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Speaker 1: Welcome to jack zam Ka, Nannie Stevens here, Brian Sexton,

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Speaker 1: John Oser coming to you live from Hertfordshire, England. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to those in Jacksonville. Afternoon here in the UK.

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Speaker 1: But we're getting ready for another London matchup at Wembley,

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Speaker 1: so we're going to get into our big things for

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Speaker 1: you today, brought to you by GEAJ Government Employees Health Association.

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Speaker 1: The first big thing is away we go, because the

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Speaker 1: way we go. We left early this week to get

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Speaker 1: out here practice early. It's a little bit different than

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Speaker 1: traditionally maybe the team has done at certain points. We've

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Speaker 1: been playing two games here in London the past couple

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Speaker 1: of years. But Liam Cohen talked a little bit about

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Speaker 1: what went into the decision making.

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Speaker 2: It was just something that when we talked about in

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Speaker 2: the off season that this could be a possible opportunity

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Speaker 2: for a new everything to maybe be together for an

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Speaker 2: extended period of time. It just so happens. I told

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Speaker 2: the team that what a perfect time for this to

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Speaker 2: come up, that we're coming off of a tough loss

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Speaker 2: and we've got to face a little adversity as a team. Well,

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Speaker 2: now we're together for an extended period of time in

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Speaker 2: a new setting, in a different place. Obviously, this organization

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Speaker 2: has had a lot of familiarity with making this trip

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Speaker 2: and I think our ops travel, everybody that is involved

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Speaker 1: So obviously the location isn't new. We stay at the

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Speaker 1: Grove every year, but coming early, I know the team

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Speaker 1: has done both throughout the years. Brian but Lia Cohen said,

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Speaker 1: you know that when they went through all the logistics,

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Speaker 1: they wanted to kind of get out here early, get established,

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Speaker 3: But two things stand out.

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Speaker 4: When they would go on Thursday night, land on Friday

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Speaker 4: practice and practice Saturday, they talked about getting you know

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Speaker 4: that feeling back, feeling.

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Speaker 3: Good on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, coming early gives you a chance to feel good

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Speaker 4: by the time you get to the practice field a

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Speaker 4: little bit later today. And the other thing is, and

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Speaker 4: you guys probably notice this too. You know, we get

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Speaker 4: going through training camp in the preseason and there's people

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Speaker 4: that we don't know all that well that we haven't

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Speaker 4: met on a new staff, players and support staff, and

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Speaker 4: you know, at breakfast this morning, I was talking to

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Speaker 4: somebody that I had really never.

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Speaker 3: Talked to or met didn't know what they did.

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Speaker 4: So there's something to that waking up and walking down

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Speaker 4: to breakfast and saying good morning where you normally wouldn't

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Speaker 4: and being around people and getting to know them a

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Speaker 4: little bit better. And when you consider we're in week

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Speaker 4: seven of this brand new program, there's some value to that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, nobody will tell you that it's not a good

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Speaker 5: camaraderie experience for the team. The only way it wouldn't

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Speaker 5: be is that they didn't like each other, and you

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Speaker 5: don't get this idea from this team at all. I

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Speaker 5: think Liam also this week, really wants to take some

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Speaker 5: time in practice and really work on the penalties, really

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Speaker 5: emphasize that. I don't know how much it's gonna be

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Speaker 5: emphasized when you're sitting around the rooms talking to each other,

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Speaker 5: but having everybody in one place, one focus, maybe a

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Speaker 5: touch of a training camp feel, maybe the message will

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Speaker 1: It's like a big thing today is staying put because

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Speaker 1: while the team traveled on an overnight flight on Monday,

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Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd, who was dealing with a calf injury, didn't

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Speaker 1: make the trip out here, which obviously has been having

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Speaker 1: a tremendous beginning to this season. John, when you're looking

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Speaker 1: there is this concern long term.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think it's a concern long term. I

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Speaker 5: think what you're looking at. And Brian, you and I

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Speaker 5: thank you talking about earlier in the week. Now you're

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Speaker 5: Devin Lloyd down, Written Strange down, Quinton Morris, who's the

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Speaker 5: Trayvon Walker full effectiveness, you were down Robert Hainsey the

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Speaker 5: other night. And I know it's questions ago about Devin. Sorry,

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Speaker 5: but you're in a situation where that's four or five

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Speaker 5: well to get to the buy somehow get through this one,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me in just to see where Hainesy is.

