1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is the production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear it for our super producer, 4 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: Max Live Williams. I was gonna say, Max Liar Williams, 5 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: he's not to be trusted. He gave us this big 6 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: countdown to our first session in the new studio, and 7 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: turns out he'd been recording the whole. 8 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: Time, the whole damn time. 9 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: God forbid of those outtakes that are making into the world. 10 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's gonna be over for us. It's true, though, 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm Ben your nol. We are here in person at 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: the new studios. This is for any long time listener. 13 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: This is the first time you and I have recorded 14 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: in a actual podcast studio instead of something we bootlegged. 15 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: Totally not to mention the first time Ridiculous History has 16 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: recorded in person in over a year. I'd say we dabbled, 17 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: you know, post pandemic in our previous offices, but frankly, 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: we just kind of gotten so used to the workflow 19 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: being able to podcast in our underwear. It was a 20 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: hard sell to leave the house. But now we're here 21 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: pants and all here. 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: How do you know I have pants? I'm a different 23 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: don't need to know. 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: It's true. We can't see below the bells on Max. 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 3: He's in a whole glass you know, booth situation. It's 26 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 3: very I don't even. 27 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Know we're another camera. He refuses to turn it on, 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: but there's a camera that lets us see what Max 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: is doing. 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: Pants cam. 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, actually it's only the upper half, so you 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: still want to know. 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: All right, well as you are, as you are probably 34 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: aware by the nature of the title. Here, folks, in 35 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: typical ridiculous history fashion, we are are celebrating a holiday 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: after it happens. 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: Only a couple of days. 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: Though. We're getting closer. 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: And to get all time you want me about it, 40 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: recording it well before the holiday. The holiday falls this 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 3: coming Sunday. We're recording this on a Thursday, and you'll 42 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 3: be hearing it on a Tuesday. Wrap your brain around 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: that this. 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Is the world in which we live, and this is 45 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: a holiday that is I think it's the pepsi to 46 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: the coca cola that is Mother's Day. Yeah. 47 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: It was a well meaning idea that wasn't immediately adopted 48 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 3: until people figured out how they could make a buck 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 3: off of it, that's right, and then followed by backlash 50 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: against those well meaning aforementioned well meaning folks. 51 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: It's father's yes, bless their hearts. Indeed, Noel as as 52 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: a father. I think you were telling me off air 53 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: that you forgot about the holiday until until your family 54 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: reminded you. 55 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: Well, isn't that as it should be? 56 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: Well? 57 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: What am I going to be counting down the day 58 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 3: as to Father's Day? Where's my whatever you get on 59 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: Father's Day in my card? I'm not petty that I'm 60 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: petty in other ways, tie would be good. I'm not 61 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 3: a tie guy. Though, maybe a money clip. 62 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you could get into cravats. 63 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: There you go. Isn't that the same thing as It's. 64 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: Just like it's a fancier but somehow lazier. 65 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: What's the short time ascot the Fred wears on Scooby 66 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: Doo oh Ascott? 67 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could get it, asked Scott. That's definitely a choice. 68 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: I gotta say, though, Father's Day. It's funny because, like 69 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people, I don't think we really explore 70 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: the history. Most times you just remember, oh that day's 71 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: coming up, and you remember it like right before at 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: least I. 73 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: Usually because Google changes their looks. 74 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 75 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: I was informed that I will be taken to a 76 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: brunch on Sunday, the Father's Day, And I honestly, they 77 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: said it like as though I was supposed to know 78 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: when that was going to be. And I had no 79 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: idea because I needed to put it in my calendar 80 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: to some degree. And I just think they gave you 81 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: the date, and there it is, and I'll show up. 82 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: Oh good, your presence is the present. Yeah. So okay, 83 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: as we as we learned with Mother's Day, you described 84 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: that heartbreaking kind of commonality they have. Father's Day is 85 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of recent too, I guess, in the grand scheme 86 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: of things, I thought for a long time I thought 87 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: it was like an early eighteen hundreds day. 88 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 3: I don't think I had much of a concept for it. 89 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: I just always lumped it in with kind of the 90 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: greeting card holidays of the world, you know. Woodrow Wilson, 91 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: as we mentioned in the Mother's Day episode, described Mother's 92 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 3: Day or as a way to recognize that tender, gentle army, 93 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: the mothers of America. And it turns out part of 94 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: the backlash around make a Father's Day a thing was 95 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: that it was like two, like it was it was 96 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: for girls. 97 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: I will not be recognized by my family. 98 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: I will be recognized by my labors and the slit 99 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: of my brow. 100 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: You shall have one firm handshake upon your eighteenth. 101 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: Birthday, and then we will never speak again exactly. 102 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's weird. People said, well, this feels kind 103 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: of effeminate because we have this association with Mother's Day. 104 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: It came first, did come first? Did come first? And 105 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: Father's Day then became an interesting concept that not everybody 106 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: was on board with. We know that people were trying 107 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: to make Father's Day a thing in the early nineteen hundreds, 108 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: I think in West Virginia in nineteen oh eight. 