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Speaker 3: is what did not make today's show. Not on today's
Speaker 3: show is George Carl and Boogie Cousins Twitter view. It's
Speaker 3: gonna make the show a little bit. George Carl is
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Speaker 3: letting Gary Payton Gar Michael. He's terrible on Twitter. Don't
Speaker 3: like the guy at all. There you go, it's in there.
Speaker 3: Coach K's grandson leaving Duke. Don't care about that. And
Speaker 3: the match, the latest golf match with Tom Brady, Josh Allen,
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers. None of that made the show.
Speaker 3: There is no jacket rewarded for that, Demonse, It's just
Speaker 3: a charity thing. The only reason we talk about golf
Speaker 3: is if Tiger's involved. However, I will now turn to Demanse,
Speaker 3: who might at some point today vacate that seat for
Speaker 3: a different family member for the first time in the
Speaker 3: twelve episodes. We've done this. What are we starting with today, Demansey? Yep,
Speaker 3: as we know you've already started your victory lap with Jolkic.
Speaker 3: Isn't too straight to Golden State? Yeah, you clearly don't
Speaker 3: think he's MVP. Yeah, but he's going against the Warriors alone.
Speaker 3: What's your problem with this guy?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: You know what, I want to do this once and
Speaker 3: for all, because by the next time we talk, the
Speaker 3: Nuggets might be done. They might already be eliminated from everything.
Speaker 3: So let's just blow out the rest of the rundown demonse.
Speaker 3: Sorry about your prep about CP three's legacy in the
Speaker 3: maps to the finals, We're not doing anything. We're just
Speaker 3: going to spend ten minutes right now, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to give the kojent final Nikolajokic take because I'm sick
Speaker 3: of this being misrepresented and it is. I have the
Speaker 3: benefit of knowing with utter certainty, with every fiber of
Speaker 3: my being, that history is going to judge this opinion favorable.
Speaker 3: And so here's all I've ever said about Niko a
Speaker 3: Yogi over the last couple of years. He is an
Speaker 3: excellent player. No one can deny he is an excellent player.
Speaker 3: I have not denied he is an excellent player. However,
Speaker 3: I felt last year that he was being elevated to
Speaker 3: a place a step or two above where he actually was.
Speaker 3: Instead of excellent player, he was league MVP, and last
Speaker 3: year I didn't like it, but I understood it. I
Speaker 3: in fact, last year said he would be second and
Speaker 3: on my ballot. Because Lebron got hurt, Embiid got hurt,
Speaker 3: I said I would have Chris Paul first. People wanted
Speaker 3: to give to Jokic. My general pushback was not just
Speaker 3: that I thought Chris Paul was better, but league MVPs,
Speaker 3: in all of NBA history, with one glaring exception, are
Speaker 3: supposed to terrify their opponents in the postseason. I didn't
Speaker 3: feel like Jokic did that. You can call it a
Speaker 3: regular season award, but what also is true is the
Speaker 3: way we've been doing it for seventy years in this league.
Speaker 3: And Mom, say, you know how much I care about this.
Speaker 3: I did a damn recitation of every MVP in order.
Speaker 3: I think it's the most prestigious professional award in sports.
Speaker 3: NBA MVP I think it matters, and when we're doing
Speaker 3: the rankings of players, MVP in top five finishes really
Speaker 3: really matter, and I thought last year Chris Paul deserved it.
Speaker 3: Instead Jokic got it. And then a great confluence of events,
Speaker 3: Chris Paul and Jokic play in the postseason. First of
Speaker 3: Paul's unbelievable they sweep the Nuggets and Jokic gets kicked
Speaker 3: out of the final game. But I dealt, guy who
Speaker 3: I thought should come in second came in first. It happens.
Speaker 3: You have bad MVPs. Give me right, Karmelone won one.
Speaker 3: He shouldn't have. It happened. But then this year is
Speaker 3: where it got truly bat crazy, because this year we
Speaker 3: changed all of the rules literally and figuratively for how
Speaker 3: we have done MVP voting since the media has been
Speaker 3: voting for forty years to make an exception for Yokich,
Speaker 3: so nobody that was a sixth seed or worse had
Speaker 3: won MVP except for Russell Westbrook, and we'll get to
Speaker 3: him in a moment. Jokics was the sixth seed all
Speaker 3: year long, and they were like, no, he has to
Speaker 3: be the MVP. And then at the same like, I'll
Speaker 3: give you a great example of why to me it
Speaker 3: had gone so crazy. Phil Simmons, who I have a
Speaker 3: lot of respect for voted Yokic MVP. He also said
Speaker 3: on the same podcast that he said he's voting JOKICMVP,
Speaker 3: that he thought the Nuggets were the single worst team
Speaker 3: in the Western Conference playoffs. And I'm sitting here saying, guys,
Speaker 3: that's never how NBA MVP is worked ever, where you
Speaker 3: could be the now back to back MVP, the best
Speaker 3: player in the league two years in a row, and
Speaker 3: everyone thinks your team stinks. This isn't baseball with Mike Trout.
