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Speaker 2: They have defensive backs everywhere. And one of Andy's great

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Speaker 2: Man, that's the job, that's the role. And I appreciate

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Speaker 2: the trigger, which I understand because when you're a hedge

434
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Speaker 2: fund manager, when you own a company like it's not

435
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 2: quite the same of the buzz the way people talk

436
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 2: about you when you run a sports team, and specifically

437
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 2: the NFL the biggest sport in America, So the ownership

438
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 2: thing man is always going to sink certain organizations and

439
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: help other ones thrive. A couple other things around the NFL.

440
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 2: I wanted to hit on a little like Russell Wilson.

441
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 2: It's it's a little different. Obviously. One thing I'll say

442
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 2: about Russell it's not like he's a bad guy. I

443
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,719
Speaker 2: think he's a little corny. I think, you know, some

444
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: of his positive stuff's a little much for me, But

445
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 2: he is a positive human being.

446
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Speaker 1: Like Deshaun Watson.

447
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: I think anyone with a brain's got a giant red

448
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 2: flag on that guy. But just from a football standpoint,

449
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 2: when I trade three ones and I give you two

450
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million dollars, I need you to do

451
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 2: a couple things. First and foremost obviously be a good player.

452
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 2: But to be a good player, I need you on

453
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 2: the field in this contract. Last year was an utter disaster.

454
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: Suspended was terrible.

455
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Speaker 1: At the end of the season.

456
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Speaker 2: Now he's injured, and I'm not blaming him for getting injured.

457
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: Like no player in the history of sports. I mean,

458
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: maybe there's been a couple that, like, didn't want to smoke,

459
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: but ninety nine point nine percent of players who are

460
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 2: hurt don't want to be hurt. But the problem is,

461
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 2: once you're hurt and I'm paying you a lot, I

462
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 2: am depending on you, and you derail my season. So

463
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: now a couple of weeks ago, DeShawn was getting ready

464
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Speaker 2: for a game, game time decision, couldn't play, gets a

465
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: bye week, and now basically he's ruled out on Thursday.

466
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Speaker 1: It's a major problem for the Browns. I mean, it

467
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: just is.

468
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 2: They're not going to the playoffs having some you know,

469
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 2: rotation of PJ. Walker and dtr Now would they beat

470
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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers if DeShawn was playing probably not.

471
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Speaker 2: It'd be a tough game, but they got no chance

472
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Speaker 2: when they were rolling out PJ.

473
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Speaker 1: Walker.

474
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Speaker 2: So two weeks ago, lose to the Ravens because you're

475
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Speaker 2: rolled out dtr this week. If you roll out PJ. Walker,

476
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 2: which you know, I don't really blame you, Like, what

477
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 2: are your other options? You can't roll out the rookie

478
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 2: when he looked like that a couple of weeks ago,

479
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Speaker 2: You're gonna lose again.

480
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Speaker 1: So a little like.

481
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson huge trade, it just ain't working. Based on

482
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Speaker 2: the evidence so far, both of them have been a

483
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Speaker 2: major disaster. One game that's kind of fascinating to me

484
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: is this Lion's Tampa game, because often when a guy

485
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: is drafted really high and then goes through really rough times,

486
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: they usually just become kind of blah, right.

487
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Speaker 1: They usually become like a Carson Wentz end up out

488
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Speaker 1: of the league, maybe a Mariota become like a backup

489
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: average player Jared Goff and I think I was listening

490
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: to Rosillo's podcast in the last couple of weeks.

491
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Speaker 2: Is really an outlier. You usually don't see a guy

492
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Speaker 2: go to another team. A guy who had success then

493
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Speaker 2: go to another team. Is the number one overall pick

494
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Speaker 2: after basically being discarded and then play well again.

495
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Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen. Now Baker mayfield situation is a

496
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Speaker 1: little different.

497
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Speaker 2: But listen one of Collins one of his takes that

498
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Speaker 2: I thought was the most outrageous, and me and him

499
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Speaker 2: had it out talked about it. I think before the

500
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Speaker 2: season he thought Baker Mayfield should retire and because it

501
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: would like hurt his brand going into college football or

502
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Speaker 2: just start his, you know, college football media career. And

503
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: my take was, look at RG three is all over TV.

504
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: You can fail so hard in the NFL. It does

505
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: not carry Matt Lionert, Brady Quinn. I mean, they're on

506
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: Fox noon kickoff. It does not matter what you do

507
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: in the NFL. But I'll be honest, I didn't expect

508
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Speaker 2: Baker to be any good. I expected this season to

509
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Speaker 2: be a disaster. I didn't think he should retire because

510
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Speaker 2: you make four million dollars. Is more fun playing than

511
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Speaker 2: even working in the media. Do not stop playing until

512
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 2: they force you to stop playing, make them take away

513
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Speaker 2: your helmet and your pads.

514
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Speaker 1: But he's been pretty good.

515
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Speaker 2: He really has, so the Jared Goff thing clearly even

516
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Speaker 2: by the end he was a better player than that,

517
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Speaker 2: but I didn't expect him to become like Jared Goff's

518
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: better right now than Dak Prescott. Right he's a better

519
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: player than Kirk Cousins, like Jared Goff currently is the

520
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: best player of that second tier. Hell, you take Jared

521
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: Goff over like clearly Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson, like

522
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 2: Jared Goff's a very very solid player, and Baker can

523
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Speaker 2: really just have one of those years where it's like

524
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: got Baker just helped the Bucks go nine to eight

525
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: and make a wild card spot, and that's something not

526
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Speaker 2: a lot of people saw coming. And I would say

527
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: Bakers had kind of a bounce back since Cleveland when

528
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 2: you think about it, right, got run out of town,

529
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: ended up going to the Rams, who clearly McVeigh and

530
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: those guys really enjoyed their.

531
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Speaker 1: Time around him. Had that great win.

532
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Speaker 2: Was it Thursday night or Monday night football against the

533
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Speaker 2: Raiders one of my favorite games of all time and

534
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: just it was just very enjoyable to watch, and props

535
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Speaker 2: to Baker for battling it out.

536
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Speaker 1: Before we get into the draft, watch one other game. Listen.

537
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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for him because I think the story is

538
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: fantastic if the Jets can kind of get back in

539
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: the mix, but it's an awful.

540
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Speaker 2: Matchup this weekend against the Eagles. I was talking to

541
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Speaker 2: a guy on the Jets staff, like earlier this year,

542
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: he said, the problem once Rogers went out is their

543
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: team is really built to have a lead. I've mentioned

544
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: this on Sunday's Nights with Colin Like. They're meant to

545
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: pass rush. Their defense is not the two thousand Ravens.

546
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: They're not built like Tony, Sarahgusa and Sam Adams in

547
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: the middle. They're not built to get leaned on. They're

548
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: really built to be up seventeen to seven and knowing

549
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: you have to pass and unlease their pass rushers and

550
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: let their secondary cover right and then run the ball

551
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: and control the clock. That's how they're built. Well, the

552
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 2: Eagles are the opposite. They obviously can throw the ball,

553
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: they have star wide receivers. But to me, the game

554
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: plan if you're the Eagles, run the ball down their

555
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: fucking throat and shove them around. So I know last

556
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: week was a positive moment for the Jets. Cool moment

557
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: given Nathaniel Hackett the game ball in the locker room.

558
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Speaker 1: That was fun. I mean there's no way around it.

559
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: That was an enjoyable visual to see on all of

560
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Speaker 2: our social media platforms.

561
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Speaker 1: It was cool. I listen.

562
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Speaker 2: I was glued to Jets Broncos for some reason. I

563
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: don't really like watching them. I like talking about the

564
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: Patriots situation and Belichick and where's he gonna go? And

565
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: someone in my DMS like Middlecough, you got it all

566
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: wrong on Belichick.

567
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: Look at these last five years as an utter disaster.

568
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: Who would want him? There are a lot of teams

569
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 1: that would want Belichick. You're only getting him for three

570
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: or four years. It would bring a lot of positive

571
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: momentum to your franchise. He's Bill freaking Belichick. It doesn't

572
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: mean it's gonna work. It's no different Phil Jackson at

573
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: the end with the Knicks. Having a guy like that

574
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: with your franchise, especially if you're a down and out franchise.

