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Speaker 1: What's up its way up with Angela. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 2: It's my pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: You are truly a multi hyphen it though, because you

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Speaker 1: have so many amazing things happening, you know, just from

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Speaker 1: think your character, I don't want to say character because

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Speaker 1: this is supposed to be a reality show, but you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I wanted to do. It's like

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look good to you to the viewers, like

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Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting because I see like so many

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Speaker 2: You and so other people take you positively about trying

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Speaker 2: to take your negative. At that end of the day,

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Speaker 2: it's about I want people to be entertained. I want

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Speaker 2: people to feel happy. You know, life is it's too short,

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Speaker 1: Well, you're from Tanzania.

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Speaker 2: I'm from Tanzania and.

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Speaker 1: You definitely are as far as celebrities from there, I

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Speaker 1: I saw you getting your recent plaque from YouTube for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's made the first subran African artists to

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Speaker 1: I mean that's amazing. How do you think we got here?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I grew up in tandallei tan Dalley's one of

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Speaker 2: And I loved my mom so much. I like to you,

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah love my mom My mom likes my mom.

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Speaker 2: It was difficult. That was two thousand and six, and

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Speaker 2: And we did that and I went to record. But

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Speaker 1: Thank her, Yes I do.

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Speaker 2: She changed my life. Now. I used to love her

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Speaker 1: And also I think there's not enough songs about men

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can express that, sometimes you get a

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Some people will never even admit that they cried

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Speaker 2: So like it was after that I dropped the song,

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Speaker 2: Then after that everything changed and then she started calling me.

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Speaker 2: And you know I love you so much, sure, the

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because you also would have never

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Speaker 2: You are right, You're right because you know the guy,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the label that signed me to release that song.

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Speaker 2: Before that song, I gave them different songs and they

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Speaker 2: And everything changed. Yeah, and after that whatever this song

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Speaker 2: and I give them, like I don't know five more

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Speaker 2: So then the more days goes and there is there

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Speaker 2: like everything. Then there's this day. I called my mom.

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00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, mam, come look at these pictures. This is

437
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: man like that the one of the new one who's

438
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 2: now passed away ready, and this is the old one.

439
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 2: From a point of view. If you look at this,

440
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: who do you think is my dad? And she was

441
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 2: also like, I think you guys look at like this.

442
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 2: So it was that way, and to me, I did

443
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 2: my conclusion. You know, like this is my dad if

444
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 2: I show the picture, and if you see the picture

445
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 2: of him and my kids look at totally completely right,

446
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: so you can tell. So after that, and imagine at

447
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 2: that point, my other dad who abandoned me, was doing interview,

448
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: crazy interviews, talking negative about me while I was taking

449
00:21:59,600 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 2: care of it.

450
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 1: That's wild.

451
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 2: You go to this point, I went to the radio

452
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: station and he was talking negative things like you know what, guys,

453
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: by the way, he's not my dad. We like what.

454
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: I was like, it's not my dad. Have all the

455
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 2: proof and everything. And then I went to post the

456
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 2: picture of me and my red dad and everything, and

457
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: I took my other brothers, Well, we want to do

458
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 2: tests and everything. You yeah, okay, yeah, because you know,

459
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: can't go to the interview and say that if you

460
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 2: don't have the.

461
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: Poo you need to know for sure.

462
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: So when but now we're cool me and even that

463
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: he's still alive and it was too cool. Check it.

464
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: That's a wold situation. That's the thing about these DNA tests.

465
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: Now you find out you know who your family is,

466
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: who it isn't. How does that affect you when you

467
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: think about your kids too, and being like the father

468
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: that you are and being present in all your kids'

469
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 1: lives the way that you are.

470
00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I know I do have I

471
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: have kids, but I also know other some I know

472
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: my kids what yeah, but I don't want to argue

473
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: either mother and or whatever. But I take care all

474
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: of them.

475
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: But you have five right that we the kids? Okay,

476
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: four to.

477
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: Five five four five. You know, as I say, like

478
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: these things sometimes it can get crazy, right, and I

479
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: take care of all of them. I really try my

480
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: level best to make sure that I take good care

481
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: of them. But sometimes you can just tell like, trust me,

482
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 2: why not find out then yeah, I went, I didn't

483
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: wander your name in Tanzania.

