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Speaker 3: In the Gods of War Front, man, we got another

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Speaker 2: We finish. We finished.

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Speaker 3: Shoot up this next place. It's like Nigga go where

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Speaker 3: My last fifteen years been recorded because I'm recording guarded.

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Speaker 3: Again, to catch everybody up, The Hood Politics started off

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Speaker 1: Gesture. Maybe maybe we should I love you the hell No,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and even like yeah, to get more

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Speaker 3: in a in an interesting way, like I know you're

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00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 3: not like you don't self identify as a Chicana because,

437
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: like I know, as matter of fact, I learned very

438
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: quickly when I started dating you that I was like, Oh, y'all,

439
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: ain't got odes and lowriders here.

440
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: This is.

441
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, y'all like Mexican. Mexican.

442
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: So I was like, I grew up with aathos, you

443
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So I was like, oh, it's

444
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: a little different. But at the same time, when you

445
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 3: did come here, you landed in an area that's like,

446
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: oh they rioters down there, you know what I'm saying.

447
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 3: Like you landed in a threaspoontos, you know what I'm saying. So,

448
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: so you've had the experience of like this what it

449
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 3: means to be first gen child of a textile worker.

450
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 3: You feel me and also like we outside running these streets,

451
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: trying to survive. You know what I'm saying, banging the set,

452
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: banging the hood. You know what I'm saying, Like understanding

453
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: both of those worlds and then going on to get

454
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: a PhDe You feel me is like you're able to

455
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: communicate in a way to these kids who I know.

456
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: As for me, even as a black man, if I

457
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 3: were to ever walk into an organization and meet somebody

458
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 3: as a kid like her, like you, I would be like, Okay,

459
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: she gets it.

460
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

461
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: Even though you may not be a black person, you

462
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, But I know, okay, well, you

463
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: you're from the struggle. You know, you understand your allegiance

464
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: to your section, you know, and sometimes feeling like you

465
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: got to play that down but at the same time,

466
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 3: or you got to play down your intelligence to keep

467
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 3: your allegiance to your section. But at the same time,

468
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 3: it's like you're gota trying to be here forever because

469
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 3: you have to say, like I said, I got into school, nigga,

470
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm trying.

471
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: To I want to be here differently.

472
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: I want to be here different See you already knew it.

473
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, because yeah, and that's, yeah, that's a lot of

474
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 4: what my book Chinona Owning your Inner Badass.

475
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: Just the third thing for Healing and Justice is about.

476
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 4: It's about my own journey as the first gen low income,

477
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 4: you know, working class background person making her way up

478
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 4: the kind of like the achievement ladder, if you will,

479
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 4: and then realizing like what am I doing this for?

480
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: Like?

481
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 4: Am I doing this to just be around all these

482
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 4: other people that are like navel gazing and just kind

483
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 4: of thinking that they're awesome? Or am I doing this

484
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 4: because I want something different from my community? And sometimes

485
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: it felt at odds, you know, And you know, largely

486
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: it was at odds because I was at odds within myself,

487
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: and so I had to go through a lot of

488
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 4: just you know, unpacking and just kind of relearning a

489
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 4: lot of the ways that I had like really latched

490
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 4: onto anger in the way that was unhealthy, and how

491
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 4: I thought about moving up the ladder instead of just

492
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: so instead of doing it through angers, like what would

493
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: it look like to do it from a place of love,

494
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: like to want better for people like me, like younger

495
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 4: mes like that are thinking about this trajectory and like

496
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 4: wanting like a mentor wanting some kind of voice in

497
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: their life as to like how to get through it.

498
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: You know, So that's what you mean by at odds

499
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: with yourself.

500
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, I felt like it was a And

501
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 4: this is something that I explored my book, is as

502
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: you grow up in a in sort of like the

503
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: Ivory Tower, right, Like I spent many years in a

504
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: master's program and then a PhD program, you start to

505
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 4: lose yourself a little bit, and you start to be

506
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: resentful at the institution and kind of developed this anger

507
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: against it, like this wanting to change things from like

508
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 4: a violent place as opposed to from like a as

509
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 4: opposed to from a place that maybe feels more true

510
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 4: to you. And I'm not saying that there's like a

511
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 4: one way to do it. I'm just saying that the

512
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 4: way that the way that I wanted to do it

513
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: was no longer matching with the way that I felt

514
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: I was being kind of, you know, activated by by

515
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: the environment in which I was in. So I talk

516
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 4: a lot about mental health, which is why I'm you know,

517
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: I don't know how much that's used in in your podcast,

518
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: you know, like how much you talk about that, But

519
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 4: we could also talk about this from like a mental

520
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: health perspective, in that it was just hella depressing. It

521
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 4: was like hella depressing to be in a space and

522
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: be like, why am I here? Like I worked really hard,

523
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 4: I'm in this place and for what what is the

524
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: point of this?

525
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: You know?

526
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 4: It was very bleak, very kind of dark place to

527
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 4: be in as opposed to seeing a way to like,

528
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: you know, just I don't know, like changing changing things

529
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: in a different way.

530
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 1: You know.

531
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 4: I had kind of bought into the like there was

532
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: this one way that you could do change, and it's

533
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: through becoming a professor, for example, or becoming whatever, you know,

534
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 4: path that you think sometimes you have to follow because

535
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 4: of the path you've been on, and then realizing, oh no,

536
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: there's many ways that you could affect change. And I've

537
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 4: been looking at affecting change from this very narrow perspective,

538
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 4: but actually there's so many ways.

