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Please 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: be aware the thoughts and opinions expressed by the host 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: are their thoughts and opinions only and do not reflect 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Coast am employees of premier networks, or their sponsors and associates. 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: We would like to encourage you to do your own 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. You are 13 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Mighty Hollis, I 14 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: Heard Radio and Coast to Coach they am paranormal podcast network. 15 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. Remember each week this is the 16 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: place you go to when you want to learn the 17 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: latest in what's happening in the paranormal world, the UFO world, 18 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: crypto zoological angels, have been near death, all of it, 19 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: and it's your personal story. Proboucome you get to learn 20 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: what your neighbor is experiencing, because obviously we still haven't 21 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: made enough progress where we are talking to each other 22 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: about these situations. So instead they reach out to somebody 23 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: like myself and try to lend some insight or just 24 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: share it. Some people just want to share and get 25 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: it off their chest. So if that's you, or if 26 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: that's somebody you know, if there's a story or you're 27 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: researching something, or if there's something you want me to 28 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: cover here on the program, go to Heidi Hollis dot 29 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: com and tell me about it. Give as much details 30 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: as you possibly can, because it really helps to paint 31 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: a picture, and and all honesty, I don't care if 32 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: it takes up the whole show. I'm just gonna read it. 33 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: They're just gonna go from there and pick it apart 34 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: and try to best understand it. I am somebody who 35 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: doesn't try to judge a person and say, oh no, 36 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: that can't happen that way, because I think this world 37 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: is always expanding and growing, and I think we're getting 38 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: these pieces to this big puzzle and sometimes it just 39 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: fits and it goes, Oh I get it. That so 40 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: makes more sense. Now, So tell me these little parts 41 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: tell it because we're all listening, we're all paying attention, 42 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: and um, you know we're getting places, so trust the process. 43 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: So again, Heidi Allis dot com tell me all about 44 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: it or shadow Folks dot com, and also check out 45 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: my paranormal comic strip at the Outlanders Comic dot com 46 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: or on Instagram at the same place. Uh, you know what, 47 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: I've got a really interesting conversation coming up with you 48 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: this Paul the Kit. He has a couple of novels 49 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: that he's based on actual things that have occurred. And 50 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: if you get into things like the Da Vinci Code 51 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: and things of that nature, you're going to dig this 52 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: conversation as well. But before we get into that, I 53 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: have an interesting conversation I want to have with you guys, 54 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: because oh my mind is being blown, absolutely being blown 55 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: about what this reality really in cases. Okay, So I've 56 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: interviewed so many different types of people. Reincarnation experts in 57 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: particular have always fascinated me. And there's something that I 58 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: got into a conversation with some folks and and I 59 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: read upon some articles and and here's a thought, here's 60 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: a thought I would have put out there too that Oh, okay, 61 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: so if you can get in your mind that potentially 62 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: reincarnation is a thing, all right. And I spoke recently 63 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: to some folks that are Catholic and uh, kind of 64 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: kind of high up and in their UH, and the 65 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: conversation and this is not something that is commonly spoken of. 66 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: Let's put it this way. So the conversation was, Um, 67 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think the best way to put this. Okay. 68 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: So Jesus with the disciples, they asked, Jesus, we thought 69 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: that Elijah was supposed to come before you to prepare 70 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: the way before you would arrive. And he said, well 71 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: he did, Jesus says, according to the Bible, he did. 72 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: You did not recognize him. It was John the Baptist. 73 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: And that's a part of the Bible that people will 74 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: point to that see, reincarnation was acknowledged even by Jesus, Like, 75 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: oh wow, that's that's deep. And it's something that personally 76 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: I didn't dig into. I wasn't quite aware of. Um. 77 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of elements of the Bible. 78 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: It seems like you read it and you read it 79 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: again and you you learn and find new things. Right. 80 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: So I had the conversation with somebody, Um, recently and 81 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: along those lines, and and it was acknowledged that yes, 82 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: you know that, in fact, the Catholic Church apparently had 83 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: taught that doctrine about reincarnation being a real phenomena and 84 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: um and if you listen and read some of them 85 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: research out there, when it comes to reincarnation, it has 86 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: been proven and amazingly some of the people in certain 87 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: parts of the world, especially in Asian parts of the world. 88 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: Uh the people reincarnate within the same family, and they 89 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: have scars and memories and and like absolutely traceable stuff 90 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: to you know, children saying I I died over here 91 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: and and this is still hurting me, and I's got 92 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: the scar and or this this birthmark type of thing. 93 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: And so birthmarks and people that get hypnotically regressed they 94 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: recall also why they have like a tumor somewhere or 95 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: a scar or a pain or something or a deformity 96 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: and they lost their ear in a former life and 97 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: and these scars and marks actually carry over and on 98 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: and uh so this is this is a phenomenon that's 99 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: been research and spoken on for years. And I ask 100 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: anybody who has been hypnotically regressed and how they recall 101 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: a past life, they recall something that they've done and 102 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: and it and it helps them in this lifetime to grow. 103 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: And I find that to be absolutely just fascinating and intriguing. 