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I don't talk about sets much, okay, 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: or graphics, but uh, the people that run this network 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: and make big decisions and you know, take town cars 12 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: to work. They have done a good job with our sets, 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: our design and our graphics. And so you'll see some 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: flares out there and some cool stuff and we appreciate 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: the effort. You know, if the host gets older, you 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: know you need help. I need support. 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 3: My back's hurting from carry the com dbacks hurting from 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: all that golfs. 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: You can tell what's happening to this show, Nick right 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes. 21 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: So here we go. 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: This is our last heard hierarchy going into the season. Listen, 23 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: the hardest part of this hierarchy was not the top. 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: It was who do I put ten to eleven twelve. 25 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: I got to watch the first couple of weekends. So 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: here we go. 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: Heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten NFL teams according 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: to College number ten. 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Detroit in there. They've got two new coordinators, 30 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: they lost two offensive linemen. The strength of their team. 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: They get Aiden Hutchison back. I think their division is 32 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: better this team last year. You know you're talking fourteen 33 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: to fifteen wins. I think it's major pullback. They are 34 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: so good upstairs. They've built a really cool culture. I've 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: always liked Jared Goff more than the rest of the 36 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: media gallery. But I don't think this tea wins their division. 37 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: And I think losing elite coordinators go as Philadelphia can 38 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: get ugly fast. I have them at ten. Number nine, 39 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: I'll put the Rams, although I think Houston is a 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: dangerous opener with Will Anderson, the Rams left tackle just 41 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: started practicing this week, and I mean, anybody spotted Matt 42 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: Stafford in LA. I think it's a dangerous opener. But 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: I think they have the second best coach in the league, 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: and when Stafford has time to throw with this young defense, 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: they'll win games. This is amazing. They were the young 46 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: They played more rookies than anybody in the NFL last year, 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: and yet we're the least penalized team. They're a completely 48 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: buttoned up organization, but left tackle and quarterback is a 49 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: lot of question marks, and Houston is a scary opener 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: with their pass rush. Number eight the Packers. Let me 51 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: ask you, is Jordan Love good? I don't know, but 52 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: I like the culture. I like the team. They were 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: actually last year one in five in division, which is 54 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: rare for them, so I think they'll improve. There were 55 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: ten and one against everybody else. Jordan Loves starts the 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: season slow, so that's a real thing. Joe Burrow's done 57 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: the same thing. Reasons I don't know. Again, I thought 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: they went out and got a number one ride receiver. 59 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: The Mica trade is absolutely worth a win. I don't 60 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 1: know if it's worth two. But they won eleven games 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: last year and we're banged up at quarterback. Just out 62 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 1: of respect for the organization and the coach, I think 63 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: the Mica trade works for them. I think they win 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: the division. Number seven Commanders are good. I wonder if 65 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: they're great. They have five primetime games. They're the oldest 66 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: team in the league. Did you know that? Looked it 67 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: up this morning. Older players do not like primetime games. 68 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: The Chiefs are used to it, but it can be disruptive. Also, 69 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: Jadeen Daniels and the Commanders scored on fifty percent of 70 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: their drives. I'm gonna go with that's not going to 71 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: happen again. The Deebo Samuel Chess piece is really interesting, 72 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: but I have them at seven. I'm higher on the 73 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: Seahawks than everybody else. At five to one. They're the 74 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: best bet to win a division. And here's my thing. 75 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: Second year, with a really bright young coach, upgrade at 76 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: coordinator and quarterback, they will be more run specific. Grays 77 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: Abel has been a big pickup. He had a great preseason. 78 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: They could not run the football last year. They will 79 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: be a run first team. They'll miss some big plays 80 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: with DK Metcalf, absolutely, but I gotta tell you, I 81 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: don't think there's a better personnel guy in the league 82 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: than John Snyder. Their last three drafts not a lot 83 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: of misses, and I love this draft. I have the 84 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: Seahawks at six, number five, But are they Kansas City? 85 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 4: No. 86 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: I think this is where the gap happens. The final 87 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: five teams. Listen, Kansas City was twelve to zero one 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: score games. That's not going to happen. But Andy Reid 89 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: and Mahomes are, you know, the best at what they 90 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: do in this sport, which is leaning offense. But the 91 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: problem is that Rashi Rice six game suspension. I feel 92 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: like they've been bailing water at wider receiver for three 93 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: years and it's worked. But you know, let's be honest 94 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,559 Speaker 1: about that. Guess who was closer to his prime Travis Kelce. 95 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: So they're going to be good. They have the best 96 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, the best coach, the best quarterback. The division 97 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: is a handful, but I think they'll be a playoff team. 98 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: But they got They were so good in one score games, 99 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: and I think the Raiders, the Broncos, and the Chargers 100 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: are all going to be a step better. 101 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 2: Number four Denver. 