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Speaker 4: Obviously we heard good things about what Jodan Bnheim did

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Speaker 4: the offense. Again, especially against a team like Seattle that

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Speaker 4: talked about your playmaker on defense and five takeaways. Ventro

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Speaker 4: Miller comes in and he's very good against the run.

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Speaker 4: There's no drop off, But he's not going to be

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Speaker 4: the guy who gets your sacks in interceptions and forced

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Speaker 4: fumbles and things like that. I mean, maybe he grabs

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Speaker 4: you look at a team like San Francisco and they

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Speaker 4: lose Nick Bosa early, and they lost Fred Warner this week,

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Speaker 4: do you have any doubt that they'll find a way

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Speaker 3: That's what this team has to do.

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Speaker 4: They've got to play well and execute their assignment and

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Speaker 4: find a way, as John mentioned, just to get to

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Speaker 4: the bye week.

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Speaker 5: And except for Lloyd, really talking about some guys who

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Speaker 5: are sort of subtly very you know, I think Trayvon's

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Speaker 5: the best player on defense, and I think Brent Strange

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Speaker 5: is the best player on offense. But nationally people don't

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Speaker 5: look at them and say, oh, the Jaguars are really

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Speaker 5: injured because having those two guys down, plus your playmaker

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Speaker 5: Devin plus Hainsey, this is the attrition time and after

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Speaker 5: this week if they win, what's ever being to say, Oh,

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Speaker 5: the buy is coming in a good time, right, so

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Speaker 5: you can get healthy. But they got to get through

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Speaker 4: The other side, what Trayvon is is, you know what,

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Speaker 4: from what I've been told, that club is going to

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Speaker 4: be on for a month, which means that by the

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Speaker 4: of the bi week, perhaps he can be working from

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Speaker 4: a splint, you know, from a brace and get back

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Speaker 4: to himself. So one more game where it would seem

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Speaker 1: Our final big thing today is going to be making moves.

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Speaker 1: So that's with a question mark. We don't know if

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Speaker 1: yet for sure. Obviously James Gladstone not afraid to make

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Speaker 1: any sort of trade or move in the season. We've

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Speaker 1: already seen a couple. But Brian, I'm sure you're keeping

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Speaker 1: track of this. They're making cap space. They're converting a

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Speaker 1: lot of things into bonuses, restructuring contracts, most recently Greg Newsom.

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Speaker 1: But they're giving themselves some space to make a move

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Speaker 1: by the deadline if they have the ability to get

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Speaker 4: Want newsom Walker, Little Deanmi Brown, three guys that they

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Speaker 4: against it. And I think we've all heard that we

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Speaker 4: can expect more from Baselli, Gladstone and Colin when it

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Speaker 4: comes to moves. They're not going to be shy about

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Speaker 4: going and finding players. And the question everyone has is Okay,

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Speaker 4: what position? Where do they need help? And you'd say

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Speaker 4: somewhere on the defensive line. I guess you could say

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Speaker 4: at safety and we saw that last week. And I

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Speaker 4: think you could use help against the run. They're pretty

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Speaker 4: solid against the run, but you could use someone that

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Speaker 4: can push the pocket a bit more than we've seen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you'd really like to get more push stouter up front.

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Speaker 5: I think we're back to a little bit where the

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Speaker 5: edge rushers Trayvon being out hurts, and then really nobody

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Speaker 5: to take any double team pressure off Josh. Somebody on

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Speaker 5: the front needs to get more push and I'm always

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Speaker 5: a little hesitant to say you can go get it.

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Speaker 5: You know, they went and got it with Newsome because

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Speaker 5: they gave up something. How much can you go get

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Speaker 5: right for the trade line? A trade deadline, I'm always

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Speaker 5: a little skeptical, but we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, two weeks until the trade but a little more

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Speaker 4: than two weeks. Two weeks from Tuesday is the tradeline.