104 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: And and if you haven't dug into the topic, be 105 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: prepared to have your mind blown because when you think 106 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: about it, what do these people have to gain to 107 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: really talk about it. I mean, it's not again, it's 108 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: not something that you're going to make a living off 109 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: from to share. And it's not like you're going to 110 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: be revered as who you're something cool. But one of 111 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: the things that you know, that I saw early on 112 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: when I did start hearing these stories of reincarnation, it 113 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: was a bit dismaying that everybody felt that they were 114 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: a king or queen or you know, nobody's clean the toilets, 115 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 1: you know, nobody picked up after the animals or something. 116 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, it was just always something of great prestige 117 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: and uh and but for all we know, those people 118 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: had a reincarnation and they worked their way up to 119 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: become that king or queen. So they just don't care 120 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: to talk about that lifetime where they did clean up 121 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: after animals, you know, or something. You know, for all 122 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: we know, Um, so I'm thinking about that. Oh. This 123 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: is also important to note that in like Western societies, UH, 124 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: we take longer to reincarnate, apparently on average ten twenty 125 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: years or something, and and then other countries it's a 126 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: lot shorter. It's it could be mere months that they 127 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: reincarnate because their belief system is as such that they're 128 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: more open to the idea of uh coming back. And 129 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: I find that cool, you know, like, who who would 130 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: have thought that that is something that It's like, well, 131 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: of course, well we'll see you later, George, you know, 132 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: and hopefully you'll be my next kid, you know. Wow. Um, 133 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: but here we expect to see our past loved ones, 134 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: so they wait for us on the other side, Like 135 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: that's the thought, all right. So okay, so this is 136 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: this is mind boing. Okay, so check this out. What if? 137 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: What if that is truly the case? That's truly the case, 138 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: And so we know we're going to be reincarnated, and 139 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: we also know what more than likely is happening in 140 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: our family group within the same line of people, Like 141 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: people are once the daughter and they're the father the 142 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: next time. Like these are the patterns. Okay, so you know, 143 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: we wonder about the greed of people who have a 144 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: lot of money, right, and they just keep hoarding things 145 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: and and stacking up their millions. And you know, we're 146 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: not even thinking along the lines of reptilians that live 147 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: uh a thousand years and they shed their skin and 148 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: then become a different person. Like that's also another rumor, 149 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: but um, not as factually based. But yeah, um, if 150 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: you follow some of the research about that, not not 151 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: everything is is human among us. Okay, Um, who knows. 152 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: I've seen some crazy things, and I have met people 153 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: who have seen shape shifting reptilians, and um, I'm pretty 154 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: sure I've met some uh myself, and I have seen 155 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: some things that just are not of this universe. Um. 156 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: Can they shed their skin and look different? I'm sure? Um, 157 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: But anyways, get this all right, So say you are 158 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: an old geezer and you're like, you know, multimillionaire, and 159 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: you just keep buying up properties and everybody's like, you know, 160 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: you took that that you took advantage of a poor 161 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: farmer and you you know, totally ripped them off and 162 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: grab their land and they they are just ruthless in it, 163 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: and you just don't understand. It's like you're you got 164 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: one foot in the grave and one foot out. That 165 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Why are you doing this? Why are 166 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: these people doing this? It's like, oh, for their their children, 167 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: and they're grandchildren, great grandchildren, you know, trying to develop 168 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: wealth that extends on and on. We all know about 169 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: family wealth, right, And if you your family starts with 170 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: nothing and you have to build that up so your 171 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: kids can live a better life and and pass that on, 172 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: pass the business on. You know, a lot of people 173 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: all they had to do was land here in the 174 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: United States and boop, hey, did you want some farmland? 175 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: Here you go, you can have that. And in that 176 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: game family wealth and that family wealth was passed on traditionally, right, 177 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: and it perpetuates. And if you happen to be of 178 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: a slave um family and you start with nothing, and 179 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: then you're limited on what you can have after you're 180 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: not a slave, and it's a bit harder. And then 181 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, redlining of of neighborhoods and uh, you know, 182 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: not getting the loan, and it's it's a bit harder 183 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: to gather things, right, So imagine this if you know 184 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: and you have this great understanding, which a lot of people, 185 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: a lot of more wealthy people are able to gather 186 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: and and live in another understanding of this reality and 187 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: technologies and research and have things proven to them and 188 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: have personal presentations done. Imagine if they had factual proof 189 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: and understanding, how they do reincardnate within the same family 190 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: and they have built this family well, and we say 191 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: that you can't take it with you when you cross 192 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: to the other side, what if? Yeah, that's true, but 193 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: you know you'll be back to enjoy the spoils of 194 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: what you hoarded in your former lifetime. So yeah, you 195 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: might actually be in a sense able to take it 196 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: with you or store it because you know you'll be 197 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: right back in that family line and you are going 198 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: to have a great time spending it. How about them apples? Huh? Apples? 