102 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: I think it's universally understood that bow Knicks is a 103 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: hit and will only get better. This is the team 104 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: last year that was very good but not great in 105 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: one score games. Now Breeze and Peyton were great in 106 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: one score game, so boone Nicks is not going to 107 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: be one in six and one score games. They also 108 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: went out and got real players the fun get safety, Green, 109 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: bought linebacker greenlot linebacker Evan Ingram at tight end. They 110 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: went and got productive veterans who will make an impact immediately. 111 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: They didn't just go to the transfer portal and get 112 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: rotational guys. They want and got productive stars in this league. 113 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: I have Denver at. 114 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: Four, number three. 115 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: You know, Lamar Jackson seven years, won seventy eight games, 116 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 1: and every game they lose is either against a playoff 117 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: team or it's close. I know, I know they don't 118 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: win in the postseason. It's a fair criticism, but I'm 119 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: I think structurally, like Kansas City, I don't see holes 120 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: in the organization. Number one rushing defense, number one rushing offense. 121 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: Everybody else says it's a passing league. Baltimore's like, yeah, 122 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: we can do that. But I have them at three, 123 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: number two. Listen, well, they've beaten the Chiefs in the 124 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: regular season, just not the postseason. I like Buffalo James 125 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: Cooks got his deal signed, they got all their early 126 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: draft picks. They went with defense, and that's what they 127 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: should have done. Listen, I think Josh Allen is the 128 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: most talented football player in the world. His strength, movement, 129 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything quite like it. He doesn't 130 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: have Mahomes as hardware, but he doesn't have Mahomes as coach. 131 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: Joey Bosa that's like under the radar. Still a good player, 132 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: but the Chargers didn't want to pay play for two 133 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: rush ends. So I just think they're lined up to 134 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: get to a super Bowl. Number one, best overall roster 135 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: composition in the league. Don't love their head coach, but 136 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: what do you want me to say? In the trenches 137 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: O line and D line, they nailed two early round corners. 138 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: I think they have the most players in the NFL, 139 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: either in their prime or close to their prime. I 140 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: can't find a hole on the team outside of I 141 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: don't always love the personality of the head coach, but 142 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: for a team that just blew out the Chiefs, they 143 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: were kind of strangely under the radar. So I have 144 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: them at number one, and with that Nick right, first 145 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: things first is joining us live, all right, there's usually 146 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: a aping hole that I missed, so I'm gonna I'm 147 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: gonna offer you an opportunity. What did I really swing 148 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: and miss on? 149 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 5: I mean, I I hate to Chris in your gorgeous 150 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 5: brand new studio and welcome you back from what was 151 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 5: I don't know, six seven week vacation with this, but 152 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 5: I think in all our time knowing each other, this 153 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 5: is this is a bottom two or three Herd hierarchy. 154 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 5: I just have to I listen, the Eagles at top 155 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 5: is fine. I still I still need to talk to 156 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 5: either on or offline about how the Chargers left tackle 157 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 5: getting hurt made the Broncos so much better. I still 158 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 5: don't totally understand that. 159 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: But fine. 160 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 5: You also said, you know, everybody agrees bo Nix is, 161 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 5: you know, is a hit and good, and you know 162 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 5: I don't not everybody my hands up on not agreeing. 163 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 5: I think I wonder what the commentary after Mac jones 164 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 5: first year ten wins, fake Pro Bowl going into year 165 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 5: two was, and we compare that to where bo Nix is. 166 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 5: But you also said John Schneider is the best GM 167 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 5: in football. I mean, forget my guy, Brett Beach. Howie 168 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 5: Roseman might have something to say about that. 169 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: But more importantly. 170 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 5: Than any of that, because obviously you and your merry 171 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 5: brand of you know, friends in the media that are 172 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 5: just convinced the Chiefs fifteen wins and third straight Super 173 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 5: Bowl appearance was sign of doom. That's fine, I'll set 174 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 5: that aside. Where are the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? Colin, how 175 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 5: did the Tampa Bay eleven? You always say eleven. Whenever 176 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 5: I bring up the team, you always say eleven. I 177 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 5: feel like the Bucks are a little disrespected, the Seahawks 178 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 5: and Broncos are a little overly respected, And I might 179 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 5: argue for like, I'm surprised you didn't find room for 180 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 5: the Chargers or the Bears. And so those would be 181 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 5: my bigger gripes, like the Chiefs being Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, 182 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 5: Eagles all are the four best teams in football. We 183 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 5: can argue about the order. One of those teams is 184 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 5: not like the other with Denver and they're owen seven 185 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 5: record against good AFC teams last year. But we'll see 186 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 5: how that works out. 187 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: So I said on the Mica trade is that it 188 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: was remarkable to me the pushback Dallas gott because I 189 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: watched Micah and Ceedee, Lamb and Dak get housed by 190 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: the Packers in a playoff game and trail like twenty 191 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: seven to nothing. I've seen it, and that was with 192 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: a better coaching staff than this staff. So Green Bay 193 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: needs a playwrecker, and that's what he is. The Cakes built, 194 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: He's the icing Dallas needs players and flexibility. Were you 195 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: surprised or maybe you agree with it, the outrage and 196 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: the negativity on Dallas getting two first rounders having four 197 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: total in the next two drafts. Oh, by the way, 198 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: next year could be a seedingly promising quarterback Drives or 199 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: I got it for Dallas, did you? 200 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 5: So? This is one that I think you nailed more 201 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 5: than most and I agreed, Listen, I would not want 202 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 5: to be in the business of trading Micah Parsons. I 203 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 5: think the Cowboys made up and I think you might 204 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 5: agree with this, made a bunch of mistakes that led 205 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 5: them to this place. I would have signed Micah a 206 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 5: year ago. If I was looking at it and said, hey, 207 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 5: we cannot have CD at the top of market, Dak 208 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 5: at top of market, and Micah at top of market. 