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Speaker 4: So if there's something that you really feel like you

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Speaker 4: need coming out of the bye week, now's the time

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Speaker 4: to go get it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, stay with us here on Jagszam. Coming up after

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Speaker 6: I think he's a great player, and he's a young

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Speaker 6: young kid, but when you talk to him, he doesn't

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Speaker 6: really seem like a rookie, doesn't talk like a rookie.

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Speaker 6: He knows the offense really well. Place hard, place stuff

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Speaker 6: and first start, I mean, hell, he's gonna get He's

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Speaker 6: gonna get a lot of opportunities in the NFL and

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Speaker 6: keep rolling, keep getting better. But he's nothing but great

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Speaker 1: SPATR McCarey weighing in on Jonah Manheim, who got his

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Speaker 1: first NFL start at center last week, as Robert Hainsey's

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Speaker 1: dealing with an injury right now, when we look back

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Speaker 1: at the offensive line, obviously not a great performance as

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Speaker 1: the first several weeks before that. But Monheim himself, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if this is getting help from those around him.

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Speaker 1: Didn't have a terrible day. It's just as a group

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Speaker 1: they really regressed. It Is it just the injuries brand

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Speaker 1: that's a tough one, or didn't they face a very

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Speaker 4: There's a very good team in Seattle. And other than injuries, Kay,

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Speaker 4: I think we've seen inconsistencies. Right Walker Little has had

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Speaker 4: a good game and then had a game where you thought,

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Speaker 4: come on, I mean, why can't we play the same

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Speaker 4: that does that. We've seen Ezra Cleveland look strong and

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Speaker 4: then he had injury, and then he's had some issues

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Speaker 4: McCary had the knee, so it kind of plays into it.

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Speaker 4: You know, the best offensive lineman you've had is Anton Harrison,

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think Brenton being out helped. Now obviously

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Speaker 5: he's not contributing or his absence isn't hurting you with sacks,

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Speaker 5: but it does hurt you with an option, you know,

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Speaker 5: to avoid sacks. Anton's been dealing.

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Speaker 5: think a little bit of the dealing with things. I

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Speaker 5: also think if you recall, the Seattle game was the

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Speaker 5: They got back into the Kansas City game before halftime,

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Speaker 7: It all goes together.

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Speaker 4: And that's that's what long in month don't necessarily give you.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 3: That's it. Then McVeigh comes in.

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Speaker 5: Well, there are coaches who shaped the league. Joe Gibbs

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Speaker 1: It feels like, I don't know, if you guys know

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Speaker 4: Well, listen, you covered a distinctly different culture than either

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Speaker 1: of a coach who just drafted a quarterback, and then

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get a coach in here with a quarterback

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Speaker 1: that didn't draft. So it's just interesting to watch it

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Speaker 1: go down in a different way.

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Speaker 4: Well, so it's Callahan's second season, right, so, and obviously

440
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Speaker 4: the Titans said to Burgonzi, Mike Borgnzi, who is the

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Speaker 4: new general manager, he we'd like to see what he's got.

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Speaker 4: But Burgunzie came from the Andy Reid Tree, he came

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Speaker 4: from Kansas City, where he had been for most of

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Speaker 4: his career, and Brian Callahan came from Zach Taylor, who

445
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Speaker 4: came from Sean McVeigh. And sometimes it just it doesn't

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Speaker 4: match up. Callahan's a guy who said to be terrific

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Speaker 4: with quarterbacks. So how much progress did you really expect

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Speaker 4: in the first six weeks with a roster that wasn't

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Speaker 4: that good? To your point, Kai, they if they were

450
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Speaker 4: going to make the move in week six, they should

451
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Speaker 4: have just swept it clean at the beginning of the

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Speaker 4: year and given Bergonzi a chance to bring in a

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Speaker 4: guy that fits his persona the team that he wants

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Speaker 4: to build with. Chad Brinker, who vice president of football

455
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Speaker 4: operations for them, it just started to clean because we

456
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Speaker 4: like Mike McCoy. I mean, I think Mike McCoy is

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Speaker 4: a good coach. He's worked with good quarterbacks Peyton Manning

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Speaker 4: and Philip Rivers. But now you're putting him in a

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Speaker 4: position of having to show a lot of progress, and

