WEBVTT - #427 Jason Flom with Lamont Hunter

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and six, Lamont Hunter lived with his

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend los Milda, along with their blended family in Cincinnati, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Luzmilda's three year old son, Trustin, had been previously hospitalized

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<v Speaker 1>for what was believed to be injuries resulting from child abuse. However,

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<v Speaker 1>no charges ever materialized. Then, on January nineteenth, two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and six, Trustin was in Lamont's care when paramedics were

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<v Speaker 1>called to take Trustin again to the hospital, where he

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<v Speaker 1>passed away. Lamont told police that Trustin took a tumble

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<v Speaker 1>down the stairs, but the state's experts believed that the

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<v Speaker 1>medical evidence told a different story, that Trustin's injuries could

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<v Speaker 1>not have resulted from a fall down the stairs, but

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<v Speaker 1>rather from violent shaking coupled with forceful impact, in addition,

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<v Speaker 1>that the three year old boy may have been sexually assaulted.

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<v Speaker 1>With evidence like this, didn't take long for a three

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<v Speaker 1>judge panel to sentence Lamont Hunter to death. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is wrongful conviction. Welcome back to wrongful conviction. Today we

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<v Speaker 1>have a story of a crime that never happened, that

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in a death sentence for a man who should

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<v Speaker 1>have been given time to grieve. Laman Hunter a sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to death in the state of Ohio for a crime

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<v Speaker 1>that never happened, and here to help him tell his story.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to introduce I actually asked how she would

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<v Speaker 1>like to be introduced, and Lamon jumped right in and said,

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<v Speaker 1>just call her the amazing Aaron Barnhardt. But for context,

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<v Speaker 1>she is assistant public Defender at the Southern Ohio Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Public Defender Capital Habeas Unit. So, Aarin, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>being here, thank you for having me, and here to

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<v Speaker 1>tell his own story with this assist from Aaron and

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<v Speaker 1>myself is the man himself who survived this incredible ordeal,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mont Hunter, the Mont I'm so happy you're here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a miracle that you're here, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and Aaron, you are a big part of that miracle.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go back to your upbringing. The place that

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<v Speaker 1>you were born and where you lived has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to do with your wrongful conviction. But did you actually

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<v Speaker 1>grow up there in Hamilton County.

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio, Cincinnati. Yes, I did Hamilton County.

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<v Speaker 3>I was born in the late sixties, so I grew

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<v Speaker 3>up through the seventies and eighties, and nineties. My mother,

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<v Speaker 3>my father, hit my heroes work their fingers to the

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<v Speaker 3>bone to provide a good life for me and my siblings.

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<v Speaker 2>My childhood was amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I always say, I was fortunate to be born

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<v Speaker 3>in a family that I was born in school. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean cousins, aunts, uncles. We are all very close knit family.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I understand eventually you became a father as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>I got four biological children and two children that I raised,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have an honorary daughter, Aisha.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the kids' names, Ashley.

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<v Speaker 3>Mariah Lamont Junior, Velita, Eric, Aish and Trinity. I've been

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<v Speaker 3>instrumental in very hands on and raising all my children,

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<v Speaker 3>all six of them.

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<v Speaker 1>To support his family, Lamont worked as a roofer, but

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<v Speaker 1>also he had a side hustle sending drugs through Federal Express,

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<v Speaker 1>which landed him in federal prison. Now, drug trafficking is

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<v Speaker 1>in no way related to how Lamont ended up on

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio's death row, but his prior conviction comes up later

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<v Speaker 1>in the story. So after his stint in prison, he

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<v Speaker 1>went back to roofing and met a woman named les Milde,

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<v Speaker 1>and together they had Lamont's youngest child, Trinity, Los Milda

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<v Speaker 1>also had three boys from a previous relationship, Tyree, Tyrell,

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<v Speaker 1>and Trustin.

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<v Speaker 4>So Lamont actually didn't spend much time with trust In.

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<v Speaker 4>The little boy who died in this case, Trustan, was

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<v Speaker 4>Louis Milda's son, and because of complications with her health

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<v Speaker 4>when he was born, he was basically raised by other

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<v Speaker 4>people family friends and relatives.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Wilma Forte and Amber White.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, after she delivered Trusting, she had kidney stalls, so

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<v Speaker 3>she had immediately go back in for kidney surgery and

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<v Speaker 3>she couldn't care for Trusting. So they were loving enough

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<v Speaker 3>to take Trusting And for some reason I don't agree

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<v Speaker 3>with Luz mild on this, she just chose to let

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<v Speaker 3>him stay there. That's where Trustin lived.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Loismilda Lamont rarely took care of Trusting, and prior

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<v Speaker 1>to the two thousand and sixth incident that resulted in

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<v Speaker 1>Trustin's death, there had been some suspected abuse back in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 4>In January of two thousand and four, Lamont had been

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<v Speaker 4>carrying trust In up a flight of stairs and tripped

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<v Speaker 4>and fell on trust In and ended up breaking his

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<v Speaker 4>leg bone his tibia. At the time, his two older

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<v Speaker 4>half siblings were there, saw what happened. It was obviously

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<v Speaker 4>an accident. No one even suspected it wasn't an accident.

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<v Speaker 4>He was treated and let go. Then in June of

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<v Speaker 4>or Trustin had sort of a constellation of injuries, some swelling, scratches, rashes,

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<v Speaker 4>some other abrasions like by his lips and his ears.