Speaker 3: You're on the court forty plus minutes, you play both INDs.
Speaker 3: And the only response was, look at the advanced numbers.
Speaker 3: Look at the advanced numbers. They said, I was an
Speaker 3: idiot if I said, listen, I think there's seven or
Speaker 3: eight guys in this league better than him, still a
Speaker 3: top ten player. But if we're if you're asking players,
Speaker 3: and at some point players' opinions have to matter, who
Speaker 3: scares you in the postseason. I think Giannis's name gets mint.
Speaker 3: I think Kawhi when he's healthy, his name gets Mint obviously,
Speaker 3: Durant obviously, Staph obviously. I feel Lebron.
Speaker 4: How scared would those teams be if they were missing
Speaker 4: their second and third best guy. Okay, though, how he
Speaker 4: he's not gonna beat the Warriors alone. No, you're right,
Speaker 4: he's not gonna beat the Warriors alone. But at the
Speaker 4: very least, first of all, put up.
Speaker 3: A good showing. Don't get ejected again. Fewer points, fewer rebounds,
Speaker 3: fewer assists, your field goal percentage go down by ten points.
Speaker 3: In the postseason, when Russ was the sixty one MVP,
Speaker 3: it's a bad MVP, it was a bad vote. But
Speaker 3: that postseason he went thirty seven to twelve and eleven.
Speaker 3: He had a fifty point triple double. They won a game,
Speaker 3: and three of their losses were by six, four and
Speaker 3: two points. He at least was competitive. But it's not
Speaker 3: one mv it's a back to back MBB, and a
Speaker 3: back to back MVB should never be an underdog. And
Speaker 3: round one it's never happened. Who.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lebron won back to back MVP two thousand and
Speaker 4: nine and twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Everybody gave him the excuse that you know, he to
Speaker 2: have anybody.
Speaker 3: No, but so first of all, that's not true, and
Speaker 3: second of all, they didn't lose in round one. So
Speaker 3: let's go over guys who have won back to back MVPs,
Speaker 3: and we'll go through it. Wilt and Russell did it. Okay,
Speaker 3: that was a thousand years ago. All time great players.
Speaker 3: Kareem did it. Guess what. Kaream won a championship before
Speaker 3: he got his second league MVP. After Kareem did it,
Speaker 3: Larry Bird won three in a row. He had won
Speaker 3: multiple championships before he got his second MVP. After him,
Speaker 3: Magic Johnson did it. Magic Johnson had won multiple championships
Speaker 3: before he got his second MVP. After him, Michael Jordan
Speaker 3: did it. Michael Jordan had won a championship before he
Speaker 3: got the year he got his second MVP after Jordan
Speaker 3: did it just once after him. Tim Duncan did it.
Speaker 3: Tim Duncan had won multiple championships before he got or Win.
Speaker 3: He got his second MVP, won a championship in ninety nine,
Speaker 3: got his MVP an two and o three after him.
Speaker 3: There's Nash. Nash is the bad one. Nash is the
Speaker 3: one that everyone regrets now, and yet they're doing the
Speaker 3: same thing with Jokis. But at least Nash. That team
Speaker 3: won sixty two games and made the conference finals, and
Speaker 3: the next year won fifty some game and made the
Speaker 3: conference finals. They weren't out in round one. Then Lebron
Speaker 3: did it. Lebron, first of all, had made the finals
Speaker 3: before he won a second, before he won any MVPs,
Speaker 3: because he made him an O seven. They the first
Speaker 3: year in nine when he won MVP, they lost in
Speaker 3: the conference finals in six to Orlando. He averaged thirty eight,
Speaker 3: nine and nine in that series, thirty eight, nine and nine,
Speaker 3: and he got trust for losing. The next year he
Speaker 3: won MVP again. He that was the series against Boston
Speaker 3: when they lost in round two, and he was called
Speaker 3: an all time choke artist. They said he quit on
Speaker 3: the team in game six. Game six, by the way,
Speaker 3: he had I believe twenty eight, eighteen and twelve, and
Speaker 3: they said he quit. That was his final game with Cleveland.