539
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: Did you go in angry or did you become angry

540
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: when you got there?

541
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like there's a lot of different components

542
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: as to why I may have been I've got angrier

543
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: once I'm there. I was there, but I definitely had

544
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 4: a lot of unresolved trauma that I didn't really get

545
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 4: to really heal from until I was like post my

546
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 4: pH d program.

547
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which.

548
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 4: Is also a big topic in my book. And you know,

549
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 4: like how do you how do you like, you know,

550
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 4: take mental health kind of these dreams and aspirations, social

551
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 4: justice ideas and start to figure out kind of what's

552
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 4: what you know and what's figuring out kind of like

553
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: your own calling, so to speak.

554
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: The book is called Jingonna.

555
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 4: Chingna, Owning your Inner Badass for Healing and Justice.

556
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can say real quick what jingoona means?

557
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so chin gonna yes say bad words here. Yes,

558
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 4: So the literal translation of chinoona means like a fucker,

559
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 4: like a fucker, and a nicer way that has been

560
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: adopted of saying chingoona is badass. So it's hey, fucker,

561
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 4: but it's in like the worst way possible. Because the

562
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: origins of the word to China men to fuck. But

563
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: it was used uh first on the children of indigenous

564
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: and Spanish uh colonizers to define the children who were

565
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: born of rape. So they were searching, searching go on

566
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 4: as were children of the fuck basically, and that is

567
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 4: where like the the word comes from. And this is

568
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 4: something that I also explore in the book just you

569
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: know the origins how it then became something that was

570
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 4: used in the Latino community as a badge of honor

571
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 4: for men, like to go on was like you know,

572
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: you're bad as you're dope, you know, or yeah or

573
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: not just fucking but just you're just dope, you know.

574
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: But to be a woman and men like, oh man,

575
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: you're like too loud, causing too much attention kind of

576
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: you know, like this idea of masa which means you know,

577
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: women are better to be seen than heard, which you

578
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: know is adopted for children as well, and course and

579
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: so like in in various cultures, and so it's it's

580
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: just a way to basically keep the patriarchy and kind

581
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: of misogynistic kind of values of life in the chicanel

582
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: or in the Latino community. Uh, this way that this

583
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: word was used, but over the years it has been

584
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 4: kind of co opted by latinas in in kind of

585
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 4: an empowering kind of way to be like, yeah, China,

586
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 4: that's what I am, you know.

587
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: And that's the yeah. That was my entrance to the word.

588
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: I had no idea of its history. I've always thought

589
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: it was like like the power term for Mexic you

590
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: ain't read in my book. Just know I'm saying my

591
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: entrance to it. I know now because of your books.

592
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm joking.

593
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: No, but like yeah, like I had until until you

594
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: schooled me, I had no idea of its history. I

595
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: always thought that, yeah, that was just the phrase for like, no,

596
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: it's Mexican girl, you know what I'm saying.

597
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: Like, so one of the things that I also realized,

598
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 4: it's very general. And also depending on which Latino or

599
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 4: like Spanish speaking kind of background you come, it's very

600
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: vulgar too.

601
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: It could be considered very vulgar. And so.

602
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 3: When I like posted about your book, like you know,

603
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: it's a cuss word. Yes, you can read you read.

604
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 4: Part of why I didn't want to censor that was because,

605
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: you know, often I feel like people from working class

606
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: backgrounds and nur slang gets policed, like you know, the

607
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 4: way that you speak, and you know, even using the

608
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 4: worst you go now, which was actually a term that

609
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 4: I was called as a child often, you know, And

610
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: that's part of why I wanted to explore that.

611
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: How you feel about the usage of nigga.

612
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 4: I think that you know, whoever chooses to use it,

613
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 4: that are of black or African American descent, they are

614
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: in their right conversation conversations have and black carts to

615
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 4: revoke or give back as y'all want. But I do

616
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 4: not personally feel that any no black persons should get a.

617
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: Pass, even even even you as married in No, No,

618
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: I I agree.

619
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 4: That's that's just my personal politics around that, the word

620
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 4: of you know. And I also I also feel like

621
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: most of black folks that I am friends with close

622
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 4: to don't use the term other than me, other than you,

623
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: So it's really interesting that that's kind of who I.

624
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Feel you no but like you.

625
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: And I'm saying even this is completely off top, well no,

626
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: it's it's tied into this concept.

627
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: Of to me.

628
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: But like I think of.

629
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 3: Your a lot of times when I try to describe

630
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: you to other people because I'm like, it seems like

631
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 3: it doesn't paint the whole picture if I say my

632
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: wife are like, you know, my wife's U, you know,

633
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: Mexican American, because I'm like, you're mostly indigenous, and then

634
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: when and then your granddaddy is black, like you know,

635
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: So I'm like and knowing me knowing black history being like, well,

636
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: y'all region was a slave trade port. It's a lot

637
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: of black people over there, you know. And it's funny

638
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: when I run into people who are you know, Afro,

639
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: Latino or Caribbean. And my my anecdotal thing is when

640
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 3: people have to explain how they're black, I'm like, you're

641
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: it's over before it started, Like you you shouldn't have

642
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 3: to explain this to me. So I'm like, as their

643
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: justification for saying the word niggad, it's like, what are

644
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: you talking about? Like you see how dark this is,

645
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: you see this nose this is, And I'm like, bro,

646
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: you know how I don't have to explain to you that.