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<v Speaker 4>When luiz Milda goes to change trust In's diaper, she

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<v Speaker 4>sees that it's really raw and red and irritated, luiz

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<v Speaker 4>Milda wondered if his genital swelling was a bug bite

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<v Speaker 4>or diaper rash, so she takes him to a local

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<v Speaker 4>urgent care. When they see these conditions, they end up

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<v Speaker 4>sending him to the hospital and it's treated as a

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<v Speaker 4>case of abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we'll ever know what happened to Trustan.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's probably a combination of things we found

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<v Speaker 4>in medical records that Trustin had a lot of skin

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<v Speaker 4>conditions exzema, other sort of conditions where his hair was

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<v Speaker 4>falling out, environmental stressors and things like that, and then

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<v Speaker 4>he was playing with two older, rambunctious kids. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think probably what happened was there was some combination of

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<v Speaker 4>maybe a little rough housing, maybe some irritation that trusted

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<v Speaker 4>himself elf could have scratched or irritated that resulted in

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<v Speaker 4>these conditions. No matter what happened, everyone agrees Lamont wasn't involved,

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<v Speaker 4>but these circumstances were treated as abuse, and at the

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<v Speaker 4>hospital when they did a skeletal survey an X ray,

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<v Speaker 4>they discovered that Trusten had a number of older healing

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<v Speaker 4>fractures in his hands and feet. Now, Trustin was hardly

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<v Speaker 4>ever taken care of by his mother and therefore Lamont

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<v Speaker 4>so at the time that these injuries would have been

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<v Speaker 4>dated when he sustained them. Trustin was not around either

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<v Speaker 4>Lamont or his mother. He was in the care of

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<v Speaker 4>other people, so he had lived with them right, So

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<v Speaker 4>even if these older injuries were the result of abuse,

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<v Speaker 4>it was not from Lamont or his mother.

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<v Speaker 1>No one was charged in this two thousand and four incident,

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<v Speaker 1>but child protective services were made aware and even though

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont was never even considered a suspect in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and four, the Hamilton County prosecutors raised the specter of

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing abuse while seeking the death penalty for Lamont. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 4>The death penalty information Center has a report called the

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<v Speaker 4>two Percent Report. If you look statistically, Hamilton County and

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<v Speaker 4>Kyga County in Ohio, Cleveland and Cincinnati are part of

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<v Speaker 4>the two percent of counties in the entire nation that

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<v Speaker 4>account for more than half of people on death row

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<v Speaker 4>and more than half of people who've been executed in

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<v Speaker 4>this country.

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<v Speaker 1>We've covered a lot of Ohio wrongful convictions, too many

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<v Speaker 1>to list, but we're going to link Elwood Jones and

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Lamar, both death penalty cases handled by Hamilton County

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutors in which they hid or ignored exculpatory evidence at trial,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lamont's story is no different. So let's get to that.

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<v Speaker 1>On January nineteenth, two thousand and six, tragedy struck when

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<v Speaker 1>Trustin was staying with Liz, Milda and Lamont.

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<v Speaker 2>Lois Milton.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, she get up and go to work, and about

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<v Speaker 3>a hour or two later, I get the boys up

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<v Speaker 3>to get ready for school themselves. So I get Jordan

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<v Speaker 3>and Tiree out the door on their way to school.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I got trust In in Trinity, and I get

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<v Speaker 3>trust In waited for breakfast in our living room that

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<v Speaker 3>I made him French toes, sticks and little sausage links.

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<v Speaker 3>He wanted to watch the new Jurassic Park movie, so

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<v Speaker 3>set him in a chair, put it on for him,

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<v Speaker 3>and decided to start my daily chores. I grabbed Trinity,

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<v Speaker 3>my nine month old, and I went downstairs in the

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<v Speaker 3>basement to finish doing the laundry. That's when I first

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<v Speaker 3>heard him running across the floor above me. Next thing,

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<v Speaker 3>I hear, he's coming tumbling down the stairs and hit

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<v Speaker 3>his head, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I immediately run over.

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<v Speaker 3>His head was back and his eyes were fluttering, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm scared. I just scooped him up and run up

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<v Speaker 3>the stairs. So I figured I throw some water on

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<v Speaker 3>his face to try to jug him awake, and his

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<v Speaker 3>eyes were still fluttering, so I seeing that he was

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<v Speaker 3>struggling to take a breath. I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 3>do CPR, but I attempted it, so I had to

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<v Speaker 3>open his mouth. I noticed a piece of sausage lodged

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<v Speaker 3>in the back of his mouth, blocking his airway, so

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<v Speaker 3>I got that out on my finger. I held his

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<v Speaker 3>nose and I blew in his mouth like I see

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<v Speaker 3>people do on TV. I don't know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how to do it. I'm not certified nothing, so I

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<v Speaker 3>probably blew too much in his mouth because his stomach

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<v Speaker 3>was getting bloated. I got scared, so I called his

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<v Speaker 3>mother and she immediately came home. They made a big

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<v Speaker 3>deal of this, by the way, at my trial that

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't immediately call the paramedics instead of calling his mother.

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<v Speaker 3>They thought it was something the farious, but it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just I panicked, and so paramedics got there

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<v Speaker 3>very quick and started tending to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just a mess.

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<v Speaker 4>The dog is running around parking.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I could never prove this, but I know my dog,

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<v Speaker 3>when I left the room, tried to take his food

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<v Speaker 3>from him while he was sitting in that chair. I

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<v Speaker 3>believe that's what prompted Trusting to run across that.