575
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Speaker 1: If you told me Washington hired Belichick, like I'm sorry,

576
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: or the Bears hired Belichick, I'm sorry, that's a positive.

577
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: It just doesn't mean it's a lot to work. Doesn't

578
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: mean he's gonna win the super Bowl, but teams would

579
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: want him. I promise you that. But I do think

580
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: that I do think the Eagles are going to be

581
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: a major, major.

582
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: Problem for the Jets and all this positive momentum a

583
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: little bit like Week one when they beat the Bills,

584
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you look up the next week

585
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: and you're like, God, they're in trouble. Before we dive

586
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: into the Guinness Bull take of the week, I do

587
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: think it's very very clear there is a top two

588
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: in college football when it comes to quarterbacks. So when

589
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: we talk about Denver, when we talk about Chicago, Caleb

590
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: and Drake May are on their own tier. A lot

591
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: of I would say every NFL team, I can't say

592
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: every NFL team, but I would guess close to ninety

593
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: ninety five percent would have Caleb number one. But I

594
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: think Drake May is pretty close number two. And I

595
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: think Drake May is viewed as a big time prospect.

596
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: I think Drake May is viewed if you just talked

597
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: to an average you know, if I just got ten

598
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: college scouting directors on the phone, I would imagine eight

599
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: of them would say, hell, maybe ten of them would

600
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: say Drake May would have been the number one pick

601
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: in last year's draft. When Bryce CJ and then Nanthy

602
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: Richardson went one, two and four. So Drake May is

603
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: viewed as a high end NFL prospect. And I think

604
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: the question is who's going to be the third guy?

605
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: And come Saturday at twelve thirty in Seattle, Washington, I

606
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: think there's a lot on the line for bow Knicks

607
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: and Michael Penix. Both these two teams are five and zero.

608
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: Whoever wins this game is going to be viewed as,

609
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: I mean a borderline lock playoff team. Even though they

610
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: might end up playing each other again, they still have

611
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: other tough games. But bo Knicks is a fit. Both

612
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: of them are fantastic stories. Transferred from Auburn, transferred from Indiana. Obviously,

613
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: bo Knicks really underachieved, was part of a disaster program.

614
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: Pennis got injured. But these guys right now, I just

615
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: looked at their stats to day, I knew they were good.

616
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: Bo Nicks has fifteen touchdowns on one pick. Michael Penick

617
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: has sixteen touchdowns and two picks. I mean they combined

618
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: for thirty one touchdowns and three interceptions. These guys have dominated.

619
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: And I was told last year by a scout that

620
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: he thought that bo Knicks would have been a fringe

621
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: first rounder had he come out. Obviously with nil, Oregon

622
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: paid him a lot to come back. Same thing with

623
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix, not that he would have been viewed coming

624
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: out after the one season as high of a prospectus

625
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: Bow because he has some questions with his knee in

626
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: terms of he's torn his ACL I think multiple times.

627
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: But when you've put two years together, and let's say

628
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: Penis wins this game, Washington goes on to a playoff,

629
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Speaker 2: become a playoff team, wins the Pac twelve, I mean

630
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: I think both these guys could go in the top ten, right,

631
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: especially if Penix's knee checks out. Which Listen, it's weird

632
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: because you can watch a player play all year long

633
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: on Saturdays and then then fail a physical and you're like, well,

634
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: I watched this guy kick everyone's ass.

635
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Listen.

636
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 2: I don't pretend to be some medical professional, but this

637
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: game is gonna be awesome. And if you like college football,

638
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: even if you live in the Northeast, I would watch

639
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: this thing. You have elite offensive players everywhere. Washington is

640
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: three wide receivers, multiple wide receivers.

641
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: I think some.

642
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: People think they have one of the best wide receivers

643
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: in the country behind Marvin Harrison Junior. Both of them

644
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: have NFL players on defense, Dan Lanning, who has been

645
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: awesome for Oregon. He really has Kirby's right hand man.

646
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Speaker 1: They hired him. I thought it was kind of a weird,

647
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: bold choice, but it's it's worked. And Kaylin Dubor a

648
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: Fresno State guy. Jeff Tedford guy is a fucking stud

649
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: and you win games like this. If things ever got weird,

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Speaker 1: I can see it coming from a mile away. A

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Speaker 1: goes to the playoff next year, they make some noise

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00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: in the Big Ten, things go weird with Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: Like keep an eye on Kaylin Duboor, because that guy's

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00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: got big time, Big ten job offer written all over.

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00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: Now Washington's in the Big ten two they could pay

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Speaker 1: him eighty ninety million dollars.

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Speaker 2: But both these two guys feel like they're they're really

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Speaker 2: rolling right now. So as a Pac twelve homer, as

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Speaker 2: someone it's sad to see it go, But as a

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Speaker 2: gonna enjoy this week because I can't wait to watch

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Speaker 2: Bo Nicks and Michael Pennix play on Saturday. Bold Take

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Speaker 1: Actually, this is difficult, and I've been close a couple

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Speaker 1: times on some underdog picks. Last week I was not close.

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Speaker 2: I took Georgia against Kentucky after the game Mark stoops

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not gonna stop doing that forever, but this

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Speaker 1: you know, do I really think the Panthers are gonna

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Speaker 1: beat the Dolphins? I don't do I really think the

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Speaker 1: Giants and Tyrod Taylor are gonna upset the Bills in Buffalo?

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Speaker 1: Can't see it. The Browns with PJ Walker gonna beat

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, no chance.

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Speaker 2: They were not even a crazy college game to pick.

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Speaker 2: So I went this, I'm going a little big picture football,

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Speaker 2: and here's my big picture. I think someone I don't

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Speaker 2: a general manager. Doubtful it's a head coach, but you

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00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: never know. Once you get in the middle of October

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00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,800
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Speaker 2: of money in the line. Remember right around this time

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Speaker 2: last year, Matt Ruhle got fired. Someone's getting fired, and

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00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: more than likely it'll be an offensive or defensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: with one of these crappy teams. A curve ball could

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Speaker 2: But my bold take of the week someone in the

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Speaker 3: Bro Yeah, that was. It was classic Ravens Steelers Steelers game.

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Speaker 3: That Yeah, the Steelers look lost. Their Their offense is

744
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: still so bad. They have one play, one play and

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00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: it's throw it to George Pickens up the sideline, Like

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00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 3: try using that guy in the middle of the field too,

747
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: he's amazing. They got a touchdown out of it, and

748
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: they got a couple other big plays.

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00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was. There was a block punt.

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00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: Then then you're like, oh, we we didn't recover it,

751
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: but we got a safety.

752
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: We're we're inside the number.

753
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: We're getting the ball back, just need a first down

754
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: or punt it and then we're good. They fumble the punt,

755
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: I mean they fumble the kickoff after the safety pops

756
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: right into a Raven's hand.

757
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 4: And you say we're done. It's over.

758
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: And then Lamar throws a horrific pick in the end

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00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: zone on an underthrown fade were out and all the

760
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: sudden you're like, whoa, we're back. Then you're like, that's

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00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 3: still the Steelers' offense and then they hit a bomb

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Speaker 3: down the sidelines.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was. That felt more like a.

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Speaker 3: You know, a crazy college game in an NFL game

765
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: with all of the blunders that drops. It was like

766
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: a midweek Mac game. But yeah, that was amazing. But

767
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: I yeah, the story for me of the weekend was

768
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: was whiffing on Dallas and New England learned a lot

769
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: about both. I mean we said it last week. If

770
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: New England can't rally there in that spot after you know,

771
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 3: get losing thirty eight to three, Well guess what now

772
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: it's seventy two to three after the past two weeks.

773
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: Special teams are a mess. Their wide receivers don't run

774
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 3: any routes, there's no pass protection. Matt Jones looks broken.

775
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: He's thrown off his back foot. It's fine. I mean,

776
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: he looks like he's regressed. He's never been great, but

777
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: he's looked like he's he's regressed somehow, and that that

778
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: team is an absolute mess they have and it's Bill's

779
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: definitely lost his fastball. I mean, and look he said

780
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: this week we've got to start over. You're starting over

781
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 3: and it's week week six. Uh, And he's got all these

782
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: guys like he's got all these guys on his staff,

783
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: like we've everyone blamed Patricia last year.

784
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: Posuially wasn't the problem.