199 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: But isn't it crazy? So if reincarnation is true and 200 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: we are reincarnating, usually within the same family line, and 201 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: we're hoarders of wealth and fame and all of that stuff, 202 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: you are essentially giving it back to yourself in your 203 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: next lifetime because a whole new meaning to generational wealth, 204 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: doesn't it? M M too on that? All right? So 205 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: I just had to talk about that. We're gonna have 206 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: an interesting conversation here with Papakat. 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This is 226 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: free show audio so don't wait. Coast to Coast AM 227 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: dot com is where you want to be. Welcome back. 228 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Ing 229 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio A Coast to Coast 230 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: a AM her normal podcast network. As promised, I have 231 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: a interesting guest. I have Paulocat, who is a thirteen 232 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: year veteran of the Air Force and during one of 233 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: his assignments, he accidentally discovered a secret basement that housed 234 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: a huge priogenic chamber, likely used to store cadavers from 235 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: UFO crashes. His first book chronicles his meditational experiences and 236 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: transmissions with an advanced race and contact with people who 237 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: have extraordinary abilities and experiences. His second book is based 238 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: on a real life person where during an ailien abduction, 239 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: she was given the ability to manipulate energy waves. So 240 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome Paul Vick get to the show. 241 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: How are you doing today there? Paul? Very well, thank you. 242 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: So you've got a couple of novels that are fascinating. 243 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little background first though, like 244 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: what got you interested in the topics that you are 245 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: currently diving into? Right? Well, um, the first novel is 246 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: somewhat autobiographical, so it takes into account ten years of 247 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: my experiences and condenses into two weeks to give it 248 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: some plot, but essinceally, it all started when when I 249 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: was an officer in the Air Force and I discovered 250 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: a secret basement that had a graduate ex chamber. So 251 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: I FEG, you're a keptic davers from from Roswell And 252 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: in sure enough, it kind of matches a story from UH, 253 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: people that have been researching Roswell and UH just a 254 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: lot of experiences where it happened to me. Um in 255 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: the span of you know, ten years, starting with two 256 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, when I started to meditate, there were 257 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: things that were happening, and Uh, I began to write 258 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: a blog and UM, once I applied for the military again, UM, 259 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm back with the U. S. Army. Uh. I needed 260 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: to remove the blog, but I kept all the information 261 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: and so with all that information, I I put it 262 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: into the book, which is based on people that I've met, 263 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: experiences that I had either out of body experiences and 264 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: meditation or other experiences with psychic people that were mediums 265 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: for me where I had transmissions from from other entities. 266 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: And the second book is nothing more than a prequel 267 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: of the first one. UM based on one of the 268 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: characters in in the first one. Can I ask you 269 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: so to back it up a little bit? So you 270 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: you came across you said, of crogenic chamber where the 271 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: beings from ros well we're kept. That's that's pretty amazing. 272 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: And you're a second lieutenant in the Air Force. At 273 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: the time, I was a captain in the Air Force. 274 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: I was at right Patterson Air Force Base. I was 275 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: a construction manager and at that time one of my 276 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: duties involved UM going in the second floor of a 277 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: building which housed UH Foreign Technology Division, and for Technology 278 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: Division is meant to UH. It was set up to 279 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: evaluate threats, weaknesses, strengths from foreign entities. And then the 280 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: base that I was at Right Patterson was the research 281 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: and development arm of the Air Force where they would 282 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: take that information and set up weapons systems to combat 283 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: UM or take advantage of weaknesses. So Foreign Technology Division 284 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: was where I found that secret basement. It was in 285 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: a warehouse type building, very large. When you walked in, 286 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: even if you had a top secret clearance, you still 287 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: had to be escorted. UM. It was compartmented so that 288 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: there were no numbers on the doors, no names, people 289 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: that worked in one office didn't know what was going 290 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: on in the other office, no directories, and so you know, 291 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: very very uh sens of stuff going on in there. Yeah, 292 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: how did you don't you pull that together too to 293 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: know that it was Roswell connected? I mean, did your 294 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: mind go there right away or what? Yeah? I guess, 295 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: I guess so, because first of all, the crowd m 296 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: chamber was the dimension was like seventy by nine huge. 297 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: And you know when you figure, okay, it's it's a 298 00:19:54,760 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: four technology division. So if you expand foreign technology beyond 299 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: just our adversaries on Earth, then you start to get 300 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: an idea that, um, well maybe they are applying uh 301 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: the mission of foreign technology to things beyond Earth as well. 302 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: That's amazing. It was that big. Yeah, what were they 303 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: throwing armies of aliens in there? That's that's himongous. I don't. 304 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, Um, I didn't. I don't even know 305 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: how to gain access to the basement. I just saw it. 306 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: I saw the drawings for it. That is, because the 307 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: drawings were in a set of drawings that were used 308 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: for me. I used them to evaluate a project that 309 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: was going on in the second floor. They're called as 310 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: builts so and as well, drawing represents the condition of 311 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: the facility at the time. And I looked twice to 312 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: make sure that what I saw really matched the footprint 313 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: of the bill thing and and sure enough it did. 314 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: So that was sense of information, I think, in that 315 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: roll of drawings. And I had an escort. The escort 316 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: did not notice me seeing those drawings. I rolled them up, 317 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: put them back, and I kept that all to myself 318 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: until fleeing five years after I left the service. My goodness, 319 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: and you won't get in trouble talking about this stuff 320 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: as you are, all right. Let me tell you something. 