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<v Speaker 1>Floor, and that might explain why he ended up with

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of food lodge in his throat.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, the sausage, and I know my dog was harassing

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<v Speaker 3>for it. But they get Trusting in the ambulance and

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<v Speaker 3>Lumilda gets in the ambulance with him, and me and

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<v Speaker 3>Trinity we followed them to the emergency room at Children's.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how my day started. January nineteenth, two thousand and six.

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<v Speaker 4>Trustin had head injuries that were fatal. He had blood

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<v Speaker 4>trapped between the layers of his brain, which they call

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<v Speaker 4>subdural hematoma. And then his brain also swelled, which is

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<v Speaker 4>what happens anytime there's any sort of injury or trauma

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<v Speaker 4>to the brain, they call it cerebral edema. And anytime

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<v Speaker 4>your brain swells, that also puts pressure on your optic

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<v Speaker 4>nerve and results in rental hemorrhages, so bleeding on the

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<v Speaker 4>back of your eye.

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<v Speaker 1>And by now our listeners are familiar with these findings

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<v Speaker 1>as what are commonly associated with the grotesque junk science

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution theory known as shaken baby syndrome. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have our shaken baby syndrome episode of wraeful conviction junk

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<v Speaker 1>science length as well. For years, the theory was widely

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<v Speaker 1>accepted across the medical establishment that the presentation of these

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<v Speaker 1>three things could mean only one thing, that the infant

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<v Speaker 1>or toddler had been shaken to death by their most

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<v Speaker 1>recent caretaker, denying any other potential or even probable causes.

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<v Speaker 1>But over time this theory has gradually fallen apart.

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<v Speaker 4>And this field has been very nimble because anytime someone shows, well,

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<v Speaker 4>guess what this person, we know it was an accident,

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<v Speaker 4>and they show these injuries, and then they say like, oh, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 4>first of all, we're not going to call it shaking baby,

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<v Speaker 4>because they did experiments. They had big beefy football players

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<v Speaker 4>shake a crash test dummy baby, and they could not

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<v Speaker 4>generate the type of force needed to cause the brain

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<v Speaker 4>injuries without breaking the child's neck. And so they said, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so maybe shaking alone can't cause it, So shaking with impact,

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<v Speaker 4>that's what we'll say, shaking with impact. So we won't

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<v Speaker 4>call it shaken baby. We'll call it abusive head trauma.

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<v Speaker 4>And they just keep morphing and adapting to whatever fits.

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<v Speaker 1>No matter what has been revealed through biomechanical studies and

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<v Speaker 1>a confluence of medical histories that proved that in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to accidental causes like a fall down the stairs, there

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<v Speaker 1>are eighty one pre existing medical conditions and counting that

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<v Speaker 1>can cause the presentation of those findings. And yet there

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<v Speaker 1>are still proponents of this theory that refused to admit

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<v Speaker 1>that limiting the cause to shaking alone is an unscientific

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<v Speaker 1>leap in logic. And so in two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>even though some of the medical establishment had begun to

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<v Speaker 1>realize the problem with this theory, including the neuroscientists who

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<v Speaker 1>had developed it. The state's witnesses attributed Trustin's triad of

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<v Speaker 1>findings to shaking and any other injuries, including a sheared

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<v Speaker 1>vertebrae and what appeared to be an impact injury, to

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<v Speaker 1>further violence. Lamount was arrested on January twenty second, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, three days after Trusten's death, and he

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<v Speaker 1>has taken a trial in June two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 4>The prosecutor, through their child abuse pedatrician witnesses, said these

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<v Speaker 4>kinds of injuries could not have come from a fall

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<v Speaker 4>down the stairs. It had to have been abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>We only see these kinds of injuries from forces like

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<v Speaker 4>in a car accident or maybe LaMotte swung trusting around

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<v Speaker 4>like a base ball bag. You know, that's what have

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<v Speaker 4>caused it, but not from falling down the stairs. And

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<v Speaker 4>then in addition, Trusten had some injuries in his anal

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<v Speaker 4>rectal era. He had three puncture wounds in his rectal mucosa,

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<v Speaker 4>so kind of up in his rectum. There were three

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<v Speaker 4>wounds I think they were about two millimeters in diameter,

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<v Speaker 4>and then kind of on the outside lip of his anus.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not entirely clear if it's a tear or a cut.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't that accurately described, and so those injuries were

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<v Speaker 4>used to support a charge of rape.

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<v Speaker 1>As we'll explain later, there was a completely innocent explanation

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<v Speaker 1>for those anal and rectal injuries, yet the child abuse

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<v Speaker 1>pediatrician painted a completely different picture.

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<v Speaker 4>The child abuse pediatrician did say that the injuries were

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<v Speaker 4>consistent with an adult penis. Now that's the magic word, right, consistent,

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<v Speaker 4>which I think a lot of fact finders here and

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<v Speaker 4>think that means a match, but it doesn't at all.

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<v Speaker 4>It just means we can't exclude it as the cause.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what adult penis is two millimeters in diameter.

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<v Speaker 4>So macrof is only talking about the external injury kind

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<v Speaker 4>of along the edge of the anus. She never saw

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<v Speaker 4>the internal injuries, the puncture wounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the child abuse pediatrician did not have a full

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of the injuries, which may explain why the coroner,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Gretel Stevens, true different conclusions.

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<v Speaker 4>What the coroner said was that it looked like the

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<v Speaker 4>interior wounds were like poked with something sharp like maybe

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<v Speaker 4>a pencil, and the prosecutors argued at trial that this

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't penile rape, but this was rape with some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of object.