484
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: And so you know already okay, complicated, trust me, you know,

485
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: because I know even on the show seeing you co

486
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: parenting that was even tough. That's hard, like when you

487
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: know the parents are necessarily meshing and then being to

488
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: have access, you know, to your kids. But that's a lot.

489
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know before before you know, it took sometimes

490
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: for a person to be mature to understand like if

491
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: you have maybe some misunderstanding with the mother of your kids,

492
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: to understand how to control it. So I remember back

493
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: then when it started like that, when I had my

494
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: first daughter and son, and then me and the mother

495
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: of my kids misunderstanding, and then after that we separated,

496
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: and it was a very tough moment because I I

497
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: was so used to my daughter and all that. I remember,

498
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: she was my first kid, and you know, when you

499
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: got separate, these something people don't understand, like when most

500
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: of the time like it, like it's more wise anymore

501
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: makes sense if you separate with your the mother of

502
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: your kids, to let the kids stay with their mother

503
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: because no matter how much you love your kids, there's

504
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: no you can take a good care of them than

505
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: their mothers can do any trust me, no matter how

506
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: much you have to be awful for you to be,

507
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: you need to let them stay with their mothers because mothers,

508
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: I understand how no matter how much you guys, maybe

509
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: you don't talk to each other, you have problems, so

510
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 2: someone you when they stay together, sometimes as you understand,

511
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: it happens as well. Sometimes also they can you know,

512
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: sometimes they can use that as a weapon sometimes, you know,

513
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: to get your attention. So you need to understand how

514
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: to control them. If you're stupid, maybe you can end

515
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: up fight the mothers your kids. Why you just need

516
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: to understand them. To me, I feel like women you

517
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: need to understand them as they are any the human

518
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: being they're not like as men. You don't men. No

519
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: matter the case, you can stay quiet or if even

520
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: if I have a problem with someone that can maybe

521
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: I cannot say that I cannot show that. But you know,

522
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: imagine a woman who is the mother of your kids,

523
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: and she stays with your kids, and even if you

524
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: guys separated. Sometimes as a human being, of course she

525
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: can be missing you. She can't tell you like I

526
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: miss you, but she can do something that you need

527
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: to understand, like she doesn't mean like to disrespect you,

528
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: but she needs your attention, right, So it needs it

529
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: needs a wise man, a proper matured man to understand that.

530
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: So that's how you see other people that fight and

531
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: all that. But to me, I think when I started

532
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: it was just a little bit. Then I realized that

533
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: when they do this, it's not like they don't like

534
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: you nobody, they like you too much. Maybe they feel

535
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: like they want you, guys, to solve things so that

536
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: you can.

537
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Maybe have another baby.

538
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you see. So you just

539
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: need to take it positively.

540
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: So to me, that's a good way to look at it,

541
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: like she's doing this not because it's because she does

542
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: want some attention.

543
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Yes, positively, and you know she can't, you know she can't.

544
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: That's a human beings, you know, Oh ladies, sometimes they

545
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: can have egos, so you have to understand like they

546
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: don't they're gonna just keep calling you. You want them

547
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: to be calling you and debate you. No, no, no,

548
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: they can do something to your kids, But you need

549
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: to understand the positivity of it.

550
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: What about when she moves on and you have to

551
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: deal with that? How do you handle that? Because we

552
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: can talk about how women are, but how is it

553
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: for a man, like, how is it seeing the mother

554
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: of your kids moving on with somebody, and especially if

555
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: it's somebody you know and like somebody that you would

556
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: cool with.

557
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, all those steps are very sweet

558
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: if you understand them. You see, if the mother of

559
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: your kids moves on, it's more better because now she

560
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: become your friend. Because now if she really moves on,

561
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: there's no way she can give you.

562
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: A guilt trip.

563
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah ye yeah yeah, you see. So she would treat

564
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: you as a brother. She would teach you as this

565
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: is the father of my kids, Yanny. I wish people

566
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: could understand, you know, I have like Zari, she's the

567
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 2: mother of my and she's married now and we are

568
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: so cool. You anyway, are very cool.

569
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm glad you got to that point.

