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Speaker 1: work in the latest on lowry marketing, on brandon Ingram

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Speaker 1: and of course the Marta Rosen. All that's next on

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Speaker 1: a brand new edition of This League Uncut.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to This League Uncut in the rule of twenty

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Speaker 2: four hour NBA News, this's you love, Chris Haynes, It's

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Speaker 2: time works time, it's some time.

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Speaker 1: This League Uncut is underway and on fire. This should

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Speaker 1: be a good one. Finally, Friday post, fourth of July

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Speaker 1: edition of This League Uncut. Mark Stein here with Chris

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Speaker 1: Haynes as well as producer Ryan Music. I think we

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Speaker 1: can safely say that most of the Marquis free agents

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Speaker 1: have found their new homes. There are still some notable

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Speaker 1: find a new home. So I think it's safe to

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Speaker 1: say we have dribbled into the trade season portion of

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Speaker 1: the off season. But I am sure Chris Haynes is

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Speaker 1: ready for that. After the July fourth festivities at the

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Speaker 3: You know. I can tell Producer Ron, I need you

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Speaker 3: right now. So Stein, what you're saying is valid. I

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Speaker 3: reason why I can tell because our listeners aren't going

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Speaker 3: time Stein, you have to correct me. Does Stein Light

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Speaker 3: actually have a beer coming through? Do you see this? For?

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Speaker 4: There is some some slightly above five o'clock shadow, what

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Speaker 4: I would call it scruff. There is no scruff coming through.

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Speaker 1: This well, because there's a reason you've never seen it,

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Speaker 1: because it takes like weeks and weeks and weeks of

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Speaker 3: I've never seen this. It looks lined up and everything, Star,

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Speaker 1: You, man, It's definitely not lined I don't know what

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Speaker 1: It is not properly manicured. It is not it is.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe what I'm just watching right here. What

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Speaker 3: I'm observing I've never seen. Stein is usually a clean cut.

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Speaker 3: He shaves everything clean faste.

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Speaker 1: No, No, you're you're miscasting.

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Speaker 4: Me, man, I don't I think I'm with I'm with

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Speaker 4: Chris Haynes here. This is this is a new look Stein,

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Speaker 4: and this is free agency.

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Speaker 1: He is Sadly, it's the same old neurotic bag of

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Speaker 3: This is weird. Star. It's been about I want to say,

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Speaker 3: because producer ryme, I have to give producer Ryan props credit.

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Speaker 3: He has one of the most pristine beard. You'll see

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Speaker 3: then it grows back really quick. But Stein, the Beard

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Speaker 3: for how long is Pluce Ryan by five years? Maybe

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say like like seven years. It really started

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, Stein, I'm seeing what you have here. I

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Speaker 1: Because this camera is so bad you guys cannot tell

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Speaker 3: I just give it a try, man, I think you.

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Speaker 1: I want I want to It's it's no hope, man,

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Speaker 3: Star. It has more potential than you think style. That's

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Speaker 1: Because missus Stein is not a fan.

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Speaker 3: I think that's well, that's that's another thing. Well hold

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Speaker 3: There's nothing that a bunch of ass clippers couldn't fix

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Speaker 4: I think I think there's more potential there than you're

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly what they wanted, exactly what they wanted. On

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Speaker 1: But first, I thought, because things have certainly slowed down,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a six pack. Of course. Another one

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with Chris Haynes. What we're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go back and forth three each a team

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Speaker 3: Tell me I was gonna ask good or bad first?

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Speaker 1: Number one? Tell me a team who's free agency you've loved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just because they retain so much

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Speaker 3: Nope.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go. I don't think I might surprise

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Speaker 3: because losing KCP was a major, a major blow.

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Speaker 3: it's really no I was told that the Nuggets are

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Speaker 3: What I mean by that is there's just a number

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Speaker 3: there you go. So it's unfortunate because this is a

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Speaker 3: ready to take on prime minutes. I don't believe there is,

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Speaker 1: They clearly do. They clearly think Christian Brown can.

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Speaker 3: don't know if they're that team anymore. I'm serious, Like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I really feel for Nuggets fans because this franchise,

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Speaker 3: But you know, I expected that. I didn't expect them

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Speaker 3: maybe a little weird. I don't know Producer Ryan, Tony

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Speaker 3: and Michael, Producer Ryan.

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Speaker 1: So when he audibles like this, I get so nervous.

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Speaker 1: Producer Ryan, like this, This was not anywhere near the script.

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Speaker 1: So go ahead, let's let's say ducking. I'm ducking for

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Speaker 1: what this is gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Embrace it, Embrace, embrace it. Producer Ryan. Will you please

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Speaker 3: go to Twitter and go to the handle at the

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Speaker 3: NBA alert. Are you familiar with this handle? Stein, Yes,

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00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: so you are, Producer Ryan. This Twitter handle follows all

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Speaker 3: the NBA players, follows NBA media, and it checks and

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Speaker 3: it keeps record instantly the moment you follow somebody new

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Speaker 3: or the moment you unfollow somebody or the moment you

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Speaker 3: like something. So this was the account that I guess

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Speaker 3: you could call it broke. This was the account that

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Speaker 3: broke where lebron unfollowed Kendrick Perkins. Then it was a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks later lebron unfollowed Rachel Nichols. I guess,

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00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: and it goes on and on. It's like you could

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Speaker 3: just keep looking. Yes, sure, I'm in there as well.

