speak for me.

544
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 3: So what she's done for all the family. She had

545
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 3: seven kids and I was considered the eighth child, and

546
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: but she was just letting people know the work i'm doing,

547
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: the work i'm showing for you speak for who I am.

548
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 3: You know, That's what when she said that, we ended

549
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: up putting it on the bracelet after you passed way.

550
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: That's something she stuck by. So basically, the way the

551
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: work you do speak for who you are. So do

552
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 3: your work the right way because it's gonna speak for

553
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: you when you're gone. Man.

554
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 4: And I'm assuming that that had to translate to everything

555
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 4: that you did that that helps mold you to become

556
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: the player that you end up becoming.

557
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just knowing she had an obstacle that she

558
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: had to overcome. So whatever happened out there, if she

559
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: can live the life that she did being blind, nothing

560
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: else out here is gonna face me if you're gonna

561
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: tell me. I mean, one thing you always said, if

562
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: somebody tell you you can't, tell them you can't, and

563
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: you go out there and do it because you will.

564
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: That was the attitude I had. So when they say

565
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: you can't do this, you can't do that, you're gonna

566
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: be able to play no baseball. You don't play no basketball,

567
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: watch me. And that's the mindset I had, And that's

568
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: the work you put.

569
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Speaker 4: In, man, that's why you that's why you got to

570
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 4: hear people's stories, like when you're trying to something that

571
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 4: comes with any sport and being in the clubhouse and

572
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: gaining relationships with people around you is like I always

573
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 4: got along with my teammates because you take time to

574
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 4: understand that they don't have to act just like you act.

575
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 4: You don't have to all be the same type of people.

576
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: You all have different stories. And you are the story

577
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 4: of coming up without much but but turning that into

578
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 4: a basketball career, a baseball career. You fulfill your grandmother's

579
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: dream going to the University of Arizona. I don't know

580
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 4: if you were recruited by lout Olsen and did you

581
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 4: just walk on, like, tell us a story about how

582
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: you end up fulfilling that dream going to U of

583
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 4: AB and hooping there.

584
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: Well, it started because I played basketball and baseball in

585
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: high school or your first love baseball was my first love.

586
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: But you're good, but growing up one where I grew

587
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 3: up in East Side Chicago and Indiana, it was it

588
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: was who's your basketball? So you know when you guys

589
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: growing up, you know you got all the girls or

590
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: what the girls basketball? They didn't like baseball too much,

591
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: you know, but you get caught up in the hoop,

592
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: the hoops of Hoosier and I ended up doing both,

593
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: but basketball was my I felt like it was going

594
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: to get me to where I needed to go. And

595
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: at that time, you have baseball and basketball. Baseball never

596
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: gave full scholarships. Basketball only did so for me to

597
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 3: go to college and fulfill that dream. And I couldn't

598
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: afford to do a partial or any kind of partial

599
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: stot we do on food steps. So we had some some

600
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: teams that played in our area. I end up I

601
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: played against Weston Garland and and Uh I played against

602
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: him in high school. And some schools out there knew

603
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: loud Osen coaches and they said, we need a fast

604
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: point guard that can be able to come to Arizona

605
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: and be a leader. And they end up telling him,

606
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: he said, you need to go to Eachicago, Washington, Kenny Lofton.

607
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: So look up we in the in the regional looking

608
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: final for I look up in the stand there's Ludolson.

609
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: So I ended up getting recruited. He came there and

610
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: another recruiting guy, Kenny Burmeister, pretty wild guy whatever. He

611
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: came to the house and he was like talk to

612
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: my Grandma's like is he okay? Okay? But but yeah,

613
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: so that's kind of how. And then I ended up

614
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: looking at I think it was Louisville, Arizona, Purdue, and

615
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: West Virginia. Those were the schools I was looking at.

616
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: And then once I took my recruit and visit to Arizona.

617
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: Game time, he was a rap Tucson.

618
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was there.

619
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: I got there and you know, I got I got

620
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: off the plane that took my jacket. They said, youin't

621
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: gonna need that. I got there and they said we

622
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: get back to you when you get back on the plane.

623
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was nice. I went there. I met

624
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: some of the guys on the team, and then we

625
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: went to a couple of little parties and I'm like, ooh.

626
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: I'm sold.

627
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: It's a wrap.

628
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: It's a different world.

629
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: It is.

630
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: It's a different world. Five ten point guard with hops.

631
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: I had a little bit.

632
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, how are.

633
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: You YEA I was like ten and a half. Yeah,

634
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: well almost six foot. Yeah, what happened, Well, I got shorter.

635
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: That's what happened. When you get older, get shorter, you know.

636
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: So but yeah, some some some teammates and made the league.

637
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: Sean Elliott be in. One coach cursed someone, I got

638
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: a chance to play for. What was it like in

639
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: those locker rooms, during those practices, in those games, you

640
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: guys had a really competitive team and one of the

641
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: greatest coaches of all time.

642
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had Sean Elliott, Steve Kerr, Tom Tobert, Jeff Butchler,

643
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: Sewn Rooks, Harvey, Mason, Matt Arthink, Matt millboch We became

644
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: a family, and I think a lot of guys, majority

645
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,239
Speaker 3: of them, didn't have father figures, and they looked at

646
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: you Nelsen as the father figure on that team. You know,

647
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: he was very disciplined, he was very hard nosed, and

648
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: he was Judas priest. You know, he didn't curse, you know,

649
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: so that was his main curse word, Judas Priest. So

650
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: we just we just felt this bond and we had

651
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: we all these guys we had coming up and I

652
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: came up. It was five freshmans and Sean Elliet was

653
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: a freshman with me, and it was five of us

654
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: and two of them transferred. But yeah, it was, you know,

655
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: and Arizona was not on the map, and we we

656
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 3: put Arizona on the map. We called Sean Elliott mini magic.

657
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: He was. And then Steve Curry shoots the lights out.

658
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: So I mean it was, it was and Steve was

659
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: a you know, we looked at it as you know,

660
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: the coach never caught a lot of timeouts because he

661
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: felt like Steve was the coach on the floor and

662
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: we felt that way. He was going to little little

663
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: team huddles. Steve started talking and doing all this, doing

664
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 3: all that, and you know, it was, it was. It

665
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: was fun to be a part of that. In I was.

666
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: I became the defensive specialist. I didn't shoot a whole

667
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 3: lot because again it was like the black hole when

668
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: you stow with Tom Tobert, you wasn't getting it back.

669
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: Well, the first five guys you mentioned all were pro Rooks. Tobert, Butler, Bucheler,

670
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: Elliott and the courage that you were playing with.

671
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if people asked me, he said why, I said,

672
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: you know what, Then I named the guys. I'm like

673
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: being again being the point guard. You delivered the ball.

674
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: I never got a.

675
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: Back so pretty much, so it was like you couldn't.

676
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: So it's almost like you passed the ball cross court

677
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: and I stepped back over and wait to play defense.

678
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: I ain't getting that ball back.

679
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: And this is also a time where guys weren't leaving early,

680
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: so you guys got guys are staying three or four years.

681
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: I was the same thing in UCLA, And I tell people,

682
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean, fifteen years championship kids, My college experience is

683
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: right at the top of the best time of my life.

684
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: And similar for you.

685
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we got I mean and getting to the

686
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: final four, Yeah, that was that was like unbelievable. And

687
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: I tell people, they say, what's more excited World Series

688
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: of the Final four? I said that final four some special?

689
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: I said.

690
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: People don't know that final four is some special. Like

691
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: you get all of the school and the state and.

692
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: Everybody is there behind you.

693
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: You know, you get all those teams and coaches that

694
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 3: were coaching in March Madness, they all at the Final Four.

695
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 3: They're watching you on the main court right there.

696
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: You know.

697
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: It was Kipper Arena in Kansas. It was the year

698
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: that Danny Manny went off doing that that March Madness.

699
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: It was Arizona, Oklahoma and then it was Kansas against Duke.

700
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: You guys ran into a tough Molkie Blaylock Stacey King

701
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma team.

702
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 2: That was tough.

703
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 3: Harvey Grant was there and man they they were Yeah

704
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: they got us, they got us. But yeah, but that

705
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: was it was just a fun moment, just being a

706
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: part of that and learning a lot. And we're still

707
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: are friends with those guys. We have our Wildcat chat.

708
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: To this day, to this day that we had that chat.

709
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the one thing you took away from

710
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: college as a man?

711
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: You know what I learned as a man, You got

712
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 3: to be accountable for your actions. You know, you gotta

713
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: admit when you're wrong.

714
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: The sooner you learn that, the better.

715
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: And then I think I learned that early on and

716
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: it it progressed my life of knowing, you know, be

717
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: accountable for your actions because there are consequences. And once

718
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: I felt like I understood that as a man, I

719
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 3: think I finally became a man.

720
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: Now you think you could have handled going straight to

721
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: probile from high school? No, no, no chance. No. When

722
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: you see because you know in baseball, you see that

723
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: a lot. You see guys.

724
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: Mentally physically, No, I couldn't. You got to be special

725
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: across the board, do you guys see it a lot

726
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 1: more in your sport because I think there's more time

727
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: to groom and grow in the miners going straight to

728
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: the pros, and the NBA is straight to the you

729
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So if there's no buffer, there's

730
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: no And I kind of thought that college was kind

731
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: of like my last little bubble where I was still

732
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: able to kind of somewhat be a kid as I'm

733
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: coming into a man and be able to do some

734
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: kid shit I knew I probably shouldn't be doing, but okay,

735
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: play for UCLA basketball you can kind of. So it's

736
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: kind of like that last buffer and Kenny, and to

737
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: Kenny's point, is just understanding, you know, the should I do,

738
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to be held accountable for if it's

739
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: the wrong kind of stuff.