570
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: Very cool. You see, when we talk about the keys

571
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: and everything like it just needs as a mind you

572
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: know the problem. But man, sometimes I understand if you

573
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: if you separate with someone, you still want them to

574
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: be just on your cycle. It doesn't work that.

575
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: Way if you don't want to be you had to learn.

576
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was difficult. I don't want to lie to you.

577
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: It's difficult to be fun to understand.

578
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: That's growth.

579
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if imagine you don't want to be with her,

580
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: and how do you expect her to be. She needs

581
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: to move on, she needs to be with someone else,

582
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: and you need to take that positively.

583
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because sometimes guys don't want you to be with Yeah,

584
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: they don't want to be with you, but they don't

585
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: want to see you.

586
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: That's the problem. That's the biggest a problem that we have.

587
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: So it takes it takes a lot for a person

588
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: to understand that, the person to take it. I'm glad

589
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: I am that person. Me, I am very cool.

590
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: Oh my big Mama's okay.

591
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: They love me. I don't want to to you and

592
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: like I'm the good person to them. A minute. It

593
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: got to a point sometimes their men they get mad

594
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: at me. They get mad at them thinking maybe we

595
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: have something. No, we do have something. We got nothing

596
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: going on. Just we decided to make you could definitely,

597
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: but that's why. No, no, no, it's not that way.

598
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: It's not that way. It's not that way. But you know,

599
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: if a minute, if you can be cool with the

600
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: mother of your kids, no matter the constances, right, he

601
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: makes her look at you differently. Even if you have

602
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: your wife, if you have your mind, if you if

603
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: you have your gear friend, if you have whatever, you've

604
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: moved on, but the mother of your kids will look

605
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: at you in a very positive eye. You get the win.

606
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: So it doesn't mean that it gives you a chance.

607
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: If you want to hit you can hit it. But

608
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, people who had something, trust me, if they

609
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: want to do somethings very easy for them to do,

610
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: no matter how much the one person moved on already,

611
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: trust me.

612
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: Oh listen, you got a lot going are you in

613
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: the middle of filming season four? Also in the midst

614
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: of all this, so you are back on season four?

615
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

616
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I do feel like on that show

617
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: you were definitely because you've been on all three seasons already.

618
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like it would be a big,

619
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, whole if you weren't there anymore, just because

620
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: of all the and I know you've said before this

621
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: is TV, so you also understand, like you said that

622
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: it has to be some type of excitement. Do you

623
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: feel like there's things that you've done that you're like

624
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't really kind of represent who I am now?

625
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: Ah, Honestly, it's very tricky. But to me, I want

626
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: people to understand that what if I'm doing there non

627
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: to the case. Just I want to entertain. Then I

628
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: want people to feel good. I want people to look

629
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: at it to understand, like in life there's those types

630
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: of people as well. Yeah, like you know, mean when

631
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: I do that show, I'm not trying to pretend I'm

632
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: trying to give people to understand that there's other people

633
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: like this as well.

634
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have some great one liners, you see.

635
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: So I want people to the Yeah, I want them

636
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: to take you positively, to understand. And if I don't

637
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: like something I say, if I love something and say,

638
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to lie. I don't want to look

639
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: like I'm pretending and if I'm not lying to you.

640
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: I've never watched none of the show.

641
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: I've never watched Oh really.

642
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm afraid of forcing them because I don't want

643
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: to control myself.

644
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So now I got to ask for you

645
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: and Fantana stand because we've seen all this news out

646
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: and you guys have you know, it felt like this

647
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: was going somewhere. That was your girlfriend on the show,

648
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: but clearly now. So she put up a post also

649
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: saying that you'll never forget her or something like that.

650
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: But where do you guys stand at.

651
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: Me and me and fantiam is very cool?

652
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: Are you really?

653
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: What do you mean when you asked that we're very cool?

654
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're very cool?

655
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: Cool?

656
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? What is cool mean?

657
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: Like cool? Mm hmmm uh?

658
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: Because look the thing is, and I know we talked

659
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: about this, you know before the show started, but Zushi

660
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: was your artist. She put out amazing songs. Just now

661
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: we saw you guys on the Fast Time, Amanda, Yes,

662
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: and so people were thinking that she caught you, you know,

663
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: somebody was calling you in the middle of the night.