209 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 5: We're gonna have to move off one of those three. 210 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 5: Micah would have been the last one that I moved 211 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 5: off of Like so, there are things I would have 212 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 5: done differently, but once they got to where they were. 213 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 5: My defense of Dallas is this, if the breaking news 214 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 5: last week Colin was not that Mike has traded. It 215 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 5: was that the Cowboys signed Micah to the exact contract 216 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 5: Green Bay did. Everyone would be killing the Cowboys like 217 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 5: they put themselves in a spot where, no matter what, 218 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 5: they were going to be criticized, because if you cannot 219 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 5: pay Micah forty seven DAK sixty C thirty five and say, 220 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 5: and it's sure, we're just going to be better than 221 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 5: we've been the last few years when you haven't been 222 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 5: good enough. So once they got to the place they 223 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 5: were in, I understood the trade. Their hope, obviously, is 224 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 5: that it is their version of the Chiefs trading away 225 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 5: Tyreek Hill, where you recognize he's a great player, but 226 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 5: recognize you have other holes you need to fill. I 227 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 5: don't like that they got to the place, but once 228 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 5: they got there, two first round picks and in my opinion, 229 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 5: a good player in Kenny Clark. It's not an overwhelming return, 230 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 5: but it's fine. They just obviously have to hit on 231 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 5: those picks. So I agree with you that once they 232 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 5: got to this place, trading him was understandable. I don't 233 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 5: like the process that led them to getting to this place. 234 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 5: You know. 235 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: So I'm watching Belichick and we looked it up this morning. 236 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: If you take Cleveland, New England and that game last 237 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: night with Al Brady Belichick has averaged nineteen points in 238 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: his career. And I've said this. Andy Reid got to 239 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: five NFC championships, Prima homes, Andy Reid won, got to 240 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: the playoffs with Alex Smith. Andy Reid wins everywhere. I 241 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: cannot be the only person that watches that game last 242 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: night and think it's hot. This is not aging. Well, 243 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: this does not look good. When Tom goes to Tampa 244 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: and a little bit of a pirate ship, of course, 245 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: and wins the trophy. I do think this dings his legacy. 246 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: I don't think the last several years helps at all. 247 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 5: Well, I agree with the last part. It sutinly doesn't help. 248 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 5: There's no argument that it helps. Now, how much does 249 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 5: it hurt that I'm not ready to go there yet? 250 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 5: What I will say, let me defend Bill and then 251 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 5: give you my thoughts on last night. We all, all 252 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 5: of us that were there for the first three Super 253 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 5: Bowls recognize those were defense led teams with an incredibly clutch, 254 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 5: but not yet great quarterback. The final Super Bowl in 255 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 5: twenty eighteen, Colin, they shut down Todd Gurley, Sean McVeigh, 256 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 5: and a good Jared Goff to the tune of three 257 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 5: points in the Super Bowl. Like his ability for twenty 258 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 5: years in New England to put great defenses around Tom 259 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 5: should not be overshadowed in how that team won as 260 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 5: much as they did, So that part no one can 261 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 5: ever take away from him. But the fact that we 262 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 5: now over the last half decade in New England, his 263 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 5: talent evaluation was questionable, His coaching staff decisions were outright bad. 264 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 5: His inability to ever get the quarterback position right outside 265 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 5: of Brady, which is a big yeah. But because Brady 266 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 5: is the greatest in the history of the sport that 267 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 5: that matters. And we've talked about this, the melding of 268 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 5: his personal and professional life and the really odd decisions 269 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 5: to keep that front and center up to an including 270 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 5: last week with the trade attempted reported trademark of gold 271 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 5: Digger and other things. The only way that's going to 272 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 5: be okay is if you continue being excellent. And not 273 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 5: only were they not excellent, they were awful last night. 274 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 5: And it also to me there was a lot of 275 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 5: excuse making for a I'm not writing the kid off, 276 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 5: but a poor arch Manning performance because we were like 277 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 5: man Mike or Matt Patricia's defense, like there's just nothing 278 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 5: a college kid could ever have done well. Josh Hoover 279 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 5: looked pretty fine last night against Bill Belichick's defense. So 280 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 5: I don't think it was all that. I think it's 281 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 5: also the personnel and the experience. But yeah, that is Colin. 282 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 5: I looked this morning. They're now projected to win five 283 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 5: and a half games, Like they have three non con 284 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 5: games coming up and then a game against Stanford Nancy 285 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,239 Speaker 5: State late, but they're going to be underdogs the majority 286 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 5: of the rest of the way, and that team doesn't 287 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 5: look anywhere close to competing for anything significant. 288 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know, the arch Manning thing which you 289 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: alluded to. I said, you know, I was driving in 290 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: this morning and I was thinking about I never want 291 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: to be too harsh, but there's a difference between jitters 292 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: and nerves and like not throwing more than maybe one 293 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: ball all afternoon, where you're like, oh, that was pitching catch, 294 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: that's it was off kilter. He felt pressure that didn't exist. 