785
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: But he's got all these guys on his staff, like

786
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 3: Troy Brown as the wide receiver coach, you know, droving

787
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: Mayo like it feels more just like, hey, he's just

788
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 3: been hiring is like old players on his staff. And

789
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 3: that was such an embarrassing loss, his two worst losses

790
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: of his career in back to back weeks. Speaks volumes,

791
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: and then learned a lot about Dallas. Wasn't shocked that

792
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: San Fran won. It was in the way that they won.

793
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: And Dallas just had such a bad game plan and

794
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: I think correct the San Francisco offensive line, but how

795
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: they were trying to bring pressure like you don't get

796
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: pressure on party, He's give him destroyed, which is exactly

797
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: what happened. And the San Francis Stan Fran offensive line

798
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: held up well. But I you know, I went into

799
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: the week thinking, all right, Dallas, well, I'll give them

800
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: an excuse on that Arizona gain. They had injuries and

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00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: an NFL team's gonna have one or two games where

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00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: you just it's just an off week. But then you see,

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Speaker 3: you know, Arizona's been getting crushed ever since they crushed

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Speaker 3: New England. And then I'm watching early in the day,

805
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: I'm watching the Saints beat doing the thirty four nothing,

806
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: So I'm like, all right, maybe that didn't mean as

807
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: much and so so coming but coming into the weekend,

808
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 3: I was like, Dallas is one of the one of

809
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 3: the main contenders in the NFC.

810
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 4: I don't see it. I don't.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously they could. They're gonna get into the

812
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 3: playoffs most likely, and you know, it's football, you're gonna

813
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: have a chance. But I just don't think that they

814
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: have the same ceiling as the Eagles and especially the

815
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Speaker 3: forty nine ers. So I now have power to as

816
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 3: the best team in football, surpassing the Bills and Chiefs.

817
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: The it's a lot of it's play calling. The play

818
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: call is really bad. And then Dak just I'm getting

819
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 3: similar vibes to Russell Wilson. So once Russell Wilson got

820
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: older and couldn't move around right, he wasn't the same quarterback.

821
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: He would just improvise by time, make plays downfield. Now

822
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: Dak's not, you know, oh he's too old. But since

823
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: that injury that he had, that horrific injury when he

824
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,520
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825
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: and he's just not the same guy as a pure

826
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: pocket passer and that limits his upside. So yeah, that

827
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: was a really dominant win by San Francisco. Dallas hype

828
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: that game up local media all week. This is all

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Speaker 3: we listened a team we lost to past two postseasons

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00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: and to get humiliated, that's that speaks volumes to where

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Speaker 3: I think the Dallas team can go this year. I

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Speaker 3: know it's only one game, but it's very telling. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: San Frad does it again. It's a shame that there

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Speaker 3: think is the best in the league. It's a shame

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Speaker 3: we're gonna get, not Deshaun what we're probably gonna get PJ.

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Speaker 4: Walker. But uh, very very impressed by San Francisco and

839
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 4: underwhelmed by both Dallas and New England. Bad calls there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, it's why Cousin's a better player in

841
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott right now, because he's never been predicated on

842
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: moving like he's his game.

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00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: He's a pocket quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got flaws and he's got limitations, and he's

845
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Speaker 2: never gonna be viewed as a top six seven guy.

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Speaker 2: But you know, in that eight to twelve range, he's

847
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: just a better player because Dak Prescott is not as

848
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Speaker 2: good in the pocket, and like you said, he cannot move.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is I understand the cousins and I

850
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852
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Speaker 1: To extend him costs a lot limiture ability, just kind

853
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Speaker 1: of reset. I understand that. I've always thought, like, you know,

854
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: what is Dallas gonna do? But I kind of understand

855
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Speaker 1: it because he's making forty a year, so he's not

856
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: It's not like you can pay Dak twenty seven.

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00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: You're like, well, you're not quite as good. He's gonna

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00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: fuck that I can't not that, you know. And ultimately

860
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,440
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861
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: the season started in the Eagles, but it's pretty clear

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00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: it's him, you know. I mean, the rest of their

863
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: team has issues, and Mike McCarthy is not you know,

864
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: Vince Lombardi here, But if that's your quarterback, play like

865
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 2: Dante Whitner, who does local TV in San Francisco said

866
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: it after the game, like he sucks like that at

867
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: the highest level, like that that gets you beat every

868
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: time against you know, a Super Bowl contender, And that's

869
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: ultimately the way Dallas was talked about. But then you

870
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: look back, what was their downfall the last two years

871
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: of the forty nine ers him picks interceptions and you

872
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: cannot like, listen, we can nitpick Purdy and there's still

873
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: a lot to be determined, but if your quarterback is

874
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: not mahomes Ra Allen, you can't overcome playing elite teams

875
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: and throwing a pick.

876
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: In a playoff game. And that's essentially what Sunday Night

877
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: was right. It was a playoff level game and he

878
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: threw three now the third one whatever, but like, what

879
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: the fuck some of those passes, I mean, it was

880
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: it was crazy.

881
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's And the other thing is that speaking of

882
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: his mobility, because he used to be he used to

883
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: be able to extend drives with his legs. And there

884
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: was a game against Arizona, you know, and like the

885
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: read option game he had. They were near the goal

886
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: line and they were running a read option and he

887
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: put the ball in Pollard's stomach and had a chance

888
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: to if he pulls it, it's a third out. He's

889
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: clear path running in his one you know safety that's

890
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: gonna come up and hit him. He just kept it

891
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: in his shoulder gets tackled, So he just doesn't want

892
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: to risk injuries.

893
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 4: Just hesitant after that horrific injury.

894
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's just not going to be able to

895
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: get it done from the pocket, especially with that play calling.

896
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: It's just really poor. And it was just a huge

897
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: coaching mismatch at the end of the day on both ends.

898
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, for the NFC, it's here. I asked an

899
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 3: answered question before we get started up to forty nine

900
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 3: ers schedule.

901
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 4: Not only do I have them.

902
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 3: Power rated as the best team in the NFL right now,

903
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: they're also starting to get schedule breaks.

904
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: So you know you missed who they who? Did they

905
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: miss it?

906
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean, well the quarterbacks for this week? I way.

907
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm almost positive be PJ. Walker, who wasn't

908
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 3: even on the roster yesterday.

909
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: He's not beating the forty nine ers.

910
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean.

911
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 3: The Browns have to win that game three nothing, and

912
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: they got to hope that there's like sixty mile an

913
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: hour wins, not thirty. But then you're gonna play the

914
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: Vikings without Jefferson the next week. So you look at

915
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 3: their their schedule and if you had a guess, where

916
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: where does the are we starting to talk about Niners undefeated.

917
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Or they do have a curveball in there.

918
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: Of obviously the Eagle game is going to be you know,

919
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: what would you guess, assuming both teams relatively healthy, is

920
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: Eagles are favoring that game by.

921
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah, one, one and a half.

922
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: So that that's that's a losable game. That's a big

923
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: time game. And the other game that is tricky is

924
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: they play Seattle short week Thanksgiving night, you know, just

925
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: late season road game, short week. That that that.

926
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: That to me is just a weird spot. Like you

927
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: could go sixteen and one if you have an off week,

928
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: maybe you have some injuries that week, right, maybe a

929
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: guy that could play Sunday.

930
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: Can't quite play Thursday. That's just a you know, that

931
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: place be rocking if Seattle's good. I would say that

932
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: in the Eagle game. Yeah, And I would say this.

933
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: The other The other thing is, now granted it was

934
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, the Niners have historically under Kyle lost some

935
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: random games, right, like an Atlanta Falcon game obviously a

936
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: couple years ago with Trey Lance.

937
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: The opener just bears who you just but it's definitely

938
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: on the table. I would say they get to ten

939
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 2: and zero, it's it's one.

940
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, brown feels still a long way to go at

941
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: Browns Vikings. I would have thought probably maybe trip up

942
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: one of them. But now new Jefferson and no quarterback, Uh,

943
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: that gets a lot easier.

944
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 4: The Eagles.

945
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 3: I think they beat the Eagles, They're gonna have revenge.

946
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: They're gonna be waiting for that game. They have extra

947
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: rest for that game too, which makes that trip to

948
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: Seattle is definitely I circled because that's a short week.

