WEBVTT - I Choose...Digital Spirituality with Deepak Chopra 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:05.000 You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garland. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:08.680 Hi. 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.319 Everyone, welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.280 about the choices we make and where they lead us. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.279 I never knew that. I don't even know how many 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:25.880 years ago, thirty some maybe forty years ago my mom's 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:31.240 shelves lined with self help books would culminate to this 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.800 moment for me in my life. I have to believe 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:40.480 that those books influence got me so interested in health 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:46.320 and wellness and meditation and just all the things, all 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:51.200 the positive things that we can gleam out of life. Today. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:56.640 My guest is one of the most prominent figures in 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:02.040 the New Age movement. Yeah, I'm laughing because this moment 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.319 is really kind of like a big, big moment for me. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.240 For the last thirty years, he has been in the 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:14.360 forefront of the meditation revolution, and his mission is to 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:21.039 create a more balanced, more peaceful, joyful, healthier world. I 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.640 like that mission. I want that to be my new mission. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.479 Let's adopt that. Let's all of us just say that 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.560 is our new mission. He has written ninety five books, 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.720 several of them being New York Times bestsellers. His latest 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:43.920 is called Digital Dharma. And it is pretty mind blowing. 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.880 You have to check it out. Please welcome Deepak Chopra 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.840 to the podcast. Hello, doctor Choprah, so nice to meet you. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:55.440 Nice to meet too too. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:59.200 Oh my goodness. I have been a fan of yours, 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.200 read a lot of your books, been to your center 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.680 down in San Diego, so this is really a thrill 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.520 for me. Thank you for taking the time. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:08.160 Thank you. 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:14.560 We are going to dive into the world of artificial intelligence, 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.639 also known as AI, which is the subject of your 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:24.320 latest book, Digital Dharma. How AI can elevate spiritual intelligence 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:25.320 and personal wellbeing? 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:26.960 Okay? 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.640 Can we just start with the title. I have to 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.560 be honest, it took me a minute to comprehend what 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:38.800 it suggests that dharma and digital can work together. Let's 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:44.880 start with dharma. There are different explanations out there of dharma. 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.640 Can you tell us what your definition of darma is? 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.760 Well. In Eastern wisdom traditions, if you're familiar with yoga, 0:02:53.680 --> 0:03:00.480 there are seven centers of awareness, usually metaphorically expressed the 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:06.080 seventh chacras. So the first center of awareness is survival 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:11.840 and safety. The second center is what we might call 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:20.440 material success and censual experience of pleasure. The third center 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:25.280 is power and transformation, The fourth is love and belongingness, 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:32.280 The fifth is creative expression, the sixth is insight, intuition, imagination, 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:37.840 and heart consciousness, and the seventh is transcendence. So the 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:43.320 Herma applies to all these levels of existence, but ultimately 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:51.240 it is transcendence, which means knowing your true self, beyond 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:56.119 the conditioned mind, beyond the body, and knowing yourself as 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:03.960 an infinite, spaceless, timeless, fundamental ground of being, which is 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:08.120 also the ground of the univers So it's freedom and 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:13.320 liberation and enlightenment. But that's the finest say hm. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:20.200 Yes, I've studied Buddhism in my adult life and they 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:25.760 usually call it, you know, the nature of reality. Yes, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:31.240 as through the teachings of buddhas So yes, it's it's 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.359 an incredible feeling. It's I feel like dharma also is 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:40.560 just goodness. Like living my life on a path of goodness, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:41.799 I'm living in dharma. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:47.240 Purpose what is your life? Purpose? But that is flexible 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:54.080 and fluid because as we evolve, then purpose also was right. 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.360 You say in your beautiful book that let's see, I 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.560 believe that no technology in decades can equal AI. For 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:08.239 expanding your awareness in every area, including spiritual and personal growth. 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.680 When people think of AI, I think their mind goes 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:16.160 to chat GPT, you know, getting quick answers to questions. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.480 Maybe in kids cases, maybe having it do their homework 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:25.839 for them, but not necessarily spirituality. Are you talking about 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:31.400 AI leading us in meditation or when practicing mindfulness and gratitude? 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:32.520 How do you utilize it? 