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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast, presented by by Star Credit

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Speaker 1: with Jaguars senior writer John Oser. All right, welcome into

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Speaker 1: the Ozone Podcast from the twenty twenty three NFL Annual Meeting.

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Speaker 1: And we were joined today by you know, every Jaguars

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Speaker 1: fan Nosing. Not every Jaguars fan loves him, but he's

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Speaker 1: here with us today, Pete Priscoe, CBS Sports. First of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. What do you mean they

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Speaker 1: don't love me? What are you talking about? So I

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Speaker 1: know you you listened to Doug Peterson yesterday. Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: sort of our lead off today impressions. I think he's

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Speaker 1: content with what he has and he has today. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: and I know the city isn't real thrilled about what

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Speaker 1: they've done in the off season, but you've got to

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Speaker 1: take into account growth and players are going to be better.

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Speaker 1: Young players are gonna be better. Trevor Lawrence is gonna

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Speaker 1: be better, Travis etm is gonna be better, the center

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Speaker 1: is going to be better, Fortner's gonna be a much

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Speaker 1: stronger kid. And on defensive side of the ball, you

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Speaker 1: had a lot of you know, Lloyd's gonna be better walking,

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Speaker 1: So you got to take into account growth when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about where the team's gonna go. And I know

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Speaker 1: people want names and you'd like to get this guy

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Speaker 1: and that guy, but look, they've done that. It worked

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Speaker 1: last year, they got to the postseason, and now you

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Speaker 1: got to start keeping your guys and making sure they

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Speaker 1: get better. There's a lack of familiarity with that too.

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Speaker 1: I think among Jaguars fans for years they've had to

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Speaker 1: take the approach of chaotic free agency, go spend because

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Speaker 1: they didn't have a core they could grow. So now

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Speaker 1: it feels off, but they've never obviously never had maybe

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Speaker 1: since the nineties. Trevor Lawrence, Christian Kirk, Evan Ingram, guys

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Speaker 1: who you know, to me everything about this team's ability

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Speaker 1: to go from nine wins to a twelve thirteen win team.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously about the quarterback, but it's about that continuity.

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Speaker 1: I've been hitting on it all off season. So I'll

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Speaker 1: let you how much can a team grow? Doug Peterson

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Speaker 1: talked about it a lot, but that growth year two,

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Speaker 1: year three or year one, year two in an offense?

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Speaker 1: What can that mean? Have you seen an example of

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Speaker 1: any recent pan sort of latch onto when you go

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Speaker 1: from in year one. For example, if you're a rookie,

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Speaker 1: you go to the combine, you do your stuff, you

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Speaker 1: get ready for the combine. You're not really focusing on

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Speaker 1: getting your body. You're getting combined body ready or arm ready.

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Speaker 1: If there's a Trevor's situation. Then you get in there,

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Speaker 1: your head spin and you're learning a new offense. You're

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Speaker 1: head spinning, Install, install, Install, You get the camp and

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Speaker 1: now you got live boats and still spinning. And so

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Speaker 1: you get to the season and God bless Hibody had

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Speaker 1: to deal with the embarrassment that was Urban Meyer and

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Speaker 1: that was a disaster for him. And so now you

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Speaker 1: flush that out. You're learning a whole new system, and

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Speaker 1: you get a head coach in Doug Peterson who's great

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Speaker 1: for the quarterback. And here now you play through the

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Speaker 1: whole season, and it took you a while to get

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Speaker 1: up to where you should be, and you saw it

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Speaker 1: throughout the second half of the season. Now you come

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Speaker 1: to the offseason. You know the offense, you know your

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Speaker 1: head coach, you know your receivers, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you go, oh, this is the way it's supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: And that's where Trevor larks Is and by the way, continuity.

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Speaker 1: We look at the Chiefs because they've been one of

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Speaker 1: the one of those teams that's around, stay around teams.

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Speaker 1: Why the core guys, it starts with them. As long

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Speaker 1: as you have the quarterback, that's the first and foremost.

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Speaker 1: But you have Kelsey, you have Chris Jones. You don't

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Speaker 1: and the quarterback will make sure you are around for

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Speaker 1: a long time, particularly in Jacksonville. How much I thought

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Speaker 1: Doug's money quote and it wasn't you know one you

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Speaker 1: put out on Twitter. It wasn't a headline grabber, but

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Speaker 1: he said the heavy through his availability, we won't be

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Speaker 1: installing the offense and defense. We're starting at a base

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Speaker 1: and we're just basically taking what work and growing from there.

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Speaker 1: That to me said everything. It's it's so much better

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Speaker 1: the NFL, he misses most of camp right with the

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Speaker 1: his head's been in and you can see it on tape.

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Speaker 1: Every every almost every player Luikhan's telling him were the

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Speaker 1: Now he's gonna understand what he should be doing better,

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Speaker 1: and that's important. That's growth. Somebody explained to me this

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Speaker 1: that there was maybe a half step of hesitation because

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Speaker 1: of what you're talking about, that flash of recognition. Play

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Speaker 1: a step behind the whole plot. Correct The difference in

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Speaker 1: That recognition that they will see they don't have to

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Speaker 1: they missed tackles that way, and they had a lot

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Speaker 1: season last year, Andre Cisco. Earlier season, there were questions

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Speaker 1: I think the whole defensive front. It seemed to me

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Speaker 1: it's a lot easier rushed the passer. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: that's a simple, simple formula for any good team, but

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Speaker 1: it's often forgotten, you know that intrinsically, and then people

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Speaker 1: game over that has to happen. And so we you know,

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Speaker 1: we look at Traymon Walker, that's not who he is.

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Speaker 1: You look at Josh Allen, that's not who he is.

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Speaker 1: They're good players, don't get me wrong. They're both good

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Speaker 1: in the season when he put his hand on the ground,

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Speaker 1: he was a better player. If you put the tape

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Speaker 1: doing that. He looked more comfortable. He's a good player,

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Speaker 1: take his great athletic ability and power and put him down?

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Speaker 1: If he became Klaiss Campbell, would they be okay with that? Well?

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Speaker 1: Of course, be looked at a great, great draft pick.

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Speaker 1: You talk to more people around the league than we do.

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Speaker 1: for that. That's a great move. The free agency class

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Speaker 1: and I've heard nothing but good reports from me. He

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Speaker 1: And he's a good kid, by the way, in case

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Speaker 1: anybody's thinking differently, he's a great kid. I think he's

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Speaker 1: open up more big plays for Zay Jones down the field.

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Speaker 1: So you add that all up, this offense can be dynamic.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about he was a number one receiver the

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Speaker 1: last year in Atlanta. He was that guy. So if

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Speaker 1: that's going to be a special offense. They're gonna it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me to see them push what thirty twenty

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Speaker 1: And if you push thirty, you're talking about a lot

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Speaker 1: of wins. Well, they're gonna win a lot of games,

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Speaker 1: a lot of games. The division's gonna be playing a

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