740
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: So how long in college did it take you to

741
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: get that? To get that lesson? I probably said a

742
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: couple years.

743
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: In the NBA, I it took me a little longer

744
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: than just college to get that.

745
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna tell you something in baseball, that minor league.

746
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: It humbles you quickly extreame humbler.

747
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: Though, yea, luckily I got for somehow, you know, probably

748
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: God had the census on me or whatever. But I

749
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 3: went from basketball, where we flew all the time or whatever,

750
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: and then I went from there to the minor leagues.

751
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: So I went from good thing. I went from low

752
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: A middleway. I skipped double A. So I played well enough.

753
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 3: The guy they signed me in Willie Ainsley. He was

754
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: a number one draft picks centerfielder. They signed him in

755
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 3: front of me. He was a number one pick and

756
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: he never made it to the big leagues. But he

757
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: couldn't even make it out of double A. So I

758
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: was I was moving up the ladder quick and fast.

759
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: Got to hy A ball, start playing. We went to

760
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 3: spring training and moved to spring training. He was in

761
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: Double A spring training and it was like, uh, what

762
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: do we do here because Kenny's balling. This guy's our

763
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: number one pick. So they test him out at you know,

764
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: Triple A. The first couple of weeks terrible. So and

765
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: then from there they said, Kenny, we want to try

766
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 3: you in Triple A. So spring training, once you gave

767
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: me a shot, it was A rap to Triple A.

768
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: I was balling. They kept me there and all of

769
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: a sudden, the in the camp they said, uh, you

770
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: going to Triple A. You know, I'm like wow, But again,

771
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: all you had to do is give me that opportunity,

772
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: and I took advantage of it. And you can't tell me. No,

773
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: you can't tell me I can't because I'm gonna tell

774
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: you I can't and I will, you know. And I

775
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: think once I had, so I ended up skipping the

776
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: long road trips. The bus rides, I freak out. I

777
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: would have freaked out. So I think something the universe,

778
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: god or whatever it said Kenny can't be in double

779
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: A because riding in those buses he freaks out. So

780
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 3: I wasn't. I think I had. The longest one I

781
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 3: had was probably ten hours. I think it's still long.

782
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: But no, yeah, something belonging than that.

783
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah I did. I'm sixteen sixteen.

784
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah that was a double A. They were.

785
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: You're trying to decide who's sleep on the long side.

786
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: Always cold because they ain't pumping down there between the seats.

787
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: You get the spot.

788
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 3: Everything hurts so and it's like luckily something said Kenny

789
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: Ken he would freak out on them.

790
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: You had to step down from Arizona basketball togs a

791
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: step down that it was.

792
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 3: A step down already, and how long could I It

793
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 3: was like, how long is this man going to be

794
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: able to to deal with this? This kind of type

795
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: of travel He ain't used to, you know?

796
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: And huh, God, had you he knew?

797
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: What do you remember about the foot locker slammed down

798
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: you Bury Dion, Mike Conley Sr. I think Mike Conley

799
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: wanted didn't he.

800
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wanted it, But I'm you know what he wanted.

801
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 3: But I'm the raining champ.

802
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: Talk to him.

803
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: Better put it up, better tell him? You know, they

804
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: got me the first year? What a second year? I'm like, okay,

805
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: but I had to think about what I had to do.

806
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: I said, you know, I'm better than this.

807
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: Tell us how this all came together right here?

808
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: Well, again, that's what was happening. You know. They were

809
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 3: talking about the foot Locker and that was the big

810
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: thing back then in the off season or whatever for us.

811
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: It was the foot Locker and they all talked about it,

812
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: and foot Locker always wanted to put on some type

813
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: of show, and that's what they did. The Duncan in Phoenix.

814
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 3: That was in Phoenix. Yah, yeah, so yeah it was, uh,

815
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: what was.

816
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: Your winning done? Flat Kenny? Flat Kenny?

817
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: Which one is this one?

818
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: O double?

819
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: You know that was the beginning. You gotta you gotta

820
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: be something like.

821
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: You are you five ten here? Six foot here?

822
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: I'm five to eleven and a half there okay, oh yeah, yeah,

823
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: yeah yeah. It was a Phoenix, so yeah, it was.

824
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: It was good to have the crowd support behind me

825
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 3: there as well being in the back.

826
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: That was.

827
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: But compare obviously playoff baseball is incredible, but compare the

828
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: energy from a basketball crowd to a baseball crowd, it's

829
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot different.

830
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: I would guess.

831
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: Well, the thing about basketball and baseball the crowd is

832
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: closer up on you. Okay, so that's the difference.

833
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: And okay back real quick. Okay, that was easy too,

834
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, nothing, you know it was.

835
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 3: It was forty four. Yeah, I had forty four.

836
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, vert huh yeah, give me one more to take

837
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: us down right here, I'll take you home. Yeah.

838
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: He kept that short mustache to keep him up in

839
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: the air.

840
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: Aero dynamic.

841
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it, but yeah, it was, it was.

842
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: It was fun. It was fun. Doing that. We had

843
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: a We had a good time. And again you only

844
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 3: again you have to make sure you make your dunks

845
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: and you have to try to practice your dunks and

846
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: do all that. But back then we didn't have the

847
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: crazy thought process. I did a couple in high school.

848
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: I jumped off a bicycle in high school and all that.

849
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: But it was it was different, able the more trying

850
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: to be a little bit more careful. Back then, you

851
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: didn't care what huh, free shoes, fifty baby.

852
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: Racks. Hell, yeah, that was a big I need that.

853
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: I need that, Yeah, question real quick. The flat top

854
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: you had.

855
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: But there was an urban legend that used to race

856
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: people outside the barbershop. Thought they was faster than you.

857
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: Truth any truth to that.

858
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, they always tried to.

859
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 2: When I was you couldn't even get your hair cutting.

860
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 3: Peace. No, they always thought they could beat me. And

861
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: and after a while and I'm like, I can't.

862
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Be racing for free, come on, money on that.

863
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: He even happened at the I was playing in the

864
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: Taihoe event. Some of the dudes tried to I'm like,

865
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 3: are you serious? I said, I don't race for free.

866
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: Racing turned on the dice game.

867
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: I said, it's gonna cost you shoes on, your shoes.

868
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: Off when you're racing, and tell me a lot about

869
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: shoes on.

870
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: That.

871
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: That's how we played in the street when we were young.

872
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 3: Shoes your feet started to get all that crazy. All

873
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: this to come up.

874
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: My ship stayed all right.

875
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 3: But the thing about it, he probably grew up what

876
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 3: he had. He didn't have to wear those Walmart shoes.

877
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: We had pay Less, not Walmart, we remember they had.

878
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: We had pay Less.

879
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: They didn't have the Jordan's.

880
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: They had the Jordan ash looked just like motherfuckers making

881
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: fun of me all the time, because that's wh I

882
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: started fighting that and racism made me start make fun

883
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: of my shoes.

884
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: We had to fight.

885
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, back then, the shoes are tough.

886
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: Man.

887
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 4: We're sitting here and it's nothing but basketball highlights that

888
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 4: we're looking at, and that reminds me it's no highlights

889
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: from U of A baseball, But you end up having

890
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 4: a baseball career, get drafted out of U of A

891
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: with one at back to your name.

892
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: How is that possible? That's crazy work.

893
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: It was after the Final four. We played in the

894
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: Final four, and again me passing abou to everybody I'm like,

895
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: you know what, I gotta start thinking about my funure

896
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 3: well next, you know, if I still have my senior

897
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: year coming up. But I'm like, wow, seeing how this

898
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: is and see the accolades that the guys that played with.

899
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: Anthony Cook was another guy who went to the end

900
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: we played in the league. We played with Orlando He

901
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: was on that team as well, so and he made

902
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: the league.

903
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: So for me to.

904
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: Feel like, Okay, I'm not getting a chance to to

905
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: let people see me. And I said, you know what, baseball,

906
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come up to the bat the first thirds,

907
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: I mean the first inn and third in and seventh inn,

908
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: fifthen and ninth in it. You're gonna see me, you know.

909
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: And I felt like baseball. I started missing baseball again

910
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: because I'm like, you know.

911
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: What, because you're playing in high school, then you're not

912
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: playing at all in college.

913
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I said I'm missing baseball. I said, you

914
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: know what, I was pretty good at baseball, so let

915
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: me go out there and you know, and work out.

916
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: So that the coach called the Jerry Kindoz, the baseball coach,

917
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 3: Ludosen called him and said, hey, I got a player, Cando.

918
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: He wants to come out in and work out with

919
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: the team. He said, oh, he can come and work

920
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: out because they already had the season, because you know Arizona,

921
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: they started in probably in November playing baseball, and it

922
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: was it was probably end of March, probably the first

923
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: of April. So I just went out there and work

924
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: out with a team. I got a glove and you know,

925
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: some shoes and just start you know, out there and

926
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: practice taking batting, practice hitting.

927
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: And that was the first time since high school. Correct, Yeah,

928
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: like riding the bike.

929
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. And I knew once I got out there,

930
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, it's coming natural. You know. I was

931
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: a little rusty, but so I was out there hitting

932
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 3: and doing things. And one thing I always tell people,

933
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: one thing I could always do was bunt. I always

934
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: could bunt. So when they saw me bun and they

935
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: saw me hit and swing, and I think they then

936
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: they tried to go me to go to home the

937
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: first and they kept talking.

