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Speaker 1: One of the many great things about Russell Wilson is
Speaker 1: his durability. Never misses his start. Last night, injured his finger,
Speaker 1: had to watch from the sidelines as the Seahawks fell
Speaker 1: to the Rams. Backup quarterback Gino Smith came in. You
Speaker 1: probably didn't know Geno Smith was still in the league,
Speaker 1: but he did a pretty nice job. Seattle couldn't rely
Speaker 1: on that typical formula. Let's be conservative and then wait
Speaker 1: till the final five minutes and then let Russ cook late.
Speaker 1: Tough night all around for Seattle. They left points on
Speaker 1: the board in the first half and you're facing a
Speaker 1: team that's got a lot of weapons. You know, when
Speaker 1: you think about the Rams, you have Cooper Cup, you
Speaker 1: throw into Seawan Jackson, Robert Woods Henderson looks like he
Speaker 1: is a good quality running back, and then you throw
Speaker 1: in Matthew Stafford as well. That's a formidable offense here.
Speaker 1: You got to take advantage of those opportunities when you
Speaker 1: get into the red zone, and they weren't able to
Speaker 1: do them. Wilson wasn't happy where this franchise was at
Speaker 1: the end of last season when he joined us a
Speaker 1: day after the Super Bowl and he vented. And I've
Speaker 1: said before, even before all of this happened, I don't
Speaker 1: think Russ is going to be there next year. And
Speaker 1: I still don't think he's going to be there next year.
Speaker 1: But now the question is what Seattle do if he's
Speaker 1: out with a dislocated finger or if it's a fractured finger.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the official diagnosis is, but you
Speaker 1: start to look at this and go, Okay, can they
Speaker 1: survive because you're in the NFC West and you've got
Speaker 1: to survive these games. You have Pittsburgh coming up. I
Speaker 1: believe you got Jacksonville and you have the Saints, and
Speaker 1: then you have a bye week. Those are all winnable games.
Speaker 1: The question is can you win two of those three?
Speaker 1: Can you win all three? Can you go into the
Speaker 1: bye week by yourself a little extra time? But even
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson, I watched Seattle sometimes and I really
Speaker 1: feel like Pete Carroll forgets that Russell Wilson is his
Speaker 1: quarterback because you're going, Okay, third and two, let's run
Speaker 1: it right into Aaron Donald. Fourth and two, Let's run
Speaker 1: it right into Aaron Donald. And look, I've admitted, you know,
Speaker 1: I was a C student. I'm not that smart to understand.
Speaker 1: Is this reverse psychology? You know what, Aaron Donald is
Speaker 1: not going to expect us running the football, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Aaron Donald's there. He'll never expect
Speaker 1: us to do it again. This goes back to Seattle
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Patriots down on the goal line. Everybody said,
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch is getting the ball, and I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: giving the ball. If not, if you do have a pass,
Speaker 1: make it a run pass option. That way Russ runs out,
Speaker 1: maybe you can run in. If he throws a pass,
Speaker 1: it's not it's probably not going to get intercepted. They
Speaker 1: chosen either, and here we are again, and I I
Speaker 1: still watch and I just think that, you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna look at Russell Wilson's years in Seattle. He's become
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame quarterback. But I think you're going
Speaker 1: to look back and say that there's disappointment there that
Speaker 1: they were not better or didn't surround him with a
Speaker 1: little bit more. I know that they are. You know,
Speaker 1: they want the run, They're in love with the run.
Speaker 1: And then you know, let's play defense. Well, the defense
Speaker 1: right now is giving up historically bad numbers in today's NFL.
Speaker 1: It's hard to lead with your defense. I mean even
Speaker 1: the Rams. The Rams have the two best players at
Speaker 1: their position on defense. And what did Sean McVay do.
Speaker 1: He upgraded at the quarterbacking position, added another wide receiver. Yes,
Speaker 1: they did lose a running back, but then they added
Speaker 1: a couple of running backs. It's about offense. You're gonna
Speaker 1: need to stop here, you know, one or two here
Speaker 1: in the regular season, postseason, and Seattle, it still feels
Speaker 1: like and even though they got dk Metcalf and Tyler Lockett,
Speaker 1: it sometimes the play calling drives me crazy, and I
Speaker 1: thought that that happened again last night. But Seattle's kind
Speaker 1: of survive this. I don't think they're a great team.
Speaker 1: At times, I think they can be very good. But
Speaker 1: you're already in trouble in the NFC West. What are
Speaker 1: the Rams? What's that look like the next few games?
