1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody. Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: and our good friend Lance Zerline here and Buck. We're 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: going to pick up where we left off yesterday. We 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: had a chance to previous some games yesterday. We're going 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: to go through some more Lance leftist with the nice 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 2: teas at the end of the episode because he want 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: to talk a little Jade and Daniels. So before Lance 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: gets to his notebook where he has fifteen pages of 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: prepared comments, let's get to you first here on what 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: you thought of Jade and Daniels. Really, not just this week, 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: but the previous two weeks where the punter had two 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: days off in a row. Here for the Commanders, well one, 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: I think about a bunch of things that we talked 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 2: about leading up to him being selected by the Commanders too. 16 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: Overall, I think about the conversation that we had with 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: Marouchi Jack coming in talking about the VR stuff and 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: how that really helped slow down the game for him 19 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: during his time at LSU. I think about the export 20 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: the importance of ourizing experience. When we're looking at the 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: next batch of quarterbacks, fifty fifty four to fifty five 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: career starts Arizona State and LSU. How those reps prepare 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: you to play at a high level. I think about 24 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: the importance of matching the play caller with the player, 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury experience with Kyler Murray, Pat Mahomes, being able 26 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: to take those things and utilize some of those to 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 3: help Jayden and Daniels get off to a fast start. Look, 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: I think there are a bunch of different factors that 29 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: are helping Jayde and Daniels have to kind of consess 30 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: that he's having early in his career, but look pass 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: off to him. But I think about the perfect storm 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,279 Speaker 3: that was created in Washington to allow this to happen. 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: I want to I want to get to Lance on 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: this and get you guys, both your guys thoughts on 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: the Sibuck follow up on it. But I saw a 36 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: thing the other day, and Lance you'll be familiar with it. 37 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: We're talking about Arch Manning and it was a report 38 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: I might have been Pete Damil. It said, you know 39 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: those that assume that one's you know, say, you know, 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: you get yours comes back healthy. He takes over and 41 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: then Arch starts next year. Everybody's assuming that he'll be 42 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: won and done because he'll be eligible for the draft 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: next year. And it was from the Manning camp saying, no, no, no, 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: we're taking our time with Arch. He's going to stay. 45 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: Think about Peyton that he stayed at Tennessee Eli, you know, 46 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: had a long time there at Ole miss. I think 47 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: with Jaden Daniels having the success he's had, you look 48 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: at bo Nicks, who's having success that he's had. Guys 49 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: at stayed in college for a long time, and the 50 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: fact that with nil you can still make a couple 51 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: million bucks while you're in college, knowing that the leash 52 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: has not been long in the NFL. And if we're 53 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: saying in order to be successful, it's literally you have 54 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: to have the experience. You're either going to get that 55 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: experience at the college level or the NFL level. Even 56 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: though the game is different, it's still valuable getting the snaps. 57 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: Do you think that we will see maybe a new 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: trend here of people saying, hey, I know that you 59 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: want to get your clock started and get to your 60 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: second contract as fast as you can, but the best 61 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: thing for your longevity might be to stay in college. Well, 62 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 2: have you you'll be making a couple million bucks. We 63 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: can throw some insurance there on you as well, if 64 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: you want to do that. But they's starting to be 65 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: a little bit of a trend and a track record 66 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 2: of guys who've played more football having more success. 67 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: Well, you know, bo Nix is a five year starter 68 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: and he turned it completely around from his time at Auburn. 69 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 4: It's TBA I mean well, I mean TVD. 70 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Well, we'll see how Bow plays as the as his 71 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: career winds on. But last week he had a really 72 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: good game. Jayden Daniels was a five year player right 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: three Arizona State, So he was a five year starter. 74 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: You had Caleb put his time into it. 75 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Caleb not as much. I think that's a 76 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: difference between Caleb and Jayden is that Jayden's ahead of 77 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: Caleb right now. He's got a lot more games under 78 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: his belt than Anthony. 79 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: Richardson and played nearly enough football. 