295 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: He missed multiple layups. He sometimes he faded into pressure 296 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: like it's it looked about as bad as it could be. 297 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: And he's been with sort three years. And you can 298 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: criticize sarc well that, but he was things Sark can 299 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: coach offense in quarterbacks. 300 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 5: We know that it was. It listened. It's not everything, 301 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 5: but it's not nothing, and it is. You then start 302 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 5: looking with a finer tooth comb at him versus the 303 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 5: other guys who were, you know, early in their college 304 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 5: career being talked about as future number one picks. I 305 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 5: understand his rookie year didn't go so these guys, by 306 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 5: the way, haven't yet to be proven to be great pros. 307 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 5: But Caleb Williams, the first time he ever played college 308 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 5: football as a true freshman, gets dropped into the Red 309 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: River Shootout, down two scores, then cooks, and it's just unbelievable. 310 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence as a true freshman goes undefeated and beat 311 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 5: Alabama in the National Championship game, goes thirty eight to two. 312 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 5: And again you can say, well, what does that matter 313 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 5: because those guys haven't been the pros you know, Caleb 314 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 5: early and Trevor through four years that we would have hoped. 315 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 5: The point is those guys had this type of hype 316 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 5: about number one overall pick and immediately backed it up. 317 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 5: My concern for Arch going into the game was multi layered. 318 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 5: One is, it's not nothing that Texas last year decided 319 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 5: Quinn Ewers was the better option. Now, Quinn's a great 320 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 5: college player, seventh round pick, they're going for national championship. 321 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 5: I understand that, but that's not nothing. Expecting Arch to 322 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 5: cook against the national champion on the road in his 323 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 5: first ever road game. That was curious. And then also 324 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 5: the fact that he didn't go to a football factory. 325 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 5: He went to a small school in New Orleans and 326 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 5: had a nice but not overwhelming high school career, and 327 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 5: then three years in we haven't seen him play in 328 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 5: a big spot yet. There were just a lot of 329 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 5: reasons for me to believe this is gonna be tough 330 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 5: on him. Now, I didn't think they'd only score seven points, 331 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 5: but I did like Ohio State significantly in the game. 332 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 5: And I'm not writing all Arch Manning on anything except 333 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 5: for this. I do think we can write him off 334 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 5: on this year's Heisman Trophy, not only because he now 335 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 5: has a hugely high profile bad game, but also because 336 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 5: when you watched that, does it feel like he's about 337 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 5: to rip off ten straight awesome games? 338 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: I don't know. 339 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 5: I know their next three San Jose State, UTEP, Sam Houston, 340 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 5: he should be great. Then it's at Florida in the swamp, 341 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 5: and then it's the Red River shootout. Like I think that. 342 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 5: You know, his grandfather was like, Arch is gonna stay 343 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 5: for two years? And Arch was like, I don't know 344 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 5: about that. I think that's more on the board now 345 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 5: than it was going into the game. And that's not 346 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 5: an indictment, but it did feel like he was anointed 347 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 5: without having accomplished in a way we hadn't seen recently 348 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 5: in college football. 349 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: Totally agree. It's good to be back. You know, I 350 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: do enjoy working. I take some respites, but I do 351 00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: enjoy working. 352 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 5: Listen, Colin, you are for thirty years the hardest working 353 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 5: man in the industry, and now you're the hardest working 354 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 5: man in the industry September through May. And you know what, 355 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 5: that's fine. There's no problem with that, bro. You have 356 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 5: earned it. I respect it, and I love it. It's 357 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 5: good to see you again. 358 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: Ah, Nick right, my friend Nick right? First things first, 359 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: which is at it an hour? So that that is great. 360 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: Jane Mack, we both had good summers with our families. 361 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: That's what it was about you and I decided let's 362 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: go have some fun this summer. 363 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 3: Oh he was outstanding until I came back and saw 364 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 3: you left the forty nine ers off the hurt hierarchy. 365 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 3: I mean, what a glaring error. Well, people, they're twelve 366 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: twelve with the easiest schedule that the NFL has seen. 367 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: That I'm not putting in schedule yet. Let's see what transpires. 368 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: I think they're I think Seattle beats Seattle's a two 369 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: point dog at home. I love Seattle six. I think 370 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: Seattle is going to beat San Francisco. There are two 371 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: point dog at home. Well, you want have a sign? 372 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 5: I bet? 373 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: How about this? 374 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 3: If the Niners win that game, you have to play 375 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: around of golf with me this week. I'm busy. 376 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's disrespect. I'm okay, fine, I'm out there 377 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: deal making. 378 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 6: You think the Seahawks are the sixth best team. 379 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 5: In the YA. 380 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: This is the herd hierarchy is not a schedule ranking. 381 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: It is your personnel, your coach, It is your acquisitions 382 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: and free agency. You lose Hfungo Greenlaw. You literally went 383 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: and got Robert Sola because you're like, we were bad 384 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: defensively you just lost two of your best defensive players. 385 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: Potentially interesting. 386 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 3: So Seattle lost their quarterback Metcalf and Lockett. 