Speaker 1: Feels like they have a user friendly schedule. The Rams
Speaker 1: have a fantastic October. They play the Giants, they play
Speaker 1: the Lions, they play the Houston Texans, and then the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans early November, but then at San Francisco Monday
Speaker 1: Night Football November fifteenth, then a bye week. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at what the Seahawks have because after the
Speaker 1: bye week they have Green Bay, they have Arizona, Washington,
Speaker 1: San Francisco. You know, it's not easy. You're trying to
Speaker 1: get eleven wins in that division, and it's not going
Speaker 1: to be easy because Arizona right now has a pretty
Speaker 1: good head start on you. I don't know how good
Speaker 1: San Francisco is. And if you have a different quarterback
Speaker 1: than Jimmy Garoppolo, is that going to be an improvement?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we all want to see
Speaker 1: the new guy, Trey Lance and This creates a different
Speaker 1: style of offense here, but your goal is to make
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Who gives you the better chance of making
Speaker 1: the playoffs? Arizona looks like they're legit right now. The
Speaker 1: Rams we know are I don't think Seattle is, and
Speaker 1: they could still be on the priphrey of making the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that you look at them as
Speaker 1: a formidable team. I didn't even before last night. And
Speaker 1: San Francisco, there's still curiosity there. It felt like what
Speaker 1: happened last year with all the injuries, and I think
Speaker 1: they had more injuries than any other NFL team, But
Speaker 1: you're just I'm not sure. There's a like a question
Speaker 1: mark I have over San Francisco. Matthew Stafford talked about
Speaker 1: the Rams starting out four and one after last night's win.
Speaker 1: The fun thing is is being four and one of
Speaker 1: knowing that, you know, our best game of football hasn't
Speaker 1: been played yet. There's a lot of things that we
Speaker 1: can clean up. I can clean up. I know we
Speaker 1: can as an entire team. So nothing's easy in this league.
Speaker 1: You're in every single one you get, especially going on
Speaker 1: the road against a really good football team like Seattle.
Speaker 1: You know, in a hustle environment. So I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be where we are and there's a lot of work
Speaker 1: to be done and a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: football have to be played. Here's Pete Carroll on Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson determined fact to them, he wasn't able to hold
Speaker 1: on the football the way he needed to throw it
Speaker 1: because we're gonna throw the ball and throw it all
Speaker 1: over the place, and we didn't know, you know, what
Speaker 1: he would be able to do when he was just unsure,
Speaker 1: and you know, I trust him that if he could
Speaker 1: have he would have. Pain and an injury are two
Speaker 1: different things, because if you can't grip the football, he
Speaker 1: might not be in pain. And I don't know the
Speaker 1: severity of the injury, but I've had a dislocated finger
Speaker 1: on my right hand, my shooting hand, and it's still
Speaker 1: screwed up to this day, but there's no pain there.
Speaker 1: And that's what I wonder about with Russ. Is there pain?
Speaker 1: They can take care of the pain in the NFL,
Speaker 1: but is there Will it affect his performance? You know that.
Speaker 1: You know pitchers will get blisters. It doesn't hurt, it's
Speaker 1: just you can't grip the baseball. And then you'll see them.
Speaker 1: Nolan Ryan famously had blisters all the time. Josh Beckett,
Speaker 1: pitch for the Marlins, had this. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is something that keeps Russ out because it's
Speaker 1: going to be hard to grip the football. All right.
Speaker 1: Mclevinn would kind of pull question, do you have this
Speaker 1: is may sound mean, but is it time for the
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks to rebuild? Yes or no? They are said
Speaker 1: their defenses on a historically bad page for most yards allowed.
Speaker 1: Florio just tweeted, Okay, but if you're rebuilding, then are
Speaker 1: you rebuilding starting at the quarterbacking position? That's what I
Speaker 1: was wondering. I don't know what direction in this franchise
Speaker 1: is going in. When you go back to the interview
Speaker 1: that Russ did after the Super Bowl, I think Russ
Speaker 1: wanted out. I don't think he liked what he saw.
Speaker 1: I don't think I think he was fed up of
Speaker 1: getting sacked in average of forty eight times this season,
Speaker 1: and it always felt like, hey, Russ, we play this
Speaker 1: way and then at the very end, we need you
Speaker 1: to pull a rabbit out of a hat. And I
Speaker 1: think at some point Russ probably is saying I don't.
Speaker 1: Why do I have to do this every year? You know?
Speaker 1: And and I don't have any inside information on that
Speaker 1: other than when he came on and then a source said,
Speaker 1: you know, this is really serious deal. And this it
Speaker 1: still goes back to what Tom Brady. The impact Tom
Speaker 1: Brady has had on the NFL is going to have
Speaker 1: reverberations for decades. I mean, yes, he's the goat. He
Speaker 1: might have a bigger impact on the sport because he
Speaker 1: has empowered quarterbacks to have a voice. Because after you
Speaker 1: had Patrick Mahomes and you had Russell Wilson in the
Speaker 1: building at that Super Bowl, Mahomes playing in it, and
Speaker 1: looks over and there's Tom Brady saying, I want Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: I want Gronk here. I'm having fun. I want to
Speaker 1: have more of a say so here. That's why Russ
Speaker 1: said what he said on the show, because no one
Speaker 1: listened to him. Aaron Rodgers wanted to be listened to,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson wanted to be listened to. That's what Tom
Speaker 1: Brady brought about because he had an owner who stayed
Speaker 1: out of the way in Tampa as a coach who
Speaker 1: was going to listen to him. And why wouldn't you.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers did the same thing in Green Bay. Now
Speaker 1: they're sort of giving him that. But these new quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks, they want that voice. Now. Would I have
Speaker 1: given to Shaun Watson that voice at twenty four? No?