80 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: Now look how far Look how far away he is. 81 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: Will Levis and Anthony Richardson physically just so gifted and 82 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: just they're so far away right now. I think Malik 83 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: Willis needed another year of college football. Honestly, it would 84 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: have helped him to be frankly in this in the 85 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: era of transfer portal, you know, movement, he would have 86 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: probably benefited from moving to another school getting paid. 87 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: And Donald was two years and Donald it. 88 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: Was only two years. Yeah, so I think that if 89 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: I remember correctly, I believe Pat. 90 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: Mahomes was four mahomes, but he came out as an 91 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: underclass but he was a full He started like thirteen games, 92 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: like three years in a. 93 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 4: Row, the world on every game too, by the way. 94 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that, you know, it's going to 95 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: come down to every individual player's perception of money. 96 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: So, by the way, Pat Mahomes didn't play year one. 97 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, like what we're getting at is 98 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: there's a certain amount of time in preparation and development 99 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: before you're going to be able to play. 100 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 4: By the ways, not ready. 101 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: And I love that the Patriots are saying he's not ready. 102 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: We're not going to play him yet because. 103 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: He's not ready, because he has not ready either. 104 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: That's another so but I remember I was at a 105 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: lunch and and Jared Stenham was deciding with a group 106 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: of people whether or not he wanted to go pro. 107 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 4: This is after his junior year at Auburn and in 108 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: the room. 109 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: I happened to be invited into the room, and there 110 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: was like Darryl Mory and because his father in law 111 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: now is the was the president of the Rockets and 112 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: now he's with the group that that has the I 113 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: think the New Jersey Devils and Philadelphia seventy six ers. Anyway, 114 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: Josh Harrison, those guys. So it was it was Chris 115 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: Paul in there. It was Ted Johnson, you guys remember 116 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: Ted Johns Me, Jeff Van Gundy and uh Darryl Moury 117 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: and so they were going around. 118 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: One person doesn't belong there, but I did not belong there, 119 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: trust me. I was talking about Van Gundy. 120 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: Belong Yeah, exactly what's he doing? 121 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: So? 122 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: But what I took away from it it was interesting 123 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: because Chris Paul's message to him was, if you're not ready, 124 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: are you having a good time in college? Yeah, if 125 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: you're not good, because if you're not ready to lead 126 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: grown men who are thirty one years old and on 127 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: their last contract and they've got two kids and they're 128 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: never going to earn a check like this again, if 129 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: you're not ready to do this, and he laid out 130 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: what a quarterback has to be ready to do as 131 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: a as a leader, even as a young age. He said, 132 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: if you're not ready for that, go back to school 133 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: and go have fun and enjoy yourself, and then you'll 134 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: get to come in when you're more ready. Darryl Moury, 135 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: who is an analytical guy, very much in the numbers, 136 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: he just to him, it's not even you go now 137 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: you maximize your you know, you get to your second. 138 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: Contract, you start your But. 139 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: The problem is this is not an analytical thing. This 140 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: is not guaranteed money. This is you get paid a 141 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: good second contract if you're good as in your first year. 142 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: Jordan Loves sat on a bench forever. Aaron Rodgers said, 143 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: on a bench forever. Those guys became good players in 144 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: a short period of time and got big contra. Look 145 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: at Jordan Love, I mean that's his patient as it gets. 146 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: He's one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL. 147 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: So the patient's thing makes a lot of difference. But 148 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: to your point, DJ, just seeing it, just doing it, 149 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: and more importantly, just getting through adversity. Jayden Daniels had adversity. 150 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: Oh Nicks had adversity. Those guys had real adversity they 151 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: had to get through. So starting off slowly. You know 152 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: how much adversity. I don't want to pick on him. 153 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: I'd rather pick on more Carolina. But Bryce Young, I 154 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: don't know how much adversity he had at Alabama. 155 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 4: I mean, he had the best offense. His offensive line 156 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 4: was gonna be better than the defense line. 157 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: He's receivers, even though they weren't, you know, the same level, 158 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: they were typically as good or better than the guys 159 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:42,119 Speaker 1: they faced. 