387 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: No upgraded at quarterback coordinator and hit on another two 388 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: or three draft picks. I can't believe Seattle is a 389 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: home dog in a division rivalry game. 390 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 3: Make the market is telling you that the Niners are 391 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 3: way better and the Seahawks are overvalued. Make a side 392 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: bet with me. It doesn't have to be golf. It 393 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: doesn't have to be something to chew up your valuable time. Listen, 394 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 3: you better hang out with me at least one night 395 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: this week. 396 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: Come on, I'll try to make time on Thursday. 397 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 6: Oh for the game. We'll watch a game together. All right, 398 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 6: you'll buy me food and drinks? Well, I like that? 399 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: What's new? 400 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 2: One more Heard? 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A world will? 410 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 8: We chat with captains of industry in media. 411 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 7: Sports and more every week explore some amazing facts about 412 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 7: human nature and more. Listen to the Fifth Hour with 413 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 7: Ben Maler on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever 414 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 7: you get your podcasts. 415 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: See Saquon Barkley voted on by players top one hundred 416 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: players in the NFL. Saquon Barkley got number one. I 417 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: contend it was one play. Everybody knew he was good, 418 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: but he was below fifteen last year when he did 419 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: that jump backwards over a player that got him to 420 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: number one. 421 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it might have been the 422 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: two thousand yards rushing. Well, everybody knew he was good, 423 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 3: not that good. 424 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: Come on to be the number one player in the 425 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: National Football League. 426 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, listen, it's hard to argue. 427 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 3: When he goes to the Eagles and they make the 428 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 3: leap and win the Super Bowl by a billion against 429 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 3: the Chiefs and he was awesome, it's hard to argue. 430 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 6: I don't know about one. 431 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: Remember this a few years ago when this ridiculous narrative 432 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: that running backs aren't being paid and have no value. 433 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 6: We saw through that. We were early on that. 434 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just ridiculous. I mean, I've never talked to 435 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: a coach or a GM. There are concerns about a 436 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: second contract because it's the last player offensively that you 437 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 1: can hit from any angle and not draw a penalty. 438 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: So you don't want to sign to a second big contract. 439 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: And he got a reasonable number. But it's like the 440 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: idea that running backs were treated unfairly, folks. It's a 441 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: game of regulated violence. There are certain positions that don't 442 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: They don't last interior defensive lineman. I mean Aaron Donald 443 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: could still play him. He's like, yeah, I'm out. It 444 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: beats up my body, Like we get it. Jmack with 445 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: a news. 446 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: Turn on the news. This is the herd Line News. 447 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 3: Let's start with the athletic colin They polled NFL coaches 448 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 3: and executives around the league ahead of Week one. This 449 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 3: was a bit of a surprise. The question was which 450 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 3: quarterback you'd want to start a franchise with. The top 451 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: three were obvious Josh Allen Mahomes at Burrow, but strangely 452 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 3: number four, Jaden Daniels, got double the amount of votes 453 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: of two time MVP Lamar Jackson. 454 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: Well, he's viewed as better at this stage by a 455 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: long shot in the pocket. 456 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: Okay, at this stage, yeah, Colin, I just got to 457 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 3: pump the brakes. We saw this with CJ. Stroud first year, 458 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 3: off the hook, second year. Nobodys talking about CJ. Stroud 459 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: as a top seven quarterback in the league, not after 460 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 3: last year. And I listen, there is some caution around 461 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 3: around the Commanders and Daniels right now for this season. 462 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: That defense got old. They were twenty of twenty three 463 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: on fourth down last year. There's no way they're sniffing 464 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 3: that again. 465 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 5: No. 466 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: I actually think the two underdogs this weekend that really 467 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: interest me Houston against the Rams okay left tackle, and 468 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: I think the Giants app I think the Giants can 469 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: give Washington. Listen, that defensive front for the Giants is spectacular, 470 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: Like it is top two or three in the league. 471 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: And what is the hardest unit to create chemistry and cohesion? 472 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: O lines? And nobody plays starting offensive linemen in the preseason. 473 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: So Week one, I think the Giants and the Points 474 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: are the player. I'm with you. 475 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 6: The line is coming down on that game. I do 476 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 6: want to add. 477 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 3: Abdul Carter is probably the guy we didn't talk about 478 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 3: enough in the preseason. He barely played, but when he played, 479 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 3: he was like unblockable. Like I'm talking unstoppable for I 480 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: just can't get behind the Giants the season because of 481 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: that schedule. 482 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 6: You know you saw this guy. 483 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: It's some division rivalries. That's the first thing I look 484 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: at with bets every week. When a division rival that's 485 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: capable is getting points, Seattle at home getting points against 486 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: the Niners, sounds. 487 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: Like someone's almost got their Uh oh, I got it done, baby, 488 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 3: it's already. 489 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: You got to fix it on I've never had a 490 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: winning week. 491 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: One, who are you, Matthew McConaughey, And two for the money, 492 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: you've got to fix. 493 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 5: It on you. 494 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: I've never had a winning week one I started. Was 495 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: it last year or the year before? Oh to nine? 496 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I feel I've got my picks all right. 497 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 6: So let's move on. Speaking of quarterbacks. 498 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: J J. 499 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 6: McCarthy is the only quarterback. 