Speaker 1: I would not. Patrick Mahomes, No, I would not. I
Speaker 1: think you got it, and Mahomes maybe, but I don't
Speaker 1: know what you want to do with that voice, and
Speaker 1: what happens when I say no to what you want
Speaker 1: to do. I have talked about Michael Jordan famously wanting
Speaker 1: former North Carolina players on the roster with the Bulls,
Speaker 1: and they said no, and they did the right thing
Speaker 1: by saying no to Jordan, but Jordan never forgot it. Hey,
Speaker 1: I want Walder Davis here. Walder Davis was at the
Speaker 1: very end of his career and had gone through surgeries
Speaker 1: and was not a quality NBA player, but Michael wanted him.
Speaker 1: They said no. And sometimes you have to say no.
Speaker 1: If I was saying to a quarterback, all right, you
Speaker 1: want to have a seat at the table when we
Speaker 1: cut a guy to bring in the guy you want,
Speaker 1: why don't you go tell him you made that decision,
Speaker 1: Like it's a big boy table. We sit at here.
Speaker 1: But that's what Russ just wanted them to listen, and
Speaker 1: that's why he went public. And it wasn't by accident
Speaker 1: when I started to ask those questions, and then I
Speaker 1: just threw out, you know, you're getting sacked an average
Speaker 1: of forty eight times a year, more than any quarterback
Speaker 1: in the last ten years. And that's when he started
Speaker 1: to talk, and then he started to open up, and
Speaker 1: then I realized Russ had an agenda. He wanted to
Speaker 1: send a message to the Seahawks because the Seahawks weren't
Speaker 1: listening to him. Because Russ has been on this show
Speaker 1: twenty times, and usually Russ doesn't say much. Nice person,
Speaker 1: we like him, but he'll give you sort of stand
Speaker 1: pad answers, standard answers. This one it was different. I
Speaker 1: knew it right away. And then that's when I went
Speaker 1: in for the kill, to see, all right, what exactly
Speaker 1: is going to happen here? And then you had the
Speaker 1: fallout where his agent told Adam Schefter, hey, these are
Speaker 1: the four teams if you want to trade us, all right,
Speaker 1: message sent loud and clear, got their attention. I don't
Speaker 1: know what happens, I mean, you know, is it a
Speaker 1: Fluke injury. Yes, But do I think Seattle. Seattle's not
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they make the playoffs, but they're they're
Speaker 1: not a dangerous team because it feels like it's the
Speaker 1: same philosophy and you're gonna rebuild. Does Pete Carroll at
Speaker 1: his age, he's the oldest coach in the NFL. Hee's
Speaker 1: got a lot of energy. He must be using m drive,
Speaker 1: but he's got a lot of energy. But also, you're
Speaker 1: looking at the Rams and you're looking at Arizona. Those
Speaker 1: two teams look like they're pretty solid for the next
Speaker 1: couple of years. San Francisco just got Trey Lance, you
Speaker 1: got a rookie contract here, Like there's there's movement in
Speaker 1: the division, let alone the rest of the NFC. And
Speaker 1: I just think at some point Seattle moves on and
Speaker 1: uh Russ moves on. Yeah. Polling one thing that drives
Speaker 1: me crazy when I watched the Rams. First of all,
Speaker 1: their uniforms are so close to being perfect. If they
Speaker 1: would just brighten up those jerseys a little bit like
Speaker 1: the like the Dodgers, they almost look like they're tinted,
Speaker 1: like they're not completely clean. The Rams uniforms about five
Speaker 1: times a game the Rams run this run pass option
Speaker 1: with the running back and Matthew Stafford. Nobody in the
Speaker 1: world thinks that Matthew Stafford is running the ball. My
Speaker 1: daughter's tensis. Matthew Stafford's not running the ball. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: run that run pass option and Stafford does that little
Speaker 1: trot away without the ball. Yeah. No one's behind it,
Speaker 1: Yeah nobody. Yes, Pete Carroll and Seattle. You know, Pete
Speaker 1: does have a sixth sense of when to leave town,
Speaker 1: as I recall, so she and there happens to be
Speaker 1: another opening in LA I don't know. I'm just saying, um,
Speaker 1: if you think Pete would go back to USC has
Speaker 1: a sense, a sixth sense of when trouble is coming.