Speaker 3: He then left. So again, let's go the next guy
Speaker 3: to win multi back to back MVP, Steph. He already
Speaker 3: had a championship in the bag when he won a
Speaker 3: second one. And then there was Giannis. Giannis, by the way,
Speaker 3: got crushed for the second year that he won MVP,
Speaker 3: they lost in round two to Miami, even though the
Speaker 3: previous here he had carried him in the conference finals.
Speaker 3: All of these guys had real championship expectations. No matter
Speaker 3: the supporting cast, none of them were Round one losers,
Speaker 3: and the ones who didn't deliver and hadn't delivered got
Speaker 3: incredibly criticized for it. I am now being told that
Speaker 3: it is unfair to say, hey, Nikola jokicch be better.
Speaker 3: People are like, oh, you're holding him to an unfair standard.
Speaker 3: He's the goddog thirteenth player ever to win back to
Speaker 3: back MVP. If we were listing the guys other than
Speaker 3: jokicch and Nash, oh I left out Moses Malone By
Speaker 3: the way on the back to back MVP's list, he
Speaker 3: had carried a team to the NBA Finals before he
Speaker 3: won a second MVP. But if I am listing out
Speaker 3: the worst back to back MVPs ever other than Jokich
Speaker 3: and Nash, the worst one is Moses. The second worst
Speaker 3: one is is it Duncan? Might be? Is it Steph?
Speaker 3: I guess THEO we're everyone told me all year I
Speaker 3: was a caveman for not putting Jokic in that tier.
Speaker 3: And then he falls on his face and everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 3: what do you expect from me? To be better? To
Speaker 3: be better? And people like, oh, well, listen, the Warriors
Speaker 3: are the better team. That's why we don't give MVPs
Speaker 3: to six seeds because you're all playing a better team.
Speaker 3: The path we're walking is a path that leads to
Speaker 3: why isn't Trey Young in the MVP conversation? Yeah, he
Speaker 3: scored more points than they wanted basketball all year, He
Speaker 3: had more assist than he wanted basketball all year. His
Speaker 3: team won mid forties in games. Oh, nobody can blame
Speaker 3: him for them losing their the nine seed. They stink.
Speaker 3: That's so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is always allowed to be awesome without having to
Speaker 4: be an all time great.
Speaker 2: I mean, like he's twenty seven, We let his career
Speaker 2: pan out a little bit more.
Speaker 3: And the answer to that is yes, if he wasn't
Speaker 3: the back to back MVP. By being the back to
Speaker 3: back MVP, it is demanded that you play like an
Speaker 3: all time great because that is the group you're in.
Speaker 3: You are in that and that all I'm doing is
Speaker 3: holding him to the standard that his defenders have claimed
Speaker 3: he's in all year. The most vocal yogic defenders have
Speaker 3: said the following things. And I know we're spending the
Speaker 3: whole first segment on this topic, we're gonna go overtime
Speaker 3: just a little bit. They have said he is the
Speaker 3: greatest passing big man ever. I think de Walden have
Speaker 3: something to say about that. R Vida bonus maybe even
Speaker 3: but fine, give him that. They told me that if
Speaker 3: you if you care about the numbers, he just had
Speaker 3: the single greatest individual season in NBA. His player efficiency
Speaker 3: rating the highest ever, one of the highest bpms ever,
Speaker 3: the first ever two K, one K point five K guy,
Speaker 3: which is not a thing we've ever carrid about before,
Speaker 3: but with we did, Like so, if I were on
Speaker 3: television arguing that, as people were fifteen years ago, that
Speaker 3: Lebron just had the greatest and people weren't arguing this
Speaker 3: the greatest season ever, he would not be allowed to
Speaker 3: then lose in Round one and this other thing that
Speaker 3: happens here with Jokic's it's a weird spot where it's like,
Speaker 3: well he doesn't have Jamal Murray and Michael Porter junior. Listen,
Speaker 3: Michael Porter Junior might one day be good. He is
Speaker 3: a great high school prospect. His back injuries. He's had
Speaker 3: a good playoff moment, some bad playoff moments. Jamal Murray
Speaker 3: is a good player, Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Junior
Speaker 3: are not good enough to be the difference between a
Speaker 3: team being swept in round one and championship favorites. And
Speaker 3: if you are the back to back league MVP with
Speaker 3: a mediocre supporting cast, you should be championship favorites. Lebron
Speaker 3: was he didn't deliver, and then he did when he
Speaker 3: went to Miami. But Giannis was, he didn't deliver and
Speaker 3: then he did, Steph was, all the other guys delivered,
Speaker 3: and so it's just unbelievable to me. And it's the same.