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Speaker 4: you're six weeks in and you kind of know what

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Speaker 4: y'all are at this point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it doesn't have to be in lockstep. If

463
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Speaker 5: if if the people make it work, if your people,

464
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Speaker 5: but if it if it's not, it makes it very

465
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Speaker 5: tough to get the timing right, especially with the quarterback

466
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Speaker 5: dynamic in the league right now. Meaning now you're five

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Speaker 5: games in on On not cam Ward, uh, and you're

468
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Speaker 5: gonna have an interim coach with cam Ward, and then

469
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Speaker 5: next year the storylines up there will be well it's

470
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Speaker 5: really his rookie year, you know, and so the time

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Speaker 5: frame can get away from me. They'll be judging cam

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Speaker 5: Ward now next year, well is he a second year quarterback?

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Speaker 5: Is he a first How much progress? So it has

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Speaker 5: become a timing league where you almost think you got

475
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Speaker 5: to hit reset and hope that you that you get

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Speaker 5: GM and head coach in a year we had the

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Speaker 5: right quarterback at the top of the draft. So it'll

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Speaker 5: be interesting to watch because that's sort of we've seen

479
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Speaker 5: that with Trevor coming up. When they can get in lockst.

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Speaker 5: It feels like lockstep now, but it took a while.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I asked Liam before the Kansas City game about my

483
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Speaker 4: homes and and and the standard for you know, having

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Speaker 4: that knowledge of the system to be able to make

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Speaker 4: all the change and how long it takes. And he

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Speaker 4: went right to Trevor and said, you know this, Trevor's

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Speaker 4: on his third head coach. He's on his third offensive system.

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Speaker 4: You got to have consistency. So I guess it depends

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Speaker 4: on how you look at it. Burgonzi may have known

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Speaker 4: that he was going to blow this thing up and

491
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Speaker 4: he didn't want too many systems and too much time

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Speaker 4: to pass. Or you've created a Trevor Lawrence short of

493
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Speaker 4: situation here for them now, and we've seen firsthand how

494
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Speaker 4: it's taken him through some ups and downs and still

495
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Speaker 4: working to get this offense down. So I think they've

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Speaker 4: lengthened their their timeline with cam Ward, but that may

497
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Speaker 4: not matter because the timeline is so long with a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what it looks like, as this will be

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Speaker 1: their first week with a different interim coach. Elsewhere, the

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Speaker 1: Colts are sitting atop the division, and I know we

501
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Speaker 1: have talked about this every single week, but they continue

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Speaker 1: to see success battle back. Got to win over the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals this week and we don't play them until later

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Speaker 1: in the season. So a lot of this is just

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Speaker 1: kind of watching from afar. But John, they're the real deal.

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Speaker 1: They're getting their wins up there. It's gonna be hard

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Speaker 1: to get at if they continue on this pace.

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Speaker 5: I mean, never want to let a team get too

509
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Speaker 5: far away there. The positive for the Jags with the

510
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Speaker 5: Colts in first place is if you stay within two,

511
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Speaker 5: you're gonna have a chance to reel them back in

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Speaker 5: really fast. So the division should not get away. The

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Speaker 5: Colts have not played a great schedule. The counter to

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Speaker 5: that is they are running the ball very well, and

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Speaker 5: Daniel Jones in his first year there is looking consistent

516
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Speaker 5: enough that they're five and one, So you start doing math,

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Speaker 5: it's hard to see them the way they're playing. With

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Speaker 5: Daniel Jones giving them consisting at quarterback, you would think

519
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Speaker 5: they're at least five hundred down the stretch, which puts

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Speaker 5: you at eleven and seven or eleven and six whatever.

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Speaker 5: My math is not great, but somewhere in there. So

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Speaker 5: it means you've got to win more than that to

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Speaker 5: catch them. So you don't want to let them get

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Speaker 5: two or three games up, because then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: every win for you is a holding breath.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're a great team, but I think

527
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Speaker 4: playing really good football. Shansteichen has a nose for He

528
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Speaker 4: came from Philadelphia for the running game, and I mean,

529
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Speaker 4: I've been open about my admiration for Jonathan Taylor, who

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Speaker 4: I think is just sensational, and now that he has

531
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Speaker 4: a legitimate quarterback under center, you have got to be

532
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Speaker 4: worried about.