Speaker 1: But but you would have to rebuild at USC. What's
Speaker 1: easier to do rebuild in Seattle to rebuild at USC? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Se So is there a statue of limitations on certain
Speaker 1: sanctions that made me waiting? I don't know. All right,
Speaker 1: So what's the poll question we're gonna go with. I
Speaker 1: have gonna save it, but I have one I know
Speaker 1: who most needs a quarterback next season. We might as
Speaker 1: well get the twenty twenty one hot stove going. Wait,
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to save it. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: saving the teams. Oh oh, I got some good teams. Okay, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Ross's next home question mark? Okay, all right, brots, dogs
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Speaker 1: we'll take a break. Our good buddy Ross Tucker was
Speaker 1: tweeting up the storm last night. He'll join us, coming up,
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Speaker 1: a poll question. McLevin, you had one, you teased one
Speaker 1: before we went to break, and then we'll bring in
Speaker 1: our good buddy Ross Tucker. I don't have it finalized,
Speaker 1: but which team is going to be most desperate for
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the offseason? If I took all the
Speaker 1: one loss and below teams, you got the Steelers, the Texans,
Speaker 1: the Cults, the Vikings, the Dolphins, the Eagles, the Falcons,
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. That's the and then I guess you'll
Speaker 1: probably put the Broncos in there too. Well, the Steelers definitely, yea,
Speaker 1: they have to make a change. The Texans, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: going to be drafting somebody. But is any kind of
Speaker 1: I don't. We never know, but it seems like it's
Speaker 1: not like a heavy quarterback draft at leasa we know
Speaker 1: about now, no obvious ones, but this happens every year
Speaker 1: around this time. Now we did have Trevor Lawrence. You
Speaker 1: have had players where you go, oh, wow, that guy's
Speaker 1: going to be a first round pick. Nobody knew Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson at this time a year ago. No one at
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield anywhere close, No, no, So you're you're going
Speaker 1: to have and people weren't sold on Lamar Jackson when
Speaker 1: you know his final year at Louisville. But I looking
Speaker 1: at the landscape of quarterback, I don't see somebody who
Speaker 1: is transformational where you go, Hey, I'm irban Meyer, that's
Speaker 1: worth coming out of retirement to coach Trevor Lawrence. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're going to have that this upcoming season.
Speaker 1: So the Texans are going to have the number one
Speaker 1: pick probably, but I don't think you're finding your savior there.
Speaker 1: Depends on what you get in return when you trade
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson and her Aaron Rodgers to Shaun Watson. And
Speaker 1: maybe you've mentioned Russell Wilson in this play. I don't
Speaker 1: think Russ is there next year. Just don't. But I
Speaker 1: felt that before the season started. Ross Tucker, host of
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Speaker 1: on the program. What's your takeaway from last night's Rams
Speaker 1: win over Seattle? Oh? Geez, I got a bunch Dan,
Speaker 1: both on and off the field. I guess I'm kind
Speaker 1: of review on the Russell Wilson thing. I mean, the
Speaker 1: first two times they had the ball, Dan, they punted
Speaker 1: on fourth and two and a half from the Rams
Speaker 1: forty three, And then they had the ball on the
Speaker 1: thirty one yard line and it was third and two.
Speaker 1: They run. It looked to me like a zone read,
Speaker 1: but us Wilson just handed it to DJ Dallas, so
Speaker 1: I guess he couldn't pull it. He gets tackled for
Speaker 1: no game. Then fourth down they run Alex Collins right
Speaker 1: at Aaron Donald get stoned. I literally tweeted, Dan, are
Speaker 1: the Seahawks aware that Russell Wilson is their quarterback? Like
Speaker 1: someone should probably tell them? And it's funny because I
Speaker 1: got a bunch of applies from people saying, that's why
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be there, that's why he's not
Speaker 1: going to be there. If you just watch those first
Speaker 1: two series, and I know Russell watches the show her Listen,
Speaker 1: so he's probably watching right now. Russell, you gotta go
Speaker 1: somewhere else too. You're like, you can't be somewhere where.
Speaker 1: The first two drives of the game they punt from
Speaker 1: the forty three and then run it on third and
Speaker 1: fourth down when you're their quarterback, Dude, what do you
Speaker 1: take away if you're the Rams? You know, the one
Speaker 1: thing I guess i'd take away obviously, I think Stafford
Speaker 1: is certainly helping them from what they had last year
Speaker 1: in golf. Their defense isn't playing as well. You know,
Speaker 1: they lost Brandon Staley, Dan, I guess it's kind of
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? But they lose Brandon Staley
Speaker 1: to the Chargers. That was a legit brain drain, right, there.
Speaker 1: I mean, they had the best defense in football, certainly
Speaker 1: one of the two or three best last year. They're
Speaker 1: not nearly as good this year. Now. They did lose
Speaker 1: some guys, you know, the Browns picked off a couple
Speaker 1: of their defensive backs like Johnson and Hill, so they
Speaker 1: did lose some guys. But they're also using Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: a lot differently. They're putting him in the nickel a
Speaker 1: lot in the slot to cover you know, the slot
Speaker 1: receivers and whatever they're doing. It has not been as effective.
Speaker 1: And frankly, they were fortunate the way last night went.
