WEBVTT - Heat Check and DLo & KC Crossover Event! 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.920 Come on, come on. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.840 Today's episode of the Heat Check. We've got the co 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.560 hosts of d lo at Casey. You can find them 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.960 Monday through Friday, twelve to four Pacific time on ESPN 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.120 thirteen twenty. You can also get them on the out 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.560 of Sea app on YouTube. You can find them as well. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:37.560 Kenny's Instagram or Twitter follower handle excuse me at imk 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:42.160 Diddy funny little handle, so you can find Damien at 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:46.040 at Damien with an e Damien Barling, you can. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.680 Find him and Twitter as well. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:54.800 You guys are my my Kings insiders, probably like one 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.560 of the few guys on the what you would call 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.000 like the radio beats, Like you talk to the guys 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.600 on what is the nine eighty or whatever it is? 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:03.720 Was it nine to twenty? 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.040 You know what I'm talking about? The San Francisco station 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:15.680 ninety five to seven. They are delusional, absolutely delusial. 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.920 All the time. What is it like that they've got 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.080 like the sports bar wherever it is? I forget what 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:22.160 they're thinking. 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.080 Those are my guys, shout out Jones. 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:30.679 They love them, They're phenomenal, but they are absolutely delusional. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:35.480 They think Wiseman is the next like great despite him 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.880 having setback AF. They're setback AF, they're setback, like they 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.880 and listen, Kaminga is really good and he could end 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:46.000 up being something. But like they always overestimate what's happening 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:51.120 in Golden State Land. You guys, You guys trend probably 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:55.040 more realist to pessimists, which I love because I at 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.880 least feel like I know the truth of what is 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:03.160 the out outlying situation of the team. And now we've 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.080 got a million trades. You guys have. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.280 Marvin Bagley's gone boom. That's a good thing. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.960 Buddy Heel's gone. That's a good thing. Tristan Thompson's gone boom. 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:13.680 That's a good thing. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.399 T T's gone. You got Dante in. That's a good thing. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:19.440 White Dante. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:25.840 Kyry's Celibrt gone. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.840 That's a big bad thing, I would say, Dante Devincenzo 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.880 in I think probably trending very good thing as well. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:38.679 So State of the Kings, get your feelings out. Tyree's Haliburton. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.520 We talked about this before our technical issues started to ensue. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:46.320 But like the player's tribute article was a mess. I'm sad, 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.040 you guys, are you know, crying in the club? Tell 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.400 me kind of about the range of emotions that you 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:53.640 guys are feeling right now. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:54.320 Yeah. 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.560 I think one of the best things that happened for 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.480 the Kings was, you know, you get it. You lose Tyree'ston, 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.840 You're getting to Monsa Sabonis And I think you know, 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:07.400 you talk about delusional fan bases or delusional radio show. Yeah, Like, 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.239 I think that's all fan bases to a certain degree. 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:11.920 Like you overvalue your players. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.200 And Caliburton was one season away from being a Hall 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.080 of Famer here in Sacramento, like this fan base loved 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.119 that dude. He could do no wrong. As Kenny says, 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.040 he had one hundred percent approval rating when exiting office. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.720 And the best thing that happened to the Kings is 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:28.679 first two games out the gate, they won. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.800 Oh yeah, no, no, Tyres was cool. 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.400 Thing different here, and I think that was the most 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.760 important part in those first two games. When de monts Moons, 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:41.080 or I should say the first two games when de 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.480 Montsa Sabonis and that crew from Indiana played, the basketball 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.880 looked a little bit different. You saw talent on the 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.120 floor spread out. It wasn't just in the backcourt. The 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.880 two best players on the Sacramento Kings prior to Tyrese 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.680 Haliburton's or in the backcourt. And then in comes de 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.080 Monta Sabonis and all of a sudden, the wealth is 0:03:58.120 --> 0:03:59.480 spread out through the floor a little bit, and you 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:00.960 saw a different style of basketball. 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:06.440 And the interesting thing about Tyre's Halliburn, and they mean, 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.760 tell me if I'm off with this, is you know, 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.280 they loved Tyrese Halliburn, loved tyr They still love him 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.960 to this day, obviously, but they loved him because he 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:20.320 was a. 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:25.560 Good ballplayer and he loved us, right like that is 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:25.920 the thing. 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:31.279 Now, I say it's interesting because while everybody here thought 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.440 he was a really good ball player and they loved 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.160 and they thought he was good, I don't think anybody 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.760 thought of him the way the national media has portrayed 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.680 him since he left Incremental, Right, you you would think 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.600 that they just traded Magic Johnson. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.640 I just don't trade a player like that. I don't 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:48.520 get it. What is it? 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.640 The league should have stepped in? 0:04:55.920 --> 0:05:01.279 This is a Chris Paul to the Lake type trade. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:07.440 Adam, You know, right, David Stern would have never. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:09.200 We loved the guy. 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.000 But we were sitting here here and stuff afterwards, like, hey, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:14.440 did we not watch him. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.480 Did we watch a different diaries Alibert and the rest 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.200 of the league because he's a good ballplayer. 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:23.160 But I don't know, the outrage across national media in 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.720 the league was a little excessive. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.480 And we traded twenty ten Lebron James the other day. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.480 Apparently that's what it was, you know what I mean. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:36.240 But the like Damien said, the first two games Sabonas 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:37.200 comes in, they won. 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:39.599 And then there's this other little sneaky thing. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.200 Around here about in Sacramento about the early two thousands 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.320 style of basketball, and Sabonas came in as a big 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.080 man passing the ball around, and it was whipping around 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.120 the perimeter and everybody was getting involved. They had like 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.160 thirty plus assists in both games, and it triggered an 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:57.560 emotion for us. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.520 Of the early two thousands. She's like, that's like Vody, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:00.679 that's like Weber. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.120 And then all of a sudden, he just loves the 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:04.920 bonus and everything he brings now, so. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.039 It's actually it's actually a lot. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.640 More fun times right now than it was maybe a 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:11.400 week and a half ago. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:12.760 Out here. People are kind of excited. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:13.520 Absolutely. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.400 Do you think that, uh, the emotional response would have 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.839 been the same if it would have been Foxy that 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.719 ended up getting traded instead of Alley. 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:26.720 No, no, well there's a segment, there is a segment 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.960 that would be just as upset. But fox after well, 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.120 he's not the new shiny toy number one, number two. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:33.960 Uh. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:35.920 He had a slow start to the year. He had 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.840 some bad body language. He frustrated a lot of people. 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.400 He doesn't have the one hundred percent approval rating. That 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:43.760 and the money you're on a hundred percent of right 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.080 name and you don't have the one hundred percent approval 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.919 rating that Tyres had. His approval rating is probably I 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.600 don't want to jump out the wind. I don't want 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.200 to go overboard. It's probably like eighty percent like it 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:54.159 used to be one hundred. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:55.640 But some of the. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:01.239 Things is getting really noxious. Part y'all treating this dude 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.719 like he's Cleaves or something like it's freaking Dan aeron 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:06.760 Fox Like, man, this dude a good ball player, like 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.440 he can work, like what are you talking about? And 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.080 some of his body language, some of his feel like 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.520 he's approta bate weird this year and you know, we 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.200 couldn't quite put our finger and you had the two 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:18.280 week absence. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.160 Because of its losing when you've been a consistent winner 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:22.840 at every other level of your well. 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:27.240 Losing from what we hear or what we're ankles like 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.280 this is this is a brand study. Like you lose 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.800 long enough, you get a sore aim and it keeps 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.200 you out. And then there was the there was the awkwardness. 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.720 The day before the Tyrese Haliburton trade, Dederon was a 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.760 full go at practice. He was still listed as the 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.960 game time decision for the next night. But you wake 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.560 up the next day, Tyrese Haliburton gets traded and all 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.520 of a sudden, we're looking around like it's gonna be 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.920 weird when Dearons just returns to the lineup out of nowhere, right, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.440 And so we learned through some social media interactions as 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.160 the day went along, Yeah, the Arran's coming back tonight 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.760 and it's going to be awkward. And he came back 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:03.040 and he was smiling, and he was running up and 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:07.520 down the floor in playing thirty five minutes. And then 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.840 Sibonis is able to debut, you know, two nights later, 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:12.680 or it wasn't two nights later, it was the next night. 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:14.840 It was the back to back against Minnesota at the 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.480 gold One center. Sabonis was able to debut the next night, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.680 and all of a sudden, oh, we've got something cooking here. 