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<v Speaker 1>While that explanation is still incorrect, at least doctor Stevens's

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<v Speaker 1>assumptions were more grounded in reality. However, the investigation failed

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<v Speaker 1>to find any such object or any efforts to cover

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<v Speaker 1>up that kind of crime. Doctor Stevens also acknowledged the

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<v Speaker 1>evolving science on shaking baby syndrome, saying that a rotational

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<v Speaker 1>fall would be consistent with the shearing of the neck

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<v Speaker 1>that trust And experienced, and that stairfalls are responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>the kinds of findings that were present in trust and situation.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's the thing, like doctor Stevens pretty much was

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<v Speaker 4>a straight shooter at trial, and it was just the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that she hadn't seen the photographs of the actual

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<v Speaker 4>staircase to know that there was a ledge abutting one

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<v Speaker 4>side of the stairs that kind of mashed up with

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<v Speaker 4>some injuries that she saw. There was also a throw

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<v Speaker 4>rug if he had slipped on, that may have contributed.

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<v Speaker 4>She didn't know that Lamont had reported hearing trust and running.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition, the coroner was unaware of the innocent explanation

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<v Speaker 1>for these anal and rectal injuries. So since neither one

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<v Speaker 1>of the state's experts had a full picture of the incident, this,

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<v Speaker 1>along with Lamont's ineffective council, allowed the state's erroneous narrative

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<v Speaker 1>to take hold.

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<v Speaker 4>Lamont's child counsel, Clyde Bennett is the attorney's is not

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<v Speaker 4>a bad criminal defense attorney. He's actually pretty well known

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<v Speaker 4>as a good criminal defense attorney. But there are a

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<v Speaker 4>couple things that just weren't going to work in Lamont's case.

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<v Speaker 4>Number One, a death penalty case is different, a dead

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<v Speaker 4>kid is different, and you can't just kind of rely

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<v Speaker 4>on your old tricks and techniques in this kind of case.

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<v Speaker 4>Number two, this is a case where the evidence is

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<v Speaker 4>all based on medical expert testimony. The evidence is the

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<v Speaker 4>state expert coming in and saying you can only get

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<v Speaker 4>these injuries from abuse, period, And his trial council did

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<v Speaker 4>not hire an expert, not only not to testify or

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<v Speaker 4>just even to consult with an expert to explain the

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<v Speaker 4>medical records to him, to explain the flaws in the

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<v Speaker 4>state experts testimony and reasoning. He said he thought that

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<v Speaker 4>he could just rely on cross examination, and his theory

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<v Speaker 4>was that this chadabe'see pediatrician. She's not qualified to be

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<v Speaker 4>talking about retinal hemorrhages. She's not an ophthalmologist, she's not

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<v Speaker 4>qualified to be talking about the mechanism of injury. She

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't have a degree in biomechanics or anything. Now, this

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<v Speaker 4>is all true. The problem was when he made that objection,

0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.600
<v Speaker 4>the court overruled it, and he had no plan B.

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<v Speaker 4>So when that didn't work, he was left to just

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<v Speaker 4>kind of on his own try to cross examine, and

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<v Speaker 4>he knew enough to be dangerous, and so he's asking

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<v Speaker 4>questions about stuff that's not relevant. Like he's trying to say,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't it true that you could have a delayed onset

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<v Speaker 4>of injury? And that is true sometimes, except for that's

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<v Speaker 4>not what happened in Tresten's case. We know what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>He fell down the stairs and was immediately unresponsive, so

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<v Speaker 4>that line of questioning was completely irrelevant. Also, he didn't

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<v Speaker 4>hire an expert to look through the medical records, and

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<v Speaker 4>he didn't look through the records himself.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Lamont would have been better off with his

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<v Speaker 1>original court appointed attorney, not I mean much better off

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<v Speaker 1>because it turns out that mister Bennett was more than

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit distracted at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true, he was a little distracted with his own

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<v Speaker 4>legal troubles. Mister Bennett himself was being investigated for some

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<v Speaker 4>pretty serious federal crimes, and in fact, shortly after Lamont

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<v Speaker 4>was sentenced to death, he signed his own plea agreement

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<v Speaker 4>and turned himself into federal custody and went away to

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<v Speaker 4>federal prison. He pled to structured deposits, so depositing money

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<v Speaker 4>just under the reporting limit.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbeknownst to Lamont, Clyde Bennett was connected to a major

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<v Speaker 1>drug dealer out of Dayton, Ohio, both of whom were

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<v Speaker 1>subjects of a federal investigation that ended in cooperation and

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<v Speaker 1>a plea deal for Clyde. Meanwhile, in Lamont's trial, Clyde

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<v Speaker 1>neglected to prepare the vital medical expert testimony, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as advised Lamont to take a bench trial in front

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<v Speaker 1>of a three judge panel, reasoning that a jury might

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<v Speaker 1>be susceptible to the emotion surrounding a dead child.