Speaker 1: Even at the end of the first half, you know,
Speaker 1: Russell throws a touchdown pass, there's a tikie tack holding penalty, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, Dan is my other takeaway from last
Speaker 1: night's game. Two things. Number one, cluck mismanagement is an
Speaker 1: app It's an absolute epidemic in the NFL. I am
Speaker 1: shocked how often these guys screw up the clock. Number one,
Speaker 1: the number two, even just that last drive, a very
Speaker 1: questionable roughing the passer penalty on Aaron Donald followed by
Speaker 1: a questionable holding penalty on Dwayne Brown that I don't
Speaker 1: think it was a hold. It was Tickie Tack on
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass. Like I know, Dan that if you
Speaker 1: were the commissioner, or if Roger Goodell called you, you
Speaker 1: would say to him, Roger, why don't we if we're
Speaker 1: not sure, not throw the flag? Like what why are
Speaker 1: we throwing flags on questionable calls? Nobody wants that. Nobody
Speaker 1: asked for that, Dan. They're trying to be They're trying
Speaker 1: to protect themselves. They don't want to be second guests
Speaker 1: that way. Hey, when in doubt throw the flag. It
Speaker 1: should be the opposite. It should be when in doubt,
Speaker 1: don't throw the flag. All of us can live with
Speaker 1: if they let him play a little bit more. Okay,
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald he got too up to his neck area,
Speaker 1: but that was not much. Or Donald Brown, I mean
Speaker 1: Dwayne Brown. Okay, I can but let them play. I
Speaker 1: mean nobody. There's too many flags. It's very, very annoying.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, they had you known ineligible man
Speaker 1: downfield calls they've had this year, and I'm on all
Speaker 1: those meetings before the season where they tell you they
Speaker 1: never said that was a point in memphasis. They never
Speaker 1: said that. I've the Eagles have been called for it
Speaker 1: four times. Already two of them touchdowns. You're shot out
Speaker 1: of a cannon this morning, dude, I get up at
Speaker 1: four thirty. I have way too much iced tea because
Speaker 1: I don't like the flavor of coffee. So I have
Speaker 1: like pure leaf iced tea for like three quarters of it,
Speaker 1: and I put in just a little bit of diet
Speaker 1: Snapple for the flavor, a little bit, because the whole
Speaker 1: diet Snapple that's like too strong for me. So that's
Speaker 1: my morning mix special. When I know I'm going on
Speaker 1: with you, would you rather have Aaron Donald or Jalen Ramsey?
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, Yeah, I think. I think a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: a dominant defensive tackle is the most important position on
Speaker 1: a defense. Ramsey's very good, but you can so often
Speaker 1: just avoid him if you choose to, and even a
Speaker 1: defensive end, it's easier to chip those guys. Quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: so good at stepping up in the pocket when they
Speaker 1: run around the edge. You have a very impactful defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: You got problems. I mean, he had like four quarterback
Speaker 1: hits last night, five pressures eight time. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is maybe one of the best defensive players. My rookie
Speaker 1: year was two thousand and one. The best guy I
Speaker 1: ever played against the best defensive player was ray Lewis.
Speaker 1: I hope people realize, like Aaron Donald's that kind of player.
Speaker 1: Like when they do ten years from now, what check
Speaker 1: does that show? And they do the top one hundred
Speaker 1: players ever, Aaron Donald is like a top twenty all
Speaker 1: time football player. Talking to Ross Tucker, host of the
Speaker 1: Ross Tucker Football podcast, also does work for CBS in
Speaker 1: Westwood One as a color analyst. We were thinking about this,
Speaker 1: how many times how many teams have had the two
Speaker 1: best defensive players at their position in the league. The
Speaker 1: Rams have that with Jalen Ramsey and Aaron Donald, Right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Ravens, Ed Reid and ray Lewis. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know why this came to my head,
Speaker 1: but this is kind of behind before my time, Dan,
Speaker 1: but me and Joe Green and Mel Blunt. Well, you
Speaker 1: also had Jack Lambert and uh Jack, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if they were considered the best linebackers at
Speaker 1: their position, but Mel Blunt at the back end, and
Speaker 1: you had me Joe Green. Certainly were trying to think,
Speaker 1: who else comes to mind? Did the Cowboys have anybody Um,
Speaker 1: you had Randy White or Bob Lilly, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if you had anybody in the back end that
Speaker 1: was the best. Was there anybody I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: with everybody in the front seven when they had Dion
Speaker 1: in Dallas, well, Dion was in a variety of places,
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think that with Dallas, did they
Speaker 1: have a Charles Haley was Charles but I don't think,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know if he was the best,
Speaker 1: but he was very good. I'll give you another one,
Speaker 1: and Paulie would probably suggest this, Richard Dent. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he was the best d N because of
Speaker 1: Reggie White, but he was close. And I think Mike
Speaker 1: Singletary was the best middle backer. So when the eighties,
Speaker 1: you know, the mid eighties, Bears had a shot about
Speaker 1: Warren Sap, Derek Brooks, John Lynch and Ronde Barber was
Speaker 1: out there too, Yeah, and war Hall of Fame guys. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he had Simmeon Rice as well, who was a
Speaker 1: very good player. To have it at all three levels
Speaker 1: of the defense like that too. No wonder they won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Yeah, James Harrison, Troy Paula Mallam, I
Speaker 1: would say, you know, Harrison was Defensive Player of the
Speaker 1: Year one time, so yes, and then Paulamalu was probably
Speaker 1: the best safety that year. Although I was always more
Speaker 1: of an Ed Reid guy. Those guys were just you know.