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:25.680 There's this great still shot of de Aaron holding on 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:31.120 just clutching Debont's i mean, eyes closed, chest to chest 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.640 embrace and you can almost see the exhale in the 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:35.480 still photo. 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.480 After that first win against Minnesota, the air. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.000 Of Fox's fiance posted something on a text message sent 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.560 to her and with the picture of foxhold and Sabonis 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:46.760 and whoever since it. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.920 Was like, damn recent, he don't even hug you like that? 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.400 So do you think, like I guess that there was 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:59.319 some level of internal competition between Fox and Tyres or 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.800 just like guys who play the same position that maybe 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.760 like don't fit nearly as much as maybe the King's 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.840 organization thought that they might. That maybe brought down the 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.200 vibes for Foxy or what do you think that is? 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.400 I think it was two guys at the same position 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.240 and playing different roles. Like we look at you know, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.640 we I think we take for granted the term positionless 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.160 basketball and we just think that it applies to everything, 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.080 and it's like, that's fine positionless basketball if you want to. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:29.880 But Tyreese is used to having the ball in his 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.319 hands and he's looking to distribute. It's why Magic Johnson, 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.400 on the night of his draft said, this dude looks 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.360 like me. He looks like little Magic. That's why my 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.520 partner for two years called him little Magic because of 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.560 that line right there. But then when you take the 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.400 ball out of his hands, it's like, no, Dearan's really 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:45.960 good at that too. All of a sudden, you have 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.240 two guys that are trying to figure out different roles. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.679 There's still guards, They're still supposed to be positionless. You're 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.280 still supposed to do everything you're used to doing. It's 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.680 just you're doing it in entirely different form now. And 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.280 I think sometimes we get in our assessment of basketball thinking, oh, 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:03.480 it's just a guard position. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.160 Well it's not. These two have been used to being 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:07.840 the facility of their entire careers. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.439 Tyrese Haliburton when he has the ball is a little magic, 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.800 And when he doesn't have the ball, he turns into 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.280 the Robertson and Oka see just standing in the corner, 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:21.360 not effective at all. And they actually both were like that, 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.600 and from everything that we could tell, it was never 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.040 anything personal with those two. They liked each other, they 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.800 liked playing with each other. They wanted to try and 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.720 figure it out. They just couldn't. Like it didn't seem 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:34.200 like it was ever going to work with those two. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.960 That's exactly where I was going because it feels like 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.920 right now and this is not a King specific comment, 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.240 I think this is a basketball specific comment. 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.880 Right now with this era is that if you're not a. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:51.840 Ball dominant guard, then you pretty much are I don't 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.360 want to say like voided useless, but like people are 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.400 not moving, players are not moving without the basketball, like 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:03.360 Allah Steph Curry right, and the Golden State system has 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:08.000 gotten guys very good at buying in to know you cut, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.520 you're constantly in motion, whether you have the ball or 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.760 whether you don't, because it wears out defenses, like it 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.680 makes it very difficult for even like a team like 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.240 the Lakers right now because they've got a couple of 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.640 ball dominant, few ball dominant guys on the team, and 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.080 when they don't have the ball, they just it's like 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.040 almost like someone put the controller down on two K, 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.200 like that player is just no longer even like doing 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:33.280 anything well. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.520 To stall Dearon and Tyres a bit I think it's 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.959 also you talk about that constant motion in basketball. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.800 I think they were often playing with guys who maybe. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.240 Forgot what they were supposed to do defensive end, and 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.960 it would lead you, Yeah, it would lead you into 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.959 some really possessions where you're like, hey, why are there 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.440 four guys over there? Oh, two of them are in 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:55.160 the wrong spot. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:12:01.000 And I saw Buddy Heal do it his first night 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:06.320 for Indiana. He was standing shoulder to shoulder with I 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.000 want to say, maybe Chris Dwart. 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:09.600 I was like, what are you doing right there? 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.480 I think it was in the last four years, Homie. 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.560 I think we're talking about the same play. I remember too. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.040 I think it was Tyrese Haliburton there and Tyreesee was 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.000 ready for a swing like somebody added up top. Tyresee 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.040 was ready for a swing. All of a sudden, Buddy, 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.440 He'll just runs right in front of Tyrese Haliburton gets 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.480 the ball. You're not supposed to be there. I know 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.840 that's not the play. I know that's not the play. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.000 What are you doing that? That wasn't for the perimeter? 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.480 He shifts like towards him, Like the whole point is 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.959 to not bring your defender. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:39.480 You're the guy with the ball. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:47.840 Yeah, it was nightly struggle, like multiple times per night struggle, 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.920 and they're in. You know, as great as the additions 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.560 have been to the Sacramento Kings, there's a very very 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.600 good argument that the subtractions have been just as important. 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.160 Do you think that the Kings just back to that 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.760 point about Fox versus Halliburton, do you feel like the 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.959 Kings value Fox more than they did Halliburton or was 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.640 it just the only way that the deal got done? 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.400 Because I saw a lot of stuff like on Hoopsite 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.160 saying that the Kings weren't interested in trading Fox, but 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.839 I also heard that other teams were more interested in 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:17.160 team friendly deals. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:18.600 Yeah, I think that's them. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.880 That we've tried to evaluate a lot over the last 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.719 you know, week or whatever it's been. Is really if 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.280 you believe there's a you know, the tyree has just 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.760 you know, that's awesome, And if you're a team Indiana's 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.800 looking to rebuild, like, we couldn't figure out why, Like 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.319 Indiana doesn't a team that's rebuilding, dearon Fox doesn't make 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.920 sense for them because why are you gonna read thirty 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.560 million dollar contract when there are still I think Dean. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:41.600 I think we can all agree. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.720 There are some questions about like, when you look at contracts, 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.360 you put other players who make that money into the 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.840 same category. Okay, he's not Davion or not. He's not 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.440 Donovan Donovan mitt Yet not Davian Mitchell. He's not Donovan Mitchell. 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.400 He's not Jason Tatum either, and so it's like, well, 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.559 but he's good, but he makes the same amount of 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.080 money that they So if you're rebuilding, if you're starting over, 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.719 it's easier to build around a guy who's in the 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.000 second year of the NBA. He's in the second year 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.880 of a rookie contract, which gives you the ability to 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.120 keep him, you know, on your roster for a very 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.880 long time and put the right pieces around him. Tyree's 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.600 for a rebuilding team made so much more sense than 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:20.760 the Aaron Fox did. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.600 Right, And one of the things one of our our 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.400 insider Our Kings Insider on ESPN thirteen twenty brought up 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.840 a good point and he talked about when. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:32.720 De Aaron Fox was out. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.840 For two weeks and Tyree's got to play by himself essentially, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.320 and he played really well. Right He's out there, probably 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.400 averaged twenty plus points per game, seven eight assists. Tonight 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:49.360 played really well, but they got beat by sixty thirty 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.960 like twenty five twice, like they were getting beat down. 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.120 And it did two things. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.320 It kind of raised Tyree's trade value because you saw 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:02.480 what he could do just by himself, So that probably 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.240 was appealing to other teams, but also for the Kings, 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.240 it made it say, well, it's greatest Tyre's Halliburton is 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.600 how far are we really gonna go if he's our 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.840 best piece in that particular case, if we don't feel 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.080 like he can you know, he can transcend what's going 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.320 on here in Sacramento, maybe we put him in a deal, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.400 get Fox who you know, the contract and everything is 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.840 a real issue. But if we can pair him up 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.520 with another top flight big or something like that we 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.480 call big fish out here, like Sabonis, maybe that's a 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.400 little more of a fast track to where we want 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.200 to get. And I think that time will Fox being off, 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:39.800 I think it helped a lot for them to kind 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.280 of get a. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.040 Clear view of what moves they need to make. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.040 And I think there's one other thing too, Trista sorry 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:51.080 that Tyrese is a great passer. Dearan's a great score. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.400 So with Sabonis, Yeah, I don't want to say you 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:59.600 completely balanced that out a little bit, but you kind 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.160 of did. It's not like a net negative six Sibonises go. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.160 For five there with the passing big man. 