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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one and tay

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Speaker 1: the show. We're joined by a living legend, Mr Barry Wenzel,

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Speaker 1: and Barry's diving deep with us today into his tactics

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Speaker 1: and philosophies for box hunting mature bucks. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sitko Gear

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Speaker 1: and today in the show, we are joined by a

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Speaker 1: man who has been widely requested by our listeners. We've

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Speaker 1: we've put out a number of different surveys over the

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Speaker 1: years asking you know, who do you want to hear from?

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Speaker 1: And this man and his brother have been top of

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Speaker 1: the charts for a long time, so this is a

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Speaker 1: long time coming, um. But this guy is is honestly

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Speaker 1: one of the most legendary figures in the white tail

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Speaker 1: hunting community. His brother and him have authored a number

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Speaker 1: a very influential deer hunting books. They produced videos such

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Speaker 1: as bow Hunting October white Tails that for a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have just completely changed the game. When those

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Speaker 1: videos came out and this guy I'm talking of is

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Speaker 1: Barry Wenzel. He's an avid traditional bow hunter living in

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Speaker 1: the great state of Iowa these days, and he is

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Speaker 1: a self proclaimed white tail fanatics. So today this I

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Speaker 1: think this one is gonna gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to cover. Um, he has a lifetime

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Speaker 1: of stories and experiences and lessons learned to share, and

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Speaker 1: from what I've seen and gathered, just an absolute ton

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Speaker 1: of big bucks that he can point to to back

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Speaker 1: his tactics up. So I guess I'm trying to say,

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Speaker 1: as I'm excited, um, and I want to get right

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Speaker 1: to the good stuff. But as we do on each episode,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you to bear with me a little

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Speaker 1: bit for a little pregame show here. I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's kind of I feel like that's kind of a

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Speaker 1: way to describe this right down our pregame show, all right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, just like just like game day is

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Speaker 1: to the college football day, are our first ten minutes

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes is just like a a warm up session.

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Speaker 1: So we really don't blow it with the guest exactly. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if this is college game Day of our four

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Speaker 1: college game Day host who would you be and who

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Speaker 1: would I be? I'm definitely Lea Corse. I was just

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Speaker 1: gonna say, you're definitely Course, that's exactly what. And then

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Speaker 1: you're the guy You're not You're not Herb Street, you're

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Speaker 1: the other guy. Um runs the show. But Chris Fowler

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Speaker 1: just vanilla. Yeah, fair enough. I keep the show on

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Speaker 1: the tracks, and and you're someone's got to run it

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Speaker 1: and I'm the guy who just derails it or or

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Speaker 1: you start laughing when you know every time you say

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Speaker 1: something right, every time I say something, you know it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be horrible. It's gonna come out wrong. Yep, that's

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Speaker 1: about right. So right, we've we've got our our characters

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Speaker 1: say here. I wanted to do a couple of things

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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say, of course, so is uh.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear about your weekend because I think

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Speaker 1: there's more good news right and UM. I also want

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Speaker 1: to do what we talked about very briefly last week,

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Speaker 1: D again, UM, because I went to this event. I

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Speaker 1: there's so much misinformation out there. But but yeah, good news, right,

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Speaker 1: you got to hunt again last weekend, am I right? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a mixed bag, right, good news,

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Speaker 1: bad news type scenario. The bad news is, before I

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Speaker 1: a good encounter like that. Absolutely, And the best part

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Speaker 1: you you um, you put that together with your scouting

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Speaker 1: betting and where the food sources is, the transition areas

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Speaker 1: hopefully uh intercept one. And I know that's not the

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Speaker 1: only I have a gut feeling that there's other big

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Speaker 1: and hopefully I run into something or were cross paths with,

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Speaker 1: you know, a target animal. It's a good start. Yeah, buddy,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome. Well, Um, so I hunted opening night. We

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Speaker 1: I hunted Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday up there and between.

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Speaker 1: So I've had five hunts so far in Michigan and

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Speaker 1: I've yet to see us angle buck, so that's uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, but they're on trail camera right well not so.

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Speaker 1: And on my southern Michigan properties there's one mature buck

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Speaker 1: You know, I just said, hey, we're going. Um, you know,

429
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: if you want to stay married, you're coming to You know,

430
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: if I said that today, I'd probably end up with

431
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: a broken jaw, right right. But yeah, you just have

432
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: to overpower them, you know. Damn it sounds like you

433
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: got some learning. Anyway, we moved to Iowa in ninety nine,

434
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: and uh, in fact, that was we started off with

435
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: kind of a tragedy because we sold our house in Montana.

436
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: I rented two commercial storage units, put everything I own

437
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: in in two units, and then I rented the biggest

438
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: truck U Haul made and I pulled the trailer behind

439
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: it and I took the first storage unit to Iowa

440
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: with intentions to going back and get the second one.

441
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: And before I got back to Montana to get the

442
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: second one, that the commercial storage unit burnt to the

443
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: ground and I lost half of everything I own, including

444
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of hundred trophies and a dozen

445
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: custom boats and irreplaceable stuff you know, family heirlooms and

446
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: so forth, you know. But uhum, I cried. But anyway,

447
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: it was, you know, again just a freak accident type

448
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: of thing, but kind of had it so much from

449
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: my trophy room and had to kind of start all

450
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: over again, you know. But anyway, Um, so we've lived

451
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: in Iowa now for what whatever sixteen years, and you know,

452
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: I love it. I just love the hardwoods. I love

453
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: the the the trophy you know, white tails, and um

454
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: the terrain. And I can't say I really enjoy the

455
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: heat of the summer. But that's you know, I can

456
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: deal with that, you know. Um as I sat. Humidity

457
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: no no big no huge, yeah, no huge problem and stuff,

458
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, so I can. I'm for the the advantage

459
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: I get with on that is I don't have to

460
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: deal with snow, you know, twelve feet of snow in

461
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: your driveway in Montana. You've you know, man, I'm just

462
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna say, you've You've lived in the only two states

463
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: in the country that I would move to, the two

464
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: states I consider moving to our Iowa in Montana and

465
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 1: about mont and I you know, have no offense to

466
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: some of the listeners, but uh, as I said earlier,

467
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: everything is in the timing. And my daughter still lives

468
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: out there and we go out, you know, every year

469
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: and so forth. But it has changed so drastically. I mean,

470
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: the guys will say, hey, you lived in Montana. Can

471
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: you give me some pointers on you know, where can

472
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: I have a decent chance to see and I'm getting

473
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: some milk or whatever, And you know, I have to

474
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: be honest with them. It's changed so drastically. For for example,

475
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: the wolves when we lived there, Um, I mean, I

476
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: I can't remember what year was back in the eighties,

477
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: you know, I ran into some wolves and you know,

478
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: nobody even knew they were around, and and now they're everywhere.

479
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: And areas that we used to walk pack back in

480
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: for elk that were you know, very real. I mean,

481
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: there's one our favorite area. It was like I can't

482
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: remember twenty six or twenty seven miles from the from

483
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: the road type of thing. And now there's hardly any

484
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: elk in Therefore. I haven't been in myself, but I've

485
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: talked to guys who have, and there's there's hardly any

486
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: elk in there, because before you know eastern Montana, we

487
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: used to go into eastern Montana. You know, is quote

488
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: our vacation. I was talking about the first two weeks

489
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: in October, and we would make a circuit and we

490
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: would basically hunt the major river drainage is the Missouri,

491
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: the Yellowstone, the Milk River, etcetera. For for example, the

492
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: Milk River. I mean, it's all over television. Everybody talks

493
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: about the milk gene, and I say, quote, discovered the

494
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: Milk River. We hunted the Milk River for decades and

495
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: never even saw or heard of another bow hunter. And

496
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: we used the analogy. You could go in western Montana

497
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: in the big timber and there would be I would

498
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: I would hunt all day long at home around home,

499
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: and I act in five deer day, all right, and

500
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: of those five deer, two or three of them would

501
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: be bucked. It was very close to a buck dough ratio.

502
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: But of those two or three bucks, one or those

503
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: bucks would be fully mature, so you would but you

504
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: would only see it was some long days when you're

505
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: hunting light to dark and you only see five deer,

506
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: whereas an eastern Montana we would do the same thing

507
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: and you would see between three and five hundred deer

508
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: a day in the woods while you're hunting. And I

509
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: use the analogy it's like if you take a lake

510
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: and take all the water out except one little strip

511
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: of water down the middle, you know where the fish

512
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: are going to be. And that's the way that the

513
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: prairie and eastern Montana was. It concentrated because of the moisture.

514
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: You know, the river bottom there was, that's where the

515
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: cover was. And that's also where the irrigation was. Where

516
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: the farmers had fields and they would plant the crops

517
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: in the or gate the crops and so forth. So

518
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: that because of the the the cover and security the food,

519
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: you're there. Okay, anyway, it concentrated the deer in one area,

520
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: and you know, as you would have a lot better

521
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, hunting and so forth. So I got on

522
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: a tangent. What was the original question. I was just

523
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: talking about how I wanted to move to Montana, and

524
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: you were saying, how it's not like I was going

525
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: to say, now, oh yeah, thanks for bringing that back up,

526
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: because those areas that we used to hunt e h

527
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: D hit and this was this was back it hit

528
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. We didn't even know what nobody knew

529
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: what it was back in the seventies and eighties and

530
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: so forth. And then in the nineties it hit big

531
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: time in eastern Montana, and um, I remember one year

532
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: and and don't quote me, I don't remember what year

533
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: it was, but one year we had and I can't

534
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: even remember the order, but we had it was the

535
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: worst winter snow in a hundred years, and so we

536
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: lost like half of the of the deer herd. And

537
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: then the next summer it was drought type of thing,

538
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: and we lost almost well sixty percent. So we we lost,

539
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, although of six of the fifty percent that

540
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: was left over from the year before type of thing,

541
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: so it pretty much wiped out. And at that time,

542
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: the there biolog just they didn't even know. I mean,

543
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: the ones I talked to didn't know what was going on.

544
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we would go in and talk

545
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: to him and they're asking us questions, you know, and

546
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: they were um, and I got a what's my words here?

547
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: They were they were just naive. They didn't know. Uh,

548
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: they hadn't ever dealt with it before. And I remember

549
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: them telling me that that p h D was similar

550
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: to blue tongue and it was non sex specific, meaning

551
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: it would be kill this as many does as bucks.

552
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: It was non aged specific, it would kill just as

553
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: many fonds as trophy bucks, etcetera. But Jane and I

554
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: the farms we used to hunt that fall, We go

555
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: over there and he and I found seventy seven, zero

556
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: seventy dead bucks that were um, and I'm I think

557
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: that we found one two by one you know, spike

558
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: on a fork on one side, and one little three

559
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: by three. Out of seventy, you know, sixty eight of

560
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: them were four by four. Eight pointers are better. And

561
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking three and a half, four and a half

562
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: five and a half year olds, you know. So I

563
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: mean when you find and two found two doughs, we

564
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: said we found a spike or whatever, a spike in

565
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: a three by three and two doughs and the rest

566
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: were trophy quote mature bucks type of thing. And that's

567
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: not fifty fifty you know. So, as I said, they

568
00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: they wiped out the entire area, entire age structures, and

569
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: uh you can at the end of that when that happened,

570
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: you could drive around, I mean fields, and you were

571
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: allowed to spotlight if you didn't have a weapon in

572
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: the car and stuff. And we used to call Fish

573
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: and Game. We we got along great with him. Would

574
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: call him and say, we're gonna, you know, check out

575
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: an area so and so. You know, if anybody reports us,

576
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: it's just us or whatever. Anyway, my point is that

577
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: you could spot a field one year and it would

578
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: be two d and fifty deer standing in it, you know,

579
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: at night with the spotlight. And then then the year

580
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: after you go back to the same field and there's

581
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: a dough and a fawn, you know, and how come

582
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: they didn't die, you know type of thing. I mean,

583
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: it just totally wiped them out. So consequently we moved

584
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: on and it would it come. They started to come back,

585
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: and it would just start to come back and it

586
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: would hit again. And you know, I said to Gene, hey,

587
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: we're getting too old for these fonds to grow up

588
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: to be five and a half years old only to

589
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: get wiped out when they're four and a half or whatever,

590
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, So that was the the opportunity to to

591
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: move to Iowa, and that's what we did. And uh,

592
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: as I said, I never looked back type of thing,

593
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, but it's so different now. Um, if you

594
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: go to Montana, you need to really research. And I

595
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: don't want to paint a negative picture because there's probably

596
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: still good areas, um And there are certain areas that

597
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: the disease problems would hit, you know, terribly in other

598
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: areas that had passed right over type of things. So

599
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting. But all I'm saying is, um, Um,

600
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: if you do hunt Montana, you need to really research

601
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: the area, be it you know, elk cantalope, white tails

602
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: or whatever, because it's not the same as it was,

603
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, necessarily when we were there and it was prime.

604
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: So I don't want to paint an unrealistic picture. No,

605
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: it's a good way. It was great. Well last it's interesting.

606
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: I've I've punted Montana for white tails the last two years, um,

607
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: once in central Montana, once in eastern Montana. And uh,

608
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: I would love to have seen what it was like

609
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: back in the day, if it was that much better,

610
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: because even today it seems remarkable to me as a

611
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: Michigan guy. Um. But but man, it must have been

612
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: something pretty special before these issues. So I was gonna say,

613
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: but now that you're in Iowa, UM, I kind of

614
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: want to shift over to what you're doing these days.

615
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I've read from you

616
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: you seem to talk about a lot is how you're

617
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: hunting these deer using terrain, using an understanding of how

618
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: deer used terrain um in different different ways. That train

619
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: funnels deer, moves deer, and allows you to hunt. And

620
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: I kind of want to use that as a starting

621
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: point for us to dig into, like the tactic side

622
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: of things, because you know, whether be Montana or Iowa

623
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: or wherever else you've hunted, it seems like you've been

624
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: able to get on big, mature deer and you're doing

625
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: it hunting with traditional archer equipment, which requires you be

626
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: very close to these deer. So you've been a really

627
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: fine tune your ability to do this. So I guess

628
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: I kind of want to set you off in that direction.

629
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: Tell me about I love talking about that because I

630
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: think that is one of the most important things that

631
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: we need to worry about in the future. Um. Frankly,

632
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: the young hunters today are being taught and it it's

633
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: nobody's real really, not anyone you know, idea or thought,

634
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: but it's it's human kind of human nature. Um that

635
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: the young kids that they want more and bigger and

636
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: faster type of thing. And as I said, they all

637
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: want to be a Michael Jordan's but I don't want

638
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: to have to practice shooting hoops, you know. I mean,

639
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: they all wanted to be a successful big game hunter,

640
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: but trophy hunter, so to speak. But they don't want

641
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: to have to to you know, learn or you know,

642
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: and they've been taught the TV programs I hate, but

643
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: they're kind of teaching the youth of today that the

644
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: way to hunt white tails is to sit over food

645
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: plot in a shooting house and they'll sit there and

646
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: play their game boy or whatever they're you know, their

647
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: iPod or what pad or whatever it is, and and uh,

648
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, wake me up if a big one comes about, dad,

649
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: you know that time I'll blast them. You know. No

650
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: woodsmanship where the kids are learning, um, the easy way

651
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: and not learning the woodsmanship skills, which is really disappointing

652
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: to me. Because to me, that's what makes it so rewarding.

653
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: That's where the fun is, is to to go out

654
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: and actually put the pieces of the puzzle together. And

655
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: I had to say, earn the trophy, but be able

656
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: to to uh, predict what's going to happen, and not

657
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: just a deer walking into a food plot type of thing,

658
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: but predict when it's going to happen, how it's going

659
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: to happen, you know, you know, et cetera. And then

660
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: put all these pieces together. And frankly, there's no better

661
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: way than boots on the ground. I mean, you can

662
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: listen to the I mean no offense. You can listen

663
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: to the iPods, you can watch the videos, you can

664
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: read the books and watch the TVs and and so forth.

