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Speaker 1: What's branding my sex slaves. Boy, that's a bad intro.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. When Sophie's not here, this gives off

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Speaker 1: the rail so hard. I remember what Evan's posted behind

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Speaker 1: the bastards. We're telling you about all the worse people

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Speaker 1: in all of history. My guest today Ana Selina's Anna.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today? I'm doing great. I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited to be here now. Anna, you are, of course

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Speaker 1: the the the author slash artiste behind Bad Comics by

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Speaker 1: Anna Lovely Comics. Um, anything else you want to plug

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Speaker 1: up at the top? Oh god? Um? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're in l A, come out to you CB. Um.

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Speaker 1: I perform on some teams and check them out. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know U c B. About a year ago today

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Speaker 1: We talked about how it's a little bit culty, and

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Speaker 1: we talked about them in the context of a guy

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Speaker 1: who was definitely a cult leader named Keith motherfucking R. Nearing.

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Speaker 1: We did so interesting because an article came out about

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Speaker 1: and it's it's one of those things, Like I do

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Speaker 1: lot of friends who are in UC be considered a

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Speaker 1: part of their lives. You've got to be careful. This

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Speaker 1: episode could get pulled, could could be pulled if I

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Speaker 1: trash talket. Thankfully that's never happened before. Um, any really

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Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit. The key is, the

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Speaker 1: is the things that make a cult, like love bombing

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Speaker 1: if it's just a way to make people feel welcome,

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Speaker 1: then it's not necessarily a toxic thing. Like there's all

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Speaker 1: just be like a bunch of buddies learning how to

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Speaker 1: there's not addictive aspects to that or they can't have

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Speaker 1: problematic aspects to that. And the pay in aspects, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when it's like a full on cult cult, Keith Ranier

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Speaker 1: in June of two thousand and nineteen, Keith Reniery was

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Speaker 1: that's good news. That is good news. That is good news.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a prisons guy, that's true. I'm not either,

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Speaker 1: Like he's too dangerous wherever he is, He's going to

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Speaker 1: And if Keith Renier, he had just been conning the

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Speaker 1: presumably thin enough for Keith's sexual energy. Vanguard called Danielle

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00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: to tell her that it was time, and in the

423
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 1: tradition of all great romances, he took her to an

424
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: office building storage room to fuck. No what that's what

425
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: women want? No, he's doing right there. He is so

426
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: rich at this point, isn't he. I well know, he

427
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: lives at quiet church mounts like existence if you remember.

428
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. So okay, storage room, that

429
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: storage storage room. Well that's what I I consider myself

430
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 1: a romantic And if I know one thing about women,

431
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: it's that all of you desire the sheer, erotic intimacy

432
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: of an office building storage room. Oh yeah, I mean

433
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: you read erotic novels and they are front to back

434
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: just storage room boxes, a hammer mill paper, you know,

435
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 1: reams or like like like palettes of of of blue pens. Yeah,

436
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: there's a whole series about those storage units where you

437
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: you pick up the what are those called, you know,

438
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: the oh yeah, the doors, like the metal, the metal,

439
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: the metal doors that slide up and there's like a

440
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: thrill you could get stuck in the set. The smell

441
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: of printer ink cartridges. That's why the most popular men's

442
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: Clode brands or printer ink cartridge. Oh yeah to smell. Yeah, no,

443
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: I'll rub but like one of those from a dot

444
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: matrix on me before going out for a date. And

445
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: really haven't had sex in years, but that's just now. Uh.

446
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 1: So they had their storage room liaison and after this,

447
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: Daniello was expected to constantly give Vanguard blow jobs several

448
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: times per day. She alleges that she and her sister

449
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: were forced to have group sex with Keith several times, uh,

450
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: saying we cried the whole time in court. Yeah. Now,

451
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: Danielle and two of her other sisters were impregnated by

452
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: Keith Ranieri and he forced all three of them to

453
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: have abortions, which he paid for. Danielle claims that after

454
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: her abortion, Keith tried to raise her spirit by telling

455
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: her that the operation was a good opportunity to lose

456
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: more weight. Abortion will make you ben, he told her,

457
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: quote Olympic athletes get abortions as part of training. What

458
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: that's so crazy? I mean, I can't I guess at

459
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: this point she's been groomed. She's like being deeply manipulated.

460
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: She is brainwashed. Where were her parents? Her parents are

461
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: in the cult? Yeah, they moved from Mexico to the

462
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: US to be a part of this thing. So yeah,

463
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: they've they've clearly fallen for it. And like you know,

464
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: by the time they meet, Keith's a guy in his fifties,

465
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: she's sixteen, so like he's got two of her lifetimes

466
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: of experience just manipulating people, and she's a fucking teenager.