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<v Speaker 4>Turns out, so are three judge panels.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, especially when we know for sure that this judge

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<v Speaker 3>who's now passed on. Norbert Natl told Clyde Bennett and

0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.000
<v Speaker 3>his chambers it wouldn't be wise for him to bring

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<v Speaker 3>me in front of him on a bench trial because

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<v Speaker 3>I lose, and he still advised me not to have

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<v Speaker 3>a jury.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, the advantage of not having a jury is that

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<v Speaker 4>you can save a lot of time because you don't

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<v Speaker 4>have to go through vaidir and get a death qualified jury.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, Clyde took a flat fee from Lamont's family,

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<v Speaker 4>so it's just economical to make the trial go as

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<v Speaker 4>fast as possible, and so great way to cut down

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<v Speaker 4>on time is to wave jury.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds to me like the judge actually was telling

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<v Speaker 1>him if you do this, you're going to lose, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was like great. I mean, I'm glad you're laughing

0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot, because you know, sometimes I feel like I'm

0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.120
<v Speaker 1>laughing from crying. Where you lived through this, I say, what.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing I've been doing in society. Oh my god,

0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.040
<v Speaker 3>I've been laughing to keep from crying. Man, it's just

0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.159
<v Speaker 3>so much trauma on this journey, man, It's just a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of trauma.

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<v Speaker 1>So this bench troul played out exactly as this judge

0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.560
<v Speaker 1>told Lamont's attorney, it would.

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<v Speaker 4>It was pretty easy for them to convict because all

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:27.400
<v Speaker 4>of the state's expert testimony was entirely unrebutted. So they

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<v Speaker 4>have these experts from the state saying this had to

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<v Speaker 4>be abuse, There is no way this could have come

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<v Speaker 4>from a fall down the stairs. And then on top

0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.159
<v Speaker 4>of that, they had the state saying, and look at

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<v Speaker 4>all this other suspicious stuff, injuries in his anal rectal era,

0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.359
<v Speaker 4>these injuries in the past when Lamont was around trust In.

0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.520
<v Speaker 3>After conviction, Clyde Bennett pops up in the jail on

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<v Speaker 3>a Sunday, and I'm pissed at this point. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you doing here? And he just said, man,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I just wanted to come and ask you

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<v Speaker 3>how our federal prisons, how are they ran, what it's

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<v Speaker 3>like in federal prison. I'm looking at him, like, what

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<v Speaker 3>does that have to do with my case? He said, well,

0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 3>he's well, I know you've been in federal prison before,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm going there. I'm fighting for my own life, Lamont,

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<v Speaker 3>so I just wanted to know how these federal prisons.

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<v Speaker 3>I walked off on him and went back to my sale. Man,

0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.600
<v Speaker 3>I was done with him. At the time, so all

0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:23.760
<v Speaker 3>hope was lost at that point. I was convicted and

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<v Speaker 3>then mitigation where you have to get the most closest

0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.800
<v Speaker 3>loving person in your life. They had to literally beg

0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.560
<v Speaker 3>the courts to save my life. It was humiliating for

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<v Speaker 3>me and my family, and it didn't work, so they

0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.600
<v Speaker 3>were dug in. So I still got sentenced to death.

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<v Speaker 3>And my father, who I have a lot of love

0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:48.040
<v Speaker 3>and respect for, he's actually my hero. I after getting

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<v Speaker 3>on a standing testifying and asking the course to save

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<v Speaker 3>my life and telling the story that he did about

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<v Speaker 3>me and growing up with my siblings, he had a

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<v Speaker 3>heart attack right there in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a heart attack right there in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Right in the courtroom. Ambulance was called.

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.360
<v Speaker 3>They saved his life there, but he had a heart

0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.399
<v Speaker 3>attack right in the courtroom. They never got talked about

0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:11.959
<v Speaker 3>in the media or nothing like that. They was too

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:15.919
<v Speaker 3>busy calling me a monster and a child rapist. And

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<v Speaker 3>my father he's no longer with us. He died in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eighteen before I got home, but from that day

0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:44.040
<v Speaker 3>his health just declined. Since to death, isolated away from

0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.760
<v Speaker 3>general population, there's no programming set up for us back

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 3>there it's just mundane and waking up every day knowing

0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.240
<v Speaker 3>that your name is on a list to be executed.

0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:58.200
<v Speaker 3>The State of Ohio intents on executing you. And that's

0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:02.119
<v Speaker 3>like having a gorilla constantly on your shoulders, weighing you down.

0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.560
<v Speaker 3>And this is it from far as you can see.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it every day? It's like the same day. The

0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:10.800
<v Speaker 3>first year I was there, I was still in the haze.

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:14.360
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know what to expect as far as the courts.

0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 3>I've never appealed the sentence before, so I was, of

0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 3>course jaden and kind of paranoid of my attorneys after

0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.080
<v Speaker 3>coming through the whrror show of the trial that I

0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 3>went through and being served up by my trial attorney, like, well,

0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:29.439
<v Speaker 3>what's going to happen at this phase.

0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:33.840
<v Speaker 4>Although Lamont had pretty capable post conviction attorneys from the

0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:38.399
<v Speaker 4>Ohio Public Defender's Office, unfortunately they couldn't get any traction

0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:42.600
<v Speaker 4>in state court, which is not uncommon. But their claims

0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 4>that they raised were not that different than what we

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 4>raised in our federal habeas petition. The problem is they

0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:52.400
<v Speaker 4>didn't have access to the evidence they needed. They asked

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<v Speaker 4>for discovery to get the medical records to depose the coroner,

0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:57.920
<v Speaker 4>just like we did, and it was all denied.