Speaker 3: It's the same. Don't trust your eyes and don't trust
Speaker 3: the players. The players show you and tell you that
Speaker 3: they don't fear this guy. And one other thing about
Speaker 3: Jokics this postseason, then we move on. Draymond Green is
Speaker 3: one of the greatest defensive players ever. He's also six seven.
Speaker 3: Nikola Jokic is almost seven feet tall. Jokic is like
Speaker 3: six for twenty eight with Draymond guarding in this series,
Speaker 3: has a half dozen turnovers and just got kicked out
Speaker 3: of the game because he was so frustrated by it.
Speaker 3: I have seen Draymond Green in playoff series against guys
Speaker 3: who are actually in the discussion for best player in
Speaker 3: the league. Saw him against Durant in twenty sixteen before
Speaker 3: Durant joined him. Durant got him, He got Durant, then Durant.
Speaker 3: He got Durant at the end in three one comeback.
Speaker 3: I saw him in four finals against Lebron James Lebron
Speaker 3: gott Is. The Warriors won most of them. Lebron got his.
Speaker 3: I saw Draymond against Kawhi Leonard when Kwai was healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Kawhi had to work for it. Kawhi gott Is the
Speaker 3: idea that Jokic is that caliber of player, which is
Speaker 3: what he must bean at. And we're like, no, you're
Speaker 3: being too harsh. There is no too harsh. And here's
Speaker 3: the last point. People say all the time, add the MVP.
Speaker 3: You know it's an important award, but you know, Shack
Speaker 3: only has one. And I don't know if you mean that.
Speaker 3: Shack only as one MDP award and Kobe only has
Speaker 3: won MVP award, and right now Chris Paul has zero
Speaker 3: and Joel Embiid has zero. You know what would have
Speaker 3: fixed that if Steve Nashon equally. Jokic never won him
Speaker 3: because in five second place.
Speaker 5: The ship.
Speaker 2: God, damn, must you talk about this dude man falling
Speaker 2: asleep over here? I mean, he's got to be done
Speaker 2: here pretty soon.
Speaker 3: I mean we've ended the segment about five minutes first.
Speaker 3: And this year it should have been Joel Embiid, if
Speaker 3: you want to make sure everyone gets one, could have
Speaker 3: been his first instead. Joel Embiid, Chris Paul, Shaquille, O'Neil,
Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant combined have two MVPs, and Nikola jokicch and
Speaker 3: Steve Nash have four. And I'm the ass for saying
Speaker 3: it's wrong. I'm the burden of proof is not on
Speaker 3: me and the yokicch fans, and then we can wrap up.
Speaker 3: It's like trying to prove a negative. If the Nuggets
Speaker 3: won this look we're competitive, or won this series against
Speaker 3: Golden State, they would say, see our guy's amazing. They're
Speaker 3: getting blown off the court, and their answer is, see
Speaker 3: his team stinks. No matter what they were gonna say,
Speaker 3: we were right. We rewarded MVPs one way. For forty years,
Speaker 3: it has rewarded the greatest players in league history with
Speaker 3: a with a Nash mistake in Ali Yokas, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm done, talking about it forever until next year when
Speaker 3: I'm told, Hi gotta give you have you seen this?
Speaker 3: R gotta give you three in a row and Larry Bird,
Speaker 3: Wilton Russell the only guys do it. Gotta give it
Speaker 3: to the Will.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know Steve Nash runner over Kobe and Shack.
Speaker 2: That's actually kind of insane.
Speaker 3: When at least Nash's team was a championship continent. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the only guy they gave to that wasn't a championship
Speaker 3: contender was Westbrook and Westbrook. I thought it was a
Speaker 3: bad MVP in real time, but people were amazed by
Speaker 3: the triple double average. But at least Russ then in
Speaker 3: the playoffs showed out. He's like, okay, I was the
Speaker 3: MVP because I averaged a thirty point triple double. Here
Speaker 3: he only played five playoff games that year because they
Speaker 3: lost in five to Houston. And what Russ did, and
Speaker 3: those five playoff games were game one, they got blown
Speaker 3: out by thirty one. He had twenty two, eleven and seven,
Speaker 3: and he got crushed the next four games. They lost
Speaker 3: by four, they won by two, they lost by four,
Speaker 3: they lost by six. And here's what Russ did. Fifty one,
Speaker 3: ten and thirteen in a four point loss, thirty two
Speaker 3: twelve and eleven in a two point win, thirty five
Speaker 3: fourteen and fourteen in a four point loss, and forty
Speaker 3: seven eleven and nine in US six point loss. You
Speaker 3: can't say, well, you know, he should have done more. Now,
Speaker 3: it was a bad MVP. He shouldn't given it to him.