647
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: I'm black and you feel like you do.

648
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: So the moment you to me, that's a mark to

649
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 3: me where I'm just like or I grew up like that,

650
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 3: this is how we talk.

651
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, eight like you said, like.

652
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: I am done policing people, Like that's just my stage

653
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: of mental health where I'm like, I don't need to

654
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: police nobody over.

655
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: There, you know what I'm saying.

656
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: But at the same time, but if you ask me,

657
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: you know, I feel like if you got to explain

658
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: your blackness, that that should already you should be able

659
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: to answer your.

660
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: Own questions, you know what I'm saying, So, like, who

661
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: are trying to convince?

662
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: You're trying to convince here, you know what I mean.

663
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: So so I say that as you who could legitimately

664
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: say that you're Afro Mexican, Yeah, you're like the hell

665
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 3: I am right, Well.

666
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: I feel like I don't present an Mehicana, So it's

667
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 4: not something that I would claim.

668
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: You know, because it's not fair, right, And because in.

669
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 4: My family, which is like a whole other like wrinkle

670
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 4: to this, is that I was actually even though I

671
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: I'm very much like indigenous kind of looking, I'm very

672
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 4: much the I was the wed in my family, which

673
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: means like.

674
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: The lightest one.

675
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 4: Whole like experience was always hearing how beautiful I was

676
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 4: because I was the lightest one, which is horrible, which

677
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 4: is horrible because I'm literally it was done in front

678
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: of cousins who were darker, you know, and it was

679
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 4: just like it was like this weird way that I

680
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 4: really early on learned like colorism within like the our

681
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 4: not only our family, but the Latino community. Like you know,

682
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: we obviously have a very different race relationship than in

683
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: the US because we didn't have like slavery as an

684
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: institution the way that it was in the US, where

685
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: you know, for example, like growing up, yeah, my grandfather

686
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 4: being Afro Mexicano, it was never a thing that we

687
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 4: like would consciously kind of talk about because to us,

688
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 4: Mexicanos were just of different colors. We just came We're

689
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 4: very very heterogeneous in that way where you could have

690
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 4: a really light skinned cousin and a really really really

691
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 4: dark skinned like cousin in the same family because of

692
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: just genetics and like who ended up with who, and

693
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: because you know, it's just and it was never like

694
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: a thing because it wasn't a legal thing in.

695
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: Our in Mexico legal distinction right that.

696
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 4: I was ever made. So it's I'm not saying that

697
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 4: there isn't racism. I'm just saying that it was super covert,

698
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 4: very very covert, UH and it came out in ways

699
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: like colorism. And you know, I when I grew up,

700
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 4: Once I grew up and I learned a little more

701
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 4: history of where my family comes from on my maternal side,

702
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 4: I realized that the reason why there's a lot of

703
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 4: af Mehicanos in this specific in this UH specific part

704
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: of Guerrero was because which is you know, near the

705
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 4: Costa Chica is because that is where those are the

706
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 4: cliffs and the part of the ocean where a lot

707
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 4: of the African folks that were brought over through the

708
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 4: Transatlantic slave trade would basically run away and just kind

709
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: of hide out by the cliffs on the rocks on

710
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 4: this in this part of Mexico. Yeah, and then when

711
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 4: and then kind of assumed dead or assumes kind of missing,

712
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: like they've died or something along the way on the path.

713
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 4: But that's literally to this day, Cosa Chika has some

714
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: of the like the largest after Mexicano population in Mexico,

715
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 4: and that is where my grandfather was from. So yeah,

716
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: of course he probably you know, he definitely has like afro. Yeah,

717
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 4: he's like yeah, definitely after a Mehicano. But he ended

718
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 4: up marrying someone as you know, who is like look

719
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 4: like a white lady.

720
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

721
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just very very light. And so then their

722
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 4: daughters are you know, they're all shades and then depending

723
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 4: on who they married.

724
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so funny, but like, yeah, that that history,

725
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 3: you know, like in for those who know my music

726
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: on the she has made an earth song when I

727
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: say Ivory Coast to Chica. I'm making a play of

728
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 3: words of like the Ivory Coast in coast of Chica.

729
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: So that's that's what I was talking about, you Ivory

730
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: Coast to Chica. You know which I I just the

731
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: obviously y'all again familiar with my stuff. The black and

732
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 3: brown and indigenous experience is very important to me, part

733
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: of like my mission and you know, knowing that my

734
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: work is bigger than me, like that unity among the

735
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: black and brown communities, and obviously growing up at LA,

736
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: like yeah, the the the power broker ing that has

737
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: been and can continue to be accomplished if at the

738
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: policy level and the street level when there's unity has

739
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 3: been It's been amazing in Los Angeles, you know what

740
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: I'm saying, When we finally get sure as a community,

741
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: and I think your your work at scholar Match, I

742
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: feel like is an example of that because we we

743
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: also we too be like the first people in our

744
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: families to go to college.

745
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

746
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 3: In my personal family, both both of my parents went

747
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 3: back to school. My dad went and you know, after

748
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 3: going to Vietnam. You know what I'm saying, My mom

749
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: went when I was in high school. She went back

750
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: and got her degree, you know what I'm saying. But like,

751
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: but me being like out of high school going into college,

752
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 3: you know, we didn't. I didn't know you can get

753
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: a fee waiver on an application, you.