160 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 4: He had good running backs, great. 161 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: Coaching high school too. You get to this adversity and 162 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: things really aren't great around them through no faults of 163 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: his own. 164 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: And he's not the biggest guy. He's a very small guy. Man. 165 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: That was a perfect storm of problem and in hindsight, 166 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: it would have been great to protect him for a 167 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: year by not playing him, even though he did have 168 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: a lot of games under his belt. 169 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: To your point, DJ, Well, it's also that it brings 170 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: into the question. I mean, like CJ. Stroud arrived at 171 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: a team who had collected extra picks previous to his arrival, 172 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: Bryce Young arrived at a team that not only had 173 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: traded picks, had traded their best players over the previous 174 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: years to bring him in. So instead of being in 175 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: a topping on top of the Sunday. You are the Sunday. 176 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: Like that's a different, a different way to start your career. 177 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: It isn't a perfect sign. So I do want to 178 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: give the other side of it. I mean, look, Homes 179 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: started thirty two games in college, so it wasn't quite 180 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: as many as I thought. Caleb started thirty seven. So 181 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: they're in this about the same boat you think Caleb. 182 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: You know, Mahomes got the red shirt for a year 183 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: in the NFL and Caleb is out there. The guy 184 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: that throws the monkey ech and everything is CJ. Stroud, 185 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: who only started twenty seven games in college, And you 186 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: could make the same argument for him that you made 187 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: about Bryce, which is he played with superior talent, you know, 188 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: with who he was thrown to yeh during his time 189 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 2: at Ohio State, and so it didn't have as much 190 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: he I think you have to allow for anomalies, and 191 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: I think c J. Stroud is a little bit of 192 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: an anomaly from that standpoint. But there's a lot of 193 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: other guys who've played a ton of football and the 194 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: whole point just being and we're seeing it with Milik 195 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: Willis having success at his second stop, seeing Baker, we're 196 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: seeing Sam, We're seeing Gino. Like timelines are not all 197 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: the same, situations are not all the same. Patience matters, 198 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: And I think the overwhelming takeaway Buck is this, if 199 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: you are going to make it with your first team, 200 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: your second team, your third team, and your first year, 201 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: your fifth year, it's going to require some incredible mental 202 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 2: toughness from these quarterbacks. So of all the things you're 203 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: trying to figure out, how do they handle adversity because 204 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: it is coming for everybody, and how mentally strong and 205 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: mentally tough are they to rebound from it? That's going 206 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: to be what decides ultimately the end game for these guys. 207 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. You got to be a tough dude. 208 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: And DJ what used to be looked at or frown 209 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: talked about the transferred portal, and I don't know if 210 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: it have the same negative connotation if it is used 211 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,119 Speaker 3: the right way. Bow Knicks and Jayden Daniels both transferred 212 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: from the original spot to go to another spot, So 213 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: we got a chance to see him at two different locales. 214 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: And if you ask Caleb, Yeah, if you ask the 215 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 3: people that watched Jaden Daniels and bow Knicks in their 216 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 3: first stop. They would be hard for us to believe 217 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 3: that either one of those guys would ever become a 218 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: first round pick. But you asked the second go round. 219 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: They talked about how much they change, how much the 220 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: maturity that they developed, how the adversity helped them develop 221 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 3: the callousness that they needed to be able to handle 222 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: whatever is ahead from them. Yeah, I think there is 223 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: something too. I want my quarterbacks a little scuffed up 224 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: before they get into the league because that ensures me 225 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 3: that they're going to be able to handle some rough 226 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: times or some bad patches that may arise in the pros. 227 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: I think you may. You made a comment DJ, it's 228 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: really important. Adversity is coming for everyone. But we have 229 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: to really and not we, but NFL teams really have 230 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: to operate under the assumption that there are anomalies, how 231 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: to recognize them, how to avoid them, because everyone's looking 232 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: for the next Josh Allen, and this is going to 233 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: be the longest search of your. 234 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 4: Life trying to find this next Josh Allen thing. Now 235 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 4: I'm hearing about it with everybody. 