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Speaker 3: Following christ I started following Christa's persingers and whatever. This

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00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 3: is like, I just want to know how how does

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Speaker 3: somebody do? Like what how can you? Because I be

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Speaker 3: like they I'm trying to see how many what's there following?

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Speaker 3: They have.

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Speaker 4: Seventy forty three thousand, forty three.

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Speaker 3: Thousand people are following them, and the account reads in

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Speaker 3: the bio follow what NBA players, coaches, GMS, reporters, and

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Speaker 3: teams are doing on X. This is a strange, but

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Speaker 3: I guess could be considered a useful resource depending on

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Speaker 3: who you are. I guess, like, this is crazy.

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Speaker 1: I have never I just asked what moved you to

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Speaker 1: call a time out right now to discuss this.

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Speaker 3: Because somebody hit me up pretty recently about who I

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Speaker 3: unfollow and so I didn't know anything about this.

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Speaker 1: Chris Haynes has unfollowed the Stein line.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't know anything about this, Like

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Speaker 3: this is crazy, okay, props Listen. That shows you in

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Speaker 3: the social media era, you could find a niche wherever,

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Speaker 3: find a niche wherever, and run with it and go

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Speaker 3: build you a following. That's that's what I do like

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Speaker 3: about the lad over the last ten years with the

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Speaker 3: apps and ubers, like think of stein Stein and Ryan.

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Speaker 3: I was talking to my wife about this for years,

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Speaker 3: for years. Stein. I remember when I started covering the

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Speaker 3: league in twenty and ten and the first four and

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Speaker 3: a half years I got around in taxis. But you

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Speaker 3: guys know how complicated taxis are. Like you caught, I

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Speaker 3: got a call, I got arranged from them to be

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Speaker 3: at my hotel, to be at my house. A lot

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Speaker 3: of times they show up late. Sometimes they don't show

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Speaker 3: up at all. You don't know where they're at, you

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Speaker 3: don't know if they're midway coming. It's just it's crazy,

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Speaker 3: especially after a game late at night. I'll be in Denvers,

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Speaker 3: it's snow, it's cold, and you don't know the taxi

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Speaker 3: don't know where to come meet you at because there's

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Speaker 3: nobody to talk to. But my point is the taxi

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Speaker 3: system has had hundreds of years to monopolize the concept

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Speaker 3: of getting people around. And what did they do. They

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Speaker 3: sat on their butts and they robbed us because you know,

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Speaker 3: they've robbed us of these fees, these crazy fees for

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Speaker 3: riding taxis. They rob you And what did that do?

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Speaker 3: Uber came And I remember the first person who told

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Speaker 3: me about Uber. It was Dave mcminnimon when we were

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Speaker 3: recovering the calves in Cleveland two. Dave was the first one.

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Speaker 3: And you know how, I'll just say how I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna talk to all people. I'm not easy,

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Speaker 3: Like it's not going It's not easy for me to

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Speaker 3: just try something new and just go with it. So

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Speaker 3: the thought of Uber just seemed crazy to me. It's like,

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Speaker 3: what a random person who has no experience driving is

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Speaker 3: just gonna drive me around? Like what my credit card

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Speaker 3: is just attached to this company? What so it took?

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Speaker 3: You know? So? And Dave would tell me like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: try it out. It's way cheaper than the taxi and

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Speaker 3: lo and behold. I eventually tried it out, probably six

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Speaker 3: months later, tried it out, and I thought, wow, why

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Speaker 3: did I think of this? The taxi company and now

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Speaker 3: taxis they hate ubers. They can't stand Uber drivers because

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Speaker 3: they charge they charging half of what the taxis are.

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Speaker 3: I can actually know where my Uber is at. I

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Speaker 3: actually can see it. I can follow where they're at.

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Speaker 3: I can communicate with them. The taxi industry had it

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Speaker 3: hundreds of years to figure this out and they failed.

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Speaker 3: And now Uber and what's the other one? Uber? And

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Speaker 3: on what's the other lift? Lyft? Now Uber and Lyft

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Speaker 3: have monopolized and taken over, and I say props to them.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I'm saying with FOD thinking that I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't know if you guys see the connection

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Speaker 3: between this NBA alert account.

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Speaker 1: I see no connection whatsoever. I see no connection. I'm

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Speaker 1: still reeling from the I'm still reeling from the Beard

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Speaker 1: discussion at the beginning. But how what inspired you to

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Speaker 1: call this time out? I looked at I looked at

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Speaker 1: the NBA alert, figuring, okay, one of their three most

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Speaker 1: recent tweets must have been Chris Haynes has unfollowed blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. But no, there's no Chris Haynes mentioned there

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Speaker 1: so it's like, what sparked this.