938
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: About clock is messed up, you know, and then also.

939
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: They's day was trying that and they said this ain't right,

940
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: and they tried to have me to go first to third,

941
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: and and I think one thing that got I think

942
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: this one scout still friend of mine, Clark Christ he

943
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: was a scout for the Houston Nationals at the time.

944
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: I was I was taking some shag balls in the

945
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: outfield and I was talking to somebody and I was

946
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 3: in the right center. They hit a ball to left

947
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: center and I went and caught it.

948
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 4: Then while you're doing all this, you're thinking about pro baseball.

949
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 4: You're thinking, I want to get drafted. I'm out here

950
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 4: doing these workouts like your teammates around you got to

951
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 4: be looking like.

952
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 2: Exactly.

953
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: But again, they knew that I wasn't a threat because

954
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,479
Speaker 3: it's my junior year. I'm going to be playing basketball again,

955
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: so they you know, just he's out here just working

956
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: out and whatever. I think I did some JV games

957
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: or whatever, but for the University of Arizona basketball player

958
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: on the thing. He suited me up for varsity a

959
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: couple of times and ended up getting into bad and

960
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: that was kind of it. And then came up the

961
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: guy Clark Chris ended up finally getting touch me. He

962
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: going to Babcock while we were staying in the dorm

963
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 3: or whatever and trying to find me. He say, hey,

964
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: you want to play baseball. Say, well, I'm playing basketball

965
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: right now. He said, oh, he said, I think you

966
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: should try baseball, and I was like, I don't know.

967
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, So I kind of kicked into

968
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: the curve and whatever, and then all of a sudden,

969
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: I got I left home. I went to go home,

970
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, I get this phone call.

971
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: He's my grandmother said, Hey, some guy keeps calling me,

972
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 3: calling here for you from the Astros or some baseball

973
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: team or what. Yeah, I think she said, he keeps calling.

974
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: He keeps calling him like what. She said, Yeah, he

975
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: said something about he wants to draft you.

976
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: What.

977
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 3: So I finally got home because you do have the phones,

978
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: you know, I ain't had the cell phones or whatever.

979
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: So we end up I ended up calling, he ended

980
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: up calling. I am talking to him, and I had

981
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: another friend of mine to talk to him as well

982
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: about what we're trying to do. I said, well, I

983
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: can probably do that, but I got my last year

984
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: of basketball, so I have to go back. They said, oh, no,

985
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: that's no problem. You can. You can go back and

986
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: you know, you can play during the summer and then

987
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: when the when this when this when the when it's

988
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: time for you to go back to school. You leave

989
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: and go back to school and you do your baseball,

990
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: I mean your basketball. So I end up so he

991
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: ended up working out to where they said I can

992
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: go play that summer and then go back and play

993
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 3: back basketball and then come back that summer. But I said,

994
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 3: and my grandmother said, you know what, Mays, you gotta

995
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: finish college now. So that was another sticking point, and

996
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: I told them, I said, okay, I will do this,

997
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: but I have to graduate weight first, and then I

998
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: can't do all baseball. So after I finished that first

999
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: minor league season, I went back to play basketball. But

1000
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 3: during that season I was able to shoot around stay fresh, yeah,

1001
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: stay fresh in some courts they had they had escort

1002
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: and it was in Auburn, New York. That was my

1003
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: first minor league season. Then in one of the gyms

1004
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: they were able to, you know, one of the coaches

1005
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: talk to the people in the gyms and they were

1006
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: able to let me shoot around and I'll do some

1007
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 3: drills myself or whatever in the gym, and then doing

1008
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: some of the morning time because we play night games,

1009
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: so the morning I used to go and shoot and

1010
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: try to keep myself fresh that way. And then after

1011
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: that season was all I did terrible. I went back

1012
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: and played basketball, and then I came back. Since I

1013
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: was so terrible, they sent me back to that place again,

1014
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: barbar So I went back there and then from there,

1015
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: I went back and I played better, so they moved

1016
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 3: me up to Middleway. So they moved me up to

1017
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: Middleways in Asheville, North Carolina. So I went there and

1018
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: I played decent there and they said, oh, man, you're

1019
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: playing good. I said, oh, I gotta go back to school.

1020
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: He said, what you were finished? Basketball? Said? What did

1021
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 3: I tell you, guys?

1022
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: Graduate?

1023
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: I got three classes left. They said, no, we can

1024
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: do this. You're gonna look at how you're improving. You're

1025
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 3: gonna But they they were trying me to do winter ball,

1026
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: all kind of ball, extended spring, all that kind of

1027
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 3: stuff they were trying to get me to do. And

1028
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: I said, what didn't I tell you? Guys?

1029
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: I think that says a lot about your character.

1030
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: Though not to interrupt, because nine out of nine and

1031
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: a half out of ten kids are gonna stick with

1032
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: the sport. But you made a promise to your grandmother

1033
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: that as great as you think I can be, or

1034
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing right now, I got something to go do.

1035
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 3: That was my heart, man, So she was my heart

1036
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: and whatever she said, I did so. She said, Kenny graduate,

1037
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 3: And I told him, I said, I'm sorry, Oh you

1038
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: we think you go to go to You're gonna get

1039
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: you to these you know, the leagues. You can go

1040
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: to win the ball and you can be a partner

1041
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 3: the big leagues. Next year, I said, next year the

1042
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 3: year after I can still be there too, right he said, well,

1043
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 3: we don't know it.

1044
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: I'll go wing to the school.

1045
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: So boom I left.

1046
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 4: Why did you feel like you had the power to

1047
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 4: be that demanding as a seventeenth rounder, because normally, as

1048
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: a lower round draft pick, you feel like, I gotta

1049
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 4: do what they say. I gotta do what they say.

1050
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 4: I mean, first rounders can come out and start making

1051
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: there now, I gotta do this, I gotta do this.

1052
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 4: I do this, or I won't sign with you. But

1053
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 4: as a seventeenth round the teams you'd be like, sorry,

1054
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 4: either you with us or you're not. And also, secondly,

1055
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: the trust that you had in yourself to say I

1056
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: can be there this year, I can be there next

1057
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 4: year either way. I know myself and I know that

1058
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make it anyway.

1059
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: Because after that, you know, I went from that one

1060
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: A ball to the higher A ball and I did

1061
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: better at the higher A ball, and I knew. And

1062
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: then you could hear the talk and the chatter what

1063
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 3: he keeps talking about, and you hear that's what they

1064
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 3: were they was talking about. You know, this guy, he's proven,

1065
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: he's fast, he can bunt. A lot of people can

1066
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: do that. So certain things that I was doing they

1067
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: couldn't do, or that they didn't see it in other players.

1068
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: So I knew just listen to the chatter. I said,

1069
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: you know what, but I said, it's gonna take me

1070
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: just this off season, So you got this smarter time

1071
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: for me to go ahead him because it was it

1072
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: was one uh it was one semester, semester, last semester, school,

1073
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: last semester. So that's all it was that that one

1074
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 3: semester I had to do. I graduated. I said, you

1075
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: know what, so either you're gonna do this, you said

1076
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 3: you can come back and finish that. I'm like, that's

1077
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: not a guarantee. So right now I am on a roll.

1078
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back and get my degree. Like I

1079
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 3: told my grandmother, I was were.

1080
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: You when you went back to school for that last

1081
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: semester retraining for baseball or just strictly school.

1082
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 3: Oh, I went to the batting cages. Yeah, I was

1083
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 3: doing bating because my again, my good friend of mine,

1084
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: Clark Curris, was a scout. He ended up he lived

1085
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: in Tucson, so he and I worked out while there

1086
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: was that time. And after I did that, after I whatever,

1087
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: I walked walk across the stage and I said, Hey,

1088
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 3: I'm all y'alls, Now I got my degree. I'm all, y'alls.

1089
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 4: That's amazing that you was able to write your own

1090
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: story like that, because a lot a lot of players

1091
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 4: wouldn't even have the confidence to feel like they had

1092
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 4: the power to write their own story like that. But

1093
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: you trusted the process and you knew you knew you

1094
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 4: had this superpower. You mentioned it a couple times of

1095
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 4: you had the superpower to be able to get the

1096
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 4: butt down better than anybody in baseball and one hundred

1097
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: and ninety nine bun base hits over your career. What

1098
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 4: stands out to me is, I know you had to

1099
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 4: have some crazy matchups with third basements. It's not picture

1100
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 4: batter matchups. Is batter third basem matchups because it's similar

1101
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: to Steph Curry. If you're trying to stop the three

1102
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 4: point line, he gonna get his, he gonna get there,

1103
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 4: he gonna get a shot off.

1104
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: For you.

1105
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: The entire stadium knows that what you want to do

1106
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 4: is get this butt down. So every team is guarding

1107
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 4: against you getting the butt down. Yes, who are the

1108
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 4: matchups that stand out to you to where it's like,

1109
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 4: I don't care if you're right on top of me.

1110
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 4: I'm still gonna get this down. I'm still gonna be safe.

1111
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: Who was pretty good at that? Matt Williams.

1112
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: Matt Williams, Okay.

1113
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: Well something about him getting Matt Williams was one of them.

1114
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 3: One I can tell you a story he was talking

1115
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 3: about that, Matt Williams. One but one scary incident I

1116
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: had in my career is with Cal Ripkin. So because

1117
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: Cal wrent from short to third playing third base. You

1118
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: know what I do here, But good thing about me

1119
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: about what made it better for me? I was able

1120
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: to slap the ball hard down the left field because

1121
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 3: before they kept saying, oh, he's a slapping judy hitter.