949
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: You have the Eagles game on death like are you

950
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 3: looking ahead a little bit? But you know, even at

951
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: the Jags that comes after a bye.

952
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: Where where's the Ravens game at home?

953
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 4: Yeah? The Ravens on Christmas.

954
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: They're always you know, they're one of the feistiest underdogs

955
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: in the NFL.

956
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: And if they remember the year that the forty nine

957
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: ers made the Super Bowl. Now that Ravens team was

958
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: obviously healthier and better. I think Lamar won the MVP

959
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: that year. But in the rain he kind of sliced

960
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: and diced them. You remember that game.

961
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was after thanks It was a couple days

962
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving.

963
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: Horrible weather game, and then yeah, the two that I

964
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: had circled. Yeah, yeah, at Seattle. Obviously it's gonna be tricky.

965
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: I think they beat the Eagles. I think they get

966
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: the next two Bengals at home and the Ravens at home.

967
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 4: I know both those games are at home.

968
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: But if Burrow's looking healthier, and you know, he's one

969
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: of the best quarterbacks the NFL, if that offense is humming,

970
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: they can beat anybody on any field. But yeah, maybe

971
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: we're that might be a topic of discussion if they.

972
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was kind of like last year

973
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: once they got to like eight nine and oh, everyone

974
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: was like, look at the Eagles schedule and they cruised

975
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: fourteen and three. It feels like the Niners worst case

976
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 2: scenario are kind of doing that, and honestly, they feel

977
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: closer to like a.

978
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: Fifteen and two team then they do thirteen fourteen win

979
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: teams and yeah, that record.

980
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: Would you rather lose a game, yeah than have the undefeated,

981
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: because you go undefeated. Anything less than a Super Bowl

982
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 2: is a complete failure.

983
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: It just this. It's like the year the Warriors won

984
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: seventy three games. Anything less than the championship, you'll always

985
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: be known as the team that didn't get it done.

986
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: The Patriots, so sixteen and oh, it's just you have

987
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: to win the championship or else it's a failure.

988
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

989
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: I mean, if I'm a fan or on the team,

990
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 3: like there's h you want to go undefeated, just you'd

991
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: be in the history books. But if I'm the if

992
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 3: I'm a coach, or just like look objectively for the

993
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 3: chances of a team winning the Super Bowl.

994
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 4: You know, I bet if you ask.

995
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: Like Kyle Shanahan, like candidly, and you ask most good coaches,

996
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: they probably want your your team to lose once you know,

997
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: it's not college where a loss could doom you because

998
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 3: you want to you want at least one game during

999
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: the season where you can say, all right, this is

1000
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: what we need to clean up to get through to

1001
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: your team, because if you just keep winning, you guys

1002
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 3: are like who cares?

1003
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: Why don't have to really listen to you? But like

1004
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 4: having a game where it's like, all right, let's refocus.

1005
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 3: You know, we got to clean these things up and

1006
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: it kind of helps you clean those little things up

1007
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: that might get overlooked. If you just keep beating teams

1008
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: throughout the season, and you know you put a bigger

1009
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: target on your back, you have. You add so much

1010
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: added pressure in the in the playoffs, so objectively, like

1011
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 3: just for a team's chances, I think they'd be better

1012
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: off losing.

1013
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: Least honestly if you could choose to me, you want

1014
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: to beat all the teams obviously all the you know,

1015
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: the Eagles, but then the other teams in the other

1016
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: conference that you never know, right, like the Ravens, the Bengals,

1017
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 2: like you'd want to win them. You'd honestly rather drop

1018
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: like an Arizona or like in a couple of weeks

1019
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: at Minnesota. It's just kind of an irrelevant game that

1020
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: you can just always look back on.

1021
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: Why we always got to stay focused.

1022
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 2: I think you'd circle like you wouldn't want to lose

1023
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: to Seattle, because shit, you might play Seattle in the

1024
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: first round to stay a round, So you would want

1025
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: to lose to a team who's destined to draft in.

1026
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: The top ten.

1027
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 4: I think agree.

1028
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, let's before we dive into some of the picks.

1029
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: Two College games that you know, I think that Niners

1030
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: Cowboy game is kind of collegiate where it's like, this

1031
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: is going to be a big time game. Then all

1032
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're sitting on the couch and you're like,

1033
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: this is not a close game. And when you look

1034
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: at Oregon and Washington feels a lot light Niners Cowboy like, fuck,

1035
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: this thing's gonna be a warzone. The Oregon's three point favorite.

1036
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: It's very like an NFL line, you know, historic rivals,

1037
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: geographical rivals, conference rivals going together now to the Big Ten.

1038
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: Whoever wins this game is gonna be on the fast track.

1039
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you could argue whoever.

1040
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: If Oregon were to win this game, like you could

1041
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: argue they're the best team in the country. If Washington

1042
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: were to win this game, they're definitely a title contender.

1043
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if that you'd quite put them one

1044
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: based on their schedule, but it would be very, very impressive.

1045
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: And then USC Notre Dame. I had a couple buddies

1046
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: as the hype started on Hartman that said, based on

1047
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: last year, they had them great. NFL guys had him

1048
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: as a third day guy, and they're like, I'm not

1049
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: gonna buy the hype. They're playing nobody. Let's wait till

1050
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: he play some better teams. And it's been a little

1051
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: bit of a struggle for him. Not that he's a

1052
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: bad player. He made some really nice passes last week.

1053
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: But I definitely the hype train has slowed down a

1054
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: little bit.

1055
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: And you know, Marcus Freeman, I would say the better

1056
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: teams they played kind of get and exposed here a

1057
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: little bit.

1058
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: But that line's a little weird to me. And I

1059
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: know USC's defense is off, but USC is an underdog now.

1060
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: Part of may just be the defense.

1061
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: Either one of these games stand out to you, something

1062
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: that's off with the line or a team you like.

1063
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: Of these four teams, now, Notre Dame's out of it

1064
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: now right they're not a playoff team, but these other

1065
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: three teams obviously don't just have playoff hopes. I mean,

1066
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: it's weird calling USC a national title contender, but if

1067
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: you ask Lincoln Riley, he probably thinks they are.

1068
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you have Camel Williams in that offense.

1069
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: If they get they have I think that they're at

1070
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 3: least in the group that could win it potentially. I

1071
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: don't think that they're ultimately going to get there. But

1072
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 3: the and I actually think I don't know if that

1073
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: you know, because the collegewell playoff there's the rankings is

1074
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: human bias.

1075
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 4: But I feel like either if USC.

1076
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: Or Oregon or Washington loses this weekend, they shouldn't necessarily

1077
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: be eliminated from the collegi club.

1078
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: Right.

1079
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: It's like an SEC team that loses in the pass,

1080
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: like when the SEC is so strong, you know, like

1081
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: I don't think necessarily a one loss and a good

1082
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: loss one loss Pac twelve champion So say like Oregon

1083
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: loses and then beats Washington again, uh in the PAC

1084
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: twelve championship, I don't think that they should be limited

1085
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 3: the PAC twelve, who is arguably the best conference in

1086
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: football this year, but it yeah, actually.

1087
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: But my question on my question on that, because Oklahoma

1088
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: and Texas is shaping up for that, what what game

1089
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: do you put more value on? Are they both independently

1090
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: the same or does the second game ultimately get more value?

1091
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: Right?

1092
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that you tend to give

1093
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 3: the second game more value on a neutral field depends

1094
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: on if you know, if the road team on the first.

1095
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: But the committee always values a conference champion too, and

1096
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: that it's you know, it's the most recent win. So

1097
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 3: there's recncy bias too, So you know you're not gonna

1098
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: if the team split, You're most likely going to take

1099
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: the team that won the conference championship and won the

1100
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 3: most recent game on a neutral field, all else being equal.

1101
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: But when it comes to these two games, yeah, look,

1102
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: Notre Dame it's there. They're a mess. You watch them

1103
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: the past two weeks and it speaks to Ohio State

1104
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: is kind of a mess too, because Notre Dame should

1105
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 3: have beat them. But they go to Duke, they should

1106
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 3: have lost the Duke. They get blown out by they

1107
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: get blown out by Louisville. Here's the thing, Like their

1108
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 3: schedule has been horrible. They haven't had a buy yet.