236 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be Richardson, it's going to be Levice, it's 237 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna. 238 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 4: Be Drake May. 239 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: The search for the next Josh Allen may take forever 240 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: because he's a different guy, and you don't go from 241 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: his Wyoming tape, which wasn't great, but he had the 242 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: flashes to what we see now that just doesn't happen often, 243 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: if ever, in NFL history. 244 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 4: And c J. 245 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: Stroud, I mean, you know, he bucked the trend of 246 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: Ohio State quarterbacks not working out and all the things 247 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: you mentioned about him. 248 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: DJ. 249 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: You know, his last year tape wasn't great, it was 250 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: it was solid, and then you get to the Georgia 251 00:11:59,200 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: game and it's like. 252 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 4: Holy crap, this is Nief this Georgia, and it just 253 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 4: so happens. 254 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: It looks like, now we're only three games in this 255 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: year and he's not off to as fast as start, 256 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: but it looks like the Georgia game was You had 257 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: to grade the flashes because the Georgia game was who 258 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: he was. But yeah, most guys who play as much 259 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: football as him and have everything going well for them 260 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: around it, but he did that personal adversity, Bucky. I mean, 261 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: it's not like, look, football adversity maybe not so much, 262 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: but he had personal adversity that helped to shape him 263 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: as well. 264 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, we talked about grit. Angela Duckworth did a 265 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 3: thing where she presented on it. Forever we've seen her, 266 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 3: Ted talks about it. We read her book Grit, which 267 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: she talked about grit matters more than your talent. Your toughness, 268 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: your mental toughness, your passion and perseverance that matters more 269 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: than the talent that you bring to the thing. I think, 270 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: as evaluated his scouts, we can all look at that 271 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: and say, yeah, sometimes guys just have a I'm gonna 272 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 3: make it spirit that is undeniable. And I just think 273 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 3: for these young quarterbacks there's gonna be a lot of 274 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: lessons that we can take away and it's going to change. 275 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: I believe the way this next quarterback class is stacked 276 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: up because there'd be more consideration to the toughnest part 277 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 3: of it, but also the experience. 278 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: We have eight divisions in the NFL. Four first place 279 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: teams have quarterbacks that this is not their original team, 280 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: and four of them have homegrown guys. So what that 281 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: tells you is that half the time you know it's 282 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: going to work out, half time it's not. But you 283 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: got to be patient with these guys because it might 284 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 2: not work out one place where it's just waiting for 285 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: him at the at the second stop. Justin Field's another 286 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: example we're seeing with the Pittsburgh Steelers. That was a 287 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: fun discussion. We got kind of away from previewing the 288 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: individual games, but I think that was that was a 289 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: fun chat to have there. 290 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: We'll be back right after this break. 291 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: I want to get to just a couple more individual 292 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: games and then you know, we'll we'll we'll wrap this 293 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: thing up. But on the on the conversation of Drake 294 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: May that you just mentioned, Elsie, we've got Patriots forty 295 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: nine Ers two to one and two teams. It's a 296 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 2: desperate forty nine Ers team at home. They have to 297 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: get a win. And then I do want to touch 298 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: on the Drake make component of it. At some point 299 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 2: in time. He's going to play this year, He's going 300 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: to start games this year, but I do think it's 301 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: still a feeling out process of whether they're ready to 302 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: support him. If you ask me right now, if I 303 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: had to go win a game tomorrow and it was 304 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: a choice between Jacoby Brissett and Drake May do win 305 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: a game, I would take Drake May and to enroll 306 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: the dice and take my chances. But I think they 307 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: are cognizant of not wanting to mess him up based 308 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: off of what's around him. 309 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I think that's the debate and the 310 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: limit that you always have when you have a young quarterback. 311 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: When is he ready for it? But here's the other thing. 