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Speaker 4: Stein, This is one of those situations where as the

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Speaker 4: kids say, you gotta just let him cook, Let him cook,

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Speaker 4: let him do his thing, let me.

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Speaker 3: Cook and then taste taste what I'm cooked, then decide

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Speaker 3: if it was worthy of me cooking or not. You

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Speaker 3: know that. Meanwhile, let me see.

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Speaker 1: You weren't even halfway through the six pack game. We

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00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: were only at four. We need nine. We weren't even

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Speaker 1: halfway through and you called time out. This is like,

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Speaker 1: this is like you you wasted a challenge in the

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Speaker 1: first quarter.

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Speaker 3: So now I don't have any more changes left.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's Game seven of the NBA Finals, and

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Speaker 1: you wasted a challenge in the first quarter.

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Speaker 3: We can proceed. We can start the third quarter.

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Speaker 1: My bad man, Ryan. That was Ryan, Come on, back

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Speaker 1: me up. That was the craziest time out, that.

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Speaker 4: One that I'm with you, Stein, When I thought he

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Speaker 4: was gonna say, hey, check.

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Speaker 1: Out, there is a through line. It leads Chris Haynes

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Speaker 1: to the tangent, but I am really struggling to identify.

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Speaker 4: I thought there was gonna be something close to the

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Speaker 4: top of the timeline that was like, hey, we were

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Speaker 4: just talking about the bulls and did you.

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Speaker 1: See Yeah, they stopped Mary followed carnitionist something, but no,

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Speaker 1: we ended up on the taxi industry and what and

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Speaker 1: what Uber has done to the taxi industry. If you

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Speaker 1: can connect those dots, you are wasting your time as

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00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: producer of this show. You should be a scientist, a

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Speaker 1: top top universe.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: I think the thing because all agree on is what

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Speaker 4: you observed Stein is that. Props to Dave mcmahdaman for

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Speaker 4: discovering Reman.

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Speaker 1: Didn't know when he woke up today that he was

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Speaker 1: going to get credit for breaking the scoop of Uber

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Speaker 1: rewriting the taxi industry.

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Speaker 3: Well to put a bow on it. Basically, what I

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Speaker 3: was saying is basically what I was saying is there's

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Speaker 3: always a way to be innovative and creative and to

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Speaker 3: find a laye that you could capitalize in. So that's

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Speaker 3: where I was going with that. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and with that, I'm going to ask you to

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Speaker 1: give me your second team in free agency. Who has

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00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: wowed you with their moves? Maybe not maybe maybe they

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Speaker 1: have not have wowed you to the level of Uber,

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Speaker 1: but yes, who who do you like? Who do you like?

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Speaker 1: Who who else besides the Philadelphia seventy six ers in

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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City Thunder, they are off the board. Who's

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Speaker 1: off season business has impressed you? Beyond those two teams.

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Speaker 3: I'm keeping it in the East, I'm going with the

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Speaker 3: New York Knickerbockers. Yeah, re signing o G trading for Bridges.

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Speaker 3: They did lose Isaiah, but that's a that's a product

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Speaker 3: of what they went after and who they went after.

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Speaker 3: I should say, but the Knicks have definitely retooled. They're

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Speaker 3: a better team. I still believe they're a better team.

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Speaker 3: They have to find them a backup be it, but

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Speaker 3: they will. There's a there's a there's a solid bigs

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Speaker 3: out there still left out on the market.

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Speaker 1: Who is the bigger threat to Boston? The Knicks for

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Speaker 1: the Sixers, I guess you would say, you would say

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Speaker 1: if you picked the Sixers, I guess you would go

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Speaker 1: six Ers.

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Speaker 3: See. See, I was going to correct you, not correct you,

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Speaker 3: but I was going to interject when you made that

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Speaker 3: statement about the top three in the East, because if

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Speaker 3: I brought my good friend Dame Dollar on this show

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Speaker 3: and asked him about the top three, well, if I

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Speaker 3: not asked him, if I told him that mark Stein

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Speaker 3: said the top three is Boston, New York and Philly.

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Speaker 3: He would cuss you out mark Stein right there on

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Speaker 3: the spot.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to bring him on the show.

