1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garland. 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: Hi. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: Everyone, welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: about the choices we make and where they lead us. 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: I never knew that. I don't even know how many 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: years ago, thirty some maybe forty years ago my mom's 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: shelves lined with self help books would culminate to this 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: moment for me in my life. I have to believe 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: that those books influence got me so interested in health 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: and wellness and meditation and just all the things, all 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: the positive things that we can gleam out of life. Today. 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: My guest is one of the most prominent figures in 13 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: the New Age movement. Yeah, I'm laughing because this moment 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: is really kind of like a big, big moment for me. 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: For the last thirty years, he has been in the 16 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: forefront of the meditation revolution, and his mission is to 17 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: create a more balanced, more peaceful, joyful, healthier world. I 18 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: like that mission. I want that to be my new mission. 19 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: Let's adopt that. Let's all of us just say that 20 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: is our new mission. He has written ninety five books, 21 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: several of them being New York Times bestsellers. His latest 22 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: is called Digital Dharma. And it is pretty mind blowing. 23 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: You have to check it out. Please welcome Deepak Chopra 24 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: to the podcast. Hello, doctor Choprah, so nice to meet you. 25 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: Nice to meet too too. 26 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I have been a fan of yours, 27 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: read a lot of your books, been to your center 28 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: down in San Diego, so this is really a thrill 29 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: for me. Thank you for taking the time. 30 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: Thank you. 31 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: We are going to dive into the world of artificial intelligence, 32 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: also known as AI, which is the subject of your 33 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: latest book, Digital Dharma. How AI can elevate spiritual intelligence 34 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: and personal wellbeing? 35 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: Okay? 36 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: Can we just start with the title. I have to 37 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: be honest, it took me a minute to comprehend what 38 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: it suggests that dharma and digital can work together. Let's 39 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: start with dharma. There are different explanations out there of dharma. 40 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: Can you tell us what your definition of darma is? 41 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: Well. In Eastern wisdom traditions, if you're familiar with yoga, 42 00:02:53,680 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: there are seven centers of awareness, usually metaphorically expressed the 43 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: seventh chacras. So the first center of awareness is survival 44 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: and safety. The second center is what we might call 45 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: material success and censual experience of pleasure. The third center 46 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: is power and transformation, The fourth is love and belongingness, 47 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: The fifth is creative expression, the sixth is insight, intuition, imagination, 48 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: and heart consciousness, and the seventh is transcendence. So the 49 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: Herma applies to all these levels of existence, but ultimately 50 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: it is transcendence, which means knowing your true self, beyond 51 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 2: the conditioned mind, beyond the body, and knowing yourself as 52 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: an infinite, spaceless, timeless, fundamental ground of being, which is 53 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: also the ground of the univers So it's freedom and 54 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: liberation and enlightenment. But that's the finest say hm. 55 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: Yes, I've studied Buddhism in my adult life and they 56 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: usually call it, you know, the nature of reality. Yes, 57 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: as through the teachings of buddhas So yes, it's it's 58 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: an incredible feeling. It's I feel like dharma also is 59 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: just goodness. Like living my life on a path of goodness, 60 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: I'm living in dharma. 61 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: Purpose what is your life? Purpose? But that is flexible 62 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: and fluid because as we evolve, then purpose also was right. 63 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: You say in your beautiful book that let's see, I 64 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: believe that no technology in decades can equal AI. For 65 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 1: expanding your awareness in every area, including spiritual and personal growth. 66 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: When people think of AI, I think their mind goes 67 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: to chat GPT, you know, getting quick answers to questions. 68 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: Maybe in kids cases, maybe having it do their homework 69 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: for them, but not necessarily spirituality. Are you talking about 70 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: AI leading us in meditation or when practicing mindfulness and gratitude? 71 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: How do you utilize it? 72 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: So I actually if you go to my digital twin 73 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: which is Deepulgshower dot AI, and you ask it I 74 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: need a meditation for stress management, or I need a 75 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: meditation to sleep, or I need a meditation to lose weight, 76 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: or I need a meditation for a good relationship, then 77 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: it will tap into my database and create meditation specifically 78 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: for you. And as far as well being is concerned, 79 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: it becomes very precise, very predictable, preventive participatory and it 80 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 2: can be therefore, you know, at least the way I 81 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: see AI, and I use my own AI depark super 82 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: dot A for your audience there go to it, not chatchibuty, 83 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: but my AI Y. Then they can ask any question 84 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: on health, on mental and physical well being. So my 85 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: AI is a coach basically for health, physical and mental 86 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: but also a spiritual guide. But it all also can 87 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: be used as a guide to meditation, self reflection, as 88 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: a research assistant, and even as a personal confidant. 