312 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: I lock an, you go into the locker room and 313 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: everyone's looking at Jacoby Brisett and saying, man, we don't 314 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: have a chance. You know, it's one thing if the 315 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: veteran is playing well, but if he's not playing well, 316 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: you almost at the point of plug and say, hey, guys, 317 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 3: were gonna roll out the balls with a young fella. 318 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: You guys got to raise your game and make him right. 319 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 3: I can't see that it gets man a few more 320 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: weeks and then the Natives are gonna get restless, and 321 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: I think we'll see him kind of jump to the 322 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 3: lineup like that. 323 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: I think you have to look at watching Houston go 324 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: through with two coaches and David Cully and Lovey Smith 325 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: that were never going to be longtime coaches. You didn't 326 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: have the right guys in the locker room. You didn't 327 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: have the right guys on a roster of course didn't 328 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: have your quarterback, so there's a different situation. But you 329 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: could make the same case that I don't care what 330 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: the locker room says. If you're Elliott wolf and if 331 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: you're Drake May, you just say, look, we're not going 332 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: to put this guy in harm's way. We're going to 333 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: be patient. We know we're not a good team this year. 334 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: We got a lot of draft picks. They got ten 335 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: draft picks next year, and Elliott is under no illusions 336 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: of who they are and what it's going to take. 337 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: So I think that's very good having Ted, I mean 338 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: having Ron Wolfe's son run this team. I think Elliott 339 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: understands what it's supposed to look like, and he's going 340 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: to have the proper amount of patients now, you know. 341 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: It just so happens that Drake May probably does give 342 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: you a better chance to win than Jacobi Brissett as 343 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: the season rolls on. But I also think it's important 344 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: that romondre Stevenson. You know, they're not healthy on the 345 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: offensive front. They've got a lot of injuries along the 346 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: offensive line and they're beat up. There's guys not playing 347 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: as well, so they've got some problems there. But they 348 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: do have Ramondre Stevenson who can really bang a little bit. 349 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: They can play conservatively because you know, they played defense. 350 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: And hey, a team that played two teams that played 351 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: really well with rookie quarterbacks, where Ben Roethlisberger, who was 352 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: at least the three, if not a four year starter 353 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: at Miami Ohio when he was with Pittsburgh, and Russell Wilson, 354 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: who was a four year player who was with Seattle. 355 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: Both teams started off very very patiently, ran the ball, 356 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: played defense. I think you can do that with Drake 357 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: May and kind of keep him out of harm's way. 358 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams do the ball fifty two times. I mean 359 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: they're basically saying, let's get it Caleb, and he's not 360 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: ready for it, but I think he's tough enough to 361 00:16:58,800 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: do it. 362 00:16:59,240 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: Drake May. 363 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: Drake May shouldn't be thrown when he starts. Twenty one 364 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: passes should probably be the. 365 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 4: Cap on him. You know, you got to run the ball, defense, 366 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 4: eat the clock up. 367 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, these rips, well, no, when you don't have CMC 368 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: in that offense, buck. I found this interesting looking at 369 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: some of the next gen numbers from this game. Forty 370 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: nine ers offensive weapons struggle to generate separation this year, 371 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: with receivers averaging the fewest yards of separation at two 372 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: point nine of a forty nine ers offense and the 373 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: NGS ERA, and the second fewest in the NFL this year. 374 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 2: They can't get away from people. Man, when you take away, 375 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: when you take him out of the mix, that's not 376 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: They don't have those types of guys, which is crazy 377 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: with all the weapons they have, but they can't. 378 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: Is not because they got beat up on Twitter. I 379 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: think Elzemi had jumped in and tried to save me. 380 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: Surely after the Super Bowl. It might have been in 381 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: the day after whatever I talked about. The reason why 382 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 3: the Niners struggle is because they have playmakers, not precise 383 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: route runners on the reminhend and playmakers thrive in that 384 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 3: play action system against zone coverage Deebo Samuel and those guys. However, 385 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: what Kansas City did and what other teams did that year, 386 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns who beat them and gave them a 387 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 3: tough game, they played man to man on them, and 388 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: they took away the layups. And right now they don't 389 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 3: have the wiggle and the ability to get open. That's 390 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 3: why Ricky Pearsall was a first round pick because he 391 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: is known for his route running ability, and so when 392 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: you talk about Christian McCaffrey being the guy who can 393 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: create and exploit the mismatches against linebackers not being there. 