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Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks, it is Tuesday, September thirtieth, and get

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Speaker 1: your fat female deiass out of my military. I'm paraphrasing,

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Speaker 1: of course, but that from Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth

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Speaker 1: today And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ. Now Rhodes, I wasn't going too far, and

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Speaker 1: how a lot of people what I say too far?

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Speaker 1: That's exactly how some people took his message today to

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Speaker 2: And yet he said, by no means is he saying

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Speaker 2: that women shouldn't serve in the military. But he is

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Speaker 2: creating a system of standards that makes it very difficult,

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Speaker 2: and some might say, in certain roles impossible to serve.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so, folks, this is the message you've been hearing

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Speaker 1: about this meeting he gave to the generals, some characterized

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Speaker 1: as a lecture. Now we are going to share with

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Speaker 1: you what he said today. We don't have to interpret,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to give you necessarily that much commentary.

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Speaker 1: But there was a lot today in a forty minute speech.

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Speaker 2: Forty five minutes, I think, yeah, depending.

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Speaker 1: On how much you saw, how much you read, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna let you hear exactly what he said. Just a

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Speaker 1: little sample. This is a direct quote from him today

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Speaker 1: in his speech to the generals.

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Speaker 2: No more identity months, dei offices, dudes in dresses, no

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Speaker 2: more climate change worship, no more division distraction or gender delusions,

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Speaker 2: no more debris.

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Speaker 1: He's talking to a room full of hundreds of generals

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Speaker 1: some characterized it as a lecture, but he went through robes. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he is going to be changing a lot of policy,

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Speaker 1: but a big thing he was talking about today was culture,

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Speaker 1: and he wants to change the culture, and he went

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Speaker 1: through how he's going to do it. Now. The two

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Speaker 1: in another assignment of ours because we couldn't stop listening

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Speaker 2: People always say, oh wow, that was so jaw dropping.

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Speaker 2: I assure you both of our jaws were physically dropped

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Speaker 2: when we were listening to him. Very I mean, he

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Speaker 2: said the same thing in many different ways to make

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Speaker 2: sure that everyone understood exactly what he was saying. He

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Speaker 2: points that seemed shocking, especially even honestly just him using

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Speaker 2: the word fat. He said, no more fat generals, and

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Speaker 2: he's looking out to a sea of generals and some

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Speaker 1: Well, it was not everybody on planet Earth is supposed

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Speaker 1: we'll go through in robes. This is not a matter. Look,

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Speaker 1: he's going to change some things said the military, and

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Speaker 1: there are plenty of folks, maybe not just Trump supporters,

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Speaker 1: but there'd be plenty of folks who heard what he

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Speaker 1: get women out, should get LGBTQ plus folks out. A

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Speaker 1: It was still in this moment to sound again we'd

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Speaker 1: this is the military. We don't play games here. This

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I do think Look, and he was saying,

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Speaker 2: I get that, but he actually said we're clearing out

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Speaker 2: so it was just, look, I understand, he doesn't want

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Speaker 2: get that this is a matter of life or death.

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Speaker 2: This is a lot that's on the line at stake.

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Speaker 2: But this was something like I have never heard before

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Speaker 1: All right, So he started off the top again. You

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Speaker 1: and nobody understood why exactly. Well, we got our answer,

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Speaker 1: robes flat out off the top, good morning, and welcome

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Speaker 1: of the defense is over.

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Speaker 2: That's right. From this moment forward, the only mission of

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Speaker 2: preparing for war, and preparing to win, unrelenting and uncompromising

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Speaker 1: It was very forceful. It was very I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: pure nothing. But we will bring the hammer strength. Nothing

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Speaker 1: else to talk about, nothing else to discuss, was his tone.

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Speaker 1: We should also note he was up there. It was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a broadcaster. He knows how to read the

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Speaker 2: is what he did today. I thought this was really interesting.

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Speaker 2: So he said, our number one job, of course, is

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Speaker 2: to be strong, so that we can prevent war. In

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Speaker 2: the first place, the President talks about it all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's called peace through strength. This next line through me,

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Speaker 2: and as history teaches us, the only people who actually

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Speaker 1: Not sure how many ways to interpret and what necessarily

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Speaker 1: what exactly he meant. Rather, but that idea you stopped.

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Speaker 1: That was one of the moments you stopped to say, wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: what who deserves peace?

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Speaker 2: Doesn't everyone deserve peace? I don't know. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: It's just again, I don't know what he means that.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get too hard on all that,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying what it looks like, what you're right? No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he meant, but I know what

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Speaker 2: The aggressor, being on the offense, not on the defense.