321 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: The the place that that I mentioned in the book, uh, 322 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: and what I'm mentioning now, the building itself is gone. 323 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: There's no sign of it there right now. It would 324 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: be like a parking lot if you look at it 325 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: on Google Earth where the site used to be. But 326 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: it is a gone and you can't even if you 327 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: try and search demolition of building one at right Parison 328 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: Air Force Station, there's no information that they have wiped 329 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: it out. Wow. That's crazy. Wow. So if your mind 330 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: went there right away that, gosh, this must be related 331 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: to the Rostell crash, where you must have had interest 332 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: in this topic for some time then beforehand. No, yeah, um, 333 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, and I documented in in the first book, Um, 334 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: how I developed my belief system and my interests. Um, 335 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, starting when I was a Catholic boy in 336 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: school and questioning everything about Catholicism and then uh, you know, 337 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: having a deep interest in space exploration and science fiction. Um. 338 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: But I guess the the one believe or not, The 339 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: one thing that set me on the path was listening 340 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: to a Coast to coast show accidentally when I was 341 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: in high school. Uh. I tuned in and I was 342 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: listening and Eric van Donkin was speaking, and he was 343 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: speaking about the Bible and was speaking about Eze And 344 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: you know you put those two things together for me, 345 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: and you really have my interest, and yeah, I believe it. 346 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: So you never personally experienced anything out of the ordinary, No, 347 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: I I had. You know, I was pretty normalist in 348 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: that respect that there was nothing extraordinary that was happening 349 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: to me, you know, having abilities or anything like that. 350 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: Not until I started to um, actually you know, activate 351 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: myself with meditation. That's when that's when things started really happening. 352 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: When people when I started to meet people that it, 353 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, worse a part of a synchronicity if you will, 354 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: on the whole thing. And when I started to um 355 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: meet psychics, and psychics would tell me that I had 356 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: a special role. That's when when things started really to happen, 357 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 1: and when I started to put this all everything together 358 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: and understand, um why they were happening to me. That's interesting. 359 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: I hear a lot of people say, you know, begin 360 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: with meditating and reaching out and manifesting destiny, and uh, 361 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: it does seem to work for a lot of people. 362 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: It I'm I'm really always trying to figure out the pattern, 363 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: um that happens to people once they open their minds, 364 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: because for years I held UFO Paranormal Discussion group for 365 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: over fifteen years and people would come just because they 366 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: were interested in the topic, right, But by the next month, 367 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: the next meeting, they would come with a story that 368 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: they experienced something they saw a UFO or or something 369 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: else happened out of the ordinary. And I was like, 370 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: what is this. It's like a triggering. I mean, what 371 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: do you think that is that that's what happened to 372 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: you once you started meditating. Well, as I kind of 373 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: right in the book. UM, I think everyone has some 374 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: sort of role, and you don't really find out the 375 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: role until things start to happen to you and UM. 376 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: For for me, UM, you know, things didn't begin to 377 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: happen to me when until I really settled here in 378 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: West Virginia, because it was here, uh, in West Virginia, 379 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: that I met a colonel that happened to have all 380 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: kinds of experiences and transmissions and visions related to UM Armageddon, 381 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: related to um you know what people would call UM 382 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: the Virgin Mary appearing to him, UM the Angel Gabriel. 383 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: And he thought he was going crazy. And I explained 384 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: to him, actually, before he revealed all this to me, 385 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: we were supposed to talk about UFOs in Antarctica, and 386 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: before we sat down, I just stopped him in the 387 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: middle of his tracks and I told him, listen, you 388 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: need to understand that we are in the middle of 389 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: a spiritual war. Oh, that's amazing. And with that he 390 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: just opened up. Uh. And he didn't say anything to anyone, 391 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: of course, for fear of being UM labeled as crazy. Right, Okay, 392 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: we hold it right there because we've got to get 393 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: to our next break. This is like a spiritual warfare 394 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: Da Vinci Code esque type of novels that you got 395 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: going here, all based on reality, deep deep stuff. Well, 396 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: you guys, we are going to get to our next break. 397 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 398 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 399 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around for more All of 400 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: the Cat after this. Okay, folks, we need your music. Hey, 401 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: it's producer Tom at Coast to Coast AM and every 402 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: first Sunday of the month, we play music from emerging 403 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: artists just like you. 