754
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, Like I thought I had.

755
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: I was about to pay fifty dollars for you to

756
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: tell me I can't go, Like no, I'm good, I'm not.

757
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: I'm a if I have to pay to apply and

758
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: then pay to go, y'all tripping, you know what I'm saying,

759
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: Like what you know, we didn't know? You know what

760
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

761
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, And now, like it's funny that you mentioned that

762
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 4: because even now there were realizing in this kind of

763
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 4: research area of access college access that even the second

764
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 4: generation is still kind of lost because if you're just

765
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 4: if you're first gen and you're growing and you're raising kids,

766
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 4: which is who we are right as people, we just

767
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 4: got out of that, Like we still trying to get

768
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: our sort of like just learn, like get situated financially

769
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 4: stable enough in a way that maybe you know, our

770
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 4: parents didn't have to they didn't have the opportunity for

771
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: but it's still not in a very you know, in

772
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 4: a place where you're like, oh, yeah, this is an expectation,

773
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: this is how you're gonna go, this is how we're

774
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 4: going to pay, Like it's an effort to want to

775
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 4: give this to our children as well, you know.

776
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: And so second generation.

777
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 4: You know folks also struggle through a lot of like

778
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 4: having to learn and like be guided in that process.

779
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 3: Which reminds me of a question now that like from

780
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: a policy level, like with the new like laws around

781
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: mentioning race and affirmative action and test scores and SATs

782
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: and all that's good stuff. Like I listened to this

783
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: deep dive new story about people trying to write their

784
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: entrance essays.

785
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: But and how.

786
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: You you're not allowed to consider my color, you know,

787
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: my race in America. But but if I'm going to

788
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: talk about myself, I don't know, there's no and I

789
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 3: don't know how else to explain this except for it's

790
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: it's got to be a product of privilege to be

791
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: able to tell your story and not have to include

792
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: your experience as being racialized in America. It's so there's

793
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: no part of my life that's not part of that,

794
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, I don't know,

795
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: how how do I write about myself? Well, so as

796
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 3: sometimes I know.

797
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 4: And like personal essays, you can still write about anything. Word,

798
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 4: there's no the it's affirmative action is more about like

799
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 4: from a institutional perspective, they can't like like select or

800
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 4: hand pick certain populations for acceptance or special review because

801
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 4: of their their documented like check off the box.

802
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 3: So it's not so much I can't consider your race

803
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 3: like as you're reading these essays.

804
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: No, the essays are completely different, which is interesting because

805
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: that's why the folks that work in this area we

806
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: have always used this as a vehicle when affirmative action

807
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 4: was here, wasn't here?

808
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: Was here again? Isn't here again?

809
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 4: We always going to talk about this because this is

810
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 4: the fact that your first gen the fact that you're

811
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 4: like from an underprivileged background, like it affects your educational

812
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 4: journey itself, right, and so like, how are you not

813
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 4: going to talk about who you are in this personal state?

814
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 4: So it absolutely always gets talked about, and readers, because

815
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: I've been a reader for universities to like look at

816
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 4: we aren't told not to like basically dismiss that.

817
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I thought that that was the new law,

818
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: like this new.

819
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: Like with the Affirmative actsporting.

820
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that has more to do with the way

821
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 4: that institutions cannot Basically, it's illegal for them to base

822
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 4: off of a checkbox category that was checked off to

823
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: give special consideration for those students or give or allow.

824
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: Certain spots for those students.

825
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 4: So instead it's like and now they're in there with

826
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 4: everybody else, and what they talk about is in part

827
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 4: of the law, you could still talk about who you are,

828
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 4: because just like those like folks who come from those

829
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: backgrounds talk about that, we have students who talk about,

830
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 4: for example, like being a prodigy of like you know

831
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: whatever sport or like you know whatever other like kind

832
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 4: of expensive instrument kind of thing that they had to do,

833
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: which you know, to me as a reader, I'm thinking privilege.

834
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: This person has a lot of privilege.

835
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 4: But look, they also have used that privilege in a

836
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: way where they are now like a freaking acclaimed somebody,

837
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 4: which is like not that you need to be acclaimed

838
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 4: for to gain admission, but like it's also a way

839
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 4: that I think privilege can also like.

840
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: Gets read into.

841
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: Like these documents, Yeah, you still get to see who

842
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: they are. As people you know, and then and it's

843
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 4: super hard because that's just one of the factors in

844
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 4: considering someone for admission, Like you look at their scores,

845
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 4: their grades, a lot of factors.

846
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: You know.

847
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 3: Somebody, somebody was making the argument that like removing the

848
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: test score the SAT thing is actually going to hurt

849
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: a community as of color and.

850
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: In a way that.

851
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: If they're if their GPAs were high enough to be

852
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 3: considered right, but not as high as you know, student

853
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 3: a that who also came from privilege but had personal

854
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: tutors and did all these different things to make sure

855
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: that their grades were there.

856
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: Right.

857
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 3: But this person who came from a lower performing school

858
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: and struggled, and you know what I'm saying, and against

859
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: all odds, still hit that four point o line, doesn't

860
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: have this other thing of these test scores that we

861
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 3: all know are biased, and they still scored this you

862
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So you weigh both of those

863
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: things together and say right now, So basically it's like

864
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: you're removing this way of proving you that you've reached

865
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 3: this level against all odds.