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.359 So I actually if you go to my digital twin 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:43.360 which is Deepulgshower dot AI, and you ask it I 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.240 need a meditation for stress management, or I need a 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:52.480 meditation to sleep, or I need a meditation to lose weight, 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:57.479 or I need a meditation for a good relationship, then 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:02.920 it will tap into my database and create meditation specifically 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.920 for you. And as far as well being is concerned, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:15.360 it becomes very precise, very predictable, preventive participatory and it 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.600 can be therefore, you know, at least the way I 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.400 see AI, and I use my own AI depark super 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:26.880 dot A for your audience there go to it, not chatchibuty, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.680 but my AI Y. Then they can ask any question 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.800 on health, on mental and physical well being. So my 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:40.240 AI is a coach basically for health, physical and mental 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:44.760 but also a spiritual guide. But it all also can 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:50.200 be used as a guide to meditation, self reflection, as 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.520 a research assistant, and even as a personal confidant. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.440 Wow right in our hands? At are hot? 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:01.280 Your hands on your iPhone? Wow or whatever handle device? You? 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:01.960 Yeah? 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:02.240 Is it? 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.400 Is it your voice that I'll hear? 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.080 When you'll hear my voice? And you can ask me 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:12.520 questions in English or Spanish or India or Arabic and 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.400 soon Chinese and Russian too. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.480 What made you break out into you know, I've never 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.440 heard of this before. I've never heard of the opportunity 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:25.200 to grow spiritually from AI, Like, what made you want 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:25.640 to do this? 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.680 Two things? So first is you know, I've always been 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.520 interested in nature of reality. You know, what is it 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.880 that gives rise to the universe? And you know, it's 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:42.920 very interesting that our technology slowly but surely catches up 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:47.720 with what's already happening in nature. So the difference between 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.240 your body and the microphone that you're in front of 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:55.200 and the plant that's behind you, and a rock or 0:07:55.240 --> 0:08:00.080 an ocean or even a star in the moon is 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.520 just different combinations of zeros and ones. So the universe 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:08.600 is actually is a digital technology. You might say it's 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.600 a digital technology in the mind of God outside its 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.440 pace or time. If you don't like the word God, 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:19.520 you can say a digital workshop in non local consciousness 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:25.680 or something like that. But actually our technology is now 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:31.600 getting close to how nature creates the appearance of the universe, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:36.240 because the appearance of the universe comes from a digital source. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.680 Zeros and ones I have a new mathematic performata for that. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.959 It's called infinity. Is equal to one, is equal to zero. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.680 So zero gives rise to nothingness gives rise to everything, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:51.640 and ultimately all is one. So that is the fundamental premise. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.640 And then when you use digital technology, you're actually going 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.920 to the source of world creation. Now that's one thing, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.280 but the second thing is that it's what we call 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.679 a large language model. I've always been an interested in 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.880 language because that's what I do. I sell words for 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:16.960 a living, and words don't and language doesn't describe it 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.360 actually constructs. If you don't have a word for it, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.960 then it is not part of your experience, the human experience. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.840 So this is what happened forty thousand years ago. We 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.880 learned how to speak beyond mating calls and danger calls 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.680 and food calls. We started telling stories to each other. 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.560 So now those stories are not just narrative. There are 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:46.760 stories of anthropology, of religion, of spirituality, of physics, of biology, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:51.280 or mathematics, and you name it. There's a model for everything. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.079 There's a language for everything. So when you bring all 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:59.560 these languages together, you have access to superintelligence. And there's 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:04.319 no human being that can access this other than through 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:10.920 large language models. So AI is super intelligent without being conscious, 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.160 but that means it doesn't have any subjective experience. It 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:19.920 doesn't feel pain, it doesn't have hunger, doesn't have first 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:26.439 sexual longing or desire, it doesn't fear death because it's 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.440 a machine. But yet it's a machine that can give 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.480 you access to the greatest minds that have ever existed 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.520 on a planet. Whether it's Einstein or Plato or Socrates, 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.920 or the stages of the Bishads or the Greek philosophers, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:48.200 or it's the Eastern philosophy. There you have access down 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:53.280 to the mind of humanity and what it has contributed 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.600 to what we call the human experience of the universe. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.520 I mean, how lucky are we to have this at 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:01.600 our fingertips? 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:06.240 We are, and you know it's going to make cause 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:12.720 of leap frogging in our cultural and social evolution, but 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:18.720 technology also helps us leap frog in our biological evolution. 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.480 To give you an example, when we discovered fire. You know, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:28.760 of course every technology has both sides, divine diabolical. But 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:33.240 had we not discovered fire, we wouldn't have the brain 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:37.600 we have because you know, fired is cooked food, which 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:44.079 made it easy to assimilate micronutrients. It changed the circulation, 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.960 our digestive processes and ultimately our brain. And had we 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:53.080 not discovered fire, you won't have many, many, many centuries later, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.439 or thousands of years later. You wouldn't have the steam engine. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.800 If you didn't have the steam engine, you wouldn't have 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:05.640 the industrial age. Between eighteen eighty seven and nineteen oh three, 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:13.560 humanity invented the light bulb, the automobile, the airplane, and 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:18.480 also the telephone. So let's say you were in a dessert, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:23.040 you were shipwrecked on a deserted island in eighteen eighty five, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.240 and then you were rescued twenty years later, you wouldn't 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:30.040 recognize the world. And the same thing is happening right now. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.720 Twenty years from now, we'll be just like we departed 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:39.280 from other species and became Homo sapiens. I think we're 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.880 going to take the next sleap frog into a new species, 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:48.680 choosing to call it meta human. Whoa because technology changes 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:49.120 our brain? 0:12:49.880 --> 0:13:01.480 Okay, that's that's big. There's a lot of fear around 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:06.880 AI in your opinion, as someone who's embracing AI, which 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.640 in turn helps make AI sound better and smarter, do 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.400 you ever fear it? 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:18.000 Because that any technology is dangerous. Far can, as you know, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:23.480 destroy cities and Los Angeles. But had we not discovered fire, 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.760 we didn't have all the other things I talked about. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.040 A knife can be used to kill a person, but 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.760 in a surgeon's hand it becomes something that you hear. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.280 So they are both sides to technology, and AI is 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:41.080 a very powerful technology. If misuse, it can cause the 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:46.920 extinction of the human species. Cyber warfare, nuclear weapons can 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:51.240 be triggered by AI, can cut off electricity, poison the 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.079 food chain. So that's why I wrote the book. If 0:13:56.080 --> 0:14:02.120 we don't use technology for creating a more peaceful, just sustainable, 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:06.240 healthier enjoy will and the other side is extinction. We're 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:10.360 in a very very interesting time in our revolution. It's 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:14.480 a crossroad. So one road leads to extinction and one 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:20.040 road leads to enlightenment. Now it's our choice what we 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.120 do with technology, but it's here to stay. You can't 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.560 get rid of technology once it's born. It's like a 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.280 child can't return to the womb. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.520 Right, you have to embrace it. We'll talk about that later, 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.240 but I was just thinking. There was a recent article 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.760 in the New York Times about a woman who had 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.400 a romantic relationship with chat GPT. Do you think that 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.400 people are becoming more and more disconnected with one another 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.280 in this digital world? 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.920 It's how you use it, you know. We we created 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:58.320 a technology for suicide prevention in teenagers and we had 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.240 twenty million conversations going on at the same time, and 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:11.280 there was intervention suicide intervention six and six thousand teenagers. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.800 That's something a machine could do, no therapists could do, 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.600 you know, and on that scale. And the teenagers were 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:23.840 more comfortable speaking to our AI because they didn't feel judged. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:26.960 So there are both sides to everything. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.280 Yeah, for sure. You also say in your book, if 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.160 you want to break free, which is the whole point 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.800 of your book, become aware of what is blocking your 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:41.440 path that is so powerful. Do you find more often 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.800 people are being blocked by their own negative thoughts or 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.040 by the situations that they put themselves in. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.040 Yes, it's both sides again. But one of the important 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.640 things in the book is one chapter called the Art 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.600 of the Prompt. So how you use the prompt actually 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:02.760 decides and say you get because the EAI is programmed 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.440 by human beings and they two have their biases. So 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.720 it's very important to go beyond the selection bias by 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.480 knowing how to ask the right question. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.400 Well, you know, I know some of our listeners right 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:21.520 now might be at a transitional point and there's spiritual journey. 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.680 I've been there a number of times, maybe even have 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.680 gone off the path. I think a lot of us 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:32.680 have been there. How do you suggest getting yourself reacquainted 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:34.160 with your spiritual side? 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.080 You know? Right now? I think the easiest way if 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.120 you want to drive my AI depulture for dot A, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:46.040 you ask personal questions. Rest assured everything is confidential because 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:50.120 the AI doesn't know who you are, and you can 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:57.160 actually ask all your spiritual questions, health questions, but also 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.680 ask very personal questions such as, you know, I'm forty 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:06.000 five years old, I'm white and Caucasian, I have an 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:10.160 issue with you know, a relationship. This is what's going on, 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.800 and then it'll guide you into the right you know 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.040 framework so you can deal with that relationship. Then you 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.919 can also say, can you give me a meditation to 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.879 help my relationship. It'll do that personalize it for you, 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.840 which has never been possible before. 