665
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: But there's so many things that you actually have to

666
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: get out and put boots on the ground. I mean example,

667
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: aerial photos. You can look at an aerial photo and

668
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: that's all well and good, and you can gain you

669
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: can benefit from that, but you can't there's a lot

670
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: of stuff that you cannot see an aerial photos. The

671
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: kinds of trees, the light intensity, um, the understory it's

672
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: thicker here, you know. I have run these boot camps

673
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: for fifteen years now, and that's where they shine. These

674
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: guys you know, will come in and it's a three

675
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: day session and I they come in and I'll the

676
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: first day is basically classroom stuff. I'll spill my guts.

677
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: And then the next two days I take them out

678
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: into the timber and I show them my own personal

679
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: stands and explain why they're there, how they're there, when

680
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: I hunt them, how I hunt them, et cetera. And

681
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: as I said, there's so many things gray areas that

682
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: are hard to understand via watching TV or reading or

683
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: just listening, whereas I can take like, for for example,

684
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: edge everybody will say, you know, oh yeah, I know

685
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: what edges. That's where the field meets the timber type

686
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: of thing. Well, then I'll take them into timber and say, okay,

687
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: stand right here and notice that the understory is thicker

688
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: here than it is right there there. That's an edge.

689
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: Noticed that the canopy is thicker here than it is

690
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: over here. That's an edge. That is why the understory

691
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: is thicker here than it is over here, because the

692
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: canopy is allowing sunlight to come in and generate the

693
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: understory and make it thicker and you will have dear

694
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: depending on the situation and in other words, uh different.

695
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: I'll point out examples, okay. For for example, there's one

696
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: one place I'll take the guys and I'll say, okay,

697
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: see that it's offense, a run offense. Internally it runs

698
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: east west, all right. The south side of the fences

699
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: trees thicker, understory, etcetera. The north side of the fence

700
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: is pasture, but a few trees in it and so forth.

701
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: All right, And I'll say to those guys, you know

702
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: you can sit this spot. The deer are coming from

703
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: the food source to the west. They're going to the

704
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: bedding area to the east, all right. In early season

705
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: before like in the beginning of our season overly opens

706
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: October one, okay, for the first couple of weeks of October,

707
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: deer that are going from the food source to the

708
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: bedding area will walk out in the pasture. And this

709
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: is back in it's not next to any roads or anything.

710
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: But they'll walk out in the pasture. And you'll think itself,

711
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: why are they doing that when they don't have the density,

712
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: And then you think more about it, and you think, okay,

713
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: the reason being is it's predominant south southwesterly wind. They

714
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: can walk can that pasture and not have any disturbance,

715
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: et cetera. Instead of bowling their way through thick understory

716
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: of briers, you know, stickers, it's got do on it.

717
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: It's wet, you know, they got to bowl their way

718
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: through it type of thing versus an easy walk through

719
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: the pasture. But as soon as the first frost shit,

720
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: then the leaves and the understood thick understory will die.

721
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: The frost kills the leaves, they'll drop, and then it

722
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: will actually be easier. Then they will shift. The dear

723
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: movement will shift into the the thicker what was sick

724
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: understory is still thicker than the pastor, but it won't

725
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: be there. They don't have to worry about bulling their

726
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: way through it the leaves of fallen. Plus they still

727
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: have the wind to their advantage, so they can smell

728
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: anything that's upwind of them, and they can see anything

729
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: it's downwind of them. And consequently it's you know, safe

730
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: secure travel, so that you you have to set up

731
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: your stand accordingly depending on the certain time of the year.

732
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: We do stuff like that all the time. And I,

733
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: as I said, I guess I should say. It's just

734
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of a a saturation thing. In other words,

735
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: if somebody said to me, you know, um, you know,

736
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: how do you base your your hunting technique? You know,

737
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: what would you suggest these younger guys do. Uh. One

738
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: of the things that I would highly recommend is for

739
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: them to slow down, um, meaning slow down and think

740
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: about what you're seeing. UM. I used to brag. I

741
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: mean I'm talking, you know, thirty forty years ago. I

742
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: used to brag about going into an area and I

743
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: could run through it and put it all together, you know,

744
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: and it was almost I was almost cocky about it. Okay.

745
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: But in my older you know age, UM, I have

746
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: I used to I used to say, I'd rather go

747
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: into an area and walk at one time for six hours,

748
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, rather than go back and disturb it six

749
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: times an hour each, all right, And now I'm the

750
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: completely one eight the other way around. I would much

751
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: rather go back multiple times. Number one, because a comparison

752
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 1: type of thing. You can compare the thermal, the wind

753
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: direction on uh, you know, day one versus day three

754
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: or four times the fifth time you walk it, and

755
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: so forth, you can delight intent the things that that

756
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: you can, you can learn the you know, spending. The

757
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: secret is timing. In other words, you don't you don't

758
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: do this close to the season. I mean I get

759
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: a charge out of all these, you know, I hate

760
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: to say it. The the average guy. They'll wait till

761
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks before the bow season opens,

762
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: and okay, man, now I gotta I gotta go out

763
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: there and scout, you know. And I hate to tell you,

764
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: but you know, they're they're way months too late. I

765
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: do my scouting right after the previous season when there's

766
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: no vegetation, you know, before it doesn't matter again if

767
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: there's snow cover on the ground, it's just eat here

768
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: walking when it's you know, no lead, I mean, no understory,

769
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: but you know, no snow and ice you have to

770
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: worry about. But my point is I do the majority

771
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: of my scouting, you know, right after season, being prepared

772
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: and comparing. I'm out there all the time, all the time,

773
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: you know. And I use the analogy. It's like and

774
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a baseball fan or anything, but it's like

775
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: the baseball player going to spring training. You know. They

776
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: don't wait till the opening first game of the season

777
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: to start warming up, they go to Florida or Arizona

778
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, spring training, and they're they're they're

779
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: getting they're preparing and they're getting ready practicing for the opening.

780
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: And it takes months, you know, not a week or

781
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: so type of thing. So, as I said, it's it's

782
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: uh and that's the fun of it, being able to

783
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: predict what's going to happen. But if I had to

784
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: pinpoint my success, one of the biggest things is number one,

785
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: hunting undisturbed deer. And number two is putting in the

786
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: time learning the terrain, because there's terrain features and structures.

787
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: Knowing how a dear, his whole life rotates around his

788
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: sense of smell. Guys do not realize or appreciate how

789
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: much they depend on the deer, depend on their sense

790
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: of smell in their everyday moving you know, everyday movements

791
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: and stuff. Um, let me say this. I use an example,

792
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: all right, perfect example. Say you've got a ridge, hardwood

793
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: ridge running east west. Okay, on the east end of it,

794
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: there's a food source, cornfield, alfalfa field, whatever, beans or whatever. Okay.

795
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: On the west end of that ridge, it's all hardwoods

796
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: and it drops down to a creek bottom, right, there's

797
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: usually where it drops down to the you know, the

798
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: erosion and stuff. There'll be little shelves and so forth.

799
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: All right. The predominant wind norm in our area comes

800
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: from the south or southwest, all right. So the deer

801
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: feed in the field, all right, and then they they

802
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: walk back and you know, across the ridges to their

803
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: bedding area. And they and we'll get into that in

804
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: a minute. And they bed there for security reasons all

805
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: right through the years. And I'm talking fifty years ago,

806
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: all right, when they logged those hardwoods. You'll see the

807
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: remnants of an old skid road, all right, and that

808
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: will be on the top of that ridge, all right.

809
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: The reason that the top of that ridge, that's human activity,

810
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: human thinking, because it's easier to take the logs out

811
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: when they logged it fifty years ago with the skid

812
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: road on the top rather than side hill. But say

813
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: the top of that ridge is only I don't know,

814
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: fifty yards wide, all right, That old grown over skid

815
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: road will still be. You'll be able to see it,

816
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: and you'll see tracks on it. There's all kinds of

817
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: tracks because the deer walking up and down that skid road.

818
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: Most of your hunters will see those tracks and say,

819
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: oh man, this is where I want to be. So

820
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: they'll get on, say, I guess it's that the example,

821
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: it's going east west. They'll get on the north side

822
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: of that skid road, put their stand up all right,

823
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: covering the skid road. What they don't realize is the

824
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: tracks that they're seeing on that skid road are nocturnal. Yes,

825
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: there's tracks on it, but most of the tracks on

826
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: are made at you know, before and after dark. I

827
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: mean after before light and after dark type of thing.

828
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: All right, So you you if you look around and

829
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: think of the logistics of why they do what they do,

830
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: all right. If the the wind is coming from the

831
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: south and your east west ridge is you know, is

832
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: the movement patterns, So the deer going from the food

833
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: source to the east that are bedding to the to

834
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: the west. All right, the deer will, especially after lights,

835
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: once in a while you'll get one walking that road.

836
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: But how many times you've heard the guy he'll put

837
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: his tree stand up there and oh man, he came

838
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: in right behind me, you know, well, duh, I mean

839
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: the reason he came in right behind us where he

840
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: was supposed to come in I mean according to the deer.

841
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: You know, you're thinking like a deer now, not like

842
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: a human. So what you do again? You look around

843
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: and you'll see a slight secondary trail over the crest

844
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: of the hill on the north side of the east

845
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: west facing you know, are running ridge. Okay, just over

846
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: the crest. Usually it's just down far enough where they're

847
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: not skylined, and it's still it will run the east

848
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: west over the crest that the ridge. That is where

849
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: you set up for type of thing in other words,

850
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: and what happens, and you think of the reasoning behind it.

851
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: They're living every day security because of their sense of smell.

852
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: So the deer will they'll get up in the afternoon,

853
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: they'll get up from their beds and they'll slowly work

854
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: their way out from west to east over the lip

855
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: of that of that ridge. They got a southerly predominant wind,

856
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: so they can smell anything upwind of them, and they

857
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: can see anything downwind of them, so they can see

858
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: where they can't smell, and smell where they can't see,

859
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: and they'll slowly work their way out, and then they'll

860
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: go out into the field after dark and be out there.

861
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: So you're set up to to ambush them where they're

862
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: supposed to be, not where you think there'll be type

863
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: of thing and anyway, and the exact reverse is true

864
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: in the morning. In the morning, depending on if they're

865
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: running late or you know, the time of day and stuff.

866
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of things like that that you can

867
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: learn by going out and thinking about looking at what

868
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: you're seeing and thinking about it rather than you know,

869
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: just you know, I mean a lot of that stuff

870
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: is is nothing but logic type of thing. Um. It's

871
00:51:54,160 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: like you know, scrapes, you know, the will tend to uh,

872
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: they'll sit like in the guys will sit scrapes and

873
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: unless then we won't even get into that. But I mean,

874
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: a good primary running breeding scrape type of thing. All right.

875
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: You'll find if you study them long enough, you'll find

876
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: that that in the morning, bucks tend to scent check

877
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: the scrapes more in the morning, whereas in the afternoon

878
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: they'll actually visit them. And you think of the reasoning

879
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: behind it. Other words, in the morning deer or being uh,

880
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: they might be betted. That depends on if it's lighter,

881
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, say it's it's light, say it's eight o'clock,

882
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, in the morning type of thing, and that

883
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: deer wants to check that scrape for he might check

884
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: for uh, there might be a dough, receptive dough that's

885
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: betted right there. It might be another buck dominant subordinate

886
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: type of thing that's betted right there. So he'll come down,

887
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: he'll come in down wind and send check it and

888
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: stuff go from there, all right. Whereas in the evening

889
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 1: they know that it's evening, and man all night long

890
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: while we're sleeping, they're running traction, grunting and breathing, and

891
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: you know they're carrying at a circus going on out there.

892
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: So they'll go head right in to the scrape and

893
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: actually fresh out anything around here. No, okay, we'll freshen

894
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: it up tee here, and then then they'll move on

895
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: and so forth. A lot of that stuff is absolutely nothing,

896
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: as I said, if you think about it, that's the

897
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: reasoning behind it that we were talking. You asked about

898
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: the terrain um, the the the you need to realize.

899
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: I use this as an analogy the same thing. Okay,

900
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: say say you've got a ridge, okay with a food

901
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: source at the bottom of the ridge. All right, Um,

902
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: just through whatever you know, science or another. Hot air

903
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: rises all right, all right, because the ridge is higher

904
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: than the food source. During the day, the air currents

905
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: and I'm talking thermal currents, as the sun hits the air,

906
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: they'll flow up the mountain type of thing. So the

907
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: deer will bet at the top of the mountain so

908
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: that they have the the thermals coming up the mountain

909
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 1: in into their their faces. They can smell anything that's

910
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: that's coming up the mountain, all right. The same say

911
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: the ridge is running east west, all right, and you've

912
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: got a predominant wind direction coming from the south. They

913
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: there's a certain now we're talking wind direction, not thermals.

914
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: You'll find that the wind direction from the south will

915
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 1: be on over top of that ridge and it will

916
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: meet the thermal currents coming up on the north face

917
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: of that ridge. And there's there's an area there that's

918
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: just over the crested a ridge where they're getting both

919
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: the any thing and he smells and he sends disturbances

920
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: on the up wind side. Uh, you know, they're gonna

921
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: smell coming in and anything, any disturbances or whatever they're

922
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: on the down wind side, they're gonna come they smell

923
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: from the thermals, so that's where they're betting for security purposes.

924
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: Then in the afternoon, all right, while the sun is

925
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: still up, the majority of the herd, you know, the

926
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: immature box of those of fawns, will get up from

927
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 1: the beds and they'll start to work their way down

928
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: the mountain to the food source with the thermals in

929
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: their face type of thing. The big mature trophy buck.

930
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: He remains betted at the top of the mountain, okay,

931
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: until the sun goes down de thermalization, the thermals start

932
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: to cool. Then they start to run down the mountain,

933
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: and you think of the logistics behind it, it makes

934
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: perfect sense. Now he's going down the mountain, he's got

935
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: the wind and the thermals at his back so he

936
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: can smell anything behind him. He's got the rest of

937
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: the deer herd down in the field acting his decoys.

938
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: So if you bust, uh, you know, if a button

939
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: buck busts you down there, you don't even know the

940
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,959
Speaker 1: big guy who was around type of thing. And that's

941
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: the exact reason. He's the last one to enter the field,

942
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, just before dark or after dark. And as

943
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: the exact opposite is through in the morning, before it's

944
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: even light, he'll start to work his way back up

945
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: the bedding to the betting area with the down the

946
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: cooler air thermal's coming down in his face type of thing,

947
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: and he's got the rest of the herd over his back,

948
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: watching the watching the back door, so to speak. So

949
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: it's a predicted normal pattern that guys need. If they're

950
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: aware of that, they can look for that type of thing.

951
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: It's like, there's so much stuff out there that you

952
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: read about. And and I hate to say, a lot

953
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: of the outdoor writers, you know, they're just they'll make

954
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: stuff up, and I don't think they really understand what

955
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: they're saying half of the time anyway, you know, I mean,

956
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: and again, no offense, some of them do. But my

957
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: my point is, for example, like uh, scrapes, alright, when

958
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: a when a the function of a scrape, you ask,

959
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, the average guy, and you know, oh, that's

960
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: where that's the calling card, where the do the buck

961
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: meets the dough and stuff? Yes it is, but there's

962
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: a lot more going on at a scrape than people realize,

963
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: all right, all right, when when again, if if a deer, uh,

964
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: if a buck makes a scrape. Okay, he urinates, and

965
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: a lot of times the dough is the one who picks.

966
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, you'll urinate in that spot. And it's usually

967
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: in a spot that the number one is secure and

968
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,479
Speaker 1: number two where you know there's a lot of deer

969
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: travel and so forth. Okay, So say the buck as

970
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: the ground, you know, turn turns up, turns up the dirt,

971
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: and then he brings his his tarso glands is you know,

972
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: hawk lends together, he'll pee over the hawk glands. Two

973
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: things happen at that time when he urinates in that scrape. Okay,

974
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: the urine itself will be deposited, and the the each

975
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: deer within the deer herd, the social structure, that dear heard,

976
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: every deer has its own personal distinct aroma. In other words,

977
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: that's and you can use analysis. That's why you know

978
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: when they separate the cows and the calfs, and you

979
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: know that that's how the cow finds, you know, and

980
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: the calf to come back together through the the odor

981
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: of the individual animals. All right, So his personal scent

982
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: is left in that scrape. The second thing is that

983
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: the aroma deposits his health, meaning a dough and it

984
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: gets heavy. But a dough can smell that urine, and

985
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: she knows again if that's a healthy animal or not.