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You are listening to 411 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 412 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM para normal podcast Network. 413 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: I have All the Cat and that he was sharing 414 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: a story regarding an army colonel who he came across, 415 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: and you both just had one of these bro moments 416 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: where you, guys realized you're having these, uh, these experiences 417 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 1: that pulled you to a new level. And and of 418 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: course it's like, you know, here's the two military guys. 419 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: It's like I get it where it's like there's a 420 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: hesitation do I open up fully? And you totally just 421 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: like stopped him, and you're like, hey, guys, I get you. 422 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: You know, we're in a spiritual war. So how did 423 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: that conversation continue? Um? Well, he told me as I 424 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: mentioned that he had been visited by uh, someone that 425 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: looked like Mary. He would go to a shrine that 426 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: is devoted to um Mary called the Lady of Snow, 427 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: Our Lady of Snow, and that's in Missouri, UM. And 428 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: over there he would get visions um while praying, praying, 429 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: and at one time he was given a vision of 430 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: himself given a speech to people in what appeared to 431 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: be like an armageddon and they were about to join 432 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: forces against evil, and evil did not appear human. And 433 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: so um, he was just relaying all of these details 434 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: to me, And did he say what it looked like? 435 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: What did the evil look like? Yeah, they were like demons. 436 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: They he said that the sky opened up and you 437 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: know these uh demons that were using their you know 438 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: they're they're superhuman forces to fight our our human forces. 439 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: And then when they were advancing on us, the sky 440 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: opened up again and what appeared to be angels came 441 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: down and started to fight with us. M hm. So 442 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: literally like demonic, like something out of a drawing, and 443 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: our this rendition of demons that's what he saw. Yeah, wow, okay, 444 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: and um, so I documented all of this, and uh, 445 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: you know I I indicated to him that you know, 446 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: when I when the time came that I was writing 447 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: the novel, because I didn't know I was going to 448 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: write the novel. When I talked to him, I passed 449 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: on that the chapter that he his character appears in, 450 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: and he he approved it. The character's name is Gerald McGeorge. 451 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: And obviously I don't state the name of the colonel 452 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: as as I mentioned. Um, the book, which is called 453 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: The Disclosure Paradox, was written to capture all of these 454 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: either individuals that I met or uh anything that happened 455 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: to me, and and tied in where Um, I bridget 456 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: gap between science and religion, and I also present the 457 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: link between the extraterrestrial phenomenon in our spirituality amazing. And 458 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: so you have is this colonel he's Is he playing 459 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: a main role in how he's connecting the dots between 460 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: these two or is your character interjected in their connecting everything? 461 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: The character of Gerald mc george is just inserted in 462 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: there to present this side of the story. Um, there's 463 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: a couple of characters that go cross country and in 464 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: the journey they meet different people that help them with 465 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: understanding why they're going across the country. And their destination 466 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: is dul Say by the way, So he's he's on 467 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: the stop and you know that it's it's just a 468 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: way of reinforcing some points that I have in the 469 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: numb fascinating. So when you when you try to explain 470 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: to people like this this book has presented a mixture 471 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: of your background and those that you've come across, Like, 472 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 1: how would you express I know you're you're writing it 473 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: as a novel to protect the identity of different people, 474 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: how would you express what this whole book entails? Like? 475 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: Is that the answer to uh, what may happen in 476 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: the end of this world. It's it's more of describing 477 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: our relationship with the rest of the universe. It uh, 478 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: it explains the function of the spirit and earth, and 479 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: it also gives a an opinion about disclosure. And that's 480 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: what it's called the disclosure paradox because the disclosure paradox, 481 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: and the reader will find out in the end, is 482 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: the question, how can we improve ourselves if we're not 483 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: allowed to know what's wrong with us? Mm hmm. That's 484 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: an interesting question because so very true. It's like so 485 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: much has kept from the public, and you having had 486 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: the military experience that you do, and I always say, 487 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's our brothers, it's our sisters, it's our dads, 488 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: it's our moms, our cousins that are in the military 489 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: that are running the errands, and sometimes they need to 490 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: events and they do tell us, they do tell us 491 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: what's going on, and they're so frustrated to be part 492 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: of this machine of cover up. I mean, I just, uh, 493 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: I can't imagine what that's like to try to sleep 494 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,239 Speaker 1: at night knowing that you're part of another reality that 495 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: most are not. It's a reality I have accepted, um, 496 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: But it's interesting enough. I didn't have any problem with 497 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: the information that that I've found out back when I 498 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: was a captain. It didn't bother me like some people 499 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: would have bothered. UM. I just kept it, uh, and 500 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: I filed it away and then when the time came, 501 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: I certainly recalled it as succinct as possible documented and 502 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: I used it. It's amazing. So what kind of person 503 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: would want to dive into this first book of yours? Like, 504 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: what what would be the draw? What's the answers that 505 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: you're able to present along the lines of beware of 506 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: or how to prepare for? This book was meant to, 507 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, uh, you know, bridge the gap between 508 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: science and religion. So I have had individuals that were 509 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: religious to read it, and I have given it praise. 