866
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I could see the argument.

867
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be it's definitely gonna not benefit

868
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 4: like a very few select group of students, you know,

869
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 4: like I could see how that's going to impact them.

870
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: But I think overall these tests and the ways that

871
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 4: they were developed and why they were developed, you know,

872
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 4: like the history of these tests like has shown how discriminatory.

873
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: They actually are is to be out.

874
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like they it was like the history of

875
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 4: it was literally eugenics.

876
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: This is the history of these tests.

877
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 4: And yeah, you know, we've evolved and we've changed them

878
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 4: and made them different, but at the core of them,

879
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: it is still very privileged people.

880
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: Well that set the center.

881
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: So then how do you bringing it back to you?

882
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: How do you.

883
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: Help these young these young homies, because I I've watched

884
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: young Latina women, black women, just women period sliding your

885
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 3: d MS in a way that.

886
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: Is like you are.

887
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 3: This picture of the possibility to them and they just

888
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 3: so I'm just I just wonder, like, given all these

889
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: things that you know personally, and then how you work

890
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: with these people professionally, what in what ways do you

891
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 3: feel like you're able to equip them to work through

892
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: a system that at all these different angles are working

893
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: against them. And then so I'm like, and then so

894
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: answer that, and then secondly like why do you think

895
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: why do you think these young women are drawn to

896
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 3: you in the way that they are?

897
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think they're drawn to me because

898
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 4: in our kind of more mainstream kind of you know,

899
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: social and representative kind of or non representative kind of

900
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 4: milieu of like entertainment, we don't see a lot of

901
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 4: representation of Latinas being educated to this level like PhD,

902
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 4: master's level. And so when you find that one or

903
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 4: two or three like online, you're just like, oh my gosh,

904
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 4: like this this person has figured it out.

905
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: How do they do that?

906
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 4: Live and talk to them? And when I think that,

907
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 4: the more there is and also I mean to be

908
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 4: to also use just actual hard facts like Latina women

909
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 4: are the unicorns in higher academia. So we are the

910
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: most underrepresented faculty members across universities in the US. It's like,

911
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: I think the last time I looked, it was like

912
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 4: two to four percent of like people universal fans and yeah, yeah,

913
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 4: university professors are Latinas. And so I mean, even if

914
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: you just do like a random poll of people like

915
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 4: who has had a Latina professor, it would be real

916
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 4: bleak because most people have.

917
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: Not had a Latin professor.

918
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 2: I'm going through my I never I mean when.

919
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: I was growing up, I never had Latino professors.

920
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 3: I was like one and it was like my credentialing

921
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: program one. Yeah, and I'm like that's six years of school,

922
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, yeah, one.

923
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 4: So one, there's that there's the fact that like it's

924
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: just hard to find a mentor because there aren't a

925
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 4: lot of us. And so then when people are like,

926
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you went through it, like, you know,

927
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 4: even if it's a different path, right, like maybe they're

928
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 4: thinking of a different kind of trajectory in terms of

929
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: like the education that they want to have, it's still like, well,

930
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 4: someone did it, so like you know, like wanting to

931
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 4: reach out to someone that has gone through it.

932
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: And then the other question was.

933
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 3: About how do you, like, given all these things that

934
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: we say, like oh, yeah, like how are you like

935
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: equipping young first gen kids or people reaching out? Like

936
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: what are you telling them as ways to like navigate

937
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 3: this world?

938
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's really complicated, and I mean

939
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 4: I could I could definitely go into like some of

940
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 4: the problematic ways that even amazing organizations like the one

941
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 4: that I work with, kind of end up skimming the

942
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 4: crop the krim of the cop because it's like the ones.

943
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: That are already doing so else by the odds.

944
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of research that shows like, Okay,

945
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 4: are those the people that really need our help?

946
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: Like are they going to actually just do it anyway?

947
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 4: You know, like how can we use like how can

948
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 4: we really test whether this program is what helped them

949
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 4: get there versus their own and.

950
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 2: Anyway?

951
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's that.

952
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 4: There's always that like kind of thing that's always lingering

953
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 4: in the work that I do and the research that

954
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 4: gets done in this area, because it's really hard to

955
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 4: powers out like this was the effect of this program

956
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 4: or this kind of mentorship as opposed to like this

957
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 4: person was going to fulfill this destiny kind of thing.

958
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: You know. Like, so there's that. So I'm gonna just

959
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: put that aside.

960
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 4: But when we don't think about that and we just

961
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 4: think about, like, what has helped this population being successful

962
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 4: is and this is some of the research that I

963
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 4: did when I was in my PhD studies was that

964
00:52:54,920 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 4: having people like mentors, teachers, literally anybody in your like

965
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 4: community that believes that you can do this and that

966
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 4: is willing to support, help inspire, encourage you in any

967
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 4: way is like the biggest predictor for Latino women specifically.

968
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 4: So I don't know, you know, there's obviously other research

969
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 4: with men. Men are I don't know if you know this,

970
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 4: I think you do, Like they're actually underrepresented, like black, black,

971
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 4: and Latino men are the most underrepresented. Yeah, and so

972
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 4: there's research that focuses on that population, right, which talks

973
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: a lot about mentors as well.

974
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: But so that's that's.

