1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: Hunt's let's go get my Giants, give me some job. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants podcast network. Let's roll. Welcome to 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: this bye week condition of the Giants Total Podcast, brought 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: York Football Giants. I am John Schmult joined by Paul Detina. 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: We just walked out of Joe Shanes at the bye 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: state of the team type of press conference thing on 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon, and Paul me and Matthew Sittak kind of 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: warned people about this. They will kick off on Tuesday 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: afternoon in a solo press conference with the head coach there. 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: You are not going to get any big time proclamations 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: at this press conference about changes and lineups are moved, 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: because that's a coach's decision. 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 3: Correct. 16 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: So we didn't get that as we kind of expected. 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: But we did get a lot from Joe Shane here 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: about how he's thinking about the team and how he's 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: thinking about where this team building process is at now 20 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: two and a half seasons into him being the team's 21 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: general manager. 22 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: Yes, specifically John, he said, like what coach Dables said 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: the other day, this is a whole week of evaluations 24 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: trying to figure out how the Giants can turn the tide, 25 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: understanding that nobody is happy with the two and eight record. 26 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: I mean he made that what clear about five or 27 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: six times, at least a half a dozen yes, you know, 28 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: and at the same time also pointing out at least 29 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: two or three times that the team is one in 30 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: five in close games, which really disturbs him because they 31 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: haven't been very good in the red zone. He understands 32 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: that knows that in a lot of other offensive and 33 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: defensive categories. He flat out said, we're like middle of 34 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: the pack. 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: In nineteenth and twenty third of the two numbers he game, 36 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: depending on what metric you want to look at. 37 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: But in those spots it just hasn't gotten done. He's like, 38 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: we got to find a way to finish games, and 39 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: that's what they really concentrated on. 40 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's I think what kind of got him 41 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: is that, you know, the team is competitive in these games, 42 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: playing in a bunch of one score games, but they're 43 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: not figuring out a way to finish them. And that's 44 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: what he said. They'll talk a lot about this week, 45 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to finish some of these games. 46 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Focus on the red zone is one thing he talked 47 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: about Paul, but he said it's been different things in 48 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: different games that have sunk this team, which is what 49 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: we've talked about on our programming here some weeks. It's 50 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: special teams errors. They allowed a punk return for a 51 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: touchdown against the Steelers. I don't need to chronicle all 52 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: the missed field goals, the injuries at the drop passes. 53 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: The drop passes is another one. The fumble and overtime 54 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: against the Panthers, the interceptions in the red zone time 55 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: against the Panthers. The Giants have not won the turnover 56 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: battle over the course of this year. The penalties, the 57 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: defense not being able to get off the field, the 58 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: commander's running out the clock against the defense in the 59 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: game just two weeks ago. Go down the list. There's 60 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: been different things each week that have prevented them from 61 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: closing games, which for Joe Shane has been very frustrated. 62 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: Well, and I think that's why he made a very 63 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: strong point to say that this is a very young team, 64 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: and you know that there's gonna be some painful moments 65 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: as you're trying to move the young team along through 66 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: the process and to get them to grow, which is 67 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: why he also emphasized that it's important to win games 68 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: during this next seven games stretch because he wants those 69 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: guys to experience winning ways so that they can build 70 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: off of it. 71 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: Hey, he talked about trying to change the culture. Is 72 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: that you need a culture of winning, so you're not 73 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: when you get into a close game, you're thinking we're 74 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: going to win this game. You're not thinking, here we 75 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: go again. And that's what it was. We've talked about this, 76 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: the dichotomy of what twenty twenty two looked versus twenty 77 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: twenty four. When they were a close game in twenty 78 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: twenty two, they're all right, well, how are we gonna 79 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: win this game? We're gonna figure out a way to win, 80 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: and let's go win this game. In twenty twenty four, 81 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: it's oh, man, here we go again. What way are 82 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: we gonna screw it up this time? And you need 83 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: to try to figure out a way to flip that 84 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: switch back to what you had in twenty twenty two. 85 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the only way to do that is to 86 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: finish some of these close games off with clutch execution. 87 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: And how they're going to find that they don't even 88 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: know right now, As he said, the entire staff, everybody 89 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: is on this trying to evaluate what it is they 90 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: can do to make that thing happen. 