394 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: We got a chance to really see what the Niners 395 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: are in terms of skill wise on the perimeter, and 396 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 3: it wasn't good enough against a team that's willing to 397 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 3: be daring and play man and man. 398 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: It is interesting that they've got two receivers that are 399 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: highly paid in uh uh, you know, or. 400 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: Primarily coming out or both catch and run guys. They're 401 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 4: they're after catch players. 402 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: Don't they allow getting I know, I know, but that's 403 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: that's who they were and I think that's still who 404 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: d boys. I think Ayuka is grown as a player, 405 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: but they're still clearly missing another element, you know, a 406 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: true X or they're just missing another elements to that offense. 407 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: Although wa Jenny's had a monster game last week. 408 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: How many carries you burn on that watch? By the way, 409 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: how many what's our calory at right now? Well, give 410 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 2: me a number, give me a number. I want to 411 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 2: see what LZ's done. As we're recording this at one 412 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 2: ten active. 413 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: Calori active calories three point fifty. I went home ate 414 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: to launch and watch and watching. I'm going to play 415 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: disc golf after this, so we'll get a little three 416 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: and a half mile walk in. Oh, no, DJ, it's 417 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: the sport of the future. 418 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 4: I play that the. 419 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: NFL sold on, Hold on, hold. 420 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 4: The NFL still here in ten years. 421 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 2: You were shoes when you do this, I mean, how 422 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 2: much how bad do you like? How much do you 423 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: smell of drugs when you get. 424 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 4: I didn't say I played in Colorado. 425 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know anybody. 426 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: I did play in Colorado one time, and it was 427 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: all of the stereotypes. 428 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: Were t I didn't know that there's such a thing 429 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: as sober disc golf. That is something that I'm just 430 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: learning about here. Well, I'm packing granola. You packed some 431 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: granola in your pocket on the way out there. What 432 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 2: are you doing? 433 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 4: Pack sacks, playing the Stocks? No granola, no birken Stocks, 434 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 4: just a gatorade and a dirty bag full of about 435 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: five different discs. And that's it. I kind of break 436 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 4: the mold in that regard. I'm not a fuck. 437 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: Did you hit the bike already today? 438 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: No? No, no, So I had practice earlier, so I 439 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 3: get my steps walking around the field. I'll go to 440 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: a yoga class a little later. 441 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: Uh, dog, how it's done. That's how it's done. Right there. 442 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 3: We kind of we kind of build it into it though. 443 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 2: No disc golf. How about they have disc golfer? You live? 444 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 4: No, I'm all right there, DJ. 445 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: What is the first Well, there is a tall in 446 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 3: the box. 447 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: You just haven't opened up the box yet. 448 00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but it's in there. 449 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: This might be the Is that a treadmill for a 450 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 2: hamster or a human being? That's not a very big box. 451 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 4: It's a small one for the office. It's just a 452 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 4: small one. Once football gets started, we're on. 453 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: We're onto the handlebars on that thing. It looks like 454 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: just the bottom part just. 455 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 4: Like it's gonna help them. 456 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: Stay balanced on that thing. 457 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 4: Fall off at any time. 458 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: That's fantastic. All right, last last game? Last game here 459 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: Bill's Ravens Buck. 460 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 3: Oh Man matchup of quarterbacks that I can't wait to see. 461 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: And the reason why is because the evolution of each 462 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: quarterback is makes for fascinating study time. I'm gonna talk 463 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: about Josh Allen first because I got a chance to 464 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 3: see him up close and personal and Lance when you 465 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: were talking I can't remember for his own dispot or 466 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: the previous one where you were talking about everyone is 467 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: out there looking for Josh Allen. I'm gonna tell you, man, 468 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: he's a unicorn. He's a unicorn in a different way. 469 