Speaker 3: But at least if Jokic was out here doing what
Speaker 3: he did all regular season, it's like he had thirty
Speaker 3: eight points on eighteen shots, nine assists and they lost
Speaker 3: a close one. I'd listened to it. Instead, he is
Speaker 3: twenty five points and gets thrown out of the game.
Speaker 7: All right, so we finally talk about something different. Oh
Speaker 7: we're yeah, absolutely, we only did twenty minutes on that. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 7: we go on, this is a B block. Are we're
Speaker 7: going to start the B block? All right, let's go.
Speaker 7: What are we starting with? Sons lost game two to
Speaker 7: New Orleans. Yeah, Devin Booker left the game with a
Speaker 7: hamstring injury, so this is concerning.
Speaker 2: But before d book left New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Was hanging in with him at home or on the road.
Speaker 4: Should I say, yeah, is this just one game or
Speaker 4: is this the start of another CP three playoff collapse?
Speaker 3: I don't think Listen, losing to the Pelicans, even if
Speaker 3: Booker never comes back, would be a collapse. The Sun's
Speaker 3: got to be able to get through the series even
Speaker 3: if Booker never comes back, and I think they would.
Speaker 3: I also think it's worth noting that we never talk
Speaker 3: about this until it happens, but more often than not,
Speaker 3: the playoffs are at least part defined by an inn
Speaker 3: last handful of years, twenty fifteen, Kyrie Irving goes down
Speaker 3: game one of the finals after Kevin Love already went down,
Speaker 3: and it changes everything. Twenty sixteen, pretty clean, the biggest
Speaker 3: injury is probably Andrew Bogetting Game five of the Finals
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. There weren't any super significant injuries other than
Speaker 3: I guess well, one could argue Kawhi when Zazob put
Speaker 3: his foot underneath him, but I don't think anyone's beating
Speaker 3: that Warriors team either way. Twenty eighteen, Chris Paul. They're
Speaker 3: up three two on Golden Stakes. Christ Paul pulls his hamstring.
Speaker 3: They lose the next two. Twenty nineteen, Katie blows his
Speaker 3: achilles and the rap you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 3: the biggest reason the Raptors won of than Kawi's excellence.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty was pretty clean, but that's probably because you
Speaker 3: had the stoppage midyear. Guys got healthier, and last year
Speaker 3: there was oh Anthony Davis. Well, Anthony Davis goes They're
Speaker 3: up to one on the Suns in round one, dominating
Speaker 3: the series. Anthony Davis goes down, and then the Lakers
Speaker 3: never went again. They're never the same Sun go to
Speaker 3: the finals, So this happens. And I think the two
Speaker 3: best players in the Western Conference this year were not
Speaker 3: Nikola Jokic, but Luka Doncic and Devin Booker and Luca
Speaker 3: got hurt in Game eighty two, and Booker got hurt
Speaker 3: in the second game of the playoffs, so you do
Speaker 3: have to you have to be able to overcome that
Speaker 3: in round one and the MAVs. You know, it's tougher
Speaker 3: for the MAVs because they're not a great team. They
Speaker 3: have a great player. But I believe the Suns will
Speaker 3: still handle the Pelicans. What's most interesting to me is
Speaker 3: does this raise or less than the likelihood that we
Speaker 3: maybe see zi Zion back in New Orleans? Can he
Speaker 3: give them fifteen minutes? I don't know, but I think
Speaker 3: the Sun should be fine. But the Suns need Booker
Speaker 3: fully healthy to deal with the mAbs in round two.
Speaker 3: I don't think they can beat the MAVs in round
Speaker 3: two without Booker fully healthy. You know, I think the
Speaker 3: MAVs are gonna win. Are Oh, Scott Foster's in the show?
Speaker 2: Tell me CP three has lost fourteen straight playoff games
Speaker 2: officiated by Scott Foster.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is this a coincidence? Okay? So I want to
Speaker 3: be very careful here because I don't want to get sued.
Speaker 3: But here is what we know, and I don't know
Speaker 3: why No one talks about this, and I don't know
Speaker 3: why the NBA looked the other way. The NBA fifteen
Speaker 3: years ago had a true scamp. There was a referee
Speaker 3: named Tim Doneghe who was betting on games. Convicted of this.
Speaker 3: Nobody doubts that he denied. He doesn't deny it now.