1109
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: They start off in Ireland. They're going to play their

1110
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 3: fourth straight big game, four straight primetime game, four straight

1111
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: game against a ranked opponent. I think it's like a

1112
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: fourth straight primetime game in four weeks the first time

1113
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: they think of program history. You saw that last week.

1114
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: There was just fatigue, like it's hard to get up.

1115
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 3: You saw it with Colorado a couple of times already

1116
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: this year. It's hard to get up. There every week

1117
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 3: like this, so that they were fatigued. But the offense,

1118
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: Gerard Parker I think is a horrible off ex coordinator,

1119
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 3: and teams have just started loading the box. That's that's

1120
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: what Duke, That's what Elco did at Duke, and then

1121
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: that's what louisvill did last year. Put nine in the

1122
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 3: box to try to throw. It will pressure receivers who

1123
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 3: are bad and hurt and has to be able to adjust.

1124
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 4: And then last week they made this acidine decision to

1125
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 4: rotate offensive linemen the entire game.

1126
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know who came up with that,

1127
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 3: but they said they were they so they were rotating,

1128
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: got their guards and centers and they got they were

1129
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 3: just they played eight offensive linemen total and they were

1130
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 3: rotating him in and out and it was alleged disasterrous

1131
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 3: results in five turnovers.

1132
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 4: So their offense is a mess right now.

1133
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,479
Speaker 3: The play cloning is bad, the wide receivers aren't great,

1134
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 3: and the teams are loading the box, which was you know,

1135
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: the strength of their team, and Hartman he only could

1136
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: do so much. So the question is though number one

1137
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 3: can not name get up again this week like it's

1138
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 3: another it.

1139
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: Isn't home. It'll be a good atmosphere.

1140
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: You might get some weather which would help Notre d

1141
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 3: aim and their name secondary has been very good.

1142
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 4: US he's run dy has been really bad.

1143
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 3: I think that some of it their defense is really bad,

1144
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 3: but that you know, a lot some of it's like

1145
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 3: they just they kind of just fuck around with some

1146
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: of these bad teams and they and they just can't

1147
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: get stops like last week last year that he was

1148
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: really bad. Dayloaded the box and stopped Notre Dame's rushing attack.

1149
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: So I assume they're going to do that here, load

1150
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: the box and then man up on the outside. So yeah,

1151
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: I kind of like USC as a dog, even though

1152
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 3: I hate their defense. There's so much wrong with this

1153
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: Notre Dame offense right now, and then you kind of

1154
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: just trust Caleb Williams to get over the finish line.

1155
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: This Notre Dame offense isn't an offense right now that

1156
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 3: is going to fully exploit the USC defense like some

1157
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 3: of the teams in the Pac twelve. I think will

1158
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 3: later on this season and then in Washington Oregon should

1159
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: be a really good game.

1160
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean last year was I on one quick thing

1161
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: stucky on Notre Dame I mean, I know he got

1162
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: some positive momentum last.

1163
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: Year after he lost I mean, he could have easily

1164
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: lost a cow he lost to Marshall, and he lost

1165
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: one other awful game I forget off the top of

1166
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: my head, but he was, you know, and he kind

1167
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: of got the train back on the tracks. You start

1168
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: losing three four games. I mean, I'm not saying he's

1169
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: gonna get fired this year, but he would immediately be like,

1170
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: this could be a three and done type deal for

1171
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman. You know their expectations. It gets a little

1172
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: easier when they go to twelve teams. But you just

1173
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,959
Speaker 2: can't go from Brian Kelly who was winning eleven twelve

1174
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 2: games every year to start winning eight and nine, Like

1175
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: that's just not going to be tolerated.

1176
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: It just won't. So he's he needs a win like

1177
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: this to just kind of fucking settle the C's.

1178
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 4: Yep, I agree.

1179
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 3: I mean, the margins are thin when you're a coach

1180
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: like I mean, but they've they've not been The coaching

1181
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 3: has been bad.

1182
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 4: The past couple of weeks, they've been solved.

1183
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 3: The offensive coordinator higher I didn't like the Naradic would

1184
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: be different than they've beat Ohio State and they should

1185
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 3: have but yeah, you're right, like, and they still think

1186
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: they go to Clemson. The rest of his schedule's pretty

1187
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 3: easy after this, except for that at Clemson game. But yeah,

1188
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: if they go eight and four, I think it's then

1189
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 3: hot seat next year.

1190
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, they run the table. He's fine.

1191
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, because that would include wins against

1192
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 3: USC and the Yeah, and then you should have beat

1193
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 3: Ohio State. But yeah, eight and four, like nine and three,

1194
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: I think it's okay, let's let's see what we're doing

1195
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 3: next year. Eight and four its tot seat time. So yeah,

1196
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: it's a big game for Freeman for sure. And then

1197
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: in regards to the Washington game, last year was thirty

1198
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: seven thirty four nixt to Washington won in Eugene. Nick's

1199
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 3: got hurt and his backup came in, wasn't good towards

1200
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 3: the end, and then tried to come back as an

1201
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: awesome game back and forth.

1202
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 4: I I kind of like the under It's scary as hell.

1203
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: These are two of the best offenses in college football,

1204
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: but there could be some weather here in Seattle, and

1205
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: Washington doesn't play fast. Kennick's been one of the best

1206
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the country. He's got three great receivers. We'll

1207
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: see it on the health of a Donsay and McMillan,

1208
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: Whoduna got banged up last week. McMillan's been out. I

1209
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 3: think that they're both probably gonna play. But both these

1210
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 3: defenses are a lot better than last year. And this

1211
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: is like a really hyped game. I think both teams

1212
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 3: are gonna be, you know, kind of a little bit

1213
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 3: more conservative early on. The Oregon defense is just much

1214
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 3: better than it was last year. Dan Landing finally has

1215
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 3: some pieces to do what he wants to do, play

1216
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: more multiple you know, they're actually getting a pass rush

1217
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 3: this year. So I then on the other side, I

1218
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: think Oregon can run on Washington. Washington's defense has a

1219
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 3: couple of guys they could be getting back too, leaves

1220
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 3: really important to the d line. But I think Oregon

1221
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 3: can methodically run the ball, and you know that's gonna

1222
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 3: churn up clock, especially with the new clock rules. So

1223
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: sixty eight, that's a super high total in a big game.

1224
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: You get over that. You need like everything to go right.

1225
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't have like in Washington's offense going

1226
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 3: up against a really good d they can, Yeah, their

1227
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: office isn't great in the red zones.

1228
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 4: They can't really run the ball.

1229
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 3: It's a couple of field goals here and there, a

1230
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: roadbow knicks, you know, interception the red zone your toast,

1231
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 3: so kind of like the under there, I think Oregon's

1232
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: gonna win. I think the line is probably close to right,

1233
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 3: but intuition tells me that Oregon's gonna win. I think

1234
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 3: that their defense two weeks to repair with Landing has

1235
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 3: and they have the more overall talented roster. Even if

1236
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 3: Washington has Panics, the Heisman front runner and three NFL receivers,

1237
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 3: overall roster talent, Oregon has more of it, and I

1238
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: think their defense is better equipped to at least slow

1239
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: down Washington. Like Washington's gonna get its points, but stop

1240
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: stops in the red zone, throw off the timing of

1241
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: that offense with pet pressure press on the outside, then

1242
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 3: Washington does, slowing down Oregon's attack. Like all the short yardage,

1243
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 3: Oregon's excellent there and Washington's been really bad. So like

1244
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 3: all the third and one third and two's, I think

1245
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 3: Organ's gonna convert, keep their drives going, and Washington's gonna

1246
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: struggle in the red zone more and then on those

1247
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 3: short yarded situations where I think you'll get maybe a

1248
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: couple of completions or sacks. So I think it'd be

1249
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: a really good game. I think Oregon's gonna win. I

1250
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: think line's about right.

1251
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: U my bat.

1252
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna bet the under a little bit there.

1253
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 3: I'm waiting to see if it gets a sixty eight.

1254
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,680
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1268
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Speaker 2: the National Football League. I've been hammering the last couple

1269
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: of weeks, just taking a good team against a shitty team,

1270
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: and I bet against Carolina two weeks in a row.

1271
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,959
Speaker 2: A little more difficult for me to do that this week.