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<v Speaker 1>As we've mentioned a trial, both states experts Macaroff and

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<v Speaker 1>Stevens have been operating with incomplete understandings of the incident. Additionally,

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Makarov had ignored the evolving science on sbs, which continued

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>through post conviction, even as the science continued to evolve

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>further and further away from her position.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctor Macaroff, she's doubling down on everything as everyone in

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:26.399
<v Speaker 4>her sort of little industry has to do. This is

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:31.400
<v Speaker 4>what makes this field so dangerous and unscientific, is the

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 4>feedback loop that exists. During our deposition, doctor Macroff cited

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:40.120
<v Speaker 4>an article about stairfalls, saying, look, we know stairfalls aren't

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 4>fatal because we draw this data from different hospitals. All

0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:46.199
<v Speaker 4>these kids come in after falling down the stairs and

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.720
<v Speaker 4>they didn't die. And I said, okay, I said, would

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.919
<v Speaker 4>trust In's case be included in that data set? And

0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:53.480
<v Speaker 4>she said, well, what do you mean? I said, well,

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 4>is his case classified as a stairfall because you guys

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 4>don't believe mister Hunter that he fell down the stairs, right,

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 4>And she was like, oh, that's a good point. They're

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<v Speaker 4>self selecting the data they're using to draw the conclusions

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 4>that they used to exclude the data that they don't want.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they say that, you know, these are so rare,

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<v Speaker 4>and I agree. You know, most kids who tumble down

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 4>the stairs don't die from it. But that doesn't mean

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 4>that it's impossible, which is what they say to put

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:25.400
<v Speaker 4>people on death row. And just because something is rare

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 4>doesn't mean that they know which is the rare case

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:32.239
<v Speaker 4>and which isn't. So there's all this bad science that

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 4>goes into it. The thing that actually is scientific about

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 4>this would be biomechanics, right force Chawdabez. Pediatricians don't think

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 4>biomechanics have any place in their world. And when doctor Macroff,

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 4>she says, I didn't say lamont abuse trust in. I

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 4>just said that his report does not match the mechanism

0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 4>of injury. And I said, well, when you're talking about

0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 4>the mechanism of injury, that kind of sounds like force.

0:25:57.720 --> 0:25:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 4>Oh, no, I'm not a physicist. Biomechanics doesn't fit there

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 4>or whatever. I don't know how, right, I don't know

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:07.640
<v Speaker 4>how you can talk about a mechanism without using biomechanics. Anyway,

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 4>we did hire a biold mechanical engineer, and we went

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 4>to the site and he took measurements of the stairs

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 4>and the elasticity of the surface, and he used a

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 4>computer program and he put in the height that Trusten

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.160
<v Speaker 4>was and his weight and the average that a child

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 4>his age could run, and you know, ran through all

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.199
<v Speaker 4>these different scenarios of how he could have fallen and

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.879
<v Speaker 4>showed that, like the forces generated were well within the

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 4>range that have been shown to be enough to generate

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 4>the kind of injuries that he had. So absolutely stair

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.439
<v Speaker 4>falls can cause this. And also now with cell phones

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 4>and security cameras, like, people have started capturing injuries that

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:53.439
<v Speaker 4>otherwise would have been indicted as abuse if we didn't

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 4>have proof that it was actually accidental. And doctor Macaroff claims.

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>It even that could be doctors, even that could be doctored.

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 4>She maybe would have to see it with her own

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 4>eyes to be convinced, and so you know, there's just

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 4>no pleasing the child abuse pediatricians.

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>However, the defense was able to please the coroner, doctor Stevens,

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 1>when they provided a fuller picture of the incident, including

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 1>photographs of the staircase. A biomechanical expert and finally, the

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>innocent explanation for the anal and rectal injuries that were

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>available to prosecutors, the state's experts, and even la Mons

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 1>attorney at the trial. Had he even bothered to look.

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 4>He would have found, like our investigator Pam Swanson did

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 4>when we took over the case, notations in the medical

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 4>records that staff at the hospital in the pic you

0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 4>had attempted to take Trusten's temperature three times with a

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 4>rectal thermometer had been unsuccessful, and immediately after that had

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:55.439
<v Speaker 4>noted blood in his rectum, which of course perfectly matches

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 4>up with the three puncture wounds that the coroner identified

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 4>and said could have been caused by something sharp like

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 4>a pencil. And in fact, and in another piece of

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:09.119
<v Speaker 4>undisclosed evidence, the coroner even told detectives that she couldn't

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 4>rule out a temperature probe as the cause of this. Now,

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 4>nobody turned that over to Lamont at trial, and the

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 4>prosecutor didn't ask the coroner that question, but he did

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 4>ask the child abuse pediatrician at trial if Trustan's injuries

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.240
<v Speaker 4>could have been caused by a thermometer, and she said no.

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 4>When we deposed the coroner and showed her these records,

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 4>she immediately changed her opinion on the cause of those injuries.

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 4>She still said it was non accidental, but it was

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 4>inflicted medically, not as an assault. For me, I saw

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 4>that and felt like I was just shouting into the void.

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 4>For years after that, nobody seemed to care about it

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 4>until the coroner did. But I was like, people, this

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 4>is it, Like this explains.

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 3>Everything, because that was a huge void in my defense.

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was a huge gap because nobody could explain I.

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Never could explain the rape to the time we found

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.959
<v Speaker 3>that in the record, I couldn't not explain the rape.

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't rape me, So.

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>These idiots couldn't even figure out the three pokes with

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>the thermometer were what caused what otherwise sounded like an

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>awful thing that was done to this child, Right.