467
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah she's a kid. Yeah, um, yeah, So Keith clearly

468
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: took pains to make sure his sexual liaisons with Danielle

469
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: and her sisters didn't start until they were of legal age,

470
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: but she did allege and authorities found child pornography taken

471
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: up the girls before they were of legal age. I'm

472
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: sure this whole idea that he waited exactly until they

473
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: were eighteen, I don't buy it. Yeah, yeah, he definitely,

474
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: at the very least he had a legal porn of

475
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 1: these girls before he started sleeping with him. It may

476
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: have been one of those things where he convinced himself

477
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: that if he waited to actually fuck until they were eighteen,

478
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: that he'd be safe. But like, I don't be honest,

479
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised he was probably sending dirty text messages.

480
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: He was definitely doing a lot of that. Yeah, yeah,

481
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: it was. I mean he was having her lose weight

482
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: to be ready to fuck him for two years while

483
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: she was a child, which I don't know if that's

484
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: exactly a crime, but it ought to be not to be. Yeah,

485
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: that to the books. Yeah, um so essentially. Daniella at

486
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: one point, after like starting her relationship with Keith Reniery,

487
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: expressed an interest in a man who was not Keith Reniery.

488
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: She apparently kissed a male Nexium member and that made

489
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: him furious. He told her that she wasn't pure anymore.

490
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: Then he threw her across the room and left her

491
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: lying on the floor. She said, the world closed in

492
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: on me. Every degree of freedom I had was lost.

493
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: Danielle was imprisoned in a bedroom for two years, locked

494
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: outside of where her family was living, but didn't see

495
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: her family for two years, even though they were living

496
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: in the same house. Was locked in a bedroom. This

497
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: is yeah, and now I see what you mean. Yeah,

498
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: that's next level. Yeah, Keith Bill Danielle's imprisonment as a

499
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: solution to her problem behavior. Salzman testified to this quote.

500
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: Keith told me that she was stealing and that she

501
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: had said she was going to lose weight and instead

502
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: gained forty pounds. Danielle would spend days at a time

503
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: in the room, sitting against the wall, trying not to scream.

504
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: She would count days and pour through her memories just

505
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: to try and stay sane. Salzman claims she had helped

506
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: Vanguard punished Daniello because she was convinced it would help

507
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: her prove to him that she could be a good mother.

508
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: We were incredibly abusive to daniellew Everything she did. We

509
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: shot down. Nothing she could do was the right thing.

510
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: Of all the things I did in this case and

511
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: all the crimes that I admitted to, this was the

512
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: worst thing I did. I think she's accurate about Yeah,

513
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: so what's with this candor? Like she she pled? She

514
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: pled guilty. Yeah, she played guilty. I think to racketeering

515
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: is what they got her on. Um. So you know

516
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: you would think she would be like, I did what

517
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: I had to do, But she's being so frank. She

518
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: is being frank, And you know, it is entirely possible

519
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: people do come to realizations that they did sucked up

520
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: things and feel legitimately bad about them. And maybe that

521
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: happened in Salzman's case. Kind of sounds. I get the

522
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: feeling with that with her more than I do with

523
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: Alison Mack. We'll talk about more like absolutely. But at

524
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: the same time, it is important to remember Salzman was

525
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: an integral part of Nexium's leadership for a long time.

526
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: Because she might feel some contrition doesn't mean it wasn't

527
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: sucked up. Yeah, it was very fucked up. Does seem

528
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: very possible she feels some real contrition. I don't know

529
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: the person. While Danielle seems to have gotten the very

530
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: worst of Vanguard, every member of the d Os women's group,

531
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: the so called slaves, were victims of hernerie as well

532
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: as in many cases perfect traders in their own right.

533
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: Members were expected to provide their mentors higher level slaves

534
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: with collateral, ranging from naked pictures of themselves too, in

535
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: at least one case, a false confession of prostitution addressed

536
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: to the slaves mother, that's a nice Yeah. They needed

537
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: collateral um so that if these people like left the

538
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: group or spoke about it to the press, you know,

539
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: it would be released. That was control. In a lot

540
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: of cas it was naked photos. At least one woman

541
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: said Keith had her right out of confession to like

542
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: working as a prostitute. That would be like sent to

543
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: her mom if she god, I think, I mean, you

544
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: would never think that in the moment. But like stepping back,

545
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: those things seem not that powerful of blackmail because it's like,

546
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: once you escaped, you would be like that was blackmail.

547
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: I had to get out of a cult. Also, naked

548
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: pictures is less of a This is one of the

549
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: things that I think might get better about society after

550
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: we get used to deep fakes. Like it's going to

551
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: be a rough couple of years at the start, but

552
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: eventually it's like, who cares if you've got her naked pictures?