510 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: And I've also had some individuals that were atheists that 511 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: read it and you know, kind of accepted things. But 512 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 1: it appears that you know, atheists are much more um, 513 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: I guess, vigilant about defending their opinion on you know, 514 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: nothing being there and and this book ex lanes that 515 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, if you're an atheist, UM, you have to 516 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: understand that there are forces that we cannot see that 517 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: actually UM guide us in our lives and guides the 518 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: rest of the universe. And if you are a religious person, 519 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: you need to understand those forces are explained through science 520 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: certainly one way to look at it. Now you're saying 521 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: that the second book of yours this is kind of 522 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: takes part and behind this, uh, this first book. I mean, 523 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: how does this connect when the When I wrote the 524 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: first book, you know, I had contact all kinds of 525 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: people that I indicated that I wanted to fictionalize them 526 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: into characters in the novel, and one of them was, um, 527 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 1: a woman there I called Katrina in the first book. 528 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: And she was important in the first book because she 529 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: is a psycho kinetic person. She could recognize energy just 530 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: like sonar recognizes objects in the water. She could recognize 531 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: energy and actually reverted back to its source. And she 532 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: also has the ability to remote view. So um, there 533 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: was uh, you know, I made friends with the individual, uh, 534 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: and she and I would have a lot of calls 535 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: and messaging about um, these things that were that have 536 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: happened to her throughout her life, and I thought it 537 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: was just absolutely amazing. Um, this is actually a possibility 538 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: for an entirely you know, separate novel. And she encouraged 539 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: me to to investigate that too, to explore that, and 540 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: I did just about everything in that second book, which 541 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: is called What Doesn't Kill Her, and it's a prequel 542 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: to the first one, UH, is true about her. All 543 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: of the events that happened. She was prized by c 544 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: I a rogue agents. He was prized by UM al 545 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 1: Qaeda as a trophy. And wow, all those all those entities, 546 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: how did they find her? I mean, how did this 547 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: even come to be in her life? It's because she 548 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: was raised in a community that was targeted as a 549 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: like a laboratory for rogue CIA operatives, UH, for experiments 550 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: on the mind. And so what she told me and 551 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: what her her father told her father was naval intelligence, 552 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: was that UM the CIA at one time was using 553 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: military communes as specimen for experiments without those people knowing. 554 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: And so she was in one of those communities. I'm 555 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 1: not surprised. I've done it on the general population until 556 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: they got caught. Then it's like, oh, we're so sorry, 557 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: we don't know how that happened. And they've been doing 558 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: it all along. They don't admit until caught, and then 559 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: it's a big deal or not. Wow. So she was 560 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: a military family, and they were exposing her to things, 561 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 1: maybe given her vitamins of some sort that heightened her 562 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: senses to be able to do things, and and she 563 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: got picked out of the crowd. Was well, she was 564 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: born not but she was not. She wasn't born with 565 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:50,479 Speaker 1: the ability. She was abducted as a youngster, and her 566 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: brother was also abducted alien abductions. Were talking yes, because 567 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: her father um was involved in roswell fun funny, Okay, 568 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,439 Speaker 1: got you all right? They should make everybody who has 569 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: ever lived in any of those military communities feel a 570 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: little bit more nervous than usual. But of course, as mentioned, 571 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: this has happened to the general population as well. I 572 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: don't know who the government thinks they are. I thought 573 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: they worked for the population, and then they go and 574 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: do whatever the heck they want and play with people's lives. 575 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: I just don't I don't get it, Like, who are 576 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: these people? Why would this be allowed? And why would anybody, 577 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: any family member of ours that would be part of 578 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: the military allow it. These are questions that make me 579 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: scratch my head. And I'm sure there's a lot of 580 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: regret out there and also a lot of compliance that's 581 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: hoping they are benefiting somehow disturbing. Well, you are listening 582 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 583 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a AM paranormal 584 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: podcast networks. Stick around, We'll be right back. My name 585 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: is Mark Rowlings, president of Paranormal Date dot Com. 