975
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 4: Already an issue because if you if eighty I think

976
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: the latest numbers is like eighty percent of the teaching

977
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 4: force is white women.

978
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: Like, how do we help all dangerous minds Michelle fiv.

979
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 4: How do you help them see the value of some

980
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 4: of these students within a classroom and the abilities that

981
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 4: the potential for them.

982
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 3: Right.

983
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 4: So, so anyway, so there's like research that shows like

984
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 4: if you literally never hear anyone telling you that you

985
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 4: can do this, it's sad, You're not gonna believe you

986
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 4: can do this, you know, And then and it changes

987
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: so much if you have at least with that one person.

988
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 4: And so from like a personal perspective, like I feel

989
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 4: like if you're a teacher or have that kind of

990
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 4: a like power, like like realizing and acknowledging that power

991
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 4: is so crucial because often they feel very powerless. It's

992
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 4: just not a highly valued profession in our in our world.

993
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 4: So one there's that. And then from the perspective of

994
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 4: like a program like a non GM like a you

995
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 4: know gym uh in geo and geo thank you coming

996
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 4: in to like working with this community. There's a lot

997
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 4: that shows that, you know, sometimes just having that gap

998
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 4: between what the university is offering in terms of internship,

999
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 4: in terms of like scholarships and like fund and and

1000
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 4: what your family can actually afford to give you, like

1001
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 4: filling in that gap of like financial targeted money, like

1002
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: for things that you don't even know you how to pay,

1003
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 4: like orientation, Oh I got to pay now to like

1004
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 4: get oriented in your college.

1005
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 2: Fan that I just paid too. I was like, what

1006
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: am I paying for them?

1007
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? There's all these little Yeah, I was.

1008
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 4: Become highly prohibitive for people who like don't come. That

1009
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 4: means basically like not paying half of their like groceries

1010
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 4: that week or something. You know, like these are real

1011
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 4: decisions being made.

1012
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: When when I tell you when they handed me to

1013
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: syllabus and was like, Okay, go buy this.

1014
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: You gotta go buy books. I was like, what, Like

1015
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 1: that's not inclan intuition. No, it's not what they.

1016
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: Like, I have to take this class and I gotta

1017
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: buy the book. Like I was like dumbfounded, like what

1018
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: are y'all talking about? And then they were like, I'm

1019
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: like honestly, honestly the first class first day when he

1020
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 3: was like, it's at the bookstore. There's also you could

1021
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: get a used coffee. There's also some off campus bookstores.

1022
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 3: You know, there's this since you can if you can

1023
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: find it here, you can find it. I was literally

1024
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 3: sitting in that class so confused. I was like what

1025
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: is he talking about? Like I didn't understand what they

1026
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 3: was saying. I was looking around at everybody being like

1027
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 3: and I had to surmise it. I'm telling you I'm already.

1028
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 3: I'm already, except I'm in the class and I'm putting

1029
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 3: it together like, oh I I gotta buy it.

1030
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: Dang, that's that. Are you trying to tell our students

1031
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:39,959
Speaker 1: ahead of time?

1032
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 2: That's all trying to say stuff like that.

1033
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: That they're gonna have to buy the books.

1034
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of costs that you don't

1035
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 4: think about, like transportation.

1036
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: I was, you're gonna get hungry, dude. I figured that

1037
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: stuff I figured out. I was like, I know this.

1038
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm an art major.

1039
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 3: I know, like I'm gonna have to buy the paint

1040
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: like I understood stuff like that. But I was like,

1041
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 3: but just the academic class, like I gotta buy them.

1042
00:56:59,160 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 2: I understood.

1043
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: I had to, especially when you come from public school

1044
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: where all the books.

1045
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 3: Are drawing on dis all drawn in the book.

1046
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm thinking kinds of graffitian.

1047
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm thinking that, like I'm about to know who had

1048
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 2: my book before me.

1049
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 4: Where you should have done has gone to a private school,

1050
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 4: then you would have known you've always had to pay

1051
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 4: for books.

1052
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: I was like, what is they?

1053
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Like, I like you unlocked

1054
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: a memory. I was honestly like, what is she talking about?

1055
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 4: Like yeah, So anyway, so there's like the financial stuff,

1056
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 4: then there's like the social emotional stuff, so like getting

1057
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 4: them just mentally ready for like the difference that it's

1058
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 4: going to be because a lot of our students come

1059
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 4: from under resourced schools too, and so they think this

1060
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 4: is the expectation that's going to happen at this college

1061
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 4: and it's not it's gonna there's gonna be a very

1062
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 4: like vast difference, and like how do you like properly study?

1063
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 4: How do you know, building up those skills is another thing,

1064
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 4: and then building up the like kind of emotional maturity

1065
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 4: of like how do you know you're just being homesick,

1066
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 4: Like it's not that you want to like quit everything.

1067
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 4: You just missed your mom, So go home, you know,

1068
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 4: like like reconnect and then come back refuel yourself to

1069
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 4: keep going.

1070
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: You're telling little homies this.

1071
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what we focus on.

1072
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 4: So we focus on like the social, emotional, the financial,

1073
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 4: and the academic.

1074
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 3: Dude, I like the last Terrorform episode we had was

1075
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: with Zekiah. I had expectations and I just kind of

1076
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: talked to me like, yeah, how my experience of like

1077
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: going from you know, my neighborhood of origin to this

1078
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 3: high school in the suburbs that was much more resourced,

1079
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: but feeling.