1272
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: I know you'll dive into it. I'm going here with

1273
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 2: it's basically just essentially a money line that the Saints

1274
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: minus one at Houston. I think the Saints are pretty good,

1275
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: especially defensively. Tough spot for rookie quarterback. I know, you know,

1276
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: everyone's kind of given Houston and C. J. Stroud kind

1277
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: of anointing them even though they just lost. I just

1278
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: like the Saints in this spot. So it's not quite

1279
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,479
Speaker 2: my philosophy of the last couple of weeks given a

1280
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 2: big favorite, But I actually think when the dust settles,

1281
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: I think the Saints still end up winning that division,

1282
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: and Houston's probably more likely to win six games than

1283
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: they are nine. So I just, you know, getting them

1284
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: minus one, I know what's on the road, easy trip

1285
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 2: for them. I like the Saints this week, Yeah.

1286
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 4: I don't mind. I think that the Texans.

1287
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 3: I had some Falcons minus one and a half last week,

1288
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 3: which is a super roller coaster. Yeah, the I think

1289
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 3: the Texans have gotten a little bit overvalued in the

1290
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 3: market due to Stroud. To start, no doubt, he's been

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Speaker 3: amazing and looks like the most NFL ready and potential,

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Speaker 3: you know, full time starter for many years to come,

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Speaker 3: of all of the rookies. But you know, this is

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: a Texans team coming into the air. Asked yourself what

1295
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 3: you thought of them before the season started. So yeah,

1296
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: this Saints defense is playing extremely well and we'll present

1297
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 3: some problems and probably cause some confusion for Stroud. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't mind that one at all.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's dive into some of your picks. Carolina A Miami.

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Speaker 2: Most people probably think I've gotta hammer the Dolphins here

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01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,919
Speaker 2: to kick the shit out of them. No, you're going

1302
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: Panthers plus thirteen. Holler at me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah this is ugly, but this is the time of

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Speaker 3: the year where you just have to bet some of

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01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: the teams that have looked so bad in the NFL.

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01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: And Panthers haven't won a game, and just to show you,

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01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 3: and look this when I when I break this one

1308
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 3: down the and because of that, I'll finish my thought.

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01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 3: Because the Panthers haven't won a game, nobody wants to

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01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: bet the Panthers. I think as of now, like ninety

1311
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 3: five percent of the vets are on the Dolphins. It's

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01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 3: on track to be the biggest public side over the

1313
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 3: past twenty years, and public sides moving all the time.

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01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 3: Public sides are actually winning out like sixty three percent.

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01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 3: But it just it illustrates to you that no one

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01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 3: wants to bet these teams. So because of that, you

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01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 3: get a couple extra points, and you know these teams,

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01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 3: you're buying them at their most possible body, which is

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01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 3: what I think is the case with the Panthers here

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01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 3: on the road. And just to illustrate that point winless

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01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: road dogs catching more than ten points in Week six

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Speaker 3: or later over the past twenty years. So these are

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01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: teams that haven't won a game. They're catching over ten.

1324
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,479
Speaker 3: No one wants to bet them twenty six and eight

1325
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 3: against the spread seventy six and a half percent. So

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Speaker 3: it just illustrates that. All it is is contextualizing. Okay,

1327
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 3: you want to buy low on these teams. This is

1328
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 3: a Dolphins defense that's still bad. If you look at

1329
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 3: success rate, the Dolphins of Panthers are actually tied for

1330
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,919
Speaker 3: the second worst success rate allowed in the NFL. They're

1331
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 3: tied exactly. So the Panthers should be able to do

1332
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 3: some things offensively. You know, their pass defense has been

1333
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 3: better than the run day, and they should get Dante

1334
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: Jackson back at corner. Last week they were playing three

1335
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 3: guys off the street in the secondary. Dante Jackson will

1336
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: return this week, which will help a little bit. And

1337
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 3: you don't have a chain running the ball, and he's

1338
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 3: just a rocket ship for the Dolphins. The Dolphins will

1339
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 3: still get their points, but I think the Panthers can.

1340
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 3: And here's the other thing. The Dolphins have the Eagles

1341
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: next week, and there comes a point with these teams

1342
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 3: who have just been rolling where you don't want to

1343
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 3: show everything every game, and so the Dolphins will be

1344
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 3: more than happy to get a big lead. All the

1345
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 3: stuff that McDaniel wants to show, there's no need to

1346
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 3: waste it also risk injury against the Panthers at home.

1347
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 3: There also gonna be some wind here, which helps the Panthers.

1348
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 3: But see in some of these spots, you've seen it

1349
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: with the Chiefs in the past, you're just not You're

1350
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 3: not rolling out the whole playbook and showing all of

1351
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 3: your advanced motion and giving teams more film on what

1352
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 3: you want to do so you could get a vanilla effort,

1353
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 3: especially after Miami goes up. Backdoor could be wide open.

1354
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 3: These are this is just a h I'm gonna I'm

1355
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 3: gonna bet it at thirteen to half. It never gets

1356
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 3: to fourteen. I'm waiting to see if he gets to fourteen.

1357
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 3: But these are This is a huge number in the NFL,

1358
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 3: especially for a team that has a bad defense in

1359
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 3: you know, a potential sleepy spot with weather. There's gonna

1360
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 3: be heavy wins here. So I think this is the

1361
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: bottom of the market on the Panthers and you know

1362
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 3: teams teams that averages and none other thing. That just

1363
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 3: shows you if you're scared about this. Teams that average

1364
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 3: thirty five points per game or more, as the Dolphins

1365
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 3: at the average thirty six points per game, which leaves

1366
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 3: the NFL against teams that average below twenty. Team teams

1367
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 3: are scoring over two touchdowns more than the other team

1368
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 3: in Week six or later. Over the past twenty years,

1369
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 3: they are twenty thirty nine and four against the spread.

1370
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 3: I mean, that's as bad as it gets. So these

1371
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 3: are teams that are who wants who wants to back

1372
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 3: the team that's averaging under twenty. It's dude, it's averaging

1373
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 3: over thirty five, not at all, not all so that

1374
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 3: and I just don't you know, trends you can use

1375
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: each weep, that's just I'm just using them to illustrate

1376
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 3: the by low sell high aspect. So I think this

1377
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 3: is the bottom of the market on the Panthers and

1378
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to buy them, hold my nose and hope

1379
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 3: for the best.

1380
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: What you just got to be a human being and

1381
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: put yourself as a player on the Dolphins last week,

1382
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: even though they're playing a shitty Giants team, They're coming

1383
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: off getting embarrassed by the Bills, so they're gonna come

1384
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: out swing. And they did. They control that game.

1385
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: They Honestly, the eye test on that game felt like

1386
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 2: fifty to zero. Somehow the final score was thirty one

1387
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 2: to six, right, I mean, I think seven of the

1388
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: points came on a pick sticks from Tua. But like

1389
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: you said, I didn't even realize it until you said it.

1390
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: And bring up their schedule. It's not even just at

1391
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: the Eagles, that's Sunday Night football, that that's gonna be

1392
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: such a hyped game. These guys are human beings. I mean,

1393
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 2: they're watching the film. Coaches are screaming at them. Take

1394
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: them seriously, no chance you got the best practice this week.

1395
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: This has honestly, like you look up classic NFL Panthers

1396
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 2: are up like ten to nothing and they're just sleepwalking

1397
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: ten am West Coast kickoff. Obviously, the Dolphins, you know

1398
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 2: you'd be you'd be stunned if they lose the game.

1399
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: But I could see them definitely sleepwalking. Speaking of the

1400
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: other game you like, that falls under a lot of

1401
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: the same categories that you just brought up. The Giants

1402
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: at the Bills.

1403
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 2: Now, unlike the Dolphins, this team's coming off of not

1404
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 2: just a loss, I would say a pretty devastating loss

1405
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 2: when you factor in the injuries.

1406
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: Now, this game's at Buffalo, the place is gonna be rocking.

1407
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: But defensively this team has been, I mean taking some

1408
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: fucking massive, massive hits the last couple of weeks.

1409
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. And by the way, if you go back, this

1410
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 3: is another spot where I think this is just the

1411
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 3: bottom mark of the Giants who have covered yet.

1412
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 4: On this season. Ye yeah, yet to cover.

1413
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 3: And for look when I look at the Bills number one,

1414
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: it's not a great spot. They were just in London.