109 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were really trying to make fetch happen Father's Day. Fairmont, 110 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: West Virginia, July fifth, nineteen oh eight. Grace Golden Clayton 111 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: love fabulous old timy name, suggested to a local Methodist 112 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 3: minister that services be held to commemorate and celebrate the 113 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: fathers who lost their lives in a deadly mind explosion. 114 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Hundreds of dude, three hundred and sixty one dude. So 115 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: this is this is a very well intentioned thing, as 116 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: you said, but it's coming out of a tragedy. 117 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: Could have made it just a memorial for the thing 118 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: you not necessarily have to lump in all fathers here. 119 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: But again, good intentions, good inten but a little a 120 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: little weird. Just it feels like maybe that wasn't going 121 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 3: to stick. 122 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: And it sounds like different local communities had their own 123 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: kind of Father's Day esque things for a while, just 124 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: like in the case of Mother's Day, there was this 125 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: unofficial push to make it a national holiday that occurred 126 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: on the same day for everyone across the nation. And 127 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: a guy that we are going to cover in an 128 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: upcoming episode, William Jennings Bryant, w Yeah. Yeah, he was 129 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: a huge Father's Day fan. He was saying, you know, 130 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: if you think that's effeminate for kids to love their parents, 131 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: then you got work to do. 132 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: That's more of a you things. 133 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: That's not a NUS thing. 134 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: Also touched the silver Also, I have to backtrack, guys, 135 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 2: because we mentioned Woodrow Wilson and I didn't say anything, 136 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: all right, Woodrow Wilson, go fuck yourself. 137 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, not a great guy, boyhood home. I've already mentioned 138 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: all that stuff. Here's another president though, with a cool 139 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: nickname that I was not aware of. We've we've got Woodrow, 140 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: go fuck yourself, Wilson, and then we've got Calvin Silent 141 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: cal Coolidge. Did you ever heard that all before? I 142 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: haven't heard me. 143 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: I haven't heard silent Cal which is but I do 144 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: know why he has the nickname. He's a famously uh yeah, taciturn, 145 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: famously terse guy. One time and Max you know this 146 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: story too. Uh, he was at Coolidge was at a 147 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: party Silent Cal and someone said, I bet I could 148 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: get three words out of you, and he looked at 149 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: them and he kind of like, I guess what you 150 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: call it in the drag community. He read them and 151 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: then he went, you lose. 152 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: So there's another story about him, and it's basically so 153 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: he became president when Harding died in office Harding's VP. 154 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: It was like the last year of Harding's first term, 155 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: and he just kind of got re elected because he 156 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: was already on there. I yeah, this guy seems fine enough, 157 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: but he didn't really have interest in actually being the president. 158 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: So I think this story is pretty hypocryphal. But supposedly 159 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: he like handed one of his aids and letter and 160 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: got in a boat and rowed out into the middle 161 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: of a lake, and the letters said I am not 162 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: running for reelection. He just rode away and left. 163 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: Halijah Calvin wrote, rode the boat ashore. I was thinking 164 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: though the three words. Think. He also could have said 165 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 3: go fuck yourself. That would would be But then he 166 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 3: would have lost because he would have said three words, 167 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: but it would have been mean. Yeah, it would have 168 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: been an own but also like a self owned kind of. 169 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: He was like the yin to Churchill's Yang of snarkiness, 170 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: who you know, come along later. But silent cal so, 171 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to derailist. That is a really cool nickname. 172 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: He was a fan of Father's Day, right, Yeah, And 173 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: that's what it takes to get these things to pick 174 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: up steam. 175 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: You gotta have some high powered supporters. And even though 176 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: Silent Cow didn't say a whole lot, maybe you didn't 177 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: really want to be president, he did seem to take 178 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: the whole Father's Day as a national holiday concept and 179 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: run with it, but not enough that it actually happens. 180 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird because we know Wilson was on board, 181 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: Coolidge was on board. But if you look at the 182 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: origin story of Father's Day, you see that there are 183 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: two stories of when the first legit Father's Day was celebrated. 184 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: In some versions of the story, you'll hear about celebration 185 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: of Washington State in June nineteenth, nineteen ten, resident of 186 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: Spokane with another great name, Sonora Smart Nod. 187 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be that, actually, guy Ben, If I were 188 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: a Washingtonian, I would chastise you and say it's actually Spokane, Spokane. 189 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: They will come at you for that. Yeah. I only 190 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: found out because I did a podcast that was based 191 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 3: in and around I remember that Spokane. 192 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm glad you said someone. I'm going to be in 193 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: Spokane later this year. 194 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: Well, now you can talk like a local. 195 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: Thank you to the good Thank you, Nolan, thank you 196 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: to the good people of Spokane. Indeed, so Sonora Smart 197 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: Dodd though, that's a good name, fabulous right she Okay, 198 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: she was listening to a Mother's Day sermon at a church. 199 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: It's nineteen oh nine, and she says, hang on a tick. 200 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: Mothers are getting all this praise, and I'm not against mothers, 201 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: but I think fathers should get their own day as well. 202 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, equal time. It's like running for office 203 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: right now. Sonora's father was a real man's man, William Smart. 