986
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: If it's a healthy animal he has she's smelling the

987
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 1: smell of fat molecules. If it's an unhealthy animal, she's

988
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: smelling the aroma of protein type of thing. So she

989
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: can smell that scrape and she she instantly knows, Oh,

990
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: that's Bob the eight pointer, all right, and he's healthy.

991
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: Whereas this one, Oh that's Jim the ten pointer, and

992
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: you know he's got some problems, even though he's got

993
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: more points on his head. You know, a day, the

994
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: dough will pick her sires. She knows which one she

995
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: can you know that, yes, the bucks will all try

996
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: to harass her and stuff, But as long as she

997
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 1: keeps moving, you know, she can you know, prove that

998
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: being you know, bread type of thing. So she she

999
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: wants to be bred by the animal that you know,

1000
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: she prefers, which is the healthiest one, you know, has

1001
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: the best genetics, you know, just for a perpetuation of

1002
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: of the specie and stuff, you know, things like snorting.

1003
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: I get carried away here sometimes I think I think

1004
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: this is a good place to take a quick break,

1005
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: and uh hopefully have a notepad because obviously we've been

1006
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: covering a lot here, a lot of information, a lot

1007
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: to take in, but good stuff, very good stuff. But

1008
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break here for a word

1009
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: from our friends at White Tailed Properties, and then we'll

1010
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: get right back to it. This week with White Tailed Properties,

1011
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: we are joined by Brandon Schwartzlander, a land specialist out

1012
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: of Illinois, and Brandon is going to be telling us

1013
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: about the importance of getting the next generation involved with

1014
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: land management. You know, that's a great question. I think,

1015
01:00:55,160 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: uh me personally, I think getting kids involved early. Maybe

1016
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: not just kids, but but anyone who hasn't experienced the

1017
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: outdoors or land. I mean, it's it's just such an

1018
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: awesome advance. I honestly gotta have to pinch myself sometimes

1019
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: because I get to do this for a living. But

1020
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: you know when when I have girls and some of

1021
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: them hunt, some of them don't hunt, but just just

1022
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: being out we all shoot, we all shoot bows, um,

1023
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: and we all experience the outdoors, we shed hunts, we

1024
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: do all those things together. I just think that you

1025
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: can take away so much more by spending time with

1026
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: whether it's your family or friends or whomever in in

1027
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: the woods or or you know, on a piece of land.

1028
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: It's it's it's so much better than than you know,

1029
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: having a phone stuck in your face or a laptop

1030
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. I just think it gives us an opportunity

1031
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: to go back to to what we we're raised on

1032
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: and and I think, you know, maybe maybe that's missing

1033
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: to some degree and in society today. But I just

1034
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: think when when you introduce things at an early age.

1035
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: I think guy was probably five when I started um

1036
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: in the outdoors with my dad. But it makes you

1037
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: want to be better, and it takes you away from,

1038
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, things that that can be a negative influence.

1039
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: I just I feel like it's it's such a positive

1040
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: thing for especially with family. I mean, when you can

1041
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: can do those things with your kids and your wife

1042
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. If you'd like to learn more and to

1043
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: see the properties that Brandon currently has listed for sale,

1044
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:30,439
Speaker 1: visit white tail properties dot com. Backslash swards lander that's

1045
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: s w A R t z l A n d

1046
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: e R And now let's get right back into it.

1047
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: Things like snorting. When a dear snort, All right, guys

1048
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: will say, you know, oh he blew me type of thing.

1049
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: Well maybe and maybe not. What I'm saying, the reason

1050
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: a dear snorts is to blow the mucus out of

1051
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: there if they if they snort, they might have smelled you,

1052
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: but they might have might have been something out. They'll

1053
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: accept and it's not really that you know, much of

1054
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: a danger to them. So they'll blow, They'll snort, they'll

1055
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: blow the mucus out of the nasal cavity and stuff.

1056
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: At the same time, they moisten the orifice, meaning that

1057
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: that the the opening of the nose and nasal cavity

1058
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: will become moist and a moist orifice will pick up

1059
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: scent molecules in the air. You've seen bucks where you

1060
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: assume get their licking their noses all the time. In editor,

1061
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: their tongues licking all over the licking their nose. That's

1062
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: what they're doing. They're moistening the orifice to try to

1063
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: pick be able to pick up the scent molecules a

1064
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: little bit better. But as I said, I get kind

1065
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: of carried away sometimes. But the bottom line is you

1066
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: need to put boots on the ground, slowly walk around

1067
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: and decide why they're doing certain things, and line everything up,

1068
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: um that you're still there, right, yeah, we are here. Okay, Okay,

1069
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: you didn't want to find out. I didn't want to

1070
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: find out. I've been talking to myself for the last anyway,

1071
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: You've got anyway, you've got a wealth of information. This

1072
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: is this is terrific. Oh great, Well, and like I said,

1073
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: you need to look everybody out there needs to look

1074
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: at pieces of the puzzle. You know, the words meaning

1075
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 1: um okay. For example, Um, the I shot two big

1076
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: bucks last year. Okay, the second one? All right. The

1077
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: reason that stand is where it is is because there

1078
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: is let's say one to actually three different fence corners

1079
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: come together, well kind of like a y type of thing,

1080
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: all right, but no, wait about one? Yeah? Three? Al right,

1081
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: actually four. But anyway, my point is on the north

1082
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: side of the fence, and this is where the boot

1083
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: can't camp classes shine because I can point this stuff out,

1084
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: see how that angles up like that, you know where

1085
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: we can't see that on the phone type of thing.

1086
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: But you know, guys are able. I use the the analogy.

1087
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know, watching a war movie

1088
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: versus actually being in War's a big difference and stuff.

1089
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: So me telling you about it versus you know, trying

1090
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: to put it together in your mind might might not work.

1091
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: But anyway, my point is, um, you need to to

1092
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: scout your areas out and most guys do not look

1093
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: far enough. Other words, Um, in this particular scenario, all

1094
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: right over the horizon, it's not even in view, it's

1095
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: over the crest that the horizon. To the north of me,

1096
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: there's a stock pond, I mean a farm pond, all right,

1097
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: and the farmer has it circled fenced ht a barbed

1098
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: wire fence around it. But the angles of that fence,

1099
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: the the uh cultivated crops are past the the stock tank,

1100
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: and the angles that the the fences that cut you know,

1101
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: that run around a perimeter of that dictate the movement

1102
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: with a little like little strips of trees that are

1103
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: that are angled a certain direction. All right, So my

1104
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: stand is positioned so my scent blows over top of

1105
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: the stock pond where they're not going to bust me,

1106
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, unless they're walking on water type of thing.

1107
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: But they'll they'll follow from the the food source the

1108
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: angle of the fence. They'll follow it down. They'll hit

1109
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: a tree line and the fence turns. They'll follow parallel

1110
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: to that fence, and they'll walk right down and they'll

1111
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: cross the fence that I'm sitting next to um with

1112
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: with an almost wrong wind, meaning they think they're walking

1113
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: into a headwind because they're going from basically north to

1114
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: south with a southwest wind, and they feel perfectly safe

1115
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: doing that because they can think they can smell everything.

1116
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: But I'm just and again they're going from north to

1117
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: south and my wind is going southwest to northeast. So

1118
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: it's almost wrong type of thing. But they can't bust

1119
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: me because my sense going over top of the water

1120
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: type of thing. So it's one of those you need

1121
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: to reason, hey, that's where you need to be type

1122
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: of thing in order to to you know. And most

1123
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: guys they don't. They won't walk up over the crest

1124
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,439
Speaker 1: like oh man, here here, the here, the stock pond here,

1125
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, and you put put

1126
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: it all together, and you know, old hedgerows, old dilapidated fences,

1127
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, the understory thicker here than there. Um, the

1128
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: betting area is up there and versus you know, um,

1129
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: everything all pieces of the puzzle that all come together

1130
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: and all make perfect common sense. As I said when

1131
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: a guy realizes these deer are actually uh, you know, surviving,

1132
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 1: I mean the the the uh their sense of smell

1133
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: is what basically is keeping them alive, etcetera. And and

1134
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 1: they how they use the terrain and the air currents

1135
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: to travel you know, from certain you know, one spot

1136
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: to the next is absolutely you know the secret in

1137
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: other words, that where you you can ambush them. And

1138
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: then you have to take in a consideration like the

1139
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: entrance egxit me before before we before we get to

1140
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: enter exit routs, because I definitely want to cover that.

1141
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: But I just want to uh double check on a

1142
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: few things here before we lose some folks on something

1143
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 1: just talked about there. Um that being you know, how

1144
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: two things. Number one, if I can, um, if I

1145
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: can kind of sum up a few things you said

1146
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: there and make sure I've got this right. Number one,

1147
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: it's really important to be looking at our hunting properties

1148
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: from a big pictures perspective and from a come a

1149
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: micro pattern. So from a big pictures perspective, understand how

1150
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: all these different large terrain features ponds, ridges, fence rows,

1151
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: how all these different things might move dear how funnel

1152
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: deer through a property. But at the same time, you've

1153
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: got to also get on the ground and look at

1154
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: the micro differences, so a slight edge or slight difference

1155
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: and cover within a piece of property, or a slight

1156
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: shelf on the side of a ridge. So I think

1157
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: a big takeaway. I think for people listening, they need

1158
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: to remember Scout and learn your property from the big

1159
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,839
Speaker 1: picture and from the small picture. And then that's perfect.

1160
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: And let me just interject this and I'll let you

1161
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: pick it up. I use the NL I'm big on analogies.

1162
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: I use the analogy of a doctor looking at an

1163
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: X ray versus a layman looking at an X ray.

1164
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: You can put an X ray up on a screen

1165
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: of a skeleton and take it to the average guy

1166
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: say you know, okay, here the average guy, I'll say, there,

1167
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: there's the head, there's the neck, there's the spine, there's

1168
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: the arms and all this stuff. Whereas you put that

1169
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: same X ray up and have a doctor look at it,

1170
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: he's looking for minute, minute changes, little anomalies, the things

1171
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: that you know fractures and and you know, calcium deposits

1172
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: and this relationships, little minute things. So that's what we

1173
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: as deer hunters are. Our trophy deer hunters need to do.

1174
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: You need to to when you say micro that's a

1175
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: good term. You need to really really inspect, stop, slow

1176
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,799
Speaker 1: down and think about what you're seeing. And by all means,

1177
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: when you discover something, share with your buddies, you know,

1178
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: and the kids and stuff, so they can go out

1179
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: and then they'll look at these patterns that you have

1180
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: just pointed out and give you even more input. Then

1181
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: where it's again it's not like you know again, it's

1182
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: like it's like a team type of thing. And I mean,

1183
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: I love to share this stuff, you know. I love

1184
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: to get the feedback after I'll teach somebody, you know,

1185
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: and I'll learn from the type of things anyway. And

1186
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. And um to to one

1187
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: of your points you talked about a little bit earlier,

1188
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned as we were talking through structure

1189
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: and how do you use terrain, something you kept on

1190
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: alluding to was not only the terrain that funnels deer movement,

1191
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: but then how they're using the wind in relation to

1192
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: that terrain. So you talked about how dear are going

1193
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,759
Speaker 1: to be traveling just off the crest of a ridge

1194
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: with the wind blowing to him in a certain way,

1195
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: or how bucks will bed so they can see down

1196
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: the hill, can smell behind them um, or how they'll

1197
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: use wind to check scrapes in the morning while they

1198
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 1: might actually visit that scrape in the evening. So you've

1199
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: mentioned a number of different examples where you're thinking about

1200
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: how deer are using the wind. But I also know

1201
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: that you also are really thinking about wind from a

1202
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 1: hunting perspective, especially when you're choosing how to hunt these

1203
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: different terrain features which funnel dear and I've read a

1204
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: little bit about how you've use some things in the offseason,

1205
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: like smoke bombs or something to to track all these

1206
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: different wind patterns. Can you go into detail for us

1207
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: on how you are thinking about wind when actually choosing

1208
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: a stand location, how you check the wind in those places,

1209
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: How do you know and figure out a how winds

1210
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: in an area and how they would be deer use it?

1211
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: Certain I mean the same thing. You need to think

1212
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: about this and when when people talk about wind currents,

1213
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: all right, everybody assumes or thinks that the windows say,

1214
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: you're up in the ladder, you know, fifteen ft and

1215
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: you you check the wind and they see the the

1216
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: air current go out and the gravity will start to

1217
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: pull it down to earth. Well that is a lot

1218
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: of the times, but a lot of the times it's

1219
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: the other way around, where it will go out and

1220
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: you'll have up drafts. You have to think of air

1221
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:28,839
Speaker 1: as like invisible water. And when I'm in the stand,

1222
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: all right, when I use what I use is that

1223
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: um polyester yarn. I buy it at fly fishing tackle shops.

1224
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: You can get it, you know, any of the major

1225
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: sporting gas storage and it's like, uh, it looks like

1226
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: cotton candy, but it comes in fluorescent and sharp truce

1227
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: and any kind of bright color, you know. But anyway,

1228
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't remember, you get like five

1229
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: feet of it for two three bucks or something. Right anyway,

1230
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: I cut it in length about six inches, and I

1231
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: keep it in my right front. I'm left, I mean,

1232
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm right handed to my bows and my left hand.

1233
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: But I'll keep it up in the upper corner just

1234
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: inside my front right pocket. I tuck it in there,

1235
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: all right. When I get in the stand, I'll pull

1236
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: it out and i'll take just you don't need very much,

1237
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: just a few filaments, and I'll pinch off some fiber

1238
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: polyester fiber filaments and I'll stick them to my shirt

1239
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: on my left sleeve. So I might have eight or

1240
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: ten or twelve little pieces of of yard this polyester

1241
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: yarn stuck to my sleeve, so that when I'm sitting

1242
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: there in the stand, I mean all the time, I

1243
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,480
Speaker 1: mean almost constantly, you know. And again I will obviously

1244
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: be careful and you're moving around, you know, make sure

1245
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 1: you can see for you, but I'm constantly checking the wind.

1246
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: I'll reach you over to my sleeve and I'll pull

1247
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: a couple of filaments off, and I'll watch it and

1248
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: it'll drift out and it's going up beautiful, or it's

1249
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: going it's going down, okay, you know, but it's going

1250
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: right towards that one dead snag over there. So I

1251
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: know the exact angle, et cetera, the velocity and exactly

1252
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: the way it's going and so forth. All right, that

1253
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 1: is very very important, so that you can know because

1254
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: you might have a buck a shooter come in from

1255
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: a different direct state, or maybe one following a dough

1256
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: in other words, and you have to wait, Okay, it's

1257
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: quartering to me, quartering to me, you know, and okay,

1258
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: right before the dough that he's following hits that your

1259
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: sent travel the air current. You know, okay, the air

1260
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: is going right towards that snag right before she hits that.

1261
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: Now is when you shoot him type of thing when

1262
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: you know, not you know, not letting them get quarter

1263
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: in a way, or if you'll bust in blow up

1264
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: the whole scene type of thing. But anyway you you

1265
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: can go to. In fact, I just bought a dozen

1266
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: of them a couple of weeks ago. I was at

1267
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: a a gun show in Iowa, and you know, they

1268
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: had some firework. You can get them in any fire

1269
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: or any uh, any place that sells fireworks and so forth,

1270
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: you know. But they come little colored ones and you know,

1271
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: the you know whatever, blue or yellow or red or whatever.

1272
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 1: But I'll take you know, the the smoke bombs and

1273
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: I'll put this is in the off season, by the way.

1274
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: I'll take you know, the smoke bombs and I'll lay

1275
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: them on the grill of the platform and I'll light

1276
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: them and then they'll and I always mentioned this because

1277
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: I've just some of them are really cheap and they

1278
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, they blow out smoke for five seconds and

1279
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: they're done. Whereas some of the good ones will blow

1280
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 1: out volume of smoke for you know whatever seconds type

1281
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,759
Speaker 1: of thingum. By the way, I think I've been told

1282
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: you can get them in the Granger Catalog industrial supply

1283
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: to those smoke you know, detector type of smoke where

1284
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,520
Speaker 1: they're white smoke. But they'll they'll go off for for

1285
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: for a long period of time and you'll be able

1286
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: to visually see, you know, how the smoke is going

1287
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: around certain trees. If the for example, if you're in

1288
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: hardwoods and there's a single theater juniper whatever right there,

1289
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: and it hits it's going towards that tree, Does it

1290
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: go around it to go up over it? Does it

1291
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: go through it? That that type of thing, or you

1292
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,879
Speaker 1: can see um where there's hill like especially in valleys

1293
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: and ah, you know, I remember one scenario there. I

1294
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: was in a valley and I thought it was wide enough.