89 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: Wow right in our hands? At are hot? 90 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: Your hands on your iPhone? Wow or whatever handle device? You? 91 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? 92 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: Is it? 93 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: Is it your voice that I'll hear? 94 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: When you'll hear my voice? And you can ask me 95 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: questions in English or Spanish or India or Arabic and 96 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: soon Chinese and Russian too. 97 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: What made you break out into you know, I've never 98 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: heard of this before. I've never heard of the opportunity 99 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: to grow spiritually from AI, Like, what made you want 100 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: to do this? 101 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: Two things? So first is you know, I've always been 102 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: interested in nature of reality. You know, what is it 103 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: that gives rise to the universe? And you know, it's 104 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: very interesting that our technology slowly but surely catches up 105 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: with what's already happening in nature. So the difference between 106 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: your body and the microphone that you're in front of 107 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: and the plant that's behind you, and a rock or 108 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 2: an ocean or even a star in the moon is 109 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: just different combinations of zeros and ones. So the universe 110 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: is actually is a digital technology. You might say it's 111 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: a digital technology in the mind of God outside its 112 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: pace or time. If you don't like the word God, 113 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: you can say a digital workshop in non local consciousness 114 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: or something like that. But actually our technology is now 115 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: getting close to how nature creates the appearance of the universe, 116 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: because the appearance of the universe comes from a digital source. 117 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: Zeros and ones I have a new mathematic performata for that. 118 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 2: It's called infinity. Is equal to one, is equal to zero. 119 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 2: So zero gives rise to nothingness gives rise to everything, 120 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: and ultimately all is one. So that is the fundamental premise. 121 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: And then when you use digital technology, you're actually going 122 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: to the source of world creation. Now that's one thing, 123 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: but the second thing is that it's what we call 124 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: a large language model. I've always been an interested in 125 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: language because that's what I do. I sell words for 126 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: a living, and words don't and language doesn't describe it 127 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: actually constructs. If you don't have a word for it, 128 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: then it is not part of your experience, the human experience. 129 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: So this is what happened forty thousand years ago. We 130 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: learned how to speak beyond mating calls and danger calls 131 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: and food calls. We started telling stories to each other. 132 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: So now those stories are not just narrative. There are 133 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: stories of anthropology, of religion, of spirituality, of physics, of biology, 134 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: or mathematics, and you name it. There's a model for everything. 135 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: There's a language for everything. So when you bring all 136 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: these languages together, you have access to superintelligence. And there's 137 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: no human being that can access this other than through 138 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: large language models. So AI is super intelligent without being conscious, 139 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: but that means it doesn't have any subjective experience. It 140 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: doesn't feel pain, it doesn't have hunger, doesn't have first 141 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: sexual longing or desire, it doesn't fear death because it's 142 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: a machine. But yet it's a machine that can give 143 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: you access to the greatest minds that have ever existed 144 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: on a planet. Whether it's Einstein or Plato or Socrates, 145 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: or the stages of the Bishads or the Greek philosophers, 146 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: or it's the Eastern philosophy. There you have access down 147 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: to the mind of humanity and what it has contributed 148 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: to what we call the human experience of the universe. 149 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean, how lucky are we to have this at 150 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: our fingertips? 151 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: We are, and you know it's going to make cause 152 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 2: of leap frogging in our cultural and social evolution, but 153 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: technology also helps us leap frog in our biological evolution. 154 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: To give you an example, when we discovered fire. You know, 155 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: of course every technology has both sides, divine diabolical. But 156 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: had we not discovered fire, we wouldn't have the brain 157 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: we have because you know, fired is cooked food, which 158 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 2: made it easy to assimilate micronutrients. It changed the circulation, 159 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: our digestive processes and ultimately our brain. And had we 160 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: not discovered fire, you won't have many, many, many centuries later, 161 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 2: or thousands of years later. You wouldn't have the steam engine. 