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Speaker 1: We had we have not had it. I mean, I think, look,

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Speaker 1: it's the summer and he probably needs a break, even

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Speaker 1: from you. But I think you could remind him that

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Speaker 1: the one time he's been on the show, he did

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Speaker 1: win the three point contest. Hours later, Maybe talking to

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Speaker 1: us again wouldn't be the worst thing, because listen, I

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Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean, I you know, or jumping a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit like our chances of convincing him to come

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Speaker 3: on after you've already said the top three in the East, Boston,

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Speaker 3: New York can fields.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm the only one saying that the Bucks

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Speaker 1: might have something to worry about here. With the moves

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Speaker 1: that the Knicks and the Sixers have made and the

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Speaker 1: Celtics doing deals to re sign all their guys, the

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Speaker 1: Celtics are bringing back pretty much their a whole team

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Speaker 1: that just won it all. And I do think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have Boston necessarily on my list of the

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Speaker 1: three most impressive teams because I want to bring some

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Speaker 1: some new teams into this discussion. And the Celtics just

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Speaker 1: won the championship, so they're getting plenty of props. But

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Speaker 1: you have to ask the question about Boston, how good

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Speaker 1: are they gonna be when now Tatum and Brown don't

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Speaker 1: have to hear the whole basketball world doubting their abilities.

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Speaker 1: How liberating is that gonna be for those guys to

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Speaker 1: play as defending champions rather than a team that we

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Speaker 1: questioned because we haven't seen them do it. So it's

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Speaker 1: not a direct I'm not directing this at Dame himself,

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Speaker 1: but I mean the Bucks. They got a lot of

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Speaker 1: questions to answer.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting a text from Dame, Now what.

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Speaker 1: Are he's taping this and sending him Clippers?

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Speaker 3: I should send him some motivation up? I should? You

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Speaker 3: know what it was? He texts in the group chat

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Speaker 3: that we're in just now. But Stein, I give you

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Speaker 3: that nobody, nobody, let's put the Boston Celtics in their

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00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: own class. They are number one. Nobody is arguing about

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Speaker 3: the Boston Celtics. You know how I admire Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 3: You know how I admire that guy, Love that guy,

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Speaker 3: Jaylen Brown, solid stud, Derek White, the whole crew of

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00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: there in Boston. Legit legitimate guys, legitimate championship contender once again.

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00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: Now New York and Philly. I put New York in

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Speaker 3: there because I just like the makeup of their team.

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Speaker 3: But the same issues that played Milwaukee for the bulk

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Speaker 3: of this past year was that they were just unfamiliar

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Speaker 3: with each other. They had to figure out how to

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Speaker 3: play with one another. Philly is going to have to

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00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: deal with that, and the Knicks are going to have

646
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: to deal with that, even though I know the Villanova

647
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: crew is back. But these are different. These are different players.

648
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: These are players with now who have egos. These are

649
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 3: players now who have fame. They expect to be able

650
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: to produce and put up big numbers. So you still

651
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: have to work with that. Now, with that being said,

652
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: I won't argue with you. I'm just saying, hey, you

653
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 3: can't dismiss Milwaukee because Dame is going to be back

654
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: better than he was the past year. Him and Beannis

655
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: will get together a little bit more. You know, the

656
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: Olympics is going to kind of mess mess up some

657
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: plans that they did have, but they'll they'll get more

658
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: reps in than they did going into training. Cup last year.

659
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: So I'm just I'm just not dismissing Milwaukee. So I

660
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 3: would probably say Boston, New York, Philly, and Milwaukee tie

661
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: for third. That's that's kind of how it would go go.

662
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the way I look at it is

663
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: I do like the Knicks depth better than the sixer

664
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: situation because look, Joel Embiid and Paul George have both

665
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: missed considerable time. It's happened way more than once, and

666
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: so I do think there is value in the depth approach.

667
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: So I would give the Knicks the slight edge. But

668
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: I look on the Bucks, I don't think it was

669
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: just continuity. I think it was continuity and health. So

670
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: let's see. I know the Bucks are banking on the

671
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: idea that Doc Rivers coaching this team from the start

672
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: of the season dame not just showing up three seconds

673
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: before training camp starts and actually having a full training camp,

674
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: a full offseason to get ready for that training camp,

675
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: and the continuity that he and Giannis can build. But look,

676
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: Giannis the last two seasons has not been healthy at

677
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: the end. Chris Middleton bounced back and played really well

678
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, but he dealt with injuries all season long,

679
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: and the biggest thing about the Bucks that worries me,

680
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: it's just they have such limited flexibility and limited trade

681
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: assets to make changes, and they clearly want to make changes.

682
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: Those rumbles have been out there that Doc Rivers would

683
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: like to make alterations to the supporting cast. Are they

684
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: going to trade Brook Lopez or bring Brook Lopez back?

685
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: So in Milwaukee there are a lot of question marks

686
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of uncertainty, and the top of the

687
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: East has just gotten way way tougher. My other team,

688
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: my team that I would list second, I'm gonna go

689
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: a little untraditional here. Again. You could say Boston because

690
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: they brought everybody back. But I gotta take my hat

691
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: off to Cleveland. The Cavaliers had to deal with a

692
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: lot of noise about Donovan Mitchell. Not just for me,

693
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: I think it was league wide. There were questions all

694
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: season about what happens in Cleveland if Donovan Mitchell doesn't

695
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: sign this extension, and there were many many teams out

696
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: there monitoring this. I think the Miami Heat were at

697
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: the front of the line hoping that there would be

698
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: no extension so they could make a trade run at

699
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell. But props to the Cavaliers. Amid a lot

700
00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: of skepticism, they got that extension done with Donovan Mitchell.