1080
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: Like, like I said, I know what I lost.

1081
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: What I lost was that black and brown community was

1082
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: a world around me that looked familiar. That like you said,

1083
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 3: that was like where I had that camaraderie, you know

1084
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1085
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: So I think in some senses.

1086
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 3: By the time I got to college, I was prepared

1087
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 3: to be a fish out of water, you know what

1088
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying, because my high school felt like a fish

1089
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 3: out of water, you know, and how to like just

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Speaker 3: shut up and figure out what I needed, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But what that taught me was.

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00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: I can't trust the institution, like because y'all don't understand me.

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00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 3: So like in my high school I had the first

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00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 3: time I saw our college counselor, our counselor at our

1096
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 3: school was at graduation. That's first time I saw her.

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00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: I was like, I never went to an office, I

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00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 3: never checked. I was like, you don't you don't understand me.

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00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: You don't know what I want? Like this not like

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00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 3: our own ownt We have different goals, you know what

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00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: And also to be kind of fairter than that, you know, counselors,

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00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 4: that's a whole other profession that is undervaluable.

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00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: It's very under I.

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Speaker 1: Have like three hundred students per one.

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Speaker 2: I believe it.

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Speaker 1: They have to, you know, it's so hard to really.

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00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: Get I believe it for sure. But like, yeah, I

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00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: say this not as a slight to her, yeahs to me.

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't I don't trust this place. Yeah,

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01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: you guys don't have my best interest in mine. There

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Speaker 3: were one or two teachers that I was connected with

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01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 3: forever shoutow, mister Jeffries, Miss Crone and mister Pilicky like

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Speaker 3: these people that you know. Miss ms Gutera is my

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Speaker 3: ap arts teacher, like who who came in and were

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01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 3: very specific about as as educators. Like yeah, okay, so

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01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 3: that was but that was the enterprise. I learned to

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01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 3: trust them. You feel me, But I felt like I was.

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01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: I was on my own.

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Speaker 2: So when I got to college, it kind of felt

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Speaker 2: the same way.

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Speaker 3: And then but like any people co to you, just

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Speaker 3: I immediately found the black people.

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Speaker 2: I was like, well, let me find the black people,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So once you find the black people, it was that

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Speaker 3: stopped the homesick thing for me.

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, you created your own family.

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Speaker 3: You create your own family. I'm like, y'all understand it.

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Speaker 3: And since we went to school in Orange County, a

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01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 3: lot of us were from la you know what I'm saying,

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01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 3: So like we had a lot of like home experiences

1133
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 3: that were very simil So we found each other la like.

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Speaker 2: Even even like I E.

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01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 3: SGV like, so we had an experience that was so

1136
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 3: similar to each other that we were just kicking in

1137
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 3: the quad. And and to me, that reminded me of

1138
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 3: high school also because that's what happened. I found the

1139
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 3: black people in high school, you said, and like and

1140
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 3: you you you created your own community. But this was again,

1141
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 3: this was us blindly to blind like, we know what

1142
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 3: the hell we was doing?

1143
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: You feel me?

1144
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's That's also something else that we

1145
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 4: often see with our student population is a lot of them,

1146
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 4: especially those going to predominantly white institutions, they end up joining.

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01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they end up joining like.

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01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 4: Affinity groups like that because it's what helps them feel like, oh, okay,

1149
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 4: I belong here, it's okay that you know school.

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't gonna join no, fred, I'll say you

1151
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: that I didn't know. I thought all that I need

1152
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: to wrap this up because I want to end with

1153
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: the keep on a book. But I thought all frats

1154
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 3: were like black black fraternities. So I didn't realize I

1155
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 3: didn't really like, like I said, my only unders standing

1156
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: was like school Days was like Spike Lee Movies was

1157
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: like a different world, you know what I'm saying, Like.

1158
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: Cosby, she didn't want to join win.

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01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: No, I wanted to join one of those. But when

1160
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 3: I went to the school, they was all so. I

1161
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 3: remember I walked up to one of the fraternities. I

1162
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 3: was like, Hey, tell me about y'all step team. That

1163
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 3: white boy looked at me like what. I was like,

1164
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 3: step Team? He was like, what are you talking about?

1165
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, did know?

1166
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 3: I was like I walked away like weirdo, you know.

1167
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 3: And then I'm teasing like some of the other black people.

1168
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 3: I was like, this fool's scatting on the step team

1169
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 3: was He was like, yeah, that's that's the community at homies.

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01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 2: He was like that's because they white. And I was

1171
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 2: like what.

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01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 3: He was like, you're talking to me, No, those are

1173
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 3: black fraternities. Those are only there's only a handful of

1174
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 3: black fraternities. And I was like I felt I was like, oh,

1175
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 3: every fraternity He like, oh, like my little Wakanda. I

1176
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 3: thought they was all.

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Speaker 4: For people that don't know what fraternities are, their gangs

1178
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,040
Speaker 4: and essentially.

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 3: And my dad, you know, his black panther self, was like,

1180
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 3: oh why I would celebrate Greek culture. He was like,

1181
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 3: black man got Greek letters on his chest. And I

1182
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: was like, all right, dad, I was like, what about

1183
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 3: black fraternities. I don't understand why black man would celebrate,

1184
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 3: you know.