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 3: And the same things that I can utter about Josh 470 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: Allen you can also say about Lamar Jackson. But with 471 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 3: Josh Allen has done, He's figured the NFL out. He's 472 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 3: cracked the code. Like before, he was kind of like 473 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: a wild bronco that was just kind of all over 474 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: the place, running around doing all this other stuff, and 475 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: he needed control. He now has learned how to insert 476 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: himself when needed. He can play from the pocket on 477 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 3: time and on schedule, but if he needs to break 478 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: the pocket, if he needs to utilize his legs and 479 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 3: do some of those things, he's learned how to do it. 480 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: And as the Bills have been around them and the 481 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: coaching staff, they've learned when to utilize him. They're gonna 482 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 3: run him into red zone on design runs. He is 483 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: going to scramble a couple times in the field, but primarily, man, 484 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: he's going to operate from the pocket, and he's going 485 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 3: to make it happen on time and on target. His 486 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 3: development is one of the more i would say, not perplexing, 487 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 3: one of the more surprising that I've ever seen since 488 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 3: doing this. You normally don't go from being an inaccurate 489 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 3: quarterback in college to being an elite quarterback in the pros, 490 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 3: but Josh Allen has been able to pull it off. 491 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, this game itself, I mean, I thought Josh was 492 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: incredible the last game out and look, I fell into 493 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: the trap of thinking that without his two wide receivers 494 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: gave Davis and Stefan Diggs and he'd be in trouble. 495 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: But I never doubted that Khalil Shakir could be a 496 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 1: really good target for him and help him a lot. 497 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: The same way I think Malki Corley could eventually over 498 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: there with the Eagles, but I always thought, Okay, Shakiro 499 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: would be a nice little piece for them eventually. Keanon Calman, 500 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you know, he doesn't get great separation. 501 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to really come together his 502 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: first year for him, so I couldn't find where it is. 503 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: And I did expect them to run the football more. 504 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: But what's happened is incredible efficiency James Cook has been great. 505 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: Dalton Kin kid's starting to come on, but Josh is 506 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: finding literally everybody. And when they're getting in the red 507 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: zone right now, they're scoring at a seventy six point 508 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: nine percent percentage, So they're scoring seventy six point nine 509 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: percent of the times are in the red zone. Baltimore 510 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: gives up sixty percent, So that's going to be a 511 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: little bit of a concern. 512 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 4: I think. 513 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: In their points per play, point six eighty seven points 514 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: per play. 515 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 4: Is a really really high number. But going from who 516 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 4: they were to. 517 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: A team that's saying, Okay, Ray, Davis Chandler and James Cook, 518 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: we're going to lean on you guys a little bit 519 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: more for a little bit more of the offense. 520 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 4: And that's Joe. And that's Joe Brady doing that. 521 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: Joe Brady, the same one who is the architect of, 522 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Burrow's passing game. And in twenty nineteen 523 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: at LSU, he understands that the best thing for Josh 524 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: ask a little less of him and you actually end 525 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: up maybe getting a little bit more from an efficiency standard. 526 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: All right, Lance, I'm going to quiz you on this. 527 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: We talked about him the other day on here with 528 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: Khalis Shakir. So, first of all, I had him as 529 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: one hundred and second player. I think he believe he 530 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: was one hundred and forty eighth pick Chris a bunch 531 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: of one handed catches, slot fade, sneaky, juice effort. As 532 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 2: a blocker, he's elusive after the catch. He was just 533 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: under six foot one ninety six, ran four four three. 534 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 2: My comp for him was who. 535 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 4: Oh man four four three. First of all, it's faster 536 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: than I would have thought. He ran your comp for 537 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 4: him at six I'll tall, six foot just. 538 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: Under two he was like five one one six, I believe. 539 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 4: So you need to do everything. 540 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: I won one seven one ninety six four four three, strong, tough, tough, 541 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: good blocker, elusive after the catch, slot fades. So someone 542 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: who plays in the slot matches that play style and dimension. 543 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 4: I mean you're throwing someone who's. 544 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: Well paid, someone who is very well paid recently. 