701
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: He is committed to the Calves on a three year deal.

702
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: It's a player option in year three, but that is

703
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: mostly because he wants to get to ten years of

704
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: service in the league and be eligible for a much

705
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: richer deal. I don't want to sit here and say

706
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: that the Calves have figured everything out because Evan Mobley

707
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: is also eligible for an extension. With Kenny Atkinson coming

708
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: in there now as the coach. When you talk to

709
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: other teams, they say that Cleveland is even more determined

710
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: now to keep Jared Allen, So Atkinson is going to

711
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: have to find a way to make Allen and Mobley

712
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: function better together as a twosome on the floor, and

713
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: then Darius Garland. All the signals are that the Calves

714
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: don't want to break up their main four guys, but

715
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't stop other teams from around the league looking

716
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: at that situation and trying to anticipate. Is Garland, you know,

717
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: we've heard the rumbles. Would their camp actually ask to

718
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: be moved if Donovan Mitchell comes back, because there might

719
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: not be room for all four of them. It's you know,

720
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: this is in the league chatter phase. There's no you know,

721
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: we haven't heard of any definitive declarations from Darius Garland

722
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: or his camp about wanting to be elsewhere. But the

723
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: questions about those four as a fit still persist. As

724
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 1: a four man core of a team, those questions now

725
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: fall to Kenny Atkinson to work through. But at its core,

726
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: you have to give the Calves huge credit, huge props

727
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: for hushing all the noise and convincing Donovan Mitchell to

728
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: re up, because again, Miami would have been at the

729
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: front of the line trying to trade for him if

730
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Speaker 1: there was no extension, and I'm sure there would have

731
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: been other teams.

732
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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm glad you confessed to that. Styn. Yes, you

733
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: were one of the ones who said or thought Donovan

734
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: Mitchell was going to be out and Mark Stein there was.

735
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 4: That.

736
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: That's not no I said, and I wrote, I wrote

737
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: it many times. What I said was if the Calves

738
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Speaker 1: were unable to get his signature on an extension, that

739
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: would force them to explore the trade market and until

740
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: the playoffs, really until after the playoffs. I think it

741
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: was in May that we started getting the first real

742
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: certifiable signals of optimism in Cleveland that they were going

743
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: to get that extension commitment from Donovan Mitchell. But again,

744
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: we didn't get that till May. So I think in

745
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: February before the deadline, teams were talking about it, and

746
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: rightfully so, because it wasn't clear in February that the

747
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: extension was going to happen as we expect to see

748
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: it now out here after Saturday, once the moratorium lifts

749
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: Saturday at twelve oh one Eastern, the Cavs can actually

750
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: formally sign Donovan Mitchell to that extension. But go ahead.

751
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to call time out on you.

752
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: No, No, you had the Claire for you wanted. You

753
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure your voice was heard and heard accurately.

754
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: So I give you that. That's fine. What I was

755
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: going to say, you saw there was a two minute

756
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: video clip. I guess media, our media colleagues are peers

757
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: just going sound bites from the past.

758
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: Off, I didn't see.

759
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: It, Okay, off of announcing used it sound bites from

760
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: the past from numerous media folks, Folks saying that Donam

761
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: is going to be gone. There's not a chance Donamin

762
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: is coming back. Cleveland should do something. Blah blah blah.

763
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: So I was going to play with you and say

764
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: you should have been in there.

765
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: You should have been Yeah, I mean that's it. Am

766
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: I in there? I don't think I don't think they're

767
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: not in there.

768
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: But you're not in there because you didn't actually say that.

769
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: You said exactly what. Uh you know, you said that

770
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: if they didn't get an extension, they had no choice

771
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: but to do so.

772
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they couldn't. I mean, you know that, And

773
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: that was they obviously if they didn't get the extension.

774
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: You can't let Donovan Mitchell go into his final season

775
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: and then become a free agent and just you open

776
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: yourself up to the potential that he walks. But again,

777
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: props to the Calves. There were a lot of doubters

778
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: about them getting this extension commitment from Donovan Mitchell, and

779
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: they did, and now they can really plot their course

780
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: on how to proceed. So they are they are a

781
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: definite winner of this offseason.

782
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: How many more rounds we have left?

783
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: We still? I mean, if producer, I don't know, we've

784
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: we've gone kind of along here. With that twenty minute

785
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: timeout on the taxi, it.

786
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: Was my twenty it was twenty minutes. Huh. That's a

787
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: twenty minute time out. Huh.

788
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: And the beard the beard detour at the beginning, So

789
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: we have we have lost some of our man. God,

790
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: it's already. Oh man, I'm running out of time.