664
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: Turns out it was great promo for the song is

665
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: amazing by the way, Yes, Amanda, and so that's what

666
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: that was. But you know, throughout the show you were asked,

667
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: are you guys dating? And you were like, no, that

668
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: is not my girlfriend, that's my artist.

669
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: So you know, at the show there I was, I

670
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: was after someone help. Would I say yes? If I

671
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: say yes, day, it would have been imagined. You know,

672
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: if this is this, this is what I'm saying, like

673
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: on that show, I'm trying to show people how people are,

674
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: how really human being are. Like I was there with Fantana.

675
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: I was cheating, not but yeah, I was cheating there.

676
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: And then how would you expect me to agree that, yeah,

677
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: I have someone back home? That's when she asked me.

678
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: I said, like, you know, that's my artist, because that's

679
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 2: I had to lie. I live there, right, you from

680
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: from we're both from Tanzania. Yes we are together. But

681
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: when Fantana asked me about it, how would I say no,

682
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: I was there, you know I was.

683
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: I had to lie.

684
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you need to have sweet talk. If

685
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: you say like, yeah, that's my girlfriend. Yeah, she would get.

686
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Mad graduated you lied like yeah, I was about because.

687
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: Unless otherwise I've lost her. So I had to lie

688
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: at this. She was like oh no, no, she I said.

689
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: I know she's been artists, she's not my girlfriend and

690
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: all that that's how life is.

691
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: Did she start off as just your artists and then

692
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: become your girlfriend or wish you your girlfriend when she

693
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: was your artist, because I know she worked under you

694
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: for years, kind of just developing into the artist she

695
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: is now. But was that something that like you guys

696
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: were dating first or you ended up dating.

697
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 2: No, she was my artist and started, like the feelings started,

698
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: like you know, generating slowly, slowly, slowly. We just found

699
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: ourselves in love and something is very beautiful.

700
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't like And it's nice being from the same

701
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: place too. There's a certain type of understanding.

702
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: That you forgot about it. It's just sometimes when you

703
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: go to a show together and you're all stressed because

704
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: she's busy, she want to do a NANCE performance and

705
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: you also want to do the Nance performance, so you

706
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: don't know who can help who. And after getting down

707
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: with the shoulder and you guys get back to the hotel,

708
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: there's no one to massage another. You all knocked down.

709
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: But it's a very beautiful moments, beautiful experience, and yeah,

710
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: I love first. I love that for you.

711
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: Is she going to be on the new season?

712
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: They've been asking her to be in this, but no,

713
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: I've been saying.

714
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: No, Okay, does she want to?

715
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: Nah?

716
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: Sure that doesn't want Okay? All right? Well, then that's fair.

717
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: They've been asking me to have Zuchu in the show.

718
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: But you know, I'll tell you why. And this is

719
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: what I told her so and I told him as well.

720
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: If I'm going to have Zuchu in the show, then

721
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: there's something that I'm doing on the show, be able

722
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: to do like what like I'm gonna have to behave

723
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: and to be like very yeah that's the fact. Okay,

724
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: if she's in the show, then I must be fully committed.

725
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: I won't be able to entertain people. So that's why

726
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: I wanted my life to be out of the Realty

727
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: show and there to have something different.

728
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: You're like the Tanzanian future.

729
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I don't know, like in terms

730
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: of musically, yeah, yeah, let's say that. You see, it's

731
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 2: like in this you know, I'll tell you the truth.

732
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: When we started to do a show, like you know,

733
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: that's where it came from. That's that was where me

734
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: and Zary we came from the breakup and all that.

735
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: So when we started to do a show, we were

736
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: almost getting back together. Trust me, right when we started

737
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: to do that show, because that time, I was no

738
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: dating suit you So then we were me and Zero's

739
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: we were almost getting back together, and then I thought

740
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: about it, and I said, like, if you're going to

741
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: get back together, that means that I'm not going to

742
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: be able to entertain people in this show because I'm

743
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: going to.

744
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: Have to behave Okay, So I understand what you're saying.

745
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: So as the playboy character that you're playing on the show,

746
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: which you said before, it's hard to be able to

747
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: do that, to have a person, Yeah, because I did

748
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: feel like you guys might have. It felt like y'all

749
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: were having these conversations and the thing about doing more.