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.000 Yeah, I think that that's what makes the move interesting 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:13.040 and I think it showcases how important it's not just 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.280 the two man game that is important. It's where the 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.280 two men are in on the court. But it's like 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.560 all about where the two men game is. And this 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.200 is as a Blazer fan who had CJ and Dame 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.880 for a decade, you realize it doesn't really matter how 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.960 good those two guys are because they literally are in 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.320 the same spots on the floor and they don't compliment 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.440 each other in terms of winning. Uh, And like that 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.040 would be that would be all good and fine if 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.280 we had a big that you could rely on, one 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.320 that could pass like Nurkic is not slowness, Like, let's 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.600 be real, like use of Nurkic isn't that That kind 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.880 of leads me into the rest of the trade talk 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.800 and what happened at the deadline and what you guys' 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.000 thoughts are because we now have. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.320 An embiid hardened combin nation. 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.679 And now we have Ben Simmons in Brooklyn, Like, what 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.440 do you guys think? And I know this isn't really 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.000 Kings related, but it sort of is in regards to, 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:10.560 like how you construct a roster? 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.359 Who do you think? And like how what's your. 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.639 Assessment of how they've both constructed their rosters? 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.159 First, Kenny, because you know I'm about to rail on 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.199 James Harden in Philadelphia, So go ahead. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:29.080 Let me say for Philly's side, right, I guess you 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:30.720 got what you were looking for. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.399 I kind of feel like Daryl Morey got a he 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.879 got screwed in this deal because he reportedly was asking 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.400 for a whole lot and he didn't really get any 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:43.040 of that except for he got the superstar in James Harden. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.240 And I don't like the way James Harden plays. I'm 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.639 not a huge James Harden fan, but I know what 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.080 he produces out there on the floor. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:52.720 It's crazy. 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.360 I think, you know, everybody's like, oh, James Harden, he's 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.320 trying to play his way out of Brooklyn. He's fat, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.800 he's in, he's not engaged, and everything else like that. 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:01.600 And I go and I look at his numbers and 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:03.760 I agree he is having a down year. But at 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.440 Dani Leeers your twenty two points centissist eight rebounds a 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.880 night like he's, the production is unmatched. So I think 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.919 Philadelphia getting James Harden for this year, they're better than 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.280 they were coming into the year. I think they're better 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:19.919 than they would have been. Ben Simmons would have been 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.400 there all year. Harden and Mbeed give them an opportunity 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.439 to win a championship, and I didn't think they had 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.080 that opportunity, especially with the Ben Simmons there. So they 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.720 got better there on the Brooklyn side than that might 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.119 be for the future. I don't think Ben Simmons is 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.680 going to really help them make a championship charge this year, 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.000 but you gotta look at Okay, it helps for the future. 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.160 I know Kd's going to be there. I doubt Kyrie 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.359 is going to be there. So now you're looking at 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:47.720 his offer him. 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.840 You don't think they offer him a deal this offseason. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.120 You know it's up in the air. 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.840 I could see them saying, just just go, Kyrie, just go, 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.159 like'retired at this nonsense, and myself and they mean, we 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.800 talked about it yesterday. Does anybody signed Kyrie you know, 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.680 with everything that comes along with them next year, who's 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:06.159 the owner that's going to say, yeah, I want to 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.119 take a chance on that. So looking at the future, 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.640 I like Seth Curry. I like Seth Curry a lot. 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.720 I think he could kind of hop into that Kyrie 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.360 role next year. So I think this deal helps Brooklyn 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.280 more next year. I think this deal helps Philly more 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:19.920 this year. 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.000 I don't think either team got closer to winning a 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.199 championship this year because there's no acquisition that could be 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:27.760 made that makes Harden all of a sudden he's a 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:32.360 championship player. He's just he's fall short year after year. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.000 And you can blame it on injuries, you can blame 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:35.680 it on injuries to teammates, you could do And I 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:37.640 said this, I feel like I always have to say 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.840 this now because I've never been a fan of James Harden. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.720 What he did last year, playing through the hamstring injury 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.800 and playing essentially two straight games without sitting, playing Game 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.320 six and seven, that's pretty incredible. 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:49.840 But they lost. 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.159 And he has this ability like he's been able to 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.320