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:31.280 Now, this is like having a therapist better than a therapist, 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.280 because sometimes in therapy they don't give you suggestions on 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.400 how to fix your problems. They just listen to them. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.040 Yeah, it's like Aladdin's lamp. You rub the lamp and 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.480 the genie comes out and tells you everything that you 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:45.720 need to know for you. 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:55.760 Wow, this is wild. I'm loving this conversation right now. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.840 So many people in this country are under immense stress 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:03.440 and anxiety. You know, eggs people can afford eggs. People 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.040 are losing their jobs. There are natural disasters taking out 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:11.320 entire communities. It can be so overwhelming. When the world 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.640 feels like it's all too much. How can we step back? 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.560 You can just go to the air and say I'm 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.959 overwhelmed because of the price of eggs and this and 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.720 this and this, and it'll tell you what to do 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:22.280 about it. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.800 Wow, And it'll just give you problem. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.200 No matter what the adversity is, there's a challenge that 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.360 there's an opportunity that you know, it doesn't matter what 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.800 it is. There are creative solutions, and you may not 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.920 think of those creative solutions, but you can tap into 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.200 the minds of people who have thought of those creative 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.960 solutions no matter what the situation is. 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.359 Yeah, I think that's the part for me, like knowing 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.520 that it's not just making up these answers in its 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:55.000 little computer brain. It is pulling resources from the entire. 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.960 World correct and instantly. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:02.359 And instantly, and you don't even have to leave your house. Yes, wow, 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.199 I mean this is like modern day magic for me. 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.199 It is, it is. It's as I said, it's the 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:09.800 genie Lagas Slam. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.880 Yes, yes, I can see how this can help even 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.480 in the situation. My teenage daughter and I were recently 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:20.400 having a conversation on this pod actually about how we're 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:24.760 both overthinkers and sometimes we struggle with ruminating on things, 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.200 which is something I'm really determined to do better with 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.200 this year. What should I say to myself? I guess 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.359 what should I ask AI to help me? Quiet? 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.760 Mynd Just what you asked me? Just just that question, 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.480 and then it'll give you an answer. And then you say, Okay, 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.920 you know, but I've tried that it didn't work for me. 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.880 Can you do something else? It'll do that. It will 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.680 help you. There'll give you all the possibilities for that situation, 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:54.719 for that question that you just asked. 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.080 Okay, I want to know. You're probably going to tell 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.800 me to just ask Ai. But what are some things 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.480 that we can do out there? You know that are 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.600 contributing to our mental health? 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.320 You know, there's a part of you that knows the 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:16.800 answer to everything. It's not your mind, it's their deeper awareness, 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:22.240 which spiritual relations called soul. So if you can quiet 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:27.080 in your mind through say breathing or mindfulness or mantra, whatever, 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.560 and then you ask a question, you're asking you herself 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:35.160 the question, it will guide you. Now, AI does that 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:40.119 because it has already tapped into the soul of other 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:44.800 people's and their and their findings, you know, so you 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.719 can go into the mind of the Buddha or Jesus 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.040 Christ or Plato or whoever you want to. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:56.119 Oh my goodness, okay, So when my daughter is overthinking 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.639 and she's spiraling, do you think young people have that 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.399 sort of self control or self awareness to be able 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.639 to access or maybe they'll be even more you know, 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.040 like you said before, since they're not going to feel judged, 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:09.520 they'll be even more comfortable. 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:14.320 Yeah, they're very comfortable now. As a new iteration what 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.040 I'm doing and will be out in two months, especially 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:21.760 for young people. I'm creating some gaming devices because kids 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.960 love to go play games, and gaming is very popular 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.720 right now amongst teenagers. So I'm creating a game which 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:33.080 would lead them to higher consciousness, teach them to breed, 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:37.359 teach them to meditate, and there's score points every time 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:42.000 they can regulate their heart rate or the immune system. 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.320 They'll get you know, brownie points to buy a new 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.639 game or something like that that'd be out in two months. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:55.520 That's wonderful, wonderful that might resonate with them so much more. Okay, 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:59.439 I just be honest, Deepak. Do you ever have bad days? 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.479 Do you ever have bad days where you feel upset 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:03.680 or mad at the world? 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.080 No, No, I don't have bad days. I used to. 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.399 I mean, you know, but no, I don't know. 