500 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 3: From last year stellar class who has yet to take 501 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: a regular season stap. 502 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 6: He'll do that Monday in Chicago. 503 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: You know, we've heard a lot of noise about McCarthy 504 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 3: a lot of negatives, some positive, but TJ. Hockinson has 505 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 3: chimed in saying he sees a little bit of Kirk 506 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 3: Cousins in Matthew Stafford in McCarthy. Wow, I don't. 507 00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 6: You don't see it at all. 508 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 1: No, I have no idea what I'm getting. I think 509 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is Mahomes to the Chiefs. But 510 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: to be able to get an elite left tackle Justin Jefferson, 511 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: a brilliant offensive coach, a revamped offensive line, the best 512 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in the sport. That is your opening year 513 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: starting in the NFL. Now, it may not be as 514 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: good as Mahomes, who got Kelsey, Tyreek Red and a mentor. 515 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: But if you're looking at a comp with Mahomes, that 516 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: got the coach, the protection, the weapon where they. 517 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: Drafted almost the same spot. 518 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 6: I think Mahomes was like ten McCarthy was right around 519 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 6: there own. 520 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 521 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: It's my take on him is if he's not capable. 522 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: If I don't get like twenty of twenty eight, it's 523 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: a warning sign. You do. This is keys to the Mercedes, 524 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: don't run it into the local tree. 525 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 6: Well it is so it's made to win let's slow 526 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 6: your role. 527 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: Remember they had to just go get Adam Feelin because 528 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 3: their receiving core was so decimated. 529 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: So expect bid Addison's coming back. 530 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 6: He is coming that. 531 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: But I'll expect a lot of bracketing of Justin Jefferson 532 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: in the opener. 533 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 2: Maybe straight up. 534 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: Double this Viking roster top to bottom. Top five good, 535 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: it's good, top five or six. 536 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 6: In the NFC or in the league. 537 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: No, I mean, I don't think it's Baltimore. I don't 538 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: think it's Philadelphia. And then you can argue it is Detroit. 539 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 3: So if you and maybe we'll do this tomorrow, if 540 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 3: you stack the skill position guys Vikings versus Bears, I 541 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 3: think the Bears probably. 542 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: Have them buy an edge color. 543 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 544 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: But if you go O line, yes, and if you 545 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: go prove an offensive coach. 546 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 6: They've got the guy from the Chiefs. 547 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: Well let's let's let's see real game footage. Let's see 548 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: it all pro with the the Bears O line is improved. 549 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: But I think Brian Flores is like Matt Patricia Ohio State. 550 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: I think Brian Flores is a secret sauce. 551 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 3: In that game, you got Kevin O'Connell or Ben Johnson, 552 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: if you're hiring tomorrow. 553 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: Well I would hire Kevin because I know what he 554 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: can do. Oh wait, neither has a playoff win, so 555 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: well one has one guy. How many games the Minnesota 556 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: in last year? 557 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 6: A lot? 558 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: I think it's Ben's never won a single game in 559 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: the NFL as a head coach. Let's get a few 560 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: reps in. Yes, that's probably fair. 561 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: Final story Collins, you college football listen, we love a 562 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: little trash talk. Oklahoma State and Oregon play this weekend 563 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 3: in Eugene. 564 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a bloodbath. 565 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: Ahead of the game, Mike Gundy, who is a mouthy coach, 566 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 3: took to his radio show to criticize Oregon's nil spending 567 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 3: and should schedule said they should schedule non conference opponents 568 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: with similar budgets. Well, Dan Lanning has chimed in, here 569 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 3: we go. 570 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 9: If you want to be a top ten team in 571 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 9: college football, you better be invested in winning, and we 572 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 9: spend to win. Some people say to have an excuse 573 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 9: for why they don't right, and ultimately like he's a 574 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 9: great coach, They've done an unbelievable job. But I want 575 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 9: to be a team that's competing at the highest level 576 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 9: and We're really fortunate to be in that situation. 577 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 8: So I can't speak on their situation. I have no idea. 578 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 9: You know, what's what they got in their pockets over there. 579 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 8: I'm sure U T. 580 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 9: Martin maybe didn't have as much as them last week 581 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 9: and they played. So we'll let it play out. 582 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: By the way, Oregon recruits at an elite level nationally, 583 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State doesn't, So forget all the nil stuff. Oregon 584 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: has been an elite recruiter for a decade plus, all right, 585 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: So that Oregon's got unbelievable facilities, Phil Knight momentum, They've 586 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: had great coaching hires. So Oregon's a next level program. 587 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: Oregon's a top seven program in the country. Oklahoma State's 588 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: not the best program in their own state. 589 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 3: So I want you to try to guess this spread, 590 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: and I don't know if you can get within a 591 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 3: touchdown of the spread of Oregon, Oregon Oklahoma States. It's 592 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 3: in ug and Mike Gundy's talking trash. 593 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: I would say twenty six. 594 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's good. It's currently twenty eight. And I 595 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: think based on these comments that Landing is not going 596 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 3: to call it the top of the fourth quarter. I 597 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 3: think he puts it on him. 598 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Gundy's done a really good job. 599 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: But Oregon, you don't. Don't tell me Oregon's winning because 600 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: of money. Oregon in the Chip Kelly days and there 601 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: the call off the dogs at halftime. Oregon's been winning forever. 