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You are listening to Dark Becomes Light 595 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: with me Heidi Alice on the I Heart Radio and 596 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a m para normal podcast network. I 597 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: have Paul the ket and we are speaking on some 598 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: of his novels that he's written based on actual occurrence 599 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: as an actual people, and one of them is Katrina 600 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: who was has psychic kinetic abilities and was essentially housed 601 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 1: and uh made to be encouraged to have these heightened 602 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: abilities because rogue CIA operative communities, I guess this is 603 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: what they do. They serve it over dinner. I don't know, 604 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 1: but it's it's fascinating. But paul I wanted to get 605 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: into some of the finer details of what kinds of 606 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: things was Katrina? What happened to her? So you said 607 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: al Qaida was interested in her, uh, using her for 608 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: certain things, and so we're CIA operative, So like, what 609 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: what happened? Well, it first it began where she was 610 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: at her brother's deathbed and uh, one of the rogue 611 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: CIA agents, who you know, they was as a doctor's 612 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: healthcare providers in the towns so so that they gained 613 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: the trust of the community, was there and he noticed 614 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: a paranormal event. He went to her and asked her 615 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: what's going on, and she, uh, you know, honestly did 616 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: not know what's going on. He advised her to contact 617 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:28,280 Speaker 1: another doctor who's also rose as a psycho psychiatrist, and 618 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: during the psychiatric evaluation, that's where they discovered that she 619 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: had this ability. And after that they actually used electro 620 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: magnetic bioelectric magnetic torture on her until she was able 621 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: to well, until she was able to understand what was 622 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 1: going on. Somewhere in in the story, she she meets 623 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: up with an individual who is actually CIA, understands her 624 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:04,240 Speaker 1: UM problem UM and helps her understand how to control 625 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: her ability, because that's the one thing that the Roxiate 626 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 1: agents recognize that she didn't have control. And in the 627 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: course of them trying to torture her, she retaliates um, 628 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: destroys equipment with her mind uh, and even kills one 629 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: or two people. Goodness, And so how were they torturing her? 630 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: They were sending like some kind of microwaves at her. 631 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: What were they doing? Right? They've apparently they've bombard her 632 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: with some sort of UM. They call it bio electromagnetic energy. UM. 633 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's all that she mentions. And I think 634 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: it's pretty similar to what the Russians were doing to 635 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: the United States. Yeah exactly, yeah, Oh wow, that's crazy. So, 636 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: and how did al Qaeda get ahold of her? I mean, 637 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: what are we saying like she was taken by them, 638 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 1: used by them. No, they never u They were just 639 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: trying to UM. They were trying to understand her. Uh, 640 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: they're trying to understand her weaknesses and so that they 641 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: can you know, take advantage of her. She had a 642 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 1: brother who was a n s A and her brother 643 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: knew an individual that turned out to be a kind 644 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: of that wanted to talk to to Katrina, and she 645 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: learned that this individual had some some bad ideas about 646 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: her soul. She was able to repel him and uh, 647 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: in fact, he also tried to uh do some like 648 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: bioelectric magnetic torture as well. And the interesting thing that 649 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: she learned is that her psycho connectibilities and remote viewing, UM, 650 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: it's not just the United States. Um al kind of 651 00:44:55,200 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: had people like that too. So UM, in reality, you know, 652 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: the the abilities are common all over the world in 653 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: one way or not. Right, So they're finding these people 654 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 1: and they're trying to weaponize them essentially correct. So was 655 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: she essentially weaponized somehow or was she just happening to 656 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: evade everybody? Once she was she was able to evade 657 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: UM by by way of you know, of repelling them retaliation, 658 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: she had much more power. Book says, UM, what doesn't 659 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: kill her, you know, complete the sentence makes her stronger. 660 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: So every time that they would try this type of 661 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: torture on her. UM, it would get her close to death, 662 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: but it would also strengthen her mind and with with 663 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: every time that that they were um doing this, she 664 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: would gain more power and more ability to do things. 665 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: I see. So she was confronted repeatedly by these people, uh, 666 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: face to face at times, or they would intercept her. 667 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,399 Speaker 1: Or was she just being bombarded at her home and 668 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: thinking it was them? Or did they say we're going 669 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: to get you unless you work for us. How did 670 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: this happen? Yeah? Um. She indicated that when in earlier times, 671 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 1: when she started to gain control of her abilities, she 672 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: would able to see who was doing it, so she 673 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: knew who was doing it. She also had a remote 674 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: view um ability. In fact, at one point of her 675 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 1: career she worked for NASA UM. She was also working 676 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: on the side for a remote viewing organization in Nevada 677 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: which has a reputation right now. If you combine those 678 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: two abilities, um, that's how she was able to figure 679 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: out what was going on. Amazing. So, uh, your stories 680 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: both of them? How can people uh, what are they? 681 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: What should they pull from this book? In particular, like 682 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,919 Speaker 1: the things that rogue CIA agents are up to or 683 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: how does this uh play into the first novel? Well, um, 684 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: the second novel is more meant to be more entertaining, 685 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: but still it presents the the fact that the CIA 686 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 1: knows that there are rogue agents out there and they 687 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: were hired for a reason, but they don't have any 688 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: control over them, and they're not gonna make any effort 689 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: to control them. They just let them do what they do. 690 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: And it's almost like, as long as they're not doing 691 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 1: anything against the government, they're they're not going to do 692 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: anything that's wild not goodness. All right. Well, um, I 693 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: have to say it's quite unique to pull them into 694 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: novels like that. And you've also had experience, as you 695 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: said that once you started meditating, other things started to 696 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: happen in your life. Can you give us a couple 697 