Speaker 1: That's another one of my takeaways from last night, Dan.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks are paying Jamal Adams a lot of money
Speaker 1: to look that bad in coverage. I mean, but was
Speaker 1: he ever a coverage guy though? Ross Wasn't he a
Speaker 1: guy that he was a guy who came up to
Speaker 1: stop the run. Now he's like a lineback. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I don't know why they're using him as a deep
Speaker 1: middle of the field half field safety, but he did
Speaker 1: not look good in that role. I don't know. They
Speaker 1: need to blitz him. He needs to be in the box.
Speaker 1: But he's not Lamalu, He's not Ed Reid. But they're
Speaker 1: paying him like that. He's not that kind of player.
Speaker 1: Are you a Baker Mayfield fan? I am, But I
Speaker 1: thought last Sunday was the worst he's ever played, probably
Speaker 1: by a decent amount. And I think the Browns are
Speaker 1: going to have a real decision on their hands because
Speaker 1: would you pay him? Though forty forty five million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. No, I would not, And it's weird because
Speaker 1: I think the guys like him. I think he's a leader.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good quarterback. I think he's a
Speaker 1: top twenty quarterback. But he's at the bottom end of
Speaker 1: the top twenty. He's not even probably top fifteen. And
Speaker 1: I think the realistic portion of this, the reality is
Speaker 1: that I think there's a lot of quarterbacks that can
Speaker 1: do what he did. They have the best old line
Speaker 1: the NFL, they have the best run game. Stefanski's a
Speaker 1: terrific coach. I think there are quarterbacks twenty through twenty
Speaker 1: seven in the NFL that could put up very good
Speaker 1: numbers and win with Baker Mayfield and you could pay
Speaker 1: them a lot less. I just don't know why there's
Speaker 1: not middle ground. Why is it the next quarterback who
Speaker 1: comes up is going to make at least forty million
Speaker 1: dollars Because if I'm the Browns, I don't want to
Speaker 1: spend that kind of money. You know, can I do
Speaker 1: three years for thirty million or three years for twenty
Speaker 1: eight million something like that? Why why is it you're
Speaker 1: either cut or you get the top top end money?
Speaker 1: You know, what's funny about that, Dan? Nobody else would
Speaker 1: give him that money, right, Like, who is the team
Speaker 1: that's saying, you know what we need to do if
Speaker 1: he becomes a free agent, We got to get Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield for forty million years. I just don't think there's anything.
Speaker 1: What happens is you're winning and you have a guy
Speaker 1: you can win with, and teams get so afraid of
Speaker 1: not having a winning quarterback top twenty quarterback that I
Speaker 1: think they panic and they pay them. Because other teams
Speaker 1: aren't gonna pay Baker forty million. They're gonna say, we'll
Speaker 1: draft the next guy, or we'll take a retread project
Speaker 1: like a Sam Darnold, or you know a guy that
Speaker 1: flames out with his first team. No one's gonna pay
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield top dollars. So if I'm the Browns, I'm
Speaker 1: not either. Have a great weekend. Always great to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Settle down a little bit, all right, I
Speaker 1: will all calm down way hold on. Mclovin needs you one, Russ.
Speaker 1: We queued you up to talk about Buddy Ryan's Eagles
Speaker 1: defense at Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Clyde Simmons. You could
Speaker 1: Eddie two defensive players there. You grew up like me
Speaker 1: on Eagles. Yeah, but Reggie was the best at his position.
Speaker 1: The other guys weren't. I think I think you could
Speaker 1: have made an argument for Jerome Brown a couple of
Speaker 1: those years. Clyde Simmons, mcloven, How are you gonna say
Speaker 1: Clyde Simmons when he plays the same position as Reggie White?
Speaker 1: All right, fine that there's no logic there. Hey, this
Speaker 1: show needs more Eagles love. I've been saying that. Ross.
Speaker 1: You gotta help me here. I'm on an island. Are
Speaker 1: you all in on Penn State versus IONWA this weekend? Oh? Dude,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an awesome game. Um. You know what's weird? Dan?
Speaker 1: For number three against number four? I feel like it's
Speaker 1: not getting that much higher. It's not well why why
Speaker 1: is that? The kate like? I feel like because you
Speaker 1: are talking more about Oklahoma Texas or the SEC games,
Speaker 1: it's number three against number four? Happen? Iowa does in
Speaker 1: good coverage because we buy into Iowa. It seems like
Speaker 1: every year at some point and then they find the
Speaker 1: banana peel. This is this is the game that they
Speaker 1: would typically lose. I don't know, man, I I watch
Speaker 1: them against Maryland. They are very good. But look at
Speaker 1: the you know here, what's crazy. I know, I love
Speaker 1: your college football stuff, Dan, there are five teams at
Speaker 1: least in the Big Ten East better better than the
Speaker 1: second best team in the Big Ten West. Like, it's
Speaker 1: just they gotta do something about it. It's just not equitable.