791
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: Yes, you said Stine, hold on you you're you're usually

792
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: a man of word. Now, everybody here. It is four

793
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: twelve California time. Stein said when we started, before we

794
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 3: start this pot, we're going to finish at four fifteen,

795
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: which means we have three minutes left. Are you gonna

796
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: be a man of your worst?

797
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: No, we are going We're definitely going over three minutes.

798
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: But like I need to go somewhere. So it's like,

799
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: we're only gonna get fifteen more minutes, and so we are.

800
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: I am calling an audible. The game is now only

801
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: gonna have two rounds. So you can hit me with

802
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: one more team whose business you either hated or loudly questioned,

803
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: and then I will give you mine and we will.

804
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: We have hit on a lot of teams though, so

805
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: I think we've we've we've we've covered close to half

806
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: the league. I think we've named By the time we finished,

807
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: we will have named or we will have we will

808
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: have discussed at least fifteen teams here. But give me

809
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: a team whose business you did not like.

810
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, there's two teams that I'm picking from. Two teams,

811
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 3: and since this is the final round, I may cheat

812
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: a little bit, but na, I'll stick with I'll stick

813
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 3: with one. So I'm picking between. I'm gonna tell you

814
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 3: the two teams. I'm picking between between the Golden State

815
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: Warriors and the Los Angeles Clippers. And the reason I'm

816
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: hesitant on both of those fronts to bash them because

817
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 3: they still potentially, potentially can pull something out here where

818
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: their off season may look pretty good. So that's what

819
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 3: concerns me about attacking one of those two teams right now.

820
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: Uh So with that being said, God, I'm gonna go

821
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 3: with the Uh, I'm gonna go with the Los Angeles Clippers,

822
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 3: because I really do think the Golden State Warriors can

823
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 3: pull something out. Still. The Los Angeles Clippers, they've known

824
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: this whole time about Paul, the Paul George situation. The

825
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 3: question I have is if we will ever get this answered. Honestly,

826
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: did they even want to keep Paul George? I know

827
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 3: they got fatigued with the back and forth and negotiations

828
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: and Paul george stance not budgeing. And I know Paul

829
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 3: George in his camp felt the same way about the

830
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 3: Clippers not budget, but I wonder if they really wanted

831
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: him back. And regardless if they wanted him back or not,

832
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 3: you can't lose a guy like that for nothing, you can't.

833
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: And I know they can, you know, say hey, we

834
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: don't want to get to that Apron. There's tax implications.

835
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: They're not going to be They're not going to be

836
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 3: the team that they were. Even though the team that

837
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 3: they were didn't reach expectations, there's still was an expectation.

838
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 3: That expectation no longer exists. You got Tyron Lew there,

839
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: and he's definitely going to maximize the talent. But the Clippers,

840
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: I think I believe they dropped the ball on how

841
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: they handled the Paul George situation. Uh, you know, they're

842
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: trying to piece some things together, you know, ad Adamson,

843
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: you know added Nick Patoon, They've added Kevin Porter, they

844
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 3: added Jones. Yeah, yeah, that's right, Yeah, Derek Jones Jr.

845
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: Chris Dunn is reported by Chris Haynes of TNT.

846
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris, Dunn. Yeah, it's not, Paul George. You lost

847
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: them for nothing. So yeah, they they're they're the team.

848
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: Well look, obviously what they would argue is losing a

849
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: guy for nothing in the modern landscape means you're not

850
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: going into the second apron, So it isn't completely nothing.

851
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think and that you know, I'm

852
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: maybe you know, I'm I'm going to disappoint you now

853
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of fudging with this answer too, because

854
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: like I think, both the Clippers and the Warriors, you

855
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: would put them in the we're going to question their

856
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: strategy right now, because even more so in the Warriors case.

857
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I never thought it would get to this

858
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: point where Klay Thompson left them, And now when I

859
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: look back at it, the signs really were there all

860
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: season long, the discontent from Klay Thompson being offered a

861
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 1: two year deal just shy of fifty million. He didn't

862
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: take it, he felt disrespected, and it just unraveled from there.

863
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: And now with the benefit of hindsight, you really can

864
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: see that he needed a fresh start, wanted a fresh start,

865
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: and now has that in Dallas. But the Warriors have

866
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: made some pretty good contingency moves to get them through

867
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: the short term, to bring in the Anthony Melton, Kyle Anderson,

868
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: and Buddy Healed on team friendly terms. And we know

869
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: the Warriors did try really hard to trade for Paul George.

870
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: They did chase Lowry Marketing very hard. They continue to

871
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: have interest in lowry marketing, and look, I think you know,

872
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: we're kind of folding in our updates on future guys

873
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: into this discussion. We talked a lot already about Jamar Deroz,

874
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: and we said we were going to save that for

875
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: the end, and we ended up talking about him sooner.

876
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of teams interested in lowry marketing

877
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: right now. I'm not sure that Utah is really ready

878
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: to trade lowry Marketing right now, they're going to listen

879
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: because the Jazz can't renegotiate and extend on marketing until

880
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: August sixth by league rules, so they still have a

881
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: month here to just evaluate what's out there for them

882
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: on the market. Teams can make their pitches, the Jazz

883
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: can field those offers and then decide what to do.