204 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: Mister Smart a Civil War veteran, a widower. His wife 205 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: had passed during childbirth of their sixth child, as was 206 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: much more common in those days. He raised six children 207 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: by himself on their farm, on their homestead in Washington State. 208 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 3: And you know, I think where you're seeing where we're 209 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 3: going with this here, he's a great example of like, look, 210 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 3: fathers can be mothers too. 211 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: Which might have added to the objections. That's a good point. Yeah, 212 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: And she said, you know, my dad's awesome, and I 213 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: want to show appreciation for all the hard work he did. 214 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: It's incredibly it can be incredibly difficult being a single parent, 215 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: especially to six children. So she says, I want to 216 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: pay homage to him, but I also want to say 217 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: it's for other dads in general, because I don't think 218 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: I can make me liking my dad specifically. A national 219 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: holidays totally. 220 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: They definitely could have made the mind explosion that killed 221 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 3: four hundred, you know men, at least a regional day 222 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: of mourning, right, But a holiday is celebrating one dude, 223 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 3: you know, who experienced personal tragedy. Not really how these 224 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: things work. 225 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough, you know, she initially said Okay, we're 226 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: going to do it on June fifth, that's the anniversary 227 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: of my father's death, and we'll celebrate Father's Day throughout 228 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: all the land. Uh. But eventually, I think due to 229 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: some some crossed wires and planning or scheduling, you know, 230 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: local government is too. 231 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 3: I am right, Uh, this. 232 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: Celebration got moved to the third Sunday in June. So 233 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: it's one of those confusing ones. I don't understand them. 234 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: One reason I'll never be able to tell you what day, 235 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: you know, any of those types of holidays are on, 236 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: because first of all, I'll never remember which Sunday in 237 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: June we're talking about, right, and second is the third. 238 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 3: It's like I just don't remember things with numbers in 239 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: them typically anyway, like. 240 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: And thinks like Thanksgiving is probably one of the big 241 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: examples of that in Easter two. But Thanksgiving I'm always like, well, 242 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: I just I guess I need to make sure I'm 243 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: not doing anything for four Thursdays. 244 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: Because it's one of those on a Thursday. I definitely 245 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: if you look at my Google history, plenty of what 246 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: day is Thanksgiving this year? You know, try to get 247 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: that lockdown in advance. But yeah, It's true there was 248 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: some cross wires, you know, local government being what it is, 249 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: third Sunday in June. As is often the case with 250 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: regional celebrations, the clergy back debts, and that's also a 251 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: part of what led it to kind of take off. 252 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: And the very first official Father's Day was celebrated on June, 253 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: the nineteenth year of Our Lord, nineteen hundred and ten. 254 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: That was the month of the birthday of Dodd's father. 255 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 3: Close enough, close enough birth month. And like we said, 256 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: silent cal is a fan of Father's Day in general. 257 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: He supports this date. He supports this observance. And fast 258 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: forward nineteen sixty six President London big Jumbumbo, Yeah, big 259 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: Jumbo Johnson is jumbo or Dumbo. 260 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: Jumbo jumbo is definitely we did think about it. Yeah, 261 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: he said, Okay, I'm issuing a presidential proclamation recognizing this 262 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: as Father's Day. It becomes a national holiday. In nineteen 263 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: seventy two, when President Richard Nixon Tricky Dick, we do 264 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: great impressions of him, he signed legislation saying the third 265 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: Sunday of June is gonna be Father's Day. That's according 266 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: to the one story, Go Dick he's tricky. He did 267 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: that one thing that was kid. I guess I don't know. 268 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: We're not really taking a stance on Father's Day here, 269 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: by the way, that is not for us to decide. No, No, 270 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: that's that's that's for the father's I would just say 271 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: in general, holidays of this ILK are odd. They're often 272 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: I mean, the formative the creator of Mother's Day was right. 273 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 3: They become commodifications, they become cash grabs, you know. But 274 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: but the heart of it, again, it's a cool idea. 275 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: It's it's nice and as cool as Sonora's smart DoD 276 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 3: wasn't is she wasn't the first person to have this idea, right, 277 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: or wasn't the only person. No, again, it's I'm not 278 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: trying to again not trying to be a jerk here poopoo, 279 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: anybody's idea, But this isn't exactly the most creative, you know, 280 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: unique singular idea to ever be thunk. It's just like, hey, 281 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: what if we had a day that celebrated fathers Yeah, 282 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: you call it Father's Day? 283 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: You a slot in anything, you know what I mean? 284 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's really all it's about, like who had 285 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: the gumption to really get it? Together and push for it. 286 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 3: That's really more what the story is rather than who 287 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: came up with the idea, because it's just as a father, 288 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: not particularly creative. So yes, to your point, of course, 289 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 3: there's there are several origin stories to Father's Day. We 290 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: talked about the Fairmont Father's Day celebration. We have three 291 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: years after the Fairmont event, a Chicago activist SJW by 292 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: the name of Jane Adams two d's requested of the 293 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 3: local legislature a city wide celebration or the very least 294 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: strict nition of Father's Day, but she was denied. 295 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: Dang, Chicago shut her down. Let's see, that's early nineteen hundred, 296 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: so she probably couldn't pay off the bribes and oh. 297 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like, well, yeah, I mean it's not is 298 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: it Tammany Hall era. No, that's a little earlier. It's 299 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: Chicago has been a hive of scum and villainy politically 300 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: for a long time. So maybe that she just didn't 301 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: grease the right palms or pay the big Yeah, that's 302 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: a I don't think that's a hot take of fortunately, either. 303 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: We do know other people tried to create their own 304 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: versions of Father's Day. We'll get to I'll tell you 305 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: we'll get to my personal favorite in a little bit. 306 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 3: But we also need to shout out Vancouver, Washington resident 307 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: JJ Behringer, who read something in a local newspaper and said, 308 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: all right, we're going to hold a Father's Day celebration 309 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: at my church, Irving Methodists, and we'll call it the 310 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: first Father's Day event. Not because he was a jerk, 311 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: it's because he did not know other people that had 312 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 3: this idea before. You got to wonder too, the religious 313 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: angle here with like some of these Methodist ministers sort 314 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: of spearheading this. You know, there's of course the Holy Trinity, 315 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: father Son, the Holy ghosts. It is a very patriarchal 316 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 3: kind of canon. Let's say. You gotta wonder if that 317 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: was part of why they were like pushing for this. Yeah, 318 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: Father's Day, it's got a nice ring to it. 319 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: When did it become the Holy Spirit instead of the 320 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: Holy Ghost? 321 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: Good question. I'm sure we could could ask doctor Internet 322 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: that and it would spit it right back out, or 323 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: chat GPT, maybe it would make something up. That's been 324 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: my latest interest in the whole chatbot thing is it's 325 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 3: we talked about it on stuff that I want you 326 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 3: to know that the idea of chatbots hallucinating things out 327 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: of whole cloth. 328 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: I love it. Of making up entire, entirely fraudulent court cases. 329 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 3: Event yeah, exactly, and not not after being asked to 330 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: invent something or tell me a story. Like people are 331 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 3: using these of this tool to legitimately cheat at homework 332 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 3: or like you know, writing legal briefs, and it is 333 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: biting them in the butt because apparently old Chatty as 334 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 3: you call him sometimes, is improvising. 335 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: Let's ask chat GPT to make holidays for us and 336 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: report back on it. 337 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: That'd be fun. 338 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: That'd be fun. Let's see what do Okay, here's the 339 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: favorite one though. Here's a favorite one, and I think 340 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 1: you love this one too. Because people couldn't communicate as 341 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: easily as as our research associate Jeff points out, they 342 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: ran into problems figuring out who was first to the 343 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: postal Father's Day. Yeah right, So in nineteen fifteen, this guy, 344 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: the ironically named Harry C. Meek says, I am the 345 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: inventor of Father's Day. I'm making it up. It should 346 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: be on my birthday. 347 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, neither neither Meek nor mild in the eyes 348 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 3: of the of the father just the hutspa of it 349 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: on my birthday. I mean, surely it wasn't a self 350 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 3: aggrandizing request. He just figured, you know, it's everybody's got 351 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 3: that same birthday, right, like you know. 352 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: It's he pushed the Lions Club to acknowledge that he 353 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: started Father's Day. 354 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, he spent and this was not just like a 355 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: one day, you know, like wild hair that he got 356 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: like he made this like a pursuit. You know, he 357 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: pushed this line for quite a few years. And again 358 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: that's what it takes. People that insist upon themselves, people 359 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: that just won't let things go. Those are the people 360 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 3: that history remembers the most pedantic ones among us. 361 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: Usually, yeah, quite often, you know, the people who raised 362 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: enough of a fuss. And as you said, there was 363 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: this backlash against Father's Day and part of it, this 364 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: is a really interesting thing brought up in Almanac dot com. 365 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: So when you give a shout out to Areally A. C. Scott, 366 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: who wrote this article, she points out, know all that 367 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: the idea of fatherhood fundamentally change. It's not viewed as 368 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: like a feminine model with flowers, but it's a day 369 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: that celebrates this idea of dadness, and a lot of 370 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: my friends to are fathers, yourself included, will say, well, 371 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: my kids are very being, very sweet, and I love them, 372 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: but how many socks do they think I need? 373 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 3: I borderline resent being taken to brunch. That's a woman's meal. 374 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 1: I'm just joking. 375 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: I am very much joking a brunch, A big fan 376 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 3: of brunch. But no, it's funny, right, because the fact 377 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: that that even has to be explained or it's it's 378 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 3: it's inherently absurd, right, It's like, it doesn't have to 379 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 3: be it's not the same and and and it's about 380 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 3: the person. What if your dad likes flowers, right, give 381 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: the man flowers, Give the man. What do you want? 382 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: If your dad wants a spa day, send him to 383 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: a spa. 384 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: I will be the first one to admit I get 385 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 3: pretty regular pedicures and I love a good massage or 386 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 3: a spa day. No, and it's it's very true. But 387 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 3: this idea of this feminine model, you know, this this 388 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 3: precursor you know in mother's day being problematic for like 389 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 3: or somehow challenging the masculinity of you know, fathers is 390 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 3: absurd to me. But you know, we got to think 391 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: about the time, right. 392 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, and I guess there were more of what 393 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: we're often called traditional gender roles, right there were. There 394 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: weren't as many women in the workplace. The modern role 395 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: of the father, you could argue, as does Aureliacy Scott, 396 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: has changed more of a partnership, which I think is 397 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: probably healthier for everybody. Sure, right now we're co parenting, 398 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now it's not just some 399 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: guy working nine to five or whatever coming home and saying, 400 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: where's dinner? Why does this kid have a seat? This 401 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: thing is dirty, I'm getting drunk and going to sleep. 402 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: So I think what we're saying, what this article is saying, 403 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: is that it evolved in a positive direction to to 404 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: to look at mothers and fathers on more of an 405 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: equal playing field. So what I was railing against was 406 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 3: sort of the initial backlash of like, how dare you 407 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 3: celebrate me, you know, in the same way as you 408 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 3: would have were a mere woman. 409 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: And that's that's so valid though, that's part of it 410 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: because we know people. Okay, I'm a little torn about this. 411 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: So the initial people objecting to Father's Day, we're doing 412 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: exactly what we're talking about. They said, this is a 413 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: sentimental attempt to emasculate us almost with flowers and with 414 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: giving of gifts, which is crazy. Gifts are awesome inherently. 415 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: I love free style. 416 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, and it's also thoughtful gifts. Uh, that's 417 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 3: that's the key, right. I'm really I'm against kind of 418 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: like holidays that require some sort of like pat you know, 419 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 3: the expected gifts like flowers, you know, I mean, you know, 420 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 3: flowers are cool. And if you want to get somebody flowers, 421 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 3: get them something based on like a color you know 422 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 3: they love, or like a chick flower you know that 423 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: makes them happy. Don't just grab the nearest bouquet and 424 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 3: shove it in their face. I would typically. I mean, 425 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: I just think gift giving is such an opportunity to 426 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 3: show somebody that you think about them and that you're 427 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 3: aware of aspects of their personality. 428 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I don't think you should have to 429 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: tie it to a holiday. No. I think the coolest 430 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: gifts are you know, in the for no reason at all, 431 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: not because you're in trouble, not because someone decided it 432 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: should be an official day for something. Do something nice 433 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: for people you love. 434 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: I get my kid and my partner and friends' gifts 435 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: all the time, you know, just because and honestly, for 436 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 3: holidays and stuff. I'm typically the guy that's stopping at 437 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: the grocery store on the way home to grab something 438 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 3: because I'm fulfilling that expectation, and I frankly kind of 439 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 3: resent that. 440 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: Then here's the valid, here's the valid part of the 441 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: argument for people who had a backlash against Father's Day 442 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: that I think we both can agree with. They said, 443 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: we know about Mother's Day, it's a grift, and Father's 444 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: Days no different. These holidays are proliferating, and they're all 445 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: just a gimmick to sell more stuff. And hay, we 446 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: the fathers are also paying for the Father's Days as the. 447 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: Sole breadwinners of our families. 448 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, why am I paying for flowers for myself? They said. So. 449 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: I get the anti capitalist part about it, the anti commodification, 450 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think maybe people were a little insecure 451 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: or a little caught in their preconceptions about masculinity. 452 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 3: They were in their feelings. 453 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: They were in their feelings a little bit. 454 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but not in like a touchy feely kind 455 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 3: of way. 456 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: No, No, in a very emotionally damaged way. 457 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: And I didn't kind of think I caught this in 458 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: the Mother's Day episode, but this idea maybe maybe it 459 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 3: came up briefly specifically for Mother's Day, But in the 460 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: nineteen twenties and thirties there was actually a movement to 461 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 3: get rid of both of these holidays entirely in favor 462 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 3: of combining them into a into one Parents' Day. How 463 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: that god that take off? I only I've heard of 464 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 3: Parents Day. 465 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: It's around in other countries. Maybe, yeah, you know, parents 466 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: are generally a good thing, so you're right, though it 467 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: did not encounter near the success of Father's Day, let 468 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: alone Mother's Day. It's strange to me that for a 469 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: while during that time period, during the twenties and thirties, 470 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: every year the Mother's Day occurred, these groups would protest it. 471 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: They would be pro Parents' Day groups, and they would 472 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: go to Central Park because they liked having problems. 473 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: I guess seems so. I mean, the idea of there 474 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 3: being a Parents Day activist the sky Robert Spear who 475 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 3: said that both parents should be loved and respected together 476 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 3: like at the same time. I don't know about it, 477 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: you know, it's I guess that's sort of like a 478 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: killing two birds with one stone situation, you know, one 479 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 3: holiday to rule them all. 480 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 2: But it feels like this guy just want to be 481 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 2: mad about something. 482 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: It's a little bit. 483 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: Of what about is? I completely agree, and as we know, 484 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: that did not take off, you know, because what about 485 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: you know, parents who are divorced. Yeah, maybe it's a 486 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 3: good thing that you can honor them separately. 487 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: You know. 488 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 3: I think maybe if there is a debate or a 489 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: question around it, is it is the gendered aspect of it, 490 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Maybe? 491 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: But how who cares? Here's what happened the Great Depression. 492 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons Father's Day is still a 493 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: big thing because think about it, you're a business, you're 494 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: an ad company, and you have to somehow get out 495 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: of the red and into the black ink. So they 496 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: doubled down to try to make Father's Day what they 497 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: thought of as a second Christmas for dudes. 498 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, all these cliche ideas of gifts 499 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: are supposed to get your dad, those hold true for 500 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 3: any gift giving opportunity in these days. Pipes, you know, 501 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: like slippers, tie ties, then nobody really even wants and 502 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: that if you're gonna get it, you're gonna get one 503 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: for yourself, because these are like things that require you 504 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 3: to have a little bit of awareness of, like your 505 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: own personal style. The joke around these gifts is often 506 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 3: people are giving you these things and you will never 507 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 3: wear them. 508 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: Right right, Like, thank you for this artruse and green 509 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: polka dotted ascot. I'll treasure it forever. 510 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 2: That sounds really nice, just being frank right here. I 511 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 2: really like if you guys got that for me, I 512 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: would appreciate it. 513 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: Oh god, now we have to remember what I described. Okay, 514 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: shartruse and green polka dot. 515 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 2: I mean, Ben, It's not like we have a like, 516 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: you know, recorded version of you saying it or anything. 517 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, never mind, why are we even bothering 518 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: with long term memory? So? 519 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, who needs it? 520 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? Who needs it? 521 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 3: Soon we'll have implants that'll do it all for us. 522 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: Or we can just ask chat GPTMH. 523 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: Pair it with a nice voice mimicking software and you 524 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: know we're relevant at that point. Oh, come on, maybe 525 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 3: not irrelevant. We still have to like talk at the 526 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 3: bot to train it to sound more like us. 527 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, I mean you know you're talking about 528 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: aims transforming over time. And that's what I happened over 529 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: Father's Day. 530 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 3: No attention to the man behind the grid. 531 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: What do you think before we get to the end 532 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: of Father's Day, I think we'll still be around. 533 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 3: I doing some gallows humor here. 534 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: I do think we'll be right. 535 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: I mean me personally as a consumer of podcasts, and 536 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 3: it's of culture. Like if I found out that someone 537 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 3: had replaced my you know, Folger's crystals with Taster's choice 538 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 3: and didn't tell me, I'd be pretty pissed. 539 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would also be really suspect I'd be 540 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: I'd also be sad if I was listening to a 541 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: show that I was a fan of and I learned 542 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: that with like the darkest version of that is, a 543 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: legendary host passes away and then AI is used to 544 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: just keep making episodes of them after day. 545 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: People are kind of losing their their stuff. Over the 546 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 3: headline saying that Paul McCartney is it was a gate 547 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 3: fight through his support by AI technology being used to 548 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: create a quote unquote final Beatle song. But if you 549 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 3: read below the headline, you realize they actually just used 550 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: AI as a restoration tool to lift out a vocal 551 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: that John Lennon made as a demo while playing the 552 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: piano and singing on like a pretty low fire recording 553 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: set up. So they cleaned it up, separated it from 554 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 3: the piano, and allowed it to be used in a 555 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: multi track recording capacity. Is the song going to be 556 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 3: any good? I don't know, irrelevant, but they didn't like 557 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 3: do a Tupac hologram version John Lyon's voice, And I 558 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: frankly think most people who are actual fans of art 559 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: and culture. 560 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: Won't stand for that. You know, I would like to 561 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: think that. 562 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: I would like to I would like to think that 563 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: as well. And you know I mean full disclosure, folks. Yes, 564 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: this episode is entirely created and hosted by chat ChiPT YEP. 565 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: Where are we gonna go with that? Oh well, segue? 566 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: Did a segue? Okay? So things changing Father's Day got tainted? 567 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: People would say, you know it, it became a money grab. 568 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: I think you set it up perfectly, this idea of 569 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 3: it being a second Christmas, you know, to buy a 570 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 3: lot of these, like frankly, you know, sharper image type objects, 571 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 3: you know, for dads that they probably don't even want, 572 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: and it's just obligatory kind of gift giving and that 573 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 3: suits the companies more than it does the dads, frankly, 574 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: and then once that becomes really, really clear, it does 575 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: start to have a bit of a taint to it, 576 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 3: doesn't the. 577 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just just send your dad a text 578 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: and say something that you think is cool about them 579 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: and make sure it's sincere. Don't You don't have to 580 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: wait for a specific day to do that, you know. 581 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: And of course, like all of these holidays, like we 582 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: learned with Mother's Day, Father's Day is not just celebrating 583 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: the UI, and it's not just celebrated at the same time. 584 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: People all around the world celebrate something like Father's Day 585 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: at different periods in the year. 586 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: Have you heard of this practice of wearing a red 587 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: rose if your father's alive and a white one if 588 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 3: he's dead. 589 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: I have not. That seems frankly invasive, it does. 590 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 3: I mean, cool, let's have a conversation about our dead dads, 591 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: as that was I supposed to ask me about my 592 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 3: dead dad. 593 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: That's what that would say. Yeah, yeah, I don't think 594 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: they thought that one threw. 595 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 3: All the way. Yeah, I was just not aware of 596 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 3: this as a custom. But what about you know, maybe 597 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 3: non traditional male role models or or you know, frankly 598 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 3: father figures, you know, like you know, my dear, dear 599 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 3: friend Harry, He's actually coming to visit over Father's Day weekend. 600 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: It occurred to me like he's the closest thing I 601 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: have to a father, and I'm gonna he's going to 602 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 3: the same brunch that I'm going to. And it was 603 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: just kind of a happenstance that occurred that way. But 604 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 3: I'm kind of glad that it did, because I do 605 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 3: think of him in that same way. 606 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: Are you going to get him a card? 607 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: Hell? 608 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: No, Are you going to get him a tie? 609 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 3: No, he doesn't wear a tie. I'll ge him a hairtie. 610 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: What's the sock situation? 611 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 3: Unclear? But I am going to take him to brunch 612 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: and then host him my house and cook him a 613 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: barbecue and spend some good time with him because he's 614 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: a true friend and someone that I've always looked up 615 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 3: to in that way, you know, without an actual living father. 616 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: So that's that's an interesting role too, is like what 617 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: about the the uncles, the grandfathers, the families of the world. 618 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, they also get honored on that day 619 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: sometimes because you know, you as you go through life, 620 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: you do run into people who fulfill some of those roles. 621 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: Right. 622 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: You may not be able to speak with your biological mother, 623 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: you may not be on the best terms with her, 624 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: but you might have a mother figure in your life. 625 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: And the same goes with parents, with siblings, with all 626 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: all the loved ones you can imagine. Uh, so they 627 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: should be celebrated as well. And I think that's I 628 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,719 Speaker 1: think that's kind of cool. I think that's inclusive. I 629 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: do think it's interesting that there's a Father's Day thing 630 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: tied to Roman Catholicism. 631 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, celebrated in countries like Spain and Portugal, observed on 632 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 3: the feast of Saint Joseph. Is the Saint Joseph the 633 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: patron saint of fathers, manly men. 634 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: We cut some off air time where we decided to 635 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: look up the Saint Saint Joseph. Why why is that 636 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: Father's Day? Saint Joseph the worker is patron saint of 637 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: a couple of different things. They always are, right, Let's 638 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: see the patron saint of fathers. Nailed it, got it? 639 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: Uh? 640 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: He is also vibes, you said, the worker. You know, 641 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: he is also a work patron saint of workers. Anybody 642 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: who's married, anybody who's been exiled. 643 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, what's that? 644 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: Last? Yeah, all right, last one was a was a 645 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: shamalan for us, uh, the sick and the dying, and 646 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: patrons say of a holy death? 647 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 3: Wait, what's holy death? 648 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: You know? What? 649 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 3: Is that a spell? And like elden ring, that really 650 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 3: does sound like is that. 651 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 2: Like dying with honor? 652 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: If you're a cleon, I'm you know, you guys are 653 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: onto some great things here. We'll have to learn more 654 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,399 Speaker 1: about it. I am not Catholic, I'm not Christian, nor 655 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say about it. 656 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 3: I do know what to say about the Taiwanese celebration 657 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 3: of Father's Day. Much like our pal who wanted it 658 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 3: to be on his birthday, this celebration is in fact 659 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 3: on my actual birthday, August the eighth, fifth day of 660 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 3: the eighth month, which is a fun, you know, little 661 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 3: little thing with my birthday. It's eight eight eighty three, 662 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: fun to stay out loud. But yeah, immediately saw this 663 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 3: and thought of that guy that like wanted to have 664 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 3: Father's Day beyond his birthday. I'm like, we are not 665 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 3: the same. It's not my idea, but like the cut 666 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 3: of whom's ever jib in Taiwan decided to hold it 667 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 3: on that day. Well, actually sounds like it was because 668 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 3: the Mandarin Chinese word for eight sounds like the word papa. Well, 669 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 3: do you know, you know, I know, you know a 670 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 3: bit of Mandarin? 671 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know a little bit. It's bob, 672 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: Thanks Jat, you're the best. Bah And so the eighth day, 673 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: eighth month, bah Ba got it? You said twice it 674 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: becomes papa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh, look here we 675 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: have to do it, noel, Uh, it's our first time 676 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: in uh in the new studio. The man, the myth, 677 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: the legend himself, our resident rock star, Matt Frederick wearing 678 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: he's wearing his sunglasses. Inside he's got a fresh haircut. Hey, 679 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: Matt fresh, Matt, you got something to say to the people? 680 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 3: Can even hear us? 681 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 2: Hi overbody? 682 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 3: He's so cool, He's so cool. Listen to that. Yeah, 683 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 3: the swagger, the swagger in that voice. 