545 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 4: It's not Cooper Cup, it's a I don't know who 546 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 4: is it? 547 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: A NFC north well paid slot receiver. Well, I'm and 548 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 2: Ross Saint Brown was my comp for him. 549 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: Wow, did you really so you think he has that 550 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: capability of getting down the. 551 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 4: Field a little bit more than what they did with him. 552 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm and Rob, I'm rov wearing people out in 553 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: the slot since he came into the league. 554 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: Do you think Shakir can be that kind of player 555 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: that I'm gonn Roz developed into. 556 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna tell you. In watching him on Monday night, 557 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 3: I didn't think. Look, I didn't give him as proper 558 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 3: dude coming into the game, but during the game he 559 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 3: was wearing people out in the slot. His vision to 560 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 3: catch it, catch him, run, make things happen on the 561 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: move is together and DJ is funny because without outing 562 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 3: the people that I talked to in Buffalo, they talked 563 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 3: about addition by subtraction, by removing Stefan Diggs and even 564 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 3: gave Davis to a lesser degree. It allowed them to 565 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 3: kind of put together a puzzle that didn't demand the 566 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 3: ball to go their way. And after seeing Green Bay 567 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: Packers successfully do it, watching them successfully do it, it's 568 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 3: going to be interesting only because the quarterback is good. 569 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: Can you get away without a true number one receiver? 570 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: And I will say this because Pat Mahomes did it, 571 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 3: You better have a gold Jack a CALIBERT quarterback to 572 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 3: do it, because if you don't have a quarterback and 573 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: an elite caliber, it ain't gonna be eve to get down. 574 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: This is maybe Lance can help me with the analogy 575 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: to current, make it a little more current, because some 576 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: of these things I think I find myself. It's like 577 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: the people who always just listen to the same type 578 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: of music. They never get with the new stuff, same fashion, 579 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 2: all that stuff. And I probably guilty of that. But 580 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: my thing is like, you can, you can. You can 581 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: go draft the pips and pay the pips, but you 582 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: better have Gladys Knight on campus. 583 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 4: Uh. 584 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: And when you've got the quarterback, you don't need a bunch. 585 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: You don't need two Gladys Knights. I got one Glass Night. 586 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: I can go out and just get a bunch of pips. 587 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: We can have a heck of a show. But I 588 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: don't know what a more current example of that would be. 589 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: Well, I mean we'll take it to the next generation. 590 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: You could say, Okay, look Bell, Biff de Vo. They 591 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: didn't have They did not have Ralph Transmant, they did 592 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: not have Johnny Gail, they did not have Bobby Brown. 593 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 4: These guys were not Now, Mike was a good singer. 594 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: But he could blow Yeah, yeah, as you heard. 595 00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 4: In the in the lyrics. 596 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: That they had to do what they they had to 597 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: make do with what they had, so they changed up. 598 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: Let's see something more current, because you don't really have 599 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: like four guys dancing behind one person anymore. 600 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: No, they don't do that anymore. Really the style maybe 601 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: it's more of an actor. Maybe it's a movie thing. 602 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 2: It's like, hey, look, if you can cast Hugh Jackman, 603 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: then you can go get a bunch of type character 604 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: actors surround them one. But you gotta have a star. 605 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: There's got to be a star of the show. 606 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: I say, I'll say Beyonce and Destiny's show, like, yeah, 607 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 3: float on our own, just like justin Timberlake could go 608 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 3: on his own. You can make anybody. 609 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: So now we're on now. If we're looking for a 610 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: current example, we're only twenty years. Yeah, where they are now. 611 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: We moved up a decade I think from maybe a 612 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: decade and a half from my original comparisons. Nicely done, 613 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: nicely done, boys, I. 614 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: Mean that's where we're at. 615 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: Proud of you guys. All right, that's gonna do it 616 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: for us today. We really didn't preview that many games 617 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: because there's too many fun discussions to have. That's what 618 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: I levelhen we get together, just like sitting what we 619 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: would do, uh, sitting together in a hotel lobby, at 620 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: the at the combine or anywhere we might get together 621 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: and just shooting and shooting the breeze. So hope you 622 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: guys enjoyed that. We'll see you next time right here on. 623 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: Move the sticks hmm