750
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: It definitely felt like she wanted to get back together

751
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: with you, even though she may have denied it. Yeah,

752
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: you know at the time, but I felt the vibe

753
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: from you too, you know, like you said, and so yeah,

754
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: and but what's wrong with behaving like there? Because I

755
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: do think from season one up to season four you

756
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: could have turned into somebody that now behaves.

757
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, you know, like to for me

758
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: to be able to be that, it needs me to

759
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: be singing there. Trust me. If I have a person

760
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: that I just see as person that I have, like

761
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: if you I have zoos in the show, do not

762
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: expect me to entertaine. Now you're going to see all

763
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: vacations you see us maybe celebration you see as a

764
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: baby shower is like you know, because that's how it's

765
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: supposed to be done, right, Because that's now to me,

766
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 2: it's a real life.

767
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: I can say you're having a spin off. Maybe would

768
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: you do that? Like how like your own show with

769
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: your own Yeah?

770
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that conversation right now, Okay, I can see that, yeah,

771
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: in that conversation.

772
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: Because you also have this empire of a business as well, right,

773
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: you have artists underneath you. Now I was reading somewhere.

774
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: I know you have one jet? Do you have two? Now? Okay,

775
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: because somebody was saying you have two? Okay, just one?

776
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: One's good?

777
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's good for starting it's not bad.

778
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: And you have the record label.

779
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

780
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: You have a television station.

781
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have radio stations. My radio is number one.

782
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what.

783
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying, East and Central.

784
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: What is the process like of having your own radio station?

785
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: And how did you even say that was something you

786
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: wanted to do?

787
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 2: So this is how it started, Like when I started

788
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: doing so good in my music, and as you know,

789
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: like if you do good like you have to work

790
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: with different people like and back home to me, I

791
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 2: can see what made me who I am today, apartform

792
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: being a good musician, but to be able to deal

793
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: with different characters, to do it everybody, to support everybody.

794
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: I respect everybody. I'm that type of person. And then

795
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: but you know how industry can be. It go to

796
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: a point that the industry wanted to to to f

797
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: me up, and then almost all the powerful media start

798
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: playing my music, and that's where I started my own media.

799
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: Listens happened to you for a reason.

800
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was there. I was like and for

801
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: no good reasons.

802
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: Just like me, when things happened, you figure out a

803
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: different way.

804
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah definitely. So when when that happened,

805
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: I really tried to because me, I'm a corporate person,

806
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: like I can deal with and I love giving to

807
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: me like I can deal with everybody, and I don't

808
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: have a problem with people. I don't fight with people.

809
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: I'm a very cool person, you know me, I'm just

810
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: very cool person. But then it's like human being. Sometimes

811
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: they're don't satisfying. If you give them this you want,

812
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 2: they still one they stee one they want and want.

813
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: So then they try to end my career. Then after

814
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 2: they wanted to do that, I was like, okay, wait,

815
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: and then I started my record label apart from wanted

816
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: to do that since but then I started my my

817
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: record label. So that and then when they asked me,

818
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: and I remember there was this media who was the

819
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: powerful that time, powerful media who started playing my music.

820
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: But they had me on interview and they say, like,

821
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: what the reason? What was the point of you studying

822
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: having a record label, as I like, apart from empowering

823
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: the youth. But then I understand that this campaign going on,

824
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 2: people want to shut me down. But now I'm trying

825
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: to show them that I can have more than me,

826
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: more me and they can never shut none of them down, right,

827
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: So not only me. It's like I wanted to show

828
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: them that I have the power that I can is.

829
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: An army of you.

830
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: Yes, if it's not only me that the power that

831
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: I have, I can even have more five artists. I

832
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: can carry them and nobody can shut them down. So

833
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: after that, you go to a point and say, like,

834
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: you know what, let me start a radio station. And

835
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 2: I started a radio station, started radio station. Of course,

836
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: it's a big process, you understand, you get the license

837
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: to for the government to trust you and all that.

838
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: It takes a lot. And I was new and trust

839
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: me and started from this crash, from the logo and everything.

840
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: And then what I did. I send the letter to

841
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: those media who were not playing my music and they're

842
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: acting like they're not they're playing my music, and I

843
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: send them letter like, do not to play my music from.

844
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: Now officially you only could hear it if you come then.