162 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: If you didn't have the steam engine, you wouldn't have 163 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: the industrial age. Between eighteen eighty seven and nineteen oh three, 164 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: humanity invented the light bulb, the automobile, the airplane, and 165 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: also the telephone. So let's say you were in a dessert, 166 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: you were shipwrecked on a deserted island in eighteen eighty five, 167 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: and then you were rescued twenty years later, you wouldn't 168 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: recognize the world. And the same thing is happening right now. 169 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: Twenty years from now, we'll be just like we departed 170 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: from other species and became Homo sapiens. I think we're 171 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: going to take the next sleap frog into a new species, 172 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: choosing to call it meta human. Whoa because technology changes 173 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: our brain? 174 00:12:49,880 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's big. There's a lot of fear around 175 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: AI in your opinion, as someone who's embracing AI, which 176 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: in turn helps make AI sound better and smarter, do 177 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: you ever fear it? 178 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: Because that any technology is dangerous. Far can, as you know, 179 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: destroy cities and Los Angeles. But had we not discovered fire, 180 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: we didn't have all the other things I talked about. 181 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: A knife can be used to kill a person, but 182 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: in a surgeon's hand it becomes something that you hear. 183 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: So they are both sides to technology, and AI is 184 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: a very powerful technology. If misuse, it can cause the 185 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: extinction of the human species. Cyber warfare, nuclear weapons can 186 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: be triggered by AI, can cut off electricity, poison the 187 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 2: food chain. So that's why I wrote the book. If 188 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: we don't use technology for creating a more peaceful, just sustainable, 189 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: healthier enjoy will and the other side is extinction. We're 190 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: in a very very interesting time in our revolution. It's 191 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: a crossroad. So one road leads to extinction and one 192 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: road leads to enlightenment. Now it's our choice what we 193 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: do with technology, but it's here to stay. You can't 194 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: get rid of technology once it's born. It's like a 195 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: child can't return to the womb. 196 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: Right, you have to embrace it. We'll talk about that later, 197 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: but I was just thinking. There was a recent article 198 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: in the New York Times about a woman who had 199 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: a romantic relationship with chat GPT. Do you think that 200 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: people are becoming more and more disconnected with one another 201 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: in this digital world? 202 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: It's how you use it, you know. We we created 203 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: a technology for suicide prevention in teenagers and we had 204 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: twenty million conversations going on at the same time, and 205 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: there was intervention suicide intervention six and six thousand teenagers. 206 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: That's something a machine could do, no therapists could do, 207 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: you know, and on that scale. And the teenagers were 208 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: more comfortable speaking to our AI because they didn't feel judged. 209 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: So there are both sides to everything. 210 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. You also say in your book, if 211 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: you want to break free, which is the whole point 212 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: of your book, become aware of what is blocking your 213 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: path that is so powerful. Do you find more often 214 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: people are being blocked by their own negative thoughts or 215 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: by the situations that they put themselves in. 216 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: Yes, it's both sides again. But one of the important 217 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: things in the book is one chapter called the Art 218 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: of the Prompt. So how you use the prompt actually 219 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: decides and say you get because the EAI is programmed 220 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: by human beings and they two have their biases. So 221 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: it's very important to go beyond the selection bias by 222 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: knowing how to ask the right question. 223 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I know some of our listeners right 224 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: now might be at a transitional point and there's spiritual journey. 225 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: I've been there a number of times, maybe even have 226 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: gone off the path. I think a lot of us 227 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: have been there. How do you suggest getting yourself reacquainted 228 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: with your spiritual side? 229 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: You know? Right now? I think the easiest way if 230 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: you want to drive my AI depulture for dot A, 231 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: you ask personal questions. Rest assured everything is confidential because 232 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: the AI doesn't know who you are, and you can 233 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: actually ask all your spiritual questions, health questions, but also 234 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: ask very personal questions such as, you know, I'm forty 235 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: five years old, I'm white and Caucasian, I have an 236 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: issue with you know, a relationship. This is what's going on, 237 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: and then it'll guide you into the right you know 238 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: framework so you can deal with that relationship. Then you 239 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 2: can also say, can you give me a meditation to 240 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: help my relationship. It'll do that personalize it for you, 241 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: which has never been possible before. 