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Speaker 3: What he can do.

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Speaker 4: Their defense has not been as good, however, they do

535
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Speaker 4: have some talented players. DeForest Butner still can play at

536
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Speaker 4: a high level. Latou Latou is a young pass rusher

537
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Speaker 4: they drafted last year that they like very much. They're

538
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Speaker 4: susceptible at corner, where they had a veteran Xavian Howard

539
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Speaker 4: retire suddenly on them. But if Jonathan Taylor's controlling the tempo,

540
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Speaker 4: the Colts defense can play with the lead, which they

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Speaker 4: have a lot in the first six weeks, and they've

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Speaker 4: been good. It's a fun dynamic and I think if

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Speaker 4: the Jaguars can keep within a couple of games, like

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Speaker 4: John just mentioned, the AFC Souths can have a little

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Speaker 4: respect running into the month of December and people aren't

546
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Speaker 4: just gonna be able to get buy the worst division

547
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Speaker 4: than football. Well, what if you've got an honest to

548
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Speaker 4: goodness race between a a Colts team and a Jaguars

549
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Speaker 4: team and one of them is gonna end up as

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Speaker 4: a wildcard if not the division winner, That'll be fun.

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Speaker 3: Good for us.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun down the stretch with all the

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Speaker 1: divisional games the Jaguars have towards back half of the season,

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Speaker 1: that's for certain.

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Speaker 7: That's what's up with the AFC South.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us, we will tell you what's coming up

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Speaker 1: Jags Am here, we're getting ready to Liam Cohen is

562
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Speaker 1: going to have a press availability I believe before practice

563
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Speaker 1: today and probably the fanciest press conference area in sports.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the fun things about coming here. There

565
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Speaker 3: is in a.

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Speaker 4: Greenhouse over by the practice field. It's just it's different.

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Speaker 4: I mean everything here is walk through.

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Speaker 7: The gardens on the way to the practice field. It's nice.

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Speaker 1: We get a little fall out of it. John, This

570
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Speaker 1: is like kind of old hat for them at this point.

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Speaker 1: I know the coaching is new, but just the organizational

572
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Speaker 1: how things run over here. Imagine is there a difference

573
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Speaker 1: to you with coming early versus coming on a Thursday.

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Speaker 5: You're here earlier. I mean, it's I've done a lot

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Speaker 5: of different ways. I do think the players will be

576
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Speaker 5: better adjusted, and I think the positive of the camaraderie thing,

577
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Speaker 5: I do think is real. I think people think of

578
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Speaker 5: teams as always getting to know each other, and really

579
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Speaker 5: they don't get that chance outside of training camp, because

580
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Speaker 5: you come to the facility, Brian, and you're in your

581
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Speaker 5: position groups, and you're in your routine, and every day

582
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Speaker 5: is sort of the same from the time training camp

583
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Speaker 5: in is the very season. So the fact that they're

584
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Speaker 5: here and they see each other in the hallway and

585
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Speaker 5: it's like, you know, it's like going to basketball camp

586
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Speaker 5: when you're.

587
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Speaker 7: A kid, which I used to do.

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Speaker 5: So there is an element of that that I think

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Speaker 5: is upon Well, you.

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Speaker 4: Have that extra time. I mean in the evening when

591
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Speaker 4: they're done, they you know, they can go down. I

592
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Speaker 4: saw a bunch of guys the other night, you know,

593
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Speaker 4: playing cards, right, so they're getting that time together. There

594
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Speaker 4: really is something to it, and I do think coming

595
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Speaker 4: off the loss, Liam mentioned that in his news conference

596
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Speaker 4: on Monday before the team left to come over here

597
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Speaker 4: that because of the circumstances of a loss that's stung,

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Speaker 4: it gives them some time to work through it, and

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Speaker 4: I think that's a net positive, not a bad.

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Speaker 1: Time to get back on track. We will be back

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Speaker 1: here on JAGXAM tomorrow's we look more into the matchup

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Speaker 1: against the Rams at Wembley on Sunday.

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Speaker 7: We'll see then