Speaker 1: I mean, if Iowa beats Penn State, they're going undefeated.
Speaker 1: Did Penn State recruit you? You know what? I got
Speaker 1: two handwritten letters from Jerry Sandusky, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: the first one was to come to camp over the summer,
Speaker 1: but I knew I would run a bad forty times,
Speaker 1: so I didn't do that. The second one was you
Speaker 1: should walk on. But you know what's weird when you're
Speaker 1: in high school and they asked you to walk on.
Speaker 1: I guess I just figured I wasn't good enough. So
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, I'll go to Prince or Harvard and
Speaker 1: then my rookie year with Washington. All the Penn State
Speaker 1: guys were telling me I would have started three years.
Speaker 1: I would have been like their best o lineman that
Speaker 1: I grew up an hour and a half from there.
Speaker 1: I had season tickets. I was like la la, la la.
Speaker 1: I can't hear you. I can't hear you like that.
Speaker 1: That was My wife still gets mad because I still
Speaker 1: would have loved it. She's like, you went to the
Speaker 1: best school in the country. I'm like, I know, but
Speaker 1: I could have played the Penn State. Yeah, and what
Speaker 1: your career could have been. You know, it's funny you
Speaker 1: say that, Dan no I because in all sincerity, I
Speaker 1: probably would have been like a third or fourth round pick.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that only makes much of a difference,
Speaker 1: but your entry point matters, right, like being an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent. You know. The only spot I could make
Speaker 1: was being the ninth and last guy on Marty Schottenheimer's
Speaker 1: first team in OH one, and then it's kind of
Speaker 1: always an uphill climb, and your draft status always stays
Speaker 1: with you. Whereas if you go to one of those
Speaker 1: bigger schools and maybe you're a second or third round
Speaker 1: pick and they're invested in you, it does make a difference,
Speaker 1: there's no question. Keep your head up, Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: see you guys. Thank you. That's Ross Tucker, one of
Speaker 1: our favorites, nice host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast.
Speaker 1: Follow him on Twitter at Ross Tucker NFL. He's fun
Speaker 1: during a game. Following him on Twitter, He's really good,
Speaker 1: always entertaining. All right, we'll take a break. We got
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Speaker 1: I understand there's technical rules with Major League Baseball September
Speaker 1: call ups, triple A, all that stuff, that amount of
Speaker 1: time in the league, at bats games, you could still
Speaker 1: be considered a rookie. However, if you've played for two
Speaker 1: different teams in three different seasons, in three different post seasons,
Speaker 1: and you're the ALCS defending MVP from the twenty twenty ALCS,
Speaker 1: you're no longer a rookie. Yeah, technically, I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: under the wire. Yeah. I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if anybody's that upset today that I know you are.
Speaker 1: I know, and I like Randy. But it's a Friday.
Speaker 1: It's a Friday, It's meet Friday. I mean, should Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers been eligible for Rookie of the Year his fourth
Speaker 1: year in the league when he became a starter. Yes, mclumbe, Paul,
Speaker 1: Can you say who you want to win instead of Randy?
Speaker 1: And Rose Arena? Back to you, Dan, Thank you, pauli A.
Speaker 1: Rosarina is the first player with a straight out steal
Speaker 1: of home in the playoffs since Jackie Robinson Game one
Speaker 1: of the nineteen fifty five World Series. Dad. Yeah, out
Speaker 1: of the days out of the day stat of the day?
Speaker 1: Here comes that? What stat of the day? Fritzie says,
Speaker 1: don't take phone calls, but Todd, you could take a couple.
Speaker 1: I guess all right, gonna go to Paul in Iowa. Paul,
Speaker 1: what do you have for me? Hey, guys, Well, you
Speaker 1: know Daniel right, Iowa doesn't get a lot of talk
Speaker 1: on the national stage. But part of that is because
Speaker 1: last time they were twelve and ozho, they lost the
Speaker 1: Big Ten title game and they got smoked by Christian
Speaker 1: McCaffrey and the Rose Bowl. Okay, earlier this week, you
Speaker 1: guys were talking about NFTs of the show. I'd like
Speaker 1: to make a bid on mclove and fallen out of
Speaker 1: his chair as well. But the reason I called the
Speaker 1: day while you guys get that put together is with
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer seeming like he's going to weather the storm
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, what are the chances or would it be
Speaker 1: a good idea for Trevor Lawrence to kind of use
Speaker 1: this as a get out of jail free card? You know,
Speaker 1: he has a large following as a faith based role
Speaker 1: model in that part of the country where he's from,
Speaker 1: So why doesn't he say I can't get along with
Speaker 1: the coach. I don't agree with them. It's a bad team.