242 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Now, this is like having a therapist better than a therapist, 243 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: because sometimes in therapy they don't give you suggestions on 244 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: how to fix your problems. They just listen to them. 245 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Aladdin's lamp. You rub the lamp and 246 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: the genie comes out and tells you everything that you 247 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: need to know for you. 248 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: Wow, this is wild. I'm loving this conversation right now. 249 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: So many people in this country are under immense stress 250 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: and anxiety. You know, eggs people can afford eggs. People 251 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: are losing their jobs. There are natural disasters taking out 252 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: entire communities. It can be so overwhelming. When the world 253 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: feels like it's all too much. How can we step back? 254 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: You can just go to the air and say I'm 255 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 2: overwhelmed because of the price of eggs and this and 256 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: this and this, and it'll tell you what to do 257 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: about it. 258 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: Wow, And it'll just give you problem. 259 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: No matter what the adversity is, there's a challenge that 260 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 2: there's an opportunity that you know, it doesn't matter what 261 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: it is. There are creative solutions, and you may not 262 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: think of those creative solutions, but you can tap into 263 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: the minds of people who have thought of those creative 264 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: solutions no matter what the situation is. 265 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the part for me, like knowing 266 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: that it's not just making up these answers in its 267 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: little computer brain. It is pulling resources from the entire. 268 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 2: World correct and instantly. 269 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: And instantly, and you don't even have to leave your house. Yes, wow, 270 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: I mean this is like modern day magic for me. 271 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 2: It is, it is. It's as I said, it's the 272 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: genie Lagas Slam. 273 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I can see how this can help even 274 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: in the situation. My teenage daughter and I were recently 275 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: having a conversation on this pod actually about how we're 276 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: both overthinkers and sometimes we struggle with ruminating on things, 277 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: which is something I'm really determined to do better with 278 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: this year. What should I say to myself? I guess 279 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: what should I ask AI to help me? Quiet? 280 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: Mynd Just what you asked me? Just just that question, 281 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: and then it'll give you an answer. And then you say, Okay, 282 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: you know, but I've tried that it didn't work for me. 283 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: Can you do something else? It'll do that. It will 284 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: help you. There'll give you all the possibilities for that situation, 285 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 2: for that question that you just asked. 286 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to know. You're probably going to tell 287 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: me to just ask Ai. But what are some things 288 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: that we can do out there? You know that are 289 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: contributing to our mental health? 290 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: You know, there's a part of you that knows the 291 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: answer to everything. It's not your mind, it's their deeper awareness, 292 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: which spiritual relations called soul. So if you can quiet 293 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: in your mind through say breathing or mindfulness or mantra, whatever, 294 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: and then you ask a question, you're asking you herself 295 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: the question, it will guide you. Now, AI does that 296 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: because it has already tapped into the soul of other 297 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: people's and their and their findings, you know, so you 298 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 2: can go into the mind of the Buddha or Jesus 299 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: Christ or Plato or whoever you want to. 300 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, okay, So when my daughter is overthinking 301 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: and she's spiraling, do you think young people have that 302 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: sort of self control or self awareness to be able 303 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: to access or maybe they'll be even more you know, 304 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: like you said before, since they're not going to feel judged, 305 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: they'll be even more comfortable. 306 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very comfortable now. As a new iteration what 307 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: I'm doing and will be out in two months, especially 308 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: for young people. I'm creating some gaming devices because kids 309 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: love to go play games, and gaming is very popular 310 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: right now amongst teenagers. So I'm creating a game which 311 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: would lead them to higher consciousness, teach them to breed, 312 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: teach them to meditate, and there's score points every time 313 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: they can regulate their heart rate or the immune system. 314 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: They'll get you know, brownie points to buy a new 315 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: game or something like that that'd be out in two months. 