553
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: Like anyone you can have anyone's naked pictures at any point.

554
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: It takes seven seconds. Yeah, and not just pictures videos,

555
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: not just pictures videos. And maybe we all just stop.

556
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: Maybe everyone just starts, stops wearing clothing. Maybe we're just

557
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: hanging out our genitals for the rest of time. I

558
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: feel like you're you're kind of proposing that I am.

559
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: What I'm proposing is that the next set of presidential debates,

560
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: everybody's naked. Oh my god, that would lay everybody's naked

561
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: playing fields so much. It would it would. Donald Trump

562
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: would not have made it far absolutely not not. I

563
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: mean even I don't know how would have done a

564
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: lot better. I believe that you got to see the

565
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: guy's abs like a fucking cheese grater. Hey, I believe it.

566
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: The poor guy, he probably works out, spreads it at

567
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: the gym, mad game. He's got a lot of regret

568
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: that he's working at it. He's got a he's just

569
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: listening to to Fort Minor and doing crunches for hours.

570
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: I will say, the idea of all these people naked

571
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: is making me slightly nauseous. It should, it should um,

572
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: but it would be for the greater good of democracy,

573
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: so we have to do it. And also cops should

574
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: always be naked. How would be crazy? I think how

575
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: different that world would be. I don't know. I feel

576
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: like it would lead to maybe more sexual assault. It might.

577
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: I feel like it would lead to less shootings though,

578
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: because less cops are going to pull people over because

579
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: exactly so. Yeah, I feel like you might get a

580
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: net good out of that, but you know it more

581
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: more sexual assault. You don't have to bring it. Yeah,

582
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: maybe you shouldn't analyze this theory of mind. These are

583
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: supposed to be the moments of levity. Yeah, these are

584
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: the moments of levity. So this drop box folder of

585
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: a collateral was kept organized by small bill actress Alison

586
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: mac Um. The slaves who sexually serviced Mr Reyniery, we're

587
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: all put on extreme weight loss plans in order to

588
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: make themselves into Vanguard's idea of a perfect woman. They

589
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: started on one thousand calorie diets that were gradually restricted

590
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: down to just five dred calories predict nothing that's not

591
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: enough to survive. Victims would be ordered to send photos

592
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: of their meals to mentors and ask permission before being

593
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: allowed to eat. But of course, Keith himself was not

594
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: required to abide by his own rules for his slaves.

595
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: According to the BBC, well, he demanded the women around

596
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: him remain excruciatingly thin. The Vanguard reportedly ate pizza around

597
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: the clock and cakes galore, picking out on potato chips

598
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: and hot sauce flown in from his devotees around the world.

599
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he be able to eat stuff? Yeah, flown in?

600
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, at least you some fucking crunches. If

601
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna sorry, I don't want to say that. He

602
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: should be more like Jeb Bush, but maybe he should,

603
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: he should, you know what, Jeb Bush all things considered.

604
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: Nice guy married to a Latina speak Spanish. Then again,

605
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people speak Spanish these days. A lot

606
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: of people speak Spanish these days. That's the big thing

607
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: in presidency. Yeah, yeah, maybe fucking awesome if Elizabeth Warren

608
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: just dropped like a ten minute speech in doth racky

609
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: at the debate, just like just like with it, and

610
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: then like Corey Burker starts arguing and cling on and

611
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: it's just like what the fund is happening? Yeah, Like

612
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: she gives her that sassy look that he gave to

613
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: Beato and then he starts speaking. Yeah. Yeah. Now. In

614
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: our prior episodes, we talked about the branding routines also

615
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: required for d OS members. They were pressured in large

616
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: group settings to spend half an hour naked being filmed

617
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: while a cauterizing pin was used to scar a stylized

618
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: brand of Keith renas initials into their pelvis is. The

619
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: court testimony revealed that victims were told the brand stood

620
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: for the four elements air, earth, and water, and the

621
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: pin represented fire. A recording was played in court of

622
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: discussing how to arrange the branding procedure with one of

623
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: his high level followers. According to CNN, he asked, at

624
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: one point, do you think the person who's being branded

625
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: should be completely nude or sort of held at the

626
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: table like a sort of almost like a sacrifice. That's cool.

627
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: He had lost his mind. He had lost his goddamn mind. Yeah.