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01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: Anyway, So he was like, don't eternity? All right? Now

1186
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: I'm looking back like, damn my hell, you know what

1187
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

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01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean there's like Latina for like sororities.

1189
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 4: Now some of my students are in those, and I

1190
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 4: think it's dope. I think it's dope that they find.

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01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: Oh I found all right, all right, I definitely found

1192
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 2: what it is. Boy.

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01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 3: Anyway, No, so let me end with the book king

1194
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 3: going on, because I feel like that's the most tangible

1195
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 3: thing at least for the listeners to pick up, yeah,

1196
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 3: and to be like, Okay, this is the good you're

1197
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 3: putting in the world.

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01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I think I often hear from folks who maybe

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01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 4: are not Latinas themselves, but that like are mentoring folks

1201
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 4: that are or just kind of no folks are. I've

1202
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 4: had some folks reach out and be like, dude, it

1203
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 4: was so cool to like give this to my Latina student,

1204
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 4: because you know, I'm black and I don't really like

1205
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 4: we obviously she like found me, but like I, you know,

1206
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 4: we don't share that cultural kind of Yeah, so it's

1207
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 4: it's really cool. But yeah, so Chinona owning your inner

1208
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 4: vedask for healing injustice. It's it's it's a memoir and

1209
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 4: it's also a bit of visionary kind of fiction on

1210
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 4: what the world could look like if we healed, Like

1211
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 4: if you know, I started out by saying that to me,

1212
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 4: a lot of the work in changing the world starts

1213
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 4: in the very like personal. I definitely come from a

1214
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 4: school of like just the personal as political. If you change,

1215
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 4: you know, you create change, and that change gets you know,

1216
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 4: kind of multiplied across your you know, lifetime and and

1217
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 4: on to other people. And I feel like that's the

1218
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 4: way that I've been able to affect change. And so

1219
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,959
Speaker 4: this book kind of chronicles lot of like my own

1220
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 4: journey into this way of thinking. And then also, you know,

1221
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 4: it's it's not a how to book, Like I was

1222
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 4: very intentional and like not wanting to write a book on.

1223
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: Like, oh, here's how you like succeed and do the things.

1224
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 4: It's more of like journeying with you you know, like

1225
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 4: how you know this is how I this was my journey.

1226
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 4: What are some things that in your own journey that

1227
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 4: you could be thinking about? So I do have some

1228
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 4: questions in there. Honestly there were questions that I was

1229
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 4: just asking myself as I was writing this, but that

1230
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 4: I feel like have been really helpful for folks. Yeah,

1231
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 4: and then also just a lot on mental health because I,

1232
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 4: you know, I'm someone who struggles with anxiety and depression

1233
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 4: and so it's something that has always been, you know,

1234
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 4: a way that I've had to like learn how to

1235
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 4: cope and heal and yeah, you know, just all of that.

1236
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: So it's it's.

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01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 4: Something that's very personal but also tries to to create

1238
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 4: like this way of thinking about jingoonas as this universal

1239
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 4: concept of like how do how do you become you know,

1240
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 4: who you want to be despite these labels that get

1241
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 4: placed on you, Like how do you still like you know,

1242
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 4: use them for your advantage, reclaim them and then kind

1243
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 4: of fulfill your own kind of goals?

1244
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Speaker 2: Beautiful?

1245
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: Yep?

1246
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: How can people follow your work? You are?

1247
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 3: You're the most anti social media person? Yes, so like,

1248
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 3: don't take a personal response to you.

1249
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 4: I actually respond to all messages that are not marketing,

1250
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 4: not marketing or trying to make me sell some kind

1251
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 4: of like something normal.

1252
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: TOI level marketing.

1253
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 4: But if it's like you know, messages about like the

1254
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 4: book or just like about wanting to meet I actually are.

1255
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised. Not a lot of people get to

1256
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: that level.

1257
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 4: I think some people feel more comfortable just liking somebody's

1258
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 4: picture than actually sending a message. So I don't actually

1259
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 4: get a lot of messages. Or maybe it's because I

1260
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 4: just don't be on social media, like on social media

1261
01:06:59,120 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 4: like that.

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01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get into, you get in to send us,

1263
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 3: send us reels like just listen to her on there anyway,

1264
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: So can you drop that ad mentioned then?

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01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's at the doc ZP th h E

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01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: d O c ZP.

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01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 2: Thank you for doing this.

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01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me. Fun to finally be on

1269
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 4: your very fancy show.

1270
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: You dumped me, but the podcast dump But.

1271
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 4: Look at you went on and you have a better relationship,

1272
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 4: you grew as a person.

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Speaker 3: Oh lord, all right, I'm hitting stop now. Thank you

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01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 3: very much, y'all. We'll be back next week, as you know.

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Speaker 3: All right, now, don't you hit stop on this pod.

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01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 3: You better listen to these credits. I need you to

1277
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 3: finish this thing so I can get the download numbers.

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so don't stop it yet, but listen.

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Speaker 3: Politics is a member of cool Zone Media, Executive produced

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Speaker 3: theme music and scoring is also by the one and

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Speaker 3: overly Matthouselowski. Still killing the beats softly, So listen, don't

1296
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 3: let nobody lie to you. If you understand urban living,

1297
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 3: you understand politics. These people is not smarter than you.

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Speaker 3: We'll see y'all next week.