602 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 6: So the biggest spenders. 603 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 3: If you're watching at home, Texas won Texas Tech number 604 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 3: two this year. That's why I love the Red Rape. 605 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 3: By the way, Texas lost. 606 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: Texas lost Texas Tech one handle Texas A and m never 607 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: wins as much as we think they should. That Jimbo 608 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,239 Speaker 1: Fisher had a tough run there. 609 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 3: Oregon, Ohio State and Miami in there, Michigan, which. 610 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: I didn't like the looks of Michigan. 611 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 6: What you didn't take? The young quarterback look really good. 612 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: I thought he looked good. 613 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 6: The rest of the team not so much. 614 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: I would be a little concerned. 615 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 6: How about your Trojans. 616 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: I don't think we've I mean ten yards of play. 617 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: I hope it was. Sadly, I had to go to 618 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: YouTube to see the highlights. Apparently there's some anti USC 619 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: network TV bias, but stand down on that one and 620 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: you can fire Tennessee. I watched Tennessee play. They look 621 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: pretty good. 622 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 5: Hey. 623 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: By the way, the Tennessee quarterback who played for UCLA, 624 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 3: did you see how Nico did? 625 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god? The first of all. Utah is the 626 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,719 Speaker 1: most underappreciated program in college football for twenty years. So 627 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: like scheduling, you get your first start and it's against 628 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham and Utah. By the way, half that stadium 629 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: was Utah fans. Yeah. 630 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 3: I was at a fantasy draft with the UCLA guy 631 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: who was tailgating at the game, and. 632 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 6: They said, oh, how did it go? He goes, the 633 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 6: Utah game was terrible. 634 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: He didn't even make. 635 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 6: It Ucla because they didn't show up. 636 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Colin, that was. 637 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 5: Bad. 638 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and 639 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: thanks for stopping by The Herd. 640 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 8: Lie. 641 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: There was another moment in Belichick's loss last night that 642 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: sort of stood out to us, and we'll talk about 643 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: that next. 644 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 645 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 2: in neon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Video 646 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 647 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 3: The NFL regular season kicks off on Fox this Sunday 648 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 3: as the Giants take on raining offensive rookie of the Year, 649 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels and the Commanders or the Niners take on 650 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 3: the Seahawks or other regional action. 651 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: Then it's back Sunday on Fox. Giants Alive, dog dogs 652 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: are barking, yeap, watch that de front Washington, litle high 653 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: on the hog. I kind of like the Giants this weekend, 654 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: and I'm lousy in week one, so you know, what 655 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: do I know? So I did think it was kind 656 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: of funny watching the post game Bill Belichick comments with 657 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: balloons and celebratory balloons around the day ass. I think 658 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: the first warning side I talked about this before I 659 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: went on a vacation was forty players from the transfer 660 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: portal and the transfer portal, can we be honest about it. 661 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: It's a little like the junk food aisle at the 662 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: grocery store. Now, there's some good protein bars. I like 663 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: stuff in the junk food aisle. At the very end 664 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: of it, you'll find a couple of protein bars, but 665 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: it's not sound nutrition. And I think most of the 666 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: guys you get in the transfer portal, if Georgia likes 667 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: a player, he's not leaving Georgia. 668 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 5: Now. 669 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: Now Miami went and bought CJ. Daniels, the receiver from LSU. 670 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: That kid's a baller. Like sometimes you just pony up 671 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: the dough, Miami goes and buys him, or like Caleb 672 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: Downs from Alabama, you know, Ohio State buys him. But 673 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: I've always thought it's got a little bit cooin Field 674 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: to it, little oasis, you know, a little mirage out there. 675 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: You're telling all your buddies you're rich. I don't know, 676 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: you're still renting. I don't know. So my take on 677 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: the transfer portal, LSU went big first couple of years. 678 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: Transfer portal how to work for Brian Kelly. And I'm 679 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: not saying he didn't have to. Lincoln Riley went big. 680 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: He had to. You know, by year two it wasn't 681 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: very good. Chemistry check went huge. Dion Sanders has gone big. 682 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: I am not a huge fan of the transfer portal. 683 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: And I thought last night you were watching a veteran 684 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: quarterback and a veteran staff, and the longer the game 685 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: went they separated. It felt competitive for a quarter. The 686 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: longer they went, the coaching and the players and the 687 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: chemistry looked a lot better at TCU. Hereer's Nick Wright 688 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: thirty minutes ago on Belichick's debut. 689 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 5: His talent evaluation was questionable, His coaching staff decisions were 690 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 5: outright bad. The melding of his personal and professional life 691 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 5: and the really odd decisions to keep that front and center. 692 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 5: The only way that's going to be okay is if 693 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 5: you continue being excellent. And not only were they not excellent, 694 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 5: they were awful last night. 695 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: And the other thing I think I asked this question 696 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: about a week ago. We know Belichick's the best defensive 697 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: coach ever. We know he can build the culture. I 698 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: do not think he is aged particularly well. But do 699 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: we know that he's great at personnel? Where were there 700 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: great players? Where were there very good players? I mean 701 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: the quarterback had one drive? Where were there very good 702 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: players last night? And the other thing, I know Mac 703 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: Brown can judge personnel because I saw him go to 704 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: Texas and build a powerhouse. And I saw him start 705 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: Carolina and then go back the first couple of years 706 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: and they didn't have this nil money. I know Mac 707 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: Brown knows personnel. I watched the last several years when Belichick. 