91 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: And he said, the focus right now is on the 92 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: next seven games this year, while they're obviously planning ahead 93 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five, that's not going to be the 94 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: priority with whatever decisions they make. Those were his words. 95 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: And he also said, and I'm sure fans aren't going 96 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: to like this. He does not think this team is 97 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: as far away as their record might indicate. He thinks 98 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: they're better than the record, and they frankly, they've probably 99 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: played overall better than the record. Moving the football. You 100 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: talk about the rankings that he mentioned in offensive defense, 101 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: and I'll go through our full self scout guys. Next 102 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday, we have big kickoffs. There's no game 103 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: to react to, So I'm gonna try to do a 104 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: little like mid season team analysis here and kind of 105 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: go through some stuff on both sides, and we'll go 106 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: through all the numbers, all the evan statistics of where 107 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: this team is. That's why he thinks a few different editions, 108 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: few different tweaks that you can turn this thing around 109 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: relatively quickly with just a few moves here or there, 110 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: that he does not think they're far away. And I 111 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: know fans coming off the bed your last year when 112 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: they're six and eleven, only two and eight at the 113 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: bye week this week, I understand why you guys think 114 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: that's crazy and you don't want to hear it. But 115 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: week to week, game to game, they have been In 116 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: all these games, they've been close games, except again for 117 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: the Eagles game in the Vikings game, where a couple 118 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: plays here or there. A lot of these games could 119 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: have been a lot of different. 120 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: I think the two points to kind of build off 121 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: of that particular item, John, is that he did say 122 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: maybe the playoff season of twenty twenty two may have 123 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: masked some of the issues with the team, and that 124 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: perhaps that was part of some of the mistakes that 125 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: he may have made that he wished he had back, 126 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: because it's also part of the growing process of being 127 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: a general manager. You have to make decisions. Not everybody's 128 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: going to like all your decisions. Not everyone's not going 129 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: to like all the decisions, but you have to go 130 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: through them. And I think he pointed to this number, John, 131 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: there were two numbers he gave us today, which indicates 132 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: how strongly he feels about the immediate future of this team. 133 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: He said, nineteen starters of the twenty two are under 134 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: contract for next year, and then he said forty one 135 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: of the fifty three are going to be are under 136 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: contract going it to next year, and he said, so 137 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: that's going to give this team some level of consistency. 138 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: He stressed that as a very important factor. 139 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: Moving forward back to that twenty two conversation and in 140 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: a second, but first, I do want to touch on 141 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: the quarterback situation because there were a ton of questions 142 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: about that. I know that's the lead and if they 143 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: would have announced anything big, that would have been the 144 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: first thing we talked right on the show, obviously, But 145 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: Joe Shane, this was the line he used, whatever move 146 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: they make a quarterback will be a football decision. He 147 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: was pressed on that and Pat Leonard asked him a 148 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: couple of questions late and he basically said, yeah, it's 149 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: a football decision. Trying to win football games, and that's 150 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: going to be what guid's a decision. Now, what incorporates 151 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: into a football decision, That's something that was not necessarily 152 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: specifically communicated. So take that however, you like, they tried 153 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: to push him on that and he really didn't get 154 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: into more details on that. So whatever the decision they 155 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: make will be football related, and obviously there's a lot 156 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: of things that are football related in terms of building 157 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: a team. So we'll see whatever decision they make. I 158 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: assume we're gonna know on Monday or Wednesday, so I 159 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: know fans are very anxious to find out what they're 160 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: gonna do with the quarterback positions and is Brian Dable 161 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: left that open to interpretation at his press conference on Monday. 162 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: We'll have to wait and see U till next week 163 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: on what decision they make. 164 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: I'm glad you just mentioned Brian Dabele too, because it's 165 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 2: important to understand that. He also gave Brian Dabele a 166 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: very strong vote of confidence, saying that the one thing 167 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: you can see right now about this team is that 168 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: they are playing together and the locker room is together, 169 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: and he is very pleased with the way that Brian 170 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: Dabele has handled these players, even though the record is 171 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: not what anybody wants. 172 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens, 173 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 4: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 174 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 175 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 4: you ready for all that life brings. 