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: of examples. On one meditation, I was able to actually 698 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: go through what we would call a wormhol. It was 699 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: an amazing experience and I didn't realize that, um, only 700 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: when I realized that I was in that out of 701 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: body experience. Uh, everything ended. Uh. In the second out 702 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 1: of body experience I had was actually uh seeing what 703 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: people would say is heaven or God, where I saw 704 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 1: a indigo cloud ahead of me, and it was like 705 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: a b tive of activity where there were flashes of 706 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: of indigo all around, and as I got closer to it, 707 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: there was a feeling of euphoria. And so it kind 708 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: of made me feel that this must be what they 709 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: talk about with heaven. And what I realized was that 710 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: those flashes were actually spirits. The spirits combined make what 711 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,839 Speaker 1: we call the God energy or the source so Um. 712 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: When I talked to somebody about that, they said, not 713 00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 1: many people experience, you know, or have the enjoyment to 714 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,280 Speaker 1: experience that that vision. And so what I saw essentially 715 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: was all the spirits between lives combined to make what 716 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: we call the Guide energy. Wow. So if people want 717 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 1: to check out your books, your writings, or anything about you, 718 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 1: where should they go. Both of the books are available 719 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,360 Speaker 1: on Amazon and they're both in hard copy and in 720 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,800 Speaker 1: kindle form. I also have a Facebook author's page and 721 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 1: that that's you know, my name Paul biquette Um and 722 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: I have a Facebook group that's called the Disculture Paradox. 723 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 1: We discuss the topics that I cover in both of 724 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,439 Speaker 1: the books. Awesome. I want to thank you so much 725 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 1: Paul for coming on the program today, fascinating angle on 726 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: all of this. Thank you for having me. It's an 727 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,880 Speaker 1: hour to be on your show. My pleasure. Wow, that 728 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: very deep, deep stuff. You know, when we look at 729 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,839 Speaker 1: it as a whole, it's like, are you kidding me? 730 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,439 Speaker 1: So there are c I A operatives that are being 731 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: hired too, just hone in on people and families unsuspectingly. 732 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: Isn't it enough that our military members signed on the 733 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,760 Speaker 1: dotted line and they're putting their lives forward to protect 734 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,720 Speaker 1: our rights and others? I mean, just what, so what 735 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 1: what's in that contract that you signed on the dotted line? 736 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: Allowed to experiment on my wife and kids and myself 737 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: when we sleep at night. Put something in the water, 738 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,239 Speaker 1: you know, pose as medical professionals and have at us 739 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: and try to see if I'm or my kids are 740 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: coming up with some kind of really cool abilities. It 741 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,840 Speaker 1: makes me wonder because I was part of a military 742 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 1: family and hello, here I sit as somebody who has 743 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: had a lot of strange experiences. And I'll tell you, 744 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 1: other researchers see these patterns within military families, having UFO encounters, 745 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,360 Speaker 1: having polticis activity, having different abilities. So did they tap 746 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,680 Speaker 1: into some I don't know, ancient alien DNA under uh 747 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: Antarctica and start injecting it into the drinking water and 748 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: they called it floride or you know what. We don't know. 749 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: We don't know. But this is a very very distinctive pattern. 750 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,319 Speaker 1: This is not a coincidence. So what are we saying here? 751 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,120 Speaker 1: That's um, there's something to it. There really is. And 752 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,839 Speaker 1: and I wish that the powers that be who are 753 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 1: us paying for them to have fun with our money 754 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: and do what they want, they need to come clean 755 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,560 Speaker 1: and they need to just tell us outright, why why 756 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,640 Speaker 1: is this going on? We should be able to call 757 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 1: upon whomever and say why is this? Why? Why are 758 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,800 Speaker 1: we having these strange things going on within military families 759 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: in particular, are having these special abilities and then having 760 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: military abductions to come and check on us? You know, Uh, 761 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm raising my hand. This has happened to me? Fully 762 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 1: who so much? So much to dig into? So and 763 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 1: how we've come to the bottom of another fabulous program. 764 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: Don't forget Go to Heidi Hollis dot com, tell me 765 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: your stories, give as much detail as you can. Shadow 766 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 1: folks dot com goes to the same website and follow 767 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: me on Instagram or Twitter, Facebook at one Heidi Hollis 768 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,840 Speaker 1: put on one in front of it and also the 769 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:24,200 Speaker 1: Outlanders comic dot com or at the Outlanders on Instagram. Wow, 770 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 1: a lot to unravel, um, but you know again, be 771 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,759 Speaker 1: sure when you write me tell me if you want 772 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,720 Speaker 1: to come on this program to start sharing your story. 773 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,719 Speaker 1: I am always reading off these emails. Don't mind it, 774 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,440 Speaker 1: I really don't, but man, it would be great to 775 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,560 Speaker 1: be able to ask people questions about what is that 776 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,319 Speaker 1: they're sharing. So indicate that if you'd like to be 777 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,680 Speaker 1: one of the rare ones to come on and talk 778 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: about it, or if there's somebody you want me to interview. 779 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 1: But hey, we'll just keep the show growing. I'm still 780 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: having a blast, all right, you guys, you have been 781 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 782 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a AM 783 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast Network. We'll see you next time. Stay safe, everybody, 784 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:12,080 Speaker 1: good bye. Thanks for listening to the I Heart Radio 785 00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make 786 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,319 Speaker 1: sure and check out all our shows on the I 787 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app or by going to i heart radio 788 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: dot com.