884
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: I still think Utah would prefer to re sign Lowry

885
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: Marketing because they have a much better chance of getting

886
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: a big trade haul back for him if he's on

887
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 1: a long term deal. Right now, Lowry Markin is entering

888
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: the last year of his contract. It's only an eighteen

889
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: million dollar number for next season, so teams that want

890
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: him via trade, they don't have team control for more

891
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: than a season, and at eighteen mil, you're not getting back.

892
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: You don't have the optionality to get as much back

893
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: in terms of high level talent. So it just strikes me,

894
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: and I've heard this from some teams as well, that

895
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: it just seems it would make more sense that Utah

896
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: would want to move market in after doing a new

897
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: deal with him. So again, I think it's difficult to

898
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: just say Golden State has completely fumbled because Clay Thompson

899
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: is going to join the Dallas Mavericks in a sign

900
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: and trade, because the Warriors have made some nice moves

901
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: to increase their depth and possibly even have a better

902
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: team than they've had the last two seasons in the

903
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: short term, and we know given their actions here before

904
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: the draft and since the draft, I think the Warriors

905
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: have shown that they are still trying to be aggressive

906
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: in terms of making upgrades, whereas the Clippers. The questions

907
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: about their strategy are louder. I think there really is

908
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: something to what you threw out there. Was it really

909
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: more the Clippers deciding above everything that the Kawhi Leonard

910
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: and Paul George partnership had gone as far as it

911
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: could go, And that after five years, after winning only

912
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: three rounds in the playoffs in those five years, after

913
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: Kawhi not being able to finish the season healthy the

914
00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: last three four seasons, were the Clippers really just as much?

915
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: Which there are incredible team building restrictions when you go

916
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: into that second apron. Are the Clippers moving into a

917
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: reset because they just didn't want to keep paying for

918
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: this highly expensive duo that, Yes, they were very successful

919
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: on some levels, took the Clippers to their first ever

920
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: conference finals, but really never got close to winning a championship.

921
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why And again that's why I picked

922
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 3: the Clippers over the Warriors in this scenario, because I

923
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 3: think the Warriors still can do some things to make

924
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,959
Speaker 3: their offseason look pretty good. And yes, Adam, Buddy Hill,

925
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 3: Milton Kyle Andedison, those are good solid pieces. Buddy Hills

926
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 3: one of the best three point shooters. Maybe Buddy can

927
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 3: come in and fill that production the outside production that

928
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 3: Klay Thompson provided for over a decade. Maybe we'll see

929
00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: Buddy Hill's always top leaders in three points made per

930
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: season the last five or six years. You know what,

931
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: when you think about what Golden State has done or

932
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 3: what they haven't done, you know, Clay is the highlight.

933
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: But also that Chris Paul, you know, allowing Chris Paul's

934
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: deal to expire and not get anything, get anything from

935
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: that when that was Chris. Acquiring Chris Paul's contract was

936
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 3: the central component of trading away Jordan Poole. So you know,

937
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: I know people look at it. Warriors fans may look

938
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: at it. We traded, we traded Jordan Poole. We didn't

939
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: get anything back but a year of Chris Paul, you know.

940
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 3: So it's things like that. But again I can see

941
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 3: the silver lining and what the Warriors are trying to do.

942
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 3: So that's that's why I ultimately decided to pick the

943
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: Clippers in this in this aspect.

944
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: Well as you noted, although like I said, I think

945
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: it was of the unexpected turns, the unexpected twists and

946
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: turn that this edition of this league uncut took. We've

947
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: had to my original plan, the original plan for the

948
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: show was I was going to ask Chris Haynes was

949
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: going to nominate three teams whose off season business he

950
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: really liked, three teams who's off season business he either

951
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: outright didn't like or strongly question. I was going to

952
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: do the same. I think we still ended up talking

953
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: about at least half the league, but we didn't get

954
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: to round three because the clock is running short on us,

955
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: and I just want to make sure before we go,

956
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: because again, I do think we are now moving into

957
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: the trade season portion of the off season. It won't

958
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: be long before the whole league is in Vegas and

959
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: when there are face to face discussions, which become much

960
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: easier in Vegas when we're all there. That certainly doesn't

961
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: hurt trade discussions. So I mean the big things I

962
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: think people will be looking for. Again, Utah cannot renegotiate

963
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: and extend with Lowry Markinen until August sixth, So that

964
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: leaves the door open for the various teams that have

965
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: tried to chase him in trade talks. It gives them

966
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: the chance to keep going, keep throwing offers at Utah,

967
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: keep testing Danny Ainge's resolve before that extension window opens. Priority.