176 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: She also said he doesn't have any regrets on what 177 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: they did with the quarterback situation in the offseason. He 178 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: was asked specifically about that. If you watched Hard Knocks, 179 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: they did try to bring Tyrod Taylor back. They just 180 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: the Jets went over the top on him. On Tyrod Taylor, Well, 181 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: he said, that's the part of free agency you can't control, 182 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: and there are some things you can't control. Russell Wilson 183 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: was asked about specifically, and again, there are some things 184 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: where the player's priorities have to match what you're doing. 185 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: It about fit, and clearly I think Russell Wilson knew 186 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: that in Pittsburgh there was a better chance to start sooner, 187 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: So all things being equal, that's where he was going 188 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 1: to choose, which is something that's out of the Giant's control. 189 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: So we didn't got what he wanted. 190 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: Johnny, he didn't playing well, and again he didn't say 191 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: that directly. That's John Schmelke's interpretation. If you want to 192 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: Joe Shane, I'm sorry if I interpreting you incorrectly, but 193 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: That's how I interpreted that comment, where it's out of 194 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: your control. What the player wants has to match up 195 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: what the player wants. So a couple other things I 196 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: want to touch on, Paul, going back to your comment 197 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: about twenty twenty two, Joshane was very clear. He said, look, 198 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: when you're two and eight, everyone has a hand in 199 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: this from because he was asked specifically about all these 200 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: individual people. It's the only reason why I'm bringing them 201 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: up individually from myself, and he said, it starts with 202 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: me at the top, to the coach, to the quarterback, 203 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: to all the players, the assistant coaches, everyone, everyone has 204 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: a hand in this in being two and eight. And 205 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: he said, look, I have not been perfect. I have 206 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: not bad at a thousand in the draft. I wish 207 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: I could, I haven't. And to your point, Art Stableton, 208 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: I I thought asked one of the better questions of 209 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: the press conference about twenty twenty two, and this one 210 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: thing we've talked about in our shows too. You know, 211 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two was a very unexpected year. We all 212 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: expected that to be a tear down year and a 213 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: reset year, not a make the playoffs and win a 214 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: playoff game year, and Art Stableton asked, if you know 215 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: this last year and this year has looked at differently 216 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: because the team made the playoffs in twenty twenty two, 217 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: and did that alter how some decisions that you made? 218 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: And Joe say said, look, yeah, I mean once you 219 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: re signed the quarterback, maybe you try to I think 220 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: the word he uses accelerate things. Yes, and there are 221 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: some decisions that he regrets coming off of that year, 222 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: and we talked about and he would not He was 223 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: asked what decisions, Joe, and he would not give that answer, 224 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: not surprisingly, but we talked about coming off that year, 225 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: how if you look at the overall metrics that year, Paul, 226 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: they probably weren't as good as what the record would 227 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: indicate in terms of you know, point differential and things 228 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: like that, and just overall you know, roster quality and side. 229 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: He got a lot of good bounces and a lot 230 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 3: of takeaways. 231 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: Yes, in a ton of close games. There were plus 232 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: three that year in total ratio, but their close game 233 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: record was off the charge, and that's something that we 234 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: all talked about was not necessarily sustainable. Right. But at 235 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: the same time, you win a playoff game, you have 236 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: a young quarterback who's going to become a free agent. 237 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: You have a star running back that's going to be 238 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: a free agent, and it's very difficult to break up 239 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: a team and its core when you just want a 240 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: playoff game. It's a very difficult thing to do. 241 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: First playoff win in a few years. 242 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: When you see the not just a few years, that 243 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: goes back to twenty eleven. I know, it's a long time, 244 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: over ten years, over a decade, and it's look, could 245 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: he have come out and said, look, eh, you know what, 246 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: we think this team wasn't any good. We won the 247 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: playoff game. You think the fans that are season thinking 248 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: alwayn't want to hear that. You think, frankly ownership wants 249 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: to hear that. Don't think the players who I don't 250 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: think how do you think the players would feel? You 251 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: got these guys that just that's a great point, Paul, 252 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: these guys that just want a playoff game, and you're 253 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: ripping apart what was the heart and soul of that 254 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: team and off season it's a very difficult thing to do. 255 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: And he did say you have to keep the locker 256 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: room in mind when you make decisions. 