1295
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: It was probably I mean the bottom of the two

1296
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: ridges it was. It was over a hundred yards wide

1297
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,879
Speaker 1: at the bottom, and it was a quek drainage. Well,

1298
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: when I was on the one side, I had a

1299
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: perfect wind right in my face and I had deer

1300
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: on the other side, I mean snort their brains out,

1301
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: you know, And I thought it was a trespasser over there,

1302
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, and what they're supposed to be anybody over

1303
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: there anyway, So I ended up later, you know, lighting

1304
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: a smoke bomb there and then the same wind direction

1305
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 1: if the wind was right in my face and it

1306
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: would go behind me and do a big you go

1307
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: up over my head and go straight across the valley

1308
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: and you know, and start running up the ridge on

1309
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: the other side type of thing. You know. So, um,

1310
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 1: I need a sip of water here anyway, it would,

1311
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: it would. That's what the deer were snorting at. Even

1312
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: though the wind was indicative that I had it in

1313
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: my advantage, it was you could I couldn't see what

1314
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: it was doing without using the smoke and detect that

1315
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,799
Speaker 1: and so forth. So again that's just you know, another

1316
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 1: little trick that you can use and study it and stuff.

1317
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of this stuff relates back to

1318
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: again common sense or physics or whatever you want to

1319
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: call it. You know that the you know gravity, like

1320
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: we're talking to gravity. Oh there's another one, the like creek.

1321
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: But when I go into an area I just said,

1322
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: like a flat valley between two ridges type of thing,

1323
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: and say, I've never been in that area. Before I'm

1324
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: just going into scott it. The first thing I normally

1325
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: do is I'll go down and I'll walk because there's

1326
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,839
Speaker 1: a ridge on both sides, um, I'll walk the valley

1327
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: between them, which will have a drainage in it. And

1328
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: that drainage, you know, it might have water in it, it

1329
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: it might not have water in it, but because there

1330
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: is a drainage there, and the whole area could be

1331
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: big timber, but because there is a drainage there, you'll

1332
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: usually because of sedimentation rates and more moisture, you'll see bigger, older,

1333
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: more mature oaks right along the edge of that drainage,

1334
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: whether it's water in it or not. Okay, this time,

1335
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: like right now, this time of year, when the acorns

1336
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: are dropping, those big mature oaks are dropping, and say

1337
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: the trees right on the lip between the creek bottom

1338
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: and the shelf above the creek. Okay, half of the

1339
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: acorns will drop on the shelf it's horizontal and lay

1340
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: right there, and half of them will drop into the

1341
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: creek on the downward slope gradually going down to the creek.

1342
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: All right, then you get a heavy rain, a gully washer,

1343
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 1: will you know, we'll get two inches of rain. The

1344
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: water will rip down that drainage and two days later

1345
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: it's dry again. Okay, But what it does it removes

1346
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: a lot of the dead leaves and the twigs and

1347
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and it's just there. You've got that

1348
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: dry creek bed either pebbles or sand, and it'll be

1349
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: a virtual smoorgus board. You know. The acorns will all

1350
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,719
Speaker 1: be washed down a little, there'll be in little pockets

1351
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 1: here they'll be laying in. It's like a food trough

1352
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: type of thing. So what do you think about the

1353
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: logistics of it? What a deer will have a much

1354
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,440
Speaker 1: easier time picking acorns up out of a dry creek bed,

1355
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, where they're exupposed, and they don't have to

1356
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,839
Speaker 1: scrounge form versus having to scrounge around in six inches

1357
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,560
Speaker 1: of dry corn flakes. And finally, well there's one you

1358
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: know that type of thing, you know. So, as I said,

1359
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff is nothing but common sense

1360
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:32,520
Speaker 1: and thinking about what you're seeing and so forth. Um

1361
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: so so real quickly bad. Before you bounce them to

1362
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: the next topic, I want to jump in here, Dan.

1363
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: I know you you had a couple of things you

1364
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: want to try to clarify with with Barry. Maybe yeah, um,

1365
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: when you're when you approach a new property, or let's

1366
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: say it's it's a it's the first time you're going

1367
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: in to either hunt it or scout it. Do you

1368
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: have a terrain feature that you're kind of drawn to

1369
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: as maybe a favorite location to hunt out of? Where

1370
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: do you start? Yeah? Well, again, pretty much what I

1371
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: just said in other words, that terrain feature. I'll go

1372
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: to the creek bottoms and I'll walk those creek bottoms

1373
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: looking knowing that that deer are going to be traveling

1374
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: from the ridge on say the creek runs north south

1375
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: and you've got a bridge on the east side and

1376
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: a bridge on the west side type of thing. Deer

1377
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: gonna be going back and forth from the east ridge

1378
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: of the west ridge and etcetera. But if you walk

1379
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: in that dry creek area for I don't know, you know,

1380
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 1: five d six hundred yards, you'll depending on the density

1381
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 1: and where it is, etcetera, but you'll find areas where

1382
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 1: there's because of the land of the terrain structure, there

1383
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: will be certain spots that it's easier major crossings and

1384
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: stuff were the deer will go across the creek there,

1385
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: all right, So I'll then I'll find those three or

1386
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: four spots, all right, mark them off. Then I'll go

1387
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: and I'll take each one of those and go up

1388
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: on the ridge on either side, all right, or both sides,

1389
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: I should say, you know, so that you're following up,

1390
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: et cetera. And then when you get up there, you

1391
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 1: normally you'll find it's not perfectly at a forty five,

1392
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 1: meaning you know, it'll go up and there'll be a shelf,

1393
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: and then it'll go up again it'll be another shelf,

1394
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 1: and erosion has caused that, and so forth. And then

1395
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: you'll you'll also notice tributaries where you'll you'll get little

1396
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: there's no water in them, or gets that are on

1397
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: the side of the hill and or probably won't be

1398
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: any water unless there's a spring there. But there'll there'll

1399
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: be a little dry wash going down to the creek

1400
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: bottom and stuff. You follow those dry washers at the

1401
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: top and you'll get up there. I don't know what

1402
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: three orders it away or whatever, and all of a

1403
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: sudden they'll be what I refer to as a header,

1404
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 1: meaning deer that are going north and south parallel to

1405
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: the creek bottom will go where the tributary comes out

1406
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,560
Speaker 1: of the side of the hill, it'll start washing erosion

1407
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: will start washing it away. And but above it, just

1408
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, a little matter of a few yards, they'll

1409
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: be uh it's not washed out as much. It'll be

1410
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: a flat spot where they can go around the head.

1411
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: That's why I call it a header, where they go

1412
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: around the head of that tributary and stuff. All right,

1413
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: then you piece that together with the top of the ridge.

1414
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: As I said, when you're thinking of the predominant wind

1415
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: direction and so forth, you you compare that with how

1416
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: the deer are moving according to the land structure versus

1417
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: the the wind patterns and so forth. Let me say

1418
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,560
Speaker 1: this too before I forge get this, this is really important. Um.

1419
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: You know, I I keep as I said, I try

1420
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: to keep records. I got. I go to the weather.

1421
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: The computer is great for I mean in some reasons,

1422
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: it's terrible for other reasons and so far forth. But

1423
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: at any rate, what I'm getting at is you can

1424
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: go go to a weather uh site that has not

1425
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: only your local predictions, but make sure they have the

1426
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: hourly predictions. All right. Now, if and I hunt, you

1427
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: know areas that I have stands in place. All right,

1428
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 1: if I go, when I go into an area, um

1429
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: and basically just saturate that area, check it out everything

1430
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: you possibly. Okay, say say you go. It's a huge here,

1431
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: it's five hundred acres and you've got twenty stands in there,

1432
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,839
Speaker 1: all right. I mean if you don't have the stand.

1433
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: I realized everybody that twenty stands, but you might have

1434
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: the area's primed prepped so that you can go in

1435
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: and it might not be a stand there right now,

1436
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: but you can hang one in there quietly because it's

1437
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 1: all already trimmed out in the steps are there and

1438
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: everything in or just uh, you know it's ready for you.

1439
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: But anyway, my ide is, UM, I list all my stands,

1440
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: either name them or number them or whatever. All right.

1441
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 1: Then every season I have my sheets, my lists, and

1442
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: I'll have eight I'll have a morning list and an

1443
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: evening list, and then I have eight different wind directions

1444
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: north southeast, west, northeast, southwest, you know, all the eight

1445
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 1: major wind directions for the morning and the other eight

1446
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: win directions for the evening. Then I go through all

1447
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 1: my stands and I name my stands, and I'll go

1448
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:05,879
Speaker 1: to that stand and I'll list, I'll check off the

1449
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 1: the uh wind directions that stand is huntable on, all right.

1450
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Then I also circle the one that that's the premium

1451
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 1: optimum wind direction. Okay, So I'll go to that stand

1452
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: and I'll go to go to stand, go to the

1453
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: computer in the morning, and I'll look at the computer

1454
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 1: and it'll say, Okay, you've got a southwest wind you know,

1455
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: uh this morning, and at one o'clock it's going to

1456
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: turn to the west, and at two o'clock it's going

1457
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: to turn to the northwest. And by three it's coming

1458
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: out of the north. So if you're sitting, you can

1459
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: plan your hunt and hunt your plan. So I go

1460
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: to my charts and I'll look down, okay, for a

1461
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 1: southwest wind. Here I got these these stands that are

1462
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 1: perfect for southwest wind, all right. But then knowing that

1463
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 1: the southwest wind by two o'clock or whatever I said,

1464
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna switch to it to the north. Here's the

1465
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 1: the the north the list of the north winds on

1466
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: the chart that I can hunt, you know, for the

1467
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: evening hunt and stuff. And then I will plan. I'll

1468
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 1: look at those whatever you know, half dozen or whatever

1469
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: it may be potential good stands, and I'll say to myself, Okay,

1470
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 1: let me think, uh, um, I haven't. I haven't sat

1471
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: this one for over a week. And you know my neighbor,

1472
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: you know, my buddy or my neighbor, you know, he

1473
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: sat that one the day before yesterday. Okay, this one.

1474
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: We haven't sat this one for you know, two weeks.

1475
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,440
Speaker 1: I'll go there in the morning and in the afternoon.

1476
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there was a big buck that you know,

1477
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Mailman's told me, so you know, you know whatever, and

1478
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to that one for this afternoon. That way,

1479
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: you plan your hunting and hunt your plan so that

1480
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: you're not you know, and as I said, you're you're

1481
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: not just guessing. Um, yes, once in a while there.

1482
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: Let me say this too. When I lived in Montana,

1483
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 1: I lived west of the Continental Divide, and it was terrible.

1484
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: I mean, they mean no offense to the guys out there,

1485
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: but they had a hard time because the half of

1486
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: the weather came out of the Pacific Northwest and half

1487
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: of it came out of the down out of the

1488
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: Canadian Rockies, and you know, it'd hit the Continental Divide,

1489
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: and it was it was always going all different directions.

1490
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: He couldn't depend on it, whereas in the Midwest they

1491
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 1: are excellent, I mean absolutely outstanding, where you know they'll say, oh,

1492
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: the wind is gonna change at nine o'clock in the

1493
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: morning and as sure as anything, oh two, its shifts,

1494
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, how do they know that stuff?

1495
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,799
Speaker 1: You know? But anyway, like I said, planning and stuff,

1496
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: I got it carried away again. No, no, you're good.

1497
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out where I want to go

1498
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,719
Speaker 1: from here though, because because we've covered such a wide

1499
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 1: breath of topics. But I think let's let's do this.

1500
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: You mentioned, you mentioned, um, we covered everything from terrain

1501
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: to then wind to then how do we start you know,

1502
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 1: where do you start your scouting process when you're looking

1503
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 1: at wind? Um? So we've talked kind of a lot

1504
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: about different stands sites. Really what it came down to

1505
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 1: is how to look for those stands sites and the

1506
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: things to consider when you're in a stand site. But

1507
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 1: tell me this, um, how does all this, if it

1508
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 1: all change from you know, as you move through October

1509
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 1: into November and then into the late season, does this

1510
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: at all change or are there any specific other things

1511
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: that you're looking at? As we've moved through the season.

1512
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And you know the same thing I try to. Uh,

1513
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: this is some fanatical about this. So I mean, I've

1514
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 1: got I've got multiple stands where I hunt, and some

1515
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: of them I won't. I've got stands that I haven't.

1516
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: I haven't sat for three years. And the reason I

1517
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 1: haven't sat him it wasn't really right that they're only

1518
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: set up for certain specific reasoning. In other words, I

1519
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: got stands at our morning stands, stands at our afternoon stands,

1520
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: stands that that are observe anian stands, stands that when

1521
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 1: there's foliage on the trees, stands in late season when

1522
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 1: it's bear trees, you know, stands that are that are again, uh,

1523
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: where you know there's any any kind of variation you know,

1524
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 1: movement patterns or when the acorns are out and then

1525
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: they you know, or out when they're dropping versus not,

1526
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: et cetera. So I like to have many, many options.

1527
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: And guys laugh about you know how many stands I

1528
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: have out, But that's that's why I do it. And U,

1529
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, Um, one of the secrets is

1530
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: the entrance exit. You know, if I mentioned earlier, hunting

1531
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: undisturbed deer um. And I'll use this as another example.

1532
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have ever hunted bear before,

1533
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: but if you've ever hunted bear over a bear bait,

1534
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: when you get multiple bear coming into a bear bait,

1535
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: because of the dominance subordinate type of you know, they

1536
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 1: they'll they'll multiple bear will actually sneak into the bait,

1537
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 1: and they use where they place their pads approaching the bait.

1538
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: They'll have specifically right foot, left foot, right, they'll have

1539
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 1: pad marks, you know, were they'll place their pad in

1540
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: order to sneak in to the to the bait and

1541
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: not get into a confrontation with the bad boy, you know.

1542
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 1: But anyway, my point is I do the same thing

1543
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: with my my stand sites, not all of them. But

1544
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: for example, if if I'm on a ridge, all right,

1545
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 1: that um near the top of the ridge, and then

1546
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: there's a valley across from me, and then another ridge

1547
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: on the other side. All right, and say you're looking south,

1548
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 1: so the predominant wind direction. Knowing that the wind is

1549
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 1: coming from the south, all right, I'll come in from

1550
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: the north. Okay. When I come in from the north,

1551
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 1: all right, I keep down over the crest of the hill.

1552
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 1: So I'm out of sight and out of mind and

1553
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 1: have the wind to my advantage. But in order to

1554
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 1: get into the stand, I gotta come up over top

1555
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: of the crest of the hill and any bucks served

1556
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 1: deer for that matter, that are bedded a hundred and

1557
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: fifty yards away across the valley up on that other ridge.

1558
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 1: And this is like an afternoon situation where it's already

1559
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: light out obviously, but that you know. Other words, they're

1560
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: laying there with the south southwest wind at they're backs

1561
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: looking my direction, and if I have to walk thirty

1562
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 1: yards in six inches of corn flakes, they're gonna sit

1563
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: hear me and then see me, you know, and they'll

1564
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 1: blow out of the air and the tails flagging, and

1565
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 1: they'll come totally disturbed the area type of thing. So

1566
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: I go in and normally and I wait till after

1567
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: and I do it on a day, or try to

1568
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: do it on days where it's poor hunting type of thing,

1569
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 1: meaning it might be real windy or rainy or whatever.

1570
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: But I and I used to I started using a rake,

1571
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: but it's it's a lot better to use I use

1572
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: the hoe rather than a rap because the leaves don't

1573
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: get stuck in the teeth of the rake or and

1574
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 1: the and the teeth of the hoe type of thing.