1122
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: I went from slapping judy hitter to hitting balls in

1123
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: the gap and hard to the left side, you know

1124
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: the field. So there's one story where we were playing

1125
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 3: against Baltimore and it was doing cal Ripkin's streak. So

1126
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 3: they told him to bunt. They said he's coming, he's

1127
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: gonna bunt, come in, so they moved Cal in. They

1128
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: told him more. So cal came in and I pulled

1129
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 3: it back and I hit a line drive and it

1130
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 3: went It went right by his ear. He did not

1131
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: move because he didn't see it, and I'm saying to myself,

1132
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 3: I hit it. I ended up stealing second and cat

1133
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: him the third. It's freaking crazy, I said.

1134
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: Bro, I am so sorry.

1135
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: I apologize, you know, and I'm like, dude, so ever

1136
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: since then, with cal Ripken, he came, I said, blue.

1137
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: Go back.

1138
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 3: I am not button.

1139
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: Oh dang, no spec factor.

1140
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, do that streak.

1141
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 2: Bro.

1142
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: It was in Baltimore they would have killed out. So

1143
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 3: when I did it, I'm like, oh shoot, and.

1144
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: He didn't even move.

1145
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 3: He was like, oh dude, that would have hit him

1146
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 3: right in the head. So that part, yeah, dude, just

1147
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 3: imagine how I'm feeling. And he got third base and

1148
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 3: he was like doing stuff to talking. I'm like, dude,

1149
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I didn't know what it was going to be.

1150
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: It was like a perfect pitch to it, like.

1151
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: That could be scary. You got in to the Oh

1152
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: yeah you got yeah it was so it was actually

1153
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 2: was on this side of it, okay side.

1154
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: But he still he didn't get it. He didn't get

1155
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: his glove.

1156
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: Up, not even fast enough. Yeah, that's how they caught the.

1157
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: Right. He was trying to stay so he can get

1158
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: his movement, so his glove was down his running position

1159
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: trying to come in. But I faked it and boom.

1160
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: So we're you're a professional baseball player now. And something

1161
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: I think we all grew up doing was playing multiple

1162
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: sports and it all added to our final destination. How

1163
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: much did basketball help you on the baseball field?

1164
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 3: Well, I say, with me, with instincts and be able

1165
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: to be quick on your feet and time in because

1166
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: basketball you got to get in that position and that

1167
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: guy got on the direction and I felt change the

1168
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 3: direction was was easy for me, you know. And then

1169
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: the funny thing in the minor leagues I would want

1170
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 3: to coach Reggie Waller, we was he was say, Kenny,

1171
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 3: you play basketball. If the ball goes out and it

1172
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: goes out of over your head, you gotta go get it.

1173
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: What do you do? I said, I'll jump and get it.

1174
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: So the ball hit, I want the ball hitting the outfield.

1175
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 3: I'm running. I'm like, oh, she's over my head. So

1176
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 3: I jumped, jumped up and caught it. He said, Kenny,

1177
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 3: you can't be doing that. He said, you gotta go

1178
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 3: and take the route. And I'm like, I cut it off.

1179
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 3: I try to go in the air and get.

1180
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: It direct line.

1181
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: You can't do that. So I knew, and then I'll

1182
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: tell people catching the balls over the wall. It was

1183
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 3: easy for me. It was easy because the timing because

1184
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: again played in Arizona and being the slam dunker, I

1185
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 3: was they had to play for me that they throw

1186
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: me alot, lobster.

1187
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: Me body awareness in the air, I mean, it's just

1188
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 2: in the air.

1189
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: So that's the same thing with baseball. You looking at

1190
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 3: the timing, the balls in the air, go get it.

1191
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 3: So that's how I thought about in the outfield, was

1192
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: just going to get it. And it was like I said,

1193
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 3: and in this age is different than back then. A

1194
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 3: little bit I probably had about wheny of them they

1195
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 3: can't they can't find them all. They can show them

1196
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 3: all because it ain't like the social media and the

1197
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 3: thing that it is now. But I have a lot.

1198
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, early days in the MLB clubhouse, What do you

1199
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: remember the most when you first got there.

1200
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: Well, my first when I was with Houston, I was scared. Boy,

1201
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: I was scared shitless. Yeah, because you know, being a

1202
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: rookie and the things they do to rookies. I was scared.

1203
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: And I was in my first clubhouse was Casey Kendell,

1204
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: Jerald Young, Kevin Bass. You know all these names. Um

1205
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: Canzealosi know Casey Candell. So it's just little things you

1206
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: just didn't know. So I was kind of quiet, you know.

1207
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 3: I ended up ended up getting caught up and going

1208
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 3: in my first game, uh in my career, I went

1209
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: three for four.

1210
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

1211
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: So it was I was like, oh, dang, leadoff, yeah,

1212
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: you know I So the first my first hit was

1213
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: against Randy Myers, lefty pull them up the middle base it.

1214
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: My second hit was a too hop of the short

1215
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: Barry Larkin, oh shooting throw it and he he's like, damn,

1216
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: I knew he was fast, but fast, he said, he said,

1217
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: He's only two people that made him think that way,

1218
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: he said, myself and Dion. But you were three three

1219
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: flat to first. The timing was different on a or

1220
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: swing or whatever. But I think I was the fastest,

1221
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 3: was three five or something, but but again it was

1222
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: it was one of the fastest. And Barry Larkton said

1223
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 3: that you were the only two people that scared the

1224
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: hell out of me, You and Dion. He said, I

1225
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 3: don't know who's faster, but y'all neck and neck. And

1226
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 3: after that, every time the ball hit the short he

1227
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: didn't give it. He got that ball out, he saying,

1228
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: so quick after he's seen that. So being a rookie,

1229
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 3: I was just nervous, you know, And as a rookie

1230
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: I end up being in the Not was because Houston

1231
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: we were terrible. But what what made me feel good

1232
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: about trying to succeed in being the playoffs. We were

1233
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: the last game of the season playing I forgot who

1234
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 3: were playing against, and it was the Giants and the

1235
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 3: Braves going for being the playoffs. Yeah, they both like

1236
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 3: winning a hundred games or something. It was crazy. And

1237
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 3: I was in the dugout and they were showing it

1238
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: because it was showing the clips because it was just

1239
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 3: one of those games were we were playing and they

1240
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 3: were on the I think they were on the the

1241
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 3: West Coast. I'm not sure, but after the game I

1242
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 3: ended up what they were showing it on the screen

1243
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 3: because it was a big game and it was showing it.

1244
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 3: So I ended up sitting there watching this like, Wow,

1245
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 3: this is some excitement. I was like, this is what

1246
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: I want to be a part of. Then I ended

1247
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: up getting traded in Cleveland. But yeah, what was that?

1248
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: Like, what's your first impressions of Cleveland and who were

1249
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: some of your vets in that locker room?

1250
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: Well, you know, going from a last place team to

1251
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 3: another last place team at that time, we had a

1252
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: lot of young guys coming up, so it wasn't you know,

1253
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 3: it was Albert Bell, it was Sandy A. Lamar, Carlos

1254
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: by Erga. But then it happened in ninety four we

1255
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 3: end up starting that that team in Cleveland when we

1256
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: started because that when the new stadium came and we

1257
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 3: ended up getting so Eddie Murray was a he's still

1258
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: a good friend of mine. He was a good mentor.

1259
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 3: Dave Winfield, Dennis Martinez or Herscheizer was on that team.

1260
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: Those are the vets that you talked to when you

1261
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 3: wanted to understand what pitching did and what idiot, did

1262
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 3: you know? And then think about it is Eddie Murray.

1263
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 3: We will talk about Eddie Murray and not talking to

1264
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 3: the media or whatever. Eddie Murray talks all the time

1265
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 3: almost goodness. But Eddie was like he's almost like Ef

1266
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 3: Hutton and he talked you listen, listen. And I got

1267
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: so much knowledge from Eddie just learning about the game.

1268
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 3: And we called Eddie he was a professional hitter. Eddie Murray,

1269
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 3: boy will run his on base. He taught Albert Bell

1270
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 3: so much stuff that people don't really talk about. And

1271
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 3: Albert smart guy was smart and he watched almost Eddie's

1272
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 3: every movement. People don't don't know that, but he did.

1273
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 3: He watched Eddie's approach. Eddie had the best approach both

1274
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 3: sides of the plate too, both he had the best

1275
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: approach of the game. And just listen to his thinking

1276
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 3: and Alberts act like he wasn't listening. He was listening.

1277
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: He was.

1278
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: He was an intimidating figure from a from Afar. I

1279
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: can imagine imagine that.

1280
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 3: Was very smart, was he? Oh? He was like thirdy

1281
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 3: fourth in his class and l s U I love

1282
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 3: you know that those us a day. You know USA

1283
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: today crossborry puzzles. Everybody's going to the Albert's locker.

1284
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 4: I love That's what everybody's coming to my locker for.

1285
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 4: When I was playing, y'all know, But I mean in

1286
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 4: all serious that team y'all had some monsters on that squad.

1287
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I think, would you say that's the best

1288
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 4: team asseymbol that never won? Yeah, I mean, let's go

1289
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 4: go through the guys I had.

1290
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 3: Myself was leading off New had Omrvis Scale, Carlos by Erga,

1291
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 3: Albert Bell, Eddie Murray, Jim tomay Manny Ramirez, All Sorrento

1292
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: and Sandy A. Lamar. That was the lineup, bro.

1293
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 2: It was. I forgot what the baseball game was called,

1294
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: but that was. It wasn't MLB.

1295
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 3: What was it?

1296
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: Damn.

1297
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: I've been trying to about the back no no no

1298
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: on the video game system. I forgot because I used

1299
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: to use you guys in our baseball wasn't after RBI.

1300
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 4: Wasn't that after before the lineup? I think another game

1301
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 4: you're talking about it.

1302
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 3: Was?

1303
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: It was when it was when the baseball RBI was

1304
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: kind of like it was dope, but it was kind

1305
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: of like it wasn't really didn't half the graphics that

1306
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: we needed. But the one that I remember, that's why

1307
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: I was just trying to look up. But go ahead,

1308
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: that was incredible.

1309
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: Team squad, y'all, y'all go to the World Series?

1310
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it has to be one of them teams

1311
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 4: because because we all have those teams where you look

1312
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 4: at this clubhouse and you're looking around and you say,

1313
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 4: this is the one we got, we got everything we need,

1314
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 4: this is the one.

1315
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: Or do you not feel like you had the season?

1316
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 3: We had all? We had all the offensive categories, every

1317
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 3: single one. We had it. On base percentage, RBIs, hits

1318
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 3: runs average, we did it all. So we went to

1319
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: the World Series knowing we had the most walks in

1320
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 3: the game, we had the highest on base percentage because

1321
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 3: we knew the strike zone. And then we get to

1322
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 3: the World Series.

1323
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: Who's that with Braves?

1324
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 3: That with the Braves?

1325
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 4: So that's where does good pitching beat good hitting? Because

1326
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 4: now y'all going, well, it's mad X and Glavin And

1327
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 4: when you.

1328
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 3: Think about it, good pitching is only going to be

1329
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 3: as good as how the umpire is called the game.

1330
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: To be honest, magis got a big strike zone.

1331
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 3: Or maxic glabing, They all did. They all did. To

1332
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 3: be honest, you know, they all had a strike zone.

1333
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 3: And it's funny, you know ninety seven I played with

1334
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 3: the with the Braves. I used to talk to Barry

1335
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 3: Largen all the time. I said, when they come in town,

1336
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, y'all ain't got a chance. We got glavining

1337
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 3: Maddox smokes pitching, and look who the umpires are. You

1338
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 3: ain't got a chance.

1339
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 4: That that is changing the game a lot with the

1340
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 4: whole you know, a BS system and everything else.

1341
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: Like veteran guys got better strike zones.

1342
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 3: Had been throwing the game one time with Learry Young's

1343
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 3: Empire and Roger Clemens on the mound. He caught the

1344
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 3: ball just that far off de pleate, Like, dude, what

1345
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 3: the hell was that? He said, that's a Hall of

1346
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 3: Fame bullshit. Excuse mind, I said it just like that

1347
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 3: kicked me out the game. Sorry, Wayne Kirby, he was

1348
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 3: on the toilet the other comings.

1349
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: So how was that experience for you?

1350
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 4: You're going from Cleveland, go to the World Series, you

1351
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 4: get traded to the Braves for Marquis Christom, David Justice,

1352
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 4: and then you end up going back to Cleveland again.

1353
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 4: So it wasn't any bad blood with Cleveland when they

1354
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 4: traded you.

1355
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: Well, no, because again you had you had the assistant

1356
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 3: GM and you had the GM. You know, we tried

1357
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 3: to figure out because what happened was Albert bailed the

1358
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 3: year before, became a free agent and left and went

1359
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: to the White Sox. Okay, so instead of from I'm

1360
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 3: you know, instead of the GM comeing and talked to

1361
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 3: me and saying, hey, Kenny, we got to figure out

1362
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 3: something because Albert left, we don't want you to leave.

1363
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 3: That wasn't told to me.

1364
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: You know.

1365
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 3: So all of a sudden, I spring training and I

1366
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 3: get there. One of the rest in Peace, David Nelson

1367
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 3: comes to me, is, Kenny, they want to see you

1368
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 3: in your office, Like damn, saying thing, what did I

1369
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 3: do last night? You know, I do something to make there.

1370
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1371
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: He called me in the office and he had his

1372
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 3: head down. I'm like, it's not good. And when they

1373
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 3: said you've been traded, I'm like what I was part broken?

1374
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 3: I'm like traded. Yeah. Well, we feel like because you

1375
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 3: become a free agent and we think that you're gonna

1376
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 3: be well, we did it last year Albert left and

1377
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 3: we think that you're gonna be doing the same thing

1378
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 3: and to go for the money, blah blah blah.

1379
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: And I'm like, wow, did they offer you a deal? No,

1380
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: they didn't offer you a deal.

1381
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 3: So that's what that's made.

1382
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: Even more so, they had that fear that you were

1383
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: going to leave for nothing, so they had to get

1384
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: something for you instead of having a conversation with you.

1385
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. And I ended giving traded and

1386
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 3: then played in Atlanta. I played very well. And this

1387
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 3: is where I think baseball gets in that thing where

1388
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 3: they can make up a story about you to make

1389
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 3: you look bad so they can't resign you. That happened

1390
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 3: with the Braves. It was saying that I was bad

1391
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 3: for the clubhouse and music. I said, wait a minute,

1392
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 3: y'all don't have music in the clubhouse, so don't use

1393
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: the music as because I stole seventy five bases the

1394
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 3: year before. And then in Braids, I ended up pulling

1395
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: pulling my growing and I wasn't the same guy because

1396
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 3: they were trying to force me to get back and

1397
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 3: I'm trying to hurry up and show this team become

1398
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 3: a free agent. I'm a freegent, so you know I

1399
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 3: wanted to try to get back and I wasn't you know,

1400
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 3: I wasn't one hundred percent, but I still hit three

1401
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 3: thirty something or what up?

1402
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 2: Made the All Star Game that year. Right back to

1403
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 2: the first part of my Yeah, and you went back,

1404
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 2: what was that like?

1405
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: Not to cut your story off, but was the bittersweet

1406
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: going back to Cleveland as a brave as an All Star?

1407
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 3: No? I mean no, when I went there, I got

1408
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 3: the highest ovation. I love that I got the highest

1409
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: ovation of anyone there going back to Cleveland.

1410
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: Now back to what you were saying before. This is

1411
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: obviously pre what the media puts is the gospel. Now

1412
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: this is pre social media. This is pre players really

1413
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: having a voice to Hey, that's not what's really going on.

1414
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: So you kind of have to stick with it.

1415
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 3: And that's what happened. I didn't have a chance to

1416
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 3: have my voice once I found out he say, wait,

1417
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 3: he's a bad guy, and all the players it's like,

1418
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 3: wait a minute, can't he mind his own business? And

1419
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 3: that's where the confusing part make it seem like I

1420
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 3: was this bad guy. I was bad with the media.

1421
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait a minute, can you guys give me

1422
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 3: some clips or something that showed that I was something

1423
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 3: the media something. So it became behind me that was

1424
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 3: on attack on my back. I'm like, wait a minute,

1425
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 3: how was I bad? It started that with the brakes,

1426
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, how is that bad with the media? And

1427
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 3: I had no clips or something. So now they're saying,

1428
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 3: what the reason why you probably did the Hall of

1429
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 3: Fame bye bye? Because of the media. They tried to

1430
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 3: use that you wasn't good. I said, okay, what so?

1431
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 3: I said, okay, can you give me an example? Okay,

1432
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you. Can you give me examples of

1433
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 3: what I was bad at? And nobody gave. There's nothing

1434
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 3: in the media and the papers or anything that.

1435
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: Showed a lot of the people that you say are

1436
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: bad with the media clips. Yeah, there's a lot of clips.

1437
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: Say it, yeah, say it because they you know, because

1438
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: they know it was clips there.

1439
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 3: You know, there was nothing. So and they said, that's

1440
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 3: probably the reason why the Hall of Famer said, So,

1441
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna throw you one name out there. Fred

1442
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 3: McGriff crammed dog. Fred McGriff got five percent or whatever.

1443
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 3: He was on the ballot. He was there for ten years.

1444
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 3: He got off the ballot. His numbers were there. His

1445
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 3: numbers were way better than back whales. It was there,

1446
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 3: he didn't get in. So when y'all say players don't

1447
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 3: get in because of media, and why didn't Fred McGriff

1448
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 3: get in there? Exactly so so when they check to

1449
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 3: use me and what they say about the media, and

1450
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 3: that's probably the reason why Fred McGriff was. He was

1451
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 3: the darling whatever for everybody, media, everybody, but somehow the

1452
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 3: ten year span he couldn't get into the Hall of Fame.

1453
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 3: And his numbers were way better than people they were there.

1454
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 3: But again the vetters he got to the Vetters Committee

1455
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 3: his first year boom, he got in perfectly. But again,

1456
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 3: so when you use the word bad for the media

1457
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 3: is the reason why. And he was a guy that

1458
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 3: didn't have nothing with the media and he didn't get in.

1459
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 3: So don't don't don't put that towards.

1460
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 2: Me moving the gold posts.

1461
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 3: You're moving the gold posts. It's all about the numbers.

1462
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: You played in a special era of outfielders multi sports

1463
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,560
Speaker 1: stars uh incredible play such as Barry Bonds, Griffy, but

1464
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: Dion and Bow. What was that era like as just

1465
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: kind of the competitive nature amongst those guys, even when

1466
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: you weren't playing against it, were you kind of seeing

1467
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: what they were still doing and kind of keeping an

1468
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: eye on some of those guys.