257 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: And he said, look that that that record might have 258 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: masked and you said this before mass some deficiency and 259 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: things that maybe he didn't see as clearly as he 260 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: should have. And there are some decisions coming off of 261 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: that that if he could do differently, he would do 262 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: differently now. So and we talked about that right in 263 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: the comparison I always made if you go back, well season, 264 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: I think it was the twenty twenty next season and 265 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: it was one where Julius Randall came out. I think 266 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: it was the COVID season, actually, right, COVID season that 267 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: would have been the twenty twenty one season. 268 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 3: Wasn't that when they finished with the fourth seed in 269 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: the East. 270 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: That was the twenty one twenty two season, And there 271 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: was the COVID year, So there was no fans in 272 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: the crowd in the first three quarters of that season, 273 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: and Knicks played great, right, And next season they go 274 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: they d Evan forty a kemba walker. Right, was that 275 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: next year he spent money, he add all these pieces, 276 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: and you think you're gonna take the next step, and 277 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: you just take a big step back because for whatever, 278 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: everything that worked the year before, and it happens from 279 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: year to year, Sure it doesn't work the following year. Now, 280 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: the Nicks and the Bill to bounce back from that, 281 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: and they're a good team again. 282 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: Right. 283 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: The giants that think are in the process of now 284 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: trying to bounce back from that. It hasn't happened as 285 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: quickly for them. They haven't found there. Jalen Brunson, you 286 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: did so, and I think it's this interesting, And Joe said, 287 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: he's actually thought a lot about that, and he said, look, 288 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: no one is harder on themselves for their decisions than 289 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: I am. He loses sleep over it. He thinks of 290 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: them at night and he and he said, look, some 291 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: of those decisions that I wish I could have made better. 292 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: And he's not batting a thousand and draft either. He 293 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: mentioned specifically the premium draft picks. So the guy like 294 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: Evan Neil at seven, which you know they're trying to 295 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: rehabilitate him, but they're not there yet, and you got 296 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: to hit those those premium picks. And he gets all that. 297 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: So I joanted to be clear that fans that maybe 298 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: you're gonna hear excerpts of this and not listen to 299 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: the press conference with like, oh well, no, Shae says, 300 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: everything's great, everything's fine. He didn't do anything wrong that 301 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: that was not the case. He definitely stood in front 302 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: of the group and said, look, this is on me. 303 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: Some of the stuff is my fault, and there are 304 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: some things I definitely want to do better. 305 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: I thought he was very honest and very frank in 306 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 2: his evaluation of everything that has gone on within the building. 307 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: And I do think it is important right right here, 308 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: while you're talking about what's happened in the last two 309 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: or three years, you have to mention the fact that 310 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 2: he had premium picks used for ever Neil and on 311 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: Tay Banks, who have both caught their shares of criticism 312 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: for various reasons. 313 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: But he said he still does believe in Taybanks though, 314 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: and that's. 315 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: The important thing. 316 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: He said, you know, there was the one effort issue 317 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: against Philly, which is the only thing that he really 318 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: kind of marked off on Banks. 319 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: And he referenced the minor one against Dallas, which I 320 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: didn't think was that big of Adell, right, but. 321 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: Yes, and said that you know, if you look at Banks, 322 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: he's got the ability to shadow top receivers in this league, and. 323 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: He's got confidence, he's got work ethic, he's got belief. 324 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: He's very high on Tay Banks his future. 325 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: It has just got to be consistent. And he did 326 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: mention the change in scheme. This guy, I thought was 327 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: interesting for. 328 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: Me, also knew that that Banks was a press covered 329 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: corner and the change in scheme was going to create 330 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: an adjustment for him. But then talking about Evan Neil, now, folks, 331 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: you remember how high a pick he was and he 332 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: was going to be a franchise bookend tackle opposite Andrew Thomas. 333 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 3: John. 334 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: I really felt good for Joe Shane up there today 335 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: because he was able to actually sit there and say, 336 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: Evan Neil played well last week, and I'm happy for him. 337 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: And he's worked hard, especially in the he'said better in 338 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: the run game than past part better in the run game, 339 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: and he's practiced very hard. He's practiced well, he had energy, 340 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: he's had a good attitude. He finally got a chance 341 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: and he put up and he said, now we got 342 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: to see where we go from here. And I think, 343 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: you know, that was a matter of pride, I think 344 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: for Joe as well as for Evan to see Evan 345 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: put something good on tape again after being out since 346 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: January because of the surgery on his ankle. 