968
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: Number one I think is DeMar Derozen and where he

969
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: ends up in a sign and trade. Chris Haynes again

970
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: called this for you on Tuesday, more than seventy two

971
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: hours ago. By the time this podcast drops, that DeMar

972
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: de Rozan's tenure in Chicago is over. He is going

973
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: elsewhere via sign and trade. We just don't know yet

974
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: where that is. Also Miles Bridges in Charlotte. The Hornets

975
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: want to keep Miles Bridges. I reported the other day

976
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: that Cleveland should be categorized at least as a team

977
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: to watch in terms of sign and trade. Our good

978
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: friend Brad Turner the La Times. He reported earlier this

979
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: week that the Clippers also have some sign and trade

980
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: interest in Miles Bridges. And then I think Brandon Ingram,

981
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: who is a player both you and I have reported

982
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: about quite a bit here in the last several weeks.

983
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: The expectation only grows that the Pelicans would move him

984
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: before the start of the season. Again, exactly where that

985
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: has not revealed itself, That is not yet clear, But

986
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: it's reached the point to my knowledge that on Ingram side,

987
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: it's become apparent that the Pelicans are not going to

988
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: offer him what he was hoping for in extension talk.

989
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: So I think even from Ingram side, there is at

990
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: the very least exploration of what the trade options are

991
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: because it just doesn't look like he's going to get

992
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: the number from the Pelicans in an extension that he

993
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: was hoping for, and that naturally is going to open

994
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: the door and increase the chances of a trade. So

995
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: the floor is now yours again to talk about any

996
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: of those guys. You want DeRozan, Marketing bridges, Ingram.

997
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 3: DeRozan, Let's let's get on DeRozan. DeRozan is there's a

998
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 3: few teams that are still trying to explore how to

999
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 3: acquire him. I told you guys here a couple of

1000
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 3: days ago, you know, with the with the with the

1001
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 3: cap space that's out there that's available for the most part,

1002
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 3: full mid level exceptions, Damar is not taking anything. He's

1003
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 3: not considering any type of contract like that. So I

1004
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 3: said it was going to take a team getting creative

1005
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 3: come up with the cap space. So teams that I

1006
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 3: know that are exploring that possibility, Sacramento Kings, the Miami Heat,

1007
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: and the Los Angeles Clippers. Those are teams that are

1008
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 3: exploring ways to try to come up with an avenue

1009
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: to obtain Damar DeRozan via a sign and trade, which

1010
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 3: would involve a third team. The third team involved in

1011
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: that the third team is that's probably gonna be the

1012
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: most problematic aspect of locating that third team. Is it

1013
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 3: San Antonio? Is it Detroit? Where you get that cap space?

1014
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 3: So that's that's the conundrum as of right now. But

1015
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 3: whatever team can locate and get reaching the terms on

1016
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: a deal for that third team, that's who's gonna come

1017
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 3: away with DeMar DeRozan.

1018
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: All Right, you know what, Since there have been so

1019
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: many curve balls in this show to throw me off

1020
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: my stride, I think we're gonna leave it there because

1021
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: I am now officially late for where I am headed next.

1022
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: But also, and more importantly for listeners of this show,

1023
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: I think we kind of ended last one with strong

1024
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: DeRozan thoughts. They were certainly near the end. And so

1025
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: let's make it two for two this week. Let's have

1026
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: the Chris Haynes latest forecast on DeMar DeRozan's future. Let's

1027
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: make that the bow on this show. This wild and

1028
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: unpredictable and at times chaotic edition of This League uncut.

1029
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,479
Speaker 1: As always, please remember to rate the show, review the show.

1030
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: We would love a five star review after Chris Haynes's

1031
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: performance today. I would imagine you are looking for that

1032
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: five star review button to click, just just because of

1033
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: what you heard out of the nine to one six today.

1034
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: And we will be back together again, very very soon.

1035
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: We're also excited because we're gonna be in Vegas together soon. Chris.

1036
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: Of course, we'll be on the sideline of various Summer

1037
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: League games. I'll be getting to Sin City a little

1038
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: bit later than that. But it'll be great to see

1039
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: you because even though we did see each other in

1040
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: Dallas at the finals, we didn't get enough time. We

1041
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: didn't get enough time to hang out in Vegas. In Vegas,

1042
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: I am quite sure we will have one to two

1043
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: proper meals together.

1044
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 3: And hopefully a nice big meal that's free at some

1045
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 3: point in Vegas.

1046
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: Don't say anymore, say less as the kids say say less.

1047
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: Did I get that right, Producer Ryan? Is that what

1048
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: the kids say?

1049
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 4: That is one hundred percent exactly what the kids are saying.

1050
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: Love it? And I'm sure if I'm wrong or if

1051
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: you're wrong, a listener or three will let us know

1052
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: all right. That is going to do it for this

1053
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: edition of This League uncut Like I said, Chris and I,

1054
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: we will be doing this again very very soon. Until then,

1055
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: thanks so much for listening. I hope everybody had a

1056
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: great board and that'll do it for us. See you

1057
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: next time. This League un Cutter is an iHeartRadio production.

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Speaker 3: Lock up

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