Speaker 3: He'll deny certain aspects of it. But they had a
Speaker 3: crooked run. He said, I wasn't swinging outcomes. I was
Speaker 3: just swinging totals. But regardless during the time period, Google
Speaker 3: This America, pause the podcast in Google Scott Foster Tim
Speaker 3: Doneghie phone calls. I'll do it right now and I
Speaker 3: will read you the first result again because I don't
Speaker 3: want to get sued on this, but this is it's
Speaker 3: amazing that this is not discussed. The record show Doneghie
Speaker 3: placed one one hundred and thirty four calls to refereen
Speaker 3: Scott Foster, more than the one hundred and twenty six
Speaker 3: calls Doneghie made to his bookie between October of six
Speaker 3: and April of seven, the period during which he has
Speaker 3: confessed to betting on games or passing on game information
Speaker 3: to gamblers. So he had a ref that we know
Speaker 3: is crooked who seemed to amazingly all the time called
Speaker 3: this other ref who was also refing games. That ref
Speaker 3: is still reping games. He's a well respected ref, which
Speaker 3: is maybe why no one talks about this. He also,
Speaker 3: oddly enough, fourteen straight times that he has officiated the
Speaker 3: game involving Chris Paul, which crosses multiple teams. Chris has
Speaker 3: played for Chriss team has lost. Hey, I don't love
Speaker 3: how it smells. Is I guess my point on this?
Speaker 3: I can't prove anything. And again I think I'm clean there.
Speaker 3: But the Doneghie Foster thing always struck me as how
Speaker 3: is he still refereeing? And now that fifteen years later
Speaker 3: that he seems to have some bias against Chris Paul
Speaker 3: and they've lost fourteen in a row. It strikes me,
Speaker 3: is at least a yeah, it gives me a little
Speaker 3: bit of pause. All right, let's have fun. Let's play
Speaker 3: a little two rights, one wrong? What are we doing first?
Speaker 3: Two wrongs one right? Two wrongs one right? All right?
Speaker 3: Well I already got that one wrong? All right? What
Speaker 3: are we doing first?
Speaker 2: Kyrie's Vitega five for his behavior in Boston is appropriate?
Speaker 2: Too harsh or not harsh enough?
Speaker 3: No? I think it's right. I think that they I
Speaker 3: think fifty k is the mosture allowed to find a
Speaker 3: player for an individual act like this, right. I I
Speaker 3: don't have a general problem with players going back at
Speaker 3: fans as long on a moral ground, as long as
Speaker 3: they understand they are going to be held to a
Speaker 3: different standard than the fans, Like the fans aren't going
Speaker 3: to get in trouble at work, but they are at work.
Speaker 3: And what I don't love from Kyrie on this was
Speaker 3: is what he was saying after the fact. What are
Speaker 3: you saying after the fact, Like what about the hostility?
Speaker 3: What do you mean who says it was hostile? But
Speaker 3: not just that the idea The Boston fans are particularly
Speaker 3: harsh on Kyrie. I get that, but there have been
Speaker 3: plenty of fan bases that have gone after individual star
Speaker 3: players over the years, and most guys recognize as much
Speaker 3: as they want to go back at them, they can't,
Speaker 3: And if they do, that's fine. I don't see Kyrie
Speaker 3: complaining about the fine. I am very interested. We were
Speaker 3: recording this before game two. I'm interested in what happens
Speaker 3: if he does it again. Because you think you don't
Speaker 3: think it's on the board that he does it again.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I'd be amazed if he did, but
Speaker 2: I didn't think I.
Speaker 3: Mean, if he does it again, I wonder if they
Speaker 3: I don't think they would suspend him. But the money,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to matter that much. So
Speaker 3: I'm very curious to see to and you guys will
Speaker 3: have already seen it by the time you're hearing this.
Speaker 3: All right, what's next?
Speaker 4: The books say they're not worried about the Tom Brady
Speaker 4: and Dolphins rumors. Yeah, having said that after this season,
Speaker 4: Tom Brady will retire, re sign with Tampa Bay, or
Speaker 4: own and play for Miami.
Speaker 3: All Right, the first two are zero percent after Tom
Speaker 3: Brady is not retiring anytime soon, and I don't think
Speaker 3: there's really any chance he resigns with camp I think
Speaker 3: he knows they're done. So my answer would be the
Speaker 3: third one. But I just don't know if it'll be
Speaker 3: my aunt. I don't know if he's going to go
Speaker 3: to Miami, But like, what, well, try to be an
Speaker 3: ownership part of any team or go play What if
Speaker 3: San Francisco the team he wanted to play four years ago?
Speaker 3: What if Trey Lance doesn't work out like Brady's going
Speaker 3: to be a true free agent where he can go
Speaker 3: anywhere he wants. So I believe Brady is going to
Speaker 3: keep playing for years and years. I don't believe it's
Speaker 3: going to be in Tampa. I'm not certain it's gonna
Speaker 3: be Miami. The other possibility, I don't think it's likely.