628
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: I think he started out as a normal grow j

629
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 1: but then became an insane person. It always like, you

630
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: can't live that way and not lose your fucking skull. Right,

631
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: people worshiping you is a cancer. M I think that's

632
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: true as his power in general, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Salsman

633
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: testified that branding victims were required to submit photos of

634
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: themselves after the procedure, which Alison Mack dutifully added to

635
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: their drop box files. The photo had to be fully

636
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: frontal naked, Our brands had to show, and we had

637
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: to look happy in uniform when victim reported. According to

638
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: the Daily Beast quote, if any slave displeased Ranieri, he

639
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: would kick or whip them before threatening to release their

640
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: collateral photos saved under a dropbox named brands. And also

641
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: testified on Monday that rane he had plans to jail

642
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: women in a dungeon as a form of punishment. He

643
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: said the jail cell was for people most committed to growth.

644
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: They would get locked in a cage. She said on Monday,

645
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: I was a slave with Keith as my master, Salesman said,

646
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: adding that she was forced to keep the role of Ranieri,

647
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: who they had to call grand Master, a secret and

648
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: the society demanded a lifetime of obedience to your master.

649
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: This is the worst case in area of fifty shades

650
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: of gray. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, I think it's

651
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: hard to say. Maybe he got off on the idea

652
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: of torturing these women because the dungeon things like, oh,

653
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: you're this is you're envisioning like a medieval dungeon and

654
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: that is delighting you for most committed to growth. Yeah,

655
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: that's crazy and fucking nuts. Wow. The group would meet

656
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: three times a week in a sorority house, and whenever

657
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: any reattended, the women had to strip naked, get on

658
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: the floor and look up to him while he delivered

659
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: lectures on matters ranging from his vision for d Os

660
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: to write a book to recruitment to his intent to

661
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: create a dungeon where slaves would totally surrender themselves. Cool stuff.

662
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: Sounds like fun meetings. I can't imagine it going that far.

663
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how these things work. I just can't

664
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: imagine being in the room when all of a sudden,

665
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: it's like we're all branded. Someone just got whipped and

666
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: he's talking about the dungeon he's about to build. It's

667
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: all these little steps that lead up to it, you know,

668
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing, Like that's how it happened. That's

669
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 1: how you get sucked up in a call. I think

670
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm probably involved in like four different almost cults. If

671
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: I look around closely. You do whip a lot of people,

672
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: and I needed to talk to you about you whip

673
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Do I carry one around with me? Yeah? Yeah,

674
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: like Hitler, Oh you're right, yeah yeah. Oh no, I've

675
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: got to get rid of that. Yeah you get you

676
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: really getta You gotta get just one day a week

677
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: take the whip out. Yeah, I gotta give it to Goodwill.

678
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: Good Will in l A has a really vibrant whip section,

679
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: you know they do. Yeah that next to like their

680
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: five thousand different forks. Yeah, the Santa Monica good Will

681
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: kitchen stuff and whips. Yeah. Another Renewy victim who took

682
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: the stand is known in court documents as J. She

683
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: took her first next class on August two, sixteen, and

684
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: it was a five day intensive in Albany. J found

685
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: this course helpful, so she got more involved with the cult.

686
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: Before long, she wound up in DS, forced to hand

687
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: over collateral pictures along with sexy pictures of herself on

688
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: the first every month, which she described as being like

689
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: rent for membership in the cult. Mark Agnifilio were near

690
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: his attorney insisted that all of this, the mind games

691
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: and punishments and collateral photos were part of Keith's self

692
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: improvement program. He claimed people signed up for it willingly.

693
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: They were not there to go shopping. There there to

694
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: make their lives better. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah. I guess

695
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: if you want to convince people to do all these awful,

696
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: awful things and have awful things done to them, you

697
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: say it's for self growth. I'm hey, classic grift. I'm

698
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: doing the artist's way right now. It's all about creative

699
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: growth and self reflection and growth. And you're bringing up

700
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: some of these buzzwords, and I am uncomfortable about how

701
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: much their reson would be there's certain phrases that are

702
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: like shortcuts to uh tricking people into taking extreme act

703
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: action UM. And it's why I worry about the use

704
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: of certain very specific words UM and growth is one

705
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, I've been using that word so much

706
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: since I started reading The Artist Way. Yeah, it's it's

707
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: just today I've said it's sixteen times trying to pitch

708
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: someone on the book. Yeah. It just always like it

709
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean don't listen to anything that like has that

710
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: that phrase in and it like talks about it, but

711
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: like be really careful when people stopped talking about attached

712
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: to a lot of things because like that's you wonder

713
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: like how all these women got into a point where

714
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: they're letting someone brand them as like sacrifice victims. It

715
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: was because like it was all framed as growth and

716
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: like it didn't start there, but it started like this

717
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: period of like, okay, growth means pain. Like if you're

718
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: gonna you want to grow into a more fit, healthy

719
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: person that you got the gym and that hurts, and

720
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: dieting hurts, and you want to build a career, you know,

721
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: as a in Hollywood or whatever, and you have to

722
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: make a lot of sacrifices and those hurt and like right,

723
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: but you know that that's how all of these people get.