Speaker 1: I want out this offseason. I think it's a little
Speaker 1: early in the game for something like that. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if Trevor Lawrence is going to be a
Speaker 1: great soldier here and just hey, you know what, plow ahead,
Speaker 1: try to get through this. I mean, that's all you're
Speaker 1: trying to do. If you're Jacksonville and urban Meyer, you
Speaker 1: just want to get to this next game. Hopefully you
Speaker 1: win the game, and then you go to London after that,
Speaker 1: and then I think you have a bye week after that.
Speaker 1: But you're just trying to survive here. And Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: has enough going on on the field that he needs
Speaker 1: to worry about, let alone what's happening with urban Meyer.
Speaker 1: And understand this. You know, kids in college play for
Speaker 1: the coach, or more likely to play for the coach,
Speaker 1: because that coach really holds your future in his hands.
Speaker 1: Players in the NFL, they don't play for the coach.
Speaker 1: It's rare. You know, they got their professionals. You're maybe
Speaker 1: playing for the GM because he can hold your future
Speaker 1: in his hands. He can dictate if you're going to
Speaker 1: get a contract. Extension. You know, when you're in college,
Speaker 1: you're loyal to that coach. You don't hear anybody speaking
Speaker 1: out about a coach. It's really rare in the NFL.
Speaker 1: These guys. Do they really care what happened to Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer in a bar in Columbus, Ohio. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think they do. I mean, hey, you're here, you're our coach. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now they might care because it's like, well, how are
Speaker 1: you or who are you to discipline us? Given you
Speaker 1: know your carelessness. I mean, I guess I just don't
Speaker 1: think these players get caught up in that um. You know,
Speaker 1: do they have respect? I guess you know what respect is.
Speaker 1: When you win, then you have respect for your coach,
Speaker 1: and and it might be a little bit more tolerable
Speaker 1: if you're three and one, believe it or not, but
Speaker 1: you're own four. And I don't know if those players
Speaker 1: are going, we don't respect him. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they did respect him. I mean, this is this just
Speaker 1: isn't a big deal. I don't think to these players
Speaker 1: it is to everybody else. And I understand that, but
Speaker 1: I think in that locker room, either they respect him
Speaker 1: already or they don't. I don't think this tips the
Speaker 1: scales one way or another. Steve in Australia joins us,
Speaker 1: Good morning, Steve, did I say one sixty centimated seventy two?
Speaker 1: Unfortunately in the South Hemisphere right we don't get takes,
Speaker 1: so unfortunately, I've had to settle for the mother Ship
Speaker 1: and the majority of the crew have agreed that saying
Speaker 1: that Bacon Mayfield justifies the number one pick. And my
Speaker 1: debate with that one is, how can you sort of
Speaker 1: have a top five defense and a top five run
Speaker 1: game and then justify a number one pick of the QB. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if people are look at Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: as he was worthy of that number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: I think they like that he's got moxie, like he's
Speaker 1: not afraid. He's a miniature Brett Farve. He's got personality's
Speaker 1: dynamic when he gets in the room. And I think
Speaker 1: that he sold himself to the Cleveland Browns because he
Speaker 1: comes in he's got swaggered. It's just I don't think
Speaker 1: that he's a top fifteen quarterback, maybe top twenty quarterback
Speaker 1: right now. Now he's got the injury. Now you're going
Speaker 1: to play a game, you know, against the Chargers where
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have to run the football. But he's
Speaker 1: on a really good team and he's doing these commercials
Speaker 1: like it it adds value, it feels like to him
Speaker 1: it kind of increases his awareness. The same with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: You know, Dak was doing all those commercials and it
Speaker 1: felt like he was better, more important. And you know,
Speaker 1: now this year he certainly played well, but you see
Speaker 1: Baker doing all those commercials and you just assume, wet gosh,
Speaker 1: what am I missing here? Everybody loves Baker Mayfield. I
Speaker 1: would not be giving forty five million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't. Yep. But it does feel like he
Speaker 1: could have a career like Trey Aikman, where he has
Speaker 1: a very good defense, a great running game, and he's
Speaker 1: not asked to do a ton and could win a
Speaker 1: couple of titles. They have really talented team Treyman, believe me,
Speaker 1: first ballot, Hall of Famer, all that stuff. If you
Speaker 1: look at it, he only threw over twenty touchdowns once.
Speaker 1: He wasn't asked do that much. Yeah, but he did
Speaker 1: have He had Michael Irvin who was a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: and he had Emmett and who's a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: and he had a great coach in Jimmy Johnson. Great defense.
Speaker 1: Now it's a little bit different there, Yeah, Micklevin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Troy had a way of hitting a pass in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter against my Eagles. He was very clutch too.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Baker's shown that yet, but in
Speaker 1: his first couple of years he didn't see You didn't
Speaker 1: see that because they weren't a very good team. But
Speaker 1: then you know, Jimmy Johnson did an unbelievable job building
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and Troy knew what his role was and
Speaker 1: he kept his ego in check where it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to throw the ball. I'm just as good
Speaker 1: as Montana or Alway. Check in with the Dodgers coming
Speaker 1: up a little bit later on phone calls. Get to
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