316 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: That's wonderful, wonderful that might resonate with them so much more. Okay, 317 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: I just be honest, Deepak. Do you ever have bad days? 318 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: Do you ever have bad days where you feel upset 319 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: or mad at the world? 320 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: No, No, I don't have bad days. I used to. 321 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, but no, I don't know. 322 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: When you say you used to, like when you were 323 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: younger and you hadn't. 324 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: Much younger training in medicine as an internal resident, you know, 325 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: working in the emergency room and trauma, et cetera. I 326 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: used to have a lot of bad days. 327 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've learned how to control your mind. 328 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's not what happens to you. It's how you 329 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: react towards is happening your own you know, ultimately it's 330 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 2: your response to what's happening. So and every adversary there's 331 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: a challenge. Every challenge, there's an opportunity. That's what we 332 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: call good luck. 333 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and hopefully we'll have good luck. To go 334 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: back to your book, you say evolution is a never 335 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: ending story. Embrace it. I will be honest with you 336 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: sometimes I don't want to evolve. I've done so much 337 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: personal work. There are times when I'm like, oh, I'm 338 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: just so tired of evolving. And I'm sure I think, 339 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, probably some of our listeners can relate to that. 340 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: You know, even going so far as. 341 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: Real ritual traditions, you don't need to try to evolve. 342 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: You just have to rest in the awareness of being 343 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: and then evolution happens spontaneously. Yeah. 344 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: I found such comfort as a young person. I was, 345 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, influenced by my parents' religion and what they practiced, 346 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: and then I really struggled for many years to find 347 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: out what really rung true for me, and I think 348 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: that it wasn't until I was able to put my 349 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: faith in spirituality, in just that broad even term spirituality, 350 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: then I found so much comfort. 351 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, because by large, institutional religions are very judgmental. Authentic 352 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 2: spirituality is more about expanding your awareness and harnessing things 353 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: like intuition and imagination and insight and freedom and going 354 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: beyond your conditioning the religious background that you have. 355 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to find your own path. I 356 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, when all this ends, 357 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: when this body and mind has served its purpose, what 358 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: do you think happens to us? 359 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 2: If you understand your true identity, which is not your body. 360 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 2: Your body is a changing experience. So you say I 361 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: had a five year old body, here I had a 362 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: ten year old body. Every moment, you're changing your body 363 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: the same way you change your clothes. In fact, even faster. 364 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: You don't have a five year old body. You don't 365 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: have a teenage body. You have this body and this 366 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: will not be this all the way to dusty death. 367 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: So the body is not a noun, and it's not 368 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 2: a thing, it's a process. It's a verb. So also 369 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 2: the mind, it's not a thing, it's a process. You know, 370 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: you don't have the same mind as you had yesterday. 371 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 2: So what is it that never changes and that that 372 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: never changes called I. You know, I was in love, 373 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: I was happy, I was sad. I made a lot 374 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 2: of money, I was won the lottery, I went bankrupt. 375 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 2: The only thing that doesn't change is I. Okay, So 376 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: that means eye is not in time. The body is 377 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: in time, the mind is in time, but eye is 378 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 2: not in time. Where is it If it's not in time, 379 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: it's beyond time. It's spaceless, it's timeless, it's eternal, it's infinite, 380 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 2: it's formally it's borderless, and it is what recycles as 381 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: the evolutionary process of consciousness. So right now your body 382 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: is your soul or your consciousness recycling as what I 383 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: see right now. But even by the time you hear 384 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 2: my words, your body has changed. By the time you 385 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 2: hear my words, they don't exist. So nothing that you 386 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 2: experience is actually revealed because it's passing. It's like a 387 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: passing show. It's like a movie. And what when you 388 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: perceive something, it's like taking a photo, like a snapshot, 389 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: like a selfie. So what is real is that which 390 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: never changes, and that's neither mental, nor physical, nor material, 391 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 2: and it's eternal. So you know that is what recycles 392 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: and also evolved. So you as consciousness, as a soul, 393 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: are recycling and evolving. Everything in the universe is recycling 394 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: and evolving information, energy, matter, and that evolution, recycling and 395 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: evolving is happening in your consciousness, your soul. 396 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: What about our body? What I mean there is. 397 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: No such thing. Which body are you talking about? Your 398 