724
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: So just like it. Everyone talking about growth. Every self

725
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: help plan isn't a cult. But be really careful when

726
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: you start waiting into those waters, because they're sharks in there. Yeah. Cool,

727
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: you know where there's not sharks. Um products and service,

728
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Speaker 1: products and services not sharks. Uh. Dick pills are what

729
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730
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Speaker 1: And and again this is a free ad for them,

731
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. It could be a Microsoft Dad,

732
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: could be Coca. We're just I'm just very enthusiastic about

733
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: Dick pills. They don't promise you. They do promise growth,

734
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: but in a way that is very predictable, scientific, scientific growth, verifiable. Yeah,

735
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: Dick pills, that's great products. Not a scam, not a scam. Yeah,

736
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: we're back. We're talking about things that are in fact scams.

737
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: So we were talking about j who took the stage

738
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: to talk about her time in Keith Renar. He's cold.

739
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from Forbes here. Her perspective changed after

740
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: her master invited her into a shared dropbox account where

741
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: all the slaves and her groups submitted nude photos of

742
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: themselves another compromising information each month. It got scary, j said,

743
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: explaining how she would eventually realize that the photos could

744
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: be used to blackmail her. Jay testified that she first

745
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: considered Alison Mack a carrying and good person who would

746
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: help her with her acting career, but soon half found

747
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: her to be emotionally abusive, vindictive, and manipulative. Now maxiems

748
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: to have been one of the key members of this

749
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: group and was like the one of the top level slaves,

750
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: So she was a slave to her neary, but she

751
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: was a master to all of these women, was responsible

752
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: for keeping them in line. So again, you know, Keith

753
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: is abusing all of these women, but he's also using

754
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: them to abuse each other and sort of like this

755
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: tiered system because he just doesn't have all the time

756
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: to do that of course not. Yeah, yeah, it's the

757
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: herbal life of therrible life of sex, colds, down lines,

758
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: and ship. Jay was eventually ordered to move from Los

759
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: Angeles to a house near Albany with her nearing and

760
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: his inner circle. On the surface, it was so that

761
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: Keith could help her launch a T shirt brand. How delightful.

762
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: How delightful. But once she arrived, she found herself trapped

763
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: in a weird sex cult of women who were all

764
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: clearly being ordered to starve themselves. Jay noticed that many

765
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: of them were losing their hair, so she joined them,

766
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: sending in her weight to Raney each morning and restricting

767
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: herself to the same five calorie diet. Yeah. Jay testified

768
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: that volleyball was Keith's very favorite sport, and in true

769
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: narcissistic fashion, he required everyone to watch him play. D

770
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: OS members would dress in their best clothes and put

771
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: on makeup to watch Keith play fucking volleyball against two

772
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: against I you know, I don't know, I guess whoever

773
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: there were. There were men in the group too, so

774
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: it was probably some of them. During breaks in the play,

775
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: the women of d OS would line up so Raneer

776
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: he could kiss them each on the lips and takes

777
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: walks with them one on one to talk about their progress.

778
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, this so weird. Wow so again.

779
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: Allison Mack was the person managing j and eventually told

780
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: her that she had been tasked with seducing Keith Raneering.

781
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: She insisted this was an honor and a privilege. She

782
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: was asked to seduce Keith until he took a naked

783
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: photo of her and sent it to Alison Mack as proof.

784
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: This seems to be what finally shook j out of

785
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: her involvement in the cult. Everything was crumbling. It was

786
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: my worst nightmare come to life. That I would be

787
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: a cult and someone would want to sleep with me,

788
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. Yeah, that somebody would want

789
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: to sleep with me was sort of the fundamental part.

790
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: When we were starving ourselves. I didn't know that was

791
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: a cult, but yeah, there's a fucking I guess everybody

792
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: has that in a cult, that like moment of like,

793
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: oh this is right, you're right, and you know everybody

794
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: gets sucked into things. I guess I can see if

795
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: everyone around you is doing this stupid five hundred calorie

796
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: literally wasting away diet, the pressure, because I even feel it.

797
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean I feel it when I hang out with

798
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: like skinny friends and stuff and they're like, I'm just

799
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: going to get a salad. I don't need dinner. I'm like,

800
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: I feel like such a cow ordering my fried whatever

801
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: fried pickles. Yeah, I feel that way anytime I go

802
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: to a gym in Los Angeles. Like everybody looks like

803
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: they were poured into a work place to go to jam.

804
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking, literal fitness models go to the gym, going

805
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: to Oregon for Jim's great going to a gym in

806
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: Los Angeles where it's like nothing but fitness models and stuff.

807
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: I'm on a treadmill and both sides of me are beautiful,

808
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: gorgeous tall models. Yeah, that doesn't make me want to

809
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: keep calling. Yeah, where there's there's guys just like casually

810
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: bench pressing three hundred pounds and like look like they

811
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: walked out of an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. Like look like

812
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: somebody who fights John Wick? Really? Yeah, and then and

813
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: they probably do and they probably probably some of them

814
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: literally fight John Wick. Yeah. Oh so um. Jay managed

815
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: to escape the colt without ever actually completing her assignment

816
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: to seduce Keith Reneering. On the stand, Renes defense attorney

817
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: clarified that Jay was only asked to seduce Keith, not

818
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: sleep with him, because that makes it better. Okay, okay,

819
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: it's good defense to prosecution. You know what, I don't

820
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: believe it. You don't believe that. I don't buy I

821
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: think it was I mean, maybe he was like really

822
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: into edging. Yeah, maybe he was really into edging. I'll

823
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: give it some water then, like sure, can you say

824
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: that phrase like that holds water. I'll give it some water,

825
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: give it a little little water. I'll see if it'll

826
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: hold it. Okay. Now there are many other horrific details.

827
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: One one year old woman who took the stand claim

828
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: that Rainy blindfolded her, tied her up, and made her

829
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: lie in a cold table while another slave went down

830
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: on her against her will. Uh. This woman claimed that

831
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: she did not fight, obeying Allison Max's order to be

832
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: a good slave. This is the part where it's like

833
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: lots of rape happened. Yeah, there's definitely a lot of

834
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: that happened. Yeah, that's sad. Salzman and mac both eventually

835
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: pled guilty to charges of racketeering conspiracy. Both seemed to

836
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: have turned against their guru. During her testimony, Salesman went

837
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 1: into brutal detail about the things she and Neary forced

838
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: people to do. She told stories of women forced to

839
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: stand barefoot in the snow or locked in a cage.

840
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: She admitting to forcing valium on a slave who had

841
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: what she described as a psychotic break, which I'm going

842
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: to guess was actually just omen reacting totally reasonably to

843
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: the fund up things. Keith Renieri was someone being like, finally,

844
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, you did not medicate someone having a mental

845
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: health issue. You drugged someone who realized they were put

846
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: in a horrible position. Yeah, or I mean, look, if

847
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm to believe her, fine, then you drove someone to

848
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: a mental to a mental break, which is also possible. Yeah.

849
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: After hearing all this, the Brooklyn jury test with deciding

850
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: Vanguard's fate, did not need a lot of time to

851
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: make their decision. After four and a half hours, they

852
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: returned a four page verdict finding Nary guilty of all

853
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: seven charges. According to The New York Times, celebration ensued.

854
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: Prosecutors on the case hugged and kissed cheeks former Nexium

855
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: What a weird detail. Former Nexium followers, who had later

856
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: turned on their leader, pushed into the hallway to continue

857
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: the jubilee. Mark Agnefilio, one of Mr Rainierries defense lawyers,

858
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: later told news media that when Mr Renery learned of

859
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: the quick turnaround, he remarked, that's not justice. Well, okay, yeah,

860
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: that's that feels This feels a little bit like justice.

861
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: To make Yeah, of course they were going to walk

862
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: away from that, and I think he was guilty. Yeah,

863
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: the details are so damn it and a horrible and

864
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: specific Yeah, like you can't make that ship up. No, no,

865
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: And there's like phone conversations and text messages and like that.

866
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: It's a drop box. There's a drop box full of

867
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: evidence of people, like full of blackmail crime. Very they're

868
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: using dropbox for blackmail and social medias cuts both ways.

869
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: It can help you maintain your cult. But I just

870
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: want to understand why you would use dropbox when you

871
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: can just use Google your Google drive head you know,

872
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: I do have a drop BOXX. I'm gonna I'm gonna advise.

873
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm not getting funded by drop box, but I'm gonna

874
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: advise my listeners. If you start a sex cult and

875
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: you need a place to keep your blackmail, drop Box

876
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: really well. It has that stop feature where you can

877
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: use your desktop to move a file. So if you

878
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: have a big nude photograph that takes up a lot

879
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: of space, you want that feature. You do want that feature.

880
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: I convinced myself into using conn for your sex call

881
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: for my sex call. Yeah, so mine won't be a

882
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: bad one. It won't be like it be god non consensual. Yeah,

883
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: mine will be a good sex colt until the FDA

884
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: starts firing grenades And yeah, man, what do you have

885
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: to do to that? I really want to piss the FDA.

886
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: You have to go around selling bootleg medicine? Are you comfortable?

887
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people do that and

888
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: the FDA doesn't do anything. That's true. It's gonna be

889
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: hard to push them that far, but I'm gonna try.

890
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: I think I think you could. I think I could. Yeah,

891
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: I just I want to see what it looks like

892
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: when they militarize. That's the goal. That's the goal, is

893
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: to get the FDA shoot pills at you or like

894
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: certified meat products. Yeah, through something like that. I feel

895
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: like if I really play my cards right, I could

896
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: get the FDA to assault a t F headquarters and

897
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: then like right, and I have one Okay, Well, you know,

898
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: so you told me earlier you wanted to run for president.

899
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: At some point, it sounds like, after all this unfold

900
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: is the time to run for president. Yeah, after I've

901
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: I've gotten the FDA to take down the A t F. Yeah,

902
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: I think so, because there's like a vacuum at that

903
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: point so much in fighting, you just swoop right in.

904
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: You'll have been in the Adirondacks for seven weeks, so

905
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: you'll be strong, you'll be full of natural foods. Well. Yeah,

906
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: And I feel like like if I if I attack

907
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: the f DAY enough, then I make them come after me.

908
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: Like there's a way to do that as like negging,

909
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: where eventually they just like crave my approval And they're

910
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: sounding a lot like Keith right now. It's not ineffective.

911
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: You just have to get it to a positive goal,

912
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: like turning the FDA into a second branch of the

913
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: mill to the right people. I need to improve my

914
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: ability to nag the right people. We all do, and

915
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: that's how I'm going to start my cult. It is

916
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: just teaching other people how to nag. It sounds like

917
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: you're describing the game that ship. I keep doing that.

918
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna be what's his name mystery, Yeah, and teach

919
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: young virgin men how to nag women into bed. But

920
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: in my case it's going to be how to nag

921
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: the FDA into arming. In charming, it's the same thing.

922
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: These are small semantic details. Well, that's the story of

923
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Keith Nary. He's going to appeal, but I think there's

924
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,959
Speaker 1: probably chance motherfucker dies in a cell. He definitely will,

925
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: which is great. What an interesting thing to have. I

926
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: guess some semblance of a happy ending to one of

927
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: your stories. It does seem like that. It seems like

928
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: he got a thorough amount of Obviously he was allowed

929
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: to continue for too long, and he really fucked up

930
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people's lives. But like as much justice

931
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: as could be gotten after this point seems to have

932
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: been gotten. Like he's never going to get out of prison.

933
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: His crimes have been exhaustively detailed, his victims have gotten

934
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: their day in court looking at him in the face

935
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: and seeing him sentenced. That's is about as good as

936
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: it gets in one of these cases. Yeah, is there

937
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: any I mean, I wonder is there any this seems

938
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 1: too good to be true? Is there any aftermath, any

939
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: followers of nexium that are going out and spreading his

940
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: good word? Well, the one kind of downside is that

941
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: Q and on has really embraced this because they have

942
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: convinced themselves there's big ties between Keith Reniery and Hillary Clinton,

943
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: which there aren't. They just aren't. Yeah, that would be insane. Yeah,

944
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: how would those connections. Yeah, and there's a bunch of

945
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: people like, like a bunch of talk and Q and

946
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: on boards about like the mainstream media is ignoring the

947
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: Reneerie verdict. It's like, no, dude, it's like the New

948
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: York Times published a bunch of front page at The

949
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: Daily Beast has covered it exhaustively, like people cared to it.

950
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: People cared to agree we're doing a third episode on him, Like, no,

951
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: no one's covering this up. It just has nothing to

952
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: do with global politics. So they think it's connected. But

953
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: to the whole, all democrats are pedophiles thing they were, right, Yeah,

954
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 1: here's one more reason that Democrats are pedophiles. Wow, that's

955
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: picking and choosing, picking and choosing cult leaders. You want

956
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: to use his zamm Oh, this is fucked up enough

957
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: without like pretending it's other things. You spend a lot

958
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: of time on those much time on those messages? Is

959
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: it chilling? Yeah, it's unsettling because I read your tweets

960
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: where you talk about like just so you guys, you

961
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: know what's going on in eight chan and I definitely

962
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: don't because eight chan four chan is here right after

963
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: Reddit and then a chan is even insane? Or do

964
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: you have to prove yourself to get on eight chan.

965
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: Anyone can view it like it's one of those things.

966
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: If you start posting there and you haven't lurked for

967
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: a long time, they'll they'll pick you out and they'll

968
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: be like get out of here. They'll make fun of

969
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: you and tell you to lark more. Like it's it's

970
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: one of those things were like, it's essentially the same

971
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: thing as like a foreign line, which like if you're

972
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 1: if you walk like like if you're beat a pedal

973
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: Rourke and you start talking in Spanish and a debate,

974
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: people will know like, Okay, this isn't a guy who

975
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: grew up speaking Spanish exactly. Um, it's like that like

976
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: like with with these lingos. But the eight chan chunks

977
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: that talk about Q and on are a lot different

978
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: because their goal is to get a lot of like

979
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: older people in boomers and stuff to keep posting and

980
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: like draw them in further and further. So they actually

981
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of conversations about like how to welcome

982
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: older people who are getting like sucked into Q and

983
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: on and stuff. So like, yeah, it's weird You've got

984
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: like these chunks of eight Chan that are like literal

985
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: neo Nazis who are so online that it's broken their brains.

986
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: And then you've got like Grandma's like pouring over Q

987
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: drops and stuff. It's really everything is so weird getting

988
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: pulled in more than one. And those people believe that

989
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: Keith Ranieri is a front of the Democratic Party. Are

990
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: you just a lurker? Yeah, I just lark. I don't post,

991
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: right because what would you post? Why would I even? Yeah,

992
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: there's nothing to gain from it, right, Yeah. And do

993
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: you think I know this is a little long shpic,

994
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: but do you think that this is a growing problem.

995
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, they've killed getting more and more

996
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: people have been killed this year, and that gets fostered

997
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: on the boards. Yeah, I mean the christ Church shooting,

998
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: in the Popway shooting in the in the poll boards

999
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: and you know Q and on. There's been uh two

1000
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: shootings and two murders in the last year. So yeah,

1001
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: so I guess fifty four dead you can try tie

1002
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: to that. I feel like you're like a soldier in

1003
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: the message board army. It's a really dumb war if

1004
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: that's the case, going out and really stupid war boy.

1005
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: But real, no, I won't no, just really dumb and frustrating. Yeah,

1006
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how you have the patients

1007
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: for it. I can't even like go to bright party

1008
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: remain sane. No. Um, you know we all pick our

1009
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: own private heals. Keith r Near He's picked his private hell.

1010
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: I've picked mine, and it's it's browsing e Chan until

1011
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: the FDA finally comes for me. And you've picked improv,

1012
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, And what a private hell of? What a

1013
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: private hell of? It's a very public you throw yourself

1014
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: in front of you. My suffering is both private and public. Unfortunately. Well, Anna,

1015
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: this is the end of our episode. Do you have

1016
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: any plug doubles to plug at the end of this? Uh?

1017
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: This little journey we taken? Um? Yeah. Check me out

1018
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: on Instagram my comic bad Comics with an X by

1019
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: Anna with two ends um, same handle on Twitter, uh yeah,

1020
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: and I perform at UCB, which is upright citizens great

1021
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: here in l a mildly occult but also funny shows.

1022
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: So you can look at my I don't know profile

1023
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: or I post about shows. Come to one. You can

1024
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: find me on at I right okay, on Twitter, which

1025
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a cult. Um if you

1026
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: want to help me in my quest to arm the

1027
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: f d AH and get them to take down the

1028
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: A T F You know, maybe maybe hit me up there.

1029
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: You are starting a cult right now, that is the goal. Yeah,

1030
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: I've committed now huck it, you know, in for a penny,

1031
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: in for a pound, I'm crossing that roubot. They're not

1032
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: all bad, but fly the dice. They can be good, good,

1033
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: a positive cult with the goal of getting tanks for

1034
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: the f d A. Yeah. You can find us on

1035
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: the internet behind the Bastards dot com. We will have

1036
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: the sources for this episode. You can also find us

1037
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: on the Grams and the twits. At at Bastards Pod

1038
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: you can buy T shirts, cups, uh, stickers, um, and

1039
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: maybe other products that will help me in my goals.

1040
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: I feel like we've joked enough about the FDA things,

1041
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: so I'm just not gonna I'm just gonna left that.

1042
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: Let that thread drop. Yeah, I'm drinking coffee out of

1043
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: buying the Bastard's mugg It's good, fortifies it. Yeah, I

1044
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: feel smarter. There's a lot of vitamins in that. I

1045
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: probably can't lie about that, but the FDA will come

1046
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: after me. Vitamins are in the mugs drink. The mugs

1047
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: get vitamins like an iron skillet. I will say, these

1048
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: mugs will cure your diseases. Ye. This episode is going

1049
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: to get comme at me, Motherfucker's all right, episodes over.

1050
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: Mmmmm