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Speaker 2: That's why I don't think he likes the Department of Defense,

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Speaker 2: because this was a war rally, a cry for strength

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Speaker 2: this entire speech sounded like. Was what that we are

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Speaker 2: now going on the offense as a nation, this department

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Speaker 2: that he is leading, We are not going to be

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Speaker 2: defending ourselves. We are going to make sure that we

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Speaker 1: An idea of suggestion that you can't be strong, you

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Speaker 1: the defensive. Yes, it's semantics, but it was important to them.

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Speaker 1: Another line here from him today in the speech, should

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Speaker 1: In other words, to our enemies, fa fo Now I

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Speaker 1: used a little profanity. But fuck around and find out

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Speaker 1: is a bizarre thing to say to your enemy who

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Speaker 1: And again some people it's fine and might have liked

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Speaker 2: Yes. So he went on to say, this speech today

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Speaker 2: no reform, no formation will ultimately succeed unless we have

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Speaker 1: Hey, they want an election, they can turn the department

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Speaker 1: went on to talk much in much detail about the

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Speaker 1: right culture that he now sees. He continues, the best

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Speaker 1: way to take care of troops is to give them

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Speaker 1: good leaders committed to war fighting culture of the department.

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Speaker 1: Not perfect leaders. Good leaders, competent, qualified, professional, agile, aggressive, innovative,

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Speaker 2: That's fair, That's fine. Our war fighters are entitled to

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Speaker 1: Okay, so are you starting to go down that direction?

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Speaker 2: Yes. The military has been forced by foolish and reckless

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Speaker 2: This speech is about fixing decades of decay, some of

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Speaker 2: You might say, we're ending the war on Warriors. I

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Speaker 2: heard someone wrote a book about that.

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Speaker 2: He has a book that is entitled from twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: It was okay, yes, all right. So he goes on

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Speaker 1: A tough one. So called first, Like someone can't be

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Speaker 2: A woman and yes, that's who he basically called out there.

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Speaker 1: But somebody who could be the first woman could also

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Speaker 1: be the best person in that position. The first black

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Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't allow for that.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say. He didn't seem to leave space

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Speaker 1: I've heard and dealt with this in certain points. If

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Speaker 1: and big business, you always get, in some way accused

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Speaker 1: of only being there because of the of your skin.

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Speaker 1: We hear that accusation all the.

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Speaker 2: And we continue now with the I think it's fair

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what, I didn't even actually try

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Speaker 2: But look, I don't actually think any of that is

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Speaker 2: Frankly, it's tiring to look out at combat formations or

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Speaker 1: Look like a fit room of felons, really, I mean

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Speaker 2: According to Pete heisth, we've got fat generals.

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Speaker 2: position or a new profession. Look, my question is tattoos piercings, like,

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Speaker 2: He's bringing hazing back, is what a lot of people

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, he is bringing back the old time tradition

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Speaker 2: and toxic. They've been weaponized and bastardized inside our formations,

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Speaker 2: undercutting commanders and NCOs.

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Speaker 1: Uh damn it. So again, you might have some out

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Speaker 1: there plenty who would applaud this. This is war these

439
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Speaker 1: this is tough stuff. You can't take a joke. You

440
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Speaker 1: can't take a little what some called maybe old fashioned

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Speaker 1: ribbing and jokes and practical jokes and yes, locker room talk,

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Speaker 1: that kind of talk, those kind of I don't know,

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Speaker 1: slapping with a towel, I don't know, that's considered hazing.

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Speaker 1: There you could tie someone to a gold post and

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Speaker 1: that was considered hazing. You can't do that football anymore. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's making somebody stay up all night and all the

447
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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know what this is supposed to me or why it

449
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Speaker 2: push ups throughout the night and like all those things

450
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Speaker 2: we've seen, you know, that kind of hard labor physical.

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Speaker 1: What did he always point to you? He keeps going

452
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Speaker 1: back to something about these policies and changing things make

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Speaker 1: it difficult to have a force that's ready. He keeps

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Speaker 1: saying this hurts readiness. Everything he's doing is to improve readiness.

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Speaker 1: So something he believes is handcuffing these guys in such

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Speaker 1: a way that they can't just be themselves.