1469
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 3: I think the fun part about that is seeing seeing

1470
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 3: real athletes what I call real athletes on the field.

1471
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 3: If you could play multiple sports, that's showing that you

1472
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 3: are a real athlete and you can do multiple things.

1473
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 3: Just seeing I wasn't the only one, it was probably

1474
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 3: kind of cool because people can talk about it and

1475
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 3: it could be the talk, you know, you had Tony Gwen.

1476
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 3: He've also played two sport as well, and just the

1477
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: opportunity to seeing when people say what's the toughest sport,

1478
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 3: you got to be baseball, you know, And that's one

1479
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,879
Speaker 3: of the toughest parts to sports to play and to maintain,

1480
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 3: you know. And I feel good about myself playing seventeen

1481
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 3: years and be able to maintain what I did. But

1482
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 3: I think because of what I did lead off outfield,

1483
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: raise havoc on the field, I think teams needed that.

1484
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 3: And then and then they talk about I'm not sure

1485
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,799
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about the stretch run. While I got traded,

1486
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 3: people didn't do what I did. So when they come

1487
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 3: to the playoffs first and they say, we need somebody

1488
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 3: to get on base, We need somebody to the table set,

1489
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 3: we need somebody to craze, create havoc in the playoffs

1490
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 3: because again, you know, playoffs, it isn't about everybody hitting

1491
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 3: home runs. It's about getting on base. You gotta you

1492
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 3: gotta manufacture runs in the playoffs, you know. And that's

1493
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 3: where I felt pretty good about people wanting me, because,

1494
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 3: in a sense, like you said myself, Ricky, we were

1495
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 3: rarities in the game. It wasn't a lot, It was

1496
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 3: a few, but it wasn't a lot of us that

1497
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 3: as a leadoff hitter wanted to be there. Some guys

1498
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 3: didn't want to be there. They didn't want that stress.

1499
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 3: They didn't want they didn't want that. Yeah, they didn't

1500
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 3: want that pressure. I didn't mind it. A lot of

1501
01:11:58,160 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: people didn't want that pressure.

1502
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 4: Just let's let's get into that a little bit, because

1503
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 4: that's something that we all have in common. A lot

1504
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 4: of guys can't just play for one team.

1505
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 2: They whole career. All of us bounced around a lot.

1506
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 4: And some people look at it as a bad thing

1507
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 4: that you bounced around so much and you play with

1508
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 4: eleven eleven different teams, but you seem to have a

1509
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 4: different look on that when you're bouncing around from clubhouse

1510
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 4: to clubhouse, understanding that you're being brought in for a reason,

1511
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 4: for a reason to help them win a World Series,

1512
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 4: to help them get to a World Series because you

1513
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 4: have this special skill set. How much of a process

1514
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 4: was it for you mentally just getting acclimated in a

1515
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 4: different clubhouse every single year and still trying to be

1516
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 4: a team guy when you know you're somewhat of a

1517
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 4: one year guy there.

1518
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 3: Well, for me, you know, you get acclimated. I'm a

1519
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 3: lead off hitter, so you just jumping from one clubhouse

1520
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 3: to another clubhouse. You have to just have your mindset

1521
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 3: to where once I get between the lines, I got

1522
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 3: to do my job, no matter what team it is,

1523
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 3: I got to be the lead off hitter. I got

1524
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 3: to get on base. Because basically I didn't try to

1525
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 3: change what I did. People needed me there because of

1526
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,839
Speaker 3: what I did, so and like you said, the pressure

1527
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 3: of me is that I had to keep doing it.

1528
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 3: I had to consistently do it, you know, because I

1529
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 3: went to the first went to the to the to

1530
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 3: the Giants, and they were back in the standings, but

1531
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 3: they needed that push I got there, We got to

1532
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 3: the World Series, went to the Cubs back in the standings.

1533
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 3: Needed that push. I did that push, and we got

1534
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 3: to the League Championship series.

1535
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: That's the Bartman game.

1536
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 3: That's the Bartman you know, we were I was there

1537
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 3: and people understanding of Moyses and left. I was in

1538
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 3: center and Sammy was in right.

1539
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: Taught to us about that though that was coming up.

1540
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: But since you brought it up, talked to us about

1541
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: that game.

1542
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 3: Well, the game again, I feel like the game had

1543
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 3: nothing to do with Bartman.

1544
01:13:58,439 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 4: You know.

1545
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 3: Again, we had to score runs no matter what. And

1546
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 3: after the Bartman play, there was a perfect too hop

1547
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 3: to Gonzalez, Alex Gonzalez, perfect two double play hop and

1548
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 3: he booted it. If he gets that ball, we out

1549
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 3: of that any the Bartman situation would have never came up.

1550
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 3: It would have never been talked about, and we would

1551
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 3: won that series. But because of that play, they blame

1552
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 3: it on the Bartman. And I'm like, dude, moys Is

1553
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 3: people people go into the stands all the time and

1554
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 3: try to catch the balls, and fans.

1555
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 2: They trying to catch a ball. You see a ball

1556
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: coming at you, so and I.

1557
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 3: Think Moyses made a bigger, a bigger antic about it

1558
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 3: that he needed to Okay, you didn't catch the ball. Okay,

1559
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 3: let's get back on the field, bro next play, next play.

1560
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 3: But then the next play was a perfect two hopper

1561
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 3: to the shortstop for double play, and he bobbled it

1562
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 3: and then all, yeah, all the mess happened.

1563
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: So but that was then.

1564
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 3: But I again, I played with a lot of a

1565
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 3: lot of players. Interesting and me samuelmos got into a

1566
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 3: fight too.

1567
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 2: But oh cool, what happened.

1568
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 3: Well, they would to bring it up, he says, we

1569
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: want to come to that point, so we wouldn't, you know,

1570
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 3: because again you know, as in the playoffs, every every

1571
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 3: situation is going to count, every play, every hit, every

1572
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 3: you know, it was big because there was no there

1573
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 3: was no going back. So and it was men on

1574
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 3: first and second I think, and Sammy had just got

1575
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 3: a home round or hit or something. It was a

1576
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 3: quite tight game, and you know he always doing so

1577
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 3: Pitcher comes up, you know, in a tough situation. So

1578
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 3: so he's doing his kissing to the crowd, he's playing back.

1579
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 3: Pitcher hit the ball blooped in front of him. I

1580
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 3: was pissed. I said some words or whatever, whatever the

1581
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 3: other d We got to the dugout and I was

1582
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 3: still going off. He said, if you can't, if you

1583
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 3: and I chased him up the ding thing, and I was,

1584
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 3: I've never got so heat. Because again, I know what

1585
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 3: playoff ball is about. He didn't know. He didn't play many.

1586
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 3: I played a lot of playoff games, so I know

1587
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 3: how important every little out everything is gonna be.

1588
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 2: So he was going on.

1589
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 3: He started, he said, I forget you whenever, and he

1590
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 3: said get you. I chased him up the thing and

1591
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 3: I took like five steps and somebody grabbed me. It

1592
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 3: was Carrie Wood. He grabbed you to ask him about it.

1593
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 3: He grabbed me, big boy. Oh yeah, big boy boy.

1594
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 3: He grabbed me because he saw hot I was, and

1595
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 3: I was going after Sam in the clubhouse. And then

1596
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 3: we had a thing. After the game. Dusty called us

1597
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 3: in the office and had or whatever, and I was

1598
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 3: and I told Dusty about it. Dusty understood. But Dusty

1599
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 3: was a manager. I mean he was a player, so

1600
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 3: he know how to he knows how to work it.

1601
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 3: But I was still hot, and we end up, you know, say,

1602
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 3: making up. But because it it didn't affect the out,

1603
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 3: but it could have and that was my thing. It

1604
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 3: could have affected the outcome, but I just don't want

1605
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 3: you to do it once. You could probably do it again.

1606
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 3: But everybody know when the pictures hit, you don't play deep.

1607
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 4: And you know what, somebody got to say something, because

1608
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 4: when you talk about a superstar player, a lot of

1609
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 4: times people be like, I want to say something, but

1610
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 4: his thing. But you always got somebody in the clubhouse

1611
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 4: that you can trust don't say something or something need

1612
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 4: to be said.

1613
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 3: I happened to be that guy because I didn't. I

1614
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 3: didn't back down for none of them. Frank Thomas Berry,

1615
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 3: you had a chip pur the ship, was a cool guy.

1616
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 3: He was kind of he was laid back or whatever.

1617
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 3: But if some needed to be said, they looked at me,

1618
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I don't care.

1619
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it.

1620
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: I'll say it to the manager, I'll say it to

1621
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 3: the players. I don't care.

1622
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 2: But I think too it.

1623
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: You were respected for saying that and allowed to do

1624
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: that because you led by example. Yea, your play on

1625
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: the field gave you the I was the same way

1626
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: in the locker rooms. I played with the stars. I

1627
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: played with being able to deliver that message to the

1628
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: star because you know what's coming from a genuine place,

1629
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get my life out there on that field,

1630
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: on that court.

1631
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: So that's where my you know, and.

1632
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 3: What pet peevem. Guy's not running out the ball, hitting

1633
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 3: the ball to pop up or what I not running out?

1634
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 3: I've seen too many times where a guy not running

1635
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 3: it out and to catcher bottle, but the first baseman

1636
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 3: bobbled it and you tagging it down the line because

1637
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 3: you thought it wasn't out and he bobbled it and

1638
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 3: you could have been safe.