684 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: We have to figure out a way to get Matt back. 685 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 3: Well, obviously he's here. It's easier to accomplish. We can 686 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 3: just you know, invite him in. But yeah, do you 687 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 3: want to come into come in for the second episode, 688 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 3: we're about to do another one. He's like, I got 689 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 3: a battle, he's gonna surf. He's got a skate. I 690 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 3: think he's gonna surf. 691 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 1: On a phone. Okay, that guy is too cool for school. Really, 692 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: And like Taiwan, Thailand has their own Father's Day and 693 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: Thailand is tied to the birthday of a former king 694 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: whose name I'm going to attempt and mess up. It's cool, Okay, 695 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: let's both try it. So boom Yeah. 696 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 3: Doesn't boo ball sound like a Mario character, like, you know, 697 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 3: like the giant bomb guy with the crown I forget 698 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 3: his or it. 699 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: Feels like the big sport in like a children's sci 700 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: fi show We got to play? 701 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, dude. I discovered a new sports when I 702 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 3: was in Philly. There were these like weird curved tables 703 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 3: with a it's it's like a ping pong table, but 704 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 3: they're curved and apparently you kick a ball on it 705 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 3: and bounce it. It's like ping pong or pickleball, but you 706 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 3: play it with your feet and apparently it is from 707 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 3: from Spain or that's cool. Yeah, And I've never seen 708 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 3: these tables anywhere. They look kind of like miniature skate rams. 709 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 3: So anybody out there that knows what the hell this 710 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 3: thing is, let let us know. 711 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: And anyone who can help us with pronunciation of names 712 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: the tyroyal family, let us know. Because I have to 713 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: learn that stuff. I have to go. I don't think 714 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: I told you I'm going to I have to. I 715 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: have to go to Thailand to go to Titober. 716 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 717 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: That sucks. 718 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 3: That's rough, that's awesome, that's really exciting. Godspeed, and yeah, 719 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 3: just you know, surely there's a chat GPT out there 720 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 3: that I could just uh. 721 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: I could have like a little thing around my neck. 722 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: It's just chat GPT instead of like a slate with 723 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: some chalk, you know, right, But that day entirely, the 724 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: December fifth day is always Father's Day, and I like. 725 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 3: That December fifth. Leave it at Dad. 726 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be that third or fourth thing, 727 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: you know. That's that's too complicated. 728 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 3: Same with the Taiwanese deal. Eight eight boom remembered it 729 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 3: easy is also my birthday. Eighty eight also is good luck. 730 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 3: Hey cool, no wonder I've been coasting through life. I 731 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 3: think these many years. Four is bad, okay, Well, I 732 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 3: said it's visible by four I. 733 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: Know, but it's double Oh, it's double four, so it's good. 734 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: You know, we might have to come back to this south, 735 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: We might have to workshop. 736 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 3: We might want to leave this one alone. We don't 737 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 3: want to uncover any Pandora's Box type situ. 738 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we do want to wish everybody a happy 739 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: belated Father's Day, A happy Father's Day to you know, 740 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: a happy Father's Day to your entire family. Max, Max, 741 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: your cat dad. I think you've described yourself as. 742 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 2: I am a cat dad. And also sometimes I feel 743 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 2: like I'm all's parent, y'all, Like I'm more of a 744 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: parent's day than a father's day to y'all. But I 745 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: get that feeling a lot of times, especially when it's like, 746 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 2: you know, trying to find Noel and get him to 747 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 2: the right studio is somebod. 748 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 3: You're always smacking me in the back of the head 749 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 3: and calling me a giant disappointment. 750 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 2: Yes, unless HR is listening to this episode and. 751 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 3: Listed our show. 752 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: Also, I'm older than you, bro. 753 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 2: You both are older than me, but I'm still your father, 754 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: all right, sure you know what? 755 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: Big thanks to super producer Max Williams, Yeah aka Dad, 756 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,720 Speaker 1: big big thanks to uh big thanks to Alex Williams, 757 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: who composed the track Big. Thanks to pal Matt who 758 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: just uh just has such infectious energy. 759 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 3: He does, he does. He is a walking plague of 760 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 3: a human in the positive sense, positive play, positivity play. 761 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 3: Thanks to uh Chris frosciotis here in spirit, he's Jeff Coates, 762 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 3: Jonathan Strickland. I bet you we can get him here 763 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 3: in person too. Yeah, you can press to digitate him 764 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 3: from one of these nice you know, and deployment of 765 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 3: that word into one of these mic positions. Yeah. 766 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: Also, I owe him an email, so that'll be a 767 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:01,479 Speaker 1: good time. 768 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 3: Don't sleep on that, man. 769 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,439 Speaker 1: I gotta stop. I gotta wake up. I can't keep 770 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: sleeping on responding to those emails, and we can't keep 771 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: sleeping on this new studio. No, this has been such 772 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: a fun time. I feel like we portrayed ourselves a 773 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: little because we're both all three of us. Max To 774 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,919 Speaker 1: came in saying, all right, this is gonna be short. 775 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,439 Speaker 1: When you know what I mean. We got and we got, 776 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: we condensed our research. We're gonna make it a punchy 777 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: thing about Father's Day. 778 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 3: And still punchy. Uh not in the like lack of 779 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 3: sleepway but like in the listen to, these punchy characters 780 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 3: have a good time talking about stuff, and so we 781 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 3: liked that and I'm excited. It sort of feels like 782 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 3: we're opening a new chapter of the show, being here 783 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 3: in person with each other, hand out with you. We'll 784 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 3: see you next time. Books. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 785 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 3: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 786 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 3: to your favorite shows.