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Speaker 2: I would love to have a conversation. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how anyone would feel about it about I just don't

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Speaker 2: remember their being And this could just be me not

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Speaker 2: being aware that our military was somehow broken, that we

461
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Speaker 2: weren't capable, that we aren't ready. I never knew that

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Speaker 2: that was something that was that we considered or that

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Speaker 2: anyone considered about the US military. Has that been a

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Speaker 2: big topic of discussion where this needs and we need

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Speaker 2: a complete overhaul of our military.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because there was a Democrat in office for four

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Speaker 1: years between Trump's administrations. Yeah, so anytime, I mean, politically,

468
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Speaker 1: you have to talk about what you have to talk

469
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Speaker 1: about the economy, you got to talk about defending the country,

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Speaker 1: you got to talk about the troups. You got to

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Speaker 1: talk about the military, how you're going to strengthen, how

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Speaker 1: you're going to fund them in the way that your

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Speaker 1: opponent did not.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying this is politics.

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Speaker 1: This is a lot of politics because.

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Speaker 2: He's taking politics out of the military. That's what he

477
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Speaker 2: said today.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it was a whole heap in stink, pilar shit

479
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Speaker 1: of it today.

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Speaker 2: That's what I heard. He then said this, after all

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Speaker 2: of what he said beforehand. I want to be very

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Speaker 2: clear about this. This is not about preventing women from serving.

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Speaker 2: We very much value the impact of female troops. Our

484
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Speaker 2: female officers and NCOs are the absolute best in the world.

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Speaker 2: And you know there's a butt coming the next word

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Speaker 2: out of his mouth. But when it comes to any

487
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Speaker 2: job that we requires physical power to perform in combat,

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Speaker 2: those physical standards must be high and gender neutral. If

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Speaker 2: women can make it excellent, If not, it is what

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Speaker 2: it is. If that means no women qualify for some

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Speaker 2: combat jobs, so be it that is not the intent,

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Speaker 2: but it could be the result, so be it. I

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Speaker 2: will also mean it will also mean that weak men

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Speaker 2: won't qualify because we're not playing games. This is combat,

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Speaker 2: this is life or death.

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Speaker 1: Some people that would jump out of their absolutely applauding

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Speaker 1: what he just said. It's words. This is not this again,

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Speaker 1: this is war. Weak men, I guess think.

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Speaker 2: But the argument could be made. Yes, I believe, and

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Speaker 2: I think everyone would agree that women, anyone who's serving

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Speaker 2: in the military, I don't care what color you are,

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Speaker 2: what gender you are, needs to meet a certain level

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Speaker 2: of physical fitness and standards. I get that. However, what

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Speaker 2: is not being considered is that sometimes using your brain,

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Speaker 2: having physical brain strength actually can be just as valuable.

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Speaker 2: So yes, I tell you it, war though I would

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Speaker 2: take it, or absolutely, you need to think clearly, you

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Speaker 2: need to have somebody.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he can tell you this about strength. He would

510
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Speaker 1: make the.

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Speaker 2: Argument to fire a gun, I need to have strength.

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Speaker 1: Yes, This is the whole argument he was making today,

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Speaker 1: is that this has to do with physical standards, a

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Speaker 1: physical standard. What did you hear about him upping the

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Speaker 1: standard of a of a test that required brain power.

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Speaker 2: I believe that brain power is just as important oh im, and.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people will agree. I completely agree. Plus

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Speaker 1: there are plenty of people who can't do as many

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Speaker 1: push ups as I can, who are much better in

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Speaker 1: a fight, or much better in a crisis than I.

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Speaker 2: Or a better shot, better sniper, a better a lot

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Speaker 2: of things.

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Speaker 1: A room for that today, all right?

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Speaker 2: So he goes on to say, Pete Hexas goes on

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Speaker 2: to say, I look out at this group, and I

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Speaker 2: see great Americans, leaders who have given decades to our

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Speaker 2: great republic, at great sou scrifice to yourselves and to

528
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Speaker 2: your families. Do you hear a butt coming? I do

529
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Speaker 2: the next word out of his mouth. But if the

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Speaker 2: words I'm speaking today are making your heart sink, then

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Speaker 2: you should do the honorable thing and resign. We would

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Speaker 2: thank you for your service.

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Speaker 1: There's another butt that's important here.

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Speaker 2: But I suspect I know the overwhelming majority of you

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Speaker 2: feel the opposite. These words make your hearts full. You

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Speaker 2: love the War Department because you love what you do,

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Speaker 2: the profession of arms. You are hereby liberated to be

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Speaker 2: an apolitical, hard charging, no nonsense constitutional leader that you

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Speaker 2: joined the military to be.

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Speaker 1: If you think that felt like a rallying crime to them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, possibly that was taken as a compliment or

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Speaker 1: a oh okay, let me give this a shot. It

543
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Speaker 1: was a lot coming at them.