1639
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: The nineties and in Nike's imprint on shoes, the air

1640
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 1: Klo ninety sixes and then the air Zoom Diamonds ninety

1641
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: seven dealing and pull them up, let me see what

1642
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 1: those are looking like. What was it like to be

1643
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: able to be in that elite class of players that

1644
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: have their shoe?

1645
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 3: It was It was pretty It was kind of an honor,

1646
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, And that's what I felt like. Nike was

1647
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 3: looking at the speed and what I did was was

1648
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 3: was on that level and for you to get your.

1649
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 2: Own signals shoe look at them things.

1650
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you get your own signals.

1651
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 2: Shoe e right there.

1652
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt very good about it, and and they

1653
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 3: fly you up to to Portland, Oregon, and you go

1654
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 3: in and they put your molde in their foot and

1655
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 3: you get some some little tweaks about the design, but

1656
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 3: they have their way of how they want to do it. Yeah.

1657
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 3: So I just felt like you felt like, you know,

1658
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 3: you made it.

1659
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: Nike, you too, You still huh.

1660
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 2: You got a pa Oh yeah, a pair got twelve?

1661
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, sorry, are you still having the Nike family?

1662
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 2: You still have a connection over there.

1663
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,560
Speaker 3: I do have a connection, but I'm not you know,

1664
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 3: what have you done for me lately? You know? So

1665
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 3: I'm trying to, you know, hopefully because they keep bringing back,

1666
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 3: you know, different guys shoes again, and you know, hopefully

1667
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 3: I was hoping that the Hall of Fame can help

1668
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 3: them bring that, you know, the opportunity from to bring

1669
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 3: that back, to put that back. But hopefully one day

1670
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 3: they'll they'll they'll bring it back.

1671
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 4: K Low's about some of your your signature moments, your

1672
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 4: crazy playoff runs.

1673
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 2: We went through the Giants, we went through your time

1674
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 2: with the Cubs.

1675
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 4: Also the historic Yankees. Oh where y'all lost the three

1676
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:13,839
Speaker 4: to zero lead to the Red Sox.

1677
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I.

1678
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 3: Mean, I was upset with that because I felt I

1679
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 3: should have been playing more. I didn't play. And those

1680
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 3: pictures that they they had on the mound with Boston,

1681
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 3: I crushed them all. I'm like, why am I not

1682
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 3: in the game? And me and Sheffield talked about all

1683
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 3: the time. He said, man, don't worry about if it

1684
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 3: won for Sheffield, have went off more about it. You know,

1685
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 3: he kept me He can't Sheffield the one keeping you,

1686
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 3: so he kept me cool because I was going off

1687
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 3: and I just felt like, why am I not out here?

1688
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 3: Especially especially when Schilling had that so called bloody out

1689
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 3: of Buner on him four times. Get him off the mound.

1690
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 3: That's people understand stuff like that. If he's so called

1691
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 3: that hurt, you get him butter.

1692
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: Of the month.

1693
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 3: And I didn't play that. I'm like, wow, I should

1694
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 3: be playing that game. But again, Joe Torrey set the

1695
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 3: lineup he wanted. There was another story about the Steinbrenner tory.

1696
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 3: I caught up in that situation where Steinbrenner knew I

1697
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 3: was kicking the Yankees, but I was a Yankee killer.

1698
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 3: I kicked it butts all the time. So Steinbrenner said,

1699
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 3: you know what, I have a chance to get this guy,

1700
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get him. So I ended up getting me

1701
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 3: over there. He wanted me to play center field. They

1702
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 3: wanted Bernie to DH, but Bernie wasn't comfortable with d

1703
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: achent So and that was Toy was his guy. He

1704
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 3: felt like, I'm not comfortable with Dching. I got to

1705
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 3: play center field, but Bernie was on his way out.

1706
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 3: You know, he wasn't the gold glove as you know

1707
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 3: center field I was. So I felt I should have

1708
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 3: been the outfielder and Bernie, but Bernie like the agent.

1709
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 3: So they end up putting Reuben Sierra to DH and

1710
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 3: Bernie played out there. So that kind of left me out.

1711
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 3: So I didn't play a whole lot of games there

1712
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 3: during that time as a Yankee, and I felt I

1713
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 3: should have been playing more. And I think that was

1714
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 3: Bernie's last year. I think I played three more years

1715
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 3: after that.

1716
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 2: And yeah, because you went to Cleveland, I went back

1717
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: to Cleveland.

1718
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 3: No, I went from there. I had a two year contract.

1719
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,560
Speaker 3: Somewhere in this situation, they traded.

1720
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 2: Me, okay to UH my second year.

1721
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 3: I had a two year contract with the Yankees, but

1722
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 3: they ended up my second year, they end up trading

1723
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 3: me to the Phillies. I hit three thirty five over

1724
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 3: there the Phillies from the Phillies, I know, and then

1725
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 3: the Phillies to the Dodgers. I think I had three

1726
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 3: old six of the Dodgers. And then from there I

1727
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 3: ended up signing a free agent with Texas, and then

1728
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 3: that's when I ended up in two thousand and seven,

1729
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 3: I ended up starting with Texas and Cleveland. He did that,

1730
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 3: and I went back to Cleveland.

1731
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 4: And that was a three to one lead to Red

1732
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 4: Sox and alcyes CC has sent me a video of

1733
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:43,759
Speaker 4: you base running.

1734
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 2: Oh, and he.

1735
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 4: It was, I don't know if we could pull the

1736
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 4: play up, but you were on second base base hit

1737
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 4: the left field, third base coach holds you up and

1738
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 4: you give you give third base coach.

1739
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 2: You gotta see the video. Oh get the third base

1740
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: coach look.

1741
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 3: Like, what the hell? Yeah, But he said he thought

1742
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 3: the ball. The play was off.

1743
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 5: This game seven, check this out by Donald Line. I'm

1744
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 5: going I'm flying flying, Oh got it?

1745
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: What are you doing here? And he tried to explain

1746
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: his ball.

1747
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 3: Dude, the boy, Okay, the boy's gonna come this way.

1748
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 2: Is this the one you felt? I got away. Yeah,

1749
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 2: this is the one. This is the one that got away, bro,

1750
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 2: And you had a good jump too. Yeah, look at

1751
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,560
Speaker 2: the look back right here? Oh what?

1752
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I was hot, Bro. It's like, dude, how

1753
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 3: can you stop me? Right there? I'm the fastest down.

1754
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: The team To ricochet off the side, He's gonna have

1755
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: to set his feet and try to He probably won't

1756
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: even throw it.

1757
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 3: Just the second he had to run in and fill

1758
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 3: the ball and try to throw it.

1759
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 2: That was Manny too.

1760
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 3: Come on, I swore you know what I thought, ricochet

1761
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 3: into Manny's hand mm hmm.

1762
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: Oh, that's why he probably held the.

1763
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 3: Look I'm looking, I'm like, the ball's right hit. So

1764
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 3: when I look back at the ball.

1765
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: So obviously they felt this way too, because they're showing

1766
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 1: the angles, Like why would you not send them look

1767
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: at that? They don't know to get two different angles

1768
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: on a play like this, you know what I mean?

1769
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: Like obviously he should have scored.

1770
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 2: What was Manny like?

1771
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 3: Manny?

1772
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 2: He never?

1773
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 3: He never? He always forgot his wallet so went up

1774
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 3: to dinner. So I give him that. That was the

1775
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 3: you always, But Manny can hit. I mean sad for Manny.

1776
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 3: He did the juicing and get caught. He didn't have

1777
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 3: to great hit her. But again it was I'm not

1778
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 3: sure if it's part of that culture at that time

1779
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 3: for him and probably in Boston or what was going

1780
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 3: on there. But as you get older, our body's going

1781
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 3: to do what it does. It's gonna go in the

1782
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 3: downward spiral, you know. And some people again it was

1783
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 3: it was about making money. You know, you keep hitting

1784
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 3: home runs because they started getting giving contracts to guys

1785
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 3: hitting home runs. So and if you felt like you

1786
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 3: was on your way down, you wanted that big payday.

1787
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 3: Guys did something to help them hit more home runs

1788
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,600
Speaker 3: over consecutive years because you get paid for that.

1789
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: You didn't have a long time with them with bonds.

1790
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 3: It was a specimen. I mean it was. It was

1791
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 3: weird seeing him in the clubhouse and walking around. You're like, dude,

1792
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 3: this dude is a specimen. And seeing Barry, I've never

1793
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 3: seen a guy let the ball get right here before

1794
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 3: you swing the back. That's that's uncalled for. That's just unseen.

1795
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 3: And me and I still remember this play. We were

1796
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 3: playing the playoffs. It was against no. I was thinking

1797
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 3: it was the last series of the year and we

1798
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 3: were playing against We were playing against the Braves. Smokes

1799
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 3: was pitching. So the day before we were running the

1800
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 3: outfield the game or whatever, and Smost was out there

1801
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 3: doing stuff and he told Barry, I'm gonna come right

1802
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 3: at you brain. He's like, bring it on, bring it out.

1803
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, she's in the next day and all

1804
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 3: of a sudden they came warming up and I'm like,

1805
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 3: and then Barry hollered out and said, yeah, bring it.

1806
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 3: He said, I'm gonna bring it. We got to the game, right,

1807
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 3: So we end up at the first pitch, Smokes through

1808
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 3: ninety eight right there, and Barry jumped back, got back

1809
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 3: in the battlest box right. Barry looked at it. Right

1810
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 3: the next pitch, she threw ninety eight again, almost in

1811
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 3: the same spot, put a little over the plate. Berry

1812
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 3: hit that team rose up line Dry and me and

1813
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 3: me and Regie Sanders, and the dugout was like, did

1814
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 3: you just see that? He knocked him, not knocked him down,

1815
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 3: but he's just him think about it, didn't even think about.