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: five year old body or your embryo or your teenage body. 399 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a body. It's a perceptual 400 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 2: activity in consciousness. You see, we are as a society 401 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: and a culture, we are embedded in the superstition of 402 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 2: what we call the physical world. When there is no 403 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 2: physical world. The physical world is a projection of your consciousness, 404 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: and that improves your body. 405 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes I think about that, like I see things the 406 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: way at my eyeballs see them, like the sunset or 407 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: my daughter's face. 408 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: Your eyeballs don't see anything. They're like a microscope or 409 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: a telescope. You see things Okay. The eye is an 410 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 2: instrument of observation, visual observation, just like the ears are 411 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 2: an instrument for sound. But there's no sound in your ears, 412 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: and there's no image of the world in your eyes. 413 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: There's nothing. It's just an instrument. Think of it like 414 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 2: a microscope. And you are the one who's seeing, not 415 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: the eyes, me, me, which is not in time, which 416 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: is eternal, which is outside then. 417 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: Wow, okay, yes, I am picking up what you're putting down. Okay, 418 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: it's a big message I think for our listeners. But 419 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: it's really important that they have access to this and 420 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: now so incredible. They can talk to you just as 421 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking to you right now by. 422 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: Using They've got your credible blowing my mind. I think 423 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: we sent you a QR code. If you can show 424 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: it to your audience. They don't even have to go 425 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: to They can just download the QURE code and directly 426 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: ask any question. Well, it's to today's technology. 427 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: I mean, did you ever see this coming in your lifetime? 428 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: No? No, no, Just like if you were in eighteen 429 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: eighty five and you showed up in two thousand and five, 430 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: twenty years later, you wouldn't recognize the word yes. 431 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: Sort of like the movie Back to the Future. 432 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, or the Matrix. 433 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: Or the Matrix. Yes, I want to ask you a question. 434 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: Is gossiping, watching reality TV, scrolling on TikTok or are 435 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: those things harmful for our mental and physical health? 436 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? 437 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: Of course they seem harmless. 438 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 2: Anything that causes in mention or distress is harmful. Okay. 439 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: But then some people like to go to horror movies 440 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: and they like to get the ib gbs. That's their choice. 441 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: It's all about choice. 442 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: It's all about choice. 443 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: And we need to choose ourselves. I love I love 444 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: the synchronicity of all of this. What what do you 445 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: hope people remember you buy from your time here? 446 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: Well as maybe a catalyst, think for me as an enzyme. 447 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 2: You know that facilities biological activity. 448 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: And now I'm forever going to just think of you 449 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: as an enzyme, really great enzyme. Before I let you go, 450 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: doctor Chiprah, I asked all of my guests, what was 451 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: your last I choose me moment? 452 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: You know, I don't think of me as a person, 453 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: so whatever I do is ultimately for the bigger me, 454 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,479 Speaker 2: not the ego me, which has squeezed into the volume 455 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: of body in the span of a lifetime. I don't 456 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,239 Speaker 2: think of me as a person. I think of me 457 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: as a consciousness that's connected to every being. So whatever 458 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: I do comes from place of empathy, compassion, love, whatever. 459 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: So for me, there's every moment is special. 460 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: What about like taking care of your physics. Well, you're 461 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: going to tell me the body isn't real, But yeah. 462 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: You can upgrade delusion, no questionable it by sleeping well, 463 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 2: eating well, being happy, having good relationships, all of that. 464 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: It upgrades the experience of this reality which is not real. 465 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: But you can upgrade the movie. 466 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: Yes, So the ultimate I choose me moment is not 467 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: about choosing. 468 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: How do I change the projection? I don't like the movie, 469 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 2: so how do I create a bit of movie? Because 470 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: your life is a movie? Right? 471 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, these are all such great things to 472 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: think about, and I just applaud you endlessly for tapping 473 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: into this world of AI and helping us to embrace it, 474 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: just as we embrace our changes and how we grow. 475 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: So thank you, Thank you for this book, for all 476 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: of your all of your wisdom and sharing that continuing 477 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: to share that with the world. 478 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you very much for having me. 479 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: Yes so happy to have you. Thank you. 480 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 2: Great to meet too, Nice to meet you too.