845
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 2: And then our boat I signed against it, I can sign.

846
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: I signed all the powerful presenters. I took them to

847
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: my media.

848
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: Wow you are let me tell you some diabolical.

849
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: So like the whole and I had public simple so

850
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: like everybody the old eyes was on us, like what

851
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: is called? So everybody started watching with Safi and I've

852
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: got all the powerful presenters, and then we started doing

853
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: a lot of dramas so that we have a lot

854
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: of things to talk about and other media they can't

855
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: talk about that. And to me, you have a record label,

856
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: I have a lot of things, a lot of powerful artists.

857
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: So they're all doing different dramas in a way that

858
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: if your media doesn't talk about it, it looks old. Yeah,

859
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: why you don't talk about it, so like the whole

860
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 2: country want to hear about our stories and you can't

861
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: talk about us students. That's why I knew after that

862
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: they would want to talk about this, So that's why

863
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: I give them the letter like do not officially.

864
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: That's how how is it for you in Tanzania now?

865
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: And now it's cool? Like now it's cool now I

866
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: talk to old media, But.

867
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean, how is it like when you go out?

868
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: Can you just go outside? And you can't even just

869
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: do that?

870
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: I need to trust me for me to to go out,

871
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: it needs to me to have no less than tense securities.

872
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: Right ten. Yeah, I've seen even just internationally places and

873
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: seeing how people are going crazy for you.

874
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: Their love. Their love is amazing and I think because

875
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: they know my story from where I came from and

876
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 2: they're not dishamble. I can't say I'm there, but I'm

877
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: trying to inspire all that and I'm I want to

878
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: get somewhere and people see that I'm working so hard.

879
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do a lot so they can get there,

880
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: and people take me as the inspiration. So if a

881
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: person come trying to attach my image or to do

882
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: something negative, they hate it and they support me. They

883
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: love me so much. Just with the time you post me.

884
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: You see what is how important is the US market

885
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: for you? Because it feels like you're so successful and

886
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: I know sometimes we can be really last here to

887
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: catch on to certain things like as.

888
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: Music. To me, it's like it's like a storytelling, right,

889
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: expressing my feelings. And I will love the world to

890
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: see like there's different flavors, there's different options, there's different

891
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: things for them to experience. So I would love people

892
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: to know that God have blessed this world with different talents.

893
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: So I would love them to know my capability as artists,

894
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: love them to know my music. But apart from that

895
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: music as well as.

896
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: Business, right, you think reality TV has done a lot

897
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: for you too, as far as just even having people

898
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: want to tune in to hear the music, because I

899
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: feel like they don't necessarily showcase that so much. Yeah

900
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: on there and maybe that's something that they should do.

901
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah they should do. Yeah, Yeah, I think they don't.

902
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: They don't show that so much. And at the beginning,

903
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 2: and then maybe because they wanted they didn't want people

904
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: to lose their focus, okay, trying to portray but I

905
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: think this new season will have a lot of things

906
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: that people needs to understand, because I remember there was

907
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: this I had a show in Portugal and someone I

908
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: think there's a fan from the show. I mean he

909
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: saw the video I was dancing and I was like, oh,

910
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 2: so this guy can dance, so he's he's the real musicians.

911
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: It was that way. Honestly, this show give me a

912
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: lot of new fans. I don't want to like to

913
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: you like a lot of I've gained big fan base

914
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: from that as well. And as I said, the more

915
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: this goes, the more I keep trying to because you know,

916
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: I started from tan Dalley even to Tanzania when the

917
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: whole Africa, when the whole Africa, and I goes to

918
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: the whole world. So it's a step. And the more

919
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: Days goes, the more THLS opens and opens. Imagine now

920
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: I'm here.

921
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah I am. Now I'm happy that you're here too.

922
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I know, like Swinky Jerry and everything,

923
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,479
Speaker 1: just from watching that show. When the season four start

924
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: and what's happening now while you guys are filming.

925
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to say that nothing, but hopefully soon Okay,

926
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: people should expect that soon and I'm excited. And trust me,

927
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: most of the time, when the show comes out.

928
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: I go through a lot of things, but you don't

929
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: even watch it, so you.