1816
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 3: The next pitch was almost the same height, just a

1817
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 3: little bit over the plate, going, light work going, and

1818
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 3: we look up. Why we look at Redgie. He was like,

1819
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 3: did you just see that? So I'm like, yeah, I

1820
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 3: just saw that. That's not human. Every redgie is like,

1821
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 3: that's not human. You can't do that, bro. It was

1822
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 3: and just seeing the discipline he had at the plate man,

1823
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 3: it's like and the tough part about it, they didn't

1824
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 3: want to throw him a strike and they did they

1825
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 3: want strike that through. It was at the seats well

1826
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 3: the stadium.

1827
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 4: The only guy played against where we played it. It

1828
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 4: was a T and T park at the time in

1829
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 4: San Francisco, and we would play a couple of feet

1830
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 4: in front of the warning track and San Francisco at night,

1831
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 4: which one of the biggest big baseball and we were

1832
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 4: we were positioned correctly because it was either a walker

1833
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 4: or stopping.

1834
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 2: You catch it at the wall, gonna be oh, it

1835
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 2: is gone. And it wasn't nothing. But it wasn't no limitators,

1836
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't no like not broken bat, base hits, was none

1837
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 2: of that.

1838
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 3: It was just this or that.

1839
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 4: And I would go out early every day and watch

1840
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 4: Barry hit like this is when I'm twenty two years

1841
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 4: old and you just watching this dude, like the man

1842
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 4: incredible and he looked out for me too.

1843
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 2: That's dope.

1844
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: I asked Barry this, and I want to ask you

1845
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: this as as one of the greatest leadoff batters of

1846
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 1: all time.

1847
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:22,839
Speaker 2: Walk us through the process.

1848
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 1: As soon as you're you're digging in the to the

1849
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,879
Speaker 1: batter's box, what are you looking when you're thinking.

1850
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 3: Well, again, I already have my game plan set already

1851
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 3: before I even got there. I got my game plan

1852
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna do. But then you got to think

1853
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 3: about the adjustments. So a lot of guys don't have

1854
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 3: that secondary adjustment in their mind going on. Because I

1855
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,560
Speaker 3: always with study pictures, I understood what their strengths, and

1856
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 3: I knew what my strength was, and I knew who

1857
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 3: my weakness was, so I kind of calculated that all

1858
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 3: together before I went in there. But I got tow

1859
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 3: and say, okay, Kenny, you know what this guy does,

1860
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 3: and you got to make an adjustment to where the

1861
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 3: infielders play, if they playing over here, if I gotta

1862
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 3: look to pull the ball, if I got look to

1863
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 3: hit the other way. But I knew my strength was

1864
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 3: the other way, so I tried to figure out where,

1865
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 3: So in a sense, I was sometime I would try

1866
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 3: to do I would if I wasn't bunning they didn't

1867
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 3: know I was bunny. I think like I was bunny

1868
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 3: to make sure I get this infielders in a certain position,

1869
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 3: so I know, if I get him to move in

1870
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 3: a little bit, me slapping that thing by him was

1871
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 3: a lot easier. Or if I knew this guy slowing

1872
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 3: his feet, I'm gonna bun it right in front of him.

1873
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,520
Speaker 3: Or if they say this guy, come try to pitch

1874
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 3: me in, I back off the plate, and I said,

1875
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 3: if you come in and I'm gonna look for it.

1876
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 3: You know, I went deep a few times now, so

1877
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 3: but I didn't. You know, it wasn't like I couldn't

1878
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 3: do it, but I wasn't trying to do it. But

1879
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 3: if I had to, if you keep busting me and

1880
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 3: busting me in, I'm gonna back off turn a little bit.

1881
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 3: But I always looked at it as if I got

1882
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 3: off the plate, I still was comfortable away. If I

1883
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 3: wasn't as comfortable in. When you bag up, there is

1884
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 3: no more end now that when you back up, it's

1885
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 3: considered down in.

1886
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 2: The middle when they throw it in.

1887
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 3: So if you throw it in, you're gonna throw that

1888
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 3: pitch down the middle. To me, got to do it

1889
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 3: and That's kind of how my mindset is. I knew

1890
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 3: what I wanted to do. I knew with the picture,

1891
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 3: I knew the situation, so I already had that calculated

1892
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 3: in my head, knowing that there's a secondary you get

1893
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,640
Speaker 3: two strikes, I just protect put it in play at

1894
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 3: that point.

1895
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let us know,

1896
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: favorite ballparkland the.

1897
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 2: Words ball park.

1898
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 3: Oh it was Milwaukee.

1899
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 2: Toughest picture you faced.

1900
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 3: Toughest always say out lighter, interesting do a cutter and

1901
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 3: a sinker? Lefty. I didn't know which way. I mean,

1902
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 3: I got off the plate and I just got one.

1903
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 2: So is he going to fall into the nastiest single

1904
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 2: pitch you've ever faced?

1905
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 3: The nastiest single pitch. Probably Mariano bro right there in

1906
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,080
Speaker 3: the last minute. The hell that broke my back. It

1907
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 3: was right down the middle.

1908
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the nastiest, funniest teammate.

1909
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 3: Probably Alvaro Espinosa. He was a due all kind of

1910
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 3: like the people's fire, putting bubble gum on him like

1911
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 3: they shoe strings on. Oh, he's been everything.

1912
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 2: We've been doing that for years.

1913
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1914
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 4: All the big guys you're playing with, or scrappy guys bitch,

1915
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 4: Claren bra Who you want on your side?

1916
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 3: I got three guys, Oh, I got three. First one

1917
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 3: probably uh Kyle Farnes for Farnsworth the Cups. The next

1918
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,680
Speaker 3: one probably jose Mesa.

1919
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 2: He's fighting dirty, oh, bringing somethings.

1920
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,679
Speaker 3: The third one probably Sheffield Sheffield. Yeah, I give Chef.

1921
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:50,759
Speaker 3: I give Chefy at Tampa.

1922
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 4: At Tampa he was, yeah, and you're right there with him,

1923
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 4: though when they go down, you're not. You're not sitting

1924
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 4: behind him.

1925
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be on the on the

1926
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 3: side behind Chef a little bit because then know you can.

1927
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, favorite baseball movie probably Jackie Robinson story.

1928
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 4: That's a great one. Great clubhouse playlist. Who who making

1929
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 4: the cut? Probably Biggie right there and this is not

1930
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 4: on here.

1931
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 2: I just was curious. It just came in mind.

1932
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 1: What was it like facing as a lefty Randy Johnson

1933
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: in his prime?

1934
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 3: So you know, there's a whole lot of stories about

1935
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 3: Randy and me. He was wild and as a lefty,

1936
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 3: I was probably one of the few lefties that actually

1937
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 3: faced him all the time. I think myself and move

1938
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 3: on with the two lefty that for everybody else. David

1939
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 3: Justice said. He always said he come up with an ailment.

1940
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: I'm good he come up with you know, but least

1941
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 2: he's honest about it.

1942
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 1: It was.

1943
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 3: It was tough because what pisses me off about facing

1944
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 3: Randy He always wants a game. I got one thrown

1945
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 3: at my head, so so in that mindset that one

1946
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 3: is coming at your head, anything that starts at your head,

1947
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 3: you're thinking, here it is again. And I still face them.

1948
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 3: But I knew if I got on base, I'm still

1949
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 3: a second and third. It was stolen bases, you know,

1950
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 3: all the time. And I got my doubles, my triples

1951
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 3: off of him still or whatever. But I was one

1952
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,560
Speaker 3: of those guys that I'm not gonna back down, you know.

1953
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 3: I played. I played against him all the time, and

1954
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 3: I think he hit me once and hit me once.

1955
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 3: And it was in San Francisco and I told Dusty,

1956
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 3: I said, Dusty, if he hits me, I'm gonna go

1957
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 3: get it. I said to many times. And Duchy said,

1958
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 3: come on, kyload, don't do it. So all this stuff,

1959
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 3: but he threw a slider and they kind of hit me,

1960
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 3: and I was like, I heard Dusty callow little good

1961
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 3: bag out. I was like, all right for you, Dusty,

1962
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 3: I want it wasn't at my head or whatever. It

1963
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 3: was kind of like kind of hit me here or whatever.

1964
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 3: So I was like, all right, Dusty, I won't go

1965
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 3: get it. And I was like, I'm fed up, I said,

1966
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 3: Dusky before the game, I said, get me, go get it.

1967
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 2: I appreciate this, k This keeps the conversation going for you.

1968
01:33:59,160 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 3: I really do.

1969
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's put something together. We're gonna figure

1970
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 1: out some song now, because now you've got the platforms

1971
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 1: and social media behind you. We're gonna figure out some

1972
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: kind of campaign man to put you back in their

1973
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: minds and and and give you your flyer with the

1974
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: different you definitely deserve.

1975
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 3: But thank you, thank you for having the little all

1976
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 3: the smoke. I can keep going to blow the smoke out.

1977
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 3: We can, we keep doing it.

1978
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 2: We thank you, Kenny.

1979
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 1: See why, man, we had a great time today to

1980
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: wrap all the smoke.

1981
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 2: Dugout.

1982
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,440
Speaker 1: Shout out to the player's house out here in Arizona.

1983
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: We'll catch you guys next week.