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, that's the really troubling thing is that I

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 4>think nobody looked at these records, including doctor Stevens. You know,

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 4>at the time, had she she would have learned things

0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 4>about the scene that would have explained the mechanism of injury,

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 4>plus the findings about the anal and rectal injuries, and

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 4>so then, like she did her deposition when we showed

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 4>them to her, she would have changed her opinion not

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 4>only about the injuries that supported the rape, but also

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 4>about the cause of death, that it was not a

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 4>homicide and his trial attorney is just as much to blame.

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 1>So in addition to the Brady violations, this was also

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>a clear case of ineffective assistance of counsel as well.

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 4>When we went back to our judge in federal court judgment,

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 4>Michael Watson, with the deposition testimony from Clyde, he kind of,

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 4>in his opinion, went through all the things he didn't do,

0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, didn't hire experts, didn't talk to witnesses, didn't

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 4>look at the records, blah blah blah. And then the

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 4>way he put it was he appeared to settle on

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 4>his strategy of not using an expert, not as a

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 4>result of a strategic investigation, but rather in lieu of one,

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 4>which is kind of the classic definition of being an

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 4>effective lawyer. You know, like all these people participate in

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 4>a process that could result in a man's execution, and

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 4>that there's so little you know, I mean plenty of time.

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 4>I think there's outright misconduct and malicious intent, and I

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 4>think there's some of that here with the Brady evidence,

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 4>the withheld evidence that we saw, but a lot of

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 4>other is I think just in competence, a lack of thoroughness.

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 4>I don't know that might even be worse, because you know,

0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 4>you care so little about being careful in.

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Case, it was such magnitude as a person's life.

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Right with proceeding so fraught with constitutional violations and convincing

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>evidence of innocence. The Hamilton County Prosecutor's office joined Lamont's

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 1>motion for a new trial in April twenty twenty three,

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 1>but this didn't mean that they were finally seeking justice

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>for Lamont.

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 4>After Lamont had a new trial and we are trying

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 4>to get him out on bond, the prosecutor's office ran

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 4>to the coroner's office and got the other pathologists in

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 4>the office to issue this addendum to the original autopsy

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 4>report that basically just says, like, we think the coroner

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 4>was wrong to change her opinion under oath and the deposition.

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 4>We do think that this should still be a homicide

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 4>and still be a rape with zero explanation. And then

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 4>those pathologists refused to talk to us without the prosecutors

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 4>being present. It just became so obvious to us that

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 4>I believe the Hamilton County Coroner's Office, there's supposed to

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 4>be neutral experts guided by science, considers itself an arm

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 4>of the prosecutor's office.

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>So while Lamont was still trying to get out on

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.239
<v Speaker 1>bond and the lead up to his new trial, the

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>prosecutor's office began to apply pressure.

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>And here comes to please offer.

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 4>Basically, Lamont had this pressure of stay here in jail

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 4>for at least another year, or take a plea and

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 4>get out time served. Lamont could walk out the door. Well,

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 4>we decided to fight it and ask for bond, and

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 4>the prosecutors fought dirty. Basically had to go through a

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 4>little mini trial where they are allowed to summarize their

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.719
<v Speaker 4>case by presenting evidence, including evidence that wasn't even presented

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 4>at trial the first time, so stuff that isn't tested

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 4>in any way, but just allegations. We were able to

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 4>beat them there. The judge ruled that they hadn't met

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 4>their burden to keep him locked up. But then the

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 4>bond was five hundred thousand dollars, which he would have

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 4>needed to get fifty thousand dollars together cash to meet it.

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Would have been very hard which we couldn't do.

0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean, so that was one problem. And then the

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 4>other problem was the prosecutor convinced the judge to order

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 4>no contact for Lamont with anyone under eighteen, so that

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 4>meant all of his nine grandchildren eight at the time.

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>And went on the way.

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, he wouldn't be able to meet them.

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 3>My children was in the courtroom when they asked for that,

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 3>and just seeing them cry, man, and they want me

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 3>to meet their kids so bad, and I want to

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 3>meet my grandchildren so bad.

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 2>They're right there.

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 3>That's when you know the decision was firmly made that

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm taking his plea agreement.

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like the prosecutor, Seth Tiger, was just trying

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to have it both ways.

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 4>You're saying that he's so dangerous and such a monster

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 4>that you don't think you should be led at at all.

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 4>But you've offered him a plea, and if he agrees

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 4>to that, he walks out of the door today with

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 4>no conditions at all, no conditions, which is what he

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 4>ended up doing.

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Lamont took the plea for time served, which also meant

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>that he's not eligible for state compensation regardless. He was

0:33:56.760 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>finally free after sixteen long years in fifteenth twenty twenty.

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 3>Three, one of the best days of my life, mind too,

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 3>on Aaron's birthday, by the way, and ironically I was

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 3>convicted on her birthday as well, sixteen years earlier. Aaron

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 3>had already told me it's a bank of cameras and

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.880
<v Speaker 3>reporters out there, so be prepared when you walk through

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 3>the door. One of the questions was how are you

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 3>feeling getting your freedom back? And my answer then and

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 3>today is still the same. Imagine feeling all of the

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 3>emotions anger, stress, joy and relief, frustration, all of those

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:36.279
<v Speaker 3>emotions at the same time. I'm still going through it,

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 3>trying to figure it out.

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:37.439
<v Speaker 2>Man.

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 3>It's been amazing though, and I actually got a good

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 3>start on everything too. Got my driver's license, my cousin

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 3>gave me a vehicle. I got a job rather quickly.