1415
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 3: They're coming back to Buffalo. There's just been a lot

1416
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 3: of travel over the past two weeks, and they've lost

1417
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 3: three all Pro caliber defensive players in the past two weeks.

1418
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 3: You lose Milana, a heart and soul that d to

1419
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: so much at linebacker. You lose your shutdown corner in

1420
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 3: Trey White, you lose your detackle Daikwon Jones, who was

1421
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 3: leading the NFL among all intier defensive lineman and pass

1422
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 3: block win rate. You have other injuries also to other

1423
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 3: players who are questionable. Russo and von Miller doesn't look

1424
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 3: like himself. I think he came back just to play

1425
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 3: in London. This defense has lost a lot of guys.

1426
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 3: And if you look last week, the Giants were catching

1427
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 3: thirteen twelve and a half at Miami. Daniel Jones gets hurt.

1428
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 3: They were playing without anybody, and they might be playing

1429
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 3: with anybody this week. They stilled a chance to cover

1430
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 3: that game. You know, they got destroyed. That's the NFL.

1431
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 3: Like these big numbers, even if you're getting blown out,

1432
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 3: teams are take to completely take their foot off the gas.

1433
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 3: There's just no reason to show much. You just want

1434
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 3: to preserve like that. They don't run it up like

1435
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 3: in college so, but I look at this game and

1436
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 3: now Buffalo's length fourteen and a half at home against

1437
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 3: the Giants in a bad spot coming back from London

1438
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 3: after losing three All Pro defense players with other defensive injuries,

1439
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 3: You're probably gonna get Tyrod Taylor here. I don't think

1440
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 3: it's that much of a drop off. The other factor

1441
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: that I like here, other than like it's just so

1442
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 3: hard to cover. Could argue it's an upgrade. Yeah, argu

1443
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 3: it's an upgrade. He can give you a little bit more,

1444
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 3: slightly more. Daniel Jones very mobile, But Daniel Jones also

1445
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 3: has lost the plot because he's been under so much

1446
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 3: pressure that he's just he's he's lost right back there,

1447
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 3: Like he's not Daniel Jones that we saw last year

1448
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 3: where everything was simplified for him.

1449
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 4: I also think Barkley might play. We'll see how feft

1450
01:09:59,160 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 4: that he could be.

1451
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 3: But the offense needs to rely on him, you know

1452
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 3: early last year, and then that's set everything else up.

1453
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 4: You can run on the bills.

1454
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 3: I think that Barkley plays, you're gonna go heavy, twelve personnel,

1455
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 3: bringing two tight ends and then just try to grind

1456
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:15,879
Speaker 3: this game down, push and dable knows the Buffalo offense

1457
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 3: and the Buffalo defense extremely well, so I think that'll

1458
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 3: have a really good game plan here for how to

1459
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,919
Speaker 3: simplify things, how to attack the Giants have been dreadful.

1460
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 4: Who wants to bet the Giants? Nobody? I mean, I

1461
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 4: guess accept me.

1462
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: Fourteen and a half I think is just too many

1463
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 3: points against Buffalo team coming back from London with defensive injuries.

1464
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 3: The dable familiarity I think works in your favorite teams

1465
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 3: that have yet the cover game in game six or beyond. Again,

1466
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 3: teams don't wants to bet. Past thirty seasons, sixty eight

1467
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 3: percent against the spread, including five and one is a

1468
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 3: double digit underdog. Panthers also haven't covered a game either,

1469
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 3: so they fall into that five and one double digit

1470
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 3: underdogs three of the six one outright. Then you go

1471
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,839
Speaker 3: back in history, you'll see some it's just still the NFL.

1472
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 3: These are still professional football players. You'll see some you

1473
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 3: go back, like twenty eleven, there was a Saints game.

1474
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 3: They were like seventeen point favorites and lost like this

1475
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 3: is still the NFL. It wouldn't even completely shock me

1476
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 3: if like the Giants or Panthers somehow won this week.

1477
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 3: We've seen it in the past, but ultimately, I'm not

1478
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,560
Speaker 3: going to sit here and say rosy things about the

1479
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 3: Giants or Panthers. I just think that this is the

1480
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 3: bottom of the market, and there's reasons to believe. You know,

1481
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 3: Buffalo defensive injuries, to travel miamiither schedule ahead, their defense

1482
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 3: isn't great. Of why I don't have a problem just

1483
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 3: trying to stay within two touchdowns with an NFL team

1484
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 3: that I think is at the bottom of the market.

1485
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:42,479
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Speaker 2: That's just fifty nine to ninety nine for the full season.

1501
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 2: Get it before it's gone. One thing will be interesting

1502
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: now with Buffalo suffering those two devastating season long injuries.

1503
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 2: Baikwon Jones, what's his injury?

1504
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 4: He's he's on IR.

1505
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: But the other guys are gone.

1506
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 2: Obviously, Mulato's lag was an air cast and Trey White

1507
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 2: Roop's achilles or acl or whatever. I wonder if Buffalo

1508
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: kind of morphs into Miami, you know, defensive their shell

1509
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 2: of themselves, they're not able to really stop anyone. Because

1510
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 2: the reason we love Buffalo going to the Miami game

1511
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 2: was how awesome their defense was, you know, relative that's

1512
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 2: what you had to do to stop Miami. Now that

1513
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 2: defense becomes middle of the back to below. All of

1514
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: a sudden, they're just an offensive lead team. And Josh,

1515
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 2: like last week, if he's a little off, they're in trouble.

1516
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 2: Same thing with to his little off, you got a

1517
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 2: chance to beat them. So those those two teams might

1518
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 2: start mirroring each other, which is something to keep an

1519
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 2: eye on the last, but not least a guy who

1520
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 2: it was just fun to see him and I get

1521
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 2: these playing the Cardinals, but just look like himself again,

1522
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 2: just throwing bombs, hitting Jamar Chase, Jamar Chase after said,

1523
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 2: I'm always fucking open, getting the rock, kicking ass, taking names.

1524
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: The Bengals are fun when their offense is humming and

1525
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,879
Speaker 2: their offense gained life. And I think it all started

1526
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 2: with he just didn't look right, you know. And we

1527
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 2: can argue should he be out there?

1528
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: Should he not? The NFL guys play, and it's just

1529
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 1: a reality. Joe Burrow.

1530
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: If he's able to play, he's unless the doctor is

1531
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 2: going to refuse to let him out there, he's gonna play.

1532
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 2: And he did not even remotely look close to the

1533
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: guy that we've become accustomed to last week. It feels

1534
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: like clearly that calf in his lower body looks better

1535
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 2: and he was definitely it just it looks fantastic to

1536
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: see the ball come out of his hand and hit

1537
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 2: guys and stride. So are the Bengals back one going

1538
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 2: to Seattle? Seattle's got life coming off of Bye. You know,

1539
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 2: this is this is a nice little test for Cincinnati, like,

1540
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 2: if they are back, they win this game.

1541
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know with there's two things that

1542
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 3: played with Burrow. He scared me for a second because

1543
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 3: I was nine to nine point. I'm p'ent sure this

1544
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 3: game is in Cincinnati. Yeah, it's because but you said

1545
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 3: go to Seattle, and I was like, wait, whereas games

1546
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 3: in in Cincy? Uh so yeah, I think if you

1547
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 3: look prior to last week at some advanced metrics that

1548
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 3: look at like EPA completion percentage over expectation, Burrow was

1549
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 3: the worst quarterback in the NFL through their first four games,

1550
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 3: Worse than Zach Wilson, worse than you name it. Uh.

1551
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 3: Last week and he just went He couldn't plant, he

1552
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 3: couldn't move, and because he couldn't move, he couldn't go

1553
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 3: through his progressions and he was put just throwing balls

1554
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 3: in the dirt.

1555
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 4: It was clearly hurt. Last week he finally looked healthy.

1556
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 3: A couple throws where he had to kind of open

1557
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,759
Speaker 3: up and throw to the outside were a little short.

1558
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 3: Other than that, all of his touchdown passes evading pressure,

1559
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 3: he was scrambling, he was going through his progressions. Because

1560
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 3: not only do I think he's now healthy, and then look,

1561
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 3: he's get another week where that that's an injury that

1562
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 3: just keeps getting better as long as you don't inflame it.