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Speaker 2: The man, I like, you know what I wish this

545
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Speaker 2: would actually like? And I don't know, but I would

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Speaker 2: have loved. You know, you always kind of wish you

547
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Speaker 2: could see people's thought bubblesness. I would have loved.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how I was received.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how what the thought bubbles would be,

550
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Speaker 2: but man, that would have been fascinating, fascinating. So Pete

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Speaker 2: Hagseth went on to say, we fight not because we

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Speaker 2: hate what's in front of us. We fight because we

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Speaker 2: love what's behind us. You see, the Ivy League faculty

554
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: lounges will never understand us, and that's okay because they

555
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: could never do what you do. The media will mischaracterize us,

556
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Speaker 2: and that's okay because deep down they know the reason

557
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Speaker 2: they can do what they do is you in this

558
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Speaker 2: and that's I appreciate that they do protect us absolutely

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Speaker 2: in this profession. You feel comfortable inside the violence so

560
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Speaker 2: that our citizens can live peacefully. Lethality is our calling

561
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Speaker 2: card and victory our only acceptable end state.

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Speaker 1: Sending a message with his words, He's sending a message

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Speaker 1: with his language that might sound like a rallying cry.

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Speaker 1: It might motivate. Not pretending to understand the mind of

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Speaker 1: a military man or woman. They are built different, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, and I respect that. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: how they received. I just know what I heard today,

568
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Speaker 1: But there was some stuff in there that hell, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps they feel empowered, and perhaps they feel it's about

570
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Speaker 2: time that they were sick to pandering, to letting everybody

571
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Speaker 2: look I am look. I know you're the same way TJ.

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Speaker 2: As a parent and as somebody who came up in

573
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Speaker 2: the eighties, we didn't get participation, medals, didn't everybody didn't

574
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Speaker 2: have to feel good even when they didn't do well.

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Speaker 2: Everyone didn't get an A when they didn't have as

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Speaker 2: good of a test score. And we see a lot

577
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Speaker 2: of that today, where you don't give grades because you

578
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Speaker 2: don't want to upset people who didn't do as well

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Speaker 2: as you did. You don't want to give medals or

580
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Speaker 2: give first place. I get that that's frustrating, because I

581
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Speaker 2: do think that there should be a place and a

582
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Speaker 2: space to allow for excellence and to reward people who

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Speaker 2: work harder and who do better. I do believe that,

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Speaker 2: so I understand part of what he was saying. It's

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Speaker 2: just how he said it. And and I think the

586
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Speaker 2: question a lot of people are asking is why you know?

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Speaker 2: It felt like he went beyond what he needed to

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Speaker 2: say to get the message across.

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Speaker 1: And again that maybe was the message correct. Maybe well,

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Speaker 1: he did it exactly, This wasn't received in a way

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Speaker 1: that he didn't expectent. He did exactly what he wanted

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Speaker 1: to do, and there would be a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who applaud it. There are other people on the outside

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Speaker 1: like us who look and go, what the actual hell

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Speaker 1: by some of the language we're not used to seeing

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Speaker 1: someone speak in that manner, who was in that position,

597
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Speaker 1: And a lot of people say, well, it's about damn

598
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Speaker 1: time we did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think that the intent was shock

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Speaker 2: and awe, getting people to understand where they're coming from

601
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Speaker 2: and why they're doing what they do. And he said

602
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Speaker 2: it plainly. He definitely looked like he had rehearsed it.

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Speaker 2: He certainly was intentional. And everything he said, like you said,

604
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Speaker 2: it was on the prompter, It was written. This was

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Speaker 2: not something he just said, This is something he chose.

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Speaker 1: And every quote we read here today. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: to do it, verbet I was taking notes initially, and

608
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Speaker 1: then they posted the speech and it had those exact quotes.

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Speaker 1: They were lifted from what the Department of Defense put out,

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Speaker 1: so those were his words. A new military, a different military,

611
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Speaker 1: and a military that is h might be stranded in DC.

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Speaker 1: Government's about to shut down as we record this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they asked everyone to please get home quickly, and

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Speaker 2: if the government shuts down before they could get their

615
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Speaker 2: tickets or their way out, they'd have to wait until

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Speaker 2: the government reopens to get reimbursed. So the government will

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Speaker 2: be reimbursing these generals who flew thousands of miles, many

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Speaker 2: of them when the government reopens.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, we always appreciate you listening to Oz's

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Speaker 1: want to hop in and share what was an interesting

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Speaker 1: event today with Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to Alsto