347 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: John's a podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the 348 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: official bank of the Giants from game day celebrations, the year, 349 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: every day financial needs, big Blue fans and get the 350 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: most out of every moment with Citizens. Learn more at 351 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: citizens bank dot com slash Giants. He's also asked about 352 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was as specifically about if 353 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: there were regrets, but he was asked about letting two 354 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: players or a couple players go this past offseason that 355 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: have had success here and Xavier McAdie and Saquon Barkley. 356 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: He did not address really their success elsewhere, but he 357 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: did say he not those two players, but he did 358 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: say he likes the guys that they brought in to 359 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: replace them, without mentioning those players by name. He mentioned 360 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: Tyrone Tracy and Tyler Nuban by name as two players 361 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: he get young that he thinks have done a nice 362 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: job stepping in for those two guys even though they're 363 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: having success elsewhere. 364 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: Also mentioned very happy with Neighbors as one of the 365 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: young players that you can move forward with. But remember 366 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: something now. The Giants reallocated their funds to the offensive line, 367 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: and he did spend quite a few minutes John today 368 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: speaking about the rebuild offensive line. They had to devote 369 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: resources to that. He mentioned Illuminar is a very important 370 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: part because he was a flex guy who could fit 371 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: in at different spots. 372 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, to your point he talked about he was asked, 373 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: he was pressed on whether or not he regrets going 374 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: into the season with Joshu's was the left tackle, and 375 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: he goes, oh, guys, that wasn't necessarily the plan, which 376 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: is something we've said here. Remember Evan Neil was on 377 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: his way back, right, who's starting to practice in the spring. 378 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: Then something happened. It's never been clear what happened, but 379 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: he stopped practicing and we did't see him again for 380 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: a few months. He didn't get ready to go with 381 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: again until the end of training camp. So and Joe indicated, 382 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: which is I think we've tried to explain to you 383 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: guys here is the plan was that if there was 384 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: an injury at left tackle with Andrew Thomas, Illumino is 385 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: a left tackle and Kneel's your right tackle, or if 386 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: Neil's really good, Kneel's your right tackle and Illumino's just 387 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: your swing guy, or he's playing guard, you move him outside. However, 388 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: they wanted to handle that and no one asked about 389 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: the Greg Van Roten thing. But he's played really well 390 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: the last few weeks, so I think it's worked out 391 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: bringing him in. But that wasn't necessarily the plan to 392 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: have a Zudu as the backup left tackle. It was 393 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: that Evan Neil injury and whatever happened to make his 394 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: absence longer than I think anyone expected it to be. 395 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: That kind of made that left tackle plan fizzle out 396 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. It did. 397 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: And I also think it's important to note that Joe 398 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: Shane also mentioned Carmen Brisillo and the good job that 399 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: he has done with this offense of line. Let's face it, guys, 400 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 2: the Giants offensive line has been such a bugaboo now 401 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 2: for how many years? And Brisillo's come in here and 402 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 2: it's not easy to melt three new starters into an 403 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 2: offensive line in a matter of a couple of months, 404 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: and he has certainly done a solid job of getting 405 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: these guys to play at a proficient level. 406 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 4: You loved turf, You're good at it, so you start 407 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 4: a turf Fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the 408 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 4: most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all 409 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 4: that life brings? 410 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: All right, last two items here before we say goodbye. 411 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: He did said he was asked about the trade deadline 412 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: this year and the fact there was no movement. He said, look, 413 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: our trade deadline philosophy has not changed, which the me 414 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: means he just they does not get the value in 415 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: the offer that they would expect. He's like, we take 416 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: calls on everybody. If you call by a guy, we'll 417 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: talk to you. But obviously they did not get the 418 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: type of offer they wanted to move some of the 419 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: guys that were on expiring deals. 420 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 2: Which tells you that they weren't looking to shop anyone. 421 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: It was like if the phone rings and somebody bowls 422 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: us over, will the price will listen to it. But 423 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 2: he wasn't looking to move anybody, you know, with with 424 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: the as the impetus of trying to make a deal. 425 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: All right. And then finally he said, look, despite the record, 426 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: I see progress, and I've made progress in a lot 427 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: of different areas despite what the record looks like, which 428 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: is why I think he still believes in what's going 429 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: on here. He was asked, specifically, based on his conversations 430 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: with the ownership, if he expects to be back, and 431 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: he simply said, yes, I expect. 