Speaker 3: But what if Tua balls out this year? Mine was like,
Speaker 3: we've got our guy, he's young, he was our top
Speaker 3: five pick. I don't think that's gonna happen, but I don't.
Speaker 2: We can't Tom Brady at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: No, that is true. So maybe they would just move
Speaker 3: on from him. But I think Miami there was a
Speaker 3: lot of things going into it that made it right
Speaker 3: for him this offseason that won't necessarily be right for
Speaker 3: him next off season. All Right, what's next?
Speaker 2: Okay, Jordan Poole and Tyreese Maxie are zero future stars,
Speaker 2: one future star for two future stars.
Speaker 3: All Right, So I'm very confident in Maxie and I
Speaker 3: think Pool is in the best situation possible. If you're
Speaker 3: going to be a perimeter scorer shooter. What is a
Speaker 3: better you know, cauldron to learn in than the Warriors
Speaker 3: with step and play. MAXI was a five star kid
Speaker 3: coming out of high school, top ten pick college is
Speaker 3: one of your college and go the way people hope
Speaker 3: he would. So he fell in the draft, but he
Speaker 3: is a star, so I believe. So. I don't think
Speaker 3: I either will ever be superstars. I don't think either
Speaker 3: will people get throw around superstar a little too lightly?
Speaker 3: MVP Candid, he's looking nice. I think I think his
Speaker 3: ceiling is all star, and I think Tyree's Maxi ceiling
Speaker 3: is all star. So like I think for both of them,
Speaker 3: the absolute ceiling is a This isn't a perfect cup
Speaker 3: but a Donovan Mitchell type of player, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Like the could be the best player on
Speaker 3: a team. But if he is the best player on
Speaker 3: a team, you can't win a title. You're in really
Speaker 3: good shape if he's your second best guy. The interesting
Speaker 3: thing is, is Maxi already the six or second best guy?
Speaker 3: With the way Harden's been, he might already be their
Speaker 3: second best guy? All right, what's last? Uh?
Speaker 2: Cooper Cupp doesn't care about having the largest wide receiver contract. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he is a.
Speaker 3: Team player, a bad negotiator or is he bluffing? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think he's bluffing.
Speaker 2: I see it.
Speaker 3: Listen, the media loves running with the story of particularly
Speaker 3: how do I put this gently players that look like
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup that they are just selfless team first, don't
Speaker 3: care about the money. They play for free if you
Speaker 3: would let them. See just had one of the greatest
Speaker 3: wide receiver seasons ever. His team won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: and they won the super Bowl because on the final
Speaker 3: possession they finally started going to him and he won
Speaker 3: him the super Bowl. He's been underpaid. We are also
Speaker 3: living a world where the wide receiver market is exploding
Speaker 3: to unprecedented levels. He certainly has a case that he
Speaker 3: is the best receiver in football, and the best receivers
Speaker 3: in football now make almost thirty million dollars. Now, do
Speaker 3: I think there's a chance because they like la I
Speaker 3: think Do I think he is going to force the
Speaker 3: hand of I need to be the highest paid ever,
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think just like Mahomes, by the way,
Speaker 3: that's a thing.
Speaker 2: They just want to this point, they just want to
Speaker 2: be the highest paid in their position.
Speaker 3: Ever. Oh that's why it's always how it works. Like
Speaker 3: the next guy, like the agent starts the negotiation with
Speaker 3: the team as okay, the highest paid is Tyreek kill.
Speaker 3: So my guy needs the wociation starts at a dollar
Speaker 3: more guaranteed and a dollar more total. That way, because
Speaker 3: the agent wants to be able to say I got
Speaker 3: a record break in the contract the player, and so
Speaker 3: that makes me okay. I was thinking of it.
Speaker 2: And like the wide receivers, the wide receivers had not
Speaker 2: the age.
Speaker 3: No, that's and that's the Tyreek kill thing. First the
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams, then the Tyreek kill thing screwed up the
Speaker 3: wide receiver market for a lot of teams, like Davonte
Speaker 3: getting the deal he got. I think that's one of
Speaker 3: the reasons the Chiefs ended up having to trade Tyreek
Speaker 3: because they were going to give Tyreek a new contract,
Speaker 3: but then Devonte's dual was so off the charts they
Speaker 3: didn't have to top that. So do I think Cooper
Speaker 3: cups going to make them? You sometimes do get like
Speaker 3: the Chiefs got with Mahomes, a bit of a just
Speaker 3: won the Super Bowl, want to keep things together discount, right,
Speaker 3: But that discount doesn't mean it's significant. It means like
Speaker 3: eight percent. It means like instead of making twenty nine
Speaker 3: million a year, I could see him making twenty seven
Speaker 3: million a year. So I think for the most part
Speaker 3: he's bluffing. I believe, however, and I not blumving on this.