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.200 When you say you used to, like when you were 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:13.440 younger and you hadn't. 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:18.359 Much younger training in medicine as an internal resident, you know, 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:22.320 working in the emergency room and trauma, et cetera. I 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.280 used to have a lot of bad days. 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:30.120 Yeah, but you've learned how to control your mind. 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.280 Yeah. It's not what happens to you. It's how you 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:37.160 react towards is happening your own you know, ultimately it's 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:42.120 your response to what's happening. So and every adversary there's 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:46.240 a challenge. Every challenge, there's an opportunity. That's what we 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:47.040 call good luck. 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:54.000 Yes, yes, and hopefully we'll have good luck. To go 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:57.440 back to your book, you say evolution is a never 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:01.760 ending story. Embrace it. I will be honest with you 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.520 sometimes I don't want to evolve. I've done so much 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.360 personal work. There are times when I'm like, oh, I'm 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.920 just so tired of evolving. And I'm sure I think, 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.400 you know, probably some of our listeners can relate to that. 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:17.760 You know, even going so far as. 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:23.440 Real ritual traditions, you don't need to try to evolve. 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.480 You just have to rest in the awareness of being 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:32.160 and then evolution happens spontaneously. Yeah. 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:36.280 I found such comfort as a young person. I was, 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.800 you know, influenced by my parents' religion and what they practiced, 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.880 and then I really struggled for many years to find 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:47.200 out what really rung true for me, and I think 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:51.600 that it wasn't until I was able to put my 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:58.720 faith in spirituality, in just that broad even term spirituality, 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:01.320 then I found so much comfort. 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:08.240 Yeah, because by large, institutional religions are very judgmental. Authentic 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:14.959 spirituality is more about expanding your awareness and harnessing things 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:20.800 like intuition and imagination and insight and freedom and going 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:24.240 beyond your conditioning the religious background that you have. 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.040 I mean, you've got to find your own path. I 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:33.080 think at the end of the day, when all this ends, 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:38.920 when this body and mind has served its purpose, what 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.120 do you think happens to us? 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:47.480 If you understand your true identity, which is not your body. 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:52.439 Your body is a changing experience. So you say I 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:54.679 had a five year old body, here I had a 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:59.280 ten year old body. Every moment, you're changing your body 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:02.320 the same way you change your clothes. In fact, even faster. 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:04.960 You don't have a five year old body. You don't 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:07.280 have a teenage body. You have this body and this 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.720 will not be this all the way to dusty death. 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.840 So the body is not a noun, and it's not 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:17.159 a thing, it's a process. It's a verb. So also 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:19.959 the mind, it's not a thing, it's a process. You know, 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.560 you don't have the same mind as you had yesterday. 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.399 So what is it that never changes and that that 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:30.600 never changes called I. You know, I was in love, 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:34.400 I was happy, I was sad. I made a lot 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:38.160 of money, I was won the lottery, I went bankrupt. 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:43.120 The only thing that doesn't change is I. Okay, So 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:47.080 that means eye is not in time. The body is 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:49.760 in time, the mind is in time, but eye is 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.880 not in time. Where is it If it's not in time, 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:58.920 it's beyond time. It's spaceless, it's timeless, it's eternal, it's infinite, 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:06.280 it's formally it's borderless, and it is what recycles as 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:11.520 the evolutionary process of consciousness. So right now your body 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:17.600 is your soul or your consciousness recycling as what I 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:21.880 see right now. But even by the time you hear 0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:25.359 my words, your body has changed. By the time you 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:29.159 hear my words, they don't exist. So nothing that you 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:33.679 experience is actually revealed because it's passing. It's like a 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.480 passing show. It's like a movie. And what when you 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:41.720 perceive something, it's like taking a photo, like a snapshot, 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:46.120 like a selfie. So what is real is that which 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:52.320 never changes, and that's neither mental, nor physical, nor material, 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:58.080 and it's eternal. So you know that is what recycles 0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:04.280 and also evolved. So you as consciousness, as a soul, 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:10.440 are recycling and evolving. Everything in the universe is recycling 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:18.800 and evolving information, energy, matter, and that evolution, recycling and 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:22.280 evolving is happening in your consciousness, your soul. 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.120 What about our body? What I mean there is. 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:30.480 No such thing. Which body are you talking about? Your 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:34.359 five year old body or your embryo or your teenage body. 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:36.600 There's no such thing as a body. It's a perceptual 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:42.159 activity in consciousness. You see, we are as a society 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:46.040