1563
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 3: And but not only that, it's that Burrow didn't was

1564
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 3: hurt leading up to the season, and which happened the

1565
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 3: past two seasons. He had a knee injury one season,

1566
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 3: and he had his appendix removed another season, and in

1567
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 3: each of the past now three seasons when he didn't

1568
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: have was not playing at all leading up to the

1569
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 3: start of the regular season, Daved the Begels have gotten

1570
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 3: off to extremely slow starts, and Burrows he's a timing

1571
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 3: based quarterback and once he gets going, he gets going,

1572
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 3: and that's what's happened. So not only do I think

1573
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 3: he's healthier, but I think also he's just gotten that

1574
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 3: natural timing down. And you know, to illustrate that in

1575
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 3: Week six or later in his career, he's nineteen and

1576
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 3: eight against the spread over seventy percent, and for what

1577
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 3: it's worth, he's seventeen to three and one against the

1578
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 3: spread in his last twenty one games against non divisional

1579
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 3: opponents when he's not playing those defenses in THEFC North

1580
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 3: that I have a really good defenses have a good

1581
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,839
Speaker 3: understanding how to attack this since Burrow has been almost automatic,

1582
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 3: so I think he's The Bengals are still undervalues. I

1583
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 3: don't think the market is really pricing in to the

1584
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 3: fact of what I believe is that Burrow's I would.

1585
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 4: Say ninety five percent. Maybe he's one hundred percent.

1586
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 3: This week, just a couple it was one or two

1587
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 3: throws just to the outside, and he's got to open

1588
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:47,799
Speaker 3: up and rely.

1589
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 4: On that cap a little more.

1590
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 3: But other than that, moving around, scrambling, evading pressure, going

1591
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 3: through his progressions, and then yeah, feeding Chase, which is

1592
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 3: always a smart idea. I think he turned through it

1593
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 3: to nineteen times target of nineteen times in the game.

1594
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 3: And then the Seahawks. I don't mind another they're coming

1595
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 3: off the buye, but this is the team I'm looking

1596
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 3: to sell. Not a full believer in them. I mean

1597
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 3: they the last two teams they beat were the Panthers

1598
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 3: in the Giants who cares? And then before that they

1599
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 3: they had a decent win at Detroit, but Detroit had

1600
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 3: a number of injuries that week. You know, coming off

1601
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 3: the case win, Seattle needed to pick six and then

1602
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 3: they get the ball in overtime to score easily, easily

1603
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 3: could have lost that game without the bad golf pick six,

1604
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 3: so not completely. Look, Seattle is not also not gonna

1605
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 3: get pressure. I don't They got pressure on the Giants.

1606
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 3: Everyone does, but this is not a defensive line. It's

1607
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 3: gonna get pressure on Burrow. So Burrow's gonna be able

1608
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 3: to sit back there even though he's I think he

1609
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 3: now can move around and they theyd pressure like he

1610
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 3: did last week. But he's gonna have time to cook.

1611
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 3: So I'll trust Burrow over Gino at home, where I

1612
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 3: basically just need him to win the game. I think

1613
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 3: the Bengals are too low here.

1614
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a This is an interesting spot for

1615
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: Gino because I just remember we have a really good

1616
01:17:59,080 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 2: game against the Lions.

1617
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: He was thirty two or forty one. He was through

1618
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: for three hundred and thirty yards. Controlled environment, indoors, this

1619
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: game outdoors, crowd to be rocking like this. This is

1620
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: this spot last.

1621
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 2: Year, down the stretch where he didn't quite look like

1622
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 2: the guy that you know, became the comeback player of

1623
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 2: the year thirty touchdowns and the guy they wanted to resign.

1624
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm like you, I

1625
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: tend to go.

1626
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 2: This is usually when he regresses a little bit more

1627
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: than the time that, like the following week he's playing

1628
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, I would expect like three touchdowns you know,

1629
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 2: at home. But this is a spot that, you know,

1630
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 2: is the reason he's kind of geno Smith and people

1631
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 2: like Middlecoffree being a hater.

1632
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't buy it fully though. Seattle's

1633
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: secondary is pretty good. I mean, at Witherspoon, they're the

1634
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: guy they took fifth, which ultimately probably came down to

1635
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: him and Jalen Carter was a bold pick for them,

1636
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: but the.

1637
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 2: Dude's a fucking baller. Uh And obviously Pete Carroll's the

1638
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 2: secondary guy. Defensively, you know, the Giants were in such shambles.

1639
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 2: I mean their offensive line might as well have me,

1640
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 2: you and three other out there. So it's hard to

1641
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 2: judge their you know, the twenty eight sacks they had

1642
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,919
Speaker 2: on Monday Night football, but can they get after the Bengals?

1643
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 2: Was that more of an outlier situation? This is just

1644
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: an interesting game for both these teams to really you know,

1645
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 2: however this plays out, I think we'll have a better

1646
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: gay jump both of them, because to me, if Seattle wins,

1647
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: then like, are they competing for that fifth seed? You know,

1648
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 2: because it's Dallas and Locke to be the best wild

1649
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 2: card team. They lose, then you know, maybe that fifth

1650
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 2: seed ends up just being a bunch of teams ten

1651
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: wins competing for that spot.

1652
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1653
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 3: Now Seattle would definitely get my respect if they win

1654
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 3: this game. I'd have to take them a little bit

1655
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 3: more seriously. But yeah, at the end of the day,

1656
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 3: this is what I think is now almost undred percent

1657
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 3: Barrow against Gino Smith. Yeah, I do like this Seattle secondary.

1658
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 3: Look no further than Illinois. The Illinois defense last year

1659
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 3: was elite. I mean, yeah, yes, they lost three guys

1660
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 3: in the top seventy five, one of them Witherspoon, but

1661
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 3: the three defensive backs went in the top seventy five

1662
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 3: the NFL draft. Their defense this year is able horrendous. So,

1663
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think the Bengals get it done here.

1664
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 3: This is a massive game for Cincy to get back

1665
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 3: to five hundred, stay really in the mix in the AFC.

1666
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 3: I mean, they still can go on a big run,

1667
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 3: but they have the hardest remaining schedule. If you look

1668
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 3: at strength as schedule rankings of any team in the NFL.

1669
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 3: So this is a big game to get at home.

1670
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 3: After a slow start, you basically could feel like, Okay,

1671
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 3: we're still in the mix. We survived with the Burrow injury.

1672
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 3: So I think they come out here really motivating. I

1673
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 3: think they can get after Geno in that offensive line.

1674
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 3: Trey Henderson's playing out of his mind. Trans gonna six sacks,

1675
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 3: shut up nine get three that were negated by illegal

1676
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 3: contact calls that really had nothing to do with the play.

1677
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 3: But he's playing out of his mind. So I think

1678
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 3: they'll pressure Geno into a couple of mistakes. And I'll

1679
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 3: even if I you know, if I'm down four late

1680
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 3: with three minutes to go and I need to borrow

1681
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 3: to drive the field of a touchdown, I'm not sweating

1682
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 3: too much, and I'll trust him to win this game.

1683
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't think any of us have

1684
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,440
Speaker 1: that much faith in in the first place, Pittsburgh Steelers

1685
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: right now. You know that they hold on for dear

1686
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 1: life every single game. So uh uh yeah, uh well, Stucky,

1687
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: let's let's enjoy the week that that's since you got

1688
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: me fired up on the Sincy Seattle game. That's and

1689
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I do a little moneyline in parlay.

1690
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 2: Maybe not money line, but the Giants Carolina. I like

1691
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 2: those stats pack past week six. That's that's interesting take.

1692
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe separately. I don't think both are both winning, would.

1693
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: Be out of money line parlay, but just you know.

1694
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe just throw a little couch change on both.

1695
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: It just a little, just a little scratch to keep

1696
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: me interested in the games that I wouldn't be that

1697
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: interested in. Have a good weekend, enjoy the big college games,

1698
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: and then let's let's have a good Sunday.

1699
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely good luck.

1700
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: The volume.

1701
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 2: I bet a lot of people listening or watching have

1702
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 2: been in an accent. I bet a lot of people

1703
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,599
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1704
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: not knowing who to call for help is hard. Hiring

1705
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,600
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1706
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,799
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1707
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1708
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1709
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 2: and Morgan has a proven track record of fighting to

1710
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,880
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