930
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: Have yeah, like home because I don't watch by home,

931
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 2: they watched and I remember those. This day, my daughter

932
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 2: asked me and she said, like, so, why you're in

933
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: the show with Fontana and not my mom?

934
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: Mmm.

935
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: I was like, princess, it's a show. No, what do

936
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: you have to kiss up? It's like, no, I wasn't

937
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: kissing her. Well, it was just a peck. Like most

938
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: mostly when the show comes out, like it brings a lot,

939
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 2: but oh it's it's the career. It's a job. That's

940
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: how you got to do so that we can bring

941
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: the bread back home.

942
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: No, I think it's great. Also just because I love

943
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: to watch the fashion. I like to see all of

944
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: all of those things. On the last episode of the

945
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: last season, you came out there bold, you have the

946
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: kilt on, and that's always like a you know, but

947
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: it looks good, Like you said, you got to have

948
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: the confidence to be able to be like yeah, and

949
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: you know, to do.

950
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: Something like that as well. I remember it was like

951
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: I was playing like you know, of course, sometimes other

952
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: people that may take it differently. They may take you

953
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: a total different persons. But I'm glad people love what

954
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 2: I'm what I did in the show, and I want

955
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: to thank them so much. Young and Famous has become

956
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: one of the right move for me to do. And

957
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of more to offer to you.

958
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: Where's the new album coming, because I've read that it's

959
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: going to be your most personal.

960
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: I'm working on that now and I've got a lot

961
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: of songs and a con wait, I'm super excited. A

962
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: different sounds, different sounds of course, African sounds is going

963
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: to be there. I have Bungo flavoring there. There's this

964
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: sounds called Singly, so new sound from Africa. It's crazy.

965
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: If you get time, just go type singly. Okay, you

966
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: see the video creeps crazy sound.

967
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: You've already been going crazy on TikTok with the song

968
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: that you have and now I love it.

969
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah that one, Yeah, so be my piano like down

970
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: song Down, going to have like aphrobds. I've done a

971
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: lot of songs with people from here as well. Yeah,

972
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: different artists from here.

973
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds, but I think Neo.

974
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: I've done a song with Neo Alicia key Sha Keys

975
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 2: as well. I was an als album featured me, yep

976
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: with Ricky Roles as well, Marion, I have song even

977
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: the last White album, he featured me. We have a

978
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: song in whit album as well. And I still got

979
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: more songs with different just like an Elite Chop. I

980
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: have a song together featured in his song as well.

981
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: Song out yet song with Swelly.

982
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, yeah, working something with Sierra. Oh, you're

983
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: gonna do something with Sierra. Those visuals are going to

984
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: be crazy crazy. Yeah, I can wait to see it.

985
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: You said, what.

986
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: Here to show the music video?

987
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: Okay, I guess we've got a little spoiler I need

988
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: to see on the shows. By the way, I did

989
00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: see some of this.

990
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna have to put a lot of them now,

991
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: trust me, because there's been a lot of relationship and

992
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: all that. So we need to change the narrative a

993
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: little bit so that people can see what we have.

994
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: Been blessed with and what what made you decide now

995
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: was the time to get married.

996
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: I can say it's just it just came. Liken say, like,

997
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: I don't think if you you plan those things, it

998
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: just happened, and you feel like you know what, Yeah,

999
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: I need to do this. That's what happened. Okay, I

1000
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 2: feel like and it was just like you from for

1001
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: me and and for from where I came from and

1002
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: from my religion. It does you don't, It doesn't need

1003
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 2: you to complicate. Took me, my wife went to share.

1004
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: We got married, and I called my mom. I said, like,

1005
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: mama married what Yeah? So it was just that way.

1006
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: She didn't get heads up, like.

1007
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: I think. There's a lot of things comes Okay, trust me, I'm.

1008
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: Gonna be watching. You should watch.

1009
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: Well.

1010
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. We were really

1011
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: excited to have you. I'm glad that you were able

1012
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: to make it here. When they said you were coming

1013
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: to the show, we said absolutely.

1014
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: And I can tell this has been the best interview

1015
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: really done in this country.

1016
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so glad to hear that you

1017
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: have an amazing, amazing story, and so I appreciate you

1018
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: for trusting us to sit here and even tell me

1019
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: so much. God bless you more and more and more,

1020
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: and God bless you to thank you so much.