708 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: This is something that me and Ryan Risilla used to 709 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: talk about all the time. I used to always say this, 710 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 1: go look at his last seven drafts when he took 711 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: control of personnel. He and his dog in Nantucket controlling 712 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: the draft. Find me the Pro Bowlers Offensively, they had 713 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: a punter they just missed. And again he was controlling 714 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: the personnel, the system, the coaches. One of the reasons 715 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: Brady left, they didn't have any good players. There was 716 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: no separation. Brady chose Tampa because he looked at Chris Godwin, 717 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: those Mike Evans, the interior O line like great GM 718 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: and Tampa. Tampa's always had talent until Brady. They never 719 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: got a quarterback. But New England, I mean Mike Rabel's 720 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: taking it over. He had to go spend three hundred 721 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: million dollars. They had no speed, they were small, they 722 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: didn't have juice. So I'm not sure college is all 723 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: about coaches and their eye for personnel. Saban, great Lane Kiffin, 724 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: great Mac Brown, great Ryan Day is a good eye. 725 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure that's a strength of Belichick. Also, 726 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: NFL Network had their top one hundred players and Mahomes 727 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: is five. I'm okay with it. I think that's okay 728 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: to say that he didn't have a tremendous year last 729 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: year ago. Saquon Barkley, Lamar, Josh Allen, Jamar, Chase, Patrick Mahomes. 730 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: I would probably have justin jeff higher than nine, but 731 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: nothing bothers me here. I thought the list was really accurate, 732 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: and generally I don't trust players' opinions on personnel. I 733 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: didn't have a problem with it. Again, Derrick Henry's a 734 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: little high for my taste, justin Jefferson's a little low. 735 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: By and large, I bought most of it. I think 736 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: I love Mahomes, but I think he got the best 737 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: landing spot in league history. Think about this, so he 738 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: comes into the league, doesn't have to start, gets to 739 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: sit and learn the system under the best coach in 740 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: the league offensively, Andy Reid, also as a pro bowler 741 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: and one of the more grateful and gracious players in 742 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: league history. Alex Smith as a mentor. Tyreek Hill and 743 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey are already pro bowlers right, so it's like 744 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: he had multiple weapons. The best offensive coach, ownership, stability, 745 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,760 Speaker 1: Brett Veach is a top general manager, and Alex Smith 746 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: was there for a year to teach in the ropes 747 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: and then he with that took the momentum and became 748 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: a star and deserves all of it, and he deserves credit. 749 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: The last couple of years they've been bailing water at 750 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver, you know. I mean they've just got Rashid 751 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: Rice six games suspension. There's always somebody in trouble in 752 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: the receiving corps. But I mean, in fairness to Mahomes, 753 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: Tom Brady got a good start, best defensive coach ever, 754 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: stacked defensively, did not have to win shootouts, capable run game. 755 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: Dante Scarnekia the Colts by year two as a starter, 756 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 1: got moved out of the division. He could have had 757 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: to face Peyton Manning for years. You're not getting home 758 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: bys at Peyton Manning's in your division. So I mean 759 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: Brady the same thing that Brady took advantage of it. 760 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: But they're I mean Lamar Jackson against the Ravens. Steve 761 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: Bushati maybe the best over in the league. When's the 762 00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: last time the Ravens didn't have a capable roster take 763 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: big swings. They draft and develop well. So you know, generally, 764 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: if you want to be an all time great, you 765 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: need early help. Magic got Kareem and doctor Jerry Buss, 766 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: Larry Bird got read Arbach and by I think one 767 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: year after he was there that he got Kevin McHale. 768 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: That's not the same Bird wasn't great. But Mahomes, when 769 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: you're young, I don't care if you're an attorney, a landscaper, 770 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: or a quarterback. When you're young, you're getting molded. And 771 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been a quarterback maybe Marino 772 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: with Don Shula. I don't know if there's ever been 773 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: a quarterback who had more things set moving had headed 774 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: in the right direction than Patrick Mahomes. And I didn't 775 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: think he played particularly well last year, and the overall 776 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,399 Speaker 1: I thought the list was pretty good. Albert Breer joined 777 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: us next hour. Here's Andy Reid. 778 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 8: By the way. 779 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: On Mahomes, he. 780 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 4: Feels comfortable with the guys and and so that's a 781 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 4: good part he hasn't. Yeah, I don't let anything really 782 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 4: mother them. You just full steam ahead with positive attitude. 783 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 4: That's the thing I appreciate the most. So I think 784 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 4: he's even taking it up a notch this year, and 785 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 4: he is really having ice camp. You can say he's 786 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 4: comfortable with the guys that he's playing with out there. 787 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: It is. It's not never lost on me. Look at 788 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: if something happened in this country over the last twenty years, 789 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: got it sort of ignored the Midwest. It got very coastal. 790 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: Look at the teams in the Midwest right now, there's 791 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,760 Speaker 1: a lot of good football. Green Bay could win the NFC, 792 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City could win another Super Bowl. There's a lot, 793 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of interesting stuff happening in the Midwest 794 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: in this country, would you be shocked by a Chiefs 795 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: Packer Super Bowl. One has no owner, another one has 796 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,280 Speaker 1: a great owner.