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 3>It took a little longer for me to get in

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 3>an apartment. I have to go in for a full

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 3>knee replacement surgery because O the writer is on set

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 3>in on it, bone on bone, so I haven't been

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:02.959
<v Speaker 3>able to work. That is frustrating. So I'm just trying

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 3>to figure things out. Aaron set up a GoFundMe page

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 3>that's been helping a little bit.

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're hoping our audience can help out a whole

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 1>bunch more, and who knows how long it's going to

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 1>be till Lemon is on his feet again. So if

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 1>you have a few bucks, a few thousand bucks, a

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 1>few million bucks laid around, whatever you can spare, and

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.279
<v Speaker 1>you want to help this man who has already been

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>through so much, we're going to have the GoFundMe linked

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 1>in the episode description along with Lamon's LinkedIn page. He's

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>begun public speaking and he's a great speaker, so if

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 1>anyone's interested, I'm sure he'd be very happy to have

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>work that's not as physically demanding as the job he

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 1>was able to find before the surgery. And with that,

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 1>we're going to go to closing arguments, where first of all,

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to thank Aaron and Lamont, both of you

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 1>so much for joining us today. And now I'm just

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>going to do what I do best. I'm going to

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.279
<v Speaker 1>kick back in my chair, turn off my microphone, leave

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 1>my headphones on, close my eyes, and just listen to

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:00.879
<v Speaker 1>anything you feel is left to be said. So let's

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>start with you Erin, and then just tan the mic

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 1>off to Lamont and Lamont, you take us out into

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the sunset.

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 4>Nothing like this happens without the help of a village,

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 4>and that's certainly true in Lamont's case. In our office,

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 4>attorneys Tasiplesio and Justin Thompson, we're also on Lamont's team.

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 4>I mentioned Pam Swanson. She's retired now, but she's the

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 4>investigator that kick things off. And then our paralegal, extraordinary

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 4>Shannon Flammer.

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, yes, who runs.

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 4>The office and is really the backbone of everything. Was

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.239
<v Speaker 4>absolutely wonderful. But I honestly don't know if there's a

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 4>single person in the Capitol habeous unit who didn't help

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 4>in some way with Lamont's case. And that includes a

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:45.880
<v Speaker 4>lot of our law student externs who helped us with

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 4>research and writing, people helped with site checking, just brainstorming

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 4>figuring out how to approach this crazy developments in the case,

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 4>especially when the Supreme Court is changing the law on

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 4>what we're allowed to present in the state court and

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 4>federal court, you know, as it's going on, you know.

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 4>And then he had post conviction attorneys Melissa Jackson and

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 4>Kim Rigby at the Ohio Public Defender's Office, who fought

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 4>valiantly and kept hitting a brick wall, but stayed supportive

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.919
<v Speaker 4>of Lamont. And then we are just so grateful for

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<v Speaker 4>al Gerhartstein, who's been so supportive and brought on some

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<v Speaker 4>amazing attorneys to help us in state court, Sarah Jelsonino

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<v Speaker 4>and Elizabeth Bonham and Marcus Siddodi. They really made an

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<v Speaker 4>awesome team. And then Kate Jutson, who's the executive director

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<v Speaker 4>at the Center for Integrity of Forensic Sciences, helped with

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<v Speaker 4>in particular her expertise in shaking baby science and abuse

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<v Speaker 4>of head trauma. Finally, I think a big part of

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<v Speaker 4>Lamont's success has been his family. As he's mentioned, I

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<v Speaker 4>think he has maybe one of the most supportive families

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<v Speaker 4>that I've ever seen. It's been a real privilege to

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<v Speaker 4>have Lamont and his family trust me with his life

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<v Speaker 4>and with his case, because it's pretty scary, especially it's

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<v Speaker 4>so complicated and technical and you don't know what's going on,

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<v Speaker 4>and they let me into their home to explain things,

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<v Speaker 4>and we're patient as I explained why we need to

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<v Speaker 4>be patient and why it takes so long and that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So one of the things I talk about, especially when

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<v Speaker 3>talking to the law students, is about, you know, how

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<v Speaker 3>to try your best to meet your client where they are,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, intellectually, emotionally if you could. Because I just

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<v Speaker 3>had an attorney asked me, you know, after doing the

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<v Speaker 3>talk up there, she said, what could I do better?

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<v Speaker 3>I have a kind of a guarded client. You know

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying that I can't seem to get through too,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and he don't trust me. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>my recommendation, this is what worked for me and my family.

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<v Speaker 3>It might not work for everybody. If you could pinpoint

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<v Speaker 3>somebody in his family or trusted a friend or something

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<v Speaker 3>who he listens to and try to get through to

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<v Speaker 3>that person and let that person be the liaison or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you can, you know, get a better working relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with your client. You know, Aaron took the time, Aaron

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<v Speaker 3>justin to you. They took the time to explain the

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<v Speaker 3>process going forward when Aaron first came on my case,

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<v Speaker 3>when we first met each other, and it was very effective.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what other attorneys do with their clients,

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<v Speaker 3>but Aaron took the necessary time literally explain what to

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<v Speaker 3>expect going forward and to relate the same information to

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<v Speaker 3>my family through a liaison which we chose to be

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<v Speaker 3>my sister Debbie, who has been amazing in this process

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<v Speaker 3>as well as keeping me straight when I give Aaron

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<v Speaker 3>problems and have phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Calls and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a whole village, like Aaron just mentioned, on

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<v Speaker 3>both sides, it's just it takes a village, man.

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