432 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: To be back yeap. 433 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: So for fans that think there's going to be some 434 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: swooping front office change in the off season, we've been 435 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: trying to tell you that we didn't see that happening either. 436 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: But John Mara said he does not anticipate it earlier 437 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: in the year in the off season making any moves, 438 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: and Joe Shane said he expects to be back. Obviously, 439 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: there's seven games to go, a lot, you know, things 440 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: can change, and to quote, you're great, Bill Parcells quote, 441 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: I reserved the right to change my mind that that 442 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: is one of them. That's the way it works. But 443 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: he does say he expects to be back, and frankly, 444 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: I think both of us have expected that for some time. 445 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: Yes, saying that he trusts the staff and the process, 446 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: always talks with the owners, and that's something. By the way, 447 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: Brian Dable always says, the communication here between the front 448 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: office and him has been consistent throughout ever since he 449 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: got here. And again he used that word confidence a. 450 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: Number of times. 451 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this will be the final thing we say 452 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: before we say goodbye. You guys can go off and 453 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: enjoy your bye week. You won't see these two faces 454 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: again until Monday. Good for you. You're welcome that. Even 455 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: though again he hasn't hit a thousand in the draft, 456 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: no one ever does. That's the nature of the draft. 457 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: He didn't say that. That's me saying that second part. 458 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: He just said I haven't bet at a thousand in 459 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: the draft. That wish I could, but I haven't. He 460 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: trusts the process and the people that are here making 461 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: the decisions. And I think I said this earlier. I 462 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: just want to reiterate it because I said this on 463 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: Tuesday's Big Book Kickoff Live with Matt where even though 464 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: all the decisions haven't worked, and Joe said as much, 465 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: whether it was a draft or for agency, all the 466 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: decisions haven't worked. Right, the theory and the methods behind them, 467 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: I think makes sense. Whether it's not paying big money 468 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: for a running back, not paying money for a non 469 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: premium position like a safety, you can find guys in 470 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: the draft that can step it. Now, it's Tayland as 471 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: good a Zoomers, Zavid McKinney is this year with all 472 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: the picks. No, he's not there yet, but maybe in 473 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: a year will be. We don't know that. Tyron Tracy 474 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: has certainly been extremely productive since he understanding, you need 475 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: weapons for your quarterback, you need to rush the pass, 476 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: or the acquisition of Brian Burns, you need to be 477 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: better upfront. Improvement of the offensive line finally something we've 478 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: been calling for for ten years. It's finally gotten here. 479 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: The offensive line. Is it great? No? It does? It 480 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: allow you to run your offense any way you want. 481 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: What's my word, John, functional? There you go, it's functional. 482 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: So I think in those ways that he sees progress 483 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: and he trusts the people on the process that have 484 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: put some of that progress into effect. And with some 485 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: changes here, and you know, obviously a lot of people 486 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: are gonna focus on the quarterback position. That could be 487 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: one of the changes. We don't know the answer to that. Qut, No, 488 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: we don't now. Joe would not answer that. He was 489 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: asked specifically about Daniel Jones's future after this year. He 490 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: would not go there. He said, well, worry about that 491 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: after the year. That's where we're at and we'll see 492 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: if the Giants can continue to build and frankly, try 493 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: to turn this thing around. As he said many times 494 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: at two and eight, no one's happy with the record. 495 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: No one's happy, and everyone has their hand in it. 496 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, the only way to do it is one game 497 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: at a time, John, And you'll remember when they beat Seattle. 498 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: And when moved at a time. 499 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: Exactly, and when they beat the Seahawks in the Pacific Northwest, 500 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: they came down to a block field goal by Isaiah Simmons. 501 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: That has probably been the most clutch and maybe the 502 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 2: only clutch play the Giants have made down the stretch 503 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 2: to finish a game. They need to find more. 504 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: Of those, absolutely, and they'll try to do it against 505 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: the ten Day Buccaneers. They come to town on Sunday, November 506 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: twenty fourth, and then a quick turnaround at Dallas on 507 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving on the twenty eighth, and Dak Prescott, by the way, 508 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: after the year with that hamstring, Yes, that'll either be rush. 509 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: I guess at that point if next week goes Bagon 510 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: to Dallas, I would not be shocked. And then you 511 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: better stop the run. That dude can run. Yeah, so 512 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: you better be careful though. 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