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Speaker 3: Okay, you got any warrants or anything you gotta worry about,
Speaker 3: You're gonna show up. I have several. That's why I figured, Uh,
Speaker 3: you just want to get started.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, all right?
Speaker 3: So welcome back in in my son's place now instead
Speaker 3: of demands is none other than my grandfather in law,
Speaker 3: mister Jones. Mister Jones, granddaddy, I see how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing good? So I got a question for you.
Speaker 3: When you first met me fourteen years ago? Did you
Speaker 3: ever think you'd be sitting here doing a little YouTube
Speaker 3: show with your old grandson? Nick? Right answered no, no,
Speaker 3: what did? Can I tell the story of when we
Speaker 3: first met? Okay, do you remember?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 3: Oh you remember? So I came to Sacramento. Yes, and Danielle,
Speaker 3: your granddaughter, told me we need to go see grandmother
Speaker 3: and grandfather and we need to get there early. So
Speaker 3: we got there at like seven thirty in the morning,
Speaker 3: and grandmother was cooking, and I came in the kitchen
Speaker 3: and you know, I talk loudly. Would you agree with that? Indeed?
Speaker 3: And we hadn't seen you yet, And then you came
Speaker 3: out of like a bathroom, the bathroom, that's correct. And
Speaker 3: how would you describe your clothing situation? I will still
Speaker 3: get Yeah, yeah, you were you were I think, shirtless
Speaker 3: and coming out. And do you remember what you said
Speaker 3: to me? Who held this white boy in the house?
Speaker 3: And you actually said, who is this John brown white
Speaker 3: boy making all this noise in the house? Yeah, that
Speaker 3: is exactly what happened then, And I introduced myself, and
Speaker 3: then you said, I'll be right back, and then you
Speaker 3: went back to your room and you got dressed, and
Speaker 3: then you asked me a question, and it was about insurance.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that part of it? Okay, you tell,
Speaker 3: you can tell the audience of online. I had just
Speaker 3: met him. Danielle and I had been together for sick
Speaker 3: seven months, but we knew we were getting married, and
Speaker 3: so I really wanted to impress her grandparents. So her grandfather,
Speaker 3: who's always been, you know, an imposing figure, but this
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago, so you were you know, you were
Speaker 3: in your prime. You're in the mid seventies fifteen years ago,
Speaker 3: so you're even more of an imposing figure. You say, uh,
Speaker 3: do you have life insurance? You remember that? Okay, well
Speaker 3: you do? Yeah. Grandmother sitting over there and remember said
Speaker 3: you said, do you have life insurance? And I said, yes, sir,
Speaker 3: I do. And then you said, is my granddaughter a beneficiary?
Speaker 3: And I said, yes she is, which I don't even
Speaker 3: know if it was true, and you said perfect. I'll
Speaker 3: be right back, and you called me outside, and you
Speaker 3: had a ladder up against the side of your house
Speaker 3: and giant hedge clippers and do you remember what you
Speaker 3: made me do? Yeah? What what did you make me do?
Speaker 3: Grew up the ladder in pim Trie. Yeah, their direct
Speaker 3: TV wasn't working, so he had me climb the ladder
Speaker 3: in the most unsafe fashioned imaginable with these giant hedge clippers. Wait,
Speaker 3: are you leaving us? You can't leave it, You can't
Speaker 3: leave yet, the most unsafe fashion possible to trim the tree.
Speaker 3: But now, oh, he's fixing the mic. But now, let's
Speaker 3: be honest. Fifteen years later, I'm probably your favorite non
Speaker 3: blood relative. Correct correct?
Speaker 8: Oh, yes, Oh, that's going to cause a lot of
Speaker 8: drama Sacramento. Did you ever I mean, since your days
Speaker 8: in the military, have you ever had this much affection
Speaker 8: for as you put a white one? No, no, yeah
Speaker 8: it probably didn't see that coming. No, this is one
Speaker 8: of the greatest people I've ever known. He has been
Speaker 8: how long you guys been married? Sixty close to sixty.
Speaker 3: Fifty nine years, ninety one years, young mister Abram Jones, granddaddy,
Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate it. Good to see you. She's
Speaker 3: on the life insurance? Now? Am I on yours? Is
Speaker 3: a better question? All right, We'll see you guys. Next
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