1575
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: But I'll go in from over the crest and for that,

1576
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 1: and I only do it for you know, like depending

1577
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: on where the stands fifty yards. I hardly ever do

1578
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: it more than maybe fifty yards. But I'll come over

1579
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 1: the crest and I'll rake bare spots right down to

1580
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 1: the earth so it's dirt, you know, right foot, left foot,

1581
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: right foot, left foot, you know, all the way into

1582
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 1: the ladder, and then you know, shinny up or climb

1583
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: up into the stand and stuff, so that way you're

1584
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 1: putting your foot on dirt rather then in six inches

1585
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 1: of leaves. And I have absolutely done that, you know,

1586
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 1: multiple times. Where I do that. I'd climb into the stand,

1587
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:13,959
Speaker 1: haul up my my bow, and I'm sitting there fifteen

1588
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 1: minutes later, and I'll see on ear flick and I'll

1589
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: look over and there's a big buck bedded there, you know,

1590
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 1: and there's absolutely no way I would have got in there,

1591
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 1: you know, without raking out those spots out in other ways,

1592
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: the secret entrance and exit type of thing, you know.

1593
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,719
Speaker 1: And as I said that, there's little things like that

1594
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: that I cost that. I thought everybody did that, you know,

1595
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 1: but apparently not. You know. I mean I tell guys

1596
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: about it, and you know there's a big you know,

1597
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 1: run on host on it, you know, an art I've

1598
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 1: heard you. I've heard you refer to this kind of

1599
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 1: level of attention to You've referred to as detailing a

1600
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 1: stand site. Sounds like you you have to go through

1601
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 1: a number of, you look, a number of small tweaks

1602
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,799
Speaker 1: or small details when you're setting up a specific spot.

1603
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Could you could you explain for us some of the

1604
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 1: other things that you think about or do when you're

1605
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 1: detailing a specific stands. I'm gonna do better than that eventually.

1606
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 1: Um I, as I said, you know, I run these

1607
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: boot camps, you know, and I'm I think I wasn't

1608
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: gonna do anymore, you know, but I think I'm gonna

1609
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 1: do to this next year type of thing, which I

1610
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 1: close them down at fifteen guys, so I'm only going

1611
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: to take a total of thirty guys. But my my

1612
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 1: point is that that's very advantageous. But um I'm getting up,

1613
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, in years, and they're physically demanding on me.

1614
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 1: So and I'm by the way, I don't even know

1615
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,839
Speaker 1: if you guys know about this or not. But I'm

1616
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 1: just finishing up um a tremendous video that um not.

1617
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm supposedly the guy that shot the first

1618
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 1: two deer on production video with the with the Bow,

1619
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: you know, and I probably why, you know, in the

1620
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties, but you know now there's tens of

1621
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: thousands of them out there. But anyway, my point is

1622
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 1: what a lot of guys don't know is I used

1623
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:12,799
Speaker 1: to film my my own personal hunts since high school.

1624
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,799
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know Class of sixty two rules,

1625
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I've got, I've got. I had

1626
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: had over seven hundred hours of footage now I lost

1627
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: And they think about that a forty hour work week.

1628
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,719
Speaker 1: You're talking watching for four you know, nine to five

1629
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 1: every day for four and five months or whatever it is.

1630
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 1: But anyway, my point is, I got it all edited

1631
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 1: down to eight hours, and now I'm editing them down.

1632
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 1: So I've got literally over fifty years of footage that

1633
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 1: I'm bringing out, and it's gonna be like a book form,

1634
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, where I have you know, different chapters and stuff,

1635
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be chapters on you know, like passed

1636
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 1: up bucks and walk ups and actual kills, educational techniques

1637
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: and rare footage, and in fact, I got I got footage.

1638
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 1: Guys are going to croak on this one, but it's

1639
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 1: it's absolutely a world record typical wild typical, I tell

1640
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 1: um and and again it's I've showed the footage to

1641
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: a dozen official measures, and everybody thinks he's you know,

1642
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 1: it takes a heck of a buck to measure, you know,

1643
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 1: two inches typical this one. Everybody, everybody agrees that over

1644
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 1: two twenty so typical. Anyway, I got a nostalgic footage

1645
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 1: from the sixties and seventies, and the chapters on bear

1646
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: hunting and bow fishing and hogs and havilina, and I

1647
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: did one real short chapter on missus. But anyway, I'm

1648
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 1: bringing that out right and it's like done now, and uh,

1649
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 1: it's going to be called the Crooked Hat Chronicles, which

1650
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: is because I were hat crooked all the time for

1651
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 1: many years. But anyway, my point is that um, in relation,

1652
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 1: everybody is hungry for the touning techniques and strategy and

1653
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I decided there's a lot of

1654
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 1: this stuff I need to put on film or need.

1655
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 1: And again it's it's not as good as being there,

1656
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 1: but at least it will get guys thinking. And I'll go,

1657
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'll go into an area and just like

1658
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 1: you said, and how do you how do you detail it?

1659
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:28,599
Speaker 1: And so forth, and you know, I'll explain, all right,

1660
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:33,679
Speaker 1: this is why I picked this area, and this tree

1661
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 1: might not look as good as this one, but this

1662
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: one is going to be a better, uh strategic tree

1663
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 1: to use. I would rather have a decent tree and

1664
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: a great spot than a great tree and a decent

1665
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 1: spot type of thing. So I'll pick and I'll say, okay,

1666
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: this is the tree I've decided on, and this i'm

1667
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: a I'm a I prefer my shots, you know. I'm

1668
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm a better shot out at fifteen yards and then

1669
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 1: I am at five yards. So how I manipulate the

1670
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: surrounding area. I'll go through and I'll first I'll use

1671
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: my pruners, and then I use one of those like

1672
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 1: weed whacker things. It looks like a golf club, except

1673
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 1: it's got a serrated blade on it, and I'll clear

1674
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 1: the understory out there, you know, and then I'll rake

1675
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 1: it out and create a visual so that that you

1676
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 1: know that the deer can see that's where. And then

1677
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:33,759
Speaker 1: I will drop trees at certain angles. And I'm talking

1678
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:38,640
Speaker 1: obviously this is you know, um, I get permission. This

1679
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 1: is in private property where you got to me. You

1680
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 1: just don't do all this stuff without getting permission or anything.

1681
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 1: But my point is I'll drop trees at certain angles

1682
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 1: that will nudge a deer and the canopy, the top

1683
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: of the tree has to go at a certain angle

1684
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 1: so that the deer gets a visual as it's coming

1685
01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: along the trail, and it'll shift from twenty five yards

1686
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,679
Speaker 1: to fifteen, so your shot is going to be fifteen

1687
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: yards away. And then I'll uh, you know, film the approach, entrance,

1688
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:14,759
Speaker 1: exit and detailing. Uh you know how to to add

1689
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: be if there's not enough cover there, I use I

1690
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:21,719
Speaker 1: use artificial Christmas trees. Um, I use you know. Bring again,

1691
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: you can cut trees that are close to your stand

1692
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 1: and hinge cut them and drop them to close you

1693
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: in and so forth and again explain everything how I

1694
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 1: do it and why I do it, so that you

1695
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 1: can you can enter the stand with the most advantageous

1696
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 1: wind direction silently and then wait wait until it's prime.

1697
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 1: Until that is like right now, I'm I'm in Maine. Um.

1698
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:57,080
Speaker 1: And the reason I'm in Maine, that's the first time

1699
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 1: I've been back here for I don't know, in the

1700
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: fall fold for forty years or something. I can't even

1701
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 1: remember the last time. But I had some medical tests

1702
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 1: I had to do and so forth, and which I

1703
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: had four tests. I passed them all without even studying anyway.

1704
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 1: I had the I had the tests, and everything was cool.

1705
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 1: But I thought, I want The main reason I decided,

1706
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:21,960
Speaker 1: which you know, to come it was I it would

1707
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 1: be less tempting for me to you know, go into

1708
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 1: some of my areas, and I'll try to keep out

1709
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 1: of my prime areas until everything is prime, which is

1710
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 1: usually you know, the third week in October. And then

1711
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: about the the of October UM, you'll have some you know,

1712
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 1: cooler weather and maybe some frosts and again depending on

1713
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:48,599
Speaker 1: where you are in the country and so forth, and

1714
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 1: and the deer will start to move better. And and

1715
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 1: in other words, I'm of the belief that if if

1716
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 1: you hunt an area for the entire month of October,

1717
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 1: um uh, you know, which is tough for me, not

1718
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 1: too because I love the hunting aspect of it, but

1719
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 1: I'll go someplace else and you know, check out new

1720
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 1: areas or you know, keep my prime areas you know,

1721
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: until everything is prime and and and you know, you'll

1722
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 1: you'll see because they're undisturbed, you'll see you know, a

1723
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: lot more um activity with mature you're dealing with you know, older,

1724
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 1: but you're animals and um, they're not going to tolerate that,

1725
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 1: uh disturbance time after time after time, during during before

1726
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: things get prime and stuff. I mean, you'll you'll bump

1727
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 1: them out of Are you mentioned the smart hunting? Yeah, yeah,

1728
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: you mentioned. You mentioned that you're paying attention to the

1729
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 1: dates of the calendar as far as when you're gonna

1730
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:54,639
Speaker 1: start moving into your better places. So you said later

1731
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: October you'll start going into it, which which sounds you know,

1732
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 1: very similar to what to what we're doing. As well.

1733
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 1: You mentioned you sometimes they're looking for those cold fronts. Um,

1734
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: But are there any other factors that trigger for you that, hey,

1735
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 1: there should be increased deer movement, I'm going to move

1736
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 1: into my good stuff. I mean, there's a lot of

1737
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:12,719
Speaker 1: guys that talk about bare metric pressure or the moon

1738
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 1: or different things on those lines. Do you pay attention

1739
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: to anything yeah, um, but it's it's to me, I've

1740
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:25,800
Speaker 1: always been a believer, and you know, in the moon

1741
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 1: et cetera. I mean it's obvious. I mean it affects

1742
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 1: the tides and and you know, crime rates full moons.

1743
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 1: You know, the cops and are always complaining that that's

1744
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, that high crime rates and so that there's

1745
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 1: there's obviously a science behind it. But my philosophy used

1746
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: to be that I didn't want to, um, go by

1747
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 1: the primo times. In other words, if you if if

1748
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 1: I went to bed at night and I look at

1749
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 1: the moon faces and charts and stuff for tomorrow, and

1750
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 1: I said, oh, it doesn't it doesn't get prime till

1751
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 1: nine thirty in the morning, Well I could just sleep

1752
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: in tomorrow. I think I'll just sleep in, you know,

1753
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: and getting the stand at a thirty or whatever. And no, no, no,

1754
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean again, I want to I want

1755
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 1: to be out there as much as I possibly can

1756
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 1: without disturbing the area and as long as everything is fine,

1757
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: you know. In other words, if a big buck walks by,

1758
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't supposed to come by to you know, to

1759
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 1: prime time with nine thirty. But it's you know, it's

1760
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 1: it's eight fifteen, and there he is, you know, you know, um,

1761
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, But what I'm getting at is, I used

1762
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:44,679
Speaker 1: the philosophy is of of um, you know, hunting as

1763
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:48,519
Speaker 1: much as puts in many hours as possible, you know,

1764
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 1: into the prime situation. But anyway, Um, this last year

1765
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 1: I met Adam Hayes, who is uh, you know, a

1766
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 1: great guy, and we became friends and and he is uh,

1767
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 1: he makes cells or whatever those basis his entire uh

1768
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 1: success on what he refers to as the red moon

1769
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 1: on the moon page. And he's not he I don't know,

1770
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 1: you're probably familiar with him, but you can google up.

1771
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:21,760
Speaker 1: It's a moon guide. But anyway, um, and the man

1772
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 1: has killed ten boone and Crockett Bocks, you know, with

1773
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 1: the bow, and that's his main you know, mode of

1774
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: of hunting is within the position of the mood, not

1775
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 1: necessarily not necessarily the moon face. And again he's pretty

1776
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 1: much convinced me that there's and I knew there was

1777
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: something going on there, but as I said, it's I'm

1778
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 1: looking forward to trying that this year. I'm just going

1779
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: to keep um whatever I want to say, notes or

1780
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 1: keep records on on you know what I'm seeing at

1781
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 1: the times I'm supposed to be seeing it and stuff

1782
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 1: like that. But as I said, I just don't want

1783
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 1: to become dependent on only hunting um when you know

1784
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be prime I hunt. In fact, it's

1785
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: pretty embarrassing how much I hunt. UM. In fact, the

1786
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 1: state Iowa, I don't know, Um, did they ever send

1787
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 1: you guys? Did that? Uh? There was a trappers association

1788
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: where you're supposed to list how many hours you're in

1789
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 1: a tree stand and how many buckstoes, fawns, you know,

1790
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 1: coons and skunks and possums, everything is saw you know.

1791
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:35,720
Speaker 1: And anyway, they sent that to me for I don't know,

1792
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 1: five or six years, and I kept, you know, great

1793
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 1: records on it and stuff. But at the end of

1794
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 1: the season, I don't know if they might not have

1795
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 1: even believed me. But anyway, I I average over three

1796
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 1: hundred hours in a tree stand, you know, I mean

1797
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:56,559
Speaker 1: just and that again I don't gun hunt. UM. This

1798
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:01,599
Speaker 1: this is this. This was just between October one and

1799
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 1: like December one, you know, so basically two months, you know,

1800
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 1: I I averaged over three hours in a tree standing,

1801
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, in October and November. So that tells you something.

1802
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: You know, I must have been a very helpful citizen

1803
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: scientist for them. Yeah right, So yeah, anyway, I want

1804
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 1: to change up the flow of this just one second here.

1805
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:29,479
Speaker 1: You've kind of hunted all over the place. Do you

1806
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:33,679
Speaker 1: have a favorite state or favorite area of a state

1807
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 1: that you that you always, I guess not necessarily go

1808
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,679
Speaker 1: back to, but maybe go back to in your mind

1809
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 1: and say, hey, man, I really loved hunting there. Uh yeah,

1810
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 1: But as I said earlier, everything's in the timing right now.

1811
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:55,479
Speaker 1: I mean I live in you know, if where I

1812
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:59,200
Speaker 1: want to be more than anywhere. I mean, I absolutely

1813
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:01,840
Speaker 1: and that's why I live their type of thing. But

1814
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean I could look back at the old days

1815
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 1: and it's not always just about the hunting. It's a

1816
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: lot of times it's the camaraderie and you know, the

1817
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: camp or the you know, the situation or I mean

1818
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 1: there's things like that that. Uh Like when I lived

1819
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:25,200
Speaker 1: in Montana, I used to in the late season, um

1820
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:29,639
Speaker 1: in Monton with January. Basically, I don't know, it's for years.

1821
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean I remember ten twelve years in a row.

1822
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 1: I used to go to Alabama, or I mean one

1823
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:43,559
Speaker 1: year I hunted Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia. Um, I can't remember.

1824
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:45,200
Speaker 1: It seemed like it was four or five of them.

1825
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 1: But anyway, my point is when I go down in

1826
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 1: the South and hunt, there was the Palmdez and you know,

1827
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean Spanish moss. It was totally yeah, it was

1828
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 1: white tails, but it was totally different, you know, and

1829
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:05,440
Speaker 1: Texas or you know, versus versus Montana versus the Midwest

1830
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 1: and stuff. Each one had something that was different. And

1831
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the diversity and the terrain and stuff

1832
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 1: like that. And yeah, you're probably not going to shoot

1833
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 1: as big a buck in Alabama as you're gonna shoot

1834
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 1: maybe in Montana. But in the same respect, it was

1835
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, it was a lot of fun, especially and

1836
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 1: if you you know, if you had friends and you know,

1837
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:36,560
Speaker 1: two or three buddies would fly in and you know, let's, uh,

1838
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:39,479
Speaker 1: you know, let's go here for a week and and

1839
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 1: plus the peak of the rutting and in the South

1840
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:46,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the the like in Texas in December

1841
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:51,880
Speaker 1: and Alabama it was the third week in January. I mean,

1842
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, I mean they were running around crazy. And

1843
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 1: the book you know, I mean books, you know, chasing

1844
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 1: does and grunting and make and scrapes, and I mean

1845
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 1: the Topeka, the Rutten. It's a third week in January

1846
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 1: type of thing, you know. But anyway, as I said, um,

1847
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 1: as far as favorite places, there are a few places

1848
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:15,559
Speaker 1: that used to be good but aren't anymore. Um. And

1849
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 1: there's other places that you know, are still good, but

1850
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 1: they've changed. I mean, it blows me away how much

1851
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm seventy three now, and you know, I go back

1852
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:30,240
Speaker 1: to places that I hunted when I was a kid,

1853
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:33,639
Speaker 1: I mean a teenager type of thing, and it I mean,

1854
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:38,040
Speaker 1: there's one place when we were lived back in Vermont,

1855
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:41,320
Speaker 1: we had a farm in upper New York State that

1856
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:43,519
Speaker 1: we used to go to all the time. And I

1857
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 1: went back there a few years ago, and this was

1858
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 1: a cultivated alfalfa field where the farmer used to you know,

1859
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 1: cut the alfalfa and would buck the bails and throw

1860
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 1: them up on the wagon and all this stuff. And

1861
01:51:56,479 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 1: now that alfalfa field they let the farmer died and

1862
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, um and let it go back. I mean,

1863
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:07,720
Speaker 1: and it hasn't been cultivated alfalfa for I don't even know,

1864
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 1: I mean sixty years, you know, and it's timber. I mean,

1865
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 1: it's absolute. What used to be a field is now timber,

1866
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 1: you know type of thing. And as I said, it

1867
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 1: just it's unbelievable. My biggest buck I killed in in

1868
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:27,559
Speaker 1: uh Montana in nineteen seventy six, and there used to

1869
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:29,519
Speaker 1: be a logging road there. I was just talking to

1870
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:31,519
Speaker 1: somebody about this the other day. There used to be

1871
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,519
Speaker 1: a logging road there. And I was actually jogging, actually

1872
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 1: how long ago. I don't jog that much anymore, but jog.

1873
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 1: I was running down this this skid road, you know,

1874
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 1: and I ran right into the buck. And he was

1875
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: standing and a it was a recently planted clear cut

1876
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:51,519
Speaker 1: with little you know, the little soft woods that they

1877
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 1: planted were probably two three ft tall, you know. And

1878
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 1: I saw him and I stopped and I backed right

1879
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 1: out and I went back and eventually I killed him

1880
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,120
Speaker 1: and stuff. But anyway, a couple of years ago I

1881
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 1: went back there and hear what happened. Well, two couples

1882
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 1: of things the road that I was running in are on.

1883
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:13,800
Speaker 1: They pulled put they dropped that broad out dose or

1884
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 1: in or something put giant boulder, I mean bouldered aside

1885
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 1: of the volkswagon set it in the middle of the

1886
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:23,160
Speaker 1: road and then so nobody could get through there. And

1887
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:25,960
Speaker 1: then the trees that were two and three feet tall

1888
01:53:26,479 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 1: are now fifty sixty feet tall, and the road completely regenerated,

1889
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:35,599
Speaker 1: and you know, chaplings the roads not even there anymore,

1890
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: you know. So I went in. I thought I was

1891
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 1: just going to go into the tree I killed that

1892
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:42,040
Speaker 1: book out of and you know, and you know, for

1893
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:46,719
Speaker 1: sentimental you know, just for just to see it again

1894
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: type of thing, and I couldn't even find it. I

1895
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: mean it was you know, I mean it had changed

1896
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 1: so drastically type of things. So as I said, yeah,

1897
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of things that like that

1898
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:00,599
Speaker 1: that that you know, you would like to go back,

1899
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 1: but unfortunately you're going. But that's why I tell guys,

1900
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, they need to. Um. I used to keep logs,

1901
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, I write everything down and you know, like

1902
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 1: a diary type of thing, and they were great. But

1903
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: I I did that for decades and I lost one

1904
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:21,120
Speaker 1: in a flood and one on a fire. And anyway,

1905
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 1: one my point is, um that nowadays, with the technology,

1906
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean, what I wouldn't love, you know, to have

1907
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean I would love to have videos or you know,

1908
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 1: films or whatever of my dad sitting down telling me stories,

1909
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:43,600
Speaker 1: or or even better, okay, here's that bear I shot

1910
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 1: in New York in nineteen fifty three, you know, or

1911
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 1: whatever type of thing. So again for our families, for posterity,

1912
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean, record some of his stuff at the end

1913
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:57,640
Speaker 1: of the season, you know, sit down and set up

1914
01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:00,120
Speaker 1: a camera and it. Yeah, it feels funny. Talk to

1915
01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:03,280
Speaker 1: yourself and think about how much your family is gonna

1916
01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 1: appreciate and enjoy this. It's like this footage I'm putting together,

1917
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, from it's over fifty years of footage and

1918
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:15,320
Speaker 1: so forth, and a lot of it's poor quality compared

1919
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 1: to the great stuff that they make these days. But

1920
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't meant for production. But it's still neat to look,

1921
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:26,600
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I got, you know, um footage

1922
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:28,440
Speaker 1: of me when I had a full head of hair

1923
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 1: and with a hundred pounds you know, and that's awesome. Anyway,

1924
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 1: it's it's gad. I was just gonna say, um, speaking

1925
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:39,920
Speaker 1: of kind of memory lane and looking back at some

1926
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 1: of those great memories. Um, I've recently read a couple

1927
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 1: of your stories of special memories. Back in the last

1928
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: couple of decades about your hunts for a specific buck. Um.

1929
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:54,240
Speaker 1: I read a story about your hunt for a buck

1930
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 1: name Hurley, heard a story of of your brother's hunt

1931
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:00,720
Speaker 1: for a buck. I think if you guys were hunting

1932
01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:03,280
Speaker 1: this buck named Woody m So, it sounds like you've

1933
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 1: you've had some experience targeting these specific bucks. I was

1934
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,600
Speaker 1: just curious if you could walk us through how you

1935
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:12,320
Speaker 1: go about learning and hunting one specific deer, because that's,

1936
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, selfishly, that's something I'm doing this year, and

1937
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking for any advice I can get to to

1938
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 1: have more success of that. Well, you know, and that

1939
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:26,839
Speaker 1: is a situation that whatever you want to say, it's unique,

1940
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 1: meaning if you're hunting a specific buck in an area

1941
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 1: that there's a multitude of other guys hunting the same turf.

1942
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:41,720
Speaker 1: You know, Um, let's say it's you know, mast or state,

1943
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:45,080
Speaker 1: state land or you know, open public public hunting and

1944
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 1: so forth, you don't know what, you have no control

1945
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 1: over who's in there, etcetera. And if he's being disturbed,

1946
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:57,520
Speaker 1: so that some of that is really tough type of thing.

1947
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 1: But when I develop a relationship with a specific animal,

1948
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 1: um uh, it's it's basically means more to me. I normally,

1949
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, we'll we'll pick an animal out and say, okay,

1950
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:20,040
Speaker 1: this one's two and a half years old, but he's

1951
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 1: got great potential. And I don't I don't try to

1952
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 1: try not to shoot a deer. Unlet's see. I get

1953
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:31,920
Speaker 1: a kick out of the guys on television saying, oh yeah,

1954
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:35,320
Speaker 1: he's fully matured. He's or he's he's maturity stree and

1955
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 1: a half. You know, Well he's not. I don't even

1956
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 1: consider four and a half fully mature. I don't think

1957
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:43,720
Speaker 1: a deer is fully mature until he's five and a half.

1958
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:47,920
Speaker 1: All right. So I'll pick, for example, a buck that

1959
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:51,960
Speaker 1: lives behind my house, and I'll say, okay, that one

1960
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 1: is two and a half. You know, I remember last

1961
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 1: year I saw him and he you know, with a

1962
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,720
Speaker 1: three way three or whatever, you know, in a year

1963
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 1: and a half, Okay, he's got some good Okay, two

1964
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 1: and a half, he's you know, he's a five by

1965
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:07,440
Speaker 1: four or whatever, you know, and oh man, he's you know,

1966
01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 1: he's got some non typical flavor. They're coming out, you know,

1967
01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 1: And I'll watch him grow, you know, and as hard

1968
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:18,680
Speaker 1: as it is, and as I said, this new video

1969
01:58:18,720 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm bringing out. I've got footage of me passing up

1970
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett Bucks at fifteen yards because I knew

1971
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:30,680
Speaker 1: they were only four and a half, you know. And

1972
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 1: in the one instance a poacher shot him. We found

1973
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:37,440
Speaker 1: him dead with a small caliber bullet in his chest,

1974
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:41,560
Speaker 1: and the other the other instance, they never saw him again.

1975
01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he disappeared, and I have no idea what

1976
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:47,520
Speaker 1: happened to him. But my point is that then there's others.

1977
01:58:48,040 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 1: There's many like that to disappear, but there's others that

1978
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:55,120
Speaker 1: you will watch, and Hurley was one of those. When

1979
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 1: I when I first missed him, I think, I mean,

1980
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:02,920
Speaker 1: you're testing my memory. I don't remember he was six

1981
01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:04,720
Speaker 1: six and a half or seven and a half. But

1982
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:08,080
Speaker 1: I ended up shooting him when he was nine and

1983
01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 1: a half. But the two years prior to when I

1984
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 1: killed him, when he was eight and seven and a half, okay,

1985
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:23,200
Speaker 1: same deal. I lost control. Um, I had a real

1986
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:29,360
Speaker 1: bad wind, and the farmer told me he saw him.

1987
01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:32,160
Speaker 1: He was, you know, bedded down with the dough and

1988
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:34,520
Speaker 1: I was scared out in the middle of a field

1989
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 1: and and anyway, and this big buck walked by the

1990
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:40,400
Speaker 1: next day and I lost control and I shot, you know,

1991
01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:42,680
Speaker 1: I got him that not the one I wanted, but

1992
01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 1: another one. And then the following year the same thing.

1993
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:51,240
Speaker 1: You know, I was saving my tag, you know, for Hurley,

1994
01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 1: and I had it was a boone and Crockett four

1995
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:57,640
Speaker 1: by four, you know, walked up fourteen guards broadside and

1996
01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,960
Speaker 1: stopped and looked the other way, and I lost him

1997
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:02,840
Speaker 1: roll on that one too, And then I after I

1998
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:07,440
Speaker 1: filled my tag, I saw Hurley was at five times

1999
02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: I think it was. You know, um, he said I

2000
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,520
Speaker 1: didn't have a tag, so as I said, that just

2001
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:17,800
Speaker 1: adds to the desire and so forth. But multiple years,

2002
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:20,720
Speaker 1: I mean from when he's you know, five and a half,

2003
02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:22,560
Speaker 1: six and a half, seven a half eight. Now you

2004
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:27,040
Speaker 1: put all those pieces of the puzzle together and you're

2005
02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 1: able to decipher a pattern type of thing. And that's

2006
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:36,200
Speaker 1: why I got so much satisfaction out of, you know,

2007
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 1: finally getting that bucket nine and a half. I put

2008
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:41,840
Speaker 1: all the pieces in it. All of a sudden one

2009
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:44,080
Speaker 1: day it hit me, I mean, right between the eyes

2010
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 1: type of thing, and you know absolutely that's what he's doing.

2011
02:00:48,440 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 1: He's making a circuit, coming up off of this ridge

2012
02:00:51,120 --> 02:00:53,960
Speaker 1: and crossing this fence right here at this low spot,

2013
02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:56,600
Speaker 1: and he's walking on this little finger here, and he

2014
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:59,720
Speaker 1: goes down and he follows that finger down, he crosses

2015
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:01,840
Speaker 1: that bottom. He goots up on that hill and he

2016
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:04,280
Speaker 1: lays up there with the south when it is back,

2017
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:05,920
Speaker 1: and he makes it. And when he gets up out

2018
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:08,200
Speaker 1: of his bed, he comes down on this cricket, goes

2019
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:10,600
Speaker 1: out to the It's a big circuit in the food source,

2020
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, from the betting area to the defeating area

2021
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:16,520
Speaker 1: and back to the bedding area. And I put the

2022
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:21,240
Speaker 1: stand in there, and sure enough he did exactly what

2023
02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:23,600
Speaker 1: I knew he was going to do a type of thing.

2024
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 1: And that that's what, as I said, that is what

2025
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:30,520
Speaker 1: gives me so much satisfaction. I do stuff sometimes, and

2026
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:36,040
Speaker 1: I even hesitate telling people because I think people tend

2027
02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:38,240
Speaker 1: to think I'm lying, and you know, I mean, but

2028
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm not. And you know, it's like the book, you know,

2029
02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:45,040
Speaker 1: Once upon the Once upon a Time that I wrote.

2030
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:49,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's more like hunting stories. But that I

2031
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:54,160
Speaker 1: hesitated writing that book because guys wouldn't believe. I mean,

2032
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:57,120
Speaker 1: this stuff can't all happen to one guy. But hey,

2033
02:01:57,160 --> 02:01:59,120
Speaker 1: it's the truth, you know. I mean, but I've been

2034
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, tree by grizze and charged by lions and

2035
02:02:02,360 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 1: falling off the cliffs. And I mean I got charged

2036
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:08,080
Speaker 1: by two Farrell hogs twice in the same day. I

2037
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:10,800
Speaker 1: had to kill him in hand to hand combat. You know,

2038
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:13,120
Speaker 1: buff you gotta buffed arm out of that deal. I

2039
02:02:13,120 --> 02:02:15,440
Speaker 1: had black bomb was I had hippo charge, you know,

2040
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:18,960
Speaker 1: stuff like you know, it is a't normal, but you know,

2041
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:23,120
Speaker 1: but that's I guess just because of the saturation factor.

2042
02:02:23,320 --> 02:02:26,840
Speaker 1: But anyway, there's this buck I called I named him

2043
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:30,280
Speaker 1: be nine, and I've got the footage and it's on

2044
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:33,080
Speaker 1: the new video. And you know, he walked by. He

2045
02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:37,480
Speaker 1: stopped at ten yards and he had I had his

2046
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 1: shed from the year before and his G two He

2047
02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:42,480
Speaker 1: was just four by four, but a G two was

2048
02:02:43,680 --> 02:02:48,080
Speaker 1: thirteen and uh five sixteen, and then the year before

2049
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:51,360
Speaker 1: he shed, okay, and then the year I passed him

2050
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:54,440
Speaker 1: up is G two. It's probably fourteen inches that year.

2051
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:58,360
Speaker 1: But he had a rate between his front legs on

2052
02:02:58,440 --> 02:03:02,560
Speaker 1: his brisket. He had a tumor the size of a watermelon.

2053
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:05,320
Speaker 1: And as I said, he was ten in factory. He

2054
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:07,240
Speaker 1: was ten yards when I was selling him. And then

2055
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:10,040
Speaker 1: he he ultimately walked right underneath me and cut my

2056
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:12,360
Speaker 1: track when I came in, and you know, busted out

2057
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:14,760
Speaker 1: of there. But I passed him up because he had

2058
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:18,240
Speaker 1: this tumor. And then a year later, almost to the day,

2059
02:03:19,160 --> 02:03:22,880
Speaker 1: I had him pattern good, almost to the day. Here

2060
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:25,800
Speaker 1: he comes back and I had the same stand and

2061
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:28,600
Speaker 1: I filmed them. He came up to this little cedar

2062
02:03:28,680 --> 02:03:32,920
Speaker 1: tree and he rubbed it on video for seven minutes

2063
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:36,120
Speaker 1: straight and he just shredded this poor little tree. And

2064
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:39,600
Speaker 1: then finally, and it was in pretty intense because finally

2065
02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:42,360
Speaker 1: he stepped out, you know, and I and I plugged

2066
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,400
Speaker 1: him and you know, and I got him and stuff,

2067
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, But the tumor had on his chest what

2068
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:50,600
Speaker 1: was the side of a watermelon was now it was

2069
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:53,120
Speaker 1: a scab, I don't know, probably four inches long and

2070
02:03:53,160 --> 02:03:56,000
Speaker 1: two inches wide. And I think what happened is the

2071
02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:58,400
Speaker 1: tumor got so big he when he jumped across a

2072
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:01,440
Speaker 1: barbed wire fancy lanced the tumor and it just drained,

2073
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:03,960
Speaker 1: you know type of thing, and it came, you know,

2074
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:06,240
Speaker 1: formed a scabb there where it had been cut and

2075
02:04:06,280 --> 02:04:09,000
Speaker 1: healed and everything. But anyway, he was fine and stuff

2076
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:11,680
Speaker 1: and so forth. But as I said, I passed him

2077
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 1: up one year and then you know, kept that because

2078
02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:17,320
Speaker 1: of the tumor. And then the next year to tumor

2079
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:22,200
Speaker 1: was gone, and I went ahead and and shot him again.

2080
02:04:22,280 --> 02:04:25,560
Speaker 1: I hesitate telling people this stuff because nobody believed it,

2081
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:28,160
Speaker 1: but I, in fact it's on the film. I mean,

2082
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:30,000
Speaker 1: I walk up to him as I, you know, I

2083
02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:33,040
Speaker 1: film shooting him. I take the blood drail, walk up

2084
02:04:33,080 --> 02:04:35,200
Speaker 1: to him, find him and stuff, and then right in

2085
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:40,080
Speaker 1: front of his face is a I said, I'm found camera.

2086
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:41,880
Speaker 1: I said, we've got going on here. And laying in

2087
02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:45,880
Speaker 1: the leaves was one of those foil balloons, you know

2088
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:48,640
Speaker 1: that that you know it says happy I said. I

2089
02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:50,800
Speaker 1: said to my brother, if it said get well quick,

2090
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:53,880
Speaker 1: I would have freaked out, you know, but it was anyway,

2091
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:56,080
Speaker 1: it was a happy birthday, you know, one of those

2092
02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:59,520
Speaker 1: foil balloons, right. So, I think it was the next

2093
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:04,440
Speaker 1: day or two days later, one of my buddies in Michigan,

2094
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:07,120
Speaker 1: he calls and he says, hey, you ain't gonna believe this.

2095
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:09,800
Speaker 1: He says, I got a deer the other day and

2096
02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:12,120
Speaker 1: he says, uh, I walked up to it and he says,

2097
02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:15,240
Speaker 1: laying right next to what was this foil balloon, you know,

2098
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:20,720
Speaker 1: and it's congratulating that, right. And uh. Two days later,

2099
02:05:21,120 --> 02:05:24,360
Speaker 1: Mike Mitton, the guy that we made my buddy that

2100
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:27,000
Speaker 1: we made Primal Dreams with, he shot a hundred and

2101
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:30,960
Speaker 1: sixties somethings five by five in Illinois and he says, hey,

2102
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:33,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna believe this. I walked up to it. It

2103
02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:36,440
Speaker 1: was one of those yellow smiley faces laying there. We're

2104
02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:38,720
Speaker 1: thinking of letting loose a whole bunch more, you know,

2105
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:42,200
Speaker 1: you know those foil balloons and let them float around

2106
02:05:42,200 --> 02:05:44,640
Speaker 1: for you guys type of thing. But three different guys,

2107
02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:47,840
Speaker 1: three different states, all of us shooting deer and walk

2108
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:49,720
Speaker 1: up to him and there's a foil ballow and laying

2109
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:52,200
Speaker 1: next to him. So I don't know, that's crazy. You

2110
02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:57,080
Speaker 1: can believe it or you can leave it alone. Promise.

2111
02:05:57,520 --> 02:06:01,760
Speaker 1: That's pretty wild. So my one final question on the

2112
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:05,400
Speaker 1: topic of of hunting the specific bucks, and it's interesting

2113
02:06:05,400 --> 02:06:09,160
Speaker 1: you kind of mentioned this with Hurley. How what I

2114
02:06:09,200 --> 02:06:10,680
Speaker 1: noticed is that a lot of the things we've talked

2115
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:13,880
Speaker 1: about all throughout this conversation all came together for you

2116
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:15,440
Speaker 1: to be able to kill that deer. So you talked

2117
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:19,360
Speaker 1: about how you finally realized after watching him and observing

2118
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:21,960
Speaker 1: him and collecting all these data points learning this pattern.

2119
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:24,120
Speaker 1: You learned how he used the terrain, and you put

2120
02:06:24,160 --> 02:06:27,400
Speaker 1: that information together with how you understand how terrain works

2121
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:29,680
Speaker 1: and how the wind, and then you took those data

2122
02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:33,240
Speaker 1: points by being attention By being attentive to those micro details,

2123
02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:34,960
Speaker 1: you then were able to put your stand in the

2124
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:38,760
Speaker 1: right location. Um. The final piece of that puzzle, though

2125
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,200
Speaker 1: I think at least I imagine this happened while you

2126
02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:45,560
Speaker 1: were hunting him, was balancing your pressure. So knowing when

2127
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:48,080
Speaker 1: to hunt him and or when to try to learn

2128
02:06:48,080 --> 02:06:50,000
Speaker 1: more so, how to get the information, whether it be

2129
02:06:50,080 --> 02:06:53,200
Speaker 1: moving trail cameras or when you're scouting, or when you're

2130
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:56,280
Speaker 1: actually hunting him. How do you balance getting that information

2131
02:06:56,280 --> 02:06:58,480
Speaker 1: and or hunting with the fact that you don't want

2132
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:00,400
Speaker 1: to go in there so much to spook that buck.

2133
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:03,720
Speaker 1: Because when you're hunting only one deer, if you've spooked

2134
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:05,720
Speaker 1: that one dear, you're you're your hunt, your season, your

2135
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:08,600
Speaker 1: goal is done. So how do you balance that? Yeah,

2136
02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:11,320
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's nothing but a gamble. Um.

2137
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:14,920
Speaker 1: I've said, you know, as I said, I try to

2138
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:20,320
Speaker 1: set up the situation so that um I can but

2139
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:24,080
Speaker 1: surprise him, you know, or ambush him, and he doesn't

2140
02:07:24,080 --> 02:07:27,600
Speaker 1: have a clue. And let me say this that as

2141
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:32,960
Speaker 1: far as like um um dear dear. In other words,

2142
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:36,320
Speaker 1: guys will say, and I'm of the opinion this is

2143
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:39,920
Speaker 1: this is true, and I hardly ever ever do it.

2144
02:07:40,120 --> 02:07:43,280
Speaker 1: But if you hunt a stand on Monday, you know,

2145
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:46,520
Speaker 1: it'll be say it's good, and the Tuesday it's not.

2146
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:51,560
Speaker 1: It will say Monday is great, Tuesday's good, Wednesday is

2147
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:55,080
Speaker 1: almost fair. All right, it's gonna get worse each time.

2148
02:07:55,560 --> 02:08:00,040
Speaker 1: But if you've got if it's the prime stand, and

2149
02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:03,720
Speaker 1: it depends on the time of the year, in other words,

2150
02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:06,840
Speaker 1: if you've got in early November, if you hunt a

2151
02:08:06,920 --> 02:08:11,600
Speaker 1: stand Monday and don't see the buck that you want,

2152
02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:15,320
Speaker 1: you can hunt that again, as long as you didn't

2153
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:18,640
Speaker 1: disturb the area and didn't disturb him, and it's still

2154
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, optimum uh conditions. You can hunt that more

2155
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:27,480
Speaker 1: that same stand two or even three days in a row.

2156
02:08:28,160 --> 02:08:32,880
Speaker 1: Because the deer year after on Tuesday, Monday, he was

2157
02:08:33,280 --> 02:08:36,320
Speaker 1: two miles away, you know, on another ridge or another

2158
02:08:36,440 --> 02:08:40,440
Speaker 1: farm or whatever. So he doesn't know that. But if

2159
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 1: but if it's a smaller area and you're saturated and

2160
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:47,040
Speaker 1: you're going to spook him and so forth. But as

2161
02:08:47,120 --> 02:08:49,480
Speaker 1: I said, it kind of depends on the situation. And

2162
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:53,920
Speaker 1: Hurley was an example of that because I knew I

2163
02:08:54,440 --> 02:08:57,720
Speaker 1: saw him go through there was a little hole in

2164
02:08:57,760 --> 02:09:01,040
Speaker 1: his fence, and I thought, but there was not a

2165
02:09:01,080 --> 02:09:05,840
Speaker 1: good tree there. So I went in and I put

2166
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:09,560
Speaker 1: this stand up. After the third time I saw him

2167
02:09:09,640 --> 02:09:12,120
Speaker 1: go through that in that that area type of thing,

2168
02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:15,240
Speaker 1: so I knew it was in his pattern type of thing.

2169
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:17,800
Speaker 1: All right. I went in and I put the stand

2170
02:09:17,880 --> 02:09:22,600
Speaker 1: up and I set everything up, and there was the

2171
02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:25,800
Speaker 1: same thing. It's hard to explain, but there was an

2172
02:09:25,880 --> 02:09:28,680
Speaker 1: area where I dropped the tree. It was a big

2173
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:30,480
Speaker 1: it was a dead tree on the ground. I didn't

2174
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:32,360
Speaker 1: actually cut it down, but it was a dead tree

2175
02:09:32,360 --> 02:09:35,240
Speaker 1: on the gat ground and I drug it over and

2176
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:39,360
Speaker 1: laid it at an angle to shift him over towards

2177
02:09:39,600 --> 02:09:42,840
Speaker 1: a little bit closer towards me. Type of thing, and

2178
02:09:43,400 --> 02:09:47,320
Speaker 1: that first neck that that next day, after I said it,

2179
02:09:47,600 --> 02:09:51,560
Speaker 1: I needed a southwest wind. Southwest wind that you know

2180
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:55,080
Speaker 1: was predicted for that day. And as I said, don't

2181
02:09:55,120 --> 02:09:57,120
Speaker 1: hold me to the facts. I can't remember for sure.

2182
02:09:57,160 --> 02:09:59,839
Speaker 1: But if I remember, it was like thirty four degrees,

2183
02:10:00,120 --> 02:10:02,960
Speaker 1: it was. It was the last day of October and

2184
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:06,600
Speaker 1: it was thirty four degrees, all right. I snuck into

2185
02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:10,640
Speaker 1: that stand, climbed it four light and I sat at

2186
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:14,720
Speaker 1: all day and I can't remember it was in It

2187
02:10:14,720 --> 02:10:19,560
Speaker 1: seems like I saw thirty five deer and seven of

2188
02:10:19,600 --> 02:10:22,880
Speaker 1: them were racked bucks, all right, But I did not

2189
02:10:23,120 --> 02:10:29,160
Speaker 1: see hurly, all right. But the conditions were absolutely prime,

2190
02:10:29,880 --> 02:10:33,240
Speaker 1: and hardly anything knew I was there. I didn't get busted.

2191
02:10:33,560 --> 02:10:36,280
Speaker 1: You know. They were running around because of the cold snap.

2192
02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:39,240
Speaker 1: The bucks are ready to those weren't They were just

2193
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:43,720
Speaker 1: chasing all over the place. It was absolutely fantastic day

2194
02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:47,840
Speaker 1: of hunting. Okay. So then the next day was November one.

2195
02:10:48,200 --> 02:10:52,720
Speaker 1: But that night that that cold front blew through, and

2196
02:10:53,080 --> 02:10:56,560
Speaker 1: the November one, all right, I don't remember what it

2197
02:10:56,680 --> 02:11:01,040
Speaker 1: was like sixty fifty six degrees and the morning and

2198
02:11:01,120 --> 02:11:05,520
Speaker 1: I remember, um, I shot early at eight thirty seven,

2199
02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:08,440
Speaker 1: if I remember right, And he was the first deer

2200
02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:11,320
Speaker 1: I saw eight thirty seven. The day before had already

2201
02:11:11,320 --> 02:11:14,640
Speaker 1: seen twenty deer type of thing, you know, And what

2202
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:19,480
Speaker 1: the front blew through, you know. But and it warmed

2203
02:11:19,600 --> 02:11:23,919
Speaker 1: up and he came walking through. Uh there was nowhere

2204
02:11:24,040 --> 02:11:27,400
Speaker 1: near the activity and so forth, and he came walking

2205
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:30,560
Speaker 1: through all by himself, and he did exactly what I

2206
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:33,240
Speaker 1: wanted him to do. And you know, I made this.

2207
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:36,480
Speaker 1: In fact, I really I kind of messed messed up

2208
02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:39,960
Speaker 1: because I had the camera right there mounted next to me,

2209
02:11:40,080 --> 02:11:43,240
Speaker 1: and I saw him coming and I hud, I hit record,

2210
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:45,720
Speaker 1: and I saw it the red light go on, so

2211
02:11:45,800 --> 02:11:48,000
Speaker 1: I knew I was filming. And when I took my

2212
02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:52,080
Speaker 1: sum off the camera, apparently I double punched it or something,

2213
02:11:52,120 --> 02:11:54,360
Speaker 1: but I shut the camera down and said, of turn

2214
02:11:54,440 --> 02:11:57,040
Speaker 1: it on, and I didn't get I didn't get to

2215
02:11:57,120 --> 02:11:59,720
Speaker 1: kill on film type of thing. But anyway, that that

2216
02:11:59,800 --> 02:12:01,840
Speaker 1: day had ended up getting up to I think it

2217
02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:04,240
Speaker 1: was eighty one that day, you know, So it went

2218
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:09,040
Speaker 1: from whatever I said, thirty thirty four degrees one day

2219
02:12:09,080 --> 02:12:12,960
Speaker 1: to eighty one the next, and it was it was

2220
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:19,560
Speaker 1: just a matter of, you know, staying there because I

2221
02:12:19,640 --> 02:12:21,720
Speaker 1: knew it was right. In other words, there was no

2222
02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:24,920
Speaker 1: place I could go or wanted to go that was

2223
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:28,320
Speaker 1: any better. And because he didn't show up on Monday,

2224
02:12:28,760 --> 02:12:32,920
Speaker 1: you know that instead of thinking maybe he'll show up, Tuesday.

2225
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:36,320
Speaker 1: You think, you know, he's more likely to show up

2226
02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:38,400
Speaker 1: on two s because he didn't show up on Monday.

2227
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:41,400
Speaker 1: Type of thing you're you're getting closer to. I mean,

2228
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:43,520
Speaker 1: he's going to come by sooner or later type of thing.

2229
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:46,480
Speaker 1: So as long as you're not disturbing the area, go

2230
02:12:46,520 --> 02:12:48,800
Speaker 1: ahead and go for it and stuff. Same thing. I

2231
02:12:48,840 --> 02:12:51,280
Speaker 1: think I ranged away from the answer. What was the answered?

2232
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:53,200
Speaker 1: What was a question? Again? Well, no, I think I

2233
02:12:53,200 --> 02:12:54,760
Speaker 1: think you covered it there. It was. It was just

2234
02:12:54,840 --> 02:12:58,280
Speaker 1: kind of wondering about how you balance the pressure of

2235
02:12:58,360 --> 02:13:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, getting after him and learn about him, but

2236
02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:03,040
Speaker 1: then also not overpressuring him and blowing him out of

2237
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:05,960
Speaker 1: the area. Um, So I think you spoke to you

2238
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:08,360
Speaker 1: spoke to a couple of different elements there that that

2239
02:13:08,440 --> 02:13:13,960
Speaker 1: makes sense. So many we have We've kept you for

2240
02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:16,000
Speaker 1: a very long time here, and what I've learned, I've

2241
02:13:16,040 --> 02:13:17,880
Speaker 1: learned a lot. But one thing I've definitely learned is

2242
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:19,840
Speaker 1: that I probably need to sit down with you for

2243
02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:22,200
Speaker 1: weeks on end and talk to you because there's so

2244
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:24,240
Speaker 1: much here to take in and so much the process

2245
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:26,840
Speaker 1: you are you have Just I don't mind it as

2246
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:31,520
Speaker 1: long as it's season. You know, My biggest problem is

2247
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:35,520
Speaker 1: the timing and stuff. You know, I mean I, UM,

2248
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:39,960
Speaker 1: I've always got stuff that I'm supposed to do or

2249
02:13:40,040 --> 02:13:42,920
Speaker 1: trying to do or need to do or whatever type

2250
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:46,200
Speaker 1: of thing, you know. And as I said, I, um,

2251
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:50,240
Speaker 1: after I bring up oh I and I I can't

2252
02:13:50,240 --> 02:13:52,680
Speaker 1: even remember if I if I said this, But after

2253
02:13:52,720 --> 02:13:57,320
Speaker 1: this video comes out making another one on technique, strategy

2254
02:13:57,320 --> 02:14:01,320
Speaker 1: and techniques in other words, how and I'll go into

2255
02:14:01,320 --> 02:14:04,640
Speaker 1: an area and film, Okay, this is we need to

2256
02:14:04,680 --> 02:14:07,800
Speaker 1: stand here, this is why. This is how I'm going

2257
02:14:07,880 --> 02:14:10,760
Speaker 1: to do it. And I've actually started it. Um, you know,

2258
02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:13,160
Speaker 1: I've got little pieces and stuff that, in other words,

2259
02:14:13,200 --> 02:14:18,040
Speaker 1: walk the viewer through how my thinking, why I'm doing

2260
02:14:18,120 --> 02:14:22,280
Speaker 1: something a certain way, and you know, how I do

2261
02:14:22,360 --> 02:14:25,800
Speaker 1: it and set it up and um, you know, set

2262
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:29,080
Speaker 1: up the ambush and then get out and wait until

2263
02:14:29,320 --> 02:14:32,360
Speaker 1: it's primetime and don't go in and disturb it and

2264
02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:35,240
Speaker 1: mess it up. And do your scouting in the off

2265
02:14:35,280 --> 02:14:38,920
Speaker 1: season so that you can see the difference, you know,

2266
02:14:39,120 --> 02:14:42,880
Speaker 1: in other words, predicting, um, how they're going to move

2267
02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:46,200
Speaker 1: when there's no foliage on a you know, no understory,

2268
02:14:46,280 --> 02:14:49,920
Speaker 1: and there is in you know, in October and there's

2269
02:14:49,960 --> 02:14:53,600
Speaker 1: not in November, etcetera dep thing, you know. So it's again,

2270
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:57,480
Speaker 1: I just I want to share this stuff so that

2271
02:14:57,640 --> 02:15:00,920
Speaker 1: the kids, the youth of you know, will get more

2272
02:15:01,800 --> 02:15:06,839
Speaker 1: uh more fun. And plus it's number number one setting

2273
02:15:06,920 --> 02:15:11,120
Speaker 1: up the situation so it's close, you know, for fifteen

2274
02:15:11,200 --> 02:15:15,800
Speaker 1: yards shot, you're gonna it's gonna help the the wounding rates.

2275
02:15:15,960 --> 02:15:18,520
Speaker 1: Meaning you know, a guy, you know, I mean I

2276
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:22,160
Speaker 1: I have always have been under the impression and again

2277
02:15:22,240 --> 02:15:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't gun hunt. I don't care what the next

2278
02:15:24,120 --> 02:15:27,000
Speaker 1: guy does. But I've been always under the impression that

2279
02:15:27,320 --> 02:15:34,880
Speaker 1: most bow hunters are better hunters than gun white til

2280
02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, gun hunters, because in other words, just the

2281
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:41,040
Speaker 1: ranged limitation of the equipment in your hands. Meaning if

2282
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:44,720
Speaker 1: you're sitting on a stand with a rifle and a

2283
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:48,160
Speaker 1: big buck steps out at fifty yards, if you've got

2284
02:15:48,200 --> 02:15:52,000
Speaker 1: the gun within ten seconds, it's over. Whereas if you're

2285
02:15:52,080 --> 02:15:55,480
Speaker 1: bow hunting, because of the limited range and your weapon,

2286
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:58,680
Speaker 1: you're at fifty yards, you might not even get shot.

2287
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:03,360
Speaker 1: And because of that, you are learning. You're watching this

2288
02:16:03,400 --> 02:16:07,120
Speaker 1: this social activity between the deer and you know how

2289
02:16:07,160 --> 02:16:11,120
Speaker 1: they're they're chasing, and you know he went over and

2290
02:16:11,120 --> 02:16:14,280
Speaker 1: he rubbed that tree and made that scrape and now

2291
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:18,240
Speaker 1: he's doing this and you learn and watch the patterns

2292
02:16:18,280 --> 02:16:21,280
Speaker 1: and so forth. So it's a it's part of the

2293
02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:24,560
Speaker 1: fun of it and stuff, you know. So I just

2294
02:16:24,600 --> 02:16:27,440
Speaker 1: told you know, you you say to these kids, you know,

2295
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean, um, if they really really love it, not

2296
02:16:31,080 --> 02:16:35,000
Speaker 1: only does it is a great bonding between father and

2297
02:16:35,160 --> 02:16:37,760
Speaker 1: son and you know, brothers or whatever it may be,

2298
02:16:38,400 --> 02:16:43,880
Speaker 1: but it just means so much more to you know planet,

2299
02:16:44,840 --> 02:16:48,800
Speaker 1: you know the strategy, you know, think about why you

2300
02:16:48,879 --> 02:16:52,440
Speaker 1: want to do certain things and and have it happen

2301
02:16:52,879 --> 02:16:56,360
Speaker 1: and get the animal rather than their buddy who just

2302
02:16:57,080 --> 02:16:59,240
Speaker 1: blasted the deer out of the window to pick up

2303
02:16:59,680 --> 02:17:02,480
Speaker 1: down the road type of thing. You know. So anyway,

2304
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:06,520
Speaker 1: like I said, I just I wanted to hand some

2305
02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:11,360
Speaker 1: of the the ideas and techniques down to the younger

2306
02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:14,600
Speaker 1: guys and and hope to you know, when I flipped

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Speaker 1: the ball to him, no run with it. So for these, uh,

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Speaker 1: these DVDs which sound like they're gonna be really interesting

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Speaker 1: and helpful, when can people expect these to be out?

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Speaker 1: And where can they go online to find more about

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02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:28,560
Speaker 1: the DVDs? Or your books? Are all the different things

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Speaker 1: that you and your brother are producing. We have um

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02:17:32,520 --> 02:17:37,120
Speaker 1: our Brothers of the Bow www. Www. Brothers of the

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02:17:37,160 --> 02:17:41,720
Speaker 1: Bow dot com our website, and there's DVDs and books

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02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:46,400
Speaker 1: and so forth on there. Um and uh as I said,

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02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:49,840
Speaker 1: there's free reading and you know, all kinds of stuff.

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02:17:49,879 --> 02:17:54,439
Speaker 1: But my point is there's new stuff that is being produced.

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02:17:54,520 --> 02:18:00,520
Speaker 1: I've got the one, and it's just coincidental. And the timing. UM.

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02:18:00,959 --> 02:18:06,879
Speaker 1: The editor that's editing mind right now. He he builed

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02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:11,720
Speaker 1: me last night and he said, I really would like

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02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:16,200
Speaker 1: to get this done in November, you know, so that

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02:18:16,840 --> 02:18:19,119
Speaker 1: you can have it for the holidays type of thing.

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02:18:19,320 --> 02:18:23,760
Speaker 1: So we're probably ninety some percent done on it, and

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02:18:23,959 --> 02:18:28,680
Speaker 1: basically as of yesterday we were designing the cover of

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02:18:28,720 --> 02:18:31,960
Speaker 1: the sleeve and the wording and the pictures and um.

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02:18:32,200 --> 02:18:34,800
Speaker 1: In fact, I got a picture. He's got one picture

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02:18:34,879 --> 02:18:38,720
Speaker 1: of me kneeling behind a spike horn that I shot

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02:18:38,760 --> 02:18:42,000
Speaker 1: in Vermont with the bow in nineteen sixty four, and

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02:18:42,040 --> 02:18:44,879
Speaker 1: then another picture right next to it of me kneeling

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02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:47,480
Speaker 1: with another big buck you know, that I literally shot

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02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:50,800
Speaker 1: fifty years later. You know, type of thing. I got

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02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:53,560
Speaker 1: a little bit better in my older age. It was

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02:18:53,640 --> 02:18:56,480
Speaker 1: more than a spike horn. But but anyway, they're gonna

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02:18:56,520 --> 02:18:59,920
Speaker 1: be available on our wed and then I'm going to

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02:19:00,040 --> 02:19:03,400
Speaker 1: I'll probably I'll put it on the various you know,

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02:19:03,720 --> 02:19:08,880
Speaker 1: um our three websites and BBS and drag Gang and

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02:19:09,080 --> 02:19:11,400
Speaker 1: both both site and stuff like that. I'll make the

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02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:14,440
Speaker 1: announcement that they're ready. In fact, I really don't know.

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02:19:14,920 --> 02:19:20,279
Speaker 1: As I said, I've got seven hours edited down, and

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02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:24,320
Speaker 1: I was originally trying to put it on to ninety

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02:19:24,440 --> 02:19:28,200
Speaker 1: minute discs so to be three hours long, and now

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02:19:28,440 --> 02:19:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to cut anything short, so

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02:19:31,879 --> 02:19:34,360
Speaker 1: we might end up I haven't asked them how much

2344
02:19:34,560 --> 02:19:39,039
Speaker 1: you know, the total time you know, adds up to,

2345
02:19:39,480 --> 02:19:42,400
Speaker 1: but I might end up having to put to one

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02:19:42,480 --> 02:19:46,640
Speaker 1: hour discs in one sleeve and then another you know,

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02:19:46,720 --> 02:19:49,600
Speaker 1: like volume one and another volume two or two one hour,

2348
02:19:49,879 --> 02:19:53,480
Speaker 1: so it would be four hours rather than And as

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02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:56,000
Speaker 1: I said, there's all kinds of chapters on bear hunting

2350
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:59,160
Speaker 1: and both fishing and techniques and how I practice and

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02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm and all kinds of stuff like that

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02:20:01,600 --> 02:20:06,199
Speaker 1: that that uh, I'm sure everybody will will really enjoy.

2353
02:20:06,400 --> 02:20:11,080
Speaker 1: But it's going to be a matter of um it's

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02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:13,920
Speaker 1: either gonna be three hours or or you know, with

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02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:18,279
Speaker 1: two discs and one sleeve or two different sleeves volume

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02:20:18,320 --> 02:20:22,039
Speaker 1: one volume. But anyway, I'll make the announcement not and

2357
02:20:22,360 --> 02:20:24,720
Speaker 1: you know I'm planning on you know, putting some mats

2358
02:20:24,760 --> 02:20:30,360
Speaker 1: in the magazines and and and um hopefully Yeah. So

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02:20:30,400 --> 02:20:32,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, whenever it comes out, we'll be

2360
02:20:32,320 --> 02:20:34,400
Speaker 1: sure to share it with the listeners and the audience

2361
02:20:34,400 --> 02:20:37,040
Speaker 1: and make sure that they know where to go, because

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02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:38,680
Speaker 1: I think there'll be a lot of people that after

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02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:41,000
Speaker 1: hearing this conversation, they're gonna want They're gonna want to

2364
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:42,520
Speaker 1: be able dig deeper into some of the things we

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02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:44,840
Speaker 1: touched on, and it sounds that these DVDs are perfect.

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02:20:45,040 --> 02:20:48,280
Speaker 1: So I'll make sure that I was gonna say, I

2367
02:20:48,280 --> 02:20:50,720
Speaker 1: don't know about okay, what do you say something about

2368
02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:52,240
Speaker 1: a link or TLL. I was just gonna say, I'll

2369
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:54,360
Speaker 1: make sure to have links to all of these things

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02:20:54,400 --> 02:20:56,480
Speaker 1: that people can go to our website and all link

2371
02:20:56,520 --> 02:20:59,960
Speaker 1: back to yours. See. Um, that's where I'm I really,

2372
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm not good at I mean, I am not I'm

2373
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:04,960
Speaker 1: what they call a low tech guy instead of high tech.

2374
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't everybody last I still use a

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02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:13,879
Speaker 1: flip phone, you know. I mean, I just I've never

2376
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:18,039
Speaker 1: sent a text in my life. You know. Again, I've

2377
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:22,320
Speaker 1: just I'm a little bit like it's somewhat embarrassing. I'm

2378
02:21:22,440 --> 02:21:26,520
Speaker 1: kind of behind times. But but anyway, my point is that, hum,

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02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:29,320
Speaker 1: I'll try to make it, you know, and uh, you

2380
02:21:29,360 --> 02:21:31,840
Speaker 1: know known and so forth, and we'll go from there.

2381
02:21:31,879 --> 02:21:35,560
Speaker 1: And as I said, if anybody wants to my email address,

2382
02:21:35,640 --> 02:21:38,840
Speaker 1: it's just it's very once a little hotmail dot com

2383
02:21:38,920 --> 02:21:42,640
Speaker 1: and you know, those those are probably the best ways

2384
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:45,600
Speaker 1: to get a contact with me. But as I said,

2385
02:21:45,640 --> 02:21:49,400
Speaker 1: if if anybody you know needs information, just to email

2386
02:21:49,480 --> 02:21:51,320
Speaker 1: me at very once a litt hotmail dot com and

2387
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:54,440
Speaker 1: I'll eventually get back to him and so forth. But

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02:21:55,240 --> 02:21:59,120
Speaker 1: I won't be back to Iowa until Saturday, so um,

2389
02:21:59,240 --> 02:22:01,720
Speaker 1: and then you know, if I leave for a week,

2390
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:05,280
Speaker 1: it takes me too to catch up. So um. This

2391
02:22:05,440 --> 02:22:08,640
Speaker 1: is the time of year where a lot of I

2392
02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:10,520
Speaker 1: put a lot of stuff on the back burner because

2393
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:14,160
Speaker 1: it's it's time and it's that time to get in

2394
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:16,879
Speaker 1: the tree. So I think, on that note, on that note,

2395
02:22:16,920 --> 02:22:19,480
Speaker 1: I should let you go so you can get whatever

2396
02:22:19,560 --> 02:22:22,800
Speaker 1: preparations done. Yeah, We want to really thank you Barry

2397
02:22:22,840 --> 02:22:25,200
Speaker 1: for taking the time to do this and sharing so

2398
02:22:25,320 --> 02:22:29,400
Speaker 1: much insight. And when is this going to be broadcaster?

2399
02:22:29,560 --> 02:22:31,279
Speaker 1: Are we doing it? A lot? We did? You already

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02:22:31,320 --> 02:22:33,280
Speaker 1: do it? I don't even know right well, it's not

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02:22:33,400 --> 02:22:36,039
Speaker 1: it's not live right now, but the listeners right now

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02:22:36,200 --> 02:22:39,720
Speaker 1: are at right now. But yeah, well it'll be. He'll

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02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:43,640
Speaker 1: be out in two days. Okay, we'll give me send

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02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:45,960
Speaker 1: me an email and let me know when I can

2405
02:22:46,040 --> 02:22:48,800
Speaker 1: download it and listen to myself talk. I will absolutely

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02:22:48,840 --> 02:22:51,160
Speaker 1: do that, Barry, and and thank you so much, and

2407
02:22:51,400 --> 02:22:55,080
Speaker 1: good luck you guys. Have you guys have a safe season,

2408
02:22:55,160 --> 02:22:57,879
Speaker 1: and and I hope you get the big one. Thank

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02:22:57,879 --> 02:23:02,120
Speaker 1: you so much, you too, And that's a rap. This

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02:23:02,200 --> 02:23:05,440
Speaker 1: was our longest episode, I'm pretty sure. So thank you

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02:23:05,480 --> 02:23:08,080
Speaker 1: for sticking along with us for the entire episode. I

2412
02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:10,120
Speaker 1: hope you found it interesting and helpful. I know there

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02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:12,320
Speaker 1: was a lot. There might be one of those episodes

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02:23:12,320 --> 02:23:14,240
Speaker 1: you need to go back to and listen again, maybe

2415
02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:18,080
Speaker 1: take notes, listen to certain sections, smart kind of break

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02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:22,200
Speaker 1: it up. Um, lots taken, but good stuff. So thanks

2417
02:23:22,200 --> 02:23:24,400
Speaker 1: for listening, and big thank you to our partners at

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02:23:24,400 --> 02:23:28,400
Speaker 1: Sitka Gear Yetie Cooler's, Matthews Archery, Mayven Optics, the White

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02:23:28,400 --> 02:23:32,199
Speaker 1: Tailed Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge and Hunt terror maps,

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02:23:32,280 --> 02:23:36,000
Speaker 1: and finally, thank you all for listening, thanks for being

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02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:38,520
Speaker 1: a supporter and a member of the wired hunt community.

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02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:40,360
Speaker 1: If you're getting out in the wood soon, I wish

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02:23:40,360 --> 02:23:43